From niels.seaton at virgin.net  Thu Dec  1 00:04:54 2005
From: niels.seaton at virgin.net (Niels Seaton)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:04:54 -0000
Subject: [928uk] LOTUS
References: <20051130041329.D4836732557@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <004001c5f60a$dc7f6710$0400a8c0@main>

hi smiffy
interesting one
as well as my '78 928 being very slowly put right
and morally supported by dave morgan
i am going through the same process with a red '85 excel

cars bought within a few months of each other for relative song
the difference between them is substantial

lotus light plastic goes around corners and roundabouts as if on rails
no slide no rolling - like driving a toy
928 much more a real car
and when the lotus is running of steam the 928 obviously just powers on
car for car no comparison but the lotus can be fun in its own way

there was a guy selling one of each recently on ebay as whole cars

i will find more information from my local garage accredited by lotus 
owners' club
as he has connections going back thirty years or more
and will let you know
if you send me your mate's email i will contact him directly

lotus themselves occasionally offload large numbers of new parts as stock 
clearance
at reduced prices - often much less than half price
you can buy  individual items but a few of the main lotus stockists
tend to buy up large numbers of these and then sell at list

tell your mate to join club lotus as a starter
cheap at ?25

as an aside
your technical comments on 928 queries are always appreciated
and filed away for future reference
keep it coming
and have a good new year

niels




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:13 AM
Subject: [928uk] LOTUS


> Someone I know out here (New Zealand) has just bought a Lotus Excel, and
> he asked me if I know anyone who knows anything about them or any sources
> for parts. Anyone?
>
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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Thu Dec  1 05:46:38 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:46:38 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Width Restriction
In-Reply-To: <98697a430511300239s1a4597ddp6a0da56c725f3ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIEKKDAAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Dunno about Lionel road but i've been through the on opposite the entrance
to Lionel road where Kew road goes over the overpass onto the Great West
Road a lot of times.

Jon
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Paul
  Sent: 30 November 2005 23:39
  To: 928UK
  Subject: [928uk] Width Restriction


  There is a width restriction at the south entrance to Lionel Road on the
west side of Gunnersbury Park at the end of the M4.

  http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.494370,-0.294013&spn=0.018149,0.028783
&hl=en

  I don't remember using this route for several years, but although I drove
through as far as my wing mirrors, at that point I decided to reverse back
out. The restriction sign stated 6' 6" max. Has onyone else had problems
with width restrctions?

  Paul
  87 S4 Manual
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From jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 08:42:33 2005
From: jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk (jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:42:33 +0000
Subject: [928uk] classic car club discovery channel
Message-ID: <43858E3C00028F2D@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

Anybody see the show on tues i would be interested in your comments if you
did regards jeff selwood

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From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Thu Dec  1 08:50:26 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:50:26 +0000
Subject: [928uk] classic car club discovery channel
In-Reply-To: <43858E3C00028F2D@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <OF78BA0095.CC03543B-ON802570CA.0030499C-802570CA.00309042@rockwellcollins.com>

"Anybody see the show on tues i would be interested in your comments if 
you
did regards jeff selwood"

Had it on Sky+ and watched it last night. The car looked great and I 
thought they presented and spoke about it very well, another positive 
'advert' for the 928.
Cheers
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From nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 08:57:41 2005
From: nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk (Nick tinworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:57:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] 928 Spotted
Message-ID: <20051201085741.47770.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

White 928 S4 spotted in village between Gosfield and Little Yeldham last night about 5:00pm. Anyone on the list.
   
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From waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 10:12:57 2005
From: waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk (waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:12:57 +0000
Subject: [928uk] classic car club discovery channel
In-Reply-To: <43858E3C00028F2D@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <43858E3C000299DD@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

hi Jeff,
           i seen the show, thought it was top notch and what an advertisement
for anything 928, the best review i have ever seen,just wish that programme
was on terestrial tv,
p.s your  car looked the dogs wotsits even though it was a shitty day re
the weather
top notch matey.
p.s if anyone has not seen this show its repeated at some point this week
on sky discovery real time, well worth a watch a great 10 minute review/buyers
guide on 928 
regards Walt 87s4
>-- Original Message --
>Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:42:33 +0000
>From: jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk
>To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: [928uk] classic car club discovery channel
>
>
>Anybody see the show on tues i would be interested in your comments if you
>did regards jeff selwood
>
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From nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 10:16:46 2005
From: nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk (Nick tinworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:16:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
Message-ID: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Sorry to bore you all with my lastest, but other half has got bored of me talking about it.
   
  Last night i stripped the heads of my 928S 16V took quite a while but as i had never done it before i was really please with myself.
   
  The valves all look fine apart from very dirty, cleaned one up and has come out like new.
   
  The heads are now in my front room wait to be cleaned and then off to be skimmed.
   
  The valve stem oil seals are knackered, they are just falling off and ver brittle.
   
  The question i have is how do i put the new oil seals on. Any suggestions
   
  Thankyou Nick 

		
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 10:23:00 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:23:00 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Re: width restriction
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F228F83316DAAAC7A06733FB94A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-F228F83316DAAAC7A06733FB94A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <98697a430512010223wac4e6acj22fcdd055f9c0a6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nick

I've had my car for four years now, and I thought I'd been through that
restriction during that time. Maybe the steel posts have been replaced
recently, they are absolutely vertical, and have cut-outs for wing mirrors
near the top. I judged that the cut-outs were not low enough for mine to
clear them.

I rarely even slow for width restrictions, which is why I was so surprised
to find myself reversing out! The only other time I have ever decided
against driving through one was when I'd owned the car for only one minute.
I asked the guy I bought the car from in Enfield to drive it through the
width restriction at the end of his road - there seemed no point tempting
fate.

Perhaps someone might like to take on the challenge of organising a car
control type event one day, and you wife can show us all how it's done!

Cheers

Paul


On 11/30/05, dr. nag wagner <drnagwagner at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Paul
> My wife, who used to live in Lionel Road, has driven our 928S through that
> little gap several times while visiting her folks - brave or foolhardy?
> Nick
>
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 10:48:03 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:48:03 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512010248y64dd7ff7jb4017bc4a355077@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nick

Have a look at this thread and you will see a diagram of the tool you need,
as well as various tips

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=104352

Here is a pic of the tool my dad made for me, which I would have offered to
lend to you but it is now in New Zealand. Don't be tempted to try to use a
hex socket, beg borrow or steal the correct tool.

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20142.jpg

Here is a pic of a new seal and a protective sheath, I may be able to find a
few sheaths for you as I ordered far too many

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20101.jpg

I didn't bother lapping the valves in the end and have not regretted that,
there seems to be some controversy as to whether there is any value in doing
so.

Paul
87 S4 Manual

PS on the Rennlist thread I really did think they meant condoms at one
point...



On 12/1/05, Nick tinworth <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sorry to bore you all with my lastest, but other half has got bored of me
> talking about it.
>
> Last night i stripped the heads of my 928S 16V took quite a while but as i
> had never done it before i was really please with myself.
>
> The valves all look fine apart from very dirty, cleaned one up and has
> come out like new.
>
> The heads are now in my front room wait to be cleaned and then off to be
> skimmed.
>
> The valve stem oil seals are knackered, they are just falling off and ver
> brittle.
>
> The question i have is how do i put the new oil seals on. Any suggestions
>
> Thankyou Nick
>
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 11:01:37 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:01:37 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512010301j3e4ef108g5c711fd488301e9f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nick

One other question - Why are you having the heads skimmed? Are they very
badly pitted or corroded? Are they worse than these?

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20133.jpg

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20131.jpg

I didn't skim mine - no regrets.

Paul




On 12/1/05, Nick tinworth <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sorry to bore you all with my lastest, but other half has got bored of me
> talking about it.
>
> Last night i stripped the heads of my 928S 16V took quite a while but as i
> had never done it before i was really please with myself.
>
> The valves all look fine apart from very dirty, cleaned one up and has
> come out like new.
>
> The heads are now in my front room wait to be cleaned and then off to be
> skimmed.
>
> The valve stem oil seals are knackered, they are just falling off and ver
> brittle.
>
> The question i have is how do i put the new oil seals on. Any suggestions
>
> Thankyou Nick
>
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From nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 11:36:01 2005
From: nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk (Nick tinworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:36:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <98697a430512010301j3e4ef108g5c711fd488301e9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051201113601.11117.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Why did not not skim the heads, I have not cleaned mine yet so i do not know how bad they are 
   
  Cheers Nick 

Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com> wrote:
    Hi Nick
   
  One other question - Why are you having the heads skimmed? Are they very badly pitted or corroded? Are they worse than these?
   
  http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20133.jpg
 
  http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20131.jpg
   
  I didn't skim mine - no regrets.
   
