From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sat Apr  1 04:48:30 2006
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:48:30 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet Release
References: <OFBB170E33.11EFCD5C-ON80257142.0037E1DA-80257142.00384B13@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <027001c6553f$24e33b10$aa737cca@computername>

See attachment. I have used a longer screw for one of the fixings, and added a spacer so 
that the front and back pieces are held correctly. This stops the front cover falling off 
and getting broken.

If the cable is stiff, it will only get stiffer, so now is as good a time as any to 
replace it. (The outer plastic of the cable usually gets damaged, and the metal outer part 
rusts, and pushes on the inner).

In the short term, you should be able to pull the lever while holding the cover in place. 
As others have suggested, getting someone to push down on the bonnet while you pull the 
lever will help.

If the cable does break, there's a picture somewhere on the 928uk website showing how to 
open the bonnet from under the front.

Smiffy

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From: <clusted at rockwellcollins.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:14 PM
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet Release


> Just tried to open my bonnet and the release lever has forced the lower
> covering plate off and has come off of the spindle. I have re-attached it
> but when I try and operate it the lever comes off of the spindle. I am
> concerned about breaking the spindle, the last time the bonnet was opened
> was about three weeks ago. The lever has always been stiff but not a
> problem.
> Any suggestions as to how I get into the bonnet (and fix the lever) would
> be gratefully received.
> Regards
> Clive
> '88 S4 Auto
>
>
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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sat Apr  1 09:41:25 2006
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:41:25 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!
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Message-ID: <005b01c65568$0ff322f0$1530a8c0@george>

Untitled DocumentHi Josh,

But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I defrost.

And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?

And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joshua Breckeen 
  To: 928uk Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
  Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  Miles, 

  Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water, and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.

  Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should be fine.

  Hope that helps . . .

  Joshua Breckeen
  Whitwell, Herts

  91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic



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  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
  Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
  To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
  Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  Ok now I am stuck.

  I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.

  All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.

  What does everyone else do at service time?
  Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
  Cheers, 
           Miles. 

  '88 S4 Auto



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    From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
    Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
    To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
    Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!

    All the best,
    George.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jon Holdsworth 
      To: Davis, Miles ; 928UK 
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
      Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


      Miles

      Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry (too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum - thats distilled water.

      DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was "glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the shocks and control arms.

      Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.

      Jon in NZ

      You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers (NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK 
        -----Original Message-----
        From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
        Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
        To: 928UK
        Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


        Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to (if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
          Cheers, 
                   Miles. 





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            From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of george.parker183
            Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
            To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
            Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


            Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?

            All the best,
            George.
              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: Nadeem Arshad 
              To: george.parker183 ; Mike Williams ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk' 
              Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
              Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


               
              Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please). Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling system for DB9.

               

              Thanks again,


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From sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 09:44:50 2006
From: sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk (Nick)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:44:50 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!
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	<005b01c65568$0ff322f0$1530a8c0@george>
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Untitled DocumentDehumidifier in the car ?!.. what a brilliant idea George Funny how one never thinks of the obvious isn't it.
nick J 
79auto
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: george.parker183 
  To: Joshua Breckeen ; 928uk Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 9:41 AM
  Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  Hi Josh,
   
  But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I defrost.
   
  And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?
   
  And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.
   
  All the best,
  George.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joshua Breckeen 
    To: 928uk Mailing List 
    Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
    Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Miles, 
     
    Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water, and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.
     
    Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should be fine.
     
    Hope that helps . . .
     
    Joshua Breckeen
    Whitwell, Herts
     
    91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic



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    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
    Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
    To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
    Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Ok now I am stuck.
     
    I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.
     
    All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.
     
    What does everyone else do at service time?
    Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
    Cheers, 
             Miles. 

    '88 S4 Auto



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      From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
      Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
      To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
      Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


      Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!

      All the best,
      George.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Jon Holdsworth 
        To: Davis, Miles ; 928UK 
        Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
        Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


        Miles
         
        Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry (too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum - thats distilled water.
         
        DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was "glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the shocks and control arms.
         
        Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.
         
        Jon in NZ
         
        You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers (NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK 
          -----Original Message-----
          From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
          Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
          To: 928UK
          Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


          Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to (if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
            Cheers, 
                     Miles. 

             



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              From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of george.parker183
              Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
              To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
              Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


              Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?
               
              All the best,
              George.
                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Nadeem Arshad 
                To: george.parker183 ; Mike Williams ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk' 
                Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
                Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


                 
                Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please). Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling system for DB9.

                 

                Thanks again,


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From email at jbreckeen.org  Sat Apr  1 10:31:17 2006
From: email at jbreckeen.org (Joshua Breckeen)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:31:17 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!
In-Reply-To: <005b01c65568$0ff322f0$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <005b01c6556f$073f5640$0500a8c0@dell530>

Melted ice has the same mineral/impurity content as the water it contains.
A Brita does do a pretty good job at removing alot of the junk.  Not that I
drink much hot tea, but when you use filtered water in your kettle, you will
have much less lime-scale.
 
"but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car
sitting on the drive this week."
 
When my GT was parked up for 1.5 months, I went to Jepson's a bought 4 large
Silica packs, and placed them several places around the interior: one behind
the Central Electrics panel, one in the glove compartment, one behind the
tool panel, and the last just sitting on the tunnel.  I have now left the
one in the foot well in permanently - couldn't hurt.
 
 
Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts
 
91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic
 

 
  _____  

From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
Sent: 01 April 2006 09:41
To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List
Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!


Hi Josh,
 
But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I
defrost.
 
And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main
offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?
 
And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed
water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.
 
All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joshua  <mailto:email at jbreckeen.org> Breckeen 
To: 928uk Mailing List <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!

Miles, 
 
Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water,
and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school
project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.
 
Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant
system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should
be fine.
 
Hope that helps . . .
 

Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts
 
91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic

  _____  

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Davis, Miles
Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


Ok now I am stuck.
 
I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled
water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.
 
All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.
 
What does everyone else do at service time?
Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
Cheers, 
         Miles. 
'88 S4 Auto

  _____  

From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for
rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that
has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!
 
All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jon Holdsworth <mailto:jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>  
To: Davis, Miles <mailto:MDavis at ndsuk.com>  ; 928UK
<mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!

Miles
 
Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry
(too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is
distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum -
thats distilled water.
 
DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain
types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In
fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up
in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was
"glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the
shocks and control arms.
 
Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.
 
Jon in NZ
 
You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers
(NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK 
-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Davis, Miles
Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
To: 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it
would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at
least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to
(if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
Cheers, 
         Miles. 
 


  _____  

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of george.parker183
Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?
 
All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Nadeem Arshad <mailto:roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk>  
To: george.parker183 <mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>  ; Mike
<mailto:willsco at gmail.com> Williams ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk'
<mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


 
Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our
water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please).
Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when
investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling
system for DB9.
 
Thanks again,

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From brendan.buchanan at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  1 10:40:36 2006
From: brendan.buchanan at ntlworld.com (Brendan Buchanan)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:40:36 +0100
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6A257924-93DD-4CEC-B4D7-A9E0966D9C52@ntlworld.com>

Hi Guys

Thinkin' of taking my 928 S4 for a trip for a weekend to south Wales.  
How much will it cost in fule and how many stops to refill?

