From marton at befree.ch  Tue Mar  1 07:08:30 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:08:30 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Quoted Happy :o)
References: <1e0.36c0ab6f.2f54e571@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c51e2d$797b1c00$0500000a@simone>

"would have been nice if they had looked around before they sent the quote out... "

probably safest to assume that they are not looking very hard........
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ror928 at aol.com 
  To: richard at ritech-systems.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Quoted Happy :o)


  I am waiting to see about Carol Nash... 
  I have been with them for 3 years paying about ?300 for a limited milage classic car policy parked on the street in London. This years renewal quote was >?2000!! Axa who used to cover it have moved their classics back to 1974. They are supposed to phone me with an alternative soon, but it would have been nice if they had looked around before they sent the quote out... 
  Rory 84 S2 


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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar  1 08:45:14 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:45:14 +1300
Subject: [928uk] 928  Racing  -  2
References: <001a01c51dec$dce66060$043abd50@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004501c51e3a$fd8a8fa0$18667cca@computername>

If you can scan the picture and send it to me, that would be good.

How do you know he's not coming up to lap the Jags.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Clark" <chrisclark at madasafish.com>
To: "928 List" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: [928uk] 928 Racing - 2


Thanks Jon and Smiffy for your replies.
No, that's a different car in your picture, Smiffy  -  looks interesting though.
According to the magazine, the event was the 19th Whittakers classic race festival in NZ. 
In their picture, the 928 appears to be dark blue, with a standard S/S2 rear spoiler.  The 
photo was taken during a race, and unfortunately the 928 is trailing three assorted 
Jaguars!
Regards,
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From justin at pressland.co.uk  Tue Mar  1 13:09:25 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:09:25 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C3C4@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

Hi
 
i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some
over mats for the footwells. 
Ideally, these should be with Porsche style
text and Dereks logo on.
I have looked at a few internet sites but
any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.
 
Justin
S4
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From rob at robburrell.co.uk  Tue Mar  1 15:07:17 2005
From: rob at robburrell.co.uk (Rob Burrell)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:07:17 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
In-Reply-To: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C3C4@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <200503011507.j21F7Oc32611@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi Justin

 

I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!

 

Two companies spring to mind:

 

1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near Winchester
01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com <http://www.southboundtrimmers.com/>


2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380 720970
www.classicadditions.co.uk <http://www.classicadditions.co.uk/>  

 

Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports, I have used
Classic Additions and can recommend their service and products - ask for
Adrian the MD

 

Good luck!

 

Regards

 

Rob

 

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Pressland, Justin
Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats

 

Hi

 

i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

over mats for the footwells. 

Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

text and Dereks logo on.

I have looked at a few internet sites but

any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.

 

Justin

S4

 

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From justin at pressland.co.uk  Tue Mar  1 15:22:23 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:22:23 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C439@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

Rob
 
many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound
who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats
in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in
the original carpet. 
He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up
charge is high for the artwork.
 
I will touch base with Adrian too.
 
Many thanks.
 
Justin
S4 proto-CS

________________________________

From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk] 
Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats



Hi Justin

 

I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!

 

Two companies spring to mind:

 

1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near Winchester
01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com
<http://www.southboundtrimmers.com/> 

2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380 720970
www.classicadditions.co.uk <http://www.classicadditions.co.uk/>  

 

Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports, I have
used Classic Additions and can recommend their service and products -
ask for Adrian the MD

 

Good luck!

 

Regards

 

Rob

 

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats

 

Hi

 

i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

over mats for the footwells. 

Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

text and Dereks logo on.

I have looked at a few internet sites but

any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.

 

Justin

S4

 

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From mike at dawe.com  Tue Mar  1 16:52:08 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:52:08 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
In-Reply-To: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C439@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFEEBCCDAA.mike@dawe.com>

It could be a good idea to 'run the idea past ' Derek too,don't you
think.........Mike (T reg)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Pressland, Justin
  Sent: 01 March 2005 15:22
  To: Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  Rob

  many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound
  who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats
  in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in
  the original carpet.
  He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up
  charge is high for the artwork.

  I will touch base with Adrian too.

  Many thanks.

  Justin
  S4 proto-CS



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  From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk]
  Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
  To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  Hi Justin



  I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!



  Two companies spring to mind:



  1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near Winchester
01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com

  2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380 720970
www.classicadditions.co.uk



  Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports, I have
used Classic Additions and can recommend their service and products - ask
for Adrian the MD



  Good luck!



  Regards



  Rob




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  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Pressland, Justin
  Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats



  Hi



  i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

  over mats for the footwells.

  Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

  text and Dereks logo on.

  I have looked at a few internet sites but

  any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.



  Justin

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From justin at pressland.co.uk  Tue Mar  1 16:58:36 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:58:36 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C49B@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

Gosh, i don't think he would mind. I got the
DB key ring with the car!
I hope it will be seen as protecting and 
proclaiming the heritage of the car.
 
Justin
S4 proto-CS

________________________________

From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com] 
Sent: 01 March 2005 16:52
To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


It could be a good idea to 'run the idea past ' Derek too,don't you
think.........Mike (T reg)

	-----Original Message-----
	From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
[mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
	Sent: 01 March 2005 15:22
	To: Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
	Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats
	
	
	Rob
	 
	many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound
	who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats
	in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in
	the original carpet. 
	He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up
	charge is high for the artwork.
	 
	I will touch base with Adrian too.
	 
	Many thanks.
	 
	Justin
	S4 proto-CS

________________________________

	From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk] 
	Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
	To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
	Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats
	
	

	Hi Justin

	 

	I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!

	 

	Two companies spring to mind:

	 

	1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near
Winchester 01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com
<http://www.southboundtrimmers.com/> 

	2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380
720970 www.classicadditions.co.uk <http://www.classicadditions.co.uk/>  

	 

	Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports,
I have used Classic Additions and can recommend their service and
products - ask for Adrian the MD

	 

	Good luck!

	 

	Regards

	 

	Rob

	 

	
________________________________


	From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
	Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
	To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
	Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats

	 

	Hi

	 

	i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

	over mats for the footwells. 

	Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

	text and Dereks logo on.

	I have looked at a few internet sites but

	any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.

	 

	Justin

	S4

	 

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From marton at befree.ch  Tue Mar  1 17:26:31 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:26:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
References: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C49B@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <015e01c51e83$cf761aa0$0500000a@simone>

maybe derek has some artwork that you could use?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pressland, Justin 
  To: mike at dawe.com ; Rob Burrell ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:58 PM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  Gosh, i don't think he would mind. I got the
  DB key ring with the car!
  I hope it will be seen as protecting and 
  proclaiming the heritage of the car.

  Justin
  S4 proto-CS



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  From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com] 
  Sent: 01 March 2005 16:52
  To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  It could be a good idea to 'run the idea past ' Derek too,don't you think.........Mike (T reg)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
    Sent: 01 March 2005 15:22
    To: Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


    Rob

    many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound
    who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats
    in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in
    the original carpet. 
    He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up
    charge is high for the artwork.

    I will touch base with Adrian too.

    Many thanks.

    Justin
    S4 proto-CS



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk] 
    Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
    To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


    Hi Justin

     

    I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!

     

    Two companies spring to mind:

     

    1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near Winchester 01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com

    2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380 720970 www.classicadditions.co.uk 

     

    Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports, I have used Classic Additions and can recommend their service and products - ask for Adrian the MD

     

    Good luck!

     

    Regards

     

    Rob

     


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    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
    Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats

     

    Hi

     

    i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

    over mats for the footwells. 

    Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

    text and Dereks logo on.

    I have looked at a few internet sites but

    any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.

     

    Justin

    S4

     



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From mike at dawe.com  Tue Mar  1 18:03:26 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:03:26 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
In-Reply-To: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C49B@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFCEBDCDAA.mike@dawe.com>

Maybe I am being an old fart but if one has a 'logo' it IS yours. A quick
word would be a wonderful and polite intro.....Mike (T reg)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Pressland, Justin [mailto:justin at pressland.co.uk]
  Sent: 01 March 2005 16:59
  To: mike at dawe.com; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  Gosh, i don't think he would mind. I got the
  DB key ring with the car!
  I hope it will be seen as protecting and
  proclaiming the heritage of the car.

  Justin
  S4 proto-CS



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--
  From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
  Sent: 01 March 2005 16:52
  To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  It could be a good idea to 'run the idea past ' Derek too,don't you
think.........Mike (T reg)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
    Sent: 01 March 2005 15:22
    To: Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


    Rob

    many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound
    who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats
    in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in
    the original carpet.
    He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up
    charge is high for the artwork.

    I will touch base with Adrian too.

    Many thanks.

    Justin
    S4 proto-CS



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk]
    Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
    To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


    Hi Justin



    I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!



    Two companies spring to mind:



    1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near Winchester
01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com

    2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380 720970
www.classicadditions.co.uk



    Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports, I have
used Classic Additions and can recommend their service and products - ask
for Adrian the MD



    Good luck!



    Regards



    Rob




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    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
    Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats



    Hi



    i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

    over mats for the footwells.

    Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

    text and Dereks logo on.

    I have looked at a few internet sites but

    any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.



    Justin

    S4


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From marcus at randle.org  Tue Mar  1 18:30:09 2005
From: marcus at randle.org (Marcus Randle)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:30:09 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
In-Reply-To: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFCEBDCDAA.mike@dawe.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAQPsvf4zUe02cNoS4suQ1GQEAQ0pwornp7EeFKHH4/2J/LQAAACZ8mQAAEAAAAMqPFEECNGhMnJq58XPRwF4BAAAAAA==@randle.org>

And maybe he'd want overmats for other vehicles of his, thus reducing the
artwork setup costs for your mats.  Every kind act includes benefits for
everyone.

 

Marcus

 

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Mike Dawe
Sent: 01 March 2005 18:03
To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

 

Maybe I am being an old fart but if one has a 'logo' it IS yours. A quick
word would be a wonderful and polite intro.....Mike (T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: Pressland, Justin [mailto:justin at pressland.co.uk]
Sent: 01 March 2005 16:59
To: mike at dawe.com; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

Gosh, i don't think he would mind. I got the

DB key ring with the car!

I hope it will be seen as protecting and 

proclaiming the heritage of the car.

 

Justin

S4 proto-CS

 


  _____  


From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com] 
Sent: 01 March 2005 16:52
To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

It could be a good idea to 'run the idea past ' Derek too,don't you
think.........Mike (T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Pressland, Justin
Sent: 01 March 2005 15:22
To: Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

Rob

 

many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound

who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats

in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in

the original carpet. 

He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up

charge is high for the artwork.

 

I will touch base with Adrian too.

 

Many thanks.

 

Justin

S4 proto-CS

 


  _____  


From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk] 
Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

Hi Justin

 

I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!

 

Two companies spring to mind:

 

1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near Winchester
01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com <http://www.southboundtrimmers.com/>


2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380 720970
www.classicadditions.co.uk <http://www.classicadditions.co.uk/>  

 

Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports, I have used
Classic Additions and can recommend their service and products - ask for
Adrian the MD

 

Good luck!

 

Regards

 

Rob

 


  _____  


From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Pressland, Justin
Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats

 

Hi

 

i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

over mats for the footwells. 

Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

text and Dereks logo on.

I have looked at a few internet sites but

any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.

 

Justin

S4

 

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From justin at pressland.co.uk  Tue Mar  1 18:43:52 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:43:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C4E5@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

I am writing to Derek this week so will ask.
 
not sure he is an overmat kinda guy, but you 
never know............
 
Justin
 

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Marcus Randle
Sent: 01 March 2005 18:30
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats



And maybe he'd want overmats for other vehicles of his, thus reducing
the artwork setup costs for your mats.  Every kind act includes benefits
for everyone...

 

Marcus

 

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Mike Dawe
Sent: 01 March 2005 18:03
To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

 

Maybe I am being an old fart but if one has a 'logo' it IS yours. A
quick word would be a wonderful and polite intro.....Mike (T reg)

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Pressland, Justin [mailto:justin at pressland.co.uk]
	Sent: 01 March 2005 16:59
	To: mike at dawe.com; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
	Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

	Gosh, i don't think he would mind. I got the

	DB key ring with the car!

	I hope it will be seen as protecting and 

	proclaiming the heritage of the car.

	 

	Justin

	S4 proto-CS

	 

	
________________________________


	From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com] 
	Sent: 01 March 2005 16:52
	To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
	Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

	It could be a good idea to 'run the idea past ' Derek too,don't
you think.........Mike (T reg)

		-----Original Message-----
		From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
[mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
		Sent: 01 March 2005 15:22
		To: Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
		Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

		Rob

		 

		many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound

		who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats

		in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in

		the original carpet. 

		He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up

		charge is high for the artwork.

		 

		I will touch base with Adrian too.

		 

		Many thanks.

		 

		Justin

		S4 proto-CS

		 

		
________________________________


		From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk] 
		Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
		To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
		Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

		Hi Justin

		 

		I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!

		 

		Two companies spring to mind:

		 

		1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based
near Winchester 01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com
<http://www.southboundtrimmers.com/> 

		2                     Classic Additions - based in
Devizes 01380 720970 www.classicadditions.co.uk
<http://www.classicadditions.co.uk/>  

		 

		Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good
reports, I have used Classic Additions and can recommend their service
and products - ask for Adrian the MD

		 

		Good luck!

		 

		Regards

		 

		Rob

		 

		
________________________________


		From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
[mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
		Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
		To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
		Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats

		 

		Hi

		 

		i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

		over mats for the footwells. 

		Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

		text and Dereks logo on.

		I have looked at a few internet sites but

		any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.

		 

		Justin

		S4

		 

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From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Mar  1 19:47:42 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:47:42 EST
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
Message-ID: <75.400d7d63.2f5620de@aol.com>

Gee Whizz
 
9 emails on overmats... is this a record ?? 
Better than oil. wheels and insurance  :o)
 
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From mike at dawe.com  Tue Mar  1 20:17:34 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:17:34 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
In-Reply-To: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C4E5@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFCEBECDAA.mike@dawe.com>

Good on yer ....Mike (T reg)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Pressland, Justin
  Sent: 01 March 2005 18:44
  To: Marcus Randle; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  I am writing to Derek this week so will ask.

  not sure he is an overmat kinda guy, but you
  never know............

  Justin




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--
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Marcus Randle
  Sent: 01 March 2005 18:30
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats


  And maybe he'd want overmats for other vehicles of his, thus reducing the
artwork setup costs for your mats.  Every kind act includes benefits for
everyone.



  Marcus




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  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Mike Dawe
  Sent: 01 March 2005 18:03
  To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats



  Maybe I am being an old fart but if one has a 'logo' it IS yours. A quick
word would be a wonderful and polite intro.....Mike (T reg)

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Pressland, Justin [mailto:justin at pressland.co.uk]
    Sent: 01 March 2005 16:59
    To: mike at dawe.com; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

    Gosh, i don't think he would mind. I got the

    DB key ring with the car!

    I hope it will be seen as protecting and

    proclaiming the heritage of the car.



    Justin

    S4 proto-CS




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    From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
    Sent: 01 March 2005 16:52
    To: Pressland, Justin; Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

    It could be a good idea to 'run the idea past ' Derek too,don't you
think.........Mike (T reg)

      -----Original Message-----
      From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
      Sent: 01 March 2005 15:22
      To: Rob Burrell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
      Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

      Rob



      many thanks. i have just spoken to Southbound

      who have the original carpet (you cannot get overmats

      in blue anymore), so i may get overmats made in

      the original carpet.

      He will also put DB's logo on it - though the set up

      charge is high for the artwork.



      I will touch base with Adrian too.



      Many thanks.



      Justin

      S4 proto-CS




--------------------------------------------------------------------------

      From: Rob Burrell [mailto:rob at robburrell.co.uk]
      Sent: 01 March 2005 15:07
      To: Pressland, Justin; 928uk at 928.org.uk
      Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats

      Hi Justin



      I agree, your new purchase deserves the very best!



      Two companies spring to mind:



      1                     Southbound Motor Trimmers - based near
Winchester 01264 810080 www.southboundtrimmers.com

      2                     Classic Additions - based in Devizes 01380
720970 www.classicadditions.co.uk



      Not used Southbound personally but only ever heard good reports, I
have used Classic Additions and can recommend their service and products -
ask for Adrian the MD



      Good luck!



      Regards



      Rob




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      From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Pressland, Justin
      Sent: 01 March 2005 13:09
      To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
      Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats



      Hi



      i think the ex-Derek Bell 928 deserves some

      over mats for the footwells.

      Ideally, these should be with Porsche style

      text and Dereks logo on.

      I have looked at a few internet sites but

      any suggestions/recommendations welcomed.



      Justin

      S4


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From cr.walker at lineone.net  Tue Mar  1 22:08:03 2005
From: cr.walker at lineone.net (Clive Walker)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:08:03 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Re: '92 GTS Manual Numbers
In-Reply-To: <20050228172507.A2E7027EDE3@mail.porsche-1.net>
References: <20050228172507.A2E7027EDE3@mail.porsche-1.net>
Message-ID: <61FF13B1-8A9E-11D9-8F5F-0003936D2B54@lineone.net>

Hi Chris,

Yes, I have one of them.  It's 'Oakgreen Metallic' with 'Classic Grey' 
interior, draped leather seats and sunroof (actually a waste of money 
IMHO).  It also has 18in wheels, fitted by a PO, though apparently not 
recommended according to a Porsche bulletin.

It was first registered in October 1992, but is MY93.  I bought it in 
May 2001 with just under 76k miles on the clock, joining the 928uk list 
in February 2002 - and very useful it's been too (many thanks to Angus 
et.al.)  I'm one of the couple of Herefordshire cars you'll see on the 
distribution map on the website.

They're great cars (all of them), and I'll probably hang on to mine 
'til I can't climb into it any more - though that time seems to be 
approaching rather more quickly than is comfortable!

Regards,

Clive Walker

On 28 Feb 2005, at 17:25, Chris Kenward wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> After seeing a query in this list from someone with a '92 GTS Manual 
> (sorry can't remember who you are) it got me to thinking....
>
> According to David Hemmings' book 'The Real 928' only 7 GTS Manual's 
> were imported into the UK in 1992. I have one of 'em, which means 
> there are only SIX others out there somewhere. (I know - mathematics 
> has always been a strong suit)
>
> I'd like to know who has the other six, and what colour they are 
> (exterior / interior), so I'll start the ball rolling:
>
> - Chris Kenward - Guards Red / Light Grey Interior
>
> Any takers? If you have a GTS from 1992 and it's a manual, bought in 
> the UK, please add your name!
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
> '92 GTS Manual
> '04 550 Boxster



From writer at razorgang.com  Wed Mar  2 03:13:41 2005
From: writer at razorgang.com (Steve Harris)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:13:41 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
Message-ID: <200503020313.41413.writer@razorgang.com>

Anyone who's looked at John Speake's JDSPorsche website will have seen my 
928S2 on the top right of some of the pages.

Alas and alack it no longer looks quite like it does on John's site.

My car hadn't been driven for a couple of weeks so Sunday night about 1am I 
went for a little blast up the M3.  Not far, only from Basingstoke to the 
Odiham junction (J5 I think). I exited the motorway, went round the 
roundabout to drive back, entered the down ramp back on to the M3 and found 
the only bit of road in the area which hadn't been gritted/salted.

ice...

The car spun round (steering didn't do any good at all!) hopped up on the kerb 
and grass and going backwards, wiped the near side of the car down the 
barrier.   It bounced off, spun me round again and I managed to catch it this 
time so I was facing the right way.  Since the engine was still running and 
the car was still moving I thought now would  be as good a time as any to go 
home, so I didn't stop.

When I got to the bottom of the ramp I realised I had no working lights (this 
was quite easy to establish since I couldn't see a bloody thing!). Oh and 
something was rubbing on a wheel somewhere.  The motorway was totally empty 
and I limped home on the hard shoulder.  When I got out of the car the damage 
was quite surprising. One of the headlights was gone entirely.  The rear 
nearside quarter panel and the back end panel were stuffed (although the door 
didn't suffer except for the wing mirror, which was dangling on its wires) 
and the front wing and bonnet were pretty badly screwed.  The rubbery 
plasticky bit under the nose of the car was hanging off (I've never known 
what that bit is called).

Called my insurer, Quoteline Direct/Groupama, yesterday and they were of the 
opinion that the car would likely be a write-off given its age (and 
presumably the cost of panels).  A company called Universal Salvage is due to 
pick up the car Friday and will apparently advise the insurer on whether or 
not it would be a viable proposition to repair the car.  Personally I think 
it'll probably be written off.

If anyone want to see the pictures they're on http://www.razorgang.com/
gallery/album37

Steve



From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 07:36:44 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:36:44 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
In-Reply-To: <200503020313.41413.writer@razorgang.com>
References: <200503020313.41413.writer@razorgang.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430503012336cb9e50a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve

Very glad to hear you're ok, even though your car most definitely is
not. If nothing else your generosity in sharing your experience will
encourage the rest of us to treat the current driving conditions with
respect. Good luck with the financial resolution.

Regards

Paul


From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Wed Mar  2 07:42:21 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:42:21 EST
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
Message-ID: <1e1.3712d692.2f56c85d@aol.com>

Any chance it would be cheaper to use Jaquemond (sp?) panels?  Could  be a 
way out Sorry to hear the news Tim
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From charles.vanasma at tesco.net  Wed Mar  2 07:58:41 2005
From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (charles.vanasma at tesco.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 7:58:41 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
Message-ID: <20050302075843.ZTZO1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>

Steve

Sorry to hear the bad news i am only one junction down 4a,
should you need any panels, i am sure Paul Anderson could help you out. i also know of a local paintshop just 10 mins from you in Fleet who could sort out the repairs.Some others on the lsit have used them.
Chin up !!!!

Charles S2 86 
> 
> From: Steve Harris <writer at razorgang.com>
> Date: 2005/03/02 Wed AM 03:13:41 GMT
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
> 
> Anyone who's looked at John Speake's JDSPorsche website will have seen my 
> 928S2 on the top right of some of the pages.
> 
> Alas and alack it no longer looks quite like it does on John's site.
> 
> My car hadn't been driven for a couple of weeks so Sunday night about 1am I 
> went for a little blast up the M3.  Not far, only from Basingstoke to the 
> Odiham junction (J5 I think). I exited the motorway, went round the 
> roundabout to drive back, entered the down ramp back on to the M3 and found 
> the only bit of road in the area which hadn't been gritted/salted.
> 
> ice...
> 
> The car spun round (steering didn't do any good at all!) hopped up on the kerb 
> and grass and going backwards, wiped the near side of the car down the 
> barrier.   It bounced off, spun me round again and I managed to catch it this 
> time so I was facing the right way.  Since the engine was still running and 
> the car was still moving I thought now would  be as good a time as any to go 
> home, so I didn't stop.
> 
> When I got to the bottom of the ramp I realised I had no working lights (this 
> was quite easy to establish since I couldn't see a bloody thing!). Oh and 
> something was rubbing on a wheel somewhere.  The motorway was totally empty 
> and I limped home on the hard shoulder.  When I got out of the car the damage 
> was quite surprising. One of the headlights was gone entirely.  The rear 
> nearside quarter panel and the back end panel were stuffed (although the door 
> didn't suffer except for the wing mirror, which was dangling on its wires) 
> and the front wing and bonnet were pretty badly screwed.  The rubbery 
> plasticky bit under the nose of the car was hanging off (I've never known 
> what that bit is called).
> 
> Called my insurer, Quoteline Direct/Groupama, yesterday and they were of the 
> opinion that the car would likely be a write-off given its age (and 
> presumably the cost of panels).  A company called Universal Salvage is due to 
> pick up the car Friday and will apparently advise the insurer on whether or 
> not it would be a viable proposition to repair the car.  Personally I think 
> it'll probably be written off.
> 
> If anyone want to see the pictures they're on http://www.razorgang.com/
> gallery/album37
> 
> Steve
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 



From justin at pressland.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 09:23:42 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:23:42 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446C4C56A@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

just wait until i get started on lightened exhausts........
 
Justin

________________________________

From: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com] 
Sent: 01 March 2005 19:48
To: Pressland, Justin; marcus at randle.org; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 overmats


Gee Whizz
 
9 emails on overmats... is this a record ?? 
Better than oil. wheels and insurance  :o)
 
D
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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Wed Mar  2 08:38:44 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:38:44 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
References: <200503020313.41413.writer@razorgang.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c51f03$5aed6f00$83d47bd5@logic>

ouch yes, a very sad sight...
can you not buy it back off the insurers..?,
or is that not done anymore ?...

Rich
'87 Strosek
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harris" <writer at razorgang.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:13 AM
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!


> Anyone who's looked at John Speake's JDSPorsche website will have seen my
> 928S2 on the top right of some of the pages.
>
> Alas and alack it no longer looks quite like it does on John's site.
>
> My car hadn't been driven for a couple of weeks so Sunday night about 1am
I
> went for a little blast up the M3.  Not far, only from Basingstoke to the
> Odiham junction (J5 I think). I exited the motorway, went round the
> roundabout to drive back, entered the down ramp back on to the M3 and
found
> the only bit of road in the area which hadn't been gritted/salted.
>
> ice...
>
> The car spun round (steering didn't do any good at all!) hopped up on the
kerb
> and grass and going backwards, wiped the near side of the car down the
> barrier.   It bounced off, spun me round again and I managed to catch it
this
> time so I was facing the right way.  Since the engine was still running
and
> the car was still moving I thought now would  be as good a time as any to
go
> home, so I didn't stop.
>
> When I got to the bottom of the ramp I realised I had no working lights
(this
> was quite easy to establish since I couldn't see a bloody thing!). Oh and
> something was rubbing on a wheel somewhere.  The motorway was totally
empty
> and I limped home on the hard shoulder.  When I got out of the car the
damage
> was quite surprising. One of the headlights was gone entirely.  The rear
> nearside quarter panel and the back end panel were stuffed (although the
door
> didn't suffer except for the wing mirror, which was dangling on its wires)
> and the front wing and bonnet were pretty badly screwed.  The rubbery
> plasticky bit under the nose of the car was hanging off (I've never known

> what that bit is called).
>
> Called my insurer, Quoteline Direct/Groupama, yesterday and they were of
the
> opinion that the car would likely be a write-off given its age (and
> presumably the cost of panels).  A company called Universal Salvage is due
to
> pick up the car Friday and will apparently advise the insurer on whether
or
> not it would be a viable proposition to repair the car.  Personally I
think
> it'll probably be written off.
>
> If anyone want to see the pictures they're on http://www.razorgang.com/
> gallery/album37
>
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>



From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  2 11:37:30 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:37:30 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
Message-ID: <BAY101-F367756DAA89764642A10ECFA5A0@phx.gbl>

Made from inconel i hope................


stuart

>From: "Pressland, Justin" <justin at pressland.co.uk>
>To: <Dk928 at aol.com>, <marcus at randle.org>, <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 overmats
>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:23:42 +0100
>
>just wait until i get started on lightened exhausts........
>
>Justin
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com]
>Sent: 01 March 2005 19:48
>To: Pressland, Justin; marcus at randle.org; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 overmats
>
>
>Gee Whizz
>
>9 emails on overmats... is this a record ??
>Better than oil. wheels and insurance  :o)
>
>D
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk




From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 12:21:22 2005
From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM  ROBERTSON)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:21:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
References: <200503020313.41413.writer@razorgang.com>
Message-ID: <006301c51f22$59d75300$4f2386d9@CARLTONCOURT>

Yes Steve, glad you are OK that's the main thing. As someone else said speak 
to Paul Anderson...he probably has the parts on donor cars in his yard and I 
've seen him fix a car that headbutted a telegraph pole or something that 
shape ...good luck anyway, regards, Bill.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harris" <writer at razorgang.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:13 AM
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!


> Anyone who's looked at John Speake's JDSPorsche website will have seen my
> 928S2 on the top right of some of the pages.
>
> Alas and alack it no longer looks quite like it does on John's site.
>
> My car hadn't been driven for a couple of weeks so Sunday night about 1am 
> I
> went for a little blast up the M3.  Not far, only from Basingstoke to the
> Odiham junction (J5 I think). I exited the motorway, went round the
> roundabout to drive back, entered the down ramp back on to the M3 and 
> found
> the only bit of road in the area which hadn't been gritted/salted.
>
> ice...
>
> The car spun round (steering didn't do any good at all!) hopped up on the 
> kerb
> and grass and going backwards, wiped the near side of the car down the
> barrier.   It bounced off, spun me round again and I managed to catch it 
> this
> time so I was facing the right way.  Since the engine was still running 
> and
> the car was still moving I thought now would  be as good a time as any to 
> go
> home, so I didn't stop.
>
> When I got to the bottom of the ramp I realised I had no working lights 
> (this
> was quite easy to establish since I couldn't see a bloody thing!). Oh and
> something was rubbing on a wheel somewhere.  The motorway was totally 
> empty
> and I limped home on the hard shoulder.  When I got out of the car the 
> damage
> was quite surprising. One of the headlights was gone entirely.  The rear
> nearside quarter panel and the back end panel were stuffed (although the 
> door
> didn't suffer except for the wing mirror, which was dangling on its wires)
> and the front wing and bonnet were pretty badly screwed.  The rubbery
> plasticky bit under the nose of the car was hanging off (I've never known
> what that bit is called).
>
> Called my insurer, Quoteline Direct/Groupama, yesterday and they were of 
> the
> opinion that the car would likely be a write-off given its age (and
> presumably the cost of panels).  A company called Universal Salvage is due 
> to
> pick up the car Friday and will apparently advise the insurer on whether 
> or
> not it would be a viable proposition to repair the car.  Personally I 
> think
> it'll probably be written off.
>
> If anyone want to see the pictures they're on http://www.razorgang.com/
> gallery/album37
>
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Wed Mar  2 13:24:53 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:24:53 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Paul Anderson Location & Exhausts
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A85D@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Stuart - yes, I stand corrected... I checked up in PET & the WSM and the early exhaust systems were a real mixture. Your early twin pipe ('side-by-side' pipes under car) was originally supplied in separate pieces (front, mid, rear sections), but the pipes of the rear section are inserted into the centre box and welded in position once hung on the car. The WSM even describes how to separate the centre & rear sections again! The single pipe early systems employ a metal sleeve to join the (single pipe) centre & rear sections, which then has to be welded around the sleeve. Other early single pipe systems had square bolted flanges between centre pipe and rear box. I didn't realise there were so many designs.

Glad you like your RMB - it really unleashes that V8 sound doesn't it! (without being unpleasantly loud)

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Lawrence [mailto:stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk]

Scott,

Had the RMB fitted today - now sounds as fast as it is! Turns out the rear
box, centre box and some pipe beyond that to the front box is all one piece.
The first (and only) set of clamps are immediately after to front box. The
original system on my car is not like an S4 system going either side of the
car but basically two separate pipes going into a common centre box - you
will see if you have a look at PET.

Stuart.

-----Original Message-----
From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com]

Hi Stuart,

No, I didn't know that the early cars had welded centre & rear exhaust
sections. Sounds a crazy idea bearing in mind that you've got left & right
side centre sections coming together at the rear box - would be tricky to
fit!

I'll check the PET and see what it lists on exhaust system parts for early
cars.

Cheers,
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Lawrence [mailto:stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk]

Thanks for all the directions - should find it no problem.

Scott, Unfortunately my exhaust does not have clamp on sections, it is fully
welded (at least I think the rear and centre boxes are one piece and this
clamps onto the front box). I'm sure someone will put me right here but I
think all early (twin pipe) cars had welded rear and centre section exhausts
and the 'clamp together' type came into being with late S2 (1986) onwards?

Stuart
1985 S2.


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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Wed Mar  2 14:03:08 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:03:08 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A85E@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Hi Steve - what a nightmare, commiserations to you. You can take solace in the fact that you're not alone though - this style of "incident" has been seen several times... I've even experienced it myself. It's a real gutter. Did you try to correct the spin by applying opposite lock? I did (unsuccessfully due to the low grip slippery surface, as in your case), and ended up with damage in similar places to you from the crash barrier. Was it the inside or outside of the bend where you met with the barrier?

I'm afraid to say that your damage does look quite heavy. Looks like you've caught your bonnet, front bumper, n/s front wing, n/s door (nr. handle), n/s rear wing and rear bumper to the level of needing new panels (maybe not the door). Is the n/s inner wing (under the bonnet) damaged at all, or any other creases visible around the car? Did lower edge of rear hatch escape damage? Check the panel gap sizes on the offside (around door/hatch) to see if any chassis flex has occurred (hopefully not - these are strong cars!).

The usual rule of thumb is "don't let the salvage guys take your car away", because if you decide to keep the car (usually only costs 10% of your insurance payout) & repair it with 2nd hand panels, you've then got to get it back (which is not always easy/possible). It's definitely worth taking a load of pics & sending them to someone like Paul A to get a repair opinion and ballpark cost (2nd hand panels + labour + painting). You'll also need to be prepared to haggle with the insurance co. on the value of your car - they always try to fleece you with a ridiculously low first offer. Once you've got a better offer you can then decide whether to go the repair route or take all the money & buy a replacement car.

Keep in touch and let us know what happens. Glad you're okay, and I'm sure you'll end up with a nice straight 928 again soon!

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Steve Harris

Anyone who's looked at John Speake's JDSPorsche website will have seen my 
928S2 on the top right of some of the pages.

Alas and alack it no longer looks quite like it does on John's site.

>>

Called my insurer, Quoteline Direct/Groupama, yesterday and they were of the 
opinion that the car would likely be a write-off given its age (and 
presumably the cost of panels).  A company called Universal Salvage is due to 
pick up the car Friday and will apparently advise the insurer on whether or 
not it would be a viable proposition to repair the car.  Personally I think 
it'll probably be written off.

Steve

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From dick at euroseti.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 15:10:09 2005
From: dick at euroseti.fsnet.co.uk (richard fairbairn)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:10:09 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
Message-ID: <005c01c51f39$edf3c520$df8b4c51@dickmobile>

I can only add my voice to those who sent commiserations
Its like loosing a friend isn't it
best regards
dick
1985 928s
Reg ODF 928
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From david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 16:52:18 2005
From: david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk (Dave Morgan)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:52:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Test Drive Magazine
Message-ID: <200503021652.j22GqRc17060@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hello All,

 

You may have read my email to the list back in January regarding a photo
shoot in Wales by Test Drive magazine. Well it's out today for all to read
(April issue). 

 

I was a little anxious at the time, as the weather was not too favourable;
however I am very pleased with the photographs that Nathan Morgan managed to
capture. The article covers three pages, and journalist Angus Frazer makes
some interesting comparisons, especially the one with Crocodile Dundee! It
did make me smile, and I couldn't agree more. 

 

I won't bore you any longer, best read it for yourselves.

 

Best regards,

 

Dave.

 

Guards Red GT.

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From info at jdsporsche.com  Wed Mar  2 17:25:13 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:25:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Test Drive Magazine
References: <200503021652.j22GqRc17060@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001a01c51f4c$cb650ce0$b999c8ac@aoldsl.net>

You may have read my email to the list back in January regarding a photo shoot in Wales by Test Drive magazine. Well it's out today for all to read (April issue). 
   

  I was a little anxious at the time, as the weather was not too favourable; however I am very pleased with the photographs that Nathan Morgan managed to capture. The article covers three pages, and journalist Angus Frazer makes some interesting comparisons, especially the one with Crocodile Dundee! It did make me smile, and I couldn't agree more. 

   

  I won't bore you any longer, best read it for yourselves.

   

  Best regards,

   

  Dave.

   >>>>>>>>>

  OK Dave,

  Glad the article turned out well !



  Regards



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From t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com  Wed Mar  2 17:57:29 2005
From: t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com (T R Hennessy)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:57:29 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A85E@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050302175729.00c226a0@mail.btinternet.com>

Going for a power burn in a supercar at 1.00am on perhaps the coldest night
of the year probably indicates that a woman is involved somehow.  I usually
go for a walk to calm down, preferably barefoot!  I may have blisters on my
feet but I still have my beloved 928 intact!

Commiserations!

TomH



From Dk928 at aol.com  Wed Mar  2 18:11:38 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:11:38 EST
Subject: [928uk] Ouch!
Message-ID: <15c.4b500251.2f575bda@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 02/03/05 18:05:41 GMT Standard Time,  
t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com writes:

Going  for a power burn in a supercar at 1.00am on perhaps the coldest night
of  the year probably indicates that a woman is involved  somehow. 


How very sexist !!
Anyway that aint any of our business. 
Sorry to hear about your prang Steve... and glad you're ok.
 
Regards
Dave
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From georgegita at fugue21.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 19:09:22 2005
From: georgegita at fugue21.fsnet.co.uk (George Weitz)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:09:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 overmats
References: <75.400d7d63.2f5620de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c51f5b$5991f5b0$2a4f893e@pcb12631bdaf50>


I think you missed brake pads, ok a bit of a poor relation compared to oil but always puts in a strong score.....


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dk928 at aol.com 
  To: justin at pressland.co.uk ; marcus at randle.org ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 overmats


  Gee Whizz

  9 emails on overmats... is this a record ?? 
  Better than oil. wheels and insurance  :o)

  D


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From cammackmartin at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  2 19:49:13 2005
From: cammackmartin at hotmail.com (rich martin)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:49:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Tools
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV18214182A65D294DEED174A95A0@phx.gbl>

Can anyone tell me what type and range I should go for if I'm going to buy a torque wrench, spline socket and standard socket set for the car. Thinking about doing the rear breaks soon so need some tools.

Rich
Manual S4
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From t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com  Wed Mar  2 21:01:05 2005
From: t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com (T R Hennessy)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:01:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Tools
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV18214182A65D294DEED174A95A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050302210105.00c226a0@mail.btinternet.com>

Rich

If you are planning to do some serious maintenance on your car, I would
suggest that you need two torque wrenches.

1.  0 - 50 Nm, 3/8 inch drive, preferable with a drag pointer or light
switch to reveal when the preset torque is  reached (reason: to be able to
torque nuts in awkward/ concealed positions when you can't read the dial) 
2. 0 - 250 NM, 1/2 inch drive, ratchet with a click action which operates
when the preset torque is reached.
(reason when you are exerting a very large torque, it is often impossible
to read a dial accurately, even if dial type may be visible).

Tools with less than these features may, of course, be found at Halford's
etc, but you will not get total satisfaction in using them.  If you want
the best torque wrenches and sockets on the market, then I suggest you
consult any general practitioner (of car mechanicis)!  

TomH


At 19:49 02/03/2005 -0000, rich martin wrote:
>   Can anyone tell me what type and range I should go  for if I'm going to
>buy a torque wrench, spline socket and standard socket set  for the car.
>Thinking about doing the rear breaks soon so need some  tools.   Rich
>Manual S4 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing
>list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From porschespares at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 21:08:58 2005
From: porschespares at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:08:58 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Tools
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV18214182A65D294DEED174A95A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <NIBBKENAOLIBJFOIEHLFKEIGDAAA.porschespares@blueyonder.co.uk>

Rich,

You will need a 19mm ring spanner to remove the caliper, an impact driver to
remove the disc holding screws, a wire brush to remove any corrosion from
the hub before fitting the new disc, some brake cleaner to dampen down the
dust and to remove the oily protection from the new disc.

Machine mart are selling some good stuff at the moment under the clarke pro
name, all with lifetime gaurantee.So you can return it and they will replace
it with new if you break it.

A good allen key socket set is also a good idea to get if you ever have to
do the front brakes, from memory the only splined bolts present on the cars
are holding the flywheel to the crank so you will hopefully never need
them!.

A piston retaction tool is also handy but not really neccesary and can be
done with a screwdriver instead but be carefull of the rubber seals
surrounding the pistons.

Hope this helps,

Paul

  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of rich martin
  Sent: 02 March 2005 19:49
  To: 928uk
  Subject: [928uk] Tools


  Can anyone tell me what type and range I should go for if I'm going to buy
a torque wrench, spline socket and standard socket set for the car. Thinking
about doing the rear breaks soon so need some tools.

  Rich
  Manual S4
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From Dk928 at aol.com  Wed Mar  2 22:19:53 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:19:53 EST
Subject: [928uk] Tools
Message-ID: <62.4fe4d597.2f579609@aol.com>

Hi Rich
Apart from the very handy 14lb hammer I mentioned earlier... Draper  
Automotive can supply you with everything you're likely to need....pricey but  good !!
 
_On-Line  Catalogue_ 
(http://www.drapertools.com/draper/Templates/draper/MainScreen.asp)  
 
Dave
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From paul at paullacey.com  Wed Mar  2 22:27:18 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:27:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Tools
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV18214182A65D294DEED174A95A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAA6nfhf4QsoUaQFVicC9ttlwEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi Rich,
I have the items below and the quality is excellent. The socket set will
fit everything on your car. The two torque wrenches will also cover
everything you need.
If later on you are going more adventurous and looking at cam belt etc.
you will then need to add some extra things like a deep 27mm socket,
flywheel lock (definitely not Halfords), and a pair of 24/27mm spanners.

Halfords Pro 150pc Socket Set 
Item code: 370635-0
price   ?149.99 (inc. VAT)

Halfords Pro Torque Wrench 8-60Nm   
Item code: 200238-0
price   ?49.99 (inc. VAT)

Halfords Pro Torque Wrench 60-300Nm   
Item code: 200295-0
price   ?59.99 (inc. VAT)

The other advantage with Halfords is you can order it all on-line should
you wish to.

Paul 
'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of rich martin
Sent: 02 March 2005 19:49
To: 928uk
Subject: [928uk] Tools


Can anyone tell me what type and range I should go for if I'm going to
buy a torque wrench, spline socket and standard socket set for the car.
Thinking about doing the rear breaks soon so need some tools.

Rich
Manual S4



From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 04:46:23 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 04:46:23 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Tools
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAA6nfhf4QsoUaQFVicC9ttlwEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
References: <BAY101-DAV18214182A65D294DEED174A95A0@phx.gbl>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAA6nfhf4QsoUaQFVicC9ttlwEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <98697a4305030220466184dac7@mail.gmail.com>

The cam shaft bearing cap bolts also have splined heads, but you
really don't want to go there unless you have to...