  Paul
   
   
  
 
  On 12/1/05, Nick tinworth <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:     Sorry to bore you all with my lastest, but other half has got bored of me talking about it.
   
  Last night i stripped the heads of my 928S 16V took quite a while but as i had never done it before i was really please with myself.
   
  The valves all look fine apart from very dirty, cleaned one up and has come out like new.
   
  The heads are now in my front room wait to be cleaned and then off to be skimmed.
   
  The valve stem oil seals are knackered, they are just falling off and ver brittle.
   
  The question i have is how do i put the new oil seals on. Any suggestions
   
  Thankyou Nick 
    
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From christian.w at virgin.net  Thu Dec  1 11:37:02 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:37:02 -0000
Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <003601c5f66b$8cfd20e0$0202a8c0@Christian>

Just checking the timing belt tension on my S2.

1) Vibration damper is calibrated: OT I  5 I 1 I 0. I'm assuming TDC is at the vertical mark between OT and 5 (OT I 5)?
2) Viewing car from the front, when the crank position OT I 5 is reached the left and right hand cam notches are about 1 tooth out of phase, compared to the OPC manual. DOES THIS MATTER?

Any help greatly appreciated......there's a beer or three in it!

Cheers Christian
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Dec  1 10:48:11 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:48:11 +1300
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
References: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c5f66d$db957340$40667cca@computername>

Have you seen the page in the workshop manual about skimming?
If you take more than a small amount off the lower face, you need to skim the top face 
too.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick tinworth" <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress


> Sorry to bore you all with my lastest, but other half has got bored of me talking about 
> it.
>
>  Last night i stripped the heads of my 928S 16V took quite a while but as i had never 
> done it before i was really please with myself.
>
>  The valves all look fine apart from very dirty, cleaned one up and has come out like 
> new.
>
>  The heads are now in my front room wait to be cleaned and then off to be skimmed.
>
>  The valve stem oil seals are knackered, they are just falling off and ver brittle.
>
>  The question i have is how do i put the new oil seals on. Any suggestions
>
>  Thankyou Nick
>
>
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Dec  1 12:05:10 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:05:10 +1300
Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
References: <003601c5f66b$8cfd20e0$0202a8c0@Christian>
Message-ID: <00f101c5f66f$7b602b30$40667cca@computername>

That's the correct mark.
Camshaft marks should line up exactly, use a mirror if necessary to get a clear view 
straight towards the centre of the pulleys.
The cams are allowed to be 4mm ahead (clockwise) of the marks.
Which way are your cam notches relative to the pointers?

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christian Williams" <christian.w at virgin.net>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "928 SW Posse" <swoop928 at smartgroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just checking the timing belt tension on my S2.

1) Vibration damper is calibrated: OT I  5 I 1 I 0. I'm assuming TDC is at the vertical 
mark between OT and 5 (OT I 5)?
2) Viewing car from the front, when the crank position OT I 5 is reached the left and 
right hand cam notches are about 1 tooth out of phase, compared to the OPC manual. DOES 
THIS MATTER?

Any help greatly appreciated......there's a beer or three in it!

Cheers Christian
'86 S2 Auto GP White





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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Dec  1 12:14:22 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:14:22 +1300
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
References: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<98697a430512010248y64dd7ff7jb4017bc4a355077@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011801c5f670$c40fb160$40667cca@computername>

I know there are some coated valves that you shouldn't re-cut, but I've never seen a good 
reason not to lap valves.

Did you check that yours sealed properly (Paraffin in the ports)?

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "Nick tinworth" <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress



I didn't bother lapping the valves in the end and have not regretted that,
there seems to be some controversy as to whether there is any value in doing
so.

Paul
87 S4 Manual



From christian.w at virgin.net  Thu Dec  1 12:21:30 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:21:30 -0000
Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
References: <003601c5f66b$8cfd20e0$0202a8c0@Christian>
	<00f101c5f66f$7b602b30$40667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <009301c5f671$c384e110$0202a8c0@Christian>

Smiffy
With the pointer EXACTLY at the vertical stroke between OT and 5 (OT I 5) the left-hand cam notch is 5mm late (anti-clockwise), whilst the right-hand cam notch is almost spot-on.
How could this be the case (new belt fitted 1000mls ago) and what to do next?
Christian

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul R Smith 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  That's the correct mark.
  Camshaft marks should line up exactly, use a mirror if necessary to get a clear view 
  straight towards the centre of the pulleys.
  The cams are allowed to be 4mm ahead (clockwise) of the marks.
  Which way are your cam notches relative to the pointers?

  Smiffy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Christian Williams" <christian.w at virgin.net>
  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "928 SW Posse" <swoop928 at smartgroups.com>
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:37 AM
  Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  Just checking the timing belt tension on my S2.

  1) Vibration damper is calibrated: OT I  5 I 1 I 0. I'm assuming TDC is at the vertical 
  mark between OT and 5 (OT I 5)?
  2) Viewing car from the front, when the crank position OT I 5 is reached the left and 
  right hand cam notches are about 1 tooth out of phase, compared to the OPC manual. DOES 
  THIS MATTER?

  Any help greatly appreciated......there's a beer or three in it!

  Cheers Christian
  '86 S2 Auto GP White





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From nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 12:23:53 2005
From: nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk (Nick tinworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:23:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <011801c5f670$c40fb160$40667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <20051201122353.48271.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

No i did not, but the car did run fine before i took the engine apart.

Paul R Smith <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:  I know there are some coated valves that you shouldn't re-cut, but I've never seen a good 
reason not to lap valves.

Did you check that yours sealed properly (Paraffin in the ports)?

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" 
To: "Nick tinworth" 
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress



I didn't bother lapping the valves in the end and have not regretted that,
there seems to be some controversy as to whether there is any value in doing
so.

Paul
87 S4 Manual

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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Thu Dec  1 12:54:53 2005
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David P928)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:54:53 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine Oil Cooler
References: <2a0.99c47b.30beceef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00d401c5f676$6cf1ffe0$0b014413@domainnotset.invalid>

When mine failed, Serck could supply the OEM part made by Langerer and Reich. I'm talking about the separate engine oil cooler fitted to late S4, GT and GTS models. Club Autosport can also supply them. New O rings needed but a simple swap. Recall the OPC was more expensive than ?200 though.

David '90 S4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com 
  To: phil at stairbridge.org.uk 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine Oil Cooler


  Hi Phil, thx for that, i hope to have the old one out today and i've got the Serck replacement specs (they don't refurb alloy oil coolers) but it looks as if i'll be stuck with the OPC option. i had a vague feeling in the hottest bits of summer that a bit more capacity would be good but that could be down to the thermostat settings Cheers Tim


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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Dec  1 13:07:38 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:07:38 +1300
Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
References: <003601c5f66b$8cfd20e0$0202a8c0@Christian><00f101c5f66f$7b602b30$40667cca@computername>
	<009301c5f671$c384e110$0202a8c0@Christian>
Message-ID: <001401c5f678$35524660$15667cca@computername>

That's within spec (if it was advanced one tooth it would be more than 4mm advanced).
Has the tension been re-checked (it should be) since the new belt was fitted?
With the engine in the checking position, the lower run of the belt where it emerges from 
the cover, near the left (looking back) cam, you should just be able to push the belt down 
to touch the remaining cover with strong thumb pressure ( I measured it at 12 kg force to 
move it 12 mm ).

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christian Williams" <christian.w at virgin.net>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Smiffy
With the pointer EXACTLY at the vertical stroke between OT and 5 (OT I 5) the left-hand 
cam notch is 5mm late (anti-clockwise), whilst the right-hand cam notch is almost spot-on.
How could this be the case (new belt fitted 1000mls ago) and what to do next?
Christian

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul R Smith
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  That's the correct mark.
  Camshaft marks should line up exactly, use a mirror if necessary to get a clear view
  straight towards the centre of the pulleys.
  The cams are allowed to be 4mm ahead (clockwise) of the marks.
  Which way are your cam notches relative to the pointers?