The model is a 928 S$ SE 88' 5.0

Going a 11am

Brendan


From dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 11:26:14 2006
From: dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk (Dave Hamilton)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:26:14 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!
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But the ice that forms on the pipework and shelving in the freezer should 
have formed from water vapour and will be mineral free. The idea is to 
collect the meltings and hack off bits of ice as you defrost your freezer.

Dave

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From: "Joshua Breckeen" <email at jbreckeen.org>
To: "928uk Mailing List" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant 
again!


Melted ice has the same mineral/impurity content as the water it contains.
A Brita does do a pretty good job at removing alot of the junk.  Not that I
drink much hot tea, but when you use filtered water in your kettle, you will
have much less lime-scale.

"but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car
sitting on the drive this week."

When my GT was parked up for 1.5 months, I went to Jepson's a bought 4 large
Silica packs, and placed them several places around the interior: one behind
the Central Electrics panel, one in the glove compartment, one behind the
tool panel, and the last just sitting on the tunnel.  I have now left the
one in the foot well in permanently - couldn't hurt.


Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts

91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic



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From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com]
Sent: 01 April 2006 09:41
To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List
Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!


Hi Josh,

But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I
defrost.

And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main
offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?

And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed
water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.

All the best,
George.
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From: Joshua  <mailto:email at jbreckeen.org> Breckeen
To: 928uk Mailing List <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!

Miles,

Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water,
and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school
project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.

Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant
system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should
be fine.

Hope that helps . . .


Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts

91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Davis, Miles
Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


Ok now I am stuck.

I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled
water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.

All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.

What does everyone else do at service time?
Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
Cheers,
         Miles.
'88 S4 Auto

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From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com]
Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for
rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that
has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!

All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jon Holdsworth <mailto:jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>
To: Davis, Miles <mailto:MDavis at ndsuk.com>  ; 928UK
<mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!

Miles

Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry
(too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is
distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum -
thats distilled water.

DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain
types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In
fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up
in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was
"glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the
shocks and control arms.

Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.

Jon in NZ

You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers
(NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK
-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Davis, Miles
Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
To: 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it
would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at
least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to
(if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
Cheers,
         Miles.



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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of george.parker183
Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?

All the best,
George.
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To: george.parker183 <mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>  ; Mike
<mailto:willsco at gmail.com> Williams ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk'
<mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!



Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our
water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please).
Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when
investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling
system for DB9.

Thanks again,

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From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  1 11:37:35 2006
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:37:35 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928'S Spotted
Message-ID: <BAY101-F5E402B40AF0B3E91FBAA7FAD70@phx.gbl>

Guys


Have spotted a few 928's latley, blue S4 on M11 in the 40mph road works 
yesterday eve and a gray S4 in harlow in the mornings sometimes.


Stuart




From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sat Apr  1 11:46:37 2006
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:46:37 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!
References: <006f01c654f7$d2b413b0$0500a8c0@dell530>
	<005b01c65568$0ff322f0$1530a8c0@george>
	<008301c65568$8a091a90$0400a8c0@nicksn41g>
Message-ID: <007d01c65579$8d5e2940$1530a8c0@george>

Untitled DocumentHi Nick,

 

It was a matter of survival in my case. My sloping drive makes all the water that condenses on my back window drip straight down onto the carpets and back seats - despite my having a waterproof cover.

 

My domestic dehumidifier was ?150 from B&Q and it's been running non-stop for five years, just like my fridge. They both work the same way.

 

 

 91 GT.

 

Independent Porsche Specialists: 

Jon Mitchell, BOURNEMOUTH.  01202 462951. Email: jon at 9xx.co.uk 

Tom Ferguson. NEWCASTLE on Tyne:  0191 226 0855.

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick 
  To: george.parker183 ; Joshua Breckeen ; 928uk Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 9:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  Dehumidifier in the car ?!.. what a brilliant idea George Funny how one never thinks of the obvious isn't it.
  nick J 
  79auto
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: george.parker183 
    To: Joshua Breckeen ; 928uk Mailing List 
    Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 9:41 AM
    Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Hi Josh,

    But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I defrost.

    And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?

    And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.

    All the best,
    George.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Joshua Breckeen 
      To: 928uk Mailing List 
      Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
      Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


      Miles, 

      Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water, and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.

      Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should be fine.

      Hope that helps . . .

      Joshua Breckeen
      Whitwell, Herts

      91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic



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      From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
      Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
      To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
      Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


      Ok now I am stuck.

      I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.

      All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.

      What does everyone else do at service time?
      Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
      Cheers, 
               Miles. 

      '88 S4 Auto



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        From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
        Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
        To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
        Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


        Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!

        All the best,
        George.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Jon Holdsworth 
          To: Davis, Miles ; 928UK 
          Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
          Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


          Miles

          Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry (too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum - thats distilled water.

          DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was "glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the shocks and control arms.

          Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.

          Jon in NZ

          You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers (NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK 
            -----Original Message-----
            From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
            Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
            To: 928UK
            Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


            Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to (if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
              Cheers, 
                       Miles. 





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                From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of george.parker183
                Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
                To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
                Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


                Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?

                All the best,
                George.
                  ----- Original Message ----- 
                  From: Nadeem Arshad 
                  To: george.parker183 ; Mike Williams ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk' 
                  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
                  Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


                   
                  Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please). Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling system for DB9.

                   

                  Thanks again,


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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sat Apr  1 11:49:43 2006
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:49:43 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!
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Untitled DocumentHi Josh,

Ice in the fridge produces distilled water. It takes the moisture out of the air.

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joshua Breckeen 
  To: 928uk Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:31 AM
  Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  Melted ice has the same mineral/impurity content as the water it contains.  A Brita does do a pretty good job at removing alot of the junk.  Not that I drink much hot tea, but when you use filtered water in your kettle, you will have much less lime-scale.

  "but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car sitting on the drive this week."

  When my GT was parked up for 1.5 months, I went to Jepson's a bought 4 large Silica packs, and placed them several places around the interior: one behind the Central Electrics panel, one in the glove compartment, one behind the tool panel, and the last just sitting on the tunnel.  I have now left the one in the foot well in permanently - couldn't hurt.


  Joshua Breckeen
  Whitwell, Herts

  91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic


   

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  From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
  Sent: 01 April 2006 09:41
  To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List
  Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  Hi Josh,

  But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I defrost.

  And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?

  And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.

  All the best,
  George.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joshua Breckeen 
    To: 928uk Mailing List 
    Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
    Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Miles, 

    Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water, and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.

    Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should be fine.

    Hope that helps . . .

    Joshua Breckeen
    Whitwell, Herts

    91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic



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    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
    Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
    To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
    Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Ok now I am stuck.

    I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.

    All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.

    What does everyone else do at service time?
    Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
    Cheers, 
             Miles. 

    '88 S4 Auto



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      From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
      Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
      To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
      Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


      Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!

      All the best,
      George.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Jon Holdsworth 
        To: Davis, Miles ; 928UK 
        Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
        Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


        Miles

        Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry (too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum - thats distilled water.

        DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was "glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the shocks and control arms.

        Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.

        Jon in NZ

        You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers (NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK 
          -----Original Message-----
          From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
          Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
          To: 928UK
          Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


          Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to (if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
            Cheers, 
                     Miles. 





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              Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
              To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
              Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


              Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?

              All the best,
              George.
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                To: george.parker183 ; Mike Williams ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk' 
                Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
                Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


                 
                Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please). Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling system for DB9.

                 

                Thanks again,


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From ppconway at mac.com  Sat Apr  1 12:56:38 2006
From: ppconway at mac.com (Paul Conway)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:56:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4
Message-ID: <0BAA8557-C8A4-4B96-83B2-F9DAFE67339A@mac.com>

My owners maintenance/care manual states DOT4 for the breaking/PSD  
system.

The cap on the reservoir, though all in german, does clearly state DOT3

Is there much of a difference and which should I use?


From gweitz at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 13:02:54 2006
From: gweitz at tiscali.co.uk (George A. Weitz)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:02:54 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!
In-Reply-To: <009001c65579$fc2d7880$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <003b01c65584$35959f80$58186e58@pcb12631bdaf50>

It seems more convenient to use dehumidifier water as it is already in
liquid form and and can be collected with less chance of debris getting
stuck in it.
 
We've used dehumidifier water exclusively since the engine was rebuilt and
it didn't take that long to collect too much! Could put a label on it
"special 928 Water" a snip for any OPC at ?10 a go.....
Cheers
George

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of george.parker183
Sent: 01 April 2006 11:50
To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List
Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!


Hi Josh,
 
Ice in the fridge produces distilled water. It takes the moisture out of the
air.
 
All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joshua  <mailto:email at jbreckeen.org> Breckeen 
To: 928uk Mailing List <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!

Melted ice has the same mineral/impurity content as the water it contains.
A Brita does do a pretty good job at removing alot of the junk.  Not that I
drink much hot tea, but when you use filtered water in your kettle, you will
have much less lime-scale.
 
"but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car
sitting on the drive this week."
 
When my GT was parked up for 1.5 months, I went to Jepson's a bought 4 large
Silica packs, and placed them several places around the interior: one behind
the Central Electrics panel, one in the glove compartment, one behind the
tool panel, and the last just sitting on the tunnel.  I have now left the
one in the foot well in permanently - couldn't hurt.
 
 

Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts
 
91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic
 

 
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From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
Sent: 01 April 2006 09:41
To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List
Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!


Hi Josh,
 
But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I
defrost.
 
And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main
offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?
 
And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed
water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.
 
All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joshua  <mailto:email at jbreckeen.org> Breckeen 
To: 928uk Mailing List <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant
again!

Miles, 
 
Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water,
and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school
project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.
 
Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant
system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should
be fine.
 
Hope that helps . . .
 

Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts
 
91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Davis, Miles
Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


Ok now I am stuck.
 
I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled
water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.
 
All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.
 
What does everyone else do at service time?
Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
Cheers, 
         Miles. 
'88 S4 Auto

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From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for
rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that
has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!
 
All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jon Holdsworth <mailto:jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>  
To: Davis, Miles <mailto:MDavis at ndsuk.com>  ; 928UK
<mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!

Miles
 
Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry
(too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is
distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum -
thats distilled water.
 
DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain
types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In
fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up
in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was
"glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the
shocks and control arms.
 
Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.
 
Jon in NZ
 
You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers
(NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK 
-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Davis, Miles
Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
To: 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it
would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at
least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to
(if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
Cheers, 
         Miles. 
 


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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of george.parker183
Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?
 
All the best,
George.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Nadeem Arshad <mailto:roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk>  
To: george.parker183 <mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>  ; Mike
Williams <mailto:willsco at gmail.com>  ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk'
<mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


 
Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our
water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please).
Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when
investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling
system for DB9.
 
Thanks again,

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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sat Apr  1 13:09:08 2006
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:09:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4
References: <0BAA8557-C8A4-4B96-83B2-F9DAFE67339A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000901c65585$148e01a0$1530a8c0@george>

Hi Paul,

Click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_4

It looks as if we should be using DOT 5.1, because it doesn't collect water, which is what ruined my PSD pump, but wait and see what Smiffy says. He's the expert.

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Conway 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:56 PM
  Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4


  My owners maintenance/care manual states DOT4 for the breaking/PSD  
  system.

  The cap on the reservoir, though all in german, does clearly state DOT3

  Is there much of a difference and which should I use?
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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sat Apr  1 13:13:24 2006
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:13:24 +0100
Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?..and now RAIN-WATER. RE:
	[928uk] Coolant again!
References: <003b01c65584$35959f80$58186e58@pcb12631bdaf50>
Message-ID: <001601c65585$ae5141d0$1530a8c0@george>

Untitled DocumentHi George,

Very true, if you've got a dehumidifier, or an Air-conditioner unit. I've got both.

But for low-tech guys the good news is that you can use Rain-water too. I've just done a test. It leaves no deposit at all.

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George A. Weitz 
  To: 'george.parker183' ; 'Joshua Breckeen' ; '928uk Mailing List' 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:02 PM
  Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  It seems more convenient to use dehumidifier water as it is already in liquid form and and can be collected with less chance of debris getting stuck in it.

  We've used dehumidifier water exclusively since the engine was rebuilt and it didn't take that long to collect too much! Could put a label on it "special 928 Water" a snip for any OPC at ?10 a go.....
  Cheers
  George



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  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of george.parker183
  Sent: 01 April 2006 11:50
  To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List
  Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


  Hi Josh,

  Ice in the fridge produces distilled water. It takes the moisture out of the air.

  All the best,
  George.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joshua Breckeen 
    To: 928uk Mailing List 
    Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:31 AM
    Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Melted ice has the same mineral/impurity content as the water it contains.  A Brita does do a pretty good job at removing alot of the junk.  Not that I drink much hot tea, but when you use filtered water in your kettle, you will have much less lime-scale.

    "but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car sitting on the drive this week."

    When my GT was parked up for 1.5 months, I went to Jepson's a bought 4 large Silica packs, and placed them several places around the interior: one behind the Central Electrics panel, one in the glove compartment, one behind the tool panel, and the last just sitting on the tunnel.  I have now left the one in the foot well in permanently - couldn't hurt.


    Joshua Breckeen
    Whitwell, Herts

    91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic


     

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    From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
    Sent: 01 April 2006 09:41
    To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List
    Subject: Re: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


    Hi Josh,

    But melted ice from the fridge is free isn't it? I get 6pts every time I defrost.

    And filters don't remove all the limescale do they, which is the main offender in clogging up rads, isn't it?

    And not to worry anybody but my de-humidifier collected 3 pts of condensed water out of my car sitting on the drive this week.

    All the best,
    George.
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      From: Joshua Breckeen 
      To: 928uk Mailing List 
      Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:17 PM
      Subject: RE: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


      Miles, 

      Buy a Brita water filter.  It removes most of the minerals from tap water, and is pretty darn good enough.  Yes, you could build some sort of school project-like water vapour - condenser setup, but it is not THAT important.