An impact driver may allow you to remove the small machine screws
holding the discs, but the chances are you'll have to drill the heads
and then use an "Eazy Out" type screw extractor.

I've never bothered with a piston retraction tool, but the pistons are
very soft and damage very easily, unlike steel ones.

Because of the age of these cars, most parts you have to remove have
usually either siezed or suffered some sort of corrosion, therefore it
is absolutely essential that you use the most appropriate tool. If you
use an open spanner, when you should have used a socket on a torque
wrench, you are likely to damage the fastner and make your job ten
times harder.

If you ever go to the US then visit Sears and buy your tools there,
Craftsman tools are high quality and much better value than anything
you can buy here. They also have a lifetime warranty (although I admit
it may be difficult to take advantage of this).

http://www.sears.com/craftsman

When you've spent all your money there, head off to Harbor Frieght
where you will find things at amazing prices (although not the same
quality) for instance a coil spring compressor for $11, which would
cost bout ?20 in Halfords

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3980

You will also find that you can get pads on eBay for under ?20, I got
some rears branded Apec for ?16. Check the discs for wear too, they're
not absurdly expensive, about ?100 per pair (front or rear) from
EuroParts or GSF.

Good luck

Paul
87 S4 Manual (the other Dererk Bell car)


From marton at befree.ch  Thu Mar  3 06:38:27 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:38:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tools
References: <BAY101-DAV18214182A65D294DEED174A95A0@phx.gbl><!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAA6nfhf4QsoUaQFVicC9ttlwEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
	<98697a4305030220466184dac7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c51fbb$9b40fc80$0500000a@simone>

after some hours working in those confined spaces you will find some sort of
balm or salve and finger bandages very useful.

finaly finished fitting my repaired radiator last night, started first turn
of the key after 2 months off the road (i did charge the battery) and ran it
for 20 minutes; everything looked OK.  Taking my first drive this morning,
fingers crossed - outside temp is up today ony -11.

Marton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "rich martin" <cammackmartin at hotmail.com>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Tools


> The cam shaft bearing cap bolts also have splined heads, but you
> really don't want to go there unless you have to...
>
> An impact driver may allow you to remove the small machine screws
> holding the discs, but the chances are you'll have to drill the heads
> and then use an "Eazy Out" type screw extractor.
>
> I've never bothered with a piston retraction tool, but the pistons are
> very soft and damage very easily, unlike steel ones.
>
> Because of the age of these cars, most parts you have to remove have
> usually either siezed or suffered some sort of corrosion, therefore it
> is absolutely essential that you use the most appropriate tool. If you
> use an open spanner, when you should have used a socket on a torque
> wrench, you are likely to damage the fastner and make your job ten
> times harder.
>
> If you ever go to the US then visit Sears and buy your tools there,
> Craftsman tools are high quality and much better value than anything
> you can buy here. They also have a lifetime warranty (although I admit
> it may be difficult to take advantage of this).
>
> http://www.sears.com/craftsman
>
> When you've spent all your money there, head off to Harbor Frieght
> where you will find things at amazing prices (although not the same
> quality) for instance a coil spring compressor for $11, which would
> cost bout ?20 in Halfords
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3980
>
> You will also find that you can get pads on eBay for under ?20, I got
> some rears branded Apec for ?16. Check the discs for wear too, they're
> not absurdly expensive, about ?100 per pair (front or rear) from
> EuroParts or GSF.
>
> Good luck
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual (the other Dererk Bell car)
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From Chris at profileresourcing.com  Thu Mar  3 08:41:52 2005
From: Chris at profileresourcing.com (Chris at profileresourcing.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:41:52 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Tools
Message-ID: <B65870CCD829AD4B9C4A34293804E8894A55D9@excalit03.excal.excalsolutions.co.uk>

I would 2nd the craftsmen tools. Excellent value and superb tools. If you ever go to the states/Canada then it is definitely worth getting them.
My Dad has a set and took back his 1/4 inch ratchet after having it for 30 years and it was replaced without hesitation! Alright for them as they have a place in Florida and travel there 2/3 times a year. You can buy these tools on ebay though I guess that shipping may be too expensive?
As good as Snap-on in my opinion!

 Chris Weatherill
 

 
Profile Resourcing Ltd
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-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 03 March 2005 04:46
To: rich martin
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Tools

The cam shaft bearing cap bolts also have splined heads, but you
really don't want to go there unless you have to...

An impact driver may allow you to remove the small machine screws
holding the discs, but the chances are you'll have to drill the heads
and then use an "Eazy Out" type screw extractor.

I've never bothered with a piston retraction tool, but the pistons are
very soft and damage very easily, unlike steel ones.

Because of the age of these cars, most parts you have to remove have
usually either siezed or suffered some sort of corrosion, therefore it
is absolutely essential that you use the most appropriate tool. If you
use an open spanner, when you should have used a socket on a torque
wrench, you are likely to damage the fastner and make your job ten
times harder.

If you ever go to the US then visit Sears and buy your tools there,
Craftsman tools are high quality and much better value than anything
you can buy here. They also have a lifetime warranty (although I admit
it may be difficult to take advantage of this).

http://www.sears.com/craftsman

When you've spent all your money there, head off to Harbor Frieght
where you will find things at amazing prices (although not the same
quality) for instance a coil spring compressor for $11, which would
cost bout ?20 in Halfords

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3980

You will also find that you can get pads on eBay for under ?20, I got
some rears branded Apec for ?16. Check the discs for wear too, they're
not absurdly expensive, about ?100 per pair (front or rear) from
EuroParts or GSF.

Good luck

Paul
87 S4 Manual (the other Dererk Bell car)
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Thu Mar  3 13:49:22 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:49:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Test Drive Magazine
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Dave - I liked the article (esp. the Croc Dundee analogy), nice piccies too.
 
But did they misquote you on the rather pessimistic mpg figures? (8 & 15mpg) I ran my GT as my everyday car for a year covering 50 motorway miles a day and got 23/24mpg for modest motorway cruising - (i.e. 70-85mph), and maybe 16mpg around town (roundabouts/traffic lights, but not sitting in traffic jams!). Average mpg for mixed driving was around the 20mpg mark. I think that's pretty good for a 5L V8!
 
And running the car everyday doesn't need particularly deep pockets if you compare it against running a new-ish car with the obligatory main dealer scheduled services and depreciation factors. The fuel, tyre & insurance costs are slightly higher than your average Eurobox, but not horrendous (maybe 1.5 times the cost - unless you're talking high mpg diesel Eurobox). Very reliable too in daily use (only had to stop once in peak summer heat when rad hose blew).
 
By comparison, my current daily driver (forced on me by the need for a 'family bus'), a Vx Omega Estate with 3L V6 petrol engine does around 24mpg average and costs ?55-60 to fill up instead of c.?65 for the 928. Tyres are ?80 instead of ?100-120 and insurance is ?400pa instead of ?600pa.
 
If it wasn't for those pesky kids... but then "you makes your choices".
 
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dave Morgan


 

You may have read my email to the list back in January regarding a photo shoot in Wales by Test Drive magazine. Well it's out today for all to read (April issue). 

 

I was a little anxious at the time, as the weather was not too favourable; however I am very pleased with the photographs that Nathan Morgan managed to capture. The article covers three pages, and journalist Angus Frazer makes some interesting comparisons, especially the one with Crocodile Dundee! It did make me smile, and I couldn't agree more. 

 

I won't bore you any longer, best read it for yourselves.

 

Best regards,

 

Dave.

 

Guards Red GT.

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From titters at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  3 15:34:32 2005
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:34:32 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c52006$7f0dca70$24b29951@weasel>

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=159894

Looks nice.


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From titters at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  3 15:35:39 2005
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:35:39 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Test Drive Magazine
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c52006$a757d110$24b29951@weasel>

On the mpg - just back from France did 1200 miles - got 22.5 mpg on the
whole trip - and got 30mpg when the cruise was on sitting at 60mph (too many
F**king coppers with their new laser toys...

I was well chuffed with the mpg.


> But did they misquote you on the rather pessimistic mpg figures? (8 & 
> 15mpg) I ran my GT as my everyday car for a year covering 50 motorway 
> miles a day and got 23/24mpg for modest motorway cruising - (i.e. 
> 70-85mph), and maybe 16mpg around town (roundabouts/traffic lights, but 
> not sitting in traffic jams!). Average mpg for mixed driving was around 
> the 20mpg mark. I think that's pretty good for a 5L V8!
>



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From titters at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  3 15:39:49 2005
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:39:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
	<002e01c52006$7f0dca70$24b29951@weasel>
Message-ID: <004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel>

Any german speakers out that that can translate?

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/77599


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From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  3 15:50:28 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:50:28 +0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
In-Reply-To: <004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F65DC34615638755FF80E2FA5B0@phx.gbl>

Try this http://world.altavista.com/ for translation.


Stuart

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>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?
>Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:39:49 -0000
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>Any german speakers out that that can translate?
>
>http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/77599
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Thu Mar  3 16:15:05 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:15:05 EST
Subject: [928uk] Test Drive Magazine
Message-ID: <e5.e3751f3.2f589209@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 03/03/2005 15:42:35 GMT Standard Time,  
titters at btinternet.com writes:

coppers  with their new laser toys


Too right, last time i got 19.9 mpg at an average 110mph; wouldn't dare  risk 
that now Tim'92gts
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From alanb at 928.org.uk  Thu Mar  3 16:17:12 2005
From: alanb at 928.org.uk (Alan Baldwin)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:17:12 +0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
In-Reply-To: <004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel>
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
	<002e01c52006$7f0dca70$24b29951@weasel>
	<004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel>
Message-ID: <3bf261ebef6ee051ae71cb806dc6bff0@928.org.uk>

My rusty German gives this.

In 2009 Porsche will  bring a 4 door GT with a V8 or V10 motor.  The 
concept is likely to be presented to the IAA in the autumn.
Cayman will be the Boxster Coupe (debuts to the IAA in the Autumn), the 
Panamera will become the fourth sportscar model in the line up.  The 
Stuttgart based sportscar maker registered both names on the same day 
(15.1.2004)with the german trade mark agency.

Porsche intends to present in the autumn this year wants its concept 
for the fourth Porsche series. Key features: four-door and four seats 
front engine with rear and all-wheel drive, V8 and V10 engines ranging 
from 340 to over 600 HP.

The price set to be between 100,000Eu and 150,000Eu. 20,000 units 
annually are planned, production to begin in 2009.


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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Thu Mar  3 17:01:39 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:01:39 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Castle Combe
Message-ID: <C0fxgFWzL0JCFwZy@ritech-systems.com>

We have enough for the trackday, but since increasing the number of cars 
on the track we can take a few more comfortably, so if anyone is still 
sitting on the fence.....
Get off it and email me!

Richard
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www.ritech-systems.com
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From marton at befree.ch  Thu Mar  3 17:08:55 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:08:55 +0100
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com><002e01c52006$7f0dca70$24b29951@weasel>
	<004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel>
Message-ID: <00ff01c52013$aec460a0$0500000a@simone>

concept model called Panamera

V8 & V10 models, 4 door and 4 seats but you have to wait until 2009 to buy
one - price guide 100 to 150K euros...

marton

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To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


> Any german speakers out that that can translate?
>
> http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/77599
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From Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com  Thu Mar  3 18:03:14 2005
From: Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com (Phil Shotton)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:03:14 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Test Drive Magazine
In-Reply-To: <003b01c52006$a757d110$24b29951@weasel>
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
	<003b01c52006$a757d110$24b29951@weasel>
Message-ID: <42275162.8030208@irisfinancial.com>

My GTS routinely used to return between 18.3 and 18.7 mpg - used as my 
daily driver doing 6 mile trips to the station alternating daily with 40 
mile trips. Now winter's here and it's also due for a service, I'm 
getting 17.5 - 17.9 for the same usage pattern. I get around 20 mpg 
cruising at a steady xx mph on the motorway ;-)
I don't think that's bad for a 5.4L V8 - driven reasonably hard (well I 
have to make sure it's warmed up on the short journeys).

Phil

Iain Titterington wrote:

> On the mpg - just back from France did 1200 miles - got 22.5 mpg on the
> whole trip - and got 30mpg when the cruise was on sitting at 60mph 
> (too many
> F**king coppers with their new laser toys...
>
> I was well chuffed with the mpg.
>
>
>> But did they misquote you on the rather pessimistic mpg figures? (8 & 
>> 15mpg) I ran my GT as my everyday car for a year covering 50 motorway 
>> miles a day and got 23/24mpg for modest motorway cruising - (i.e. 
>> 70-85mph), and maybe 16mpg around town (roundabouts/traffic lights, 
>> but not sitting in traffic jams!). Average mpg for mixed driving was 
>> around the 20mpg mark. I think that's pretty good for a 5L V8!
>>
>
>



From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Mar  3 18:30:45 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:30:45 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com><002e01c52006$7f0dca70$24b29951@weasel><004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel>
	<00ff01c52013$aec460a0$0500000a@simone>
Message-ID: <000801c5201f$1dbb0d00$bf83c8ac@aoldsl.net>



> concept model called Panamera
> 
>>>>>>>>
What a crap name.......

John


From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Thu Mar  3 18:48:22 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:48:22 EST
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
Message-ID: <15a.4ba06a05.2f58b5f6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 03/03/2005 18:40:39 GMT Standard Time,  
info at jdsporsche.com writes:

What a  crap name.......


We've had 996, 997, soon should be time for a 1000 shouldn't it?  Tim
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From ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Mar  3 19:10:38 2005
From: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk (Ian & Lynn)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:10:38 -0000
Subject: [928uk] S4 Steering wheel removal
Message-ID: <000601c52024$afd21760$0202a8c0@orac>

Dear All,

Does anyone know what is involved in removing a standard 928 S4 steering wheel (what tools are required)? - also, does anyone know what size is the centre retaining nut is?

Please don't think I'm just too lazy too look for my self - it's just that my car is 100 miles away from me at the moment!

MANY thanks

Ian

1989 Black S4
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Mar  3 20:35:10 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:35:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <15a.4ba06a05.2f58b5f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c52030$7f66f4e0$bf83c8ac@aoldsl.net>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com 
  To: info at jdsporsche.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


  In a message dated 03/03/2005 18:40:39 GMT Standard Time, info at jdsporsche.com writes:
    What a crap name.......
  We've had 996, 997, soon should be time for a 1000 shouldn't it? Tim
  >>>>>>>>>
  Ok, perhaps they should call it 0/10   :-)

  John
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From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  3 21:01:11 2005
From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:01:11 -0000
Subject: [928uk] S4 Steering wheel removal
References: <000601c52024$afd21760$0202a8c0@orac>
Message-ID: <004b01c52034$21279e80$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>

Ian

Pull ogg the horn pad carefully. 27mm nut in centre of wheel, steering wheel should then come off.

Paul 86S2
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ian & Lynn 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:10 PM
  Subject: [928uk] S4 Steering wheel removal


  Dear All,

  Does anyone know what is involved in removing a standard 928 S4 steering wheel (what tools are required)? - also, does anyone know what size is the centre retaining nut is?

  Please don't think I'm just too lazy too look for my self - it's just that my car is 100 miles away from me at the moment!

  MANY thanks

  Ian

  1989 Black S4


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From marton at befree.ch  Thu Mar  3 21:03:03 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:03:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <15a.4ba06a05.2f58b5f6@aol.com>
	<000c01c52030$7f66f4e0$bf83c8ac@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <004701c52034$645c83a0$0500000a@simone>

how about adding nothing to a 928 = 9280
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  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:35 PM
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    To: info at jdsporsche.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


    In a message dated 03/03/2005 18:40:39 GMT Standard Time, info at jdsporsche.com writes:
      What a crap name.......
    We've had 996, 997, soon should be time for a 1000 shouldn't it? Tim
    >>>>>>>>>
    Ok, perhaps they should call it 0/10   :-)

    John


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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Mar  3 21:44:43 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:44:43 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] S4 Steering wheel removal
In-Reply-To: <004b01c52034$21279e80$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>
Message-ID: <200503032144.j23Liicd019578@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Paul Thorn wrote:
> 
> Pull ogg the horn pad carefully. 27mm nut in centre of wheel,
> steering wheel should then come off.

I have found that gently punching the horn boss from behind
produces good results.

Make sure you torque it up correctly when you put it back,
lest your next post be "my steering wheel wobbles"....


-- 
Phil

I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.
        -- Joe Walsh (1947--), U.S. singer


From tassos at book2eat.com  Thu Mar  3 22:23:22 2005
From: tassos at book2eat.com (Tassos Stassinopoulos)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:23:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <15a.4ba06a05.2f58b5f6@aol.com><000c01c52030$7f66f4e0$bf83c8ac@aoldsl.net>
	<004701c52034$645c83a0$0500000a@simone>
Message-ID: <003101c5203f$9c9005c0$0b00a8c0@tassos2>

How about 928 Kalimera (as in Carrera, but means Good morning in Greek...), it's better than Panamera, and symbolises the return of our favourite car.

OK, I know it is not a good one... 

T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: marton 
  To: John Speake ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


  how about adding nothing to a 928 = 9280
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    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:35 PM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?



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      From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com 
      To: info at jdsporsche.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
      Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


      In a message dated 03/03/2005 18:40:39 GMT Standard Time, info at jdsporsche.com writes:
        What a crap name.......
      We've had 996, 997, soon should be time for a 1000 shouldn't it? Tim
      >>>>>>>>>
      Ok, perhaps they should call it 0/10   :-)

      John


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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Mar  3 22:36:40 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:36:40 GMT
Subject: [928uk] S4 Steering wheel removal
Message-ID: <20050303223640.4A24341D23F@viper.snap.net.nz>

Its the odd socket that doesn't match the rest of the set, I'm sorry I 
can't check the size, its in a container on a ship, thousands of miles 
away.

And just in case you've never done it before, undo the nut, but leave the 
nut on, pull the wheel to break the grip on the taper, then when it is 
loose remove the nut. The alternative method will leave you with a bruised 
face.

Smiffy

> Dear All,
> 
> Does anyone know what is involved in removing a standard 928 S4 steering
> wheel (what tools are required)? - also, does anyone know what size is
> the centre retaining nut is?
> 
> Please don't think I'm just too lazy too look for my self - it's just
> that my car is 100 miles away from me at the moment!
> 
> MANY thanks
> 
> Ian
> 
> 1989 Black S4
1989 Black S4




From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Mar  4 08:11:08 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:11:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com><002e01c52006$7f0dca70$24b29951@weasel><004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel><00ff01c52013$aec460a0$0500000a@simone>
	<000801c5201f$1dbb0d00$bf83c8ac@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <005401c52091$b83cdb70$025b48c3@XJDW>

  Obviously designed primarily for the US market, so marketing wise, not a
bad name at all i think.

  Cheers,
  Jerry

  >
  >
  > > concept model called Panamera
  > >
  > >>>>>>>>
  > What a crap name.......
  >
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From drnickyeah at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  4 08:46:01 2005
From: drnickyeah at hotmail.com (nicholas skudder)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:46:01 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 engine available
Message-ID: <BAY14-F25A57AD5AB17B3C0241251C35C0@phx.gbl>

does anyone need an engine?  mine will be coming out and replaced with a 32v 
soon, the engine and automatic transmission will be at chris sandersons 
workshop.  email me if interested.

nick.

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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Fri Mar  4 08:42:17 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:42:17 -0000
Subject: [928uk] SW meet Sat. March 5th (tomorrow)
Message-ID: <004301c52096$127ea4c0$091c8851@logic>

Anymore for our local South West meet tomorrow ?...
come on exercise those 928's after the winter.....

Swan PH, Tockington, near Bristol. 1300 hrs. onwards. 
Hans will be there from 12.30 ish 
the food is pretty good. Be there or be square. 928's not essential

Rich
'87 Strosek
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From ddevilder at datamonitor.com  Fri Mar  4 09:02:51 2005
From: ddevilder at datamonitor.com (Diederik de Vilder)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:02:51 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
Message-ID: <E0CFB60F9B9A9747BF6DCB546E21A5D901667D6E@limpopo.datamonitor.com>

If I remember correctly, Porsche built a prototype 911 back in the late eighties called Panamerica. Maybe they couldn't license that name so they went for an abbreviation...

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Tassos Stassinopoulos
Sent: 03 March 2005 22:23
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


How about 928 Kalimera (as in Carrera, but means Good morning in Greek...), it's better than Panamera, and symbolises the return of our favourite car.
 
OK, I know it is not a good one... 
 
T.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: marton <mailto:marton at befree.ch>  
To: John Speake <mailto:info at jdsporsche.com>  ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?

how about adding nothing to a 928 = 9280

----- Original Message ----- 
From: John  <mailto:info at jdsporsche.com> Speake 
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?

 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com 
To: info at jdsporsche.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


In a message dated 03/03/2005 18:40:39 GMT Standard Time, info at jdsporsche.com writes:

What a crap name.......

We've had 996, 997, soon should be time for a 1000 shouldn't it? Tim
>>>>>>>>>
Ok, perhaps they should call it 0/10   :-)
 
John



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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 09:06:27 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:06:27 EST
Subject: [928uk] SW meet Sat. March 5th (tomorrow)
Message-ID: <196.3a0da2a9.2f597f13@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 04/03/2005 08:52:10 GMT Standard Time,  
fullworx at btconnect.com writes:

after  the winter


!!! Blizzard here, minus three. glad i've only got 250 miles to do. So we  
call this spring? Have a good weekend Tim
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 09:08:02 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:08:02 EST
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
Message-ID: <195.3a267b4a.2f597f72@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 04/03/2005 08:14:40 GMT Standard Time,  
jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com writes:

Obviously designed primarily for the US market, so marketing wise, not  a
bad name at all i think.



Would be good if they did a 2 door 2+2 version T
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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Fri Mar  4 11:00:56 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:00:56 -0000
Subject: [928uk] SW meet Sat. March 5th (tomorrow)
References: <196.3a0da2a9.2f597f13@aol.com>
Message-ID: <095401c520a9$7190bd00$6c168851@logic>


lovely day here Tim,
out washing the cars, maybe a little nippy, just had a t-shirt on...

Rich
'87 Strosek
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com 
  To: fullworx at btconnect.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] SW meet Sat. March 5th (tomorrow)


  In a message dated 04/03/2005 08:52:10 GMT Standard Time, fullworx at btconnect.com writes:
    after the winter
  !!! Blizzard here, minus three. glad i've only got 250 miles to do. So we call this spring? Have a good weekend Tim
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 12:39:33 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:39:33 EST
Subject: [928uk] SW meet Sat. March 5th (tomorrow)
Message-ID: <129.57f499dd.2f59b105@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 04/03/2005 11:10:13 GMT Standard Time,  
fullworx at btconnect.com writes:

maybe a  little nippy, just had a t-shirt on


Going from bad to worse here, just turned round and come home again as 7  
accidents on A14, hope you're not using all your good weather up before  
Glastonbury again! T
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From graham.manning at tso.co.uk  Fri Mar  4 12:46:29 2005
From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:46:29 -0000
Subject: [928uk] SW meet Sat. March 5th (tomorrow)
Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61508A1FCC8@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk>

It took me over 7 hours to get from Basingstoke to Norwich on Wednesday evening. Not so much because of bad weather, but mostly because of bad driving causing accidents on the M25, M11, A10, A414, M11, A14, A11...
 
I'm sure it was a conspiracy.
 
- Graham

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:40 PM
To: fullworx at btconnect.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
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In a message dated 04/03/2005 11:10:13 GMT Standard Time, fullworx at btconnect.com writes:

maybe a little nippy, just had a t-shirt on

Going from bad to worse here, just turned round and come home again as 7 accidents on A14, hope you're not using all your good weather up before Glastonbury again! T


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From willsco at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 14:58:47 2005
From: willsco at gmail.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:58:47 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser
Message-ID: <9cdb24be05030406586e9195a1@mail.gmail.com>

I need to have an immobiliser fitted for my insurance to be valid

Q1 - Does anyone know of any insurers who do not insist on this?


I have seen numerous postings on the problems of fitting these and
associated scare stories. I have the remains of an immobilser in my
car and in the maintenance history there is a full story of the
nightmare of putting it in,  it not working and finally it being
ripped out again.

Q2 - notwithstanding the above:
- what type would others recommend?
- who should fit it in the Gloucestershire area?
- what should I expect to pay?

We are talking about a 1979 model with manual locks (no central locking)

regards


Mike
'79 Auto


From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Fri Mar  4 15:54:46 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:54:46 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment
Message-ID: <OFA5B75260.C1ED1991-ON80256FBA.0056C8C6-80256FBA.0057690A@crnotes.rockwellcollins.com>

A few weeks ago someone on this forum posted a detailed explanation of how 
to fill the headlamp adjuster with very light oil. Does anyone still have 
that email as I am sure I saved it but can not find it?

My car is being having some work done while I am on holiday and I wanted 
to send this to the guy so as the system on my car has apparently been 
inop for a number of years. I have explained the basics as best I can 
remember but it  would obviously help to have the email to hand. As I 
leave early tomorrow I need a copy by later tonight.

As always any assistance is gratefully received.

Cheers

Clive 
'88 S4 Auto
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From ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  4 16:24:49 2005
From: ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com (Ken Trueman)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:24:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser
In-Reply-To: <9cdb24be05030406586e9195a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABEJIAJMJPICMNPKCEMHGECHCHAA.ken.trueman4@btinternet.com>

Mike
I used Optimax in Bristol, who removed the old alarm/immobiliser and fitted
a Toad system. It has been in for nearly two years with no problems at all.
cheers
Ken '93GTS



-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Mike Williams
Sent: 04 March 2005 14:59
To: 928uk
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser


I need to have an immobiliser fitted for my insurance to be valid

Q1 - Does anyone know of any insurers who do not insist on this?


I have seen numerous postings on the problems of fitting these and
associated scare stories. I have the remains of an immobilser in my
car and in the maintenance history there is a full story of the
nightmare of putting it in,  it not working and finally it being
ripped out again.

Q2 - notwithstanding the above:
- what type would others recommend?
- who should fit it in the Gloucestershire area?
- what should I expect to pay?

We are talking about a 1979 model with manual locks (no central locking)

regards


Mike
'79 Auto
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From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  4 16:30:34 2005
From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:30:34 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser
References: <ABEJIAJMJPICMNPKCEMHGECHCHAA.ken.trueman4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c520d7$7d7f0120$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>

Mike

Yes, Optimax gave my system a good check when I got the car, they seemed to 
know what they were talking about, and didn't try to sell me a new system by 
saying mine was crap.

Cheers

Paul 86S2
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Trueman" <ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com>
To: "Mike Williams" <willsco at gmail.com>; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Immobiliser


> Mike
> I used Optimax in Bristol, who removed the old alarm/immobiliser and 
> fitted
> a Toad system. It has been in for nearly two years with no problems at 
> all.
> cheers
> Ken '93GTS
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Mike Williams
> Sent: 04 March 2005 14:59
> To: 928uk
> Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser
>
>
> I need to have an immobiliser fitted for my insurance to be valid
>
> Q1 - Does anyone know of any insurers who do not insist on this?
>
>
> I have seen numerous postings on the problems of fitting these and
> associated scare stories. I have the remains of an immobilser in my
> car and in the maintenance history there is a full story of the
> nightmare of putting it in,  it not working and finally it being
> ripped out again.
>
> Q2 - notwithstanding the above:
> - what type would others recommend?
> - who should fit it in the Gloucestershire area?
> - what should I expect to pay?
>
> We are talking about a 1979 model with manual locks (no central locking)
>
> regards
>
>
> Mike
> '79 Auto
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From paul at paullacey.com  Fri Mar  4 16:40:19 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:40:19 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <OFA5B75260.C1ED1991-ON80256FBA.0056C8C6-80256FBA.0057690A@crnotes.rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAKsjfgzw1UkSQbA9GPHWLmAEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi Clive,
It was me. There were two mails, below are the original mails again...

Hello Magne,
Don't use brake fluid whatever you do !!!
You need to take the adjuster next to the drivers seat apart, it is
quite obvious how to do this when you look at it. Inside there are two
plungers, like little pistons, which push the fluid down the two pipes.
The weight of the headlamps / springs on the headlamps will push the
fluid back. What you need to do is get both pipes full all the way to
the headlights. If you raise the lights and remove the covers (three
screws on each) you will see a rubber connector where the white
(usually) tube connects to a piston chamber behind and below the
headlight. This is where you can bleed the fluid. The fluid used is a
silicon based oil and you can use shock absorber oil for a radio
controlled car such as made by Tamiya. This is available from any good
model shop and is not expensive. If they have several grades get the
lightest weight one. It's usually green or gold colour. All you need to
do is get the pipes full of liquid with no airlocks. You can use the
little plastic bottle that the oil comes in to squeeze it slowly through
until it emerges the other end and moves the headlight. Can be a messy
job - have a roll of toilet paper ready, you don't want that oil on your
carpets / seats.

Hi,
Fill from the headlight control end after you take it to bits. Do the
drivers side headlight first (shortest pipe) then the other. If you
disconnect the pipe at the back of the headlight you will see when the
fluid comes through. If there's none in the plungers behind the
headlights fill these too. It's not ultra critical like bleeding brake
fluid. As long as you don't have any leaks you will manage it no
problems.

Paul 
'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com
Sent: 04 March 2005 15:55
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment



A few weeks ago someone on this forum posted a detailed explanation of
how to fill the headlamp adjuster with very light oil. Does anyone still
have that email as I am sure I saved it but can not find it? 

My car is being having some work done while I am on holiday and I wanted
to send this to the guy so as the system on my car has apparently been
inop for a number of years. I have explained the basics as best I can
remember but it  would obviously help to have the email to hand. As I
leave early tomorrow I need a copy by later tonight. 

As always any assistance is gratefully received. 

Cheers 

Clive 
'88 S4 Auto



From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  4 16:46:24 2005
From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:46:24 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Promax Chips
Message-ID: <002901c520d9$b3acde50$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>

Fitted Promax Chips to my S2 this afternoon. The whole process took less than 2 hours and was relatively straight forward. The car started first time, there was a little hunting on the tick over for a minute or two but this quickly cleared up and it is now rock solid again.
Been out for a drive and there is a good differance in the cars performance above 3000 revs. The acceleration is better and the car feels generally more responsive. Below 3000 revs the car feels the same as before (but they never claimed any benefit below 3k revs). The car also sounds slightly differant. I've been on the motorway, country lanes, and stuck in traffic through town and the car seems to be absolutely fine.
Off for another drive shortly.

Paul 86S2
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From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Fri Mar  4 17:00:36 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:00:36 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAKsjfgzw1UkSQbA9GPHWLmAEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <OF0B38854B.542CF74A-ON80256FBA.005D4F21-80256FBA.005D6FFC@crnotes.rockwellcollins.com>

Thanks Paul, very much appreciated as were the extremely prompt response 
from Mike Bathurst and Andy Brown - thanks guys.

Cheers

Clive 
'88 S4 Auto
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From titters at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  4 17:17:35 2005
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:17:35 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAKsjfgzw1UkSQbA9GPHWLmAEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <002701c520de$0ee0cfd0$01ea9a51@weasel>

Out of curiosity, at what stage did the headlight adjusters switch from 
being hydraulic to electrical - mines a 90 and they have never worked since 
I've had the car (3years) and I've never really got any info as to the 
electrical system as my workshop manual is US based and they never had them.

anyone fixed the electrical ones?

Iain 90 s4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Lacey" <paul at paullacey.com>
To: <clusted at rockwellcollins.com>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment


> Hi Clive,
> It was me. There were two mails, below are the original mails again...
>
> Hello Magne,
> Don't use brake fluid whatever you do !!!
> You need to take the adjuster next to the drivers seat apart, it is
> quite obvious how to do this when you look at it. Inside there are two
> plungers, like little pistons, which push the fluid down the two pipes.
> The weight of the headlamps / springs on the headlamps will push the
> fluid back. What you need to do is get both pipes full all the way to
> the headlights. If you raise the lights and remove the covers (three
> screws on each) you will see a rubber connector where the white
> (usually) tube connects to a piston chamber behind and below the
> headlight. This is where you can bleed the fluid. The fluid used is a
> silicon based oil and you can use shock absorber oil for a radio
> controlled car such as made by Tamiya. This is available from any good
> model shop and is not expensive. If they have several grades get the
> lightest weight one. It's usually green or gold colour. All you need to
> do is get the pipes full of liquid with no airlocks. You can use the
> little plastic bottle that the oil comes in to squeeze it slowly through
> until it emerges the other end and moves the headlight. Can be a messy
> job - have a roll of toilet paper ready, you don't want that oil on your
> carpets / seats.
>
> Hi,
> Fill from the headlight control end after you take it to bits. Do the
> drivers side headlight first (shortest pipe) then the other. If you
> disconnect the pipe at the back of the headlight you will see when the
> fluid comes through. If there's none in the plungers behind the
> headlights fill these too. It's not ultra critical like bleeding brake
> fluid. As long as you don't have any leaks you will manage it no
> problems.
>
> Paul
> '85 928S2 Turquoise
> '90 928GT Baltic Blue
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
> Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com
> Sent: 04 March 2005 15:55
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment
>
>
>
> A few weeks ago someone on this forum posted a detailed explanation of
> how to fill the headlamp adjuster with very light oil. Does anyone still
> have that email as I am sure I saved it but can not find it?
>
> My car is being having some work done while I am on holiday and I wanted
> to send this to the guy so as the system on my car has apparently been
> inop for a number of years. I have explained the basics as best I can
> remember but it  would obviously help to have the email to hand. As I
> leave early tomorrow I need a copy by later tonight.
>
> As always any assistance is gratefully received.
>
> Cheers
>
> Clive
> '88 S4 Auto
>
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Fri Mar  4 17:26:12 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:26:12 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Promax Chips
In-Reply-To: <002901c520d9$b3acde50$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>
References: <002901c520d9$b3acde50$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>
Message-ID: <17tMDVf0oJKCFw2x@ritech-systems.com>


What fuel are you using Paul?

Richard


In message <002901c520d9$b3acde50$ef9c2052 at user328b210d3f>, Paul Thorn 
<paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>Fitted Promax Chips to my S2 this afternoon. The whole process took
>less than 2 hours and was relatively straight forward. The car started first
>time, there was a little hunting on the tick over for a minute or two but this
>quickly cleared up and it is now rock solid again.
>Been out for a drive and there is a good differance in the cars performance
>above 3000 revs. The acceleration is better and the car feels generally
>more responsive. Below 3000 revs the car feels the same as before (but
>they never claimed any benefit below 3k revs). The car also sounds
>slightly differant. I've been on the motorway, country lanes, and stuck in
>traffic through town and the car seems to be absolutely fine.
>Off for another drive shortly.
>?
>Paul 86S2
>_______________________________________________
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From paul at paullacey.com  Fri Mar  4 17:42:04 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:42:04 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <002701c520de$0ee0cfd0$01ea9a51@weasel>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAtel3ch3uXUy+XxVi5p3n6gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi,
Model Year '90 was the first to have electric adjustment of headlights.
There is a small motor and circuit board at each headlight and a
potentiometer in the cabin. I'm sending you the relevant wiring page
from the manual separately

Paul

'85 928S2 Turquoise
'90 928GT Baltic Blue


-----Original Message-----
From: Iain Titterington [mailto:titters at btinternet.com] 
Sent: 04 March 2005 17:18
To: paul at paullacey.com; clusted at rockwellcollins.com
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment


Out of curiosity, at what stage did the headlight adjusters switch from 
being hydraulic to electrical - mines a 90 and they have never worked
since 
I've had the car (3years) and I've never really got any info as to the 
electrical system as my workshop manual is US based and they never had
them.

anyone fixed the electrical ones?

Iain 90 s4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Lacey" <paul at paullacey.com>
To: <clusted at rockwellcollins.com>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment


> Hi Clive,
> It was me. There were two mails, below are the original mails again...
>
> Hello Magne,
> Don't use brake fluid whatever you do !!!
> You need to take the adjuster next to the drivers seat apart, it is 
> quite obvious how to do this when you look at it. Inside there are two

> plungers, like little pistons, which push the fluid down the two 
> pipes. The weight of the headlamps / springs on the headlamps will 
> push the fluid back. What you need to do is get both pipes full all 
> the way to the headlights. If you raise the lights and remove the 
> covers (three screws on each) you will see a rubber connector where 
> the white
> (usually) tube connects to a piston chamber behind and below the
> headlight. This is where you can bleed the fluid. The fluid used is a
> silicon based oil and you can use shock absorber oil for a radio
> controlled car such as made by Tamiya. This is available from any good
> model shop and is not expensive. If they have several grades get the
> lightest weight one. It's usually green or gold colour. All you need
to
> do is get the pipes full of liquid with no airlocks. You can use the
> little plastic bottle that the oil comes in to squeeze it slowly
through
> until it emerges the other end and moves the headlight. Can be a messy
> job - have a roll of toilet paper ready, you don't want that oil on
your
> carpets / seats.
>
> Hi,
> Fill from the headlight control end after you take it to bits. Do the 
> drivers side headlight first (shortest pipe) then the other. If you 
> disconnect the pipe at the back of the headlight you will see when the

> fluid comes through. If there's none in the plungers behind the 
> headlights fill these too. It's not ultra critical like bleeding brake

> fluid. As long as you don't have any leaks you will manage it no 
> problems.
>
> Paul
> '85 928S2 Turquoise
> '90 928GT Baltic Blue
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On 
> Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com
> Sent: 04 March 2005 15:55
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Headlight Adjustment
>
>
>
> A few weeks ago someone on this forum posted a detailed explanation of

> how to fill the headlamp adjuster with very light oil. Does anyone 
> still have that email as I am sure I saved it but can not find it?
>
> My car is being having some work done while I am on holiday and I 
> wanted to send this to the guy so as the system on my car has 
> apparently been inop for a number of years. I have explained the 
> basics as best I can remember but it  would obviously help to have the

> email to hand. As I leave early tomorrow I need a copy by later 
> tonight.
>
> As always any assistance is gratefully received.
>
> Cheers
>
> Clive
> '88 S4 Auto
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  4 17:50:43 2005
From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:50:43 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Promax Chips
References: <002901c520d9$b3acde50$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>
	<17tMDVf0oJKCFw2x@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <002501c520e2$b00ac240$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>

Richard

I've always used Optimax, the times I've used normal unleaded I've noticed a 
slight drop in engine response and performance.

Paul 86S2
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Armstrong" <richard at ritech-systems.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Cc: <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Promax Chips



What fuel are you using Paul?

Richard


In message <002901c520d9$b3acde50$ef9c2052 at user328b210d3f>, Paul Thorn
<paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>Fitted Promax Chips to my S2 this afternoon. The whole process took
>less than 2 hours and was relatively straight forward. The car started 
>first
>time, there was a little hunting on the tick over for a minute or two but 
>this
>quickly cleared up and it is now rock solid again.
>Been out for a drive and there is a good differance in the cars performance
>above 3000 revs. The acceleration is better and the car feels generally
>more responsive. Below 3000 revs the car feels the same as before (but
>they never claimed any benefit below 3k revs). The car also sounds
>slightly differant. I've been on the motorway, country lanes, and stuck in
>traffic through town and the car seems to be absolutely fine.
>Off for another drive shortly.
>
>Paul 86S2
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk

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From Dk928 at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 23:02:27 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:02:27 EST
Subject: [928uk] 944 Problem
Message-ID: <157.4bcaf541.2f5a4303@aol.com>

Hi Guys
 
I know a few list members have got 944's and I could do with a bit of  
advise, or indeed from anyone with experience.
I collected a 944 2.7 today from the seller in Scotland and drove the car  
home. All went swimmingly well for about 200 miles but then it started to  
develop an intermitent clicking from somewhere around the rear offside wheel ( I  
think ). Not all the time, it sort of came and went but the noise seemed to  
get more noticeable as I went further.
 
Home now so I'll investigate in the morning but I would appreciate any  
advise about what to check out.
 
Details... 1988 2.7 Lux,  87k miles, MOT to Jan next  year, drum and shoes on 
the rear, it runs well and it seems to have  been well looked after. One 
thing I did notice however is that I think it tended  to pull towards the centre 
of the road when braking .
All imput would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks Guys
Dave
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From Dk928 at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 23:36:13 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:36:13 EST
Subject: [928uk] Re: 944 Problem
Message-ID: <1d9.37e7fde2.2f5a4aed@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 04/03/05 23:02:27 GMT Standard Time, Dk928 writes:

drum and  shoes on the rear..... oops !!


Sorry... I was miles away...muppet... they're discs all round 
 
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From marcus at randle.org  Sat Mar  5 08:22:48 2005
From: marcus at randle.org (Marcus Randle)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:22:48 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Re: 944 Problem
In-Reply-To: <1d9.37e7fde2.2f5a4aed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAQPsvf4zUe02cNoS4suQ1GQEAQ0pwornp7EeFKHH4/2J/LQAAACZ8mQAAEAAAAIC2Tt38dvdGouGSG94UKr0BAAAAAA==@randle.org>

Try googling 944 CV Joint.  It's the same soprt of thing as a Universal
joint.

 

Marcus

89 951

 

  _____  

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Dk928 at aol.com
Sent: 04 March 2005 23:36
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Re: 944 Problem

 

In a message dated 04/03/05 23:02:27 GMT Standard Time, Dk928 writes:

drum and shoes on the rear..... oops !!

Sorry... I was miles away...muppet... they're discs all round 

 

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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 11:20:40 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:20:40 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Re: 944 Problem
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAQPsvf4zUe02cNoS4suQ1GQEAQ0pwornp7EeFKHH4/2J/LQAAACZ8mQAAEAAAAIC2Tt38dvdGouGSG94UKr0BAAAAAA==@randle.org>
References: <1d9.37e7fde2.2f5a4aed@aol.com>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAQPsvf4zUe02cNoS4suQ1GQEAQ0pwornp7EeFKHH4/2J/LQAAACZ8mQAAEAAAAIC2Tt38dvdGouGSG94UKr0BAAAAAA==@randle.org>
Message-ID: <98697a4305030503202decd7b7@mail.gmail.com>

There are drums and shoes on the rear, but they are only used for the
handbrake, the disc and drum are combined. I think the 944 and 928
share the same shoes.