  Smiffy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Christian Williams" <christian.w at virgin.net>
  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "928 SW Posse" <swoop928 at smartgroups.com>
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:37 AM
  Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  Just checking the timing belt tension on my S2.

  1) Vibration damper is calibrated: OT I  5 I 1 I 0. I'm assuming TDC is at the vertical
  mark between OT and 5 (OT I 5)?
  2) Viewing car from the front, when the crank position OT I 5 is reached the left and
  right hand cam notches are about 1 tooth out of phase, compared to the OPC manual. DOES
  THIS MATTER?

  Any help greatly appreciated......there's a beer or three in it!

  Cheers Christian
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 13:21:11 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:21:11 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <20051201113601.11117.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <98697a430512010301j3e4ef108g5c711fd488301e9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051201113601.11117.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512010521w501eef23kb52e9a1113a08a7e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nick

I didn't skim them mainly because I couldn't afford to, but also because I
had no way of getting them to a machine shop, and I had no way of knowing
whether any particular machine shop was reputable.

Cheers

Paul


On 12/1/05, Nick tinworth <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Why did not not skim the heads, I have not cleaned mine yet so i do not
> know how bad they are
>
> Cheers Nick
>
> *Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Hi Nick
>
> One other question - Why are you having the heads skimmed? Are they very
> badly pitted or corroded? Are they worse than these?
>
> http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20133.jpg
>
> http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20131.jpg
>
> I didn't skim mine - no regrets.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On 12/1/05, Nick tinworth <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to bore you all with my lastest, but other half has got bored of
> > me talking about it.
> >
> > Last night i stripped the heads of my 928S 16V took quite a while but as
> > i had never done it before i was really please with myself.
> >
> > The valves all look fine apart from very dirty, cleaned one up and has
> > come out like new.
> >
> > The heads are now in my front room wait to be cleaned and then off to be
> > skimmed.
> >
> > The valve stem oil seals are knackered, they are just falling off and
> > ver brittle.
> >
> > The question i have is how do i put the new oil seals on. Any
> > suggestions
> >
> > Thankyou Nick
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 13:32:27 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:32:27 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <011801c5f670$c40fb160$40667cca@computername>
References: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<98697a430512010248y64dd7ff7jb4017bc4a355077@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Smiffy

Perhaps a good reason not to would be if the valve guides were slightly worn
(but still within spec), you would risk removing the nicely cut finish on
the valves/seats and replacing it with a slightly rounded finish. The valves
themselves appeared as new once all the valve stem deposits had been
removed. The valve seats are pretty hard and I decided there was little
evidence of significant pitting.

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20137.jpg

I admit I've not given it a compression test though, might be interesting to
do.

Cheers

Paul


On 12/1/05, Paul R Smith <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:
>
> I know there are some coated valves that you shouldn't re-cut, but I've
> never seen a good
> reason not to lap valves.
>
> Did you check that yours sealed properly (Paraffin in the ports)?
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
> To: "Nick tinworth" <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
>
>
>
> I didn't bother lapping the valves in the end and have not regretted that,
> there seems to be some controversy as to whether there is any value in
> doing
> so.
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
>
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From chris_byham at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 14:37:04 2005
From: chris_byham at yahoo.com (Chris Byham)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:37:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <98697a430512010532q6f6b1fddg2e5529a452e16094@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051201143704.99107.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul,
   
  Whilst knowing little about the 928 (other than that I want one!!), I have done top-end rebuilds before, and I always lapped the valves back into their seats. This is (in my opinion) important because by cleaning up the valve itself, you could have minor differences between the two surface (hence checking with parafin when reassembled). I'd agree that there is a danger if you overdo the grinding process (especially with the coarse stuff), that worn guides could cause issues. 
   
  I'd suggested only a light "polish" using the finest griding paste, and only enough turns to bring a shine back. Worked a treat on my XJS
   
  Chris

Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com> wrote:
    Hi Smiffy
   
  Perhaps a good reason not to would be if the valve guides were slightly worn (but still within spec), you would risk removing the nicely cut finish on the valves/seats and replacing it with a slightly rounded finish. The valves themselves appeared as new once all the valve stem deposits had been removed. The valve seats are pretty hard and I decided there was little evidence of significant pitting. 
   
  http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20137.jpg
   
  I admit I've not given it a compression test though, might be interesting to do.
   
  Cheers
   
  Paul

 
  On 12/1/05, Paul R Smith <smiffypr at snap.net.nz> wrote:   I know there are some coated valves that you shouldn't re-cut, but I've never seen a good
reason not to lap valves. 

Did you check that yours sealed properly (Paraffin in the ports)?

Smiffy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "Nick tinworth" < nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress 



I didn't bother lapping the valves in the end and have not regretted that,
there seems to be some controversy as to whether there is any value in doing
so.

Paul
87 S4 Manual

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From stuart at sportscartours.com  Thu Dec  1 16:05:40 2005
From: stuart at sportscartours.com (Stuart Crouch)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:05:40 -0000
Subject: [928uk] radiator repairs
Message-ID: <000001c5f691$1836c2e0$6501a8c0@Stuart>

I have split in the header tank of my 1987 S4 auto. The new price from
Porsche seems to be ?gulp? over ?1200.Has anyone any experience of after
market alternatives or alternative manufacturers or repairs. Or does anyone
have one for sale ?

 

All comments welcome

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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:49:41 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:49:41 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Let this be a lesson to you
In-Reply-To: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDGEIODAAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
References: <98697a430511290106i4dcc4644p5e0eb49d50967e6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDGEIODAAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
Message-ID: <98697a430512010849w4f9e5cc4vbe4543d4822a875d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jon

Your Ultimate Flywheel Lock (aka Range Rover) is now in the Misc section
that I've created

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/misc/

There's also a section specifically on the clutch which you must remember
too. And a section on Rear Wheel Bearing, which was a more recent trauma!

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/

Cheers

Paul




On 11/29/05, Jon Holdsworth <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>
> What no picture of the ultimate flywheel lock!!
>
> Happy memories
>
> Jon in NZ
> off to bed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]*On
> Behalf Of *Paul
> *Sent:* 29 November 2005 22:06
> *To:* 928UK
> *Subject:* [928uk] Let this be a lesson to you
>
> Two years ago my car suffered cam belt failure. With the help of my 928
> buddies here on 928.org.uk and advice from Rennlist, I repaired my car. I
> documented this mainly in order to post pictures and ask advice. I never got
> around to sorting out a proper web page though.
>
> Now Gareth, who I've never even met, has produced and index page and
> thumbnails so you can see what's entailed when it all goes horribly wrong.
>
> Please learn from my mistake - don't think about that cam belt service -
> just do it. (And while you're at it, if you have an auto, get the flex plate
> checked)
>
> Thanks to again Gareth for the his assistance:
>
> http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/index.html
>
> Paul
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:53:47 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:53:47 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
In-Reply-To: <1133451643.19222.248767091@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <20051201101646.77549.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<98697a430512010248y64dd7ff7jb4017bc4a355077@mail.gmail.com>
	<011801c5f670$c40fb160$40667cca@computername>
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Forwarded from Joe


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joe Farman <joe_icecool at fastmail.fm>
Date: Dec 1, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
To: Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com>

There are various coatings for valve seats the most common is stelite
(spelling may be wrong), i believe it more commonly used on the seats
though not the valves, as i recall it can be lapped in but not ground or
cut as this removes the coating, this is from previous experience with
diesel engine overhauls on ships.

Lapping paste is very very much finer than grinding paste, if a stellite
seat needs to be more than lapped in it needs to be replaced with a new
one.

Joe, busy rebuilding an ancillary pump drive gearbox on a 1656BHP GMT
V12 750RPM Marine Diesel.


----- Original message -----
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:32:27 +0000
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress

Hi Smiffy

Perhaps a good reason not to would be if the valve guides were slightly
worn
(but still within spec), you would risk removing the nicely cut finish
on
the valves/seats and replacing it with a slightly rounded finish. The
valves
themselves appeared as new once all the valve stem deposits had been
removed. The valve seats are pretty hard and I decided there was little
evidence of significant pitting.