      Depending on where you live, the mineral content could harm your coolant system (still very unlikely), but with a domestic water filter, you should be fine.

      Hope that helps . . .

      Joshua Breckeen
      Whitwell, Herts

      91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic



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      From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
      Sent: 31 March 2006 14:12
      To: george.parker183; Jon Holdsworth; 928UK
      Subject: Help - what do I mix with my coolant?.. RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


      Ok now I am stuck.

      I cannot find anywhere selling anything other than medical grade distilled water (?30 for 5 litres) in the UK.

      All the auto factors only seem to have de-ionised water.

      What does everyone else do at service time?
      Has anyone managed to buy distilled water recently?
      Cheers, 
               Miles. 

      '88 S4 Auto



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        From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com] 
        Sent: 24 March 2006 10:56
        To: Jon Holdsworth; Davis, Miles; 928UK
        Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


        Wow. Didn't know that it dissolved corrosion. Wouldn't that make it good for rads? My Google search on deionization was useless. It just said water that has had its mineralised ions removed .. Duh!

        All the best,
        George.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Jon Holdsworth 
          To: Davis, Miles ; 928UK 
          Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:36 AM
          Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


          Miles

          Do not use de-ionised water in your cooling system. I forget the chemistry (too old) behind what makes DI water but what you want for your coolant is distilled water - condense the steam from your kettle or from your de-hum - thats distilled water.

          DI water by it's name has no Ions it is very good at dissolving certain types of metallic corrosion because it is trying to get those Ions back. In fact it's very good at dissolving corrosion - I used it (having heated it up in a glass jug in the microwave) to  dissolve the corrosion that was "glueing" the steel pins that hold the alumium rear hub carrier to the shocks and control arms.

          Do not use de-ionised in your coolant.

          Jon in NZ

          You'ld be amazed at the chemicals you can by off the shelf at Placemakers (NZ equivalent of B&Q) that you probably need a licence to buy in the UK 
            -----Original Message-----
            From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Davis, Miles
            Sent: 24 March 2006 19:57
            To: 928UK
            Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


            Speaking of which I tried to by some for a coolant swap yesterday, and it would seem that distilled water is no longer called distilled water or at least you can't buy it with that name on the bottle. It is now referred to (if it is the same stuff) as de-ionised water! Now what is that all about?
              Cheers, 
                       Miles. 





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                From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of george.parker183
                Sent: 23 March 2006 17:34
                To: Nadeem Arshad; Mike Williams; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; '928uk'
                Subject: Re: [928uk] Coolant again!


                Mmmm. Still prefer distilled. Why settle for less than the best?

                All the best,
                George.
                  ----- Original Message ----- 
                  From: Nadeem Arshad 
                  To: george.parker183 ; Mike Williams ; swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk ; '928uk' 
                  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:28 PM
                  Subject: RE: [928uk] Coolant again!


                   
                  Thanks George, luckily enough I live in the Birmingham area, we steal our water from the welsh and we pay less than them (no yellow jokes please). Their water is quite low in terms of hardness. I looked into this when investigating water hardness level in the Gaydon area when designing cooling system for DB9.

                   

                  Thanks again,


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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Sat Apr  1 13:57:27 2006
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:57:27 +1200
Subject: [928uk] cambelt
In-Reply-To: <001e01c65504$e25e0340$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIEPEDGAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

All the bits the belt goes around but specifically the water pump and idle
rollers at the tensioner. But you can't really keep an eye on them as to
just look involves almost as much work as changing the belt anyway, Thus you
probably change the pump at the belt change and make sure there is no play
in any of the cam belt rollers etc.

I would hazard a guess that failure of the ancillary components is most
often attributable to an overtensioned belt. or a tensioner that is not
fillled with oil.

Jon .




 -----Original Message-----
From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com]
Sent: 01 April 2006 08:51
To: Jon Holdsworth; marton at hasenberg.ch; Nick Carrington; marton;
928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] cambelt


  Very true but .. what should we be keeping an eye on then in that case?
Shouldn't it be the water pump?

  So what are the signs of the water pump going wrong and what are the
causes?

  All the best,
  George.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jon Holdsworth
    To: george.parker183 ; marton at hasenberg.ch ; Nick Carrington ; marton ;
928uk at 928.org.uk
    Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:08 PM
    Subject: RE: Re: [928uk] cambelt


    Apart from the fact that you are flying in the face of accepted 928
wisdom I have to say I agree with you.

    Specifically the belt alone should be fine for it's stated service
interval subject to the rest of the cambelt system being in 100% working
order. I don't think I have heard of a belt that failed by itself without
there being some contributory cause - normally worn and misaligned tensioner
or water pump bearings fail causes belt to run untrue causing it to wear
against things it shouldn't touch or or cam sprockets wear away the hardkote
anodising, the teeth then get sharp and start slowly shaving bits off the
teeth on the belt.. IIRC Paul UKkids belt was still working fine until it
wore down to about half it's normal width whereupon it unsurpisingly let go.

    The problem with the cambelt is that failure takes so much other
expensive stuff with it. A bit like failure of the seals in the brake master
cylinder. the fix for the seals is cheap - the fix for the bodywork after
you crashed with no brakes isn't.

    And don't forget that T belts don't need lubrication - so all those oil
leaks from the cam housing front seal also result in T Belt failure.

    Jon in NZ

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    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of george.parker183
    Sent: 01 April 2006 07:41
    To: marton at hasenberg.ch; Nick Carrington; marton; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] cambelt


      OK, but I'm surprised to find that nobody knows anybody who has had a
cambelt fail from normal use.

      And if 928 owners want to play safe then what should they realize is
the weakest part of their car that they should get sorted as soon as
possible?

      It's not the cambelt.

      All the best,
      George.
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: marton hasenberg
        To: Nick Carrington ; george.parker183 ; marton ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
        Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:33 PM
        Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] cambelt