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:22:48 -0000, Marcus Randle <marcus at randle.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Try googling 944 CV Joint.  It's the same soprt of thing as a Universal
> joint.
> 
>  
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 89 951
> 
>  
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
> Of Dk928 at aol.com
> Sent: 04 March 2005 23:36
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Re: 944 Problem
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 04/03/05 23:02:27 GMT Standard Time, Dk928 writes:
> 
> 
> drum and shoes on the rear..... oops !!
> 
> 
> Sorry... I was miles away...muppet... they're discs all round 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Dave
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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> 
>


From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar  5 15:30:21 2005
From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:30:21 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <15a.4ba06a05.2f58b5f6@aol.com>
	<000c01c52030$7f66f4e0$bf83c8ac@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c52199$f9a9e0e0$c1e1193e@dan>

And I think that panacota would be just as nice.

Alan - with cheesey 1990 S4

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Speake 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com 
    To: info at jdsporsche.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


    In a message dated 03/03/2005 18:40:39 GMT Standard Time, info at jdsporsche.com writes:
      What a crap name.......
    We've had 996, 997, soon should be time for a 1000 shouldn't it? Tim
    >>>>>>>>>
    Ok, perhaps they should call it 0/10   :-)

    John


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From asweetenham at uku.co.uk  Sat Mar  5 16:51:48 2005
From: asweetenham at uku.co.uk (Andrew Sweetenham)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:51:48 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 944 Problem
In-Reply-To: <157.4bcaf541.2f5a4303@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MJEMLEHNBLPJFPIIKHFLCEDNCPAA.asweetenham@uku.co.uk>

Hi Dave,

Is the noise a mechanical noise (rather than clicking electrical contacts)?
If it sounds electrical and has a Porsche Alarm - check the specific gravity
and voltage of the battery. When the battery tires on 944's fitted with a
PA1000 Alarm systems - the relay unit in the rear (usually n/s) can start
clicking intermittently.

If the noise is mechanical, it's most likely either a loose handbrake shoe
(with broken spring); worn CV joint or exhaust clamp tapping on the body
somewhere (which can sound like a clicking from one side of the car).

If braking pulls the car to one side, most likely a pad stuck on one of the
callipers. Check all 8 disk surfaces to check they are shiny (and being
rubbed by a pad).

Just out of interest - how much did you pay for the car?

Regards,
Andrew


Andrew Sweetenham
ProMAX Motorsport
Porsche Performance Specialists
Tel: +44 (0)1908 606451
Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
web: www.promaxmotorsport.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Dk928 at aol.com
  Sent: 04 March 2005 23:02
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] 944 Problem


  Hi Guys

  I know a few list members have got 944's and I could do with a bit of
advise, or indeed from anyone with experience.
  I collected a 944 2.7 today from the seller in Scotland and drove the car
home. All went swimmingly well for about 200 miles but then it started to
develop an intermitent clicking from somewhere around the rear offside wheel
( I think ). Not all the time, it sort of came and went but the noise seemed
to get more noticeable as I went further.

  Home now so I'll investigate in the morning but I would appreciate any
advise about what to check out.

  Details... 1988 2.7 Lux,  87k miles, MOT to Jan next year, drum and shoes
on the rear, it runs well and it seems to have been well looked after. One
thing I did notice however is that I think it tended to pull towards the
centre of the road when braking .
  All imput would be greatly appreciated.

  Thanks Guys
  Dave
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From max.carter at btinternet.com  Sat Mar  5 17:41:17 2005
From: max.carter at btinternet.com (Max Carter)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:41:17 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Tyres
In-Reply-To: <20041101233321.DECB227EDDF@mail.porsche-1.net>
Message-ID: <200503051741.j25HfVc18789@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Just been to Costco

Michelin Sport 2 x 225/45/17ZR and 2 x 255/40/17ZR for ?402 including
everything which seems a very good price (they are currently giving 20% off
any four tyres)


Regards
 
 
Max
'92 S4




From Beocentre at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 19:05:17 2005
From: Beocentre at aol.com (Beocentre at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 14:05:17 EST
Subject: [928uk] Leak
Message-ID: <1ea.37f2b73e.2f5b5ced@aol.com>

Guys,

Thanks for the replies about my 'pink' liquid query. Turns out to be power 
steering fluid - I have a small split in a hose.... another fairly costly 
repair!

Thanks again

Rob
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From dick at euroseti.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Mar  6 06:18:30 2005
From: dick at euroseti.fsnet.co.uk (richard fairbairn)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 06:18:30 -0000
Subject: [928uk] The swan  (sat)
Message-ID: <005f01c52214$532b15b0$8e78893e@dickmobile>

Hi all,
Just a quick line to say thanks for organising the day out and to meet you all again.
regards
dick
1985s auto White
Reg ODF 926
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From jerrydw at club.worldonline.be  Sun Mar  6 08:07:19 2005
From: jerrydw at club.worldonline.be (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:07:19 +0100
Subject: [928uk] oil leak
Message-ID: <000801c52223$8584f490$25e4eb3e@Drivejay>

Hi guys,

when i was replacing the oil cooler pipes yesterday, i noticed a puddle of red oil under the front of the car. I looked closer and i saw the protective rubber of the steering was torn and the oil was dripping from there. I haven't taken it apart yet, but does anyone know if i have to replace the lot (the entire steering bar) or is there a oil sealant/ring of some sort that will do it?

Thanks,
Jerry

1985S2
1980R(with yet another oil leak)
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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Sun Mar  6 09:42:36 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:42:36 -0000
Subject: [928uk] The swan  (sat)
References: <005f01c52214$532b15b0$8e78893e@dickmobile>
Message-ID: <003101c52230$d594cac0$0a0d8b51@logic>

yes, well done, very pleasant, 
chugged up the M4 in a white out blizzard...
nice blast back down the M4 in the sun !!!

Cheers,
Rich
'87 Strosek (car ia now also white, from the salt...)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richard fairbairn 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:18 AM
  Subject: [928uk] The swan (sat)


  Hi all,
  Just a quick line to say thanks for organising the day out and to meet you all again.
  regards
  dick
  1985s auto White
  Reg ODF 926


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From angusf at mac.com  Sun Mar  6 11:30:46 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:30:46 +0000
Subject: [928uk] The swan  (sat)
In-Reply-To: <003101c52230$d594cac0$0a0d8b51@logic>
References: <005f01c52214$532b15b0$8e78893e@dickmobile>
	<003101c52230$d594cac0$0a0d8b51@logic>
Message-ID: <1517285.1110108646605.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

 
Someone want to write it up and submit it as a news story on the website....


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From terry at calluna34.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar  6 11:48:11 2005
From: terry at calluna34.demon.co.uk (Terry Rockall)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:48:11 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 19th March - Dent Magician Open Day.
In-Reply-To: <cvivs5+fre6@eGroups.com>
References: <cvivs5+fre6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <yeOlgoA73uKCFwla@calluna34.demon.co.uk>

All,

For those attending the Saturday 19th March Dent Magician Open Day, the 
Dent Magician workshop address is as follows.

Unit 38
Mackley Industrial Estate
Small Dole
Henfield
West Sussex
BN5 9XQ

Telephone: 01273 493299

I need to inform Dent Magician the likely attendance head count very 
soon and therefore would those who haven't yet confirmed their 
attendance, please advise me.

Many thanks - Terry R.




From titters at btinternet.com  Sun Mar  6 12:33:46 2005
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:33:46 -0000
Subject: [928uk] oil leak
References: <000801c52223$8584f490$25e4eb3e@Drivejay>
Message-ID: <003001c52248$bd97a970$3fb29951@weasel>

I think I'm right in thinking that porsche say it's nothing unusual for a little steering fluid to escape into the bellows over time - it may be that you've just ripped the rubber and released that fluid. In which case a new rubber bellow is all that's required. Keep an eye on it especially at full lock and cross them fingers.

Good luck

Iain
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry De Weerdt 
  To: 928 Forum 
  Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:07 AM
  Subject: [928uk] oil leak


  Hi guys,

  when i was replacing the oil cooler pipes yesterday, i noticed a puddle of red oil under the front of the car. I looked closer and i saw the protective rubber of the steering was torn and the oil was dripping from there. I haven't taken it apart yet, but does anyone know if i have to replace the lot (the entire steering bar) or is there a oil sealant/ring of some sort that will do it?

  Thanks,
  Jerry

  1985S2
  1980R(with yet another oil leak)


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From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Mar  6 19:29:53 2005
From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM  ROBERTSON)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:29:53 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Classic Cars March issue
Message-ID: <006001c52284$32bf1c20$9e2d86d9@CARLTONCOURT>

Did anyone see this months issue ? Having been told by two people that I was in it I went and bought a copy...I have a small mention on page 64 in a comparison of fast cars..but...there is a good report later on in a comparison between a 911 turbo and John Vaughan's first UK car..I just wonder why they compared a 911 3.3 turbo with a 4.5 early 928..still worth a read, regards, Bill.
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From marton at befree.ch  Sun Mar  6 22:55:39 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:55:39 +0100
Subject: [928uk] oil leak
References: <000801c52223$8584f490$25e4eb3e@Drivejay>
Message-ID: <016501c5229f$9e6e4b60$0500000a@simone>

jon holdsworth had some relativey cheap kits for rebuilding 928 steering racks but he has emigrated.  Anybody know another source?  ZF do rack rebuilds but not so cheap as DIY - but a lot cheaper than a new rack

Marton


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry De Weerdt 
  To: 928 Forum 
  Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:07 AM
  Subject: [928uk] oil leak


  Hi guys,

  when i was replacing the oil cooler pipes yesterday, i noticed a puddle of red oil under the front of the car. I looked closer and i saw the protective rubber of the steering was torn and the oil was dripping from there. I haven't taken it apart yet, but does anyone know if i have to replace the lot (the entire steering bar) or is there a oil sealant/ring of some sort that will do it?

  Thanks,
  Jerry

  1985S2
  1980R(with yet another oil leak)


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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Sun Mar  6 23:04:45 2005
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:04:45 +0000
Subject: [928uk] oil leak
Message-ID: <20050306230447.PBFQ769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>

I've got a few 928 Steering rack repair kits (30+ seals plastic guides etc).  50gbp + postage if anyone interested

Regards

> From: "marton" <marton at befree.ch>
> Date: 2005/03/06 Sun PM 10:55:39 GMT
> To: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>, 
>    "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [928uk] oil leak
> 
> jon holdsworth had some relativey cheap kits for rebuilding 928 steering racks but he has emigrated.  Anybody know another source?  ZF do rack rebuilds but not so cheap as DIY - but a lot cheaper than a new rack
> 
> Marton
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jerry De Weerdt 
>   To: 928 Forum 
>   Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:07 AM
>   Subject: [928uk] oil leak
> 
> 
>   Hi guys,
> 
>   when i was replacing the oil cooler pipes yesterday, i noticed a puddle of red oil under the front of the car. I looked closer and i saw the protective rubber of the steering was torn and the oil was dripping from there. I haven't taken it apart yet, but does anyone know if i have to replace the lot (the entire steering bar) or is there a oil sealant/ring of some sort that will do it?
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Jerry
> 
>   1985S2
>   1980R(with yet another oil leak)
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From marton at befree.ch  Sun Mar  6 23:02:21 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:02:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Classic Cars March issue
References: <006001c52284$32bf1c20$9e2d86d9@CARLTONCOURT>
Message-ID: <01f101c522a0$8d845960$0500000a@simone>

Hi Bill,

nice surprise to see yours described as immaculate - I guess it was not the wifes car that we had to push start at beaulieu?

I agree a 911 turbo vs an original 928 was strange - even a 928s would be more comparable

Marton


  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: 928UK List 
  Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:29 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Classic Cars March issue


  Did anyone see this months issue ? Having been told by two people that I was in it I went and bought a copy...I have a small mention on page 64 in a comparison of fast cars..but...there is a good report later on in a comparison between a 911 turbo and John Vaughan's first UK car..I just wonder why they compared a 911 3.3 turbo with a 4.5 early 928..still worth a read, regards, Bill.


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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Mon Mar  7 03:45:55 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:45:55 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Leak
In-Reply-To: <1ea.37f2b73e.2f5b5ced@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200503070345.j273jtJ9003351@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Beocentre at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the replies about my 'pink' liquid query. Turns out to be power 
> steering fluid - I have a small split in a hose.... another fairly costly 
> repair!

Hi Rob

The power steering fluid is actually Dexron III rated ATF.

Beware of leaking hoses.  They can spray ATF on the exhaust
manifold and ruin your no claims bonus in a big way.

The Porsche steering box is quite primitive, with no oil filter,
and no routine way to drain the box apart from risking the turkey
baster.  I recommend a gift of cranberry sauce for 'er indoors to
cover up any evidence that may appear in the turkey gravy.... :-)


-- 
Phil

Don't do anything you wouldn't be willing to explain on television.
        -- Arjay Miller, Dean of Stanford GSB


From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Mon Mar  7 08:33:09 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:33:09 +0100
Subject: [928uk] oil leak
References: <20050306230447.PBFQ769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>
Message-ID: <003101c522f0$4b297230$025b48c3@XJDW>

  Thanks for he replies guys, i'll take it apart first and see what it is.

  Cheers,
  Jerry

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <adrian928 at tesco.net>
  To: "marton" <marton at befree.ch>; "Jerry De Weerdt"
<jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>; "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:04 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] oil leak


  > I've got a few 928 Steering rack repair kits (30+ seals plastic guides
etc).  50gbp + postage if anyone interested
  >
  > Regards
  >
  > > From: "marton" <marton at befree.ch>
  > > Date: 2005/03/06 Sun PM 10:55:39 GMT
  > > To: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>,
  > >    "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > > Subject: Re: [928uk] oil leak
  > >
  > > jon holdsworth had some relativey cheap kits for rebuilding 928
steering racks but he has emigrated.  Anybody know another source?  ZF do
rack rebuilds but not so cheap as DIY - but a lot cheaper than a new rack
  > >
  > > Marton
  > >
  > >
  > >   ----- Original Message -----
  > >   From: Jerry De Weerdt
  > >   To: 928 Forum
  > >   Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:07 AM
  > >   Subject: [928uk] oil leak
  > >
  > >
  > >   Hi guys,
  > >
  > >   when i was replacing the oil cooler pipes yesterday, i noticed a
puddle of red oil under the front of the car. I looked closer and i saw the
protective rubber of the steering was torn and the oil was dripping from
there. I haven't taken it apart yet, but does anyone know if i have to
replace the lot (the entire steering bar) or is there a oil sealant/ring of
some sort that will do it?
  > >
  > >   Thanks,
  > >   Jerry
  > >
  > >   1985S2
  > >   1980R(with yet another oil leak)
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar  7 13:07:58 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:07:58 -0000
Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A887@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Hi All,

I need to replace one of my coil ("king") HT leads due to damage from arcing, and thought I'd replace both while I'm at it (left & right coil leads). I looked at the price of full HT lead sets (200GBP+), but decided that was OTT. But no-one except the OPC stocked the individual king leads. I was told they were 21GBP+VAT each. Then the wrong ones turned up - at 28GBP+VAT each. Apparently the design of the S4 leads changed at 1990MY. The pre-90 king leads are identical for each side, and have a weird inner connector style on one end (presumably dizzy cap end). The post-90 leads are 'handed' (connectors are 90 degrees offset to each other on each lead, and in different directions on each lead) and have identical inner connectors on each end (and both are right angle style connectors).

I'm waiting to receive these post-90 leads from the OPC, but thought I'd warn people that there's actually nothing special about them - I tried some regular leads (generic coil leads) that I had lying around in the garage... and they fitted/worked fine. Might be more tricky with pre-90 design S4 leads with strange connector, but otherwise you might want to save yourself the 66GBP I'm looking at for two 6-inch coil leads!

Scott '91 GT
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From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  7 13:49:05 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:49:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A887@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F26EA8099352B1FAC1C364CFA5F0@phx.gbl>

Scott

When i brought a set of breu leads i got 2 types of king leads in the set.


Stuart

>From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:07:58 -0000
>
>Hi All,
>
>I need to replace one of my coil ("king") HT leads due to damage from 
>arcing, and thought I'd replace both while I'm at it (left & right coil 
>leads). I looked at the price of full HT lead sets (200GBP+), but decided 
>that was OTT. But no-one except the OPC stocked the individual king leads. 
>I was told they were 21GBP+VAT each. Then the wrong ones turned up - at 
>28GBP+VAT each. Apparently the design of the S4 leads changed at 1990MY. 
>The pre-90 king leads are identical for each side, and have a weird inner 
>connector style on one end (presumably dizzy cap end). The post-90 leads 
>are 'handed' (connectors are 90 degrees offset to each other on each lead, 
>and in different directions on each lead) and have identical inner 
>connectors on each end (and both are right angle style connectors).
>
>I'm waiting to receive these post-90 leads from the OPC, but thought I'd 
>warn people that there's actually nothing special about them - I tried some 
>regular leads (generic coil leads) that I had lying around in the garage... 
>and they fitted/worked fine. Might be more tricky with pre-90 design S4 
>leads with strange connector, but otherwise you might want to save yourself 
>the 66GBP I'm looking at for two 6-inch coil leads!
>
>Scott '91 GT
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar  7 13:55:34 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:55:34 -0000
Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A888@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Ah - interesting Stuart. So that's how they sell "generic S4" lead sets. Shows how little value individual leads really have when they supply one pair in the set that you just "throw away"!

Cheers,
Scott.

-----Original Message-----
From: stuart hickmott [mailto:stuart928gt at hotmail.com]
Sent: 07 March 2005 13:49
To: Walker, Scott; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


Scott

When i brought a set of beru leads i got 2 types of king leads in the set.


Stuart

>From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:07:58 -0000
>
>Hi All,
>
>I need to replace one of my coil ("king") HT leads due to damage from 
>arcing, and thought I'd replace both while I'm at it (left & right coil 
>leads). I looked at the price of full HT lead sets (200GBP+), but decided 
>that was OTT. But no-one except the OPC stocked the individual king leads. 
>I was told they were 21GBP+VAT each. Then the wrong ones turned up - at 
>28GBP+VAT each. Apparently the design of the S4 leads changed at 1990MY. 
>The pre-90 king leads are identical for each side, and have a weird inner 
>connector style on one end (presumably dizzy cap end). The post-90 leads 
>are 'handed' (connectors are 90 degrees offset to each other on each lead, 
>and in different directions on each lead) and have identical inner 
>connectors on each end (and both are right angle style connectors).
>
>I'm waiting to receive these post-90 leads from the OPC, but thought I'd 
>warn people that there's actually nothing special about them - I tried some 
>regular leads (generic coil leads) that I had lying around in the garage... 
>and they fitted/worked fine. Might be more tricky with pre-90 design S4 
>leads with strange connector, but otherwise you might want to save yourself 
>the 66GBP I'm looking at for two 6-inch coil leads!
>
>Scott '91 GT
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From jaycroix at optusnet.com.au  Mon Mar  7 19:14:36 2005
From: jaycroix at optusnet.com.au (John  Ross)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:14:36 +1100
Subject: [928uk] Re oils
Message-ID: <000801c52349$e92136e0$b434a4cb@yourdmie2v151z>

Hi
I read recently that some one contacted the Porsche factory re oil recomendations. Has there been a reply?

Regards John Ross Aust, 928S4 1989.
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From cammackmartin at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  7 20:54:39 2005
From: cammackmartin at hotmail.com (rich martin)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:54:39 -0000
Subject: [928uk] copper grease
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV16305585AB6C71681DBA17A95F0@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know where I can buy copper grease to put on the back of brake pads when fitting?

Rich
Manual S4
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From graham.manning at tso.co.uk  Mon Mar  7 21:02:31 2005
From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:02:31 -0000
Subject: [928uk] copper grease
Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61508A1FCEF@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk>

Any reasonable motor factors. If you're desperate I think even Halfords keep it!
 
- Graham

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Subject: [928uk] copper grease


Does anyone know where I can buy copper grease to put on the back of brake pads when fitting?
 
Rich
Manual S4


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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 22:03:40 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:03:40 +0000
Subject: [928uk] copper grease
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I didn't find Copperease to be particularly effective. Instead I've
used a spray on adhesive that seems much better (although not
perfect), however I'm not sure if you can get it here, I bought a can
in the US.

Good luck

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:02:31 -0000, Manning, Graham
<graham.manning at tso.co.uk> wrote:
> Any reasonable motor factors. If you're desperate I think even Halfords keep
> it!
>  
> - Graham
> 
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> Rich
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar  8 04:08:19 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT
Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <20050308040819.610DE48F316@viper.snap.net.nz>

As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is arcing, the rest 
of them probably need replacing too.

Smiffy

> Hi All,
> 
> I need to replace one of my coil ("king") HT leads due to damage from 
arcing, and thought
I'd replace both while I'm at it (left & right coil leads). I looked at 
the price of full
HT lead sets (200GBP+), but decided that was OTT. But no-one except the 
OPC stocked the
individual king leads. I was told they were 21GBP+VAT each. Then the wrong 
ones turned up
- at 28GBP+VAT each. Apparently the design of the S4 leads changed at 
1990MY. The pre-90
king leads are identical for each side, and have a weird inner connector 
style on one end
(presumably dizzy cap end). The post-90 leads are 'handed' (connectors are 
90 degrees
offset to each other on each lead, and in different directions on each 
lead) and have
identical inner connectors on each end (and both are right angle style 
connectors).
> 
> I'm waiting to receive these post-90 leads from the OPC, but thought I'd 
warn people that
there's actually nothing special about them - I tried some regular leads 
(generic coil
leads) that I had lying around in the garage... and they fitted/worked 
fine. Might be more
tricky with pre-90 design S4 leads with strange connector, but otherwise 
you might want to
save yourself the 66GBP I'm looking at for two 6-inch coil leads!
> 
> Scott '91
GT



From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 05:38:18 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 05:38:18 +0000
Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <20050308040819.610DE48F316@viper.snap.net.nz>
References: <20050308040819.610DE48F316@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <98697a4305030721382e63cfc5@mail.gmail.com>

I think the King leads suffer more than most, the routing seems to
mean sharper bends and more cracks in the sheath. One of mine caused 4
cylinder mode to occur when I was in France recently, luckily it was
easy to diagnose as the arcing was clearly visible. I'm in the market
for a pair of the early S4 leads as if anyone has any spare.

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT, smiffypr at snap.net.nz
<smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
> As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is arcing, the rest
> of them probably need replacing too.
> 
> Smiffy
>


From marton at befree.ch  Tue Mar  8 07:04:28 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:04:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
References: <20050308040819.610DE48F316@viper.snap.net.nz>
	<98697a4305030721382e63cfc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c523ad$126bdba0$0500000a@simone>

be careful and don`t drive too much in 4 cylinder mode - this is a known
case of torque tube failure in S4s - how this can cause the shaft too break
I have no idea...

Marton


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To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


> I think the King leads suffer more than most, the routing seems to
> mean sharper bends and more cracks in the sheath. One of mine caused 4
> cylinder mode to occur when I was in France recently, luckily it was
> easy to diagnose as the arcing was clearly visible. I'm in the market
> for a pair of the early S4 leads as if anyone has any spare.
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT, smiffypr at snap.net.nz
> <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
> > As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is arcing, the
rest
> > of them probably need replacing too.
> >
> > Smiffy
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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Tue Mar  8 08:07:39 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:07:39 +1300
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <001501c523ad$126bdba0$0500000a@simone>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDGEMMCEAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

I have seen a fax from an employee at Porsche to a GTS owner in the UK
detailing this "phenomenom".

I recall said owner had his TT replaced out of warranty by Porsche.

IIRC it only applies to cars with cats which have the temp monitoring
sensors on the exhausts, if one bank gets cool, it cuts off the ignition to
that bank to prevent damage to the cats. In the UK this means probably cars
built MY 1990 and on.

Jon in NZ
Nissan Sunny Hired, Toyota Landcruiser maybe purchased.
SE and GT somewhere hear Penang Malysia

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of marton
Sent: 08 March 2005 20:04
To: Paul; 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


be careful and don`t drive too much in 4 cylinder mode - this is a known
case of torque tube failure in S4s - how this can cause the shaft too break
I have no idea...

Marton


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


> I think the King leads suffer more than most, the routing seems to
> mean sharper bends and more cracks in the sheath. One of mine caused 4
> cylinder mode to occur when I was in France recently, luckily it was
> easy to diagnose as the arcing was clearly visible. I'm in the market
> for a pair of the early S4 leads as if anyone has any spare.
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT, smiffypr at snap.net.nz
> <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
> > As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is arcing, the
rest
> > of them probably need replacing too.
> >
> > Smiffy
> >
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Tue Mar  8 11:48:41 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:48:41 -0000
Subject: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A88E@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Paul - that's exactly it. The earlier cars have a traditional single dizzy & HT lead setup, so I'd agree with "replace all" approach. But the S4-on have 2 dizzy's & 2 coils (the dizzy's are contact-less type & caps are mounted down on the front of the engine - end of camshafts - with 'bottom entry' for king lead), and the king leads have a tortuous route - especially the nearside one squashed between coolant hoses, the ABS regulator and the power steering reservoir/hoses. The n/s one can run parallel with a metal brake line from the ABS unit (where mine started to arc) for its first few inches after emerging from the n/s coil.

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul

I think the King leads suffer more than most, the routing seems to
mean sharper bends and more cracks in the sheath. One of mine caused 4
cylinder mode to occur when I was in France recently, luckily it was
easy to diagnose as the arcing was clearly visible.

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT, smiffypr at snap.net.nz
<smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
> As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is arcing, the rest
> of them probably need replacing too.
> 
> Smiffy
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Tue Mar  8 12:00:51 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:00:51 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A88F@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Jon - interesting hypothesis... but I don't understand how one bank can get cool - even if you lost one coil, the other coil drives 2 cylinders on each bank, so you would still get the same heat (albeit reduced heat) in both cats. If the monitoring system did then cut the ignition to one bank you'd end up running on just 2 cylinders... and I think you'd have to stop then! (lack of power & also unbalanced which is definitely bad for TT)

How does the Nissan Sunny compare to a 928? ;-)

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth

I have seen a fax from an employee at Porsche to a GTS owner in the UK
detailing this "phenomenom".

I recall said owner had his TT replaced out of warranty by Porsche.

IIRC it only applies to cars with cats which have the temp monitoring
sensors on the exhausts, if one bank gets cool, it cuts off the ignition to
that bank to prevent damage to the cats. In the UK this means probably cars
built MY 1990 and on.

Jon in NZ
Nissan Sunny Hired, Toyota Landcruiser maybe purchased.
SE and GT somewhere hear Penang Malysia

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of marton

be careful and don`t drive too much in 4 cylinder mode - this is a known
case of torque tube failure in S4s - how this can cause the shaft too break
I have no idea...

Marton
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar  8 12:20:08 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 01:20:08 +1300
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A88F@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <000701c523d9$2c0de270$ca667cca@computername>

The cat protection system monitors the temperature of two of the exhaust ports, one on 
each ignition circuit.
If one gets cold, it shuts down the injectors on the cylinders on the same ignition coil, 
not one bank of the V.
The idea is that no unburnt fuel hits the cats.

So if either one ignition system fails, or the protection system fails, the engine runs on 
four cylinders, and this is enough to cause premature failure of the drive shaft 
apparently.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
To: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>; "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads


> Jon - interesting hypothesis... but I don't understand how one bank can get cool - even 
> if you lost one coil, the other coil drives 2 cylinders on each bank, so you would still 
> get the same heat (albeit reduced heat) in both cats. If the monitoring system did then 
> cut the ignition to one bank you'd end up running on just 2 cylinders... and I think 
> you'd have to stop then! (lack of power & also unbalanced which is definitely bad for 
> TT)
>
> How does the Nissan Sunny compare to a 928? ;-)
>
> Scott '91 GT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth
>
> I have seen a fax from an employee at Porsche to a GTS owner in the UK
> detailing this "phenomenom".
>
> I recall said owner had his TT replaced out of warranty by Porsche.
>
> IIRC it only applies to cars with cats which have the temp monitoring
> sensors on the exhausts, if one bank gets cool, it cuts off the ignition to
> that bank to prevent damage to the cats. In the UK this means probably cars
> built MY 1990 and on.
>
> Jon in NZ
> Nissan Sunny Hired, Toyota Landcruiser maybe purchased.
> SE and GT somewhere hear Penang Malysia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of marton
>
> be careful and don`t drive too much in 4 cylinder mode - this is a known
> case of torque tube failure in S4s - how this can cause the shaft too break
> I have no idea...
>
> Marton
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From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar  8 12:36:08 2005
From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:36:08 +0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A88F@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A88F@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <a86r21pmaem40d7pjfkq87i2i70rejichd@4ax.com>

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:00:51 -0000, you wrote:

>Jon - interesting hypothesis... but I don't understand how one bank can get cool - even if you lost one coil, the other coil drives 2 cylinders on each bank, so you would still get the same heat (albeit reduced heat) in both cats. If the monitoring system did then cut the ignition to one bank you'd end up running on just 2 cylinders... and I think you'd have to stop then! (lack of power & also unbalanced which is definitely bad for TT)
>
>How does the Nissan Sunny compare to a 928? ;-)
>
>Scott '91 GT
>

One way one side could appear cold and bring on a shutdown is if the
sensor is faulty. This happened to mine regularly until Chris
Sanderson at Loe Bank Motors identified the problem. I was in favour
of replacing the sensor but Chris advised that the system doesn't
really add any benfit and was only fitted to a few cars before Porsche
removed it... I wonder why! Having read this it strengthens the case
for disabling the system which, incidentally is done be replacing the
relay with a dummy plug which cost about ?20.

Thank goodness Chris identified the problem before it knackered my TT
or worse!

BTW - the reduction in power was very significant and did force you to
stop but it could happen at any time and a stop/start often
temporarily resolved the problem. I bought the car with this problem
so there's know telling how many times it had suffered the stress. A
year on from correcting the problem everything is fine so hopefully no
real harm has been done.

Cheers,

John


From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Tue Mar  8 13:06:13 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:06:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A890@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Aha - now that makes sense. Shutting off the fuel for the defective ignition circuit will prevent the cats from being hit with neat fuel, which can then burn within the cat due to the heat from exhaust gases from the other ignition circuit. This can damage the cat badly if it goes on for too long.

But... I still don't see how the TT could get damaged by the engine running off 4 cylinders (with or without the fuel cut off to the 'dead' ignition circuit), bearing in mind that its still a balanced output from the engine (not 4 cyls on one bank of the vee firing, and other bank not firing at all). Any other theories?

Does firing order come into it? If only one dizzy is spraying the sparks to 4 cyls, will its sequence be:
 left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
or
 left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank (ugh)?

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith

The cat protection system monitors the temperature of two of the exhaust ports, one on each ignition circuit. If one gets cold, it shuts down the injectors on the cylinders on the same ignition coil, not one bank of the V.
The idea is that no unburnt fuel hits the cats.

So if either one ignition system fails, or the protection system fails, the engine runs on four cylinders, and this is enough to cause premature failure of the drive shaft apparently.

Smiffy
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Tue Mar  8 13:17:32 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:17:32 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A891@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

John - thanks for sharing your experience... sounds like a tricky problem to catch & diagnose.

The answer to whether its better to fix or disable the temp monitoring/cut-off system isn't clear cut. If the monitoring system plays up then it forces you to needlessly run on 4 cyls (& potentially raise this TT damage issue). If it is disabled and you get an ignition circuit failure leading to 4 cyl running you will get fuel dumped into your cats which could damage/kill them.

I guess the real answer is that you shouldn't drive too far if the car ever falls into 4 cyl mode (particularly if we can work out why/if running in 4 cyl mode is harmful to your torque tube).

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of John Hambilton

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:00:51 -0000, you wrote:

>Jon - interesting hypothesis... but I don't understand how one bank can get cool - even if you lost one coil, the other coil drives 2 cylinders on each bank, so you would still get the same heat (albeit reduced heat) in both cats. If the monitoring system did then cut the ignition to one bank you'd end up running on just 2 cylinders... and I think you'd have to stop then! (lack of power & also unbalanced which is definitely bad for TT)
>
>How does the Nissan Sunny compare to a 928? ;-)
>
>Scott '91 GT
>

One way one side could appear cold and bring on a shutdown is if the
sensor is faulty. This happened to mine regularly until Chris
Sanderson at Loe Bank Motors identified the problem. I was in favour
of replacing the sensor but Chris advised that the system doesn't
really add any benfit and was only fitted to a few cars before Porsche
removed it... I wonder why! Having read this it strengthens the case
for disabling the system which, incidentally is done be replacing the
relay with a dummy plug which cost about ?20.

Thank goodness Chris identified the problem before it knackered my TT
or worse!

BTW - the reduction in power was very significant and did force you to
stop but it could happen at any time and a stop/start often
temporarily resolved the problem. I bought the car with this problem
so there's know telling how many times it had suffered the stress. A
year on from correcting the problem everything is fine so hopefully no
real harm has been done.

Cheers,
John
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 13:19:02 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:19:02 +0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A890@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A890@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <98697a4305030805191311bc52@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for confusing matters by talking about 4 cylinder mode, I didn't
mean the intentional cat protecting LH ECU controlled 4 cylinder mode
to stop fuel being fed to one bank.

Paul
87 S4 Manual - no cats anyway

PS still running fine with one distributor cap's graphite contact
superglued in place


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:06:13 -0000, Walker, Scott <SWalker at ndsuk.com> wrote:
> Aha - now that makes sense. Shutting off the fuel for the defective ignition circuit will prevent the cats from being hit with neat fuel, which can then burn within the cat due to the heat from exhaust gases from the other ignition circuit. This can damage the cat badly if it goes on for too long.
> 
> But... I still don't see how the TT could get damaged by the engine running off 4 cylinders (with or without the fuel cut off to the 'dead' ignition circuit), bearing in mind that its still a balanced output from the engine (not 4 cyls on one bank of the vee firing, and other bank not firing at all). Any other theories?
> 
> Does firing order come into it? If only one dizzy is spraying the sparks to 4 cyls, will its sequence be:
> left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
> or
> left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank (ugh)?
> 
> Scott '91 GT
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Paul R Smith
> 
> The cat protection system monitors the temperature of two of the exhaust ports, one on each ignition circuit. If one gets cold, it shuts down the injectors on the cylinders on the same ignition coil, not one bank of the V.
> The idea is that no unburnt fuel hits the cats.
> 
> So if either one ignition system fails, or the protection system fails, the engine runs on four cylinders, and this is enough to cause premature failure of the drive shaft apparently.
> 
> Smiffy
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From chrisclark at madasafish.com  Tue Mar  8 18:23:27 2005
From: chrisclark at madasafish.com (Chris Clark)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:23:27 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Radweld
Message-ID: <001a01c5240c$17a194c0$463abd50@oemcomputer>

Has anyone used Radweld (or an equivakent brand) in the cooling system of a 928?
Does it work?
Is there anything in it that would be harmfull to the internals of the 928 engine?
Thanks,
Chris Clark    (S2)
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Tue Mar  8 18:36:51 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:36:51 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Radweld
References: <001a01c5240c$17a194c0$463abd50@oemcomputer>
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  Has anyone used Radweld (or an equivakent brand) in the cooling system of a 928?
  Does it work?
  Is there anything in it that would be harmfull to the internals of the 928 engine?
  Thanks,
  Chris Clark    (S2)
  >>>>>>>>>
  Hi Chris,
  Yes, I used it when my 928's waterpump started leaking water at a great rate when I was 200 miles from home, and on my way to Scotland. I was rather doubtfull if it would work, but in fact the car was fine with minimal water leakage for over 1000miles.

  Just be careful to follow the directions carefully.

  Regards

  John





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From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar  8 18:35:53 2005
From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:35:53 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Radweld
In-Reply-To: <001a01c5240c$17a194c0$463abd50@oemcomputer>
References: <001a01c5240c$17a194c0$463abd50@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <hlrr21tekd5qf4dagq6cs87a6dbdekhr2h@4ax.com>

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:23:27 -0000, you wrote:

>Has anyone used Radweld (or an equivakent brand) in the cooling system of a 928?
>Does it work?
>Is there anything in it that would be harmfull to the internals of the 928 engine?
>Thanks,
>Chris Clark    (S2)

Chris,

I had it put in my S4 by Chris and Loe Bank without any ill effect but
it didn't sort the problem. It later turned out mine was leaking from
the plastic end sections. I think this is the place where they often
fail. Radweld wasn't up to sorting this. I think it's better suited to
small holes in the radiator itself. I've used it in my Rover any it
did the trick there brilliantly.

Cheers,

John


From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Tue Mar  8 18:43:30 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:43:30 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Radweld
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8A0@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Chris - I used Barrs Leaks (often recommended over Radweld), although my problem turned out to be a hole in the radiator core necessitating a new rad. It did hold up for a while though.

Its supposed to lubricate your water pump and so be beneficial in small amounts (i.e. one tub). However, I've also heard tales of it clogging up the coolant level sensor in the header tank in larger amounts - so don't go mad with it (multiple tubs).

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of John Hambilton

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:23:27 -0000, you wrote:

>Has anyone used Radweld (or an equivakent brand) in the cooling system of a 928?
>Does it work?
>Is there anything in it that would be harmfull to the internals of the 928 engine?
>Thanks,
>Chris Clark    (S2)

Chris,

I had it put in my S4 by Chris and Loe Bank without any ill effect but
it didn't sort the problem. It later turned out mine was leaking from
the plastic end sections. I think this is the place where they often
fail. Radweld wasn't up to sorting this. I think it's better suited to
small holes in the radiator itself. I've used it in my Rover any it
did the trick there brilliantly.

Cheers,

John
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From jj at folly.screaming.net  Tue Mar  8 21:25:10 2005
From: jj at folly.screaming.net (JJ)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:25:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDGEMMCEAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
Message-ID: <200503082124.j28LOXc02531@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

 I'm about to remove the rear cat from my 1995 GTS and replace it
with a rear muffler bypass that was previously fitted to my 1988
S4. Although I am not expecting any improvement in performance
(only sound) I don't want to do anything to potentially damage
the car. Am I safe in going ahead? Anyone?

JJ ??? 
1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth
Sent: 08 March 2005 08:08
To: marton; Paul; 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT
(coil) Leads

I have seen a fax from an employee at Porsche to a GTS owner in
the UK detailing this "phenomenom".

I recall said owner had his TT replaced out of warranty by
Porsche.

IIRC it only applies to cars with cats which have the temp
monitoring sensors on the exhausts, if one bank gets cool, it
cuts off the ignition to that bank to prevent damage to the cats.
In the UK this means probably cars built MY 1990 and on.

Jon in NZ
Nissan Sunny Hired, Toyota Landcruiser maybe purchased.
SE and GT somewhere hear Penang Malysia

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
[mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of marton
Sent: 08 March 2005 20:04
To: Paul; 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


be careful and don`t drive too much in 4 cylinder mode - this is
a known case of torque tube failure in S4s - how this can cause
the shaft too break I have no idea...

Marton


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


> I think the King leads suffer more than most, the routing seems
to 
> mean sharper bends and more cracks in the sheath. One of mine
caused 4 
> cylinder mode to occur when I was in France recently, luckily
it was 
> easy to diagnose as the arcing was clearly visible. I'm in the
market 
> for a pair of the early S4 leads as if anyone has any spare.
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT, smiffypr at snap.net.nz 
> <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
> > As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is
arcing, 
> > the
rest
> > of them probably need replacing too.
> >
> > Smiffy
> >
>

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From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 21:25:12 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:25:12 EST
Subject: [928uk] Brakes
Message-ID: <59.22e44fbf.2f5f7238@aol.com>

Hi Guys
 
Car's due for an MOT end of the month and its gonna need new discs and  pads.
Any recomendation on options ? Chris has recomended ceramic pads...  any 
negative feedback on fitting these?  I suppose they'll wear the discs a  lot 
quicker ?
 
Dave
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 22:04:41 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 17:04:41 EST
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <30.6dd781f8.2f5f7b79@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 08/03/2005 21:27:17 GMT Standard Time,  
jj at folly.screaming.net writes:

remove  the rear cat from my 1995 GTS 


No cat in my back box, rmb did no harm but sounds better (H&S twin 3")  HTH 
tim '92gts
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From marton at befree.ch  Tue Mar  8 23:16:55 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:16:55 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Radweld
References: <001a01c5240c$17a194c0$463abd50@oemcomputer>
	<hlrr21tekd5qf4dagq6cs87a6dbdekhr2h@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <00d101c52434$eb8098e0$0500000a@simone>

I had this problem about one tank leaking from the O ring between the tank &
core.

Foud a specialised radiator repairer who fixed it

Marton
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hambilton" <john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Radweld


> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:23:27 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >Has anyone used Radweld (or an equivakent brand) in the cooling system of
a 928?
> >Does it work?
> >Is there anything in it that would be harmfull to the internals of the
928 engine?
> >Thanks,
> >Chris Clark    (S2)
>
> Chris,
>
> I had it put in my S4 by Chris and Loe Bank without any ill effect but
> it didn't sort the problem. It later turned out mine was leaking from
> the plastic end sections. I think this is the place where they often
> fail. Radweld wasn't up to sorting this. I think it's better suited to
> small holes in the radiator itself. I've used it in my Rover any it
> did the trick there brilliantly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Wed Mar  9 06:40:15 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:40:15 +1300
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <200503082124.j28LOXc02531@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIENECEAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

JJ

the cats are side by side - first "boxes" after the engine, kind of under
the gear lever ish. The rear box is just that just a box. Take it off and
buy a 928 Specialists RMB - The twin pipe version is noisier than the oval
single pipe version. The Oval pipe version seems to swap high end power for
low end torque so may be the twin is the one to go for on a GTS - this is
jus a seat of the pants evaluation.

Jon in NZ
Nissan Sunny Hire Car
Black SE Silver GT - nearly in Penang.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of JJ
Sent: 09 March 2005 10:25
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil)
Leads


 I'm about to remove the rear cat from my 1995 GTS and replace it
with a rear muffler bypass that was previously fitted to my 1988
S4. Although I am not expecting any improvement in performance
(only sound) I don't want to do anything to potentially damage
the car. Am I safe in going ahead? Anyone?