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20137.jpg

I admit I've not given it a compression test though, might be
interesting to
do.

Cheers

Paul
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From justincr00k at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:01:59 2005
From: justincr00k at gmail.com (Justin Crook)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:01:59 +0000
Subject: [928uk] radiator repairs
In-Reply-To: <000001c5f691$1836c2e0$6501a8c0@Stuart>
References: <000001c5f691$1836c2e0$6501a8c0@Stuart>
Message-ID: <ff95e35c0512010901o34c87d23x4aa8553511389dfd@mail.gmail.com>

You're looking at ?880 (including vat) at eurocarparts.

On 12/1/05, Stuart Crouch <stuart at sportscartours.com> wrote:
>
>  I have split in the header tank of my 1987 S4 auto. The new price from
> Porsche seems to be "gulp" over ?1200.Has anyone any experience of after
> market alternatives or alternative manufacturers or repairs. Or does anyone
> have one for sale ?
>
>
>
> All comments welcome
>
> Stuart white 928 white in Fulham
>
>
>
>
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From justincr00k at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:02:49 2005
From: justincr00k at gmail.com (Justin Crook)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:02:49 +0000
Subject: [928uk] radiator repairs
In-Reply-To: <ff95e35c0512010901o34c87d23x4aa8553511389dfd@mail.gmail.com>
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Thats for a Bher too BTW.

On 12/1/05, Justin Crook <justincr00k at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You're looking at ?880 (including vat) at eurocarparts.
>
> On 12/1/05, Stuart Crouch <stuart at sportscartours.com > wrote:
>
> >  I have split in the header tank of my 1987 S4 auto. The new price from
> > Porsche seems to be "gulp" over ?1200.Has anyone any experience of after
> > market alternatives or alternative manufacturers or repairs. Or does anyone
> > have one for sale ?
> >
> >
> >
> > All comments welcome
> >
> > Stuart white 928 white in Fulham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 17:41:01 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:41:01 EST
Subject: [928uk] radiator repairs
Message-ID: <12f.6af6a8b9.30c08fad@aol.com>

_DEVEK for Porsche 928_ (http://www.devek.net/)   Might be  worth trying  
USD779, P&p can't be too bad HTH  Tim'92gts
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From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Thu Dec  1 17:39:36 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:36 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
In-Reply-To: <000001c5f46b$51855de0$7b718e56@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <OFB93C870C.5FA0AAB7-ON802570CA.0060BAAB-802570CA.006102E8@rockwellcollins.com>

"any plans to do a mass convoy from the M4 Junction 13 Chieveley Services 
up the A34
as we did a few years ago ?
could be a few cars converging at this junction."

Hi Rich, I'm going to be driving up from Gatwick and a bit of company may 
stop be getting lost!
What time will you all be planning to leave the services?
Cheers
Clive 
'88 S4 Auto GP White 
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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Thu Dec  1 18:14:50 2005
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:14:50 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 crank scrapers
Message-ID: <20051201181450.GDPG18425.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I've got one to be fitted to my spare engine Rich, but I would not attempt fitting it with an engine still in the car.  They definately have some benefits, but it won't solve completely the potential oil problems with a 32valve engine which is used a lot on the track.
Adrian
> 
> From: "Fullworx Int. Ltd." <fullworx at btconnect.com>
> Date: 2005/11/29 Tue PM 01:05:34 GMT
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] 928 crank scrapers
> 
> ...found this after a search,is this the other option to an accusump,
> looks and sounds like it will lessen the bearing failures on track days !!!
> 
> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/prod04.htm
> 
> anyone else interested, could make a bulk purchase
> i will check on the comodity codes for avoiding the import duties...
> 
> Cheers,
> Rich
> '87 Strosek SC
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Dec  1 21:04:07 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:04:07 GMT
Subject: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
Message-ID: <20051201210407.A6EDE731888@viper.snap.net.nz>

Like I said, don't re-face/cut coated valves/seats, but do lap them.
If you had stellite seats or valves it would be obvious from the ack of 
wear.

(Stellite is what you use when you need to drill out a tap or something 
else very hard that a carbide drill won't touch, its the pit-bull of 
alloys, extra effin hard.)

Smiffy

> Forwarded from Joe
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joe Farman <joe_icecool at fastmail.fm>
> Date: Dec 1, 2005 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
> To: Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
> 
> There are various coatings for valve seats the most common is stelite
> (spelling may be wrong), i believe it more commonly used on the seats
> though not the valves, as i recall it can be lapped in but not ground or
> cut as this removes the coating, this is from previous experience with
> diesel engine overhauls on ships.
> 
> Lapping paste is very very much finer than grinding paste, if a stellite
> seat needs to be more than lapped in it needs to be replaced with a new
> one.
> 
> Joe, busy rebuilding an ancillary pump drive gearbox on a 1656BHP GMT
> V12 750RPM Marine Diesel.
> 
> 
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
> To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:32:27 +0000
> Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Engine Progress
> 
> Hi Smiffy
> 
> Perhaps a good reason not to would be if the valve guides were slightly
> worn
> (but still within spec), you would risk removing the nicely cut finish
> on
> the valves/seats and replacing it with a slightly rounded finish. The
> valves
> themselves appeared as new once all the valve stem deposits had been
> removed. The valve seats are pretty hard and I decided there was little
> evidence of significant pitting.
> 
> http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/project/photos/Picture%20137.jpg
> 
> I admit I've not given it a compression test though, might be
> interesting to
> do.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paul
> 





From drnagwagner at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  1 21:43:50 2005
From: drnagwagner at hotmail.com (dr. nag wagner)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:43:50 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
In-Reply-To: <OFB93C870C.5FA0AAB7-ON802570CA.0060BAAB-802570CA.006102E8@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F327D58100E22377735A759B94D0@phx.gbl>

Rob Burrell has suggested leaving Chievely (?) at 1030 - I for one will be 
there.
Nick


>From: <clusted at rockwellcollins.com>
>To: fullworx at btconnect.com
>CC: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk, 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: Re: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
>Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:39:36 +0000
>
>"any plans to do a mass convoy from the M4 Junction 13 Chieveley Services
>up the A34
>as we did a few years ago ?
>could be a few cars converging at this junction."
>
>Hi Rich, I'm going to be driving up from Gatwick and a bit of company may
>stop be getting lost!
>What time will you all be planning to leave the services?
>Cheers
>Clive
>'88 S4 Auto GP White


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From diederik at devilder.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 22:21:18 2005
From: diederik at devilder.fsnet.co.uk (Diederik De Vilder)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:21:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Plug wire set
Message-ID: <000c01c5f6c5$8d051d40$466b4f51@diederikr2ja2j>

I need to buy a new spark plug wire set because I had a few instances of misfiring. Does anybody have any recommendations? Are these Red Shark Nology any good? Are Beru better than for instance Karlyn?

Thanks

Diederik
GTS 92  
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From marton at befree.ch  Thu Dec  1 22:27:58 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:27:58 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] radiator repairs
In-Reply-To: <ff95e35c0512010901o34c87d23x4aa8553511389dfd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43735F9B007E716D@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

Try taking the radiator out and taking it to a radiator repair shop.  They
are not easy to repair but if they can find a suitable header tank then it
should be OK.

 

According to the behr online catalog it is a 


2108579



Radiator, engine cooling   Radiator

 

Maybe it is cheaper to buy direct from Behr if you can find a dealer or find
another Behr radiator that will fit, 

Width [mm]:  430 

 

Length [mm]: 619 

 

Depth [mm]:  42 

 

It needs 2 oil coolers, one for engine and one for auto



look at?

http://tecdoc.behr-service.com:7001/toc/en/Q49pvHm0qFRF2Km63OOQPtjxTPsRbh2cn
29VaQ5NIvmRmb2B1tua!1929565991!-1033667987!7001!7002!1133472188850.srv;jsess
ionid=Q49pvHm0qFRF2Km63OOQPtjxTPsRbh2cn29VaQ5NIvmRmb2B1tua!1929565991!-10336
67987!7001!7002?view=VIndexJsp

 

Regards

 

Marton

 

  _____  

Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Justin Crook
Gesendet: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:02 PM
An: stuart at sportscartours.com
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: Re: [928uk] radiator repairs

 

You're looking at ?880 (including vat) at eurocarparts.