        also that irish guy who rebuilt his engine in a cow shed

        Marton


        >-- Original Message --
        >From: Nick Carrington <nick.carrington at ntlworld.com>
        >To: "george.parker183" <george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>,"marton"
<marton at befree.ch>,<928uk at 928.org.uk>
        >Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] cambelt
        >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:47:17 +0000
        >
        >
        >Ask Paul (ukkid) - he had to rebuild his engine after a cambelt
failure.
        >Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean you should
ignore the
        >accumulated wisdom of hundreds of 928 owners over 10s of years.
        >
        >Regards
        >
        >Nick C.
        >>
        >> From: "george.parker183" <george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>
        >> Date: 2006/03/31 Fri AM 10:37:25 GMT
        >> To: "marton" <marton at befree.ch>,  <928uk at 928.org.uk>
        >> Subject: Re: [928uk] cambelt
        >>
        >> True but, rest assured that the 928 cambelt is more than man
enough for
        >the job. Has anybody ever known one to fail from normal use. They
only fail
        >when damaged by an accident.
        >>
        >> All the best,
        >> George.
        >>   ----- Original Message -----
        >>   From: marton
        >>   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
        >>   Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:42 PM
        >>   Subject: [928uk] cambelt
        >>
        >>
        >>   The timing belt in my wife's 16v Lupo failed on Jan 13th about
2000Km
        >before
        >>
        >>   the recommended change point & 1 week before the planned
service.
        >>
        >>   It is an interference engine, cost a bloody fortune.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>   Marton
        >>
        >>   >
        >>
        >>   >>-- Original Message --
        >>
        >>   >>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:03:20 +0000
        >>
        >>   >>From: Phil <phil at stairbridge.org.uk>
        >>
        >>   >>To: Paul R Smith <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
        >>
        >>   >>Subject: Re: [928uk] GTS has been in storage - is it OK?
        >>
        >>   >>Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>That's what mine says too, but popular opinion (ha - when is
that
        ever
        >>
        >>   >>right) suggests reducing interval. 4 yrs/48k miles seems like
a sensible
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>period.
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>Having had a cambelt go on a Vauxhall 100 miles before it was
due
        to
        >be
        >>
        >>   >
        >>
        >>   >>replaced I'm wary of manufacturers recommended intervals.
Fortunately
        >>
        >>   >>the 2.0i Vauxhall engine is non-interference, ?45 for a new
belt
        >>
        >>   >>including fitting. However it went in the middle of the M25
roadworks
        >>
        >>   >>section and we were stationary in a single lane with cars
squeezing
        >past
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>at silly speeds (middle of the night so not enough traffic to
slow
        >>
        >>   >>people down) before emergency truck dragged us off to the
hard shoulder.
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>Another hour waiting for RAC recovery - by which time battery
was
        flat
        >-
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>sitting on the embankment with 3 young kids. Not an
experience I want
        >to
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>repeat.
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>   >>Phil
        >>
        >>   >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
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From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  1 14:55:26 2006
From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:55:26 +0100
Subject: [928uk] cambelt
In-Reply-To: <006201c654fa$4e38f2b0$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <004d01c65593$edc5e240$ad00a8c0@T9100>

I don't know. That's why I said "ask Paul" :)
?
Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: george.parker183 [mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com]
Sent: 31 March 2006 20:36
To: Nick Carrington; marton; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] cambelt


Hi Nick,
?
But you haven't said what caused it to fail?
?
All the best,
George.

----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:nick.carrington at ntlworld.com"Nick Carrington
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com"george.parker183 ;
HYPERLINK "mailto:marton at befree.ch"marton ; HYPERLINK
"mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] cambelt

Ask Paul (ukkid) - he had to rebuild his engine after a cambelt failure.
Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean you should ignore the
accumulated wisdom of hundreds of 928 owners over 10s of years.

Regards

Nick C.
>
> From: "george.parker183" < HYPERLINK
"mailto:george.parker183 at btopenworld.com"george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>
> Date: 2006/03/31 Fri AM 10:37:25 GMT
> To: "marton" < HYPERLINK "mailto:marton at befree.ch"marton at befree.ch>,? <
HYPERLINK "mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [928uk] cambelt
>
> True but, rest assured that the 928 cambelt is more than man enough for
the job. Has anybody ever known one to fail from normal use. They only fail
when damaged by an accident.
>
> All the best,
> George.
>?? ----- Original Message -----
>?? From: marton
>?? To: HYPERLINK "mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk
>?? Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:42 PM
>?? Subject: [928uk] cambelt
>
>
>?? The timing belt in my wife's 16v Lupo failed on Jan 13th about 2000Km
before
>
>?? the recommended change point & 1 week before the planned service.
>
>?? It is an interference engine, cost a bloody fortune.
>
>???
>
>?? Marton
>
>?? >
>
>?? >>-- Original Message --
>
>?? >>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:03:20 +0000
>
>?? >>From: Phil < HYPERLINK
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>
>?? >>To: Paul R Smith < HYPERLINK
"mailto:smiffypr at snap.net.nz"smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>
>?? >>Subject: Re: [928uk] GTS has been in storage - is it OK?
>
>?? >>Cc: HYPERLINK "mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>That's what mine says too, but popular opinion (ha - when is that ever
>
>?? >>right) suggests reducing interval. 4 yrs/48k miles seems like a
sensible
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>period.
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>Having had a cambelt go on a Vauxhall 100 miles before it was due to
be
>
>?? >
>
>?? >>replaced I'm wary of manufacturers recommended intervals. Fortunately
>
>?? >>the 2.0i Vauxhall engine is non-interference, ?45 for a new belt
>
>?? >>including fitting. However it went in the middle of the M25 roadworks
>
>?? >>section and we were stationary in a single lane with cars squeezing
past
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>at silly speeds (middle of the night so not enough traffic to slow
>
>?? >>people down) before emergency truck dragged us off to the hard
shoulder.
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>Another hour waiting for RAC recovery - by which time battery was
flat -
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>sitting on the embankment with 3 young kids. Not an experience I want
to
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>repeat.
>
>?? >>
>
>?? >>Phil
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sat Apr  1 15:09:26 2006
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 02:09:26 +1200
Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4
References: <0BAA8557-C8A4-4B96-83B2-F9DAFE67339A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0c1c01c65595$e3c19300$aa737cca@computername>

DOT 4 is better than DOT 3, and DOT 5.1 is better than DOT 4.
For the best results over the longest time, use DOT 5.1
Don't use DOT 5 as that is different.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Conway" <ppconway at mac.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 11:56 PM
Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4


> My owners maintenance/care manual states DOT4 for the breaking/PSD  
> system.
> 
> The cap on the reservoir, though all in german, does clearly state DOT3
> 
> Is there much of a difference and which should I use?
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From dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 15:13:48 2006
From: dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk (Dave Hamilton)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:13:48 +0100
Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4
References: <0BAA8557-C8A4-4B96-83B2-F9DAFE67339A@mac.com>
	<000901c65585$148e01a0$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <04c701c65596$806ed3c0$020ba8c0@shuttle>

No George DOT 5.1 does absorb water

"DOT 5.1, like DOT 3 and DOT 4, is a polyethylene glycol based fluid 
(contrasted with DOT 5 which is silicone based). Fluids such as DOT 5.1 are 
hygroscopic and will absorb water from the atmosphere. This degrades the 
performance of the fluid by drastically reducing its boiling point. In a 
passenger car this is not much of an issue, but can be of serious concerns 
in racecars or motorcycles."

The DOT5 silicon based fluid does not absorb water but I understand there 
are other reasons for not using it, though I don't know what they are.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george.parker183" <george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "Paul Conway" <ppconway at mac.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4


Hi Paul,

Click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_4

It looks as if we should be using DOT 5.1, because it doesn't collect water, 
which is what ruined my PSD pump, but wait and see what Smiffy says. He's 
the expert.

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Conway
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:56 PM
  Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4


  My owners maintenance/care manual states DOT4 for the breaking/PSD
  system.

  The cap on the reservoir, though all in german, does clearly state DOT3

  Is there much of a difference and which should I use?
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sat Apr  1 15:31:46 2006
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 02:31:46 +1200
Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4
References: <0BAA8557-C8A4-4B96-83B2-F9DAFE67339A@mac.com><000901c65585$148e01a0$1530a8c0@george>
	<04c701c65596$806ed3c0$020ba8c0@shuttle>
Message-ID: <008e01c65599$02d83980$2b737cca@computername>

DOT 5 doesn't absorb water, but it doesn't stop water from entering the system, so the 
water will still be there, but separate from the brake fluid, so no advantage there. It 
doesn't attack paintwork, its only real advantage. Its big downside is that is more 
compressible, so not good for brake feel. I doubt if it would make and difference to the 
PSD operation.