JJ ???
1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth
Sent: 08 March 2005 08:08
To: marton; Paul; 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT
(coil) Leads

I have seen a fax from an employee at Porsche to a GTS owner in
the UK detailing this "phenomenom".

I recall said owner had his TT replaced out of warranty by
Porsche.

IIRC it only applies to cars with cats which have the temp
monitoring sensors on the exhausts, if one bank gets cool, it
cuts off the ignition to that bank to prevent damage to the cats.
In the UK this means probably cars built MY 1990 and on.

Jon in NZ
Nissan Sunny Hired, Toyota Landcruiser maybe purchased.
SE and GT somewhere hear Penang Malysia

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
[mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of marton
Sent: 08 March 2005 20:04
To: Paul; 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


be careful and don`t drive too much in 4 cylinder mode - this is
a known case of torque tube failure in S4s - how this can cause
the shaft too break I have no idea...

Marton


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


> I think the King leads suffer more than most, the routing seems
to
> mean sharper bends and more cracks in the sheath. One of mine
caused 4
> cylinder mode to occur when I was in France recently, luckily
it was
> easy to diagnose as the arcing was clearly visible. I'm in the
market
> for a pair of the early S4 leads as if anyone has any spare.
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT, smiffypr at snap.net.nz
> <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
> > As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is
arcing,
> > the
rest
> > of them probably need replacing too.
> >
> > Smiffy
> >
>

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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Wed Mar  9 06:43:06 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:43:06 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Radweld
In-Reply-To: <001a01c5240c$17a194c0$463abd50@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDMENECEAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Chris

Yes lots. (of Barrs Leaks)

it is or was a factory fit n Jags and Rover V8s

Also used Halfords Block Repair liquid - this sealed the crack in the SE
head 20000 miles ago. Hopefully after 8 weeks in a container it will sill be
sealed.

Jon in NZ
Black SE and Silver Gt nearly in Penang
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Chris Clark
  Sent: 09 March 2005 07:23
  To: 928 List
  Subject: [928uk] Radweld


  Has anyone used Radweld (or an equivakent brand) in the cooling system of
a 928?
  Does it work?
  Is there anything in it that would be harmfull to the internals of the 928
engine?
  Thanks,
  Chris Clark    (S2)
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From antony.osler at which.net  Wed Mar  9 08:51:49 2005
From: antony.osler at which.net (Antony Osler)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:51:49 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [928uk] Petrol filler cap
Message-ID: <422EB925.000003.00708@CHRYSTAL-A4>

I've been advised that the petrol smell which wafts into the windows when
they are open whilst going along is probably due to a faulty locking petrol
cap. The car was examined all round underneath without any visible sign of a
leak (apart from the smell). Does anyone on the list have a spare that I can
have/buy. I seem to remember that the lock barrels can be changed over so
that I will not need two keys.
Also ROB 583(?) on dark coloured S4 seen in Potters Bar yesterday-anyone on
list. (He failed to see me flash lights or toot so probably isn't).
Tony
POO928 (1986S2)
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 09:27:39 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 04:27:39 EST
Subject: [928uk] Petrol filler cap
Message-ID: <55.6e92f95e.2f601b8b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 09/03/2005 08:53:51 GMT Standard Time,  
antony.osler at which.net writes:

the  petrol smell which wafts into the windows when they are open whilst 
going  along is probably due to a faulty locking petrol cap


When i had this symptom it was the sender seal leaking; i did have to fill  
very full to get a liquid leak but i had a petrol smell most of the time (from  
vapour i guess). i'd diagnose as soon as you can as petrol burns quite well! 
HTH  Tim
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Wed Mar  9 11:05:12 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:05:12 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8A1@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

JJ - as Jon commented, the rear muffler (final exhaust box) is not a catalytic converter, just a "sound reducer". The cats (2 of them) are the first boxes in the exhaust after the engine, and you have two more intermediate mufflers (not cats) in the middle of the exhaust system (each located sort of under each rear seat). Then the two pipes come together at the rear box, or at the RMB if you swap out the rear box.

This thread was (in part) discussing what happens if your ignition system develops a fault and you end up dumping fuel into your cats. Replacing the rear box has no impact on this whatever. So go for it & enjoy the sound!

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of JJ

 I'm about to remove the rear cat from my 1995 GTS and replace it
with a rear muffler bypass that was previously fitted to my 1988
S4. Although I am not expecting any improvement in performance
(only sound) I don't want to do anything to potentially damage
the car. Am I safe in going ahead? Anyone?

JJ ??? 
1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth

I have seen a fax from an employee at Porsche to a GTS owner in
the UK detailing this "phenomenom".

I recall said owner had his TT replaced out of warranty by
Porsche.

IIRC it only applies to cars with cats which have the temp
monitoring sensors on the exhausts, if one bank gets cool, it
cuts off the ignition to that bank to prevent damage to the cats.
In the UK this means probably cars built MY 1990 and on.

Jon in NZ
Nissan Sunny Hired, Toyota Landcruiser maybe purchased.
SE and GT somewhere hear Penang Malysia
>

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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 11:41:29 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:41:29 EST
Subject: [928uk] Petrol filler cap
Message-ID: <74.4f1fca3f.2f603ae9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 09/03/2005 11:31:33 GMT Standard Time,  
rod.lonsdale1 at ntlworld.com writes:

Could  this be faulty or have a faulty connection?



That's right, i got the Y connector before i started getting the problem  
sorted; as a result i have one going cheap if needed, i don't think it cost much  
more than postage T
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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Wed Mar  9 13:44:37 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:44:37 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A890@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <000501c524ae$49e85700$02000003@oemcomputer>

In response to the question <If only one dizzy is spraying the sparks to
4 cyls, will its sequence be: left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
or left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank>

For my GTS:

Looking at the engine from top/front and numbering the cylinders from
the front:
Left bank = 1,2,3,4
Right bank = 5,6,7,8
Firing sequence = 1 3 7 2 6 5 4 8
Left side distributor fires 1 7 6 4
Right side distributor fires 3 2 5 8

So, if either set of cylinders serviced by one distributor shuts down,
the sequence is LLRR.  But, it's not quite that simple :^)

If you look at the firing sequence with 3258 shut down, 1764 (=7641)
gives a "zig-zag" firing pattern.
If you look at the firing sequence with 1764 shut down, 3258 (=8325)
gives a "linear" firing pattern.

I don't know the mechanics/mathematics for this but it seems intuitive
that the balance/imbalance results in these 2 cases will be different.

Again, not my area of expertise, but I understand the drive shaft
problem is caused by the "pulsed" torque which is applied to it if the
transmission is put under load with the engine running on 4 cylinders.

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walker, Scott
  To: 928UK
  Sent: 08 March 2005 13:06
  Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil)
Leads


  Aha - now that makes sense. Shutting off the fuel for the defective
ignition circuit will prevent the cats from being hit with neat fuel,
which can then burn within the cat due to the heat from exhaust gases
from the other ignition circuit. This can damage the cat badly if it
goes on for too long.

  But... I still don't see how the TT could get damaged by the engine
running off 4 cylinders (with or without the fuel cut off to the 'dead'
ignition circuit), bearing in mind that its still a balanced output from
the engine (not 4 cyls on one bank of the vee firing, and other bank not
firing at all). Any other theories?

  Does firing order come into it? If only one dizzy is spraying the
sparks to 4 cyls, will its sequence be:
   left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
  or
   left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank (ugh)?

  Scott '91 GT

  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
  Behalf Of Paul R Smith

  The cat protection system monitors the temperature of two of the
exhaust ports, one on each ignition circuit. If one gets cold, it shuts
down the injectors on the cylinders on the same ignition coil, not one
bank of the V.
  The idea is that no unburnt fuel hits the cats.

  So if either one ignition system fails, or the protection system
fails, the engine runs on four cylinders, and this is enough to cause
premature failure of the drive shaft apparently.

  Smiffy
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From cammackmartin at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  9 16:45:52 2005
From: cammackmartin at hotmail.com (rich martin)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:45:52 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Novice success
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV1828CAEF525B2EF09E88C6A9510@phx.gbl>

Dear All,

Thought I would add this encouragement for anyone else out there that is tired of being charged through the nose for minor procedures on the car. Feeling rather pleased with myself as changed the rear brake pads today. Never done anything on a car like this before. Thanks to the mountain of help and technical articles on the internet, did it 3 hours. Not bad I think for the first go. The first calliper took 2 hours so a learning curve there is. Managed to Zymol the car too. All in all 6 hours well spent.

Thanks to everyone who offered advice.

Rich
Manual S4
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From angusf at mac.com  Wed Mar  9 18:07:08 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:07:08 +0000
Subject: [928uk] AOL Users
In-Reply-To: <0c463e592d440a251aeed03aaa4de672@mac.com>
References: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFMEPLCCAA.mike@dawe.com>
	<0c463e592d440a251aeed03aaa4de672@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a71c000539b586c192794996cc680c38@mac.com>

Over 100 registered users on the web site. Over 400 on the mail list.  
Great stuff.

If you are on AOL see below

Angus
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On 21 Feb 2005, at 10:29 pm, Angus wrote:

> If you are using AOL'S browser or a browser that doesnt work correctly  
> with the site you can try clicking 'remember me' and then logging on.  
> This has worked for some people who cant access 'mambo' content from  
> AOL. (There is a nasty bug in AOL's version of Internet Explorer with  
> our content management system).
>
> Alternatively you can use a better safer and faster browser even on  
> AOL by clicking the link below :-)
>
> <a  
> href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=70636&amp; 
> t=1">Get Firefox!</a>
>
> Angus
> 928.org.uk webmaster
>



From paul at psbservices.co.uk  Wed Mar  9 19:40:10 2005
From: paul at psbservices.co.uk (Paul Bird)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:40:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Spotted
Message-ID: <004501c524df$e718db40$af5330d5@default>

On M5 southbound between junctions 5 and 6 about 5.30pm today. I was northbound so only got a fleeting glimpse but looked like grey S4.
Anyone on list?

Paul (PSB)
86 S2
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From tassos at book2eat.com  Wed Mar  9 20:53:28 2005
From: tassos at book2eat.com (Tassos Stassinopoulos)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:53:28 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Fuel Smell
Message-ID: <00f001c524ea$23421e10$0501a8c0@TOSHLAP>

Someone had a problem with fuel smell, came across this link (look further 
down), which might help:


> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carl.hender/928s4.htm
> 



From antony.osler at which.net  Wed Mar  9 22:45:59 2005
From: antony.osler at which.net (Tony Osler)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:45:59 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Petrol filler cap
In-Reply-To: <55.6e92f95e.2f601b8b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHOEOBCHAA.antony.osler@which.net>

Thanks Tim, where exactly is the sender seal located? I'm also going to look
at the Y connector and eBay for filler caps.

Tony
  -----Original Message-----
  From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com [mailto:TIMCOAGF at aol.com]
  Sent: 09 March 2005 09:28
  To: antony.osler at which.net; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Petrol filler cap


  In a message dated 09/03/2005 08:53:51 GMT Standard Time,
antony.osler at which.net writes:
    the petrol smell which wafts into the windows when they are open whilst
going along is probably due to a faulty locking petrol cap
  When i had this symptom it was the sender seal leaking; i did have to fill
very full to get a liquid leak but i had a petrol smell most of the time
(from vapour i guess). i'd diagnose as soon as you can as petrol burns quite
well! HTH Tim
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 00:07:22 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:07:22 EST
Subject: [928uk] Petrol filler cap
Message-ID: <15a.4c201368.2f60e9ba@aol.com>

Hi Tony, sender is accessed through a hole in the boot area floor, the seal  
is between sender and tank top. I've only tightened mine so far which has 
cured  the leak, will get a new seal next time i book in for a service, HTH  Tim
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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Wed Mar  9 14:18:27 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:18:27 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <200503082124.j28LOXc02531@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c52513$e0aa7140$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi JJ

I had an RMB fitted to my GTS in August 2000 and 25,600 miles later I
have had no problems at all.

There is one down-side:  With the release of that wonderful V8 noise you
will find yourself wanting to drive with the window open all the time.
This can result in colds and muscle aches in winter.  Check your heater
is fully functional  :^)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JJ
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 08 March 2005 21:25
  Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil)
Leads


  I'm about to remove the rear cat from my 1995 GTS and replace it
  with a rear muffler bypass that was previously fitted to my 1988
  S4. Although I am not expecting any improvement in performance
  (only sound) I don't want to do anything to potentially damage
  the car. Am I safe in going ahead? Anyone?

  JJ ???
  1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto


  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
  On Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth
  Sent: 08 March 2005 08:08
  To: marton; Paul; 928UK
  Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT
  (coil) Leads

  I have seen a fax from an employee at Porsche to a GTS owner in
  the UK detailing this "phenomenom".

  I recall said owner had his TT replaced out of warranty by
  Porsche.

  IIRC it only applies to cars with cats which have the temp
  monitoring sensors on the exhausts, if one bank gets cool, it
  cuts off the ignition to that bank to prevent damage to the cats.
  In the UK this means probably cars built MY 1990 and on.

  Jon in NZ
  Nissan Sunny Hired, Toyota Landcruiser maybe purchased.
  SE and GT somewhere hear Penang Malysia

  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
  [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
  Behalf Of marton
  Sent: 08 March 2005 20:04
  To: Paul; 928UK
  Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


  be careful and don`t drive too much in 4 cylinder mode - this is
  a known case of torque tube failure in S4s - how this can cause
  the shaft too break I have no idea...

  Marton


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
  To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] HT (coil) Leads


  > I think the King leads suffer more than most, the routing seems
  to
  > mean sharper bends and more cracks in the sheath. One of mine
  caused 4
  > cylinder mode to occur when I was in France recently, luckily
  it was
  > easy to diagnose as the arcing was clearly visible. I'm in the
  market
  > for a pair of the early S4 leads as if anyone has any spare.
  >
  > Paul
  > 87 S4 Manual
  >
  >
  > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:08:19 GMT, smiffypr at snap.net.nz
  > <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
  > > As HT leads deteriorate with age and heat, if one lead is
  arcing,
  > > the
  rest
  > > of them probably need replacing too.
  > >
  > > Smiffy
  > >
  >

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From MARKBIRRI at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 01:55:35 2005
From: MARKBIRRI at aol.com (MARKBIRRI at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:55:35 EST
Subject: [928uk] T-CUT scratch repair
Message-ID: <1f5.5cc4f75.2f610317@aol.com>

Hi all, i,ve got a couple of very light scratches on the windscreen of my  S4 
that have been bugging me for a while now,although certainly not enough  to 
warrant changing the screen. i was having a nose around in halfords today and  
came across a tube of ' t-cut scratch repair' polish. it claims to work on 
glass  and i was wondering if anybody has tried it and did it work? it is  
primarily used on bodywork but after applying you have to give the area a good  
polish to make sure the paintwork doesnt go 'flat' . could this 'scratch  repair' 
do any damage to my windscreen or should i just go and buy a tube and  have a 
go?    all the best, mark birri  88s4
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Mar 10 09:31:22 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:31:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] T-CUT scratch repair
References: <1f5.5cc4f75.2f610317@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003301c52553$eca6e100$c6e6cbac@aoldsl.net>



  Hi all, i,ve got a couple of very light scratches on the windscreen of my S4 that have been bugging me for a while now,although certainly not enough to warrant changing the screen. i was having a nose around in halfords today and came across a tube of ' t-cut scratch repair' polish. it claims to work on glass and i was wondering if anybody has tried it and did it work? it is primarily used on bodywork but after applying you have to give the area a good polish to make sure the paintwork doesnt go 'flat' . could this 'scratch repair' do any damage to my windscreen or should i just go and buy a tube and have a go?    all the best, mark birri 88s4
  >>>>>>>>>>

  Hi Mark,

  It depends how deep the scratches are. I've tried T-Cut on sme marks on my windscreen (looks like a faulty wiper blade caused them) and I can't say it has helped reduce them.

  The T cut I used was a liquid in a tin, which is the usual paint restorer/cutting compound. Maybe the stuff in the tube is more agressive.

  Do buy a tube, and let us know how you get on !

  John


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From justin at pressland.co.uk  Thu Mar 10 09:59:47 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:59:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] T-CUT scratch repair
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446CB1EBA@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

my glass shop says you cannot remove anything
but very minor scratches from glass.
 
I would drive to a glass shop (as in a glazier)
and show them the scratches - these
people work with glass day in, day out.
 
or ask Autoglass et al.
 
or get a piece of glass, scratch it and try 
the product out.
 
Justin
proto CS

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of John Speake
Sent: 10 March 2005 09:31
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] T-CUT scratch repair



 

	
	Hi all, i,ve got a couple of very light scratches on the
windscreen of my S4 that have been bugging me for a while now,although
certainly not enough to warrant changing the screen. i was having a nose
around in halfords today and came across a tube of ' t-cut scratch
repair' polish. it claims to work on glass and i was wondering if
anybody has tried it and did it work? it is primarily used on bodywork
but after applying you have to give the area a good polish to make sure
the paintwork doesnt go 'flat' . could this 'scratch repair' do any
damage to my windscreen or should i just go and buy a tube and have a
go?    all the best, mark birri 88s4

	>>>>>>>>>> 

	Hi Mark, 

	It depends how deep the scratches are. I've tried T-Cut on sme
marks on my windscreen (looks like a faulty wiper blade caused them) and
I can't say it has helped reduce them. 

	The T cut I used was a liquid in a tin, which is the usual paint
restorer/cutting compound. Maybe the stuff in the tube is more
agressive. 

	Do buy a tube, and let us know how you get on ! 

	John 

	 

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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Thu Mar 10 11:45:06 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:45:06 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B0@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Good post George. It is true that all production V8 engines run an uneven cycle - i.e. 4 "zig-zag" firings (balanced, going between banks of the vee) plus 2 bouts of "linear" firing (unbalanced, going between cylinders on one bank: these are the 1->3 and 6->5 sequences).

But then the crankshaft is 2 plane (not single ['flat'] plane crank as used in 4 cyl engines), i.e. its tricky to visualise where individual pistons will be at any one point in time for a V8 - except that you know they'll be near TDC at the firing point.  It's much easier to visualise in a 4 cyl (single plane crank), because when 2 pistons are 'up' the other 2 are 'down'. But on a V8 the 'uneven' firing order coupled with this 2-plane crank actually produces a balanced engine.

So I can't easily work out how the balance is affected when firing only 1-7-6-4 or only 3-2-5-8. Maybe someone who's stripped down a V8 block can visualise it?

I've come across discussions which talk about uneven forces acting on the drive between the camshafts & crank on quad-cam V8's (due to the uneven firing necessitating a multi-plane distribution of the cam lobes on the camshafts)... but this drives an argument for stronger camchains/belts (due to 'torque reversals'), and assumes all the cyls are firing!

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of George Layton

In response to the question <If only one dizzy is spraying the sparks to
4 cyls, will its sequence be: left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
or left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank>

For my GTS:

Looking at the engine from top/front and numbering the cylinders from
the front:
Left bank = 1,2,3,4
Right bank = 5,6,7,8
Firing sequence = 1 3 7 2 6 5 4 8
Left side distributor fires 1 7 6 4
Right side distributor fires 3 2 5 8

So, if either set of cylinders serviced by one distributor shuts down,
the sequence is LLRR.  But, it's not quite that simple :^)

If you look at the firing sequence with 3258 shut down, 1764 (=7641)
gives a "zig-zag" firing pattern.
If you look at the firing sequence with 1764 shut down, 3258 (=8325)
gives a "linear" firing pattern.

I don't know the mechanics/mathematics for this but it seems intuitive
that the balance/imbalance results in these 2 cases will be different.

Again, not my area of expertise, but I understand the drive shaft
problem is caused by the "pulsed" torque which is applied to it if the
transmission is put under load with the engine running on 4 cylinders.

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walker, Scott

  But... I still don't see how the TT could get damaged by the engine
running off 4 cylinders (with or without the fuel cut off to the 'dead'
ignition circuit), bearing in mind that its still a balanced output from
the engine (not 4 cyls on one bank of the vee firing, and other bank not
firing at all). Any other theories?

  Does firing order come into it? If only one dizzy is spraying the
sparks to 4 cyls, will its sequence be:
   left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
  or
   left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank (ugh)?

  Scott '91 GT
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From marton at befree.ch  Thu Mar 10 13:36:07 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:36:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Novice success
References: <BAY101-DAV1828CAEF525B2EF09E88C6A9510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401c52576$1d6a46c0$0500000a@simone>

EXCELLENT
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rich martin 
  To: 928uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:45 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Novice success


  Dear All,

  Thought I would add this encouragement for anyone else out there that is tired of being charged through the nose for minor procedures on the car. Feeling rather pleased with myself as changed the rear brake pads today. Never done anything on a car like this before. Thanks to the mountain of help and technical articles on the internet, did it 3 hours. Not bad I think for the first go. The first calliper took 2 hours so a learning curve there is. Managed to Zymol the car too. All in all 6 hours well spent.

  Thanks to everyone who offered advice.

  Rich
  Manual S4


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From mike at dawe.com  Thu Mar 10 16:57:59 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:57:59 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B0@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFMECHCDAA.mike@dawe.com>

Can I have a pennies worth here? If the engine is balanced on eight
cylinders ,then,as it is a V configuration, then I cannot see it being
anything but unbalanced when on four cylinders! I suggest that the damage is
done as the motor fires unevenly on the four cylinders, and the whole engine
will rock to-and-fro and at a frequency and severity that might fatigue the
torque tube quite rapidly......Or is that too bloody obvious? Mike ( T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Walker, Scott
Sent: 10 March 2005 11:45
To: 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil)
Leads


Good post George. It is true that all production V8 engines run an uneven
cycle - i.e. 4 "zig-zag" firings (balanced, going between banks of the vee)
plus 2 bouts of "linear" firing (unbalanced, going between cylinders on one
bank: these are the 1->3 and 6->5 sequences).

But then the crankshaft is 2 plane (not single ['flat'] plane crank as used
in 4 cyl engines), i.e. its tricky to visualise where individual pistons
will be at any one point in time for a V8 - except that you know they'll be
near TDC at the firing point.  It's much easier to visualise in a 4 cyl
(single plane crank), because when 2 pistons are 'up' the other 2 are
'down'. But on a V8 the 'uneven' firing order coupled with this 2-plane
crank actually produces a balanced engine.

So I can't easily work out how the balance is affected when firing only
1-7-6-4 or only 3-2-5-8. Maybe someone who's stripped down a V8 block can
visualise it?

I've come across discussions which talk about uneven forces acting on the
drive between the camshafts & crank on quad-cam V8's (due to the uneven
firing necessitating a multi-plane distribution of the cam lobes on the
camshafts)... but this drives an argument for stronger camchains/belts (due
to 'torque reversals'), and assumes all the cyls are firing!

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of George Layton

In response to the question <If only one dizzy is spraying the sparks to
4 cyls, will its sequence be: left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
or left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank>

For my GTS:

Looking at the engine from top/front and numbering the cylinders from
the front:
Left bank = 1,2,3,4
Right bank = 5,6,7,8
Firing sequence = 1 3 7 2 6 5 4 8
Left side distributor fires 1 7 6 4
Right side distributor fires 3 2 5 8

So, if either set of cylinders serviced by one distributor shuts down,
the sequence is LLRR.  But, it's not quite that simple :^)

If you look at the firing sequence with 3258 shut down, 1764 (=7641)
gives a "zig-zag" firing pattern.
If you look at the firing sequence with 1764 shut down, 3258 (=8325)
gives a "linear" firing pattern.

I don't know the mechanics/mathematics for this but it seems intuitive
that the balance/imbalance results in these 2 cases will be different.

Again, not my area of expertise, but I understand the drive shaft
problem is caused by the "pulsed" torque which is applied to it if the
transmission is put under load with the engine running on 4 cylinders.

George.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Walker, Scott

  But... I still don't see how the TT could get damaged by the engine
running off 4 cylinders (with or without the fuel cut off to the 'dead'
ignition circuit), bearing in mind that its still a balanced output from
the engine (not 4 cyls on one bank of the vee firing, and other bank not
firing at all). Any other theories?

  Does firing order come into it? If only one dizzy is spraying the
sparks to 4 cyls, will its sequence be:
   left bank/right bank/left bank/right bank
  or
   left bank/left bank/right bank/right bank (ugh)?

  Scott '91 GT
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Thu Mar 10 17:23:18 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:23:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B2@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

No Mike - its not that bad! I know when one of my king leads shorted that its more like someone putting a brick under your gas pedal (low power) + a different engine note. It doesn't shake your fillings out. Remember that its not all 4 cyls on one bank that get taken out - it still runs on 2 cyls per V-bank.

With your T reg you could simulate it by taking alternate HT leads off your 8-way dizzy until you were left with 4 :-)

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
Sent: 10 March 2005 16:58

Can I have a pennies worth here? If the engine is balanced on eight
cylinders ,then,as it is a V configuration, then I cannot see it being
anything but unbalanced when on four cylinders! I suggest that the damage is
done as the motor fires unevenly on the four cylinders, and the whole engine
will rock to-and-fro and at a frequency and severity that might fatigue the
torque tube quite rapidly......Or is that too bloody obvious? Mike ( T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Walker, Scott

Good post George. It is true that all production V8 engines run an uneven
cycle - i.e. 4 "zig-zag" firings (balanced, going between banks of the vee)
plus 2 bouts of "linear" firing (unbalanced, going between cylinders on one
bank: these are the 1->3 and 6->5 sequences).

But then the crankshaft is 2 plane (not single ['flat'] plane crank as used
in 4 cyl engines), i.e. its tricky to visualise where individual pistons
will be at any one point in time for a V8 - except that you know they'll be
near TDC at the firing point.  It's much easier to visualise in a 4 cyl
(single plane crank), because when 2 pistons are 'up' the other 2 are
'down'. But on a V8 the 'uneven' firing order coupled with this 2-plane
crank actually produces a balanced engine.

So I can't easily work out how the balance is affected when firing only
1-7-6-4 or only 3-2-5-8. Maybe someone who's stripped down a V8 block can
visualise it?
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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Mar 10 20:20:49 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:20:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights
Message-ID: <007a01c525ae$c8add5a0$02000003@oemcomputer>

If anyone has a set of wiring diagrams handy and knows a bit about the
928's electrical systems I would like to know the following for a 1995
GTS Auto:

What are the colours of the wires which supply current to the LHS and
RHS brake lights ??
What route do these take through the car  ??

I am assuming that there are 2 separate circuits from some point as the
bulb failure warning system has to compare the current in each one - is
this correct ??
If so, at what point is this split ??
What is the current variance that will trigger the warning system ??

I understand that there are 2 micro switches mounted on or behind the
brake pedal - are these both for the brake lights or is one (or both)
for something else ??

As you may have guessed, I have finally bought a third brake light and
need to wire it up.

I have measured the current for the new light at 210mA, so it is 2.52W.
The standard brake light bulbs are 21W, so if I connect the new light to
one side this will create a 12% difference between the two circuits.
I'm not sure if this will trigger the warning system. If it does I shall
have to connect a 2.5W load to the other side :^(

JJ has had one of these lights installed in his GTS and all is well, but
his installers may have done something cunning :^)

Thanks,

George.



From stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk  Thu Mar 10 20:30:48 2005
From: stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk (Stuart Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:30:48 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B2@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <FAECKGLEOOEPBMJJNGODIEDFCGAA.stuart.lawrence@928.org.uk>

Makes you wonder how the new breed of American V8's (I think some European
cars may do this as well) manage when they deliberately shut down four
cylinders in order to save fuel when cruising. Perhaps they cycle the 4 that
are firing (i.e. not the same 4 cylinders shut down all the time) in order
to produce a balanced output.

Stuart Lawrence
1985 S2

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Walker, Scott
Sent: 10 March 2005 17:23
To: mike at dawe.com; 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil)
Leads


No Mike - its not that bad! I know when one of my king leads shorted that
its more like someone putting a brick under your gas pedal (low power) + a
different engine note. It doesn't shake your fillings out. Remember that its
not all 4 cyls on one bank that get taken out - it still runs on 2 cyls per
V-bank.

With your T reg you could simulate it by taking alternate HT leads off your
8-way dizzy until you were left with 4 :-)

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
Sent: 10 March 2005 16:58

Can I have a pennies worth here? If the engine is balanced on eight
cylinders ,then,as it is a V configuration, then I cannot see it being
anything but unbalanced when on four cylinders! I suggest that the damage is
done as the motor fires unevenly on the four cylinders, and the whole engine
will rock to-and-fro and at a frequency and severity that might fatigue the
torque tube quite rapidly......Or is that too bloody obvious? Mike ( T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Walker, Scott

Good post George. It is true that all production V8 engines run an uneven
cycle - i.e. 4 "zig-zag" firings (balanced, going between banks of the vee)
plus 2 bouts of "linear" firing (unbalanced, going between cylinders on one
bank: these are the 1->3 and 6->5 sequences).

But then the crankshaft is 2 plane (not single ['flat'] plane crank as used
in 4 cyl engines), i.e. its tricky to visualise where individual pistons
will be at any one point in time for a V8 - except that you know they'll be
near TDC at the firing point.  It's much easier to visualise in a 4 cyl
(single plane crank), because when 2 pistons are 'up' the other 2 are
'down'. But on a V8 the 'uneven' firing order coupled with this 2-plane
crank actually produces a balanced engine.

So I can't easily work out how the balance is affected when firing only
1-7-6-4 or only 3-2-5-8. Maybe someone who's stripped down a V8 block can
visualise it?
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Mar 10 21:09:51 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:09:51 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights
References: <007a01c525ae$c8add5a0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002301c525b5$8079c760$1e91d8ac@aoldsl.net>


> If anyone has a set of wiring diagrams handy and knows a bit about the
> 928's electrical systems I would like to know the following for a 1995
> GTS Auto:
> 
> What are the colours of the wires which supply current to the LHS and
> RHS brake lights ??
>>>>>>>>>

Hi George,
Isn't it about time you bought a workshop manual CD ?  :-)

John


From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 21:32:01 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:32:01 +0000
Subject: [928uk] If you have an Auto - you really should read this
Message-ID: <98697a4305031013324d56e10d@mail.gmail.com>

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=189614

Be aware that a number of cars have died simply because owners (and
possibly service centres) were unaware of this issue.

Paul
87 Manual - selfless post, less spares for me!


From mike at dawe.com  Thu Mar 10 22:22:47 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:22:47 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B2@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFEECJCDAA.mike@dawe.com>

No thanks,I have enough trouble keeping it on 8! Am aware of 928 firing
order and configuration of crank.....the very low 'vibes' that you mention
might do the damage to the TT . Best not to drive far on four cylinders!
Mike (T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com]
Sent: 10 March 2005 17:23
To: mike at dawe.com; 928UK
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil)
Leads


No Mike - its not that bad! I know when one of my king leads shorted that
its more like someone putting a brick under your gas pedal (low power) + a
different engine note. It doesn't shake your fillings out. Remember that its
not all 4 cyls on one bank that get taken out - it still runs on 2 cyls per
V-bank.

With your T reg you could simulate it by taking alternate HT leads off your
8-way dizzy until you were left with 4 :-)

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
Sent: 10 March 2005 16:58

Can I have a pennies worth here? If the engine is balanced on eight
cylinders ,then,as it is a V configuration, then I cannot see it being
anything but unbalanced when on four cylinders! I suggest that the damage is
done as the motor fires unevenly on the four cylinders, and the whole engine
will rock to-and-fro and at a frequency and severity that might fatigue the
torque tube quite rapidly......Or is that too bloody obvious? Mike ( T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Walker, Scott

Good post George. It is true that all production V8 engines run an uneven
cycle - i.e. 4 "zig-zag" firings (balanced, going between banks of the vee)
plus 2 bouts of "linear" firing (unbalanced, going between cylinders on one
bank: these are the 1->3 and 6->5 sequences).

But then the crankshaft is 2 plane (not single ['flat'] plane crank as used
in 4 cyl engines), i.e. its tricky to visualise where individual pistons
will be at any one point in time for a V8 - except that you know they'll be
near TDC at the firing point.  It's much easier to visualise in a 4 cyl
(single plane crank), because when 2 pistons are 'up' the other 2 are
'down'. But on a V8 the 'uneven' firing order coupled with this 2-plane
crank actually produces a balanced engine.

So I can't easily work out how the balance is affected when firing only
1-7-6-4 or only 3-2-5-8. Maybe someone who's stripped down a V8 block can
visualise it?
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From Dk928 at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 22:50:37 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:50:37 EST
Subject: [928uk] If you have an Auto - you really should read this
Message-ID: <df.efdcde5.2f62293d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/03/05 21:37:02 GMT Standard Time, ukkid35 at gmail.com  
writes:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=189614



Hi Paul
 
Are you actually asking list members interested in this modification  to put 
their hand up?
If so I'd probably go for it.
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From aedawn.cox at tesco.net  Thu Mar 10 23:04:32 2005
From: aedawn.cox at tesco.net (Dawn Cox)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:04:32 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Novice success
References: <BAY101-DAV1828CAEF525B2EF09E88C6A9510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00dd01c525c5$a5ff8aa0$0101a8c0@hppav>

Rich,

Well done, not only have you moved up hierarchy to become a practical forum member - I can now give you the chance to be further promoted to practical member who gives technical advice based on his experience.

I have to do the same job to my S4 soon (that warning light is getting annoying!)

Did you fit new damper plates to the pistons when you put in the new pads?  If so, did you buy them separately or do they come with the pads?  

Cheers,


Stuart
88 S4 Manual
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rich martin 
  To: 928uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:45 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Novice success


  Dear All,

  Thought I would add this encouragement for anyone else out there that is tired of being charged through the nose for minor procedures on the car. Feeling rather pleased with myself as changed the rear brake pads today. Never done anything on a car like this before. Thanks to the mountain of help and technical articles on the internet, did it 3 hours. Not bad I think for the first go. The first calliper took 2 hours so a learning curve there is. Managed to Zymol the car too. All in all 6 hours well spent.

  Thanks to everyone who offered advice.

  Rich
  Manual S4


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From chrisclark at madasafish.com  Thu Mar 10 23:53:15 2005
From: chrisclark at madasafish.com (Chris Clark)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:53:15 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser  problems
Message-ID: <001c01c525ce$3a98a4a0$f433bd50@oemcomputer>

A friend has a 928 S4 that was fitted with a Porsche-approved immobiliser by the supplying dealer when new in the late 80's.  The system has developed an intermittent fault so that sometimes the car will not start  -  turning the key does not power the ignition or the starter motor.
Can anyone familiar with these systems offer advice, or is there a specialist in the West Midlands or North West of England?
Thanks,
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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Mar 10 23:54:55 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:54:55 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights
References: <007a01c525ae$c8add5a0$02000003@oemcomputer>
	<002301c525b5$8079c760$1e91d8ac@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <000001c525e0$180c79e0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi John :^)

Re <Isn't it about time you bought a workshop manual CD ?>

Is this the one that was created by Jim Morehouse (?) in the USA ??

I wasn't sure that the GTS updates or the wiring diagrams were included.
If they are both there, then yes, how much does it cost and does one
need any particular software to use it ??

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Speake
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 10 March 2005 21:09
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights



  > If anyone has a set of wiring diagrams handy and knows a bit about
the
  > 928's electrical systems I would like to know the following for a
1995
  > GTS Auto:
  >
  > What are the colours of the wires which supply current to the LHS
and
  > RHS brake lights ??
  >>>>>>>>>

  Hi George,
  Isn't it about time you bought a workshop manual CD ?  :-)

  John
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 06:18:23 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:18:23 +0000
Subject: [928uk] If you have an Auto - you really should read this
In-Reply-To: <df.efdcde5.2f62293d@aol.com>
References: <df.efdcde5.2f62293d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <98697a43050310221857cfe515@mail.gmail.com>

Just trying to raise awareness of the issue, as well as a possible
solution. It seems we hear about Thurst Bearing Failure cars all too
often, and new owners are sometimes oblivious to this failure mode as
it is specific to post '83(?) 928 autos.

Paul


On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:50:37 EST, Dk928 at aol.com <Dk928 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/03/05 21:37:02 GMT Standard Time, ukkid35 at gmail.com
> writes:
> http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=189614
> 
> Hi Paul
>  
> Are you actually asking list members interested in this modification to put
> their hand up?
> If so I'd probably go for it.
> Dave


From aedawn.cox at tesco.net  Fri Mar 11 07:24:57 2005
From: aedawn.cox at tesco.net (Dawn Cox)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:24:57 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights
References: <007a01c525ae$c8add5a0$02000003@oemcomputer><002301c525b5$8079c760$1e91d8ac@aoldsl.net>
	<000001c525e0$180c79e0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006301c5260c$75f54b00$0101a8c0@hppav>

George,

I bought my workshop manual from www.workshopmanuals.com

It cost ?10 for the CD and its a series of Adobe acrobat documents.

It's not fancy - someone has simply scanned a paper copy of the old workshop
manuals and published the result in acrobat.  It covers all the models.

Cheers,

Stuart

88 S4 manual
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Layton" <George.Layton at ukgateway.net>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights


> Hi John :^)
>
> Re <Isn't it about time you bought a workshop manual CD ?>
>
> Is this the one that was created by Jim Morehouse (?) in the USA ??
>
> I wasn't sure that the GTS updates or the wiring diagrams were included.
> If they are both there, then yes, how much does it cost and does one
> need any particular software to use it ??
>
> George.
>
>



From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Mar 11 07:23:08 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:23:08 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Novice success
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c525c5$a5ff8aa0$0101a8c0@hppav>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIENPCEAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Stuart

As well as pads there are slider plates - the stainless stuff you can see
and the "flowers" for want of a better description that stick to the rear of
the pads, the "petals" of which slide into the the pistons.

I have succesfully reused the "flowers"  and not bothered with them no
noticeable affects. The slider plates that hold the pads fore and aft in the
caliper, get lots of Alu corrosion under them which stps them working as
intended with the result that you get lots of brake squeal. if you leave the
corrosion long enough the calipers will be scrap. it is worth while removing
the plates and then all the white corrosion and the repainting the calipers.

Jon in nZ
SE and GT nearly here
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Dawn Cox
  Sent: 11 March 2005 12:05
  To: rich martin; 928uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Novice success


  Rich,

  Well done, not only have you moved up hierarchy to become a practical
forum member - I can now give you the chance to be further promoted to
practical member who gives technical advice based on his experience.

  I have to do the same job to my S4 soon (that warning light is getting
annoying!)

  Did you fit new damper plates to the pistons when you put in the new pads?
If so, did you buy them separately or do they come with the pads?

  Cheers,


  Stuart
  88 S4 Manual
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: rich martin
    To: 928uk
    Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:45 PM
    Subject: [928uk] Novice success


    Dear All,

    Thought I would add this encouragement for anyone else out there that is
tired of being charged through the nose for minor procedures on the car.
Feeling rather pleased with myself as changed the rear brake pads today.
Never done anything on a car like this before. Thanks to the mountain of
help and technical articles on the internet, did it 3 hours. Not bad I think
for the first go. The first calliper took 2 hours so a learning curve there
is. Managed to Zymol the car too. All in all 6 hours well spent.

    Thanks to everyone who offered advice.

    Rich
    Manual S4


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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Fri Mar 11 07:38:52 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:38:52 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights
References: <007a01c525ae$c8add5a0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004801c5260d$603eb5c0$bd667cca@computername>

The WD for the 94 shows all the brake light wires as Black/Red.
It seems that the warning light is not too sensitive to current variations on the brake 
lights like it is for tail lights. The WD show the third brake light (std US market) just 
connected to one of the two outputs from the warning unit.
I have recently fitted an LED third brake light, just connected to the right brake light 
circuit, with no problem.

I can only see one switch on the diagram, and it is also connected to the cruise control. 
It is possible that yours has a separate switch for the CC.

Smiffy



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Layton" <George.Layton at ukgateway.net>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:20 AM
Subject: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights


> If anyone has a set of wiring diagrams handy and knows a bit about the
> 928's electrical systems I would like to know the following for a 1995
> GTS Auto:
>
> What are the colours of the wires which supply current to the LHS and
> RHS brake lights ??
> What route do these take through the car  ??
>
> I am assuming that there are 2 separate circuits from some point as the
> bulb failure warning system has to compare the current in each one - is
> this correct ??
> If so, at what point is this split ??
> What is the current variance that will trigger the warning system ??
>
> I understand that there are 2 micro switches mounted on or behind the
> brake pedal - are these both for the brake lights or is one (or both)
> for something else ??
>
> As you may have guessed, I have finally bought a third brake light and
> need to wire it up.
>
> I have measured the current for the new light at 210mA, so it is 2.52W.
> The standard brake light bulbs are 21W, so if I connect the new light to
> one side this will create a 12% difference between the two circuits.
> I'm not sure if this will trigger the warning system. If it does I shall
> have to connect a 2.5W load to the other side :^(
>
> JJ has had one of these lights installed in his GTS and all is well, but
> his installers may have done something cunning :^)
>
> Thanks,
>
> George.
>
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From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk  Fri Mar 11 08:20:12 2005
From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:20:12 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Wiring for the brake lights
Message-ID: <s23154dc.022@mailhost.eden.gov.uk>

Hi George

I fitted a 3rd light and took a single feed wire straight off the switch on the brake pedal.  Ran it up behind the dash then under the trim up the roof edge and finally behind the roof trim panel to the little plastic channel where the wires feed into the hatch panel.  Ran a ground wire back down into the boot area to a suitable earthing point.

Smiffy's way is easier but the brake feed wires in the rear light units on my GT are all moulded sheath ends and I wasn't brave enough to cut into them.  Single feed wire also avoids any chance of trouble with the bulb sensor unit.  That said, I'm sure my choice of wiring route would make a good auto-electrician weep...

Gareth
Black 90GT 

>>> "George Layton" <George.Layton at ukgateway.net> 10/03/2005 20:20:49 >>>
If anyone has a set of wiring diagrams handy and knows a bit about the
928's electrical systems I would like to know the following for a 1995
GTS Auto:

What are the colours of the wires which supply current to the LHS and
RHS brake lights ??
What route do these take through the car  ??

I am assuming that there are 2 separate circuits from some point as the
bulb failure warning system has to compare the current in each one - is
this correct ??
If so, at what point is this split ??
What is the current variance that will trigger the warning system ??