On 12/1/05, Stuart Crouch <stuart at sportscartours.com > wrote:

I have split in the header tank of my 1987 S4 auto. The new price from
Porsche seems to be "gulp" over ?1200.Has anyone any experience of after
market alternatives or alternative manufacturers or repairs. Or does anyone
have one for sale ?

 

All comments welcome

Stuart white 928 white in Fulham

 

 

 

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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Thu Dec  1 23:01:42 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:01:42 +0000
Subject: AW: [928uk] radiator repairs
In-Reply-To: <43735F9B007E716D@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by   
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)
References: <43735F9B007E716D@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by   
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)
Message-ID: <1133478102.11710.248804369@webmail.messagingengine.com>

A couple of years back i had a quote for @?500 from a local radiator
repair shop to fabricate one or i think approx ?750 for a new one from
one of their suppliers, ended up costing me ?40 to have mine pressure
tested, both end covers rejointed and crimped back up and then pressure
tested again, it also came back very clean and tight. 

I thought the S4 had a seperate oil cooler or is this an extra oil
cooler, currently not able to just nip outside and check for myself.

Joe


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From: "marton" <marton at befree.ch>
To: "'Justin Crook'" <justincr00k at gmail.com>, stuart at sportscartours.com
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:27:58 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] radiator repairs

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From rob at robburrell.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 00:03:40 2005
From: rob at robburrell.co.uk (Rob Burrell)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:03:40 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
In-Reply-To: <OFB93C870C.5FA0AAB7-ON802570CA.0060BAAB-802570CA.006102E8@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <008901c5f6d3$daca4ab0$0301a8c0@solenthw81pc6r>

Hi Clive
 
The plan is to leave Chieveley Services at 10.30, sounds like quite a
few 928's will be gathering from around 10.00 - see you there!
 
Regards
 
Rob
'90 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com
Sent: 01 December 2005 17:40
To: fullworx at btconnect.com
Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005



"any plans to do a mass convoy from the M4 Junction 13 Chieveley
Services up the A34 
as we did a few years ago ? 
could be a few cars converging at this junction." 

Hi Rich, I'm going to be driving up from Gatwick and a bit of company
may stop be getting lost! 
What time will you all be planning to leave the services? 
Cheers
Clive 
'88 S4 Auto GP White 

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From colincatherall at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 00:30:23 2005
From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:30:23 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Plug wire set
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5f6c5$8d051d40$466b4f51@diederikr2ja2j>
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Fri Dec  2 00:49:54 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:49:54 GMT
Subject: [928uk] radiator repairs
Message-ID: <20051202004954.032EC731A50@viper.snap.net.nz>

Try your local Serk Marston agents (in your phone book).
The do Behr and are quite reasonable.

Smiffy



From MARKBIRRI at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 02:02:31 2005
From: MARKBIRRI at aol.com (MARKBIRRI at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:02:31 EST
Subject: AW: [928uk] daily drive?
Message-ID: <db.32a701ce.30c10537@aol.com>

My '88 S4 is my only car and daily drive...wouldn't have it any other  way!   
Mark 928 KUP
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From christian.w at virgin.net  Fri Dec  2 07:21:36 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:21:36 -0000
Subject: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
References: <20051201204709.B32D9731820@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <000801c5f711$0829d0b0$0202a8c0@Christian>

Thanks Smiffy
Technical help very much appreciated. I've made a mental note of the thumb pressure req'd to push the belt downwards to the remaining 'middle cover' as advised, so hopefully, no drama next time around. Now that's out of the way, just the flex plate to sort next!

Cheers
Christian
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz 
  To: Christian Williams 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  Yes.
  Why is it like that? That's more difficult to answer.
  The possible causes that I can think of are, innaccuracies in the water-
  pump or cylinder heads which have been skimmed.

  Its a good idea to "calibrate" your thumb against the tool, then for your 
  subsequent annual check, you can use your thumb and be fairly confident.

  Smiffy  

  > Smiffy
  > Just to clarify, looking front the front to the rear of the engine bay,
  > are you saying that at TDC on the crank, if the left-hand camshaft notch
  > is approx 5mm anti clockwise of the pointer (late), whilst the right
  > hand camshaft notch is pretty much spot-on the pointer, that's within
  > spec?
  > 
  > Ref. belt tension, Paul T has kindly loaned me his tensioner tool, I'll
  > use your thumb pressure advice as a double-check though.
  > 
  > Cheers
  > Christian
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From christian.w at virgin.net  Fri Dec  2 07:25:58 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:25:58 -0000
Subject: [928uk] classic car club discovery channel
References: <43858E3C00028F2D@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <001101c5f711$a45f9780$0202a8c0@Christian>

Watched it last night......well put together, informative and interesting (the presenter looked to be +vely enjoying driving the car). His closing comment suggesting that to buy a 'stinker' is as good as to kiss your wallet goodbye proved a little to close to the bone. Suffice to say, lesson learned!

Christian
'86 S2 Auto GP White (getting there with lots of help from the 928 forum)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:42 AM
  Subject: [928uk] classic car club discovery channel


  Anybody see the show on tues i would be interested in your comments if you
  did regards jeff selwood

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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Fri Dec  2 07:44:09 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:44:09 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
References: <OFB93C870C.5FA0AAB7-ON802570CA.0060BAAB-802570CA.006102E8@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c5f714$34733820$01898b56@btconnect.com>

Hi Clive,

we will plan to leave Chieveley Services (M4 Junction 13) at 10.30h
groups of 928's will converge here and then set off up the A34 to the Plough

Cheers
Rich
'87 Strosek SC
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com 
  To: fullworx at btconnect.com 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk ; 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005



  "any plans to do a mass convoy from the M4 Junction 13 Chieveley Services up the A34 
  as we did a few years ago ? 
  could be a few cars converging at this junction." 

  Hi Rich, I'm going to be driving up from Gatwick and a bit of company may stop be getting lost! 
  What time will you all be planning to leave the services? 
  Cheers
  Clive 
  '88 S4 Auto GP White 
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From d.f.peach at cranfield.ac.uk  Fri Dec  2 10:39:13 2005
From: d.f.peach at cranfield.ac.uk (Peach Dr DF)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:39:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] daily drive?
Message-ID: <11C2D5C84F664242A262B806403EA75A10B8B1@CranfieldMail.shrivenham.cranfield.ac.uk>

Mine is a daily driver also. Do enjoy turning 2 mile trips into 6 mile versions to make sure car is warmed-up and not running on rich setting - gives me an excuse to run through some nice countryside to get to the office. Apart from that I don't do anything special except ensure I use a dose of fuel injection cleaner in the petrol every month. 
 
Regards,
 
Don.
1988 S4 Manual.
 

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From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 11:54:56 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:54:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20051202115456.20883.qmail@web86804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

    Today I finally bought the wheels I have always dreamed about having on my Shark. 

Ladyeez and Gentlemen, 

I give you the mother of all 928 wheels IMHO - the Strosek 18" Peperpot  

The rears are 10J x 18 ET48
The fronts are 8J x 18 ET55

They came off a 1991 GT which was written off in Germany. This gives me comfort that they would fit my ex-German 1990 GT.

The grand total was EUR668 = GBP450 = USD780. Hail the power of eBay!
   
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From SSaunders at potato.org.uk  Fri Dec  2 15:09:53 2005
From: SSaunders at potato.org.uk (Steve Saunders)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:09:53 -0000
Subject: [928uk] radiator repairs
Message-ID: <54E59FC84E3B86499B5CCA0C39E136C0CE4987@duke.potato.org.uk>

These days known as Serck Intertruck - on Smiffys advice I contacted them earlier this year (Peterborough branch) - thay did a cracking job on a recore for ?179 - turn around just a few days.  I am sure they can sort a tank also - contact your local branch.

Steve.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of smiffypr at snap.net.nz
Sent: 02 December 2005 00:50
To: Justin Crook; stuart at sportscartours.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] radiator repairs


Try your local Serk Marston agents (in your phone book).
The do Behr and are quite reasonable.