The good thing about normal fluid absorbing water is that when you flush the system 
(brakes or PSD) you are sure to get the water out of the system.

The big difference between 3, 4 and 5.1 is that the higher the number, the higher the 
temperature before they boil (dry and wet).

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hamilton" <dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk>
To: "george.parker183" <george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "Paul 
Conway" <ppconway at mac.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4


> No George DOT 5.1 does absorb water
>
> "DOT 5.1, like DOT 3 and DOT 4, is a polyethylene glycol based fluid (contrasted with 
> DOT 5 which is silicone based). Fluids such as DOT 5.1 are hygroscopic and will absorb 
> water from the atmosphere. This degrades the performance of the fluid by drastically 
> reducing its boiling point. In a passenger car this is not much of an issue, but can be 
> of serious concerns in racecars or motorcycles."
>
> The DOT5 silicon based fluid does not absorb water but I understand there are other 
> reasons for not using it, though I don't know what they are.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "george.parker183" <george.parker183 at btopenworld.com>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "Paul Conway" <ppconway at mac.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_4
>
> It looks as if we should be using DOT 5.1, because it doesn't collect water, which is 
> what ruined my PSD pump, but wait and see what Smiffy says. He's the expert.
>
> All the best,
> George.
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Paul Conway
>  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:56 PM
>  Subject: [928uk] DOT3 or DOT4
>
>
>  My owners maintenance/care manual states DOT4 for the breaking/PSD
>  system.
>
>  The cap on the reservoir, though all in german, does clearly state DOT3
>
>  Is there much of a difference and which should I use?
>  _______________________________________________
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From sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 07:29:27 2006
From: sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk (Nick)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:29:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Well theres good news and bad news
Message-ID: <00be01c65555$a09135d0$0400a8c0@nicksn41g>

when I bought my 79auto last month it had a metallic rattle at the top front of the engine. As the rattling noise was there all the time and didn't rise and fall with the revs of the engine  I knew it couldn't be anything to do with the top end of the engine  and assumed therefore it would turn out to be something loose like a pulley wheel or a loose nut and bolt on a  bracket etc possibly the water pump pulley. 
Last time I drove her into town I noticed a slight trail of water and so today I got the torch out ,filled her up and started the engine.

Sure enough a trail of water formed under the car in minutes and a close search with the torch revealed water flicking off the cam belt at the top cam cover inspection opening. So... it was the water pump.... 

This car came with no history whatsoever so I had already budgeted for the belts and tensioners etc and kinda assumed I would be replacing the water pump at the same time. New belts are invariably   tighter than the worn out stretched ones they replace and its this extra tension and strain that often knocks out the water  pump and alternator bearings shortly after a belt change.  
I suppose all in all I should be happy it didn't turn out to be anything worse but the cost sure is going to eat a sizeable chunk into my budget this month.
Nick J
79auto

ps.   notice I didn't mention the oil or the thermostat lol, and  we shan't go there shall we   ..... ahem !  

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From justincr00k at gmail.com  Sat Apr  1 19:16:06 2006
From: justincr00k at gmail.com (Justin Crook)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:16:06 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Rear RMB Question
Message-ID: <ff95e35c0604011016q99b4dd5g8c5b1f361955af7b@mail.gmail.com>

Last week the 928 S was taken in for a complete respray in metallic black
and should be back this coming week when the rear spacers and braided hoses
will be fitted. I have a new rear box, large single pipe type to fit which
is going to need some modification, i.e. a twin to single pipe adapter
behind the box.

Will this restriction (two pipes into one) give a huge affect to power,
assuming that before the backbox its literally halving its outlet?


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From justincr00k at gmail.com  Sat Apr  1 19:29:59 2006
From: justincr00k at gmail.com (Justin Crook)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:29:59 +0000
Subject: Fwd: [928uk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ff95e35c0604011027q4b8b6070vb68e7d97d4131721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6A257924-93DD-4CEC-B4D7-A9E0966D9C52@ntlworld.com>
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 You can try http://www.britanniarescue.com/plan/routeplanner/plan.php which
should calculate all of this for you, but only point to point.

The best thing to do is purschase routing software which will calculate the
exact mileage. Using a GPS system and software will also give you a ETA and
point out where the petrol stations are on the way.


 On 4/1/06, Brendan Buchanan <brendan.buchanan at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys
>
> Thinkin' of taking my 928 S4 for a trip for a weekend to south Wales.
> How much will it cost in fule and how many stops to refill?
>
> The model is a 928 S$ SE 88' 5.0
>
> Going a 11am
>
> Brendan
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From pablo at adreso.com  Sat Apr  1 20:07:06 2006
From: pablo at adreso.com (Pablo Ventura)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:07:06 +0200
Subject: [928uk] GTS front brake discs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c651de$943552f0$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <B5D83954-C1B2-11DA-8ED6-000A9573F496@adreso.com>

It cosntantly makes a loud skuiky noise which gets on you nerves...


pablo
'84 with anoying noisy brakes


On Monday, March 27, 2006, at 10:39 PM, george.parker183 wrote:

> What is the point in skimming a disc that is perfectly flat? The ridge 
> round the edge is irrelevant isn't it.
> ?
> All the best,
> George.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: thomas mather
> To: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:20 PM
> Subject: [928uk] GTS front brake discs
>
> Somebody kindly sent me details of the tolerance allowed when skimming 
> the GTS front discs. Unfortunately lost the e?mail!
>
> Could it be resent?
>
> I need to know how much can be taken off the discs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> 94 GTS
>
>
>
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>
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From sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 08:49:17 2006
From: sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk (Nick)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:49:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GTS front brake discs
References: <B5D83954-C1B2-11DA-8ED6-000A9573F496@adreso.com>
Message-ID: <011301c65560$c7717240$0400a8c0@nicksn41g>

Pablo turn the Hi-Fi up lol ....

ha ha sorry couldn't resist. Its really annoying isn't it !    
I'm going for new disks all round myself as the early non slotted ones are quite cheap. I'm hoping I can refurb the calipers to save a bit of money. If there is enough metal left there is nothing wrong with having them skimmed at least your pads will last longer and your braking  will improve lots. Plus you will hopefully get rid of the skuiky ? noise
Nick J 
79auto  with annoying rattling pump pulley
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pablo Ventura 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] GTS front brake discs


  It cosntantly makes a loud skuiky noise which gets on you nerves...


  pablo
  '84 with anoying noisy brakes


  On Monday, March 27, 2006, at 10:39 PM, george.parker183 wrote:


    What is the point in skimming a disc that is perfectly flat? The ridge round the edge is irrelevant isn't it.
     
    All the best,
    George.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: thomas mather
    To: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:20 PM
    Subject: [928uk] GTS front brake discs

    Somebody kindly sent me details of the tolerance allowed when skimming the GTS front discs. Unfortunately lost the e mail!