I understand that there are 2 micro switches mounted on or behind the
brake pedal - are these both for the brake lights or is one (or both)
for something else ??

As you may have guessed, I have finally bought a third brake light and
need to wire it up.

I have measured the current for the new light at 210mA, so it is 2.52W.
The standard brake light bulbs are 21W, so if I connect the new light to
one side this will create a 12% difference between the two circuits.
I'm not sure if this will trigger the warning system. If it does I shall
have to connect a 2.5W load to the other side :^(

JJ has had one of these lights installed in his GTS and all is well, but
his installers may have done something cunning :^)

Thanks,

George.

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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Fri Mar 11 14:28:01 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:28:01 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B6@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Interesting point Stuart. Looks like (see extract below) they don't cycle the shutdown cyls on these 'economy' V8s (also on some V6s too - GM, Honda). But they do hydraulically disengage the valve/camshaft linkage to the shutdown cyls. There's also mention of 'flexible couplings'?

Scott '91 GT

>>
Power-train engineers at DaimlerChrysler and General Motors have perfected an affordable way to smoothly morph V-8 gas guzzlers into V-4 fuel misers and back again as required. Laying off the accelerator pedal shuts down unneeded engine cylinders, which allows the remaining ones to operate at higher thermal and mechanical efficiencies. The result is 6 to 20 percent better fuel economy, depending on how the vehicles are driven.

Automakers have tried this solution in the past. Unfortunately, the first mass-production attempt--the ill-fated 1981 Cadillac V-8-6-4 engine--suffered from rough transitions between full and partial engine loads. Subsequent systems were more nimble but costly, limiting them to luxury cars such as recent Mercedes-Benz S-Class models. Since then, the necessary electronic throttles and computers have gotten much cheaper. 
The two car makers' current schemes are similar. In GM's case, the system engages when a computer determines that an eight-cylinder engine can satisfy a driver's torque demands with only four, explains GM engineer Allen Rayl. It then deactivates every other cylinder in the firing order by disabling their engine valves, which control the intake and exhaust cycles. This job is accomplished by applying hydraulic oil pressure to collapse special telescoping lifters--usually rigid components that operate the engine valves by transferring motion from the rotating camshaft. Decouple the camshaft from the valves, and combustion halts. Thus, when running at low torque, the engine does not need to pull against as high a vacuum to bring in fresh fuel and air and to eject the exhaust products. Hence, the engine does not have to work as hard. 
 
In road tests, vehicles demonstrated mostly imperceptible transitions from eight cylinders to four and back again, thanks to electronic throttles that act to produce the same torque whether all or half the cylinders are firing. Meanwhile passive countermeasures--"hydraulic" engine mounts, enlarged mufflers, flexible couplings--successfully mask the noises and vibrations created when the engine runs at different speeds. 
Despite its current connection with big gas hogs, "cylinder deactivation really gives you the best fuel-savings bang for the buck," claims Alan Falkowski, Chrysler's development team leader. That is, of course, short of building smaller, lightweight vehicles that many American motorists disdain. Almost all other fuel-conserving technologies--advanced variable valve-timing systems, diesels, direct-injection gasoline engines and the current customer favorites, electric hybrids--bring with them greater mechanical complexity or higher costs, or both. 

Notably, the number of engines incorporating the new cylinder-shutdown technology will top that of hybrid electric vehicles (such as the Toyota Prius) within a year or two. And by sheer numbers alone, the total gallons of gasoline conserved by the new power plants will soon thereafter overtake the amount ever saved by hybrids alone. Further, the trend extends to V-6 engines: Honda has installed the technology in six-cylinder 2005 Odyssey minivans and hybrid Accord sedans, and GM will do the same for some of its 2006 standard models. According to Rayl, GM expects to ship around two million cylinder-shutdown systems annually by 2008.
<<
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Lawrence [mailto:stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk]

Makes you wonder how the new breed of American V8's (I think some European
cars may do this as well) manage when they deliberately shut down four
cylinders in order to save fuel when cruising. Perhaps they cycle the 4 that
are firing (i.e. not the same 4 cylinders shut down all the time) in order
to produce a balanced output.

Stuart Lawrence
1985 S2

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Walker, Scott

No Mike - its not that bad! I know when one of my king leads shorted that
its more like someone putting a brick under your gas pedal (low power) + a
different engine note. It doesn't shake your fillings out. Remember that its
not all 4 cyls on one bank that get taken out - it still runs on 2 cyls per
V-bank.

With your T reg you could simulate it by taking alternate HT leads off your
8-way dizzy until you were left with 4 :-)

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
Sent: 10 March 2005 16:58

Can I have a pennies worth here? If the engine is balanced on eight
cylinders ,then,as it is a V configuration, then I cannot see it being
anything but unbalanced when on four cylinders! I suggest that the damage is
done as the motor fires unevenly on the four cylinders, and the whole engine
will rock to-and-fro and at a frequency and severity that might fatigue the
torque tube quite rapidly......Or is that too bloody obvious? Mike ( T reg)
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Fri Mar 11 14:33:24 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:33:24 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser  problems
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B7@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Hi Chris,
 
Is the immobiliser supplied by the same people that supplied the alarm systems of the period? I assumed this, but have never checked. The alarm was supplied (& is still supported) by Hamilton & Palmer (  <http://www.hamilton-palmer.co.uk> www.hamilton-palmer.co.uk).
 
Worth a call to them?
 
Regards,
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Chris Clark
Sent: 10 March 2005 23:53
To: 928 List
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser problems


A friend has a 928 S4 that was fitted with a Porsche-approved immobiliser by the supplying dealer when new in the late 80's.  The system has developed an intermittent fault so that sometimes the car will not start  -  turning the key does not power the ignition or the starter motor.
Can anyone familiar with these systems offer advice, or is there a specialist in the West Midlands or North West of England?
Thanks,
Chris Clark

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From corinnepage at btopenworld.com  Fri Mar 11 15:25:37 2005
From: corinnepage at btopenworld.com (Corinne Page)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:25:37 -0000
Subject: Fw: [928uk] Immobiliser  problems
Message-ID: <000d01c5264e$942b56e0$69077ad5@corinnehome>

Hi Chris

Just had my PA1000 alarm/immobilisor serviced by Hamilton & Palmer, who fitted it originally - working perfectly, so even though the guy spent an hour on it, they didn't even bother to charge me!  How's that for service?  Unfortunately they are based near Sevenoaks, but for peace of mind it may be worth going to them.

Corinne
91 GT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Walker, Scott 
To: Chris Clark 
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Immobiliser problems


Hi Chris,
 
Is the immobiliser supplied by the same people that supplied the alarm systems of the period? I assumed this, but have never checked. The alarm was supplied (& is still supported) by Hamilton & Palmer (  <http://www.hamilton-palmer.co.uk> www.hamilton-palmer.co.uk).
 
Worth a call to them?
 
Regards,
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Chris Clark
Sent: 10 March 2005 23:53
To: 928 List
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser problems


A friend has a 928 S4 that was fitted with a Porsche-approved immobiliser by the supplying dealer when new in the late 80's.  The system has developed an intermittent fault so that sometimes the car will not start  -  turning the key does not power the ignition or the starter motor.
Can anyone familiar with these systems offer advice, or is there a specialist in the West Midlands or North West of England?
Thanks,
Chris Clark
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From corinnepage at btopenworld.com  Fri Mar 11 15:31:55 2005
From: corinnepage at btopenworld.com (Corinne Page)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:31:55 -0000
Subject: Fw: [928uk] Immobiliser  problems
Message-ID: <001e01c5264f$750411c0$eb6a8351@corinnehome>

ps  just remembered, they also have a mobile service - talk to Pritesh...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Corinne Page 
To: 928uk 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Fw: [928uk] Immobiliser problems


Hi Chris

Just had my PA1000 alarm/immobilisor serviced by Hamilton & Palmer, who fitted it originally - working perfectly, so even though the guy spent an hour on it, they didn't even bother to charge me!  How's that for service?  Unfortunately they are based near Sevenoaks, but for peace of mind it may be worth going to them.

Corinne
91 GT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Walker, Scott 
To: Chris Clark 
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Immobiliser problems


Hi Chris,
 
Is the immobiliser supplied by the same people that supplied the alarm systems of the period? I assumed this, but have never checked. The alarm was supplied (& is still supported) by Hamilton & Palmer (  <http://www.hamilton-palmer.co.uk> www.hamilton-palmer.co.uk).
 
Worth a call to them?
 
Regards,
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Chris Clark
Sent: 10 March 2005 23:53
To: 928 List
Subject: [928uk] Immobiliser problems


A friend has a 928 S4 that was fitted with a Porsche-approved immobiliser by the supplying dealer when new in the late 80's.  The system has developed an intermittent fault so that sometimes the car will not start  -  turning the key does not power the ignition or the starter motor.
Can anyone familiar with these systems offer advice, or is there a specialist in the West Midlands or North West of England?
Thanks,
Chris Clark 


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From justincr00k at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 18:04:20 2005
From: justincr00k at gmail.com (Justin Crook)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:04:20 +0000
Subject: [928uk] ProTyre Wheel Alignment
Message-ID: <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d@mail.gmail.com>

Finally managed to take the car up tp ProTyre in Gloucester today.

Its a very nice place and the staff are all very friendly, and they
all seemed to know Paul Anderson and the 928 in particular. The guy
who worked on mine said this was the second so far this week for him.

The initial setup on the software package was a bit of a problem as it
only seems to have the settings for 86 and onwards so thats what we
decided to use for my 81s. After checking the allignments before
carrying out the work, it showed that my cars tracking and cambers
were all way off in one way or another, which would explain the poor
handling I have been experiencing.

All seemed to be going well until the mechanic was a little worried
about the rear camber angle adjusters. He said that they didn't seem
to have anything to work/move against (apparently you'd normally have
a small block to the side of the nut/adjuster that is used to pivot
against when you turn it, I take it this then sets the angle?) He
tried it anyway and it was adjusting the angle just fine. The
passenger side adjuster however, did not make a difference whatsoever
and we had to leave it as it was, but I was informed that as the angle
was negative (facing inwards) and not positive(facing outwards), it
was OK, not ideal but still a lot better than it was.

It all took about 30/40 minutes and cost just under ?70. The mechanic
did advise popping it back in a few weeks after allowing it to settle
for a checkup.

The drive home from Gloucster along the A48, was great, the car's
handling has been transformed, much more settled around bends and
confidence inspiring. It was definitley money well spent and I'd
recommend ProTyre if your car's in need of an alignment. It took just
30 minutes to get there from South Wales and is very easy to locate.
You do not need to book your car in before hand either, just turn up
on the day at a reasonable time.
-- 
Justin
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.


From kal at funkychimp.com  Fri Mar 11 18:25:33 2005
From: kal at funkychimp.com (kal)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:25:33 -0000
Subject: [928uk] upgrade
In-Reply-To: <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c52667$ba204090$0a08a8c0@Server>

guys, how many of you GTS owners have upgraded from an S4

I've had my S4 for a couple of years now and paid the loan on it so i was
thinking i might just top it back up, sell the S4 and get a GTS or is there
really no point, it's been an absolutely trouble free 2 yrs and i doubt it's
dropped much in value since i bought it which is more than i can say for my
Pajero which has prolly halved in value in the same time. So i'd be glad to
hear from anybody who's also gone from an S4 to a GTS and what reasons you
had

cheers

kal




From kal at funkychimp.com  Fri Mar 11 18:27:51 2005
From: kal at funkychimp.com (kal)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:27:51 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Leak
In-Reply-To: <1ea.37f2b73e.2f5b5ced@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c52668$0a148b60$0a08a8c0@Server>

had mine done at Strasse, it was only about ?120 all in, that's if it's the
same hose, mine was the big fat one that goes to the pump from the reservoir

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Beocentre at aol.com
Sent: 05 March 2005 19:05
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Leak


Guys,

Thanks for the replies about my 'pink' liquid query. Turns out to be power
steering fluid - I have a small split in a hose.... another fairly costly
repair!

Thanks again

Rob 

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From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 18:34:50 2005
From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:34:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] ProTyre Wheel Alignment
References: <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601c52669$02c56680$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>

Justin

Glad the alignment has sorted out your handling problems.
As far as I know its only Protyre in Gloucester who have a good knowledge of 
928's. I have heard bad stories about Protyre in Bristol with 928 
alignments.
It's definately worth travelling to get it done by someone who knows what 
they're doing.

Cheers

Paul 86S2
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Crook" <justincr00k at gmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: [928uk] ProTyre Wheel Alignment


Finally managed to take the car up tp ProTyre in Gloucester today.

Its a very nice place and the staff are all very friendly, and they
all seemed to know Paul Anderson and the 928 in particular. The guy
who worked on mine said this was the second so far this week for him.

The initial setup on the software package was a bit of a problem as it
only seems to have the settings for 86 and onwards so thats what we
decided to use for my 81s. After checking the allignments before
carrying out the work, it showed that my cars tracking and cambers
were all way off in one way or another, which would explain the poor
handling I have been experiencing.

All seemed to be going well until the mechanic was a little worried
about the rear camber angle adjusters. He said that they didn't seem
to have anything to work/move against (apparently you'd normally have
a small block to the side of the nut/adjuster that is used to pivot
against when you turn it, I take it this then sets the angle?) He
tried it anyway and it was adjusting the angle just fine. The
passenger side adjuster however, did not make a difference whatsoever
and we had to leave it as it was, but I was informed that as the angle
was negative (facing inwards) and not positive(facing outwards), it
was OK, not ideal but still a lot better than it was.

It all took about 30/40 minutes and cost just under ?70. The mechanic
did advise popping it back in a few weeks after allowing it to settle
for a checkup.

The drive home from Gloucster along the A48, was great, the car's
handling has been transformed, much more settled around bends and
confidence inspiring. It was definitley money well spent and I'd
recommend ProTyre if your car's in need of an alignment. It took just
30 minutes to get there from South Wales and is very easy to locate.
You do not need to book your car in before hand either, just turn up
on the day at a reasonable time.
-- 
Justin
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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From marton at befree.ch  Fri Mar 11 18:54:56 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:54:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Leak
References: <000a01c52668$0a148b60$0a08a8c0@Server>
Message-ID: <002d01c5266b$d1709660$0500000a@simone>

MessageThey say that if you take off the old hose and take it to a place that repairs hydraulic hoses then you can get a reasonably priced repair.

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kal 
  To: Beocentre at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:27 PM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] Leak


  had mine done at Strasse, it was only about ?120 all in, that's if it's the same hose, mine was the big fat one that goes to the pump from the reservoir
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Beocentre at aol.com
    Sent: 05 March 2005 19:05
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: [928uk] Leak


    Guys,

    Thanks for the replies about my 'pink' liquid query. Turns out to be power steering fluid - I have a small split in a hose.... another fairly costly repair!

    Thanks again

    Rob 


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From kal at funkychimp.com  Fri Mar 11 19:05:30 2005
From: kal at funkychimp.com (kal)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:05:30 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Leak
In-Reply-To: <002d01c5266b$d1709660$0500000a@simone>
Message-ID: <001c01c5266d$4bd750a0$0a08a8c0@Server>

i seem to remember them also saying that sometimes if the damage is right at
the coupling you can just cut off the end and re-attach the hose without any
stretch and they offered to do that in my case. I believed however that if
it was split anyway then the whole hose must getting on and it would only be
a matter of a short time before it went again so i asked them to replace it
and be done with it for peace of mind. i'm sure the pipe was sommat like ?60
if i remember rightly

-----Original Message-----
From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] 
Sent: 11 March 2005 18:55
To: kal; Beocentre at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Leak


They say that if you take off the old hose and take it to a place that
repairs hydraulic hoses then you can get a reasonably priced repair.
 
Marton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: kal <mailto:kal at funkychimp.com>  
To: Beocentre at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Leak

had mine done at Strasse, it was only about ?120 all in, that's if it's the
same hose, mine was the big fat one that goes to the pump from the reservoir

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Beocentre at aol.com
Sent: 05 March 2005 19:05
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Leak


Guys,

Thanks for the replies about my 'pink' liquid query. Turns out to be power
steering fluid - I have a small split in a hose.... another fairly costly
repair!

Thanks again

Rob 



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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 06:38:08 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:38:08 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: Ticket Offer Dover - Boulogne
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References: <423203c8.057b5bfb.5a92.ffffdf07SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98697a43050311223860f03e61@mail.gmail.com>

It used to be prohibitively expensive for me to make lengthy trips to
the continent by car, but now a period return can cost as list ?30
with Speedferries, that's less than some of the overnight deals
offered by the other operators. I've now booked three trips in the
next few months.

If you've been waiting for an excuse to take the car abroad, then this is it!

Paul
87 S4 Manual


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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:20:03 +0000
Subject: Ticket Offer Dover - Boulogne
To: UKKID35 at gmail.com




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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Sat Mar 12 10:11:01 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:11:01 +0000
Subject: [928uk] ProTyre Wheel Alignment
In-Reply-To: <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BLst8h1AsMCFwUF@ritech-systems.com>

Mine was the other car this week. He couldn't get the rear nearside 
camber correct either, so set them both the same. I had to break off and 
go to Pauls for another adjuster bolt, and the car was plain awful going 
over and back.
After the protyre guy had finished (a good 1 1/2 hrs in all) the car is 
transformed. I was also impressed with a couple of front contisports for 
?67 each (balancing on top).
Good place, highly recommended
Richard

In message <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d at mail.gmail.com>, Justin Crook 
<justincr00k at gmail.com> writes
>Finally managed to take the car up tp ProTyre in Gloucester today.
>
>Its a very nice place and the staff are all very friendly, and they
>all seemed to know Paul Anderson and the 928 in particular. The guy
>who worked on mine said this was the second so far this week for him.
>
>The initial setup on the software package was a bit of a problem as it
>only seems to have the settings for 86 and onwards so thats what we
>decided to use for my 81s. After checking the allignments before
>carrying out the work, it showed that my cars tracking and cambers
>were all way off in one way or another, which would explain the poor
>handling I have been experiencing.
>
>All seemed to be going well until the mechanic was a little worried
>about the rear camber angle adjusters. He said that they didn't seem
>to have anything to work/move against (apparently you'd normally have
>a small block to the side of the nut/adjuster that is used to pivot
>against when you turn it, I take it this then sets the angle?) He
>tried it anyway and it was adjusting the angle just fine. The
>passenger side adjuster however, did not make a difference whatsoever
>and we had to leave it as it was, but I was informed that as the angle
>was negative (facing inwards) and not positive(facing outwards), it
>was OK, not ideal but still a lot better than it was.
>
>It all took about 30/40 minutes and cost just under ?70. The mechanic
>did advise popping it back in a few weeks after allowing it to settle
>for a checkup.
>
>The drive home from Gloucster along the A48, was great, the car's
>handling has been transformed, much more settled around bends and
>confidence inspiring. It was definitley money well spent and I'd
>recommend ProTyre if your car's in need of an alignment. It took just
>30 minutes to get there from South Wales and is very easy to locate.
>You do not need to book your car in before hand either, just turn up
>on the day at a reasonable time.

-



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Sat Mar 12 10:11:01 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:11:01 +0000
Subject: [928uk] ProTyre Wheel Alignment
In-Reply-To: <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BLst8h1AsMCFwUF@ritech-systems.com>

Mine was the other car this week. He couldn't get the rear nearside 
camber correct either, so set them both the same. I had to break off and 
go to Pauls for another adjuster bolt, and the car was plain awful going 
over and back.
After the protyre guy had finished (a good 1 1/2 hrs in all) the car is 
transformed. I was also impressed with a couple of front contisports for 
?67 each (balancing on top).
Good place, highly recommended
Richard

In message <ff95e35c05031110042ff59c9d at mail.gmail.com>, Justin Crook 
<justincr00k at gmail.com> writes
>Finally managed to take the car up tp ProTyre in Gloucester today.
>
>Its a very nice place and the staff are all very friendly, and they
>all seemed to know Paul Anderson and the 928 in particular. The guy
>who worked on mine said this was the second so far this week for him.
>
>The initial setup on the software package was a bit of a problem as it
>only seems to have the settings for 86 and onwards so thats what we
>decided to use for my 81s. After checking the allignments before
>carrying out the work, it showed that my cars tracking and cambers
>were all way off in one way or another, which would explain the poor
>handling I have been experiencing.
>
>All seemed to be going well until the mechanic was a little worried
>about the rear camber angle adjusters. He said that they didn't seem
>to have anything to work/move against (apparently you'd normally have
>a small block to the side of the nut/adjuster that is used to pivot
>against when you turn it, I take it this then sets the angle?) He
>tried it anyway and it was adjusting the angle just fine. The
>passenger side adjuster however, did not make a difference whatsoever
>and we had to leave it as it was, but I was informed that as the angle
>was negative (facing inwards) and not positive(facing outwards), it
>was OK, not ideal but still a lot better than it was.
>
>It all took about 30/40 minutes and cost just under ?70. The mechanic
>did advise popping it back in a few weeks after allowing it to settle
>for a checkup.
>
>The drive home from Gloucster along the A48, was great, the car's
>handling has been transformed, much more settled around bends and
>confidence inspiring. It was definitley money well spent and I'd
>recommend ProTyre if your car's in need of an alignment. It took just
>30 minutes to get there from South Wales and is very easy to locate.
>You do not need to book your car in before hand either, just turn up
>on the day at a reasonable time.

-



From jerrydw at club.worldonline.be  Sat Mar 12 11:34:47 2005
From: jerrydw at club.worldonline.be (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:34:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] KNOCKHILL
Message-ID: <001301c526f7$7ff4e2a0$4ce1eb3e@Drivejay>

Hi all,

i regularly travel to Scotland with the zeebrugge-rosyth ferry. Earlier this week i noticed a sign for the knockhill racing track. Dos enyone know or used this before?
It would interest me to know if you can use it on certain days.

By the way, does anyone on the list live in Scotland?

Thanks for any info.

Cheers,
Jerry
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From tassos at book2eat.com  Sat Mar 12 12:12:36 2005
From: tassos at book2eat.com (Tassos Stassinopoulos)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:12:36 -0000
Subject: [928uk] upgrade
References: <000901c52667$ba204090$0a08a8c0@Server>
Message-ID: <008501c526fc$c7341320$0b00a8c0@tassos2>

I had an S4 (89 spec) 10 years ago and now I bought a GTS after 10 years of 
dreaming about this car. I was going to go for an S4 again but realised a) 
that it would have been a very old car and b) GTS's have depreciated quite 
nicely (still much less than my S4 had, sold that one for 13.5K at the time 
while 6.5 years old...).

Anyway from what I remember of the S4, the GTS is smoother, I think it looks 
a bit nicer but it is essentially the same car with the same looks.

My recommendation would be to keep the S4 especcially if it is the digital 
dash one as it will make even less of a difference upgrading.to a GTS.

Hope this helps from a not-so knowledgeable guy.

Tassos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kal" <kal at funkychimp.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: [928uk] upgrade


> guys, how many of you GTS owners have upgraded from an S4
>
> I've had my S4 for a couple of years now and paid the loan on it so i was
> thinking i might just top it back up, sell the S4 and get a GTS or is 
> there
> really no point, it's been an absolutely trouble free 2 yrs and i doubt 
> it's
> dropped much in value since i bought it which is more than i can say for 
> my
> Pajero which has prolly halved in value in the same time. So i'd be glad 
> to
> hear from anybody who's also gone from an S4 to a GTS and what reasons you
> had
>
> cheers
>
> kal
>
>
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From chrisclark at madasafish.com  Sat Mar 12 19:21:18 2005
From: chrisclark at madasafish.com (Chris Clark)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:21:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] KNOCKHILL
References: <001301c526f7$7ff4e2a0$4ce1eb3e@Drivejay>
Message-ID: <00a501c5273c$940e18c0$2d36bd50@oemcomputer>

Hi Jerry,
I've never been to Knockhill myself, but I believe that they do some cheap track sessions where you just turn up.  If you are interested, I can check.
Regards,
Chris
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry De Weerdt 
  To: 928 Forum 
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:34 AM
  Subject: [928uk] KNOCKHILL


  Hi all,

  i regularly travel to Scotland with the zeebrugge-rosyth ferry. Earlier this week i noticed a sign for the knockhill racing track. Dos enyone know or used this before?
  It would interest me to know if you can use it on certain days.

  By the way, does anyone on the list live in Scotland?

  Thanks for any info.

  Cheers,
  Jerry


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From jj at folly.screaming.net  Sat Mar 12 22:51:10 2005
From: jj at folly.screaming.net (JJ)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:51:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <006801c5267c$9071bb60$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200503122251.j2CMp5c17422@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi George 

That would be great. Look forward to seeing you soon.

JJ ??? 
1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto (01727 824444/07005 373146)


-----Original Message-----
From: George Layton [mailto:George.Layton at ukgateway.net] 
Sent: 11 March 2005 20:52
To: JJ
Subject: Re: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT
(coil) Leads

<I'm not too impressed at the moment>
 
Wow, that's unusual !!
 
The standard GTS rear box makes the car very quiet indeed - much
quieter than the earlier models.
 
When I had my RMB fitted it made quite a difference.  My car is
nowhere near as loud as some 928's but it was a big change from
original.
 
Perhaps your GTS already had a modified exhaust ??
 
If I get my car cleaned soon (it's disgraceful at the moment)
I'll drive over and you can compare sounds  - yeah I know, we are
entering anorak territory here :^)
 
George.
 

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: JJ <mailto:jj at folly.screaming.net>  
	To: 'George Layton' <mailto:George.Layton at ukgateway.net>

	Sent: 11 March 2005 15:54
	Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode
was HT (coil) Leads

	Sounds like your RMB is more effective than mine George -
as I'm
	not too impressed at the moment - I'm even considering
taking it
	off!
	
	Best
	
	JJ ??? 
	1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto
	
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
[mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
	On Behalf Of George Layton
	Sent: 09 March 2005 14:18
	To: 928UK
	Subject: Re: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode
was HT
	(coil) Leads
	
	Hi JJ
	
	I had an RMB fitted to my GTS in August 2000 and 25,600
miles
	later I have had no problems at all.
	
	There is one down-side:  With the release of that
wonderful V8
	noise you will find yourself wanting to drive with the
window
	open all the time.
	This can result in colds and muscle aches in winter.
Check your
	heater is fully functional  :^)
	
	George.
	
	  ----- Original Message -----
	  From: JJ
	  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
	  Sent: 08 March 2005 21:25
	  Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode
was HT
	(coil) Leads
	
	

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From georgegita at fugue21.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Mar 12 22:07:00 2005
From: georgegita at fugue21.fsnet.co.uk (George Weitz)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:07:00 -0000
Subject: [928uk] new 928?
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A86A@ukex04.uk.nds.com><002e01c52006$7f0dca70$24b29951@weasel><004f01c52007$3be39e40$24b29951@weasel><00ff01c52013$aec460a0$0500000a@simone>
	<000801c5201f$1dbb0d00$bf83c8ac@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <000001c52757$9a0da270$524c893e@pcb12631bdaf50>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Speake" <info at jdsporsche.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] new 928?


>
>
>> concept model called Panamera
>>
>>>>>>>>>
> What a crap name.......
>
> John
>

Yes I think I'd prefer something nicely understated like, well, 928 S5 or 
something. I hope Porsche acknowledges the 928 with this new concept.

George


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From Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com  Fri Mar 11 16:45:28 2005
From: Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com (Phil Shotton)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:45:28 +0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B6@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sun Mar 13 08:18:02 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:18:02 +1300
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8B6@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
	<4231CB28.30405@irisfinancial.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c527a5$5955ced0$83667cca@computername>

"Pumping losses."
With valves closed, the piston puts energy into the gas as it compresses it, but gets most 
of that energy back when the piston goes back down.
With valves open you are putting energy into pumping air through the inlet manifold, 
valves, cylinder and exhaust.

When Porsche tried it on the 928, the cylinders that weren't running had the throttles 
wide open because that wasted less power than sucking air through closed throttles.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Shotton" <Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads


> Interesting post. But this doesn't seem right to me. I would have thought disabling the 
> valves (i.e. keeping them closed) would increase the load on the engine by repeating the 
> compression/expansion cycles in the other two cycles. The quote also says nothing about 
> disabling the injectors - I assume they don't continue to pump fuel into the shutdown 
> cyclinders?
> The better solution for the valves would be to open inlet/exhaust not only during the 
> inlet/exhaust cycles but during the expansion/compression cycled too - but mechanically 
> that is much harder to manage. However I can't see keeping the valves closed all the 
> time being any better than having them operate normally.
> I'm sure someone will correct me...
>
> Phil
>
> Walker, Scott wrote:
> Interesting point Stuart. Looks like (see extract below) they don't cycle the shutdown 
> cyls on these 'economy' V8s (also on some V6s too - GM, Honda). But they do 
> hydraulically disengage the valve/camshaft linkage to the shutdown cyls. There's also 
> mention of 'flexible couplings'?
>
> Scott '91 GT
>
>  Power-train engineers at DaimlerChrysler and General Motors have perfected an 
> affordable way to smoothly morph V-8 gas guzzlers into V-4 fuel misers and back again as 
> required. Laying off the accelerator pedal shuts down unneeded engine cylinders, which 
> allows the remaining ones to operate at higher thermal and mechanical efficiencies. The 
> result is 6 to 20 percent better fuel economy, depending on how the vehicles are driven.
>
> Automakers have tried this solution in the past. Unfortunately, the first 
> mass-production attempt--the ill-fated 1981 Cadillac V-8-6-4 engine--suffered from rough 
> transitions between full and partial engine loads. Subsequent systems were more nimble 
> but costly, limiting them to luxury cars such as recent Mercedes-Benz S-Class models. 
> Since then, the necessary electronic throttles and computers have gotten much cheaper.
> The two car makers' current schemes are similar. In GM's case, the system engages when a 
> computer determines that an eight-cylinder engine can satisfy a driver's torque demands 
> with only four, explains GM engineer Allen Rayl. It then deactivates every other 
> cylinder in the firing order by disabling their engine valves, which control the intake 
> and exhaust cycles. This job is accomplished by applying hydraulic oil pressure to 
> collapse special telescoping lifters--usually rigid components that operate the engine 
> valves by transferring motion from the rotating camshaft. Decouple the camshaft from the 
> valves, and combustion halts. Thus, when running at low torque, the engine does not need 
> to pull against as high a vacuum to bring in fresh fuel and air and to eject the exhaust 
> products. Hence, the engine does not have to work as hard.
>
> In road tests, vehicles demonstrated mostly imperceptible transitions from eight 
> cylinders to four and back again, thanks to electronic throttles that act to produce the 
> same torque whether all or half the cylinders are firing. Meanwhile passive 
> countermeasures--"hydraulic" engine mounts, enlarged mufflers, flexible 
> couplings--successfully mask the noises and vibrations created when the engine runs at 
> different speeds.
> Despite its current connection with big gas hogs, "cylinder deactivation really gives 
> you the best fuel-savings bang for the buck," claims Alan Falkowski, Chrysler's 
> development team leader. That is, of course, short of building smaller, lightweight 
> vehicles that many American motorists disdain. Almost all other fuel-conserving 
> technologies--advanced variable valve-timing systems, diesels, direct-injection gasoline 
> engines and the current customer favorites, electric hybrids--bring with them greater 
> mechanical complexity or higher costs, or both.
>
> Notably, the number of engines incorporating the new cylinder-shutdown technology will 
> top that of hybrid electric vehicles (such as the Toyota Prius) within a year or two. 
> And by sheer numbers alone, the total gallons of gasoline conserved by the new power 
> plants will soon thereafter overtake the amount ever saved by hybrids alone. Further, 
> the trend extends to V-6 engines: Honda has installed the technology in six-cylinder 
> 2005 Odyssey minivans and hybrid Accord sedans, and GM will do the same for some of its 
> 2006 standard models. According to Rayl, GM expects to ship around two million 
> cylinder-shutdown systems annually by 2008.
> <<
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Lawrence [mailto:stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk]
>
> Makes you wonder how the new breed of American V8's (I think some European
> cars may do this as well) manage when they deliberately shut down four
> cylinders in order to save fuel when cruising. Perhaps they cycle the 4 that
> are firing (i.e. not the same 4 cylinders shut down all the time) in order
> to produce a balanced output.
>
> Stuart Lawrence
> 1985 S2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Walker, Scott
>
> No Mike - its not that bad! I know when one of my king leads shorted that
> its more like someone putting a brick under your gas pedal (low power) + a
> different engine note. It doesn't shake your fillings out. Remember that its
> not all 4 cyls on one bank that get taken out - it still runs on 2 cyls per
> V-bank.
>
> With your T reg you could simulate it by taking alternate HT leads off your
> 8-way dizzy until you were left with 4 :-)
>
> Scott '91 GT
>
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From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 13 11:54:56 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:54:56 +0000
Subject: [928uk] KNOCKHILL
In-Reply-To: <00a501c5273c$940e18c0$2d36bd50@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F140900721DDE47780D94D8FA550@phx.gbl>

Its not a bad track the BTCC used to race there has an uphill part.


Stuart

>From: "Chris Clark" <chrisclark at madasafish.com>
>To: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>,   "928 List" 
><928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] KNOCKHILL
>Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:21:18 -0000
>
>Hi Jerry,
>I've never been to Knockhill myself, but I believe that they do some cheap 
>track sessions where you just turn up.  If you are interested, I can check.
>Regards,
>Chris
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jerry De Weerdt
>   To: 928 Forum
>   Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:34 AM
>   Subject: [928uk] KNOCKHILL
>
>
>   Hi all,
>
>   i regularly travel to Scotland with the zeebrugge-rosyth ferry. Earlier 
>this week i noticed a sign for the knockhill racing track. Dos enyone know 
>or used this before?
>   It would interest me to know if you can use it on certain days.
>
>   By the way, does anyone on the list live in Scotland?
>
>   Thanks for any info.
>
>   Cheers,
>   Jerry
>
>
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From owen928_4 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 13 18:14:57 2005
From: owen928_4 at hotmail.com (OWEN GUPPY)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:14:57 +0000
Subject: [928uk] My S4 on Ebay!
Message-ID: <BAY101-F116F1B5570B8DC76A6033C84550@phx.gbl>

Free listing for cars today, so I thought I'd give it a crack. ?3 to add a 
reserve price and 36p for the extra pics. Still a lot more reasonable that 
the ?160 I gave the E&M!!!

Item no: 4535469837  take a look for me....any suggestions?

Thanks - Owen

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From angusf at mac.com  Sun Mar 13 18:38:00 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:38:00 +0000
Subject: [928uk] My S4 on Ebay!
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F116F1B5570B8DC76A6033C84550@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-F116F1B5570B8DC76A6033C84550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <c97d1a1e4dfde2a3cd433cd17d729ed9@mac.com>

Must put the advert price up on the website then... Its only ?50 and a 
GT just sold last week

Angus
---
On 13 Mar 2005, at 6:14 pm, OWEN GUPPY wrote:

> Free listing for cars today, so I thought I'd give it a crack. ?3 to 
> add a reserve price and 36p for the extra pics. Still a lot more 
> reasonable that the ?160 I gave the E&M!!!
>
> Item no: 4535469837  take a look for me....any suggestions?
>
> Thanks - Owen
>
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From owen928_4 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 13 19:18:31 2005
From: owen928_4 at hotmail.com (OWEN GUPPY)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:18:31 +0000
Subject: [928uk] My S4 on Ebay!
In-Reply-To: <c97d1a1e4dfde2a3cd433cd17d729ed9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F310A6819F6ABF8B139EB5D84550@phx.gbl>

Mine will be on the website very soon too Angus, well provided this ebay 
thing doesen't actually work!

Must put the advert price up on the website then... Its only ?50 and
a GT just sold last week
>
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From IJPW at compuserve.com  Sun Mar 13 19:39:41 2005
From: IJPW at compuserve.com (ian)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:39:41 -0500
Subject: [928uk] need rear springs
Message-ID: <200503131439_MC3-1-9847-3CE0@compuserve.com>

can anybody tell me where to get rear springs, other than opc, and what
prices,thanks
Ian 928S 83.


From corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 20:51:35 2005
From: corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk (Helen&Nick Edmunds)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:51:35 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
Message-ID: <002901c5280e$77db96a0$3063883e@your41dfy42m1v>

Hi all,i would like some advice from you guys please,I,ve got a 95 gts that i drive as a third car [once or twice a week],had it for some time with no problems at all.i got in it today turned the key all the ignition lights came on gave it the extra turn to start it and nothing,I can hear a click coming from the fusebox and the usual noises [fule pump ect]but no starter motor.Is this a common problem eg relay or so fuse some place or do you think it might be the imobiliser or the wiring to the motor itself.Your help would be most appeciated as i,m stuffed [can,t get it out of the garage].Nick.
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Sun Mar 13 21:40:11 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:40:11 +0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
In-Reply-To: <002901c5280e$77db96a0$3063883e@your41dfy42m1v>
References: <002901c5280e$77db96a0$3063883e@your41dfy42m1v>
Message-ID: <1110750011.13859.218222676@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Nick, on my 83S and also the 82S if the battery is low i get a click
and nothing more, a few hours on charge and she normally fires up ok, a
possibility maybe, no experience otherwise with newer 928's.

atb,
Joe


----- Original message -----
From: "Helen&Nick Edmunds" <corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:51:35 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
Hi all,i would like some advice from you guys please,I,ve got a 95 gts
that i drive as a third car [once or twice a week],had it for some time
with no problems at all.i got in it today turned the key all the
ignition lights came on gave it the extra turn to start it and nothing,I
can hear a click coming from the fusebox and the usual noises [fule pump
ect]but no starter motor.Is this a common problem eg relay or so fuse
some place or do you think it might be the imobiliser or the wiring to
the motor itself.Your help would be most appeciated as i,m stuffed
[can,t get it out of the garage].Nick.

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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Sun Mar 13 21:42:52 2005
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:42:52 +0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
Message-ID: <20050313214254.REBR1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>

Nick, it could be the starter solenoid sticking.  Make sure the battery is fully charged.  If its a manual car, you can move the starter gear slightly by rocking the car in gear - this normally works (make sure you take it back out of gear before starting of course).  

If its an auto the old trick of a light tap to the starter can help get it going. (its at the rear of the engine underneath the car).

Failing that a faulty immobiliser can sometimes be to blame

Regards

> From: "Helen&Nick Edmunds" <corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2005/03/13 Sun PM 08:51:35 GMT
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
> 
> Hi all,i would like some advice from you guys please,I,ve got a 95 gts that i drive as a third car [once or twice a week],had it for some time with no problems at all.i got in it today turned the key all the ignition lights came on gave it the extra turn to start it and nothing,I can hear a click coming from the fusebox and the usual noises [fule pump ect]but no starter motor.Is this a common problem eg relay or so fuse some place or do you think it might be the imobiliser or the wiring to the motor itself.Your help would be most appeciated as i,m stuffed [can,t get it out of the garage].Nick.
> 



From chris at porsche-1.net  Sun Mar 13 22:48:21 2005
From: chris at porsche-1.net (Chris Kenward)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:48:21 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Idling High
Message-ID: <20050313224821.212D927EC27@mail.porsche-1.net>



Hi Folks

Noticed over the last little while that my GTS is idling differently to what I remember. When I start her cold, she starts immediately, and idles at near 1500 rpm for a few seconds, then slows down to around 1000. When she's warm and been driven for a while, the idle goes up to around 1100 and that's sorta where she stays - between 1000 and 1100.

I know this is high, but not sure whether it's to do with the MAF or just in need of a tweak on the idle screw on the accelerator cable.

Any thoughts?

Regards

Chris
'92 GTS Manual
'04 550 Boxster


From info at jdsporsche.com  Sun Mar 13 23:36:50 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:36:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Idling High
References: <20050313224821.212D927EC27@mail.porsche-1.net>
Message-ID: <002101c52825$d1208ec0$930fcbac@aoldsl.net>

>
> Noticed over the last little while that my GTS is idling differently to
what I remember. When I start her cold, she starts immediately, and idles at
near 1500 rpm for a few seconds, then slows down to around 1000. When she's
warm and been driven for a while, the idle goes up to around 1100 and that's
sorta where she stays - between 1000 and 1100.
>
> I know this is high, but not sure whether it's to do with the MAF or just
in need of a tweak on the idle screw on the accelerator cable.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
> '92 GTS Manual
> '04 550 Boxster
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Chris,
The idle speed on your GTS is set electronically, there is no mechanical
adjustment possible. The idle speed should always be stabilised to 675rpm
under all conditions.

The problem could be the MAF, or an airleak into the inlet system. How many
miles on the car ?

Regards

John



From Dk928 at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 00:06:05 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:06:05 EST
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: Synthetic Oil for 928's
Message-ID: <197.3a90033a.2f662f6d@aol.com>

 
Hi All
Just a bit more on oil for whoever's interested....
I mailed Red Line re. use of their fully synthetic ester based 10W 40  in a 
928 for normal road use...

 
In a message dated 13/03/05 23:09:49 GMT Standard Time,  
info at redlineoil.co.uk writes:
 

Yes,  10w40 is perfect.

In 1991 I suspect Porsche were calling for API SF/SE  rated oil for the 
engine - the API ratings have gone up since then, but  the (now) old SG 
rating still supersedes them both for anti-scuff and film  strength. (The 
more recent SJ and SL ratings are more concerned with long  life oil than 
with oil strength.)

Porsche recommend whatever oil  they are currently using for factory fill, 
which alas does not always suit  older motors, but that of course is 
commercial life as we know  it!

Best wishes,

Gavin
 
Dave

 
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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Mon Mar 14 03:45:47 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:45:47 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
In-Reply-To: <002901c5280e$77db96a0$3063883e@your41dfy42m1v>
Message-ID: <200503140345.j2E3jlqU021974@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Helen&Nick Edmunds wrote:
>
> can,t get it out of the garage

Hi Nick,

There will be many recommendations.  Start with this:

Clean and polish the battery connections.

Also, clean and polish the earth strap connection
which is accessible when you remove the tool kit.