Smiffy

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From angusf at 928.org.uk  Fri Dec  2 15:30:49 2005
From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:30:49 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
In-Reply-To: <200512021200.jB2C0EQ31565@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200512021200.jB2C0EQ31565@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <439068A9.7080003@928.org.uk>

I will be there but late my flight from the US lands at 11 and I guess 
that means I'l be there at about 1pm provided the car starts after a 
week at Heathrow. I dont think it will get any awards for cleanliness 
either...

Save me a parking space :-)

Angus
88 S4 SE with new wheels


From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Dec  2 15:32:21 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:32:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] uniball
Message-ID: <005501c5f755$96938be0$035b48c3@JDW>

Hi ,
does anyone know anything about Uniball suspensions? What they do and where to get them?

Thanks,
jerry
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From pagnobito at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:45:44 2005
From: pagnobito at hotmail.com (Michael Parris)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:45:44 +0000
Subject: [928uk] daily drive?
In-Reply-To: <11C2D5C84F664242A262B806403EA75A10B8B1@CranfieldMail.shrivenham.cranfield.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F9D80534C2FA589A3F4A55A84C0@phx.gbl>

It would be nice to use the 928 as a daily drive, however my 30K a year in 
my Leon costs just over 4K in fuel and averages 28mpg, so to say that I 
might get 18mpg out of the beast if driven carefully based on the same 
mileage would mean my fuel bill increase to approximately ?6400 per year.
Then there are all the other costs for servicing 3 times a year and so on.   
If I were a millionaire, then maybe, but then again if I was I think I would 
have a newer car for everyday use anyway.

Its a romantic idea, but not practical for me, but if I worked about 10 
miles from home then I would probably use it everyday or every other if I 
was not cycling.

Mike
89S4
Having new front suspension, track rods, steering gators, knock sensors, 
breather pipes, oil filler, tyres, geometry, front brakes, PAS bits, so wont 
be coming Saturday :(




From jj at folly.screaming.net  Fri Dec  2 15:49:49 2005
From: jj at folly.screaming.net (JJ)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:49:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005 - 928UK 7th Anniversary Meet
In-Reply-To: <001f01c5f42c$1bbf7e00$0a01a8c0@n7m9k7>
Message-ID: <000001c5f758$0755e6a0$0b046d58@dell>

Anyone travelling to The Plough Inn on 3December from
Hertfordshire? (M25/J22)  Lift available or travel in convoy?
 
JJ ??? 
1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto 

07005 373146/01727 824444

  _____  

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley
Sent: 28 November 2005 14:57
To: 928UK
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005 - 928UK 7th
Anniversary Meet


Just a reminder of the directions to ThePlough Inn:

 

Orchard Lane

East Hendred

Wantage

OX12 8JW

 

Directions : From A34 at Didcot junction (A4130) keeping to the
right heading west if coming from the north or to the left
heading west coming from south. On A4130 up from A34, follow
through traffic lights, up over the hill and follow past orchard
on left and fruit stall on corner opposite.  Road straightens
past a pub on right then you come up to a roundabout in several
hundred yards with a garage on the left corner.  Turn right onto
the A417 at the roundabout and head towards Wantage. About ? mile
after going through a large ?S? bend, passing Featherbed Lane on
right, turn first left at White Road signed to East Hendred.
(please drive slowly) Take third right into Orchard Lane.  The
Plough Inn (large white building) will be a few hundred yards on
left past small road to left then beside a large thatched barn to
the right.  Car park entrance is at the opposite end and will be
signed.  Up to 100-120 cars can be accommodated.

 

Everyone must drive especially slowly through East Hendred, as
the main road in and out is narrow and full of family homes and
children.


 

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From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 15:05:13 2005
From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:05:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
References: <20051202115456.20883.qmail@web86804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006201c5f75a$ef000380$e2a5193e@dan>

Your voiture will certainly look like the dog's giblets now - very smooth looking wheels and highly individual - clever clogs !!!

Alan - 1990 S4 auto with plain design 90 alloys but I like them
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alexander Popov 
  To: 928GB ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:54 AM
  Subject: [928uk] (no subject)


  Today I finally bought the wheels I have always dreamed about having on my Shark. 

  Ladyeez and Gentlemen, 

  I give you the mother of all 928 wheels IMHO - the Strosek 18" Peperpot  

  The rears are 10J x 18 ET48
  The fronts are 8J x 18 ET55

  They came off a 1991 GT which was written off in Germany. This gives me comfort that they would fit my ex-German 1990 GT.

  The grand total was EUR668 = GBP450 = USD780. Hail the power of eBay!

  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8017016998&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:UK:31




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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 16:14:25 2005
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:14:25 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
References: <200512021200.jB2C0EQ31565@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
	<439068A9.7080003@928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <002801c5f75b$78d47000$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angus Fox" <angusf at 928.org.uk>
> I will be there but late my flight from the US lands at 11 and I guess
> that means I'l be there at about 1pm provided the car starts after a
> week at Heathrow. I dont think it will get any awards for cleanliness
> either...
> Save me a parking space :-)
> Angus
> 88 S4 SE with new wheels

After 185 miles drive from Bolton I think my GTs likely to pretty dirty as
well.
The Yahoo weather forecast isn't too bad, 8C and light rain.
Look forward to seeing everyone tomorrow.

Andrew




From gjm123 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 16:25:07 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:25:07 +0000
Subject: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512020825g7cb5b36eo@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a hard and fast way to tell which of the '86 model year S2s were
fitted with the uprated (S4) brakes and suspension? I'd like to update my
car - '84 MY and know of an '86 S2 being broken.

Ta,
Graham
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Fri Dec  2 17:01:57 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:01:57 -0000
Subject: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
References: <ac85f1f90512020825g7cb5b36eo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01ea01c5f762$1c732110$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

I think all MY86 were so equipped - i.e. MY 86 starts in August 85.

Front suspension as well as brakes and steering shafts all changed. Rear suspension pick up points changed - not sure if this is a retro. Exhaust changed, sort of hybrid S/S4

Is it just the brakes you want to upgrade ?

John
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Graham Manning 
  To: 928GB ; 928UK 
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:25 PM
  Subject: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes


  Is there a hard and fast way to tell which of the '86 model year S2s were fitted with the uprated (S4) brakes and suspension? I'd like to update my car - '84 MY and know of an '86 S2 being broken.

  Ta,
  Graham


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From andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 17:25:20 2005
From: andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk (andy smith)
Date: Fri,  2 Dec 2005 18:25:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [928uk] Sound System Base Woofers
Message-ID: <15780164.1133544320209.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

I have a 928 GTS manual and the base speakers are blown.Went to my local audio shop and they told me they were triple crossover something or others and very special. They quoted me ?600 and want to take out the rear interior panels to do the job which terrifies me.Has anyone got any experience of this problem. Is it possible to get them repaired? All suggestions would be appreciated.



From gjm123 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 17:37:18 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:37:18 +0000
Subject: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
In-Reply-To: <01ea01c5f762$1c732110$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
References: <ac85f1f90512020825g7cb5b36eo@mail.gmail.com>
	<01ea01c5f762$1c732110$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512020937y5e1573d8x@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to change both the brakes and the suspension if possible, but the
brakes first of all. Some eloquent person said "You must slow down in order
to go fast" which makes sense to me. I didn't realise the steering shafts
changed but that seems logical, and if the chassis pick up points moved it
could be very tricky to replicate!

So for an S2 with uprated suspension and brakes a good guide would be to
find a car with chassis number from WPOZZZ92ZGS8n0001 to* *
WPOZZZ92ZGS8nnnnn?

- Graham


On 02/12/05, JDSPorsche <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote:
>
> I think all MY86 were so equipped - i.e. MY 86 starts in August 85.
>
> Front suspension as well as brakes and steering shafts all changed. Rear
> suspension pick up points changed - not sure if this is a retro. Exhaust
> changed, sort of hybrid S/S4
>
> Is it just the brakes you want to upgrade ?
>
> John
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
> *To:* 928GB <928GB at yahoogroups.com> ; 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2005 4:25 PM
> *Subject:* [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
>
>
> Is there a hard and fast way to tell which of the '86 model year S2s were
> fitted with the uprated (S4) brakes and suspension? I'd like to update my
> car - '84 MY and know of an '86 S2 being broken.
>
> Ta,
> Graham
>
>
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From colincatherall at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 17:44:19 2005
From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:44:19 +0000
Subject: [928uk] bits n bobs
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Fri Dec  2 18:01:37 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:01:37 -0000
Subject: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
References: <ac85f1f90512020825g7cb5b36eo@mail.gmail.com>
	<01ea01c5f762$1c732110$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
	<ac85f1f90512020937y5e1573d8x@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <025301c5f76a$72101da0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

I'm operating from memory here, so very dangerous :-)

What you need is the Tech info for MY 86.  The shocks are different Boge units, upper and lower control arms are new, with new type ball joints, stabiliser on upper arm is new, tie rods are 10mm shorter.I think you can just keep the old exhaust system.