    Could it be resent?

    I need to know how much can be taken off the discs?

    Thanks

    Tom

    94 GTS




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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sat Apr  1 20:42:09 2006
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:42:09 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Rear RMB Question
References: <ff95e35c0604011016q99b4dd5g8c5b1f361955af7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c655c4$5d65c720$1530a8c0@george>

You won't notice the difference.

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Justin Crook 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:16 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Rear RMB Question


  Last week the 928 S was taken in for a complete respray in metallic black and should be back this coming week when the rear spacers and braided hoses will be fitted. I have a new rear box, large single pipe type to fit which is going to need some modification, i.e. a twin to single pipe adapter behind the box. 

  Will this restriction (two pipes into one) give a huge affect to power, assuming that before the backbox its literally halving its outlet? 


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From justincr00k at gmail.com  Sat Apr  1 21:03:21 2006
From: justincr00k at gmail.com (Justin Crook)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:03:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Rear RMB Question
In-Reply-To: <004c01c655c4$5d65c720$1530a8c0@george>
References: <ff95e35c0604011016q99b4dd5g8c5b1f361955af7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<004c01c655c4$5d65c720$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <ff95e35c0604011203v1f627eao2daabe06393c0dbe@mail.gmail.com>

Cheers George.

On 4/1/06, george.parker183 <george.parker183 at btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> You won't notice the difference.
>
> All the best,
> George.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Justin Crook <justincr00k at gmail.com>
> *To:* 928uk at 928.org.uk
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:16 PM
> *Subject:* [928uk] Rear RMB Question
>
> Last week the 928 S was taken in for a complete respray in metallic black
> and should be back this coming week when the rear spacers and braided hoses
> will be fitted. I have a new rear box, large single pipe type to fit which
> is going to need some modification, i.e. a twin to single pipe adapter
> behind the box.
>
> Will this restriction (two pipes into one) give a huge affect to power,
> assuming that before the backbox its literally halving its outlet?
>
>
> --
> Justin
> All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
>
>
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From guy at benkins.com  Sat Apr  1 21:49:28 2006
From: guy at benkins.com (guy at benkins.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:49:28 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Fwd: [928uk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ff95e35c0604011029y150b5538k6db8614d1bef6ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6A257924-93DD-4CEC-B4D7-A9E0966D9C52@ntlworld.com><ff95e35c0604011027q4b8b6070vb68e7d97d4131721@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff95e35c0604011029y150b5538k6db8614d1bef6ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45295.83.179.138.93.1143924568.squirrel@207.44.156.96>

Or go to www.viamichelin.co.uk, put in the starting and ending addresses
(postcodes will do), set up any other parameters you want, and you'll get
exact mileage driven for a choice of routes, the amount of fuel you'll
use, etc, etc.

Just check it doesn't send you down a crazy route, but it is usually
pretty good, and it gives you a map and road book so it is easy to check.

Guy


>  You can try http://www.britanniarescue.com/plan/routeplanner/plan.php
> which
> should calculate all of this for you, but only point to point.
>
> The best thing to do is purschase routing software which will calculate
> the
> exact mileage. Using a GPS system and software will also give you a ETA
> and
> point out where the petrol stations are on the way.
>
>
>  On 4/1/06, Brendan Buchanan <brendan.buchanan at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> Thinkin' of taking my 928 S4 for a trip for a weekend to south Wales.
>> How much will it cost in fule and how many stops to refill?
>>
>> The model is a 928 S$ SE 88' 5.0
>>
>> Going a 11am
>>
>> Brendan
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>
>
>
> --
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> All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
>
>
> --
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From marton at befree.ch  Sat Apr  1 22:05:22 2006
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:05:22 +0200
Subject: AW: [928uk] 928S2 on eBay
In-Reply-To: <84bba0e70603310718m52672b5ci95370ab1c0dcb9ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44157AD3006D9FB2@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

Sounds very cheap price for an OPC engine rebuild
Maybe the cam belt broke and the heads had to be rebuilt.

Marton

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Joel Hopwood
Gesendet: Friday, March 31, 2006 5:18 PM
An: 928 Forum
Betreff: [928uk] 928S2 on eBay

Item number 4627373846 on eBay.

Just wondered if anyone on the list knows this car, or would like to
come and see it with me - I'm a complete newbie and have been looking
for the right S2 for about 6 months now.

The pictures are poor quality but the car looks fairly original. Not
sure what to make of an OPC engine rebuild though.

Any advice much appreciated

Joel
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From tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 22:14:10 2006
From: tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk (Tom Mather)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:14:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GTS Brake Overhaul
In-Reply-To: <011301c65560$c7717240$0400a8c0@nicksn41g>
Message-ID: <000001c655d1$38d75600$0300a8c0@BOLLOCKS>

Just completed overhaul on GTS front brakes. Old ones were 29.25 thick
so it was bite the bullet! Porsche quoted ?196 each. Porsche 911 Design
quoted ?150 for originals and ?122 for OE. Went for the OE but they sent
originals so at ?122 I think I got a good deal. New pads came with
anti-squeal metal shims glued to back of pad, which the old ones did not
have? 
 
Calliper had to come off to remove old pads as well as changing discs,
which is easy it only being secured by 2 bolts. Loads of dirt under top
and bottom metal sliders. These are screwed to the calliper with a
hexagonal screw, but no chance of them coming off, so cleaned it out as
best I could. Because brake pipes were disconnected used it as
opportunity to replace brake fluid. Brake calliper is quite impressive 4
pistons, enormous in size yet light as a feather.
 
End result is well worth it, staggering braking performance has
returned. Many impressive stats about the GTS but my favourite is still
100 mph to 0 mph in 2.9 seconds! 
 
Also as recommended by some of you out there, got a set of Continentals.
?125 each for rears and ?98 each for fronts. As I required they are
extremely quiet with hardly any road noise.
 
Last year had  a complete 4 wheel alignment carried out by Machtech in
Watford. Its well worth it. This along with tyres and brakes make the
GTS  a genuine " mile eater" At 100mph on cruise control on the new low
noise tarmac road surfaces we are finally getting in the UK it is
absolutely smooth and effortless. 
 
Clearly other are also impressed too, as I drive along at 100 mph,
people are taking photographs!.
 
( Well I assume its photographs as I keep detecting these flash guns in
the rear view mirror?)
 
Tom 
94 GTS
 
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From sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Apr  1 11:06:41 2006
From: sound at solutionsuk.freeserve.co.uk (Nick)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:06:41 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cam belt change
Message-ID: <004901c65573$f9221c00$0400a8c0@nicksn41g>

I have offered to source the parts for my local garage for a cam belt change they are doing on my 79auto next week. (me and my big mouth..) Sian specializes in TVRs and other high performance cars and always looks after  my Porsches 
My water pump has definitly gone as well.
So what are all the parts that I'm likely to need and should put on my parts order list ?