-- 
Phil

If there is no wind, row.
        -- Latin Proverb


From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 09:02:44 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:02:44 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack
Message-ID: <98697a430503140102ac7196a@mail.gmail.com>

What are my options for having the steering rack replaced? It has
developed a leak into one of the gators, and this is a job I'm not
going to attempt myself.

Has anyone used a steering rack specialist? Is there any reason why
they should be avoided with a 928?

Thanks

Paul
87 S4 Manual


From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 09:16:54 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:16:54 EST
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack
Message-ID: <fc.ede0b5d.2f66b086@aol.com>

I got a service exchange from _Berlyn Services_ 
(http://www.berlyn-services.co.uk/aboutus.htm)   or  _Berlyn Services - Independant  Porsche Parts 
Supplier_ (http://www.partsforporsche.co.uk/)  ; seems to work ok. Got it done at my 
local  independent Cheers Tim '92gts
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From Dk928 at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 09:56:05 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:56:05 EST
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
Message-ID: <60.515bfb8a.2f66b9b5@aol.com>

Hi All
There seem to be a few posts on battery problems....just a thought  which 
might help....
I came across something a bit suspect when I was fitting the Carcoon  
permanent leads...
At some point my cars had a replacement battery fitted which is possibly a  
touch taller than the original and it appears that the compartment lid has  
made connection on the positive terminal, and possibly across both  terminals. I 
noticed this because the paint on the underside of the lid,  directly above 
the positive post, was was burnt off. The weight of the spare  wheel resting on 
the lid might also have been a contributary factor.
 I've fixed a thin rubber insulation strip on the underneath of the  lid 
above the battery terminals to stop any connection and  battery drain ( I hope ). 
Come to think of it this battery compartment would be a nasty place to have  
rogue sparks what with acid vapour and fuel vapour round and about.
 
Dave
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From andy at pandar.demon.co.uk  Mon Mar 14 10:06:12 2005
From: andy at pandar.demon.co.uk (Andy Gilmour)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:06:12 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
In-Reply-To: <60.515bfb8a.2f66b9b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004801c5287d$75235500$5711b150@oemcomputer>

Dave

I managed to re-create this scenario when I removed my battery for charging
and didn't put it back properly.

I'm sure you are aware that there is a small "lip" that the bottom edge of
the battery has to slide under. This stops the battery moving around.

I managed not to notice this and tried to force the compartment lid closed!
Result ...short across the terminals and.....bang!!

Anyway, luckily, no harm done and I've learn't my lesson

Andy
92 S4 Auto

  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Dk928 at aol.com
  Sent: 14 March 2005 09:56
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


  Hi All
  There seem to be a few posts on battery problems....just a thought which
might help....
  I came across something a bit suspect when I was fitting the Carcoon
permanent leads...
  At some point my cars had a replacement battery fitted which is possibly a
touch taller than the original and it appears that the compartment lid has
made connection on the positive terminal, and possibly across both
terminals. I noticed this because the paint on the underside of the lid,
directly above the positive post, was was burnt off. The weight of the spare
wheel resting on the lid might also have been a contributary factor.
   I've fixed a thin rubber insulation strip on the underneath of the lid
above the battery terminals to stop any connection and battery drain ( I
hope ).
  Come to think of it this battery compartment would be a nasty place to
have rogue sparks what with acid vapour and fuel vapour round and about.

  Dave
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From Dk928 at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 10:31:46 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:31:46 EST
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
Message-ID: <12f.58ec147e.2f66c212@aol.com>

I'm sure thats possibly Andy... but my battery was seated  correctly and 
fixed firmly.... it was just a touch too tall.
Maybe worst scenario wouldn't ever happen...cruising along ...over a pot  
hole... lid just compresses down a cats whisker, connects, sparks and ... then  
bang !!  You'd have to be pretty unkucky tho but you never know.
 
Dave
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar 14 11:32:14 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:32:14 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8BF@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

"When Porsche tried it on the 928..." - Smiffy, do you mean its documented somewhere? Are we talking "Project 928" book or just "insider knowledge"?

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith

"Pumping losses."
With valves closed, the piston puts energy into the gas as it compresses it, but gets most 
of that energy back when the piston goes back down.
With valves open you are putting energy into pumping air through the inlet manifold, 
valves, cylinder and exhaust.

When Porsche tried it on the 928, the cylinders that weren't running had the throttles 
wide open because that wasted less power than sucking air through closed throttles.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Shotton" <Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com>

> Interesting post. But this doesn't seem right to me. 
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar 14 11:45:23 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:45:23 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Idling High
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C0@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Hi Chris,

For interest, my GT idles at 800-900rpm mark (according to tacho on dash), but the GT did have an idle spec'ed higher than most other variants. I would have thought your dash tacho should report something in the 600-800rpm range really (once warmed up etc.).

The idle speed is electronically controlled, but can be reset via the diagnostic tester (Bosch Hammer) connected via the diagnostic port (under the panel next to the passenger seat). Maybe this is all it needs? (the system can 'adapt' to drift in things like the MAF, within a certain range) The Hammer will also report any faults that the ECU can see if there really is a problem. So either a quick visit to your Porsche independent to "get the Hammer on" or you could buy the diagnostic tool (Hammer equivalent) that John Speake produces (I guess it can do the idle reset?) if you want your own diagnostic tool for longer term use.

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Chris Kenward

Hi Folks

Noticed over the last little while that my GTS is idling differently to what I remember. When I start her cold, she starts immediately, and idles at near 1500 rpm for a few seconds, then slows down to around 1000. When she's warm and been driven for a while, the idle goes up to around 1100 and that's sorta where she stays - between 1000 and 1100.

I know this is high, but not sure whether it's to do with the MAF or just in need of a tweak on the idle screw on the accelerator cable.

Any thoughts?

Regards

Chris
'92 GTS Manual
'04 550 Boxster

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From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 12:31:42 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:31:42 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Idling High
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C0@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <002701c52891$c76cea60$fc8ed5ac@aoldsl.net>

>
> For interest, my GT idles at 800-900rpm mark (according to tacho on dash),
but the GT did have an idle spec'ed higher than most other variants. I would
have thought your dash tacho should report something in the 600-800rpm range
really (once warmed up etc.).
>>>>>>>>>
Hi Scott,
The idle speed on a GT is 775rpm. The IS system is temperature compensated,
so the idle speed should be correct at all temperatures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> The idle speed is electronically controlled, but can be reset via the
diagnostic tester (Bosch Hammer) connected via the diagnostic port (under
the panel next to the passenger seat). Maybe this is all it needs? (the
system can 'adapt' to drift in things like the MAF, within a certain range)
The Hammer will also report any faults that the ECU can see if there really
is a problem. So either a quick visit to your Porsche independent to "get
the Hammer on" or you could buy the diagnostic tool (Hammer equivalent) that
John Speake produces (I guess it can do the idle reset?) if you want your
own diagnostic tool for longer term use.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
IS adaptation (although often referred to as such) is a misnomer. What is
"adapted" is the fuel map offset, so that the injector pulse width gives the
correct amount of fuel, so the IS valve operates well within its possible
range. The result of this adaptation is that the idle speed is corrected,
but also the car will often run better, because the fuel map is rest to give
the correct fuelling. So in some ways, this gives some adaptation for MAF
ageing.

So S4 and later have a slightly better tolerance of MAF ageing than an S2,
because adaptation is not available for the earlier cars.

With Chris' car, and any 928 with cats, the situation gets more complicated.
In addition to the IS system adaptation, there is also the O2 loops own self
adaptation, to keep the mixture at stoich. Obviously both systems interact
with each other.

Anyway, if the MAF is too far out, then the idle speed can never be right
because Adaptation will fail.. An air leak into the inlet will also defeat
the limits of the IS system. A "system adaptation with a Hammer or a
"Spanner" might help if the MAf is not too badly aged.. It "depends"

John



From daran_clarke at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 14 13:09:55 2005
From: daran_clarke at hotmail.com (Daran Clarke)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:09:55 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Mar 14 13:06:06 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:06:06 +1300
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8BF@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <012801c52897$bff319c0$fd667cca@computername>

>From a book. I can't remember which one though. I think the book had a couple of chapters 
on the 928, but covered the whole Porsche story, and its title was something like that. If 
Project 928 is as good as its title suggests, I'm sure it will be in there too.

Smiffy

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From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads


"When Porsche tried it on the 928..." - Smiffy, do you mean its documented somewhere? Are 
we talking "Project 928" book or just "insider knowledge"?

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith

"Pumping losses."
With valves closed, the piston puts energy into the gas as it compresses it, but gets most
of that energy back when the piston goes back down.
With valves open you are putting energy into pumping air through the inlet manifold,
valves, cylinder and exhaust.

When Porsche tried it on the 928, the cylinders that weren't running had the throttles
wide open because that wasted less power than sucking air through closed throttles.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Shotton" <Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com>

> Interesting post. But this doesn't seem right to me.
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From chris at porsche-1.net  Mon Mar 14 13:16:30 2005
From: chris at porsche-1.net (Chris Kenward)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:16:30 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Idling High
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Hi John

> The problem could be the MAF, or an airleak into the inlet system. How many
> miles on the car ?

The car has done around 56,000 miles or so. How do we discover whether it is the MAF or not, John?

I do know that the oxygen sensor was deleted at some stage in the car's history along with the cats....

Regards

Chris
'92 GTS Manual
'04 550 Boxster



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Mon Mar 14 13:59:05 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:59:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
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References: <BAY101-F26420238B62660E32B954BFA560@phx.gbl>
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Daran
The answer is yes and do it now!
Rule of thumb is either 40k miles or 4 years whichever is the sooner. It 
may be a tensioner problem, but if you have the warning after 36k and 5 
years it is time for a change.
If the belt breaks or slips a tooth you WILL damage a 32 valve engine.

Richard

In message <BAY101-F26420238B62660E32B954BFA560 at phx.gbl>, Daran Clarke 
<daran_clarke at hotmail.com> writes
>
>Hi?Everyone,
>
>A question for anyone who knows all about the service messages (on the
>digital dash models).
>
>Yesterday I had 'Toothhead-Service' displayed on my dashboard along with
>an animated picture of what looks like a large cog and a small cog being
>driven by a belt.
>
>I assume that this means I need to replace my cambelt? Does anyone
>know for sure?
>
>I had my cambelt replaced at around 35k and the car is sitting on 71k right
>now. Within the 60k limit for a change but the belt is over 5 years old.
>
>If it is the belt, does the belt tensioner have a sensor on it so it can 'detect'
>when the belt has degraded past a point?
>
>Kind Regards,
>?
>Daran Clarke
>93 Guards Red 928GT
>?
>?
>Si denuo congeles, confestim ibis in fossam purgamentorum
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Mon Mar 14 13:59:05 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:59:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F26420238B62660E32B954BFA560@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-F26420238B62660E32B954BFA560@phx.gbl>
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Daran
The answer is yes and do it now!
Rule of thumb is either 40k miles or 4 years whichever is the sooner. It 
may be a tensioner problem, but if you have the warning after 36k and 5 
years it is time for a change.
If the belt breaks or slips a tooth you WILL damage a 32 valve engine.

Richard

In message <BAY101-F26420238B62660E32B954BFA560 at phx.gbl>, Daran Clarke 
<daran_clarke at hotmail.com> writes
>
>Hi?Everyone,
>
>A question for anyone who knows all about the service messages (on the
>digital dash models).
>
>Yesterday I had 'Toothhead-Service' displayed on my dashboard along with
>an animated picture of what looks like a large cog and a small cog being
>driven by a belt.
>
>I assume that this means I need to replace my cambelt? Does anyone
>know for sure?
>
>I had my cambelt replaced at around 35k and the car is sitting on 71k right
>now. Within the 60k limit for a change but the belt is over 5 years old.
>
>If it is the belt, does the belt tensioner have a sensor on it so it can 'detect'
>when the belt has degraded past a point?
>
>Kind Regards,
>?
>Daran Clarke
>93 Guards Red 928GT
>?
>?
>Si denuo congeles, confestim ibis in fossam purgamentorum
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From angusf at mac.com  Mon Mar 14 14:19:08 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:19:08 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
In-Reply-To: <DwNxBlwpiZNCFwJz@ritech-systems.com>
References: <BAY101-F26420238B62660E32B954BFA560@phx.gbl>
	<DwNxBlwpiZNCFwJz@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <2734888.1110809948577.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

And... Dont forget to get the water pump replaced at the same time. You will never be nearer and its a potentially costly thing to avoid. See the website for details

Angus

On Monday, March 14, 2005, at 02:11PM, Richard Armstrong <richard at ritech-systems.com> wrote:

>Daran
>The answer is yes and do it now!
>Rule of thumb is either 40k miles or 4 years whichever is the sooner. It 
>may be a tensioner problem, but if you have the warning after 36k and 5 
>years it is time for a change.
>If the belt breaks or slips a tooth you WILL damage a 32 valve engine.



From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar 14 14:26:50 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:26:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C2@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Dave - car batteries have standard form factors which relate to BCI specifications with special codes. The 928 takes either a type 096 or 097. This relates to dimensions of L=278, W=175, H=175/190 (096/097). You wouldn't want to go any higher than 190mm!
The Bosch battery I have came with a plastic terminal cover on the +ve terminal... this is highly recommended for all 928s due to our metal battery box lids, & would prevent the scenario you describe.
 
Scott '91 GT

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To: andy at pandar.demon.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems



I'm sure thats possibly Andy... but my battery was seated correctly and fixed firmly.... it was just a touch too tall.
Maybe worst scenario wouldn't ever happen...cruising along ...over a pot hole... lid just compresses down a cats whisker, connects, sparks and ... then bang !!  You'd have to be pretty unkucky tho but you never know.
 
Dave

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From daran_clarke at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 14 15:35:39 2005
From: daran_clarke at hotmail.com (Daran Clarke)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:35:39 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 16:07:14 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:07:14 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Idling High
References: <20050313224821.212D927EC27@mail.porsche-1.net>
	<002101c52825$d1208ec0$930fcbac@aoldsl.net>
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> Hi John
>
> > The problem could be the MAF, or an airleak into the inlet system. How
many
> > miles on the car ?
>
> The car has done around 56,000 miles or so. How do we discover whether it
is the MAF or not, John?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Chris,
The MAF should be OK at that milage unless the car has done most of its life
doing short journeys (10 miles or less).
It is easy to check the MAF calibration on my test jig. The accuracy
required means that this is just about the only way, but see later....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I do know that the oxygen sensor was deleted at some stage in the car's
history along with the cats....
>>>>>>>>>>>
OK, for a non-cat car, there is a good check of MAF ageing. Measure the
exhaust CO in the usual way with the airpump feed disconnected and blanked
off, as per the Workshop Manual.

Measure the exhaust CO at idle (engine must be a normal operating temp). It
should be possible to adjust the idle mixture pot to get to the standard
value of 1% CO. If the level cannot be adjusted up to this, then the MAF is
badly aged. (This of course assumes that fuel pressure is OK, and that the
injectors are flowing properly, and there are no airleaks).

If the idle is still wonky after confirming the mixture is OK, then there
are sevetral possibilites for the problem.
1) Jammed/sticking ISV.
2) Fault with LH ECU (the drive circuits for the ISV are on the notorious
"tile".

As Scott says, the quickest way to analyse the problem at this stage is with
a Hamer or a Spanner !

Where are you ?

John
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
> '92 GTS Manual
> '04 550 Boxster
>



From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 16:24:21 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:24:21 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8BF@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
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> >From a book. I can't remember which one though. I think the book had a
couple of chapters
> on the 928, but covered the whole Porsche story, and its title was
something like that. If
> Project 928 is as good as its title suggests, I'm sure it will be in there
too.
>
> Smiffy
> >>>>>>>>
It's in the final chapeter of the Jerry Sloniger book "Porsche 924 944 928".
The chapter is called "Porsche and the future". It shows an experimental 928
that Smiffy remembers.

There's too much detail to recount here, but they basically converted the
engine to 2 x V4 engines (engine managemnt wise) by grouping the two as
cylinders 1,7,6,4 and 2,3,5,8. They split out the whole intake system for
each "engine" with seperate plenums and throttle plates. There was a
complicated cam system to make the transition for 4 to 8 cylinder operation
as smooth as possible.

The comment is made that at idle, the 4 cylinder engine was "largely
vibration free". As Smiffy said, unthrottled air was allowed to the unused
cylinders at idle, to reduce pumping losses.

John



From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 16:27:10 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:27:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <BAY101-F9453E4E88D647B01E49D0FA560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005d01c528b2$f56edba0$3bb7caac@aoldsl.net>





  Thanks everybody for such a quick reply, you probably saved me a nightmare. The car is being booked in. Anyone know of a specialist in the Wimbledon/Kingston Area?

  Kind Regards, 

  Daran Clarke 
  93 Guards Red 928 GT
  >>>>>>>>>>
  Hi daran
  Try GT One at Chertsey. They are good. Call Peter Bedford 01932 569911

  John
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar 14 16:32:00 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:32:00 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C5@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Does anyone out there own a copy of the elusive 928 'birth story' book - "Project 928"? (The only copies I've ever seen were mega-bucks.) If so, does it have anything on running in 4-cyl mode in the 'engine development' sections or whatever?

Thanks,
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith

>From a book. I can't remember which one though. I think the book had a couple of chapters 
on the 928, but covered the whole Porsche story, and its title was something like that. If 
Project 928 is as good as its title suggests, I'm sure it will be in there too.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>

"When Porsche tried it on the 928..." - Smiffy, do you mean its documented somewhere? Are 
we talking "Project 928" book or just "insider knowledge"?

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith

"Pumping losses."
With valves closed, the piston puts energy into the gas as it compresses it, but gets most
of that energy back when the piston goes back down.
With valves open you are putting energy into pumping air through the inlet manifold,
valves, cylinder and exhaust.

When Porsche tried it on the 928, the cylinders that weren't running had the throttles
wide open because that wasted less power than sucking air through closed throttles.

Smiffy
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar 14 16:42:48 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:42:48 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C6@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Thanks John - I'll have to see if I can track down that book (hopefully easier to find/cheaper than "Project 928"!). Interesting that each V4 ran smoothly. Kind of suggests that V4 mode shouldn't destroy your TT.

>From Smiffy's email, I was trying to work out how they could open the throttles for the shutdown cyls with only a single plenum & set of throttles - but your description explains that (separate plenums).

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of John Speake

> >From a book. I can't remember which one though. I think the book had a
couple of chapters
> on the 928, but covered the whole Porsche story, and its title was
something like that. If
> Project 928 is as good as its title suggests, I'm sure it will be in there
too.
>
> Smiffy
> >>>>>>>>
It's in the final chapeter of the Jerry Sloniger book "Porsche 924 944 928".
The chapter is called "Porsche and the future". It shows an experimental 928
that Smiffy remembers.

There's too much detail to recount here, but they basically converted the
engine to 2 x V4 engines (engine managemnt wise) by grouping the two as
cylinders 1,7,6,4 and 2,3,5,8. They split out the whole intake system for
each "engine" with seperate plenums and throttle plates. There was a
complicated cam system to make the transition for 4 to 8 cylinder operation
as smooth as possible.

The comment is made that at idle, the 4 cylinder engine was "largely
vibration free". As Smiffy said, unthrottled air was allowed to the unused
cylinders at idle, to reduce pumping losses.

John
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 16:27:10 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:27:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <BAY101-F9453E4E88D647B01E49D0FA560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005d01c528b2$f56edba0$3bb7caac@aoldsl.net>





  Thanks everybody for such a quick reply, you probably saved me a nightmare. The car is being booked in. Anyone know of a specialist in the Wimbledon/Kingston Area?

  Kind Regards, 

  Daran Clarke 
  93 Guards Red 928 GT
  >>>>>>>>>>
  Hi daran
  Try GT One at Chertsey. They are good. Call Peter Bedford 01932 569911

  John
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From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:27:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
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  Thanks everybody for such a quick reply, you probably saved me a nightmare. The car is being booked in. Anyone know of a specialist in the Wimbledon/Kingston Area?

  Kind Regards, 

  Daran Clarke 
  93 Guards Red 928 GT
  >>>>>>>>>>
  Hi daran
  Try GT One at Chertsey. They are good. Call Peter Bedford 01932 569911

  John
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Mar 14 17:03:11 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:03:11 -0000
Subject: [928uk] RE: HT (coil) Leads - update
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C7@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

For interest, here's what I ended up doing for my replacement king leads for my S4/GT.

The OPC leads eventually turned up (66GBP for the pair), but I'd already found a solution and the OPC took them back for a full refund - phew.

The solution was a pair of coil leads from Halfords for 3.94GBP each + a right angle adaptor (boot) kit for 4.99GBP. They stock the "Hotwire" (Lemark) individual leads, and the "C1" model (12" coil lead) is just the right length after you've fitted the right angle boots from the kit (instead of the straight ones that come push-fitted to the leads).

You do need to spread the metal contacts slightly at each end to get a bit of grip when you insert them into the end of the coil & dizzy cap, and of course its a bit of a fiddle to get your hands down to the bottom of the dizzy to push the boot on (restricted space - especially on n/s), but the result is fine. Even though the leads are orange (the boots are black), you can't tell once they're fitted - due to the pipework etc. in these areas.

The car now starts on the button like it used to and runs nice and sweetly - and no more dropping between 8- and 4-cyl mode!

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Walker, Scott 

Hi All,

I need to replace one of my coil ("king") HT leads due to damage from arcing, and thought I'd replace both while I'm at it (left & right coil leads). I looked at the price of full HT lead sets (200GBP+), but decided that was OTT. But no-one except the OPC stocked the individual king leads. I was told they were 21GBP+VAT each. Then the wrong ones turned up - at 28GBP+VAT each. Apparently the design of the S4 leads changed at 1990MY. The pre-90 king leads are identical for each side, and have a weird inner connector style on one end (presumably dizzy cap end). The post-90 leads are 'handed' (connectors are 90 degrees offset to each other on each lead, and in different directions on each lead) and have identical inner connectors on each end (and both are right angle style connectors).

I'm waiting to receive these post-90 leads from the OPC, but thought I'd warn people that there's actually nothing special about them - I tried some regular leads (generic coil leads) that I had lying around in the garage... and they fitted/worked fine. Might be more tricky with pre-90 design S4 leads with strange connector, but otherwise you might want to save yourself the 66GBP I'm looking at for two 6-inch coil leads!

Scott '91 GT
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 16:27:10 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:27:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <BAY101-F9453E4E88D647B01E49D0FA560@phx.gbl>
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  Thanks everybody for such a quick reply, you probably saved me a nightmare. The car is being booked in. Anyone know of a specialist in the Wimbledon/Kingston Area?

  Kind Regards, 

  Daran Clarke 
  93 Guards Red 928 GT
  >>>>>>>>>>
  Hi daran
  Try GT One at Chertsey. They are good. Call Peter Bedford 01932 569911

  John
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From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:27:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
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  Thanks everybody for such a quick reply, you probably saved me a nightmare. The car is being booked in. Anyone know of a specialist in the Wimbledon/Kingston Area?

  Kind Regards, 

  Daran Clarke 
  93 Guards Red 928 GT
  >>>>>>>>>>
  Hi daran
  Try GT One at Chertsey. They are good. Call Peter Bedford 01932 569911

  John
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From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:27:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <BAY101-F9453E4E88D647B01E49D0FA560@phx.gbl>
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  Thanks everybody for such a quick reply, you probably saved me a nightmare. The car is being booked in. Anyone know of a specialist in the Wimbledon/Kingston Area?

  Kind Regards, 

  Daran Clarke 
  93 Guards Red 928 GT
  >>>>>>>>>>
  Hi daran
  Try GT One at Chertsey. They are good. Call Peter Bedford 01932 569911

  John
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From chris at porsche-1.net  Mon Mar 14 19:10:06 2005
From: chris at porsche-1.net (Chris Kenward)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:10:06 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Idling High
In-Reply-To: <001f01c528af$e3427b60$3bb7caac@aoldsl.net>
References: <20050313224821.212D927EC27@mail.porsche-1.net>
	<002101c52825$d1208ec0$930fcbac@aoldsl.net>
	<20050314131630.3094527EC27@mail.porsche-1.net>
	<001f01c528af$e3427b60$3bb7caac@aoldsl.net>
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Hi John

Thanks for the feedback. I'm in Binfield, near Bracknell. Happy to drive the car to wherever I need to to get this checked out.

'92 GTS Manual
'04 550 Boxster

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Speake" <info at jdsporsche.com>
To: <chris at porsche-1.net>, <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 03:05 PM
Subject: [928uk] Idling High

> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> Hi Chris,
> The MAF should be OK at that milage unless the car has done most of its life
> doing short journeys (10 miles or less).
> It is easy to check the MAF calibration on my test jig. The accuracy
> required means that this is just about the only way, but see later....
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > I do know that the oxygen sensor was deleted at some stage in the car's
> history along with the cats....
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> OK, for a non-cat car, there is a good check of MAF ageing. Measure the
> exhaust CO in the usual way with the airpump feed disconnected and blanked
> off, as per the Workshop Manual.
> 
> Measure the exhaust CO at idle (engine must be a normal operating temp). It
> should be possible to adjust the idle mixture pot to get to the standard
> value of 1% CO. If the level cannot be adjusted up to this, then the MAF is
> badly aged. (This of course assumes that fuel pressure is OK, and that the
> injectors are flowing properly, and there are no airleaks).
> 
> If the idle is still wonky after confirming the mixture is OK, then there
> are sevetral possibilites for the problem.
> 1) Jammed/sticking ISV.
> 2) Fault with LH ECU (the drive circuits for the ISV are on the notorious
> "tile".
> 
> As Scott says, the quickest way to analyse the problem at this stage is with
> a Hamer or a Spanner !
> 
> Where are you ?
> 
> John



From terry at calluna34.demon.co.uk  Mon Mar 14 19:43:28 2005
From: terry at calluna34.demon.co.uk (Terry Rockall)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:43:28 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 16th March - Dent Magician Open Day
Message-ID: <oevjwIAgleNCFwfE@calluna34.demon.co.uk>

All,

Just a quick reminder, this coming Saturday is the Dent Magician Open 
Day.

Terry R.




From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Mon Mar 14 20:12:44 2005
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David P928)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:12:44 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack
References: <98697a430503140102ac7196a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015401c528d2$43703f00$dc689c51@hppav>

Paul

I went direct to the manufacturer - ZF

ZF GB are based in Nottingham. Their remanufactured racks appear new. They
come with all oilways plugged, casings replated with new mounting bushes
(most refurb outfits don't change these).

Easy to deal with and reasonable. I paid ?323 inc VAT exchange. Surcharge if
you don't present your old rack. They expect the tie-rods to be removed. I
got new gaiters, tie-rods and rod-ends from Euro Car Parts and Berlyn.

Tel. 0115 986 9211

David '90 S4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack


> What are my options for having the steering rack replaced? It has
> developed a leak into one of the gators, and this is a job I'm not
> going to attempt myself.
>
> Has anyone used a steering rack specialist? Is there any reason why
> they should be avoided with a 928?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk



From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 20:46:57 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:46:57 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C6@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c528d7$03905f00$3bb7caac@aoldsl.net>



> Thanks John - I'll have to see if I can track down that book (hopefully
easier to find/cheaper than "Project 928"!). Interesting that each V4 ran
smoothly. Kind of suggests that V4 mode shouldn't destroy your TT.
>>>>>>>>>
Hi Scott,
Don't forget this 4 cylinder mode was only used at low engine loads, so less
danger of TT damage...

Regards

John



From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Mar 14 21:03:43 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:03:43 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C6@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01c528d9$4ed93840$3bb7caac@aoldsl.net>

........sorry for the multiple posts to Daren. Not my fault.....don't know
what happened :-(

John



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Mon Mar 14 20:48:34 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:48:34 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Coming Un-glued :^)
Message-ID: <001401c528db$433012a0$02000003@oemcomputer>

I have a telephone aerial fitted to the rear hatch glass on my 928.  It
was fitted by/for the original owner and although I have no use for it I
have never bothered to remove it.

However, it is now in the way of my current little project so it has to
go.

There is a square unit about the size of a matchbox (yes, I know
matchboxes are not square) fixed to the inside of the glass and the
aerial baseplate of corresponding dimensions fixed to the outside of the
glass.

Does anybody know how these are normally fixed to the glass ??  (I am
quite sure that the glass would not have been drilled)
I obviously do not want to risk breaking the glass getting them off.

Bearing in mind these were fitted in 1995 would they be glued or fixed
with sticky pads ??

If they are glued, is there something specific that needs to be used to
dissolve/remove the glue ??

Any info/advice much appreciated.

Cheers,

George.



From andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz  Mon Mar 14 21:43:35 2005
From: andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz (Andy McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:43:35 +1300
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <42360587.38.4090.937027442@ihug.co.nz>

Try "Porsche 924, 928 944" by Jerry Sloniger (ISBN
0-85045-415-8, published 1981).  The book documets some of
Porsche's experiments in lightweight materials, passenger
safety and fuel efficiency.  There's a 2nd edition (ISBN
0-85045-776-9, published 1987) which includes the 928 S4. 
In the 2nd ed. Mr Sloniger is rather more stiffly called
Jerold E.

Project 928 is more specifically about the creation of the
928 from first sketch to production.  Also, it  was
published in 1977 and may have predated the 4-cylinder
cutout experiments.

Cheers,
Andy McIntyre
Black SE


>
> >From a book. I can't remember which one though. I think
> the book had a couple of chapters  on the 928, but covered
> the whole Porsche story, and its title was something like
> that. If  Project 928 is as good as its title suggests,
> I'm sure it will be in there too.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
> To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928UK"
> <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was
> HT (coil) Leads
>
>
> "When Porsche tried it on the 928..." - Smiffy, do you
> mean its documented somewhere? Are  we talking "Project
> 928" book or just "insider knowledge"?
>
> Scott '91 GT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
> [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Paul R Smith
>
> "Pumping losses."
> With valves closed, the piston puts energy into the gas as
> it compresses it, but gets most of that energy back when
> the piston goes back down. With valves open you are
> putting energy into pumping air through the inlet manifold
> , valves, cylinder and exhaust.
>
> When Porsche tried it on the 928, the cylinders that
> weren't running had the throttles wide open because that
> wasted less power than sucking air through closed
> throttles.
>
> Smiffy


From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 14 22:04:10 2005
From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:04:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8C5@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <005701c528e1$c03ddec0$ef9c2052@user328b210d3f>

Scott

Project 928 doesn't have any reference to TT failure or 4 cylinder mode. It 
just follows the 928 design process from idea to first launch at the Geneva 
motor show.
I'll try and scan the stuff from Jerry Slonigers book and e mail it to you 
tomorrow if that will help.

Cheers

Paul 86S2
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads


> Does anyone out there own a copy of the elusive 928 'birth story' book - 
> "Project 928"? (The only copies I've ever seen were mega-bucks.) If so, 
> does it have anything on running in 4-cyl mode in the 'engine development' 
> sections or whatever?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott '91 GT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Paul R Smith
>
>>From a book. I can't remember which one though. I think the book had a 
>>couple of chapters
> on the 928, but covered the whole Porsche story, and its title was 
> something like that. If
> Project 928 is as good as its title suggests, I'm sure it will be in there 
> too.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
>
> "When Porsche tried it on the 928..." - Smiffy, do you mean its documented 
> somewhere? Are
> we talking "Project 928" book or just "insider knowledge"?
>
> Scott '91 GT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Paul R Smith
>
> "Pumping losses."
> With valves closed, the piston puts energy into the gas as it compresses 
> it, but gets most
> of that energy back when the piston goes back down.
> With valves open you are putting energy into pumping air through the inlet 
> manifold,
> valves, cylinder and exhaust.
>
> When Porsche tried it on the 928, the cylinders that weren't running had 
> the throttles
> wide open because that wasted less power than sucking air through closed 
> throttles.
>
> Smiffy
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From greg.gray at optusnet.com.au  Mon Mar 14 23:18:35 2005
From: greg.gray at optusnet.com.au (Greg Gray)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:18:35 +1100
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack
References: <98697a430503140102ac7196a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c528ec$27273140$ca0ceddc@nsw.optushome.com.au>

You can of course put new seals in but the body where they run gets worn.
Sort of like a cylinder bore that is out of spec. New rings wont fix that,
just like new seals wont fix a worn steering rack. You may need a new one.
On the S4 I own the POrsche dealer tried two ZF reco units and both leaked.
It was then replaced with a new one and now no leaks.

Cheers Greg
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack


> What are my options for having the steering rack replaced? It has
> developed a leak into one of the gators, and this is a job I'm not
> going to attempt myself.
>
> Has anyone used a steering rack specialist? Is there any reason why
> they should be avoided with a 928?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>




From angusf at mac.com  Mon Mar 14 23:35:07 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:35:07 +0000
Subject: [928uk] web site news
Message-ID: <11444954.1110843308059.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

The web site seems busy. At the weekend 26 guests and 5 registered users at one point. Brilliant! Loads of you have registered too and remember to see the more personal parts of the site you need to be logged in. 

70% of users are Internet Explorer and most of the rest Firefox or Safari users (a few wierdos on other strange browsers). 

Im trying to add something new every single day. Today Ive added a few links. At the weekend I added my car speaker pics and the Porsche DAB radio pics.

To see the new links :-

>From the home page press 'Links' at the top left of the menu.

I put 2 new items in the 'specialist technical resource' section

1) 928 Recalls and service bulletins
A frighteningly long list.

2) Defining "Written Off"
A useful site with information about what it means when a vehicle is categorised as 'written off'. Categories 'D' and 'C' are deemed uneconomical to repair. 'B' category salvage is to be broken for parts only and 'A' crushed. The site explains all this and more

Some complaints about slow pictures and low bandwidth (the 50k limit) in the mail list. I wont raise the limit as its there to stop the posting of large amounts of data. I'm working on the pictures but it takes time (There are thousands).

Angus
PS If any of you want to submit content let me know off-list and I will tell you more. 


From donald.peach at virgin.net  Tue Mar 15 00:00:13 2005
From: donald.peach at virgin.net (Donald Peach)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:00:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
References: <12f.58ec147e.2f66c212@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003001c528f1$f7a9fff0$0d0cff3e@administlqfs68>

The battery (Porsche) that was in the car originally, and the new Bosche (Silver Seal I think) both had plastic covers that fit over the terminals and prevent shorts between +ve and earth (and between terminals). Having caused a battery to explode through a stray spark in the past, I am very wary about the connections for the Carcoon in case of mixing sparks and hydrogen. Could hardly believe the 'ease' with which the thing 'went up'. 

Regards,

Don.
88 manual S4.
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Mon Mar 14 23:57:42 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:57:42 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Question
Message-ID: <36Kczw02TiNCFwfG@ritech-systems.com>

I've been sitting in the Hot Tub pondering -

What is the mechanism which causes the driveshaft to migrate  inside the 
torque tube and consequentially wreck the engine of Autos?

Some thoughts
Only happens in late Autos, but that is probably because the shaft 
design was cheapened.

The manual has a sliding spline in the form of a clutch plate.

Is it moving in both directions?. Or, does it always take out the same 
thrust bearing surface?

If the shaft is going to move forwards for whatever reason then if the 
clamp bolt was looser rather than tighter the shaft could move within 
the clamp without pre loading the crank.

What say the sages?!

Richard


-- 
My goal in life is to be the sort of person my dog thinks I am.

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Mar 15 00:07:42 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:07:42 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Coming Un-glued :^)
In-Reply-To: <001401c528db$433012a0$02000003@oemcomputer>
References: <001401c528db$433012a0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <W6UUTP2OdiNCFwbB@ritech-systems.com>

George

Probably double sided sticky pads. Use a stanley knife blade to ease the 
corner up, then prise it with a wide, thin flat blade screwdriver. It 
takes a bit to start, but will come off. The goopy stuff will come off 
with thinners

Richard


>Does anybody know how these are normally fixed to the glass ??  (I am
>quite sure that the glass would not have been drilled)
>I obviously do not want to risk breaking the glass getting them off.
>
>Bearing in mind these were fitted in 1995 would they be glued or fixed
>with sticky pads ??




From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Mar 15 00:07:42 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:07:42 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Coming Un-glued :^)
In-Reply-To: <001401c528db$433012a0$02000003@oemcomputer>
References: <001401c528db$433012a0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <W6UUTP2OdiNCFwbB@ritech-systems.com>

George

Probably double sided sticky pads. Use a stanley knife blade to ease the 
corner up, then prise it with a wide, thin flat blade screwdriver. It 
takes a bit to start, but will come off. The goopy stuff will come off 
with thinners

Richard


>Does anybody know how these are normally fixed to the glass ??  (I am
>quite sure that the glass would not have been drilled)
>I obviously do not want to risk breaking the glass getting them off.
>
>Bearing in mind these were fitted in 1995 would they be glued or fixed
>with sticky pads ??




From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Tue Mar 15 03:27:14 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:27:14 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Question
References: <36Kczw02TiNCFwfG@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c5290e$eaae4e60$02000003@oemcomputer>

<I've been sitting in the Hot Tub pondering>

Nice for you :^)

<What is the mechanism which causes the driveshaft to migrate inside the
torque tube>

Popular opinion is that under load the drive shaft twists and hence
shortens in length. This pulls it backwards within the flex plate clamp.
When it returns to its "normal" length it then exerts a forward pressure
on the flex plate and hence on the crankshaft and hence on the Thrust
Bearing.  Personally I still do not fully understand this theory.  It
may happen once but on subsequent twisting/shortening the flex plate
would merely return to its "neutral" position and no further movement
within the clamp would occur.

There have been other theories about "ballooning" torque converters
(apparently some BMW's had a problem with this) but I could not follow
that one at all.

<Only happens in late Autos, but that is probably because the shaft
design was cheapened>

If by this you mean the deletion of the circlip arrangement, then yes.
Personally I cannot see why Porsche would have done this if the circlip
was there for a good reason.

<The manual has a sliding spline in the form of a clutch plate>

Indeed.

<Is it moving in both directions?. Or, does it always take out the same
thrust bearing surface?>

I believe the problem is always a forward pressure on the crankshaft,
which would wear the rear face of the thrust bearing.

<If the shaft is going to move forwards for whatever reason then if the
clamp bolt was looser rather than tighter the shaft could move within
the clamp without pre loading the crank>

Yes, but with the amount of torque being transmitted through the shaft a
"sliding spline" arrangement would not be able to cope and terminal wear
would result fairly quickly,


<What say the sages?!>

I'm certainly not one of those, but as a "late auto" owner I have paid
very careful attention to everything that has been discussed on this
subject :^(

George.
1995 GTS Auto

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Armstrong
  To: 1. 928 Racing ; 1. 928uk
  Sent: 14 March 2005 23:57
  Subject: [928uk] Question


  I've been sitting in the Hot Tub pondering -

  What is the mechanism which causes the driveshaft to migrate  inside
the
  torque tube and consequentially wreck the engine of Autos?

  Some thoughts
  Only happens in late Autos, but that is probably because the shaft
  design was cheapened.

  The manual has a sliding spline in the form of a clutch plate.

  Is it moving in both directions?. Or, does it always take out the same
  thrust bearing surface?

  If the shaft is going to move forwards for whatever reason then if the
  clamp bolt was looser rather than tighter the shaft could move within
  the clamp without pre loading the crank.

  What say the sages?!

  Richard


  -- 
  My goal in life is to be the sort of person my dog thinks I am.

  RITECH Systems Ltd
  www.ritech-systems.com
  Tel: 01380 818094
  Mob: 07702 541137

  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk



From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 07:03:37 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:03:37 EST
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
Message-ID: <d8.220db8d6.2f67e2c9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 14/03/2005 23:44:19 GMT Standard Time,  
donald.peach at virgin.net writes:

Could  hardly believe the 'ease' with which the thing 'went  up'


Got a friend with the scars in his face to prove it (and a small piece of  
unretrievable battery) T
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar 15 08:29:43 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:29:43 +1300
Subject: [928uk] web site news
References: <11444954.1110843308059.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>
Message-ID: <010301c52939$2422c3e0$f5667cca@computername>

Only one recall, That's amazingly short.
All the rest are really just updates to the workshop manual.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angus" <angusf at mac.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [928uk] web site news


> 1) 928 Recalls and service bulletins
> A frighteningly long list.



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar 15 08:48:00 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:48:00 +1300
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <BAY101-F26420238B62660E32B954BFA560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012f01c5293b$b206da50$f5667cca@computername>

The light means that there is insufficient tension on the belt. This should be checked and 
adjusted immediately. It should have been checked at every service. Drive at your own risk 
until the tension is checked!
But, at five years old, the belt should be replaced.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daran Clarke" <daran_clarke at hotmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:09 AM
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning


> Hi Everyone,
>
> A question for anyone who knows all about the service messages (on the digital dash 
> models).
>
> Yesterday I had 'Toothhead-Service' displayed on my dashboard along with an animated 
> picture of what looks like a large cog and a small cog being driven by a belt.
>
> I assume that this means I need to replace my cambelt? Does anyone know for sure?
>
> I had my cambelt replaced at around 35k and the car is sitting on 71k right now. Within 
> the 60k limit for a change but the belt is over 5 years old.
>
> If it is the belt, does the belt tensioner have a sensor on it so it can 'detect' when 
> the belt has degraded past a point?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Daran Clarke
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Mar 15 09:32:39 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:32:39 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Question
In-Reply-To: <002c01c5290e$eaae4e60$02000003@oemcomputer>
References: <36Kczw02TiNCFwfG@ritech-systems.com>
	<002c01c5290e$eaae4e60$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <Chah1Q43uqNCFw4j@ritech-systems.com>

Interesting George.

><If the shaft is going to move forwards for whatever reason then if the
>clamp bolt was looser rather than tighter the shaft could move within
>the clamp without pre loading the crank>
>
>Yes, but with the amount of torque being transmitted through the shaft a
>"sliding spline" arrangement would not be able to cope and terminal wear
>would result fairly quickly,


However, that same torque is being transmitted through the clutch
  splines, is it not? I guess it depends on the shaft material - 
apparently the manual has a short splined shaft attached to the 
driveshaft which the clutch slides on.
I had never thought about this sliding idea until a conversation with 
Paul Anderson.
I am still not convinced about what causes the shaft movement in the 
first place.