Regards

John
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Graham Manning 
  To: JDSPorsche 
  Cc: 928UK 
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes


  I'd like to change both the brakes and the suspension if possible, but the brakes first of all. Some eloquent person said "You must slow down in order to go fast" which makes sense to me. I didn't realise the steering shafts changed but that seems logical, and if the chassis pick up points moved it could be very tricky to replicate! 

  So for an S2 with uprated suspension and brakes a good guide would be to find a car with chassis number from WPOZZZ92ZGS8n0001 to WPOZZZ92ZGS8nnnnn?

  - Graham

   
  On 02/12/05, JDSPorsche <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote: 
    I think all MY86 were so equipped - i.e. MY 86 starts in August 85.

    Front suspension as well as brakes and steering shafts all changed. Rear suspension pick up points changed - not sure if this is a retro. Exhaust changed, sort of hybrid S/S4

    Is it just the brakes you want to upgrade ?

    John
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Graham Manning 
      To: 928GB ; 928UK 
      Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:25 PM
      Subject: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes

       
      Is there a hard and fast way to tell which of the '86 model year S2s were fitted with the uprated (S4) brakes and suspension? I'd like to update my car - '84 MY and know of an '86 S2 being broken.

      Ta,
      Graham



    
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From go928 at btinternet.com  Fri Dec  2 18:02:46 2005
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham 928)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:02:46 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Insurance Tip
Message-ID: <000001c5f76a$9daafcf0$0100a8c0@Desktop>

Anyone out there looking for Norwich Union to "quote them happy", I suggest
you get a few quotes 'cos they seem to have a totally random pricing policy!
 
When my insurance renewal came through the price looked pretty steep so I
thought I should shop around.  A couple of hours on the internet and phone
to 0800 numbers came up with no less than 6 NU quotes.  These are all for
the same plan with identical details, the same excess etc.
 
Norwich Union via the AA (Existing insurer)    ?581
Norwich Union via confused.com                    NU will not insure this
vehicle
Norwich Union via Dial direct                         ?533
Norwich Union Direct (by phone)                   ?413
Norwich Union Direct (on line)                       ?401
Norwich Union Direct (by phone again)           ?341
 
Guess which one I am going for?
 
See you at the Plough tomorrow.
 
Graham ('91 S4)
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From marton at befree.ch  Fri Dec  2 18:07:15 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:07:15 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Sound System Base Woofers
References: <15780164.1133544320209.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <00ec01c5f76b$3a72f1a0$6401a8c0@simone>

I heard MBQuart speakers fit, do not know if available in the UK.  You might
have to change the amplifier as later speakers were 2 ohm.

maybe best route is to dump them and the crossover together, then buy a sub
woofer and a new amp and put it all in the spare wheel well, throw away that
daft blow up spare wheel.  probably the best sound solution and also
cheaper.  There seem to be loads of  high tec sounding sub woofers and amps
on ebay in the 100 to 200 pound range.

Marton


----- Original Message -----
From: "andy smith" <andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: [928uk] Sound System Base Woofers


> I have a 928 GTS manual and the base speakers are blown.Went to my local
audio shop and they told me they were triple crossover something or others
and very special. They quoted me ?600 and want to take out the rear interior
panels to do the job which terrifies me.Has anyone got any experience of
this problem. Is it possible to get them repaired? All suggestions would be
appreciated.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From go928 at btinternet.com  Fri Dec  2 18:11:53 2005
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham 928)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:53 -0000
Subject: AW: [928uk] daily drive?
In-Reply-To: <db.32a701ce.30c10537@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501c5f76b$e759f1c0$0100a8c0@Desktop>

I agree totally.  Mine's a 91 S4 auto and has been my daily drive for 4
years now.  I would need to think carefully about a manual as a daily drive
tho' (unless you live in the middle of Wales well away from the M25)!
 
Graham Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of MARKBIRRI at aol.com
Sent: 02 December 2005 02:03
To: marton at befree.ch; myoung at afcdfc.ae; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] daily drive?



My '88 S4 is my only car and daily drive...wouldn't have it any other way!
Mark 928 KUP

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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 18:31:23 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:31:23 +0000
Subject: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
In-Reply-To: <025301c5f76a$72101da0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
References: <ac85f1f90512020825g7cb5b36eo@mail.gmail.com>
	<01ea01c5f762$1c732110$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
	<ac85f1f90512020937y5e1573d8x@mail.gmail.com>
	<025301c5f76a$72101da0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512021031u1284814bo@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a fun conversion... and gives me a shopping list. Thanks for the
info!

Graham


On 02/12/05, JDSPorsche <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote:
>
> I'm operating from memory here, so very dangerous :-)
>
> What you need is the Tech info for MY 86.  The shocks are different Boge
> units, upper and lower control arms are new, with new type ball joints,
> stabiliser on upper arm is new, tie rods are 10mm shorter.I think you can
> just keep the old exhaust system.
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
>  *To:* JDSPorsche <info at jdsporsche.com>
> *Cc:* 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2005 5:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
>
>
> I'd like to change both the brakes and the suspension if possible, but the
> brakes first of all. Some eloquent person said "You must slow down in order
> to go fast" which makes sense to me. I didn't realise the steering shafts
> changed but that seems logical, and if the chassis pick up points moved it
> could be very tricky to replicate!
>
> So for an S2 with uprated suspension and brakes a good guide would be to
> find a car with chassis number from WPOZZZ92ZGS8n0001 to* *
> WPOZZZ92ZGS8nnnnn?
>
> - Graham
>
>
> On 02/12/05, JDSPorsche <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think all MY86 were so equipped - i.e. MY 86 starts in August 85.
> >
> > Front suspension as well as brakes and steering shafts all changed. Rear
> > suspension pick up points changed - not sure if this is a retro. Exhaust
> > changed, sort of hybrid S/S4
> >
> > Is it just the brakes you want to upgrade ?
> >
> > John
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
> > *To:* 928GB <928GB at yahoogroups.com> ; 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2005 4:25 PM
> > *Subject:* [928uk] '86 S2 suspension & brakes
> >
> >
> > Is there a hard and fast way to tell which of the '86 model year S2s
> > were fitted with the uprated (S4) brakes and suspension? I'd like to update
> > my car - '84 MY and know of an '86 S2 being broken.
> >
> > Ta,
> > Graham
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 18:48:56 2005
From: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk (Ian & Lynn)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:48:56 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005 - Anyone from Essex going?
References: <200512021200.jB2C0EQ31565@raq01.multizone.co.uk><439068A9.7080003@928.org.uk>
	<002801c5f75b$78d47000$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <009c01c5f771$0caa9c40$0502a8c0@Orac>

Dear All,

Any 928's going from Essex (or down the A12 corridor?).

Best Regards

Ian (based in Chelmsford)

Black S4





From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 18:51:13 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:13 EST
Subject: [928uk] Sound System Base Woofers
Message-ID: <237.2bc4b46.30c1f1a1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 02/12/2005 17:29:38 GMT Standard Time,  
andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk writes:

triple  crossover something 


No crossover at all! The crossover is for the two treble speakers, it is  not 
connected to the bass speakers electrically in any way.Just a handy mounting  
point. All  the control is in the booster amp, if you want an upgrade proof  
install and can handle a deeper rim go for something like the Pioneer 
TS-M7PRS.  Otherwise you will be very limited by the depth of the installation, the 
stock  speakers were actually very good for their weight and era! YMMV Cheers  
Tim'92gts
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From ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 18:54:00 2005
From: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk (Ian & Lynn)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:54:00 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December  - set of polished S4 Alloys
References: <BAY101-F327D58100E22377735A759B94D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a901c5f771$c23f2350$0502a8c0@Orac>

Dear All

I have a set of Polished S4 Alloys up for grabs.
I would be able to bring them along to tomorrow's meeting if you desparate 
for them.