Nick J 
79auto

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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Sat Apr  1 23:04:36 2006
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:04:36 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Cam belt change
In-Reply-To: <004901c65573$f9221c00$0400a8c0@nicksn41g>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDOEPPDGAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Go to www.928GT.com -
928 specialists kits
Timing belt and water pump kit 77-82

Your garage will also need the JFK timing belt tension tool and probably a
flywheel lock tool as well, although it is possible to improvise this.

Jon in NZ
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Nick
  Sent: 01 April 2006 22:07
  To: swoop928 at yahoogroups.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] Cam belt change


  I have offered to source the parts for my local garage for a cam belt
change they are doing on my 79auto next week. (me and my big mouth..) Sian
specializes in TVRs and other high performance cars and always looks after
my Porsches
  My water pump has definitly gone as well.
  So what are all the parts that I'm likely to need and should put on my
parts order list ?

  Nick J
  79auto
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From MARKBIRRI at aol.com  Sun Apr  2 02:52:52 2006
From: MARKBIRRI at aol.com (MARKBIRRI at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:52:52 EST
Subject: [928uk] GTS has been in storage - is it OK?
Message-ID: <254.9258df1.31608874@aol.com>

not THE Windy Miller-he from trumpton??? (sorry-3am and i really shouldn't  
be on here in my present state!.........goodnight   mark 928 KUP   
(mmm...wonder what Barney Mcgrew drove?!)
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  2 07:10:46 2006
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:10:46 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Track Day Tyre Pressures
Message-ID: <98697a430604012210r72b31100j7c6b6fd1cc2dccc4@mail.gmail.com>

I'm at the Nurburgring, the conditions are that the track surface is wet,
and not getting to dry out much if at all.

I have standard S4 slots with ContiSports at the front and Toyo Proxes at
the back, I have been running at factory spec of 37/43. This is not working
at all, I have no grip at the rear whatsoever. The car is startard trim, not
lightened in any way and loaded with half a tank of fuel and two adults
totalling 300 lbs.

I'm going to try 37/37 for the next couple of laps. What pressures should I
be using?

Paul
87 S4 Manual
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From willsco at gmail.com  Sun Apr  2 07:54:42 2006
From: willsco at gmail.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:54:42 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet Release
In-Reply-To: <027001c6553f$24e33b10$aa737cca@computername>
References: <OFBB170E33.11EFCD5C-ON80257142.0037E1DA-80257142.00384B13@rockwellcollins.com>
	<027001c6553f$24e33b10$aa737cca@computername>
Message-ID: <9cdb24be0604012254t392e70i7c25c8d444194d24@mail.gmail.com>

Mine has broken and been repaired a number of times

I now rely on sticking my hand up under just the front bumper & number plate
where you will easily feel the cable feeding into the latch mechanism.

You can hook your finger onto the cable and gently pull down and the bonnet
latch releases

One note of caution (from bloody experience) - the natural body position you
assume when attempting this manoeuvre is to crouch down leaving your chin
above the bonnet badge at a distance that is approximately 1/2 the distance
the bonnet travels upwards when released.

The first time you release the bonnet in this way, your chin acts as a
damper to the upward travel of the bonnet which if, like me, you were
concentrating hard - you probably have your tongue between your front teeth
- I guess you know where I am going now!

Just apply firm downwards pressure on the bonnet badge area before releasing
(and keep your mouth tightly shut!)

8-(

regards


Mike W
79 Auto

On 01/04/06, Paul R Smith <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
>
> See attachment. I have used a longer screw for one of the fixings, and
> added a spacer so
> that the front and back pieces are held correctly. This stops the front
> cover falling off
> and getting broken.
>
> If the cable is stiff, it will only get stiffer, so now is as good a time
> as any to
> replace it. (The outer plastic of the cable usually gets damaged, and the
> metal outer part
> rusts, and pushes on the inner).
>
> In the short term, you should be able to pull the lever while holding the
> cover in place.
> As others have suggested, getting someone to push down on the bonnet while
> you pull the
> lever will help.
>
> If the cable does break, there's a picture somewhere on the 928uk website
> showing how to
> open the bonnet from under the front.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <clusted at rockwellcollins.com>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:14 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Bonnet Release
>
>
> > Just tried to open my bonnet and the release lever has forced the lower
> > covering plate off and has come off of the spindle. I have re-attached
> it
> > but when I try and operate it the lever comes off of the spindle. I am
> > concerned about breaking the spindle, the last time the bonnet was
> opened
> > was about three weeks ago. The lever has always been stiff but not a
> > problem.
> > Any suggestions as to how I get into the bonnet (and fix the lever)
> would
> > be gratefully received.
> > Regards
> > Clive
> > '88 S4 Auto
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Sun Apr  2 09:53:40 2006
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:53:40 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Track Day Tyre Pressures
In-Reply-To: <98697a430604012210r72b31100j7c6b6fd1cc2dccc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDMEADDHAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Factory spec is 36/42 Cold but that was 18 years ago.

The GT is being run on 36 all round. (2 Bar)  seems to work. (SE is on 18"
wheels so not relevant) but I used to run that on 36 all round on Contis
with no apparent problems - did lock a front wheel or two at the ring
though,

I suspect that despite the surface being wet the toyos aren't giving the
same amount of grip as the contis at the front. Conti's aren't brilliant in
standing water Toyo's are - Contis are very good where there is no water to
disperse. Maybe it's the mismatch of tyres that is the problem?

I think I need gravel tyres for the 928s over here.

Jon in NZ
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Paul
  Sent: 02 April 2006 18:11
  To: 928UK
  Subject: [928uk] Track Day Tyre Pressures


  I'm at the Nurburgring, the conditions are that the track surface is wet,
and not getting to dry out much if at all.

  I have standard S4 slots with ContiSports at the front and Toyo Proxes at
the back, I have been running at factory spec of 37/43. This is not working
at all, I have no grip at the rear whatsoever. The car is startard trim, not
lightened in any way and loaded with half a tank of fuel and two adults
totalling 300 lbs.

  I'm going to try 37/37 for the next couple of laps. What pressures should
I be using?

  Paul
  87 S4 Manual
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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sun Apr  2 10:31:14 2006
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:31:14 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet Release
References: <OFBB170E33.11EFCD5C-ON80257142.0037E1DA-80257142.00384B13@rockwellcollins.com><027001c6553f$24e33b10$aa737cca@computername>
	<9cdb24be0604012254t392e70i7c25c8d444194d24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c65638$2ff46160$1530a8c0@george>

There's gotta be a strong case to attaching a draw string to the cable, here. !!!

All the best,
George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Williams 
  To: Paul R Smith 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet Release


  Mine has broken and been repaired a number of times

  I now rely on sticking my hand up under just the front bumper & number plate where you will easily feel the cable feeding into the latch mechanism.

  You can hook your finger onto the cable and gently pull down and the bonnet latch releases 

  One note of caution (from bloody experience) - the natural body position you assume when attempting this manoeuvre is to crouch down leaving your chin above the bonnet badge at a distance that is approximately 1/2 the distance the bonnet travels upwards when released. 

  The first time you release the bonnet in this way, your chin acts as a damper to the upward travel of the bonnet which if, like me, you were concentrating hard - you proba