Richard



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Mar 15 09:32:39 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:32:39 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Question
In-Reply-To: <002c01c5290e$eaae4e60$02000003@oemcomputer>
References: <36Kczw02TiNCFwfG@ritech-systems.com>
	<002c01c5290e$eaae4e60$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <Chah1Q43uqNCFw4j@ritech-systems.com>

Interesting George.

><If the shaft is going to move forwards for whatever reason then if the
>clamp bolt was looser rather than tighter the shaft could move within
>the clamp without pre loading the crank>
>
>Yes, but with the amount of torque being transmitted through the shaft a
>"sliding spline" arrangement would not be able to cope and terminal wear
>would result fairly quickly,


However, that same torque is being transmitted through the clutch
  splines, is it not? I guess it depends on the shaft material - 
apparently the manual has a short splined shaft attached to the 
driveshaft which the clutch slides on.
I had never thought about this sliding idea until a conversation with 
Paul Anderson.
I am still not convinced about what causes the shaft movement in the 
first place.

Richard



From patrickc at hothouse.com.au  Tue Mar 15 09:49:51 2005
From: patrickc at hothouse.com.au (Patrick Cusack)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:49:51 +1100
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question
Message-ID: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3ED117D6@pigeon.hhi.net.au>

A local Shark engineer with a wealth of experience has thrown oil on many of these debates. I don't really know or care, but another factory trained Porsche engineer who works on my car concurs with may of these points.
 
The oil debate is sundry to Bruce's prognosis of the the drive sharft issue.
 
http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm
 
Pat '89GT

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of Richard Armstrong
Sent: Tue 3/15/2005 10:57 AM
To: 1. 928 Racing; 1. 928uk
Subject: [928uk] Question



I've been sitting in the Hot Tub pondering -

What is the mechanism which causes the driveshaft to migrate  inside the
torque tube and consequentially wreck the engine of Autos?

Some thoughts
Only happens in late Autos, but that is probably because the shaft
design was cheapened.

The manual has a sliding spline in the form of a clutch plate.

Is it moving in both directions?. Or, does it always take out the same
thrust bearing surface?

If the shaft is going to move forwards for whatever reason then if the
clamp bolt was looser rather than tighter the shaft could move within
the clamp without pre loading the crank.

What say the sages?!

Richard


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From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 10:07:58 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:07:58 EST
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question
Message-ID: <f.40d15501.2f680dfe@aol.com>

Oh Dear....just when I'd decided to switch to 10W 40.
This is exactly what Chris Sanderson says  he has found as well and  why he 
always fills with synthetic 10W 60.
 
_http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm_ 
(http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm)  
 
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From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 10:16:20 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:16:20 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question
References: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3ED117D6@pigeon.hhi.net.au>
Message-ID: <00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

[928uk] QuestionOh dear here we go again....
And I was just getting to the point of being convinced that I had the best recommended oil in my 928 (Mobil1 0W 40) - Put in by OPC at last service.
Now this seems to have been blown completely out of the water..
Where do we go from here?
I know I am now completely lost.

Cheers All,
Andy 88 S4 Auto

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Patrick Cusack 
  To: Richard Armstrong ; 1. 928 Racing ; 1. 928uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:49 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question


  A local Shark engineer with a wealth of experience has thrown oil on many of these debates. I don't really know or care, but another factory trained Porsche engineer who works on my car concurs with may of these points.

  The oil debate is sundry to Bruce's prognosis of the the drive sharft issue.

  http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm

  Pat '89GT


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  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of Richard Armstrong
  Sent: Tue 3/15/2005 10:57 AM
  To: 1. 928 Racing; 1. 928uk
  Subject: [928uk] Question


  I've been sitting in the Hot Tub pondering -

  What is the mechanism which causes the driveshaft to migrate  inside the
  torque tube and consequentially wreck the engine of Autos?

  Some thoughts
  Only happens in late Autos, but that is probably because the shaft
  design was cheapened.

  The manual has a sliding spline in the form of a clutch plate.

  Is it moving in both directions?. Or, does it always take out the same
  thrust bearing surface?

  If the shaft is going to move forwards for whatever reason then if the
  clamp bolt was looser rather than tighter the shaft could move within
  the clamp without pre loading the crank.

  What say the sages?!

  Richard


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  RITECH Systems Ltd
  www.ritech-systems.com
  Tel: 01380 818094
  Mob: 07702 541137

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From chris.clopet at btopenworld.com  Tue Mar 15 10:21:58 2005
From: chris.clopet at btopenworld.com (Chris Clopet)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:21:58 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Aerial
Message-ID: <001a01c52948$d639e630$0f432bd9@hope>

Hi George
I have a similar one on my 89 gt - a Hirschmann radio aerial and has been drilled and bonded. 
I believe any aerial on the glass has to be drilled for the wire to connect to retrieve a signal (?) 

Apart from changing the rear screen one could just fill the drilled hole with epoxy clear glue - guess the hole is 4mm appx - (I've thought about taking mine off) but I wonder if it would it be that noticeable... if you can try it first and let me know how it goes :)

To kill old glue and other pesky things use carburettor intake/injector spray cleaner  - some folk may wince at this but it works on most things - lethal - kills paintwork, human tissue, bugs etc...  
c
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Mar 15 10:37:04 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:37:04 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
References: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3ED117D6@pigeon.hhi.net.au>
	<00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <QRzlpO9QrrNCFwI0@ritech-systems.com>

Don't forget the temperatures are much higher in OZ (lucky ba**ards) so 
they need thicker oils.
Does your engine rattle on starting?

Richard



In message <00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0 at TRITECH.local>, Andy Brown 
<andy-brown at tritech.co.uk> writes
>Oh dear here we go again....
>And I was just getting to the point of being convinced that I had the best
>recommended oil in my 928 (Mobil1 0W 40) - Put in by OPC at last
>service.
>Now this seems to have been blown completely out of the water..
>Where do we go from here?
>I know I am now completely lost.
>?
>Cheers All,
>Andy 88 S4 Auto
>?



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Mar 15 10:37:04 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:37:04 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
References: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3ED117D6@pigeon.hhi.net.au>
	<00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <QRzlpO9QrrNCFwI0@ritech-systems.com>

Don't forget the temperatures are much higher in OZ (lucky ba**ards) so 
they need thicker oils.
Does your engine rattle on starting?

Richard



In message <00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0 at TRITECH.local>, Andy Brown 
<andy-brown at tritech.co.uk> writes
>Oh dear here we go again....
>And I was just getting to the point of being convinced that I had the best
>recommended oil in my 928 (Mobil1 0W 40) - Put in by OPC at last
>service.
>Now this seems to have been blown completely out of the water..
>Where do we go from here?
>I know I am now completely lost.
>?
>Cheers All,
>Andy 88 S4 Auto
>?



From chris.clopet at btopenworld.com  Tue Mar 15 10:35:38 2005
From: chris.clopet at btopenworld.com (Chris Clopet)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:35:38 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Knock knock ? Who's there
Message-ID: <002101c5294a$be9c9a20$0f432bd9@hope>

Half shaft blah...
Q. Has anyone got any good advice on half shaft knock ? At low speeds on/off throttle - a distant knock- to and fro.
I am guessing my half shafts require rebuilding/packing especially the n/s ,,,but wondered if anyone had done this (yet) and which cv joint usually quits first???
any advice most appreciated
chris 
89gt

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From Eyejosh at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 10:36:10 2005
From: Eyejosh at aol.com (Eyejosh at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:36:10 EST
Subject: [928uk] Two for One !
Message-ID: <9a.2258edb1.2f68149a@aol.com>

I would like to swap my 1984 928  for a slightly better one. Would  anyone 
who has a little time, and a nice 928 (or maybe a very nice 924  )  like my 928 
with my 1982 924  thrown in, as well as  an appropriate number of  ?? ? My 
wife is putting pressure on  to reduce the number of cars in  the drive ( and I 
fear she may  be right ). Both cars have been very well looked after over a 
long period (  I am, for my sins, an experimental physicist )  but they do - as 
ever  - need some work. If you are interested do send me an email to 
_eyejosh at aol.com_ (mailto:eyejosh at aol.com) .  J  Silver
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From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 10:44:28 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:44:28 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question
References: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3ED117D6@pigeon.hhi.net.au><00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
	<QRzlpO9QrrNCFwI0@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <013c01c5294b$f6a60a90$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hi Richard,
No my engine appears to run fairly sweetly (although I cant say that I
really have a good ear for these things).
Oil pressure remains normal (5 Bar running and dropping to 2.5\3 on idle).
Oh and living in Northern Scotland we are lucky if we have a few days
averaging 20c over the summer!
Anyone else have any comments on Pat's post.
Having read the link you could be forgiven for thinking that this was fairly
conclusive evidence for running a thicker oil!

Cheers
Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Armstrong" <richard at ritech-systems.com>
To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "1. 928 Racing"
<928racing at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "1. 928 Racing" <928racing at yahoogroups.com>; "1. 928uk"
<928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question


Don't forget the temperatures are much higher in OZ (lucky ba**ards) so
they need thicker oils.
Does your engine rattle on starting?

Richard



In message <00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0 at TRITECH.local>, Andy Brown
<andy-brown at tritech.co.uk> writes
>Oh dear here we go again....
>And I was just getting to the point of being convinced that I had the best
>recommended oil in my 928 (Mobil1 0W 40) - Put in by OPC at last
>service.
>Now this seems to have been blown completely out of the water..
>Where do we go from here?
>I know I am now completely lost.
>
>Cheers All,
>Andy 88 S4 Auto
>

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From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 11:01:45 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:01:45 EST
Subject: [928uk] Oil Debate
Message-ID: <12a.591f4aa3.2f681a99@aol.com>

 
Oh Dear....just when I thought it would be OK to switch to 10W  40.
This is exactly what Chris Sanderson says he has found as well.... and why  
he always fills with synthetic 10W 60.
 
_http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm_ 
(http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm)  
 
Dave

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From patrickc at hothouse.com.au  Tue Mar 15 11:49:39 2005
From: patrickc at hothouse.com.au (Patrick Cusack)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:49:39 +1100
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharfted into Oil Debate
Message-ID: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3ED117DB@pigeon.hhi.net.au>

Hi Dave,
 
I run Mobil Delvac (commercial truck oil) 10w-40 in both my cars.
 
(IMHO) It stays slippery for longer than Mobil 1. 
 
I am not entering into the debate about thick/thin oils.
 
The point of my post was Bruce's insight into the mysterious TT thrust bearing cannibalism.
 
Regards-
Pat. '89GT VR6 Golf (Mobil 1 since new)

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of Dk928 at aol.com
Sent: Tue 15/03/2005 22:01
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Oil Debate


  
Oh Dear....just when I thought it would be OK to switch to 10W 40.
This is exactly what Chris Sanderson says he has found as well.... and why he always fills with synthetic 10W 60.
 
http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm 
 
Dave
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From omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 11:53:26 2005
From: omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk (Omi Heer)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:53:26 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
In-Reply-To: <1110750011.13859.218222676@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <NAEDKNPCNGFNPGAPOIFHMEOLCJAA.omi@oheer.fsnet.co.uk>

Nick,
The 928S2 and S4 are notorious for battery drain. The threads on this topic
go way back with little resolve, other than 'trickle' charging when the
vehicle has been parked for more than a week.

I have over come this issue by using a Porsche trickle charging unit (others
will suffice). Connecting it directly onto battery terminals; not onto the
cigarette lighter as this is will disconnect the live feed to the battery,
once the key is removed from the ignition on the S4.

Regards

Oheer
928 S4, 91 mid blue.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Joe Farman
Sent: 13 March 2005 21:40
To: Helen&Nick Edmunds; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] starting probs.


Hi Nick, on my 83S and also the 82S if the battery is low i get a click
and nothing more, a few hours on charge and she normally fires up ok, a
possibility maybe, no experience otherwise with newer 928's.

atb,
Joe


----- Original message -----
From: "Helen&Nick Edmunds" <corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:51:35 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
Hi all,i would like some advice from you guys please,I,ve got a 95 gts
that i drive as a third car [once or twice a week],had it for some time
with no problems at all.i got in it today turned the key all the
ignition lights came on gave it the extra turn to start it and nothing,I
can hear a click coming from the fusebox and the usual noises [fule pump
ect]but no starter motor.Is this a common problem eg relay or so fuse
some place or do you think it might be the imobiliser or the wiring to
the motor itself.Your help would be most appeciated as i,m stuffed
[can,t get it out of the garage].Nick.

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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Tue Mar 15 11:56:27 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:56:27 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8CC@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Dave,
 
Here in the UK we should temper these findings slightly:
 
"we only use at the Authorised Dealer 25w-50 oil and it gives excellent result for our high temp summers and moderate winters here in Sydney Australia up to year models 1991 911 928 & 944"
 
"...and I am talking 150,000 km, 250,000 km and in 2 cases 275,000km plus"
 
- as our ambient temps are lower and our average mileages are lower here in the UK. 25W- is too thick for all-year UK use. However I do agree with:
 
"In the late 1970's I and a friend had a Ducati 900 & 750 SS Bevel drive v twins respectively and we found out quickly that if you ran a multi grade oil even a 20w-50, the top end just goes to scrap in no time at all. Use a straight 50 grade racing oil and those engines of that era ran well. It just occurred to me that these engines and the Porsche water cooled engines were all of the same era."

- albeit you cannot directly compare bike & car oil grades. But the 'vintage' of our engines is why I have just put 15W-50 fully synthetic into my '91 GT (Mobil 1 "Motorsport Formula" road car oil), and the results so far are good compared to the 5W-40 synthetic I ran before. I've always felt that 0W-40 (or lower) is too thin. But 10W-40 to 20W-50 range is fine for UK use. My 100K mile engine particularly likes the thicker 15W-50. But if you're doing low miles on a low mileage engine I'd say a 10W-40 is just fine. Even in "hot Oz" they're not using xW-60, so I'd say this is overkill. At the end of the day, its whatever you feel "comfortable" with!
 
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com



Oh Dear....just when I'd decided to switch to 10W 40.
This is exactly what Chris Sanderson says  he has found as well and why he always fills with synthetic 10W 60.
 
http://www.landsharkoz.com/tech/bb/bbipr.htm 
 
Dave

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From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 12:17:17 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:17:17 EST
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharfted into Oil Debate
Message-ID: <142.417fa97f.2f682c4d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 15/03/05 11:44:35 GMT Standard Time,  
patrickc at hothouse.com.au writes:

Mobil  Delvac (commercial truck oil) 10w-40 in both my  cars.


Thanks Patrick.... thats the one Mobil recomend for the 928 if you go thro  
their online choice/help guide.
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar 15 12:28:59 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:28:59 +1300
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <002d01c52958$01b72d90$1001a8c0@lazylobs>
Message-ID: <002e01c5295a$911e88a0$97667cca@computername>

As far as I know there is only one way that the digi-dash computer knows anything about 
the belt, and that is the insufficient tension contact built into the tensioner. I can 
only assume that "toothead" was either miss-read or mistyped.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kal" <kal at 64525.com>
To: "'Paul R Smith'" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:10 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning


Well I thought that at first smiffy but his error was 'toothhead-Service'
and when my belt needed tensioning a few hundred miles after a new one was
fitted it said 'toothbelt-service'......... So I'm thinking there must be a
difference between the two error messages (apart from the actual spelling)




From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar 15 12:48:17 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:48:17 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8CC@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c5295d$43212470$97667cca@computername>

That is a totally erroneous comparison. The 928 does not have gears driving the cams, in 
fact I can't think of any gears that are lubricated by the engine oil.

Many motorcycle engines use the engine oil to also lubricate the gearbox, and the wet 
clutch, so have different requirements for the oil.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
To: <Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:56 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil


> Dave,
>
>
> "In the late 1970's I and a friend had a Ducati 900 & 750 SS Bevel drive v twins 
> respectively and we found out quickly that if you ran a multi grade oil even a 20w-50, 
> the top end just goes to scrap in no time at all. Use a straight 50 grade racing oil and 
> those engines of that era ran well. It just occurred to me that these engines and the 
> Porsche water cooled engines were all of the same era."
>



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Mar 15 12:57:52 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:57:52 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8CC@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c5295e$9a270400$97667cca@computername>

What most people fail to realise is that 0W cold is still thicker than XW-50 hot.

So if you are happy that a XW-50 hot is thick enough, 0W-50 will meet your requirements, 
and by the same argument, 10W-40 is worse than 0W-40 (harder to circulate when cold and 
both are still thicker when cold than XW-40 when hot).

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
To: <Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:56 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil


 I've always felt that 0W-40 (or lower) is too thin. But 10W-40 to 20W-50 range is fine 
for UK use. 



From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 12:59:07 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:59:07 EST
Subject: [928uk] Drive Sharft Question
Message-ID: <1a2.2f5e88b2.2f68361b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 15/03/2005 10:38:24 GMT Standard Time,  
richard at ritech-systems.com writes:

Does  your engine rattle on starting?



Hi I'm  on the 0W-40 M1: no rattles and the car seems to go really  well on 
it. Low pressure on the guage but high flow, occasionally i've got below  2 
bar. Last oil was the 15W-50. Tim '92gts 110k miles
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From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 12:52:00 2005
From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:52:00 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
References: <NAEDKNPCNGFNPGAPOIFHMEOLCJAA.omi@oheer.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000201c52960$5e8682c0$76eb193e@dan>

Actually, guys, there's an easier way. Dr Anderson swapped the cigar lighter
fuse connection for a spar/redundant other on the board and thus I can plug
a solar trickle charger in to my cigar lighter socket even when car switched
off. If anyone out there is experiencing cold start difficulties, don't use
the car for very short journeys. If you have to, then go further in order to
at least achieve half operating temperature before switching off. Should be
less of a problem now that we are moving towards Spring but make a note to
get the injectors checked later on; Dr A suspects a sticky one of these can
make cold starts difficult.

Alan 1990 S4 auto

----- Original Message -----
From: "Omi Heer" <omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] starting probs.


> Nick,
> The 928S2 and S4 are notorious for battery drain. The threads on this
topic
> go way back with little resolve, other than 'trickle' charging when the
> vehicle has been parked for more than a week.
>
> I have over come this issue by using a Porsche trickle charging unit
(others
> will suffice). Connecting it directly onto battery terminals; not onto the
> cigarette lighter as this is will disconnect the live feed to the battery,
> once the key is removed from the ignition on the S4.
>
> Regards
>
> Oheer
> 928 S4, 91 mid blue.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Joe Farman
> Sent: 13 March 2005 21:40
> To: Helen&Nick Edmunds; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] starting probs.
>
>
> Hi Nick, on my 83S and also the 82S if the battery is low i get a click
> and nothing more, a few hours on charge and she normally fires up ok, a
> possibility maybe, no experience otherwise with newer 928's.
>
> atb,
> Joe
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Helen&Nick Edmunds" <corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:51:35 -0000
> Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
> Hi all,i would like some advice from you guys please,I,ve got a 95 gts
> that i drive as a third car [once or twice a week],had it for some time
> with no problems at all.i got in it today turned the key all the
> ignition lights came on gave it the extra turn to start it and nothing,I
> can hear a click coming from the fusebox and the usual noises [fule pump
> ect]but no starter motor.Is this a common problem eg relay or so fuse
> some place or do you think it might be the imobiliser or the wiring to
> the motor itself.Your help would be most appeciated as i,m stuffed
> [can,t get it out of the garage].Nick.
>
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From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com  Tue Mar 15 13:23:24 2005
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:23:24 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
In-Reply-To: <000201c52960$5e8682c0$76eb193e@dan>
Message-ID: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEHHKCAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.com>

Alan

This sounds interesting - are you saying that just changing the fuse on the
board for a different one will keep the lighter alive with the ignition off?
In which case - what does it have to be swapped for?

Kingsley

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Alan Marks
> Sent: 15 March 2005 12:52
> To: omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] starting probs.
>
>
> Actually, guys, there's an easier way. Dr Anderson swapped the
> cigar lighter
> fuse connection for a spar/redundant other on the board and thus
> I can plug
> a solar trickle charger in to my cigar lighter socket even when
> car switched
> off. If anyone out there is experiencing cold start difficulties,
> don't use
> the car for very short journeys. If you have to, then go further
> in order to
> at least achieve half operating temperature before switching off.
> Should be
> less of a problem now that we are moving towards Spring but make a note to
> get the injectors checked later on; Dr A suspects a sticky one of
> these can
> make cold starts difficult.
>
> Alan 1990 S4 auto



From jason_x at ntlworld.com  Tue Mar 15 13:42:23 2005
From: jason_x at ntlworld.com (Jason)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:42:23 -0000
Subject: FW: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
Message-ID: <20050315134224.MKED1289.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>

Not too sure if this was posted before but it details the new V8 engine out
in the states that deactivates 4 cylinders on demand to reduce fuel
consumption. 

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html

All the best,

Jason X





-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of John Speake
Sent: 14 March 2005 20:47
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads



> Thanks John - I'll have to see if I can track down that book (hopefully
easier to find/cheaper than "Project 928"!). Interesting that each V4 ran
smoothly. Kind of suggests that V4 mode shouldn't destroy your TT.
>>>>>>>>>
Hi Scott,
Don't forget this 4 cylinder mode was only used at low engine loads, so less
danger of TT damage...

Regards

John

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From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 15:19:33 2005
From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:19:33 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
References: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEHHKCAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.com>
Message-ID: <001601c52972$7722b120$97f2193e@dan>

Kingsley - (1) Yup, that's what Dr A said (2) can't remember which was the
spare socket but I recall that there was no fuse in it. Regards, Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team" <kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] starting probs.


> Alan
>
> This sounds interesting - are you saying that just changing the fuse on
the
> board for a different one will keep the lighter alive with the ignition
off?
> In which case - what does it have to be swapped for?
>
> Kingsley
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> > Behalf Of Alan Marks
> > Sent: 15 March 2005 12:52
> > To: omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] starting probs.
> >
> >
> > Actually, guys, there's an easier way. Dr Anderson swapped the
> > cigar lighter
> > fuse connection for a spar/redundant other on the board and thus
> > I can plug
> > a solar trickle charger in to my cigar lighter socket even when
> > car switched
> > off. If anyone out there is experiencing cold start difficulties,
> > don't use
> > the car for very short journeys. If you have to, then go further
> > in order to
> > at least achieve half operating temperature before switching off.
> > Should be
> > less of a problem now that we are moving towards Spring but make a note
to
> > get the injectors checked later on; Dr A suspects a sticky one of
> > these can
> > make cold starts difficult.
> >
> > Alan 1990 S4 auto
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>



From justin at pressland.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 15:33:38 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:33:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 SE/CS handbook
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446CB2824@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

Was the handbook different for the SE/CS?
 
If so, are they available in English?  If not, are early
S4 handbooks available.
 
Justin
proto CS
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From angusf at mac.com  Tue Mar 15 15:37:25 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:37:25 +0000
Subject: [928uk] web site news
In-Reply-To: <010301c52939$2422c3e0$f5667cca@computername>
References: <11444954.1110843308059.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>
	<010301c52939$2422c3e0$f5667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <12320326.1110901045439.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

 On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 08:35AM, Paul R Smith <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:

>Only one recall, That's amazingly short.
>All the rest are really just updates to the workshop manual.
>Smiffy
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Angus" <angusf at mac.com>
>> 1) 928 Recalls and service bulletins
>> A frighteningly long list.
>
Ssh Smiffy Im trying to get people to use the web site :-)

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From angusf at mac.com  Tue Mar 15 15:58:18 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:58:18 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S4 SE/CS handbook
In-Reply-To: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446CB2824@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>
References: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E446CB2824@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <2358407.1110902298446.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

No there isnt a special version. For an SE you need a 1988 Drivers handbook. You can find them on ebay, gmund books I think, and at the autojumble type events. I have one at home and will dig up the part number for you.

Your car I think is an 87 so I suppose an 87 manual is what you need. I dont know if it was different.

I have an 88 928 brochure too and the SE / club sport isnt in that.

Remind me off list (I will forget) and I will send you a copy of my collected articles about club sports and SE's file....

Angus
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From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 16:35:50 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:35:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
Message-ID: <027401c5297d$0cb22720$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hi All,
A question for the more technical --
Having still not checked my flexplate and not trusting any garages in my immediate location to do it for me (or even to know what I am talking about).
I am looking to eventually do this myself.
To this end I came across the following post on 'Nichols.nu' -----

Hi fellow automatic drivers

this weekend I was underneath the car anyway, so I decided to take a look at the flexplate. Since I didn't want to drop the exhaust for taking off the bell housing cover plate, I found an easier and quicker solution: It is possible to use the small access hole covered with a plastic plug. After taking off the rear part of the belly pan and unplugging the hole. To be able to see anything in the otherwise perfectly dark bell housing, I soldered two wires to a 21 W indicator bulb (insulated it with tape) and connected the wires with clips to the 12 v terminal under the hood. The bulb fits right through the hole in the bell housing, so I was able to see and inspect everything in there and also fit the socket through the access hole to loosen and re-tighten the pinch bolt after I turning the engine manually until the pinch bolt was accessable. The whole work took less than 10 minutes and I'll plan to repeat it with every engine oil change while the oil drains out.

Has anyone else attempted anything similar to this as I also dont like the idea of dropping the exhaust to gain access. How do you 'turn the engine manually' to see the pinch bolt, and can you really get a torque wrench through this access hole?  Is this bell housing full of oil and would this have to be drained first? Basically in anyones opinion would this be feasible?

Cheers,

Andy 
88 S4 Auto
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Tue Mar 15 16:36:27 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:36:27 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8D2@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

The analogy was about age/engine vintage, not about motorbike and car lubrication systems/oil grades...

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith

That is a totally erroneous comparison. The 928 does not have gears driving the cams, in 
fact I can't think of any gears that are lubricated by the engine oil.

Many motorcycle engines use the engine oil to also lubricate the gearbox, and the wet 
clutch, so have different requirements for the oil.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walker, Scott" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>
>
> "In the late 1970's I and a friend had a Ducati 900 & 750 SS Bevel drive v twins 
> respectively and we found out quickly that if you ran a multi grade oil even a 20w-50, 
> the top end just goes to scrap in no time at all. Use a straight 50 grade racing oil and 
> those engines of that era ran well. It just occurred to me that these engines and the 
> Porsche water cooled engines were all of the same era."
>
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Tue Mar 15 17:08:43 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:08:43 +0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
In-Reply-To: <027401c5297d$0cb22720$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
References: <027401c5297d$0cb22720$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <1110906523.27665.218382308@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Andy,

It is fairly straight forward as long as you have clear access under the
car, the ehaust manifolds are held on by three bolts each, they are the
same size as a few other cars and i found them readily available at my
local tyre and exhaust centre, be prepared with 6 new nuts and bolts and
some copperslip or equivalent as they may be well past their best also
support the exhaust with rope from above or jack underneath so as not to
damage it or the rubbers it suspends from.

The bell housing is dry and no oil should drain out when the cover is
removed, it is held on by 6 bolts, 13mm spanner, the reason the exhaust
has to be lowered is to get access to the two forward cover bolts, NOTE
many people leave these bolts out when refitting the cover without ill
effect to allow the cover to be removed in the future without the need
to lower the exhaust manifold.

The engine can be easily turned by using a 27mm (if memeory serves me
correctly) socket and short extension on the crankshaft pulley bolt,
NOTE always turn the engine in the direction of rotation and not
backwards as it is said that the tensioner may be damaged by counter
rotating the engine.

It us worthwhile paying the few pennies for a new pinch bolt as well.

Hold a small straight edge against the flexplate to see if it is bowed,
then measure the distance from the edge of the clamp to the end of the
splines before undoing the pinch bolt, if excessive movement is noted
when the pinch bolt is released get the crankshaft endfloat checked asap
afterwards to check for wear on the thrust bearing.

Depending on where you live there are a few people that can be trusted
to check it properly, ask for local reccomendations if you prefer to get
someone else to check it.

atb,
Joe 
 

----- Original message -----
From: "Andy Brown" <andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:35:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
Hi All,
A question for the more technical --
Having still not checked my flexplate and not trusting any garages in my
immediate location to do it for me (or even to know what I am talking
about).
I am looking to eventually do this myself.
To this end I came across the following post on 'Nichols.nu' -----
 
Hi fellow automatic drivers

this weekend I was underneath the car anyway, so I decided to take a
look at the flexplate. Since I didn't want to drop the exhaust for
taking off the bell housing cover plate, I found an easier and quicker
solution: It is possible to use the small access hole covered with a
plastic plug. After taking off the rear part of the belly pan and
unplugging the hole. To be able to see anything in the otherwise
perfectly dark bell housing, I soldered two wires to a 21 W indicator
bulb (insulated it with tape) and connected the wires with clips to the
12 v terminal under the hood. The bulb fits right through the hole in
the bell housing, so I was able to see and inspect everything in there
and also fit the socket through the access hole to loosen and re-tighten
the pinch bolt after I turning the engine manually until the pinch bolt
was accessable. The whole work took less than 10 minutes and I'll plan
to repeat it with every engine oil change while the oil drains out.
 
Has anyone else attempted anything similar to this as I also dont like
the idea of dropping the exhaust to gain access. How do you 'turn the
engine manually' to see the pinch bolt, and can you really get a torque
wrench through this access hole?  Is this bell housing full of oil and
would this have to be drained first? Basically in anyones opinion would
this be feasible?
 
Cheers,
 
Andy 
88 S4 Auto


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928uk at 928.org.uk
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Tue Mar 15 17:09:05 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:09:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
Message-ID: <1110906545.27699.218382308@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Andy,

It is fairly straight forward as long as you have clear access under the
car, the ehaust manifolds are held on by three bolts each, they are the
same size as a few other cars and i found them readily available at my
local tyre and exhaust centre, be prepared with 6 new nuts and bolts and
some copperslip or equivalent as they may be well past their best also
support the exhaust with rope from above or jack underneath so as not to
damage it or the rubbers it suspends from.

The bell housing is dry and no oil should drain out when the cover is
removed, it is held on by 6 bolts, 13mm spanner, the reason the exhaust
has to be lowered is to get access to the two forward cover bolts, NOTE
many people leave these bolts out when refitting the cover without ill
effect to allow the cover to be removed in the future without the need
to lower the exhaust manifold.

The engine can be easily turned by using a 27mm (if memeory serves me
correctly) socket and short extension on the crankshaft pulley bolt,
NOTE always turn the engine in the direction of rotation and not
backwards as it is said that the tensioner may be damaged by counter
rotating the engine.

It us worthwhile paying the few pennies for a new pinch bolt as well.

Hold a small straight edge against the flexplate to see if it is bowed,
then measure the distance from the edge of the clamp to the end of the
splines before undoing the pinch bolt, if excessive movement is noted
when the pinch bolt is released get the crankshaft endfloat checked asap
afterwards to check for wear on the thrust bearing.

Depending on where you live there are a few people that can be trusted
to check it properly, ask for local reccomendations if you prefer to get
someone else to check it.

atb,
Joe 
 

----- Original message -----
From: "Andy Brown" <andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:35:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
Hi All,
A question for the more technical --
Having still not checked my flexplate and not trusting any garages in my
immediate location to do it for me (or even to know what I am talking
about).
I am looking to eventually do this myself.
To this end I came across the following post on 'Nichols.nu' -----
 
Hi fellow automatic drivers

this weekend I was underneath the car anyway, so I decided to take a
look at the flexplate. Since I didn't want to drop the exhaust for
taking off the bell housing cover plate, I found an easier and quicker
solution: It is possible to use the small access hole covered with a
plastic plug. After taking off the rear part of the belly pan and
unplugging the hole. To be able to see anything in the otherwise
perfectly dark bell housing, I soldered two wires to a 21 W indicator
bulb (insulated it with tape) and connected the wires with clips to the
12 v terminal under the hood. The bulb fits right through the hole in
the bell housing, so I was able to see and inspect everything in there
and also fit the socket through the access hole to loosen and re-tighten
the pinch bolt after I turning the engine manually until the pinch bolt
was accessable. The whole work took less than 10 minutes and I'll plan
to repeat it with every engine oil change while the oil drains out.
 
Has anyone else attempted anything similar to this as I also dont like
the idea of dropping the exhaust to gain access. How do you 'turn the
engine manually' to see the pinch bolt, and can you really get a torque
wrench through this access hole?  Is this bell housing full of oil and
would this have to be drained first? Basically in anyones opinion would
this be feasible?
 
Cheers,
 
Andy 
88 S4 Auto


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From SSaunders at potato.org.uk  Tue Mar 15 17:12:27 2005
From: SSaunders at potato.org.uk (Steve Saunders)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:12:27 -0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
Message-ID: <54E59FC84E3B86499B5CCA0C39E136C00D01BB@duke.potato.org.uk>

Probably sounds do-able but (not sure about later models - esp. with cats?) on my S2 you do not have to touch the exhaust.  Just 6 bolts M8 (13mm socket on a long extension) and drop the bell housing off (no oil etc. its dry in there - or should be).  Access is then very easy.  you may just need to turn the engine (screwdriver lever in the flywheel teeth to inch it round) so you can get at the pinch bolt (10mm long allen key).  Release - re tighten (or fit new bolt if you wish).  About 20 minutes and you are done - helps if you have a lift or a pit or are considerably thinner than me.
 
Steve.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Brown [mailto:andy-brown at tritech.co.uk]
Sent: 15 March 2005 16:36
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE


Hi All,
A question for the more technical --
Having still not checked my flexplate and not trusting any garages in my immediate location to do it for me (or even to know what I am talking about).
I am looking to eventually do this myself.
To this end I came across the following post on 'Nichols.nu' -----
 
Hi fellow automatic drivers

this weekend I was underneath the car anyway, so I decided to take a look at the flexplate. Since I didn't want to drop the exhaust for taking off the bell housing cover plate, I found an easier and quicker solution: It is possible to use the small access hole covered with a plastic plug. After taking off the rear part of the belly pan and unplugging the hole. To be able to see anything in the otherwise perfectly dark bell housing, I soldered two wires to a 21 W indicator bulb (insulated it with tape) and connected the wires with clips to the 12 v terminal under the hood. The bulb fits right through the hole in the bell housing, so I was able to see and inspect everything in there and also fit the socket through the access hole to loosen and re-tighten the pinch bolt after I turning the engine manually until the pinch bolt was accessable. The whole work took less than 10 minutes and I'll plan to repeat it with every engine oil change while the oil drains out.
 
Has anyone else attempted anything similar to this as I also dont like the idea of dropping the exhaust to gain access. How do you 'turn the engine manually' to see the pinch bolt, and can you really get a torque wrench through this access hole?  Is this bell housing full of oil and would this have to be drained first? Basically in anyones opinion would this be feasible?
 
Cheers,
 
Andy 
88 S4 Auto



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From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 19:15:05 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:15:05 EST
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
Message-ID: <14.41362e24.2f688e39@aol.com>

Duhhh....Whats XW 50 ?
Dave
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From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 15 20:27:09 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:27:09 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine info
Message-ID: <BAY101-F35E9451F4F203D259E0A05FA570@phx.gbl>

Guys


What was the engine type number for the 85/86 MY S2 with LH fuel injection 
M28. ?


Stuart




From donald.peach at virgin.net  Tue Mar 15 21:44:22 2005
From: donald.peach at virgin.net (Donald Peach)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:44:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
References: <d8.220db8d6.2f67e2c9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004401c529a8$293411d0$b20dff3e@administlqfs68>

Am not surprised. I was lucky to escape without injury, but did ruin my clothes.
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From donald.peach at virgin.net  Tue Mar 15 21:57:59 2005
From: donald.peach at virgin.net (Donald Peach)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:57:59 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Aerial
References: <001a01c52948$d639e630$0f432bd9@hope>
Message-ID: <00d401c529aa$0e96a520$b20dff3e@administlqfs68>

You do not necessarily need a wired connection: magnetic flux linkage could be used to induce a signal in a unit glued to the inside of the glass. However, I do not know that this is the case as I have never had such an antenna on my car.

Don.
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Tue Mar 15 21:55:33 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:55:33 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <002d01c52958$01b72d90$1001a8c0@lazylobs>
	<002e01c5295a$911e88a0$97667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <001b01c529a9$c3463fe0$d031c9ac@aoldsl.net>

Hi,
I can't confirm, but it is possible that the digidash gives a retension
"advise" warning at a set distance travelled after a belt change ? Hmmm, how
does it know the belt was changed ? Oh well, back to the drawing board....

But normally, the digidash is just acting on the signal from the dodgy
designed tension warning light. I've seen better belt metal contacts in a
toaster !

John


Quote
> As far as I know there is only one way that the digi-dash computer knows
anything about
> the belt, and that is the insufficient tension contact built into the
tensioner. I can
> only assume that "toothead" was either miss-read or mistyped.
>

>
> Well I thought that at first smiffy but his error was 'toothhead-Service'
> and when my belt needed tensioning a few hundred miles after a new one was
> fitted it said 'toothbelt-service'......... So I'm thinking there must be
a
> difference between the two error messages (apart from the actual spelling)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Tue Mar 15 22:06:38 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:06:38 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine info
References: <BAY101-F35E9451F4F203D259E0A05FA570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c301c529ab$45f110e0$d031c9ac@aoldsl.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stuart hickmott" <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:27 PM
Subject: [928uk] Engine info


> Guys
>
>
> What was the engine type number for the 85/86 MY S2 with LH fuel injection
> M28. ?
>
>
> Stuart
>>>>>>>
Hi Stuart,
M28.21 manual, M28.22 Auto

John



From info at jdsporsche.com  Tue Mar 15 22:04:29 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:04:29 -0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
References: <54E59FC84E3B86499B5CCA0C39E136C00D01BB@duke.potato.org.uk>
Message-ID: <00b801c529ab$435ad5a0$d031c9ac@aoldsl.net>


  ----- 

  Probably sounds do-able but (not sure about later models - esp. with cats?) on my S2 you do not have to touch the exhaust.  Just 6 bolts M8 (13mm socket on a long extension) and drop the bell housing off (no oil etc. its dry in there - or should be).  Access is then very easy.  you may just need to turn the engine (screwdriver lever in the flywheel teeth to inch it round) so you can get at the pinch bolt (10mm long allen key).  Release - re tighten (or fit new bolt if you wish).  About 20 minutes and you are done - helps if you have a lift or a pit or are considerably thinner than me.
  >>>>>>>>>>>>
  Hi,
  I think on any non-cat car it is not necessary to drop the exhuast. If the flex plate is badly bowed before releasing the tension, then I would recommend checking the crankshaft end float. You can lever the timing ring back and forth for this check. The max allowable is 0.4mm. It's difficult to get measuring gear in there, but the play can be easily estimated.

  John
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From paul at paullacey.com  Tue Mar 15 22:08:53 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:08:53 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine info
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F35E9451F4F203D259E0A05FA570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAY3xdvW2e5EeEJgGQ2BkvHgEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi Stuart,
M28.21 Manual
M28.22 Auto

Paul

'85 928S2 Turquoise
'90 928GT Baltic Blue


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of stuart hickmott
Sent: 15 March 2005 20:27
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Engine info


Guys


What was the engine type number for the 85/86 MY S2 with LH fuel
injection 
M28. ?


Stuart


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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Tue Mar 15 22:12:58 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:12:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Engine info
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F35E9451F4F203D259E0A05FA570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200503152212.j2FMCwC9028385@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

stuart hickmott wrote:
> 
> 
> What was the engine type number for the 85/86 MY S2 with LH fuel injection 
> M28. ?

All LH-Jetronic:

1985   928 S  Eur., R.o.W.  Man   M 28.21   4664 cc
       928 S  Eur., R.o.W.  Auto  M 28.22   4664 cc
       928 S  USA, CAN      Man   M 28.43   4957 cc
       928 S  USA, Jap, CAN Auto  M 28.44   4957 cc

1986   928 S  Eur., R.o.W.  Man   M 28.21   4664 cc
       928 S  Eur., R.o.W.  Auto  M 28.22   4664 cc
       928 S  USA           Man   M 28.43   4957 cc
       928 S  USA, Jap      Auto  M 28.44   4957 cc
       928 S  AUS M-298/299 Man   M 28.45   4957 cc
       928 S  AUS M-298/299 Auto  M 28.46   4957 cc
       928 S  Sweden, CH    Man   M 28.21   4664 cc
       928 S  Sweden, CH    Auto  M 28.22   4664 cc

[There may be an error in the 1986 "Sweden, CH" model data.
I'll check tonight.]

-- 
Phil

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain
occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
        -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), third US President


From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 15 22:26:07 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:26:07 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine Info
Message-ID: <BAY101-F16FC54A811A071E7728D6AFA570@phx.gbl>

Thank You


John, Paul, Phil for the info



Stuart




From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Tue Mar 15 23:02:41 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:02:41 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Oil Debate
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c52948$08566130$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <200503152302.j2FN2fHT002808@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Andy Brown wrote:
>
> I know I am now completely lost.

Hi Andy,

It's worth mentioning that Bruce Buchan's comments were published
on Landshark as a result of some "animated debate" down under.

I will say that Bruce has some devoted followers, and I do not
doubt his sincerity for a minute.

However I find Bruce's arguments largely anecdotal.  They certainly
don't go any where near the objectivity that Dough Hillary achieved
by conducting used oil analyses in his 928 over a period of two years,
and publishing the data for all to see.  Doug showed that a Mobil 
Delvac 1 5W-40 (25% ester based) synthetic in his 928, in a HOT part
of Austraila, delevered VIRTUALLY ZERO engine wear (measured by metal
particle counts) over a 12 month period.

It may be that Bruce's "Authorised Dealer 25w-50 oil" could deliver
similar results.  But we have no objective evidence....  It might also
be that much of Bruce's anecdotal evidence was collected prior to the
advent of the modern (and especially ester based) synthetics.

Porsche don't recommend 25W-50 for the 928.  That's a significant point.
They only recommend synthetics (including hydrocracked "synthetics") at
0W-40, 5W-40 and (only for Mobil 1) 5W-50.  They mandate 0W-40 where
ambient falls below -25C.  I believe that substantial advances made in
synthetic oil technology in the last 15 years are a major contributor
to their recommendations.  I am also confident that they are well aware
of their liability in making these recommendations.

Finally, Tom Robbins has a point.


-- 
Phil

Human beings were invented by water as a device of transporting itself
from one place to another.
        -- Tom Robbins (1936-- ), U.S. novelist


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Wed Mar 16 01:23:46 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:23:46 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
Message-ID: <20050316012346.6F84F49962B@viper.snap.net.nz>

> Duhhh....Whats XW 50 ?
> Dave
> 
X is any number you chose. i.e XW-50 is 0W-50 or 5W-50 or 10W-50 or 15W-50 
or 20W0-50.

Smiffy



From omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 08:31:24 2005
From: omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk (Omi Heer)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:31:24 -0000
Subject: [928uk] starting probs.
In-Reply-To: <001601c52972$7722b120$97f2193e@dan>
Message-ID: <NAEDKNPCNGFNPGAPOIFHMEPBCJAA.omi@oheer.fsnet.co.uk>

Chaps,
Good info., but is there a way of hardwiring say a quick release plug/skt
arrangement to avoid catching the cable when the door is shut.
Alternatively, fitting an IP66 plus rated socket (with lid) to the rear of
the car.

Need to brain storm this one!!!

Oheer 91 S4

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Alan Marks
Sent: 15 March 2005 15:20
To: Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] starting probs.


Kingsley - (1) Yup, that's what Dr A said (2) can't remember which was the
spare socket but I recall that there was no fuse in it. Regards, Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team" <kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] starting probs.


> Alan
>
> This sounds interesting - are you saying that just changing the fusue on
the
> board for a different one will keep the lighter alive with the ignition
off?
> In which case - what does it have to be swapped for?
>
> Kingsley
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> > Behalf Of Alan Marks
> > Sent: 15 March 2005 12:52
> > To: omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] starting probs.
> >
> >
> > Actually, guys, there's an easier way. Dr Anderson swapped the
> > cigar lighter
> > fuse connection for a spar/redundant other on the board and thus
> > I can plug
> > a solar trickle charger in to my cigar lighter socket even when
> > car switched
> > off. If anyone out there is experiencing cold start difficulties,
> > don't use
> > the car for very short journeys. If you have to, then go further
> > in order to
> > at least achieve half operating temperature before switching off.
> > Should be
> > less of a problem now that we are moving towards Spring but make a note
to
> > get the injectors checked later on; Dr A suspects a sticky one of
> > these can
> > make cold starts difficult.
> >
> > Alan 1990 S4 auto
>
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 07:25:05 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:25:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine & Gearbox model numbers
Message-ID: <98697a4305031523253555b448@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone send me a link to the 928uk page where the build numbers
and years are listed, I can't seem to find it on the new site.

Many thanks

Paul
87 S4 Manual


From Dk928 at aol.com  Wed Mar 16 09:22:38 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:22:38 EST
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
Message-ID: <f7.4c5ef2a6.2f6954de@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 16/03/05 01:32:11 GMT Standard Time,  smiffypr at snap.net.nz 
writes:

X is any  number you chose


 
Thanks Smiffy
Bet I wasn't the only muppet wondering what XW 40 multigrade  was  :o)
(Be honest now guys)
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From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 09:25:40 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:25:40 -0000
Subject: [928uk] FLEX PLATE
Message-ID: <008101c52a0a$1eaa6450$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Thanks Joe,Steve,Kal & John

For your advice on this one. John it sounds hopeful that this may be slightly easier if as you say the exhaust doesn't need
to be dropped on a non cat car. I believe my 88 doesn't have a cat!
Just have to work out a way to get easily and safely under the car now.
Are these pinch bolts easily obtainable from OPC or anywhere else?

Thanks again,

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From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 09:36:43 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:36:43 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Oil Debate
References: <200503152302.j2FN2fHT002808@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <00e401c52a0b$aa124ca0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hi Phil,
That puts me slightly more at ease.
So you would say that running with Mobil1 0W40 would be perfectly acceptable
and shouldn't
cause any problems in the long run?

Cheers,
Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Chadwick" <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au>
To: "Andy Brown" <andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Oil Debate


> Andy Brown wrote:
> >
> > I know I am now completely lost.
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> It's worth mentioning that Bruce Buchan's comments were published
> on Landshark as a result of some "animated debate" down under.
>
> I will say that Bruce has some devoted followers, and I do not
> doubt his sincerity for a minute.
>
> However I find Bruce's arguments largely anecdotal.  They certainly
> don't go any where near the objectivity that Dough Hillary achieved
> by conducting used oil analyses in his 928 over a period of two years,
> and publishing the data for all to see.  Doug showed that a Mobil
> Delvac 1 5W-40 (25% ester based) synthetic in his 928, in a HOT part
> of Austraila, delevered VIRTUALLY ZERO engine wear (measured by metal
> particle counts) over a 12 month period.
>
> It may be that Bruce's "Authorised Dealer 25w-50 oil" could deliver
> similar results.  But we have no objective evidence....  It might also
> be that much of Bruce's anecdotal evidence was collected prior to the
> advent of the modern (and especially ester based) synthetics.
>
> Porsche don't recommend 25W-50 for the 928.  That's a significant point.
> They only recommend synthetics (including hydrocracked "synthetics") at
> 0W-40, 5W-40 and (only for Mobil 1) 5W-50.  They mandate 0W-40 where
> ambient falls below -25C.  I believe that substantial advances made in
> synthetic oil technology in the last 15 years are a major contributor
> to their recommendations.  I am also confident that they are well aware
> of their liability in making these recommendations.
>
> Finally, Tom Robbins has a point.
>
>
> --
> Phil
>
> Human beings were invented by water as a device of transporting itself
> from one place to another.
>         -- Tom Robbins (1936-- ), U.S. novelist



From paul at paullacey.com  Wed Mar 16 09:46:07 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:46:07 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil
In-Reply-To: <f7.4c5ef2a6.2f6954de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAArRr+SMto1kCwr8BUQIEB4gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Ummm........ Yes you were
 
;-)
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com
Sent: 16 March 2005 09:23
To: smiffypr at snap.net.nz; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Drive Shaft Question/Oil



In a message dated 16/03/05 01:32:11 GMT Standard Time,
smiffypr at snap.net.nz writes:

X is any number you chose

Thanks Smiffy
Bet I wasn't the only muppet wondering what XW 40 multigrade was  :o)
(Be honest now guys)
D

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From daran_clarke at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 16 13:37:28 2005
From: daran_clarke at hotmail.com (Daran Clarke)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:37:28 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Cambelt Service/Water Pump Service
Message-ID: <BAY101-F24CBF29EDFE34496854136FA480@phx.gbl>

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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 13:52:23 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:52:23 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Cambelt Service/Water Pump Service
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F24CBF29EDFE34496854136FA480@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-F24CBF29EDFE34496854136FA480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <98697a4305031605521d0080c3@mail.gmail.com>

Be aware that there is more to changing the belt and water pump, than
just replacing them. There many other components that need to be
refurbished or replaced (tensioner, rollers, sprockets etc) depending
on their condition, which you cannot tell until the front is stripped
of the engine. There are also other jobs that it is sensible to do at
the same time, thermostat seal replace for instance. Also check
whether the 1000 mile tension check is included in the quote.

Alternatively if you want to be absolutely sure the job is done
properly, do it yourself - there is plenty of support online.

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:37:28 +0000, Daran Clarke
<daran_clarke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Everyone,
> 
> Does anyone know what I should be paying for a cambelt change and a water
> pump replacement? I'm not sure if my usual technician knows what he is
> talking about.
> 
> Thanks everyone!
> Kind Regards, 
>  
> Daran Clarke 
> 
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>  
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From jason_x at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 16 15:37:48 2005
From: jason_x at ntlworld.com (Jason)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:37:48 -0000
Subject: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8D5@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <20050316153746.ZJIK769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>

It does also mention the need to have closed valves on the deactivated
cylinders so there's no power lost pumping air through the system.

Ciao,

Jason X

-----Original Message-----
From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com] 
Sent: 15 March 2005 17:28
To: Jason
Subject: RE: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads

That's an interesting article Jason. Especially the 'box' talking about V8
vs. V6 balance in shutdown mode - it says it takes 2 revolutions of the
crank (720 degrees) to fire all the cylinders (8) giving a 90 degree offset
between cylinder firings.

For 4-cyl mode (on a V8 engine) that means each firing is 180 degrees
offset. Still balanced. But it describes for a V6 firing on 3 cyls:

"The catch is that you have now increased the harmonic vibrations as the
rpms increase"

and implies this is why cylinder shutdown is only used on V8s and not on V6s
(except Honda have developed a 'shutdown' V6?? - maybe that has balance
shafts?). So does that mean a V8 running in V4 mode is in primary balance
and immune to harmonic vibrations too? We'll have to invite a V8 engine
development engineer onto the list ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Jason
Sent: 15 March 2005 13:42
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: FW: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil)
Leads


Not too sure if this was posted before but it details the new V8 engine out
in the states that deactivates 4 cylinders on demand to reduce fuel
consumption. 

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html

All the best,

Jason X





-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of John Speake
Sent: 14 March 2005 20:47
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] TT Failure due to 4 cylinder mode was HT (coil) Leads



> Thanks John - I'll have to see if I can track down that book (hopefully
easier to find/cheaper than "Project 928"!). Interesting that each V4 ran
smoothly. Kind of suggests that V4 mode shouldn't destroy your TT.
>>>>>>>>>
Hi Scott,
Don't forget this 4 cylinder mode was only used at low engine loads, so less
danger of TT damage...

Regards

John

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From jason_x at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 16 16:17:42 2005
From: jason_x at ntlworld.com (Jason)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion
Message-ID: <20050316161742.RRKT1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>


Hi Guys,

Found this on eBay, so figured it was worth looking at even if its just for
a laugh.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10398&item=45347073
66&rd=1


Bye,

Jason X



From kal at funkychimp.com  Wed Mar 16 16:37:18 2005
From: kal at funkychimp.com (kal)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:37:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion
In-Reply-To: <20050316161742.RRKT1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>
Message-ID: <002801c52a46$6ba5c330$1001a8c0@lazylobs>

Hhhmmmm snake oil for motorists

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Jason
Sent: 16 March 2005 16:18
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion



Hi Guys,

Found this on eBay, so figured it was worth looking at even if its just for
a laugh.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10398&item=45347073
66&rd=1


Bye,

Jason X

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From jason_x at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 16 16:52:50 2005
From: jason_x at ntlworld.com (Jason)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:52:50 -0000
Subject: FW: [928uk] Another magic potion
Message-ID: <20050316165251.DYAK1352.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>

The old link doesn't seem to be working, so here's a new one.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10408&item=45351755
66&rd=1

Jason X



-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Jason
Sent: 16 March 2005 16:18
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion


Hi Guys,

Found this on eBay, so figured it was worth looking at even if its just for
a laugh.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10398&item=45347073
66&rd=1


Bye,

Jason X

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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 17:36:43 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:36:43 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion
In-Reply-To: <20050316161742.RRKT1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>
References: <20050316161742.RRKT1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>
Message-ID: <98697a430503160936300884c6@mail.gmail.com>

If you check the feedback he has received you will see numerous
comments that engines run quieter, smoke less, etc. Compression
restorers do work (although I've no idea how, or for how long) and
this one seems to have several satisfied users.

I would have tried it on my brother's Escort, if only to help him sell it!

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0000, Jason <jason_x at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Found this on eBay, so figured it was worth looking at even if its just for
> a laugh.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10398&item=45347073
> 66&rd=1
> 
> Bye,
> 
> Jason X
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jason_x at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 16 17:37:29 2005
From: jason_x at ntlworld.com (Jason)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:37:29 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion
In-Reply-To: <002d01c52a4a$41c87590$1001a8c0@lazylobs>
Message-ID: <20050316173729.LZKS1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>

D'OH!  And I was hoping that my increasing resemblance to Homer Simpson
would be confined to the physical. Ummm... ebay.

Jason X


-----Original Message-----
From: kal [mailto:kal at funkychimp.com] 
Sent: 16 March 2005 17:05
To: 'Jason'
Subject: RE: [928uk] Another magic potion

No what's happening is that the text is wrapping, it depends on your
settings but in your email options you'll have an option to wrap text after
so many characters, you need to increase it cause it's wrapping the ebay URL
and breaking the link, 66&rd=1 is missing from the end of the link





From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 17:51:27 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:51:27 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion
In-Reply-To: <20050316161742.RRKT1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>
References: <20050316161742.RRKT1187.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>
Message-ID: <98697a430503160951f980a5@mail.gmail.com>

And here is an indepent, albeit subjective, review:

http://www.atvconnection.com/atvconnection/Features/productreviews/Restore-Engine-Restorer.cfm

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0000, Jason <jason_x at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Found this on eBay, so figured it was worth looking at even if its just for
> a laugh.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10398&item=45347073
> 66&rd=1
> 
> Bye,
> 
> Jason X
> 
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From jason_x at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 16 19:22:10 2005
From: jason_x at ntlworld.com (Jason)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:22:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion
In-Reply-To: <98697a430503160936300884c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050316192210.XBIT1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>

Hi Paul,

I did check the feedback and read a few reviews online, but it was about as
clear-cut as any other performance enhancing additive I've ever come across.
Until their recent court case Eco-tek were making big claims about their
products with many positive reviews from respected publications and
customers alike. I have two of the Eco-tek valves fitted to my car by the
previous owner and having played with them many times I can say with hand on
heart that they are detrimental to performance rather than just useless.
John Speake pretty much predicted they would be when he saw them on the
engine when he swapped my MAF over.

I'm not saying 'Restore' doesn't work, I'm just asking if it could work in a
928 and is it a sound product?

One thing that makes me worried by claims such as these is 'Independent
Laboratory Tests', where they don't supply any information about the
laboratory involved, details of the test, or more information about the
results than an eye-candy bar chart. If you'd spent all that money on
independent Laboratory tests wouldn't you make more effort to give that
information to consumers, especially when its such great advertising. 

If you had a pre-purchase inspection done on a vehicle before you sold it,
would you just tell any prospective buyers that a garage had inspected it
and it's in good shape, or would you proudly show them the full report with
confidence. The nice people at Pro-Max have bought out these new chips for
928's and initial review from recent buyers have reported good results. Now
Pro-Max aren't making exaggerated claims, they're just talking about
'Improved response, driveability and torque'. I'm considering purchasing
these chips but like others on this list I'd love to see some dyno results
as I'm as susceptible to the Placebo-effect as anyone else (I'm not saying
this is happening here).

Now if the nice guys at Pro-Max would like to offer me a discount on a
chip-set I'll be only too happy to dyno my car before and after and hand
them the results to use in their advertising.

Paul, I'm sorry my response is so long and although it's a bit ranty it's
not directed at you. I'm a consumer and when I consider buying a product I
like as much information as possible, and I always question the veracity of
information supplied.

Does anyone know if this product's science is sound, if it works in an
aluminium engine, or what those with more knowledge than I think of it? At
over ?60 to test it I'm not going to buy it without some caution, but if it
does work then maybe it?s of benefit to us all. 

Thanks for listening,

Jason X 





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul [mailto:ukkid35 at gmail.com] 
Sent: 16 March 2005 17:37
To: Jason
Cc: 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] Another magic potion

If you check the feedback he has received you will see numerous
comments that engines run quieter, smoke less, etc. Compression
restorers do work (although I've no idea how, or for how long) and
this one seems to have several satisfied users.

I would have tried it on my brother's Escort, if only to help him sell it!

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0000, Jason <jason_x at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Found this on eBay, so figured it was worth looking at even if its just
for
> a laugh.
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10398&item=45347073
> 66&rd=1
> 
> Bye,
> 
> Jason X
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>



From Dk928 at aol.com  Wed Mar 16 20:52:25 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:52:25 EST
Subject: [928uk] 17" Alloys
Message-ID: <15c.4c6afebd.2f69f689@aol.com>

Hi All
 
I've got to get new tyres this year ( No I dont want to start a debate  on 
tyres thanks ) and so I thought I might upgrade to 17" wheels at the same  time.
I just wondered if anyone could give any advice on which to  choose or does 
anyone have a set of OE Cup alloys for sale?
When you upgrade to 17" do the Offsets need to remain the same (F 65mm and  R 
52mm) to clear the callipers or can they be less.
 
Dave
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From corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 21:16:51 2005
From: corinthian at edmundsn.freeserve.co.uk (Helen&Nick Edmunds)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:16:51 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting problems,
Message-ID: <002a01c52a6d$7f374e60$e473883e@your41dfy42m1v>

Just a quick note to say thanks to everyone who responded to my plea for help,i left it for a day opened the bonnet jiggled some wires and tryed again and she strarted.Nick.
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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Mar 17 00:31:08 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:31:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Oil Debate
In-Reply-To: <00e401c52a0b$aa124ca0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <200503170031.j2H0V8F2002091@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Andy Brown wrote:
>
> So you would say that running with Mobil1 0W40 would be perfectly acceptable
> and shouldn't
> cause any problems in the long run?

Hi Andy,

Well, that's the advice from Porsche.  Synthetic only.

[There are issues, previuosly discussed, in changing
over from a mineral oil.]

I'd certainly be watching the oil pressure though!
Expect and require 5 bar cold, and 5 bar at > 3000 rpm hot.
I'd worry a lot if mine dropped below 2 bar at any time.

Personally, I use 5W-40, but if I chose Mobil 1, I'd
probably go for 5W-50.


-- 
Phil

Advice is like kissing: It costs nothing and it's a pleasant thing to do.
        -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950), British playwright


From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Mar 17 00:55:37 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:55:37 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 17" Alloys
In-Reply-To: <15c.4c6afebd.2f69f689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200503170055.j2H0tcgo013270@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Dk928 at aol.com wrote:
>  
> I've got to get new tyres this year ( No I dont want to start a debate  on 
> tyres thanks ) and so I thought I might upgrade to 17" wheels at the same  time.
> I just wondered if anyone could give any advice on which to  choose or does 
> anyone have a set of OE Cup alloys for sale?
> When you upgrade to 17" do the Offsets need to remain the same (F 65mm and  R 
> 52mm) to clear the callipers or can they be less.

Hi Dave

The debates on wheels are even more ardent than tyres.

Rear offsets matter only for fit.  45 mm offset is generally fine.

On the front, reducing the magnitude of the negative scrub radius
reduces the stability of the steering and makes it more sensitive to
any difference between the front wheels (e.g. different tyre pressures,
different surfaces, etc.).  It makes the car prone to tramlining and
reduces the self-centring.

Prior to the 4-piston Brembos, up to MY 1985 (and, I think MY 1986 in
the UK) the scrub radius of a 928 is -16mm.

For the S4 (and some 1986 cars with "big brakes") scrub radius is -10.2 mm.

Scrub radius will be positive if a wheel with an offset of less than
49 mm is fitted to the front of a 928 up to MY 1985(6).

It will be positive if a wheel with an offset of less than 54.8 mm is
fitted to the front of a MY 1987(6) on.

For acceptable handling, you want to keep the scrub radius negative.


-- 
Phil

In a museum in Havana, there are two skulls of Christopher
Columbus, "one when he was a boy and one when he was a man".
        -- Mark Twain


From jason_x at ntlworld.com  Thu Mar 17 01:34:08 2005
From: jason_x at ntlworld.com (Jason)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:34:08 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Another magic potion
In-Reply-To: <ABEJIAJMJPICMNPKCEMHCEEMCHAA.ken.trueman4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20050317013408.FEXF1279.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@p4>

Thank you very much,

Jason X



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Trueman [mailto:ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com] 
Sent: 16 March 2005 20:19
To: Jason
Subject: RE: [928uk] Another magic potion

Jason
Just thought I'd write to say your mail is one of the most balanced
documents I've read recently.
cheers
Ken '93 GTS



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Mar 17 11:35:03 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:35:03 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting problems,
References: <002a01c52a6d$7f374e60$e473883e@your41dfy42m1v>
Message-ID: <013e01c52ae5$bcf9ebe0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi Nick.

Glad to hear that your problem is resolved.

However, re <left it for a day opened the bonnet jiggled some wires and
tryed again and she strarted>.  Unless you want to make this part of
your normal starting procedure you ought to find out what the problem
was - before it gets bigger or lets you down when it is raining and you
are far from home :^(

The 95 GTS is a superb car, but it can go wrong occasionally.

George
95 GTS Auto

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Helen&Nick Edmunds
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 16 March 2005 21:16
  Subject: [928uk] Starting problems,


  Just a quick note to say thanks to everyone who responded to my plea
for help,i left it for a day opened the bonnet jiggled some wires and
tryed again and she strarted.Nick.


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------


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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Mar 17 11:08:14 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:08:14 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 17" Alloys
References: <200503170055.j2H0tcgo013270@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <013c01c52ae5$bad92ec0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Phil wrote <It will be positive if a wheel with an offset of less than
54.8 mm is fitted to the front of a MY 1987(6) on.  For acceptable
handling, you want to keep the scrub radius negative.>

Interesting.  The offset on the OE Cup 2 wheels on the front of my GTS
is 65.  The offset on the "Replica 993" wheels which I bought for
occasional use is 52.

Apart from the offset (and the weight) the physical dimensions of both
wheels are identical.  But given the above info, one will give the
correct (negative) scrub radius and the other will give a positive scrub
radius :^(

I'll have to do some tests when I get a chance :^)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Chadwick
  To: Dk928 at aol.com
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 17 March 2005 00:55
  Subject: Re: [928uk] 17" Alloys


  Dk928 at aol.com wrote:
  >
  > I've got to get new tyres this year ( No I dont want to start a
debate  on
  > tyres thanks ) and so I thought I might upgrade to 17" wheels at the
same  time.
  > I just wondered if anyone could give any advice on which to  choose
or does
  > anyone have a set of OE Cup alloys for sale?
  > When you upgrade to 17" do the Offsets need to remain the same (F
65mm and  R
  > 52mm) to clear the callipers or can they be less.

  Hi Dave

  The debates on wheels are even more ardent than tyres.

  Rear offsets matter only for fit.  45 mm offset is generally fine.

  On the front, reducing the magnitude of the negative scrub radius
  reduces the stability of the steering and makes it more sensitive to
  any difference between the front wheels (e.g. different tyre
pressures,
  different surfaces, etc.).  It makes the car prone to tramlining and
  reduces the self-centring.

  Prior to the 4-piston Brembos, up to MY 1985 (and, I think MY 1986 in
  the UK) the scrub radius of a 928 is -16mm.

  For the S4 (and some 1986 cars with "big brakes") scrub radius
is -10.2 mm.

  Scrub radius will be positive if a wheel with an offset of less than
  49 mm is fitted to the front of a 928 up to MY 1985(6).

  It will be positive if a wheel with an offset of less than 54.8 mm is
  fitted to the front of a MY 1987(6) on.

  For acceptable handling, you want to keep the scrub radius negative.


  -- 
  Phil

  In a museum in Havana, there are two skulls of Christopher
  Columbus, "one when he was a boy and one when he was a man".
          -- Mark Twain
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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Mar 17 11:00:24 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:00:24 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
References: <60.515bfb8a.2f66b9b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <013b01c52ae5$b9ac95a0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi Dave.

Re <it appears that the compartment lid has made connection on the
positive terminal>

I discovered this same thing with my GTS a number of years ago.  The
battery was the proper Porsche one and was correctly seated and locked
down in the compartment and was not making contact with the lid.  But,
there were still the tell-tale signs of arcing on the underside of the
lid and I believe the problem had occurred with a previous battery.

When I replaced the battery (it had got old and past it's best) I noted
the date on the old one and calculated that it had been installed when
the car was less than 2 years old - further evidence that a previous
battery had failed quite early in its life.

Further to Donald's mail on the subject, neither the Porsche battery in
the car when I bought it nor the new Porsche battery that I bought had
any covers for the terminals.  Perhaps they were available as an extra
part but not to my knowledge.  I made some "hard" covers out of some
small transparent acrylic boxes and also fitted a thin rubber sheet over
the entire top of the battery - belt & braces :^)

Re <would be a nasty place to have rogue sparks what with acid vapour
and fuel vapour round and about.>

On the Porsche battery the lids to the cells screw down to a gas-tight
fit and there is a small plastic spigot on one end of the battery which
allows the battery to "breath".  Coincidentally there is also a small
hole in the side of the battery compartment which is right next to this
when the battery is installed.

I believe a short length of pipe should be connected to the spigot & run
out of the battery compartment so any "breathing" is not into the
compartment itself.  This pipe was not present when I bought the car -
but it is now :^)

My Carcoon is connected via a cigar-lighter-type power socket in the
trunk which can then also be used to power other electrical equipment.
The wires for this are bolted directly onto the battery terminal clamps.
Although these wires are rated at 27A they would light up like a bulb if
anything shorted out so I have installed a 16A fuse in the circuit as
close to the battery positive terminal as possible.  It is a
glass-tube-type fuse so if it does blow there shouldn't be any sparks in
the battery compartment !!

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dk928 at aol.com
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 14 March 2005 09:56
  Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


  Hi All
  There seem to be a few posts on battery problems....just a thought
which might help....
  I came across something a bit suspect when I was fitting the Carcoon
permanent leads...
  At some point my cars had a replacement battery fitted which is
possibly a touch taller than the original and it appears that the
compartment lid has made connection on the positive terminal, and
possibly across both terminals. I noticed this because the paint on the
underside of the lid, directly above the positive post, was was burnt
off. The weight of the spare wheel resting on the lid might also have
been a contributary factor.
   I've fixed a thin rubber insulation strip on the underneath of the
lid above the battery terminals to stop any connection and battery drain
( I hope ).
  Come to think of it this battery compartment would be a nasty place to
have rogue sparks what with acid vapour and fuel vapour round and about.

  Dave


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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Mar 17 11:20:59 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:20:59 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 17" Alloys
References: <15c.4c6afebd.2f69f689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <013d01c52ae5$bc074e80$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi Dave.

Re <so I thought I might upgrade to 17" wheels at the same time.>

Good move :^)

Re <if anyone could give any advice on which to choose or does anyone
have a set of OE Cup alloys for sale?>

You could buy new from Porsche but you would need to take out a second
mortgage!!

You could go for aftermarket but you will be hard pushed to find wheels
with the correct offsets - although some variance can be accommodated by
using spacers.  Also, most aftermarket wheels will be heavier.

Second hand or refurbished OE wheels would be your best bet.  There are
several companies that do refurbished Porsche wheels (Jasmine Motorsport
and PWS being two of them).  But again, be aware of offsets.  I
understand that in any one model year Porsche fitted "the same" wheels
to different models (944, 911, 928 etc) but the offsets were different.

Re <When you upgrade to 17" do the Offsets need to remain the same to
clear the callipers or can they be less.>

Why go for less ?? Keep them the same and you will have enough room to
fit those "Big Reds" that you have always wanted :^)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dk928 at aol.com
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 16 March 2005 20:52
  Subject: [928uk] 17" Alloys


  Hi All

  I've got to get new tyres this year ( No I dont want to start a debate
on tyres thanks ) and so I thought I might upgrade to 17" wheels at the
same time.
  I just wondered if anyone could give any advice on which to choose or
does anyone have a set of OE Cup alloys for sale?
  When you upgrade to 17" do the Offsets need to remain the same (F 65mm
and R 52mm) to clear the callipers or can they be less.

  Dave


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From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Mar 17 11:51:13 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:51:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928  manual for sale
References: <002a01c52a6d$7f374e60$e473883e@your41dfy42m1v>
	<013e01c52ae5$bcf9ebe0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000801c52ae7$9eb80840$410ed4ac@aoldsl.net>

There's an '82 S manual for sale in the "Stop Press" secion of 911&Porxche
world.

Full service history ?5k. 07887755750 (Dorset)

John



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Mar 17 14:19:24 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:19:24 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <002d01c52958$01b72d90$1001a8c0@lazylobs>
	<002e01c5295a$911e88a0$97667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <00a601c52afd$0499adc0$02000003@oemcomputer>

The message should read "TOOTHED BELT" on the left, then the picture in
the centre, then "SERVICE" on the right.

I have seen this on my own 928 - the picture is good fun with the little
gear wheels rotating and the belt moving but it may end up very un-fun
if the belt breaks.  Amongst the list of warnings which can appear this
is rated as Priority 2 = "The fault in question must be rectified as
soon as possible".

As Smiffy says, the warning is only telling you that the tension is too
slack (it is activated by a contact on the tension roller assembly).
There is nothing to tell you that the belt is in good condition or
otherwise - for this you just need to follow the Porsche recommendation
to change the belt every 5 years or 60,000 miles (or sooner) and use a
GENUINE PORSCHE replacement belt.

The belt tension should be checked after 2,000 - 2,500 miles (they can
stretch a little bit).  A cautious person would also drive their 928
"conservatively" during this "running-in period" - if you are unlucky
enough to get a defective belt it should become apparent during this
period.  After that - foot to the floor :^)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul R Smith
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 15 March 2005 12:28
  Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning


  As far as I know there is only one way that the digi-dash computer
knows anything about
  the belt, and that is the insufficient tension contact built into the
tensioner. I can
  only assume that "toothead" was either miss-read or mistyped.

  Smiffy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kal" <kal at 64525.com>
  To: "'Paul R Smith'" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:10 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning


  Well I thought that at first smiffy but his error was
'toothhead-Service'
  and when my belt needed tensioning a few hundred miles after a new one
was
  fitted it said 'toothbelt-service'......... So I'm thinking there must
be a
  difference between the two error messages (apart from the actual
spelling)


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From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Mar 17 14:43:09 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:43:09 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
References: <002d01c52958$01b72d90$1001a8c0@lazylobs><002e01c5295a$911e88a0$97667cca@computername>
	<00a601c52afd$0499adc0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003101c52aff$a36ec5a0$d574d7ac@aoldsl.net>

> As Smiffy says, the warning is only telling you that the tension is too
> slack (it is activated by a contact on the tension roller assembly).
> There is nothing to tell you that the belt is in good condition or
> otherwise - for this you just need to follow the Porsche recommendation
> to change the belt every 5 years or 60,000 miles (or sooner) and use a
> GENUINE PORSCHE replacement belt.
>
> The belt tension should be checked after 2,000 - 2,500 miles (they can
> stretch a little bit).  A cautious person would also drive their 928
> "conservatively" during this "running-in period" - if you are unlucky
> enough to get a defective belt it should become apparent during this
> period.  After that - foot to the floor :^)
>>>>>>>>>>
Hi,
I agree 100%

Be careful that the warning light contact system is a poor design. Don't
reply on it 100%. NEVER tighten the belt to "put the light out".

Belt tension should be checked with a 928 cambelt tool. At the same time,
visually inspect the belt for any damage. Always change at the appropriate
mileage /time elapsed.

John



From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 17 15:51:32 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:51:32 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 CamBelt Replacement Warning
In-Reply-To: <003101c52aff$a36ec5a0$d574d7ac@aoldsl.net>
References: <002d01c52958$01b72d90$1001a8c0@lazylobs>
	<002e01c5295a$911e88a0$97667cca@computername>
	<00a601c52afd$0499adc0$02000003@oemcomputer>
	<003101c52aff$a36ec5a0$d574d7ac@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <98697a4305031707517c997115@mail.gmail.com>

Two years ago I had my belt retensioned by a Porsche "specialist"
after the warning light came on. In fact I had been driving the car
for some time after the intial warning light came on; I found that if
I kept the revs below 4k the warning would not appear, as soon as the
revs went over 4k the warning came on again. Although this was
undoubtedly a form of Russian Roulette, this didn't in itself do the
engine any damage.

However, it is my belief now that the retension was not done
correctly, and instead the "specialist" - now defunct, over tensioned
the belt, and failed to check the oil level in the tensioner. This
subsequently casued the belt to fail six months later totally without
warning, and I then spent four months repairing the engine (on the
street in the rain and snow) with more than a little help from my 928
buddies.

If I had learnt how to check belt tension, and replace the belt if
neccessary (a weekend job at most if you have all the parts), I would
have saved myself a huge headache, not to mention 4 months of weekends
in the freezing cold and a large bill for parts.

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:43:09 -0000, John Speake <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote:
> > As Smiffy says, the warning is only telling you that the tension is too
> > slack (it is activated by a contact on the tension roller assembly).
> > There is nothing to tell you that the belt is in good condition or
> > otherwise - for this you just need to follow the Porsche recommendation
> > to change the belt every 5 years or 60,000 miles (or sooner) and use a
> > GENUINE PORSCHE replacement belt.
> >
> > The belt tension should be checked after 2,000 - 2,500 miles (they can
> > stretch a little bit).  A cautious person would also drive their 928
> > "conservatively" during this "running-in period" - if you are unlucky
> > enough to get a defective belt it should become apparent during this
> > period.  After that - foot to the floor :^)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> Hi,
> I agree 100%
> 
> Be careful that the warning light contact system is a poor design. Don't
> reply on it 100%. NEVER tighten the belt to "put the light out".
> 
> Belt tension should be checked with a 928 cambelt tool. At the same time,
> visually inspect the belt for any damage. Always change at the appropriate
> mileage /time elapsed.
> 
> John
> 
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From angusf at mac.com  Thu Mar 17 17:53:40 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:53:40 -0000
Subject: [928uk] traction control
Message-ID: <c5jr51Jv0yVJ.r4t5hDy1@smtp.mac.com>

Anyone have chapter and verse on 928's and traction control by model year. . .



From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Thu Mar 17 18:11:07 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:11:07 -0000
Subject: [928uk] traction control
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8EA@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

Yes. None of them have it ('78 thru '95).

You can't really count LSDs as 'traction control' in the modern sense as traction control systems entail backing off the engine power wrt your right foot setting in an electronic effort to prevent wheelspin and/or loss of directional stability of the car.

All 928's (even with later electronic LSD) are capable of pulling tyre-eating wheelspins and hanging their rear ends out on corners. Sometimes the rear ends come around even further... ouch.

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Angus Fox

Anyone have chapter and verse on 928's and traction control by model year. . .

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From mark.armstrong at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 17 19:42:48 2005
From: mark.armstrong at dsl.pipex.com (Mark Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:42:48 -0000
Subject: [928uk] traction control
In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8EA@ukex04.uk.nds.com>
Message-ID: <20050317194203.9519AE0000B1@blaster.systems.pipex.net>

Angus
Think you will also find many modern one also use the brake system to back
off the power to spinning wheel, plus they now have yaw control systems to
stop you losing it by intelligently applying the brakes on certain wheels on
corners as a biker too that scares me. My BMW 3 has this method plus the
Engine control, (PITA in the snow when you live on a hill mind)

The Porsche 928 PSD was just a load of friction plates, like motorbike
clutch on the Dif operated by the PSD hydraulics outside to stop it dumping
the power all to one wheel as dif will do. Think its PSD computer was simply
measuring the rear wheel speed difference measurement against from the ABS
sensors Front one which will not be skidding (hopefully). 

According to the 89 service info tech book for the GT it can lock up to 40%
of the power to a wheel, presumably the ECU was designed to gradually
increase the dif lock dependant on the degree of difference seen in the
wheel speeds?

The only power retard on the engine timing is on the automatic band brake
one (so it says) to stop auto owners shredding the box.

Mine doesn't have this, so it happily makes a mess on a couple of local
corners with it tyres if it gets too much power.
   
Mark A
87 S4 Manual no PSD.


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Walker, Scott
Sent: 17 March 2005 18:11
To: Angus Fox; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] traction control

Yes. None of them have it ('78 thru '95).

You can't really count LSDs as 'traction control' in the modern sense as
traction control systems entail backing off the engine power wrt your right
foot setting in an electronic effort to prevent wheelspin and/or loss of
directional stability of the car.


All 928's (even with later electronic LSD) are capable of pulling
tyre-eating wheelspins and hanging their rear ends out on corners. Sometimes
the rear ends come around even further... ouch.

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Angus Fox

Anyone have chapter and verse on 928's and traction control by model year. .
.





From cammackmartin at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 17 19:48:28 2005
From: cammackmartin at hotmail.com (rich martin)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:48:28 -0000
Subject: [928uk] air con again
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV9EF1172001BBC96041E66A9490@phx.gbl>

My air con has an intermittent problem. Most of the time it's stuck on hot despite the setting on 18 degrees. Then, out of the blue it starts working and you can hear the automatic adjuster working behind the dash. Could it be a relay a the fuse level or the thermostat or the unit itself?

Rich
Manual S4
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Thu Mar 17 19:53:45 2005
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:53:45 -0000
Subject: [928uk] traction control
Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE61A8EC@ukex04.uk.nds.com>

"The Porsche 928 PSD was just a load of friction plates.... Think its PSD computer was simply measuring the rear wheel speed difference measurement against from the ABS
sensors Front one which will not be skidding (hopefully)."

The PSD also has an accelerometer (under passenger seat) to allow it to operate at speed under cornering. Good for track use to allow you to get max. power down (not spinning inside wheel) when exiting a corner... not so good on the road when applying the power exiting a greasy, wet roundabout (both rear wheels easily lose grip)!

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Mark Armstrong

Angus
Think you will also find many modern one also use the brake system to back
off the power to spinning wheel, plus they now have yaw control systems to
stop you losing it by intelligently applying the brakes on certain wheels on
corners as a biker too that scares me. My BMW 3 has this method plus the
Engine control, (PITA in the snow when you live on a hill mind)
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From ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 17 20:22:51 2005
From: ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com (brendan o'callaghan)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:22:51 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Insurance
Message-ID: <BAY102-F18E90AACE647F3A55EF49BC0490@phx.gbl>

Apologise in advance for another boring e-mail on this subject. Can't find 
the list of insurers people tend to refer to that was on  928.org.uk...?

If anyone is paying less than ?250 for a limited mileage(2000) garaged, S4 
please let me know. I was paying about ?200 last year and now Heritage want 
?300!

Thanks Brendan




From porschespares at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar 17 20:28:10 2005
From: porschespares at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Anderson)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:28:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] trip computer?
Message-ID: <NIBBKENAOLIBJFOIEHLFOELJDAAA.porschespares@blueyonder.co.uk>

I have just been reading an early press brocure for the early 928/928s and
notice that the car they used for photos has a nice trip computer in the
centre console.

has anyone ever seenor own a car a car with this fitted?

The car is left hand drive so maybe not available for uk cars.

Regards,

Paul



From tassos at book2eat.com  Thu Mar 17 20:35:55 2005
From: tassos at book2eat.com (Tassos Stassinopoulos)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:35:55 -0000
Subject: [928uk] trip computer?
References: <NIBBKENAOLIBJFOIEHLFOELJDAAA.porschespares@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <020501c52b30$eb251df0$0b00a8c0@tassos2>

sound interesting. any possibility of scanning the picture so we can see it?

Thanks,

T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Anderson" <porschespares at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "928uk at 928.Org.Uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: [928uk] trip computer?


>I have just been reading an early press brocure for the early 928/928s and
> notice that the car they used for photos has a nice trip computer in the
> centre console.
> 
> has anyone ever seenor own a car a car with this fitted?
> 
> The car is left hand drive so maybe not available for uk cars.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
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From ben at butcher114.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Mar 17 21:11:54 2005
From: ben at butcher114.freeserve.co.uk (Ben Butcher)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:11:54 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Brake up-grade
Message-ID: <000601c52b35$f51f08c0$156b1f51@3bdserver>

All

I need to up-grade my brakes from S2 to S4 spec.

I have phoned various Porsche agents around the UK and was quoted on average ?1800 (inc. VAT) for a set of late S4 calipers.

However it appears the exact same parts are available on-line for just ?1100 (inc. VAT) so unless I get hit for ?700+ import TAX I could make a substantial saving ! 

The part numbers given on-line were :  

928 351 421 03
928 351 422 03
928 352 421 02
928 352 422 02

I would be grateful if some one could confirm that these parts are indeed late European specification S4 Calipers.

Thanks in advance.

Ben Butcher
1984 S2 Manual.

PS. I have already bought the discs, pads and adapters.

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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Mar 17 21:46:04 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:46:04 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 17" Alloys
In-Reply-To: <013c01c52ae5$bad92ec0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200503172146.j2HLk4vn000621@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

George Layton wrote:
> 
> Interesting.  The offset on the OE Cup 2 wheels on the front of my GTS
> is 65.  The offset on the "Replica 993" wheels which I bought for
> occasional use is 52.
> 
> Apart from the offset (and the weight) the physical dimensions of both
> wheels are identical.  But given the above info, one will give the
> correct (negative) scrub radius and the other will give a positive scrub
> radius :^(
> 
> I'll have to do some tests when I get a chance :^)

Hi George,

It would be good to get that sort of feedback.

Tyres may make a small difference.

However, I'd expect the "Replica 993" wheels on the GTS to be prone
to tram-lining, and wander, especially at speed (which should be reasonably
obvious, since high speed stability is one of the 928s great strengths).


-- 
Phil

There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
of it is half of them are true.
        -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)


From aedawn.cox at tesco.net  Thu Mar 17 22:06:16 2005
From: aedawn.cox at tesco.net (Dawn Cox)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:06:16 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Cambelt Service/Water Pump Service
References: <BAY101-F24CBF29EDFE34496854136FA480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01c101c52b3d$c8790160$0101a8c0@hppav>

Daran,

I need to get mine done so I have quotes for a cambelt and water pump change.

The high score goes to my local OPC in Tonbridge who quoted ?1085.70 including VAT with warning that other parts may need to be changed when it was stripped

Camtune quoted Water pump     ?178 plus VAT
                        Cambelt            ?98+ VAT
                        Labour                ?348 + VAT
                        New tensioner roller (if required) ?70 - fitted for free
                        Total  (including tensioner)  ?694 + VAT ( or ?815.45 inc VAT)

JZ Machtech quoted  ?630.27 + VAT (or 740.57 inc VAT) - no tensioner mentioned


I live in Kent so if any of the gurus out there have any thoughts on any other places to try please let me know.

I would do the job myself ideally, but I don't trust myself with so many camshafts and valves.  I changed the timing chain on an imp once - it took me ages to get it going again and the technology - though very good - is not in the same league as the 928 :)

Stuart
88 S4 manual


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daran Clarke 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:37 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Cambelt Service/Water Pump Service


  Dear Everyone,

  Does anyone know what I should be paying for a cambelt change and a water pump replacement? I'm not sure if my usual technician knows