I am asking ?300 (a donation to this site will be given, if they sell from 
here).

Best Regards

Ian 





From fullworx at btconnect.com  Fri Dec  2 19:27:28 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:27:28 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 3rd December (Saturday) 2005
References: <000001c5f758$0755e6a0$0b046d58@dell>
Message-ID: <002b01c5f776$a143bda0$31898b56@btconnect.com>

see you all tomorrow, 
13 from the South West Posse swarming down to Cheverley for 10 ish

cheers,
Rich
'87 Strosek SC
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From angusf at mac.com  Sat Dec  3 00:05:34 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:05:34 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Advertise on 928.org.uk! (Delete now if not interested)
Message-ID: <4390E14E.1090709@mac.com>

Did you know you can advertising on our site, which is a valued member 
of Google's diverse network of partner websites. If you have a product 
or service that our 10,000 pages views a month of petrolheads would like 
to see then I cant thnk of a better way to do it. Adwords is unobtrusive 
and relevant. Tyre adverts show up on the tyres and wheels pages for 
example.

The 'Advertise on this site' link is on the bottom of the advertising 
panel on the right hand side of most pages. Its delivered by the Google 
AdWords system.

Click it and then click'Sign Up Now' to open an AdWords account and 
create an ad for this site in one quick, simple process. Write your own 
message, set the price you want to pay and Google take care of the rest.

Google Adwords, and the people making a donation to advertise their cars 
on the site are paying for the site, the list, and the specialist 
hosting hardware it runs on. So if you can support Adwords as an 
advertiser that would be really great!

Angus
PS Adwords is the *only* one of these programs that works. Please let me 
know if you run a site and want to be referred to the Adwords program


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sat Dec  3 04:48:52 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:48:52 +1300
Subject: [928uk] uniball
References: <005501c5f755$96938be0$035b48c3@JDW>
Message-ID: <015401c5f7c4$e13f7450$61667cca@computername>

If you mean rose-joints, the only parts of a 928 suspension that can easily be replace by 
these are the drop links for the anti-roll bars. Changing these made my car feel better in 
the transition from turning one way to the other. They are normally stocked by bearing 
factors.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
To: "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:32 AM
Subject: [928uk] uniball


Hi ,
does anyone know anything about Uniball suspensions? What they do and where to get them?

Thanks,
jerry


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From christian.w at virgin.net  Sat Dec  3 05:09:16 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 05:09:16 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
Message-ID: <003f01c5f7c7$b60e7300$0202a8c0@Christian>

I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and rear hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar.
Has anyone had experience of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd recommend? Ultimately, I'd prefer it if the glass panels came supplied pre-cut and formed.
Christian
'86 S2 Auto GP White
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From jerrydw at club.worldonline.be  Sat Dec  3 08:31:28 2005
From: jerrydw at club.worldonline.be (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:31:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
References: <003f01c5f7c7$b60e7300$0202a8c0@Christian>
Message-ID: <002801c5f7e3$f54a20c0$b57bc054@Drivejay>

Hi Christian,

I changed my side windows to 3mm  thick plexi a few months ago. I made a mold based on the original one out of cardboard and just took it to the local plexiglass dealer. Cost me about 70 Euro. I'm doing the rear window in a few weeks. The quarter panels are more tricky because of their shape. I think you have to use lexan there because it's more flexible.

Cheers,
Jerry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Christian Williams 
  To: 928 SW Posse ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:09 AM
  Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass


  I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and rear hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar.
  Has anyone had experience of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd recommend? Ultimately, I'd prefer it if the glass panels came supplied pre-cut and formed.
  Christian
  '86 S2 Auto GP White


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From guy at benkins.com  Sat Dec  3 09:58:45 2005
From: guy at benkins.com (Guy Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:58:45 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
In-Reply-To: <002801c5f7e3$f54a20c0$b57bc054@Drivejay>
References: <003f01c5f7c7$b60e7300$0202a8c0@Christian>
	<002801c5f7e3$f54a20c0$b57bc054@Drivejay>
Message-ID: <200512030949.41837.guy@benkins.com>

Hi Christian/Jerry,

I am looking to do the same, and was thinking I could use the rear quarter 
glass as a mould and heat form the macralon over it. The small difference in 
shape should be accommodated by the gunge. I haven't actually done it yet, 
though! By the way, use macralon instead of perspex as it can sustain 
substantial impact without failure (4mm will survive a stone impact at 
50mph) and is also better in a fire. Also, make sure you use a UV stabilised 
sheet (most are) otherwise it 
will craze quickly in sunlight.

Best regards,

Guy

On Saturday 03 December 2005 08:31, Jerry De Weerdt wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> I changed my side windows to 3mm  thick plexi a few months ago. I made a
> mold based on the original one out of cardboard and just took it to the
> local plexiglass dealer. Cost me about 70 Euro. I'm doing the rear window
> in a few weeks. The quarter panels are more tricky because of their shape.
> I think you have to use lexan there because it's more flexible.
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Christian Williams
>   To: 928 SW Posse ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:09 AM
>   Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
>
>
>   I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and rear
> hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar. Has anyone had experience
> of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd recommend? Ultimately, I'd
> prefer it if the glass panels came supplied pre-cut and formed. Christian
>   '86 S2 Auto GP White
>
>
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From marton at befree.ch  Sat Dec  3 10:28:56 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:28:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
References: <003f01c5f7c7$b60e7300$0202a8c0@Christian><002801c5f7e3$f54a20c0$b57bc054@Drivejay>
	<200512030949.41837.guy@benkins.com>
Message-ID: <005901c5f7f4$5decad40$6401a8c0@simone>

biggest weight saving is replacing the rear hatch glass but most people seem
to run into the problem of the plastic blowing out at speed.  Maybe for
racing you could cover most of the hatch glass area with something strong
and light like aluminium sheet and just have a strip of clear plastic at the
top to be able to see behind?

Marton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Hawkins" <guy at benkins.com>
To: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>; "Christian Williams"
<christian.w at virgin.net>; "928 SW Posse" <swoop928 at smartgroups.com>;
<928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Plexi Glass


> Hi Christian/Jerry,
>
> I am looking to do the same, and was thinking I could use the rear quarter
> glass as a mould and heat form the macralon over it. The small difference
in
> shape should be accommodated by the gunge. I haven't actually done it yet,
> though! By the way, use macralon instead of perspex as it can sustain
> substantial impact without failure (4mm will survive a stone impact at
> 50mph) and is also better in a fire. Also, make sure you use a UV
stabilised
> sheet (most are) otherwise it
> will craze quickly in sunlight.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Guy
>
> On Saturday 03 December 2005 08:31, Jerry De Weerdt wrote:
> > Hi Christian,
> >
> > I changed my side windows to 3mm  thick plexi a few months ago. I made a
> > mold based on the original one out of cardboard and just took it to the
> > local plexiglass dealer. Cost me about 70 Euro. I'm doing the rear
window
> > in a few weeks. The quarter panels are more tricky because of their
shape.
> > I think you have to use lexan there because it's more flexible.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jerry
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Christian Williams
> >   To: 928 SW Posse ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:09 AM
> >   Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
> >
> >
> >   I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and
rear
> > hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar. Has anyone had
experience
> > of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd recommend? Ultimately,
I'd
> > prefer it if the glass panels came supplied pre-cut and formed.
Christian
> >   '86 S2 Auto GP White
> >
> >
>
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From christian.w at virgin.net  Sat Dec  3 14:25:12 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:25:12 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
References: <003f01c5f7c7$b60e7300$0202a8c0@Christian>
	<036c01c5f7de$f0b74470$a8d331cb@nick>
Message-ID: <002001c5f815$60127070$0202a8c0@Christian>

Seems like it's something a pile of you have done/considered before.
Nick, how did you manufacture the rear qtr's (as they're bowed), from what material and what thickness?
BTW the rear vertical support actually looks neat.

Christian
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Mckenna 
  To: Christian Williams 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Plexi Glass


  I've done it to my 928SE

  I had to DIY though.

  The rear 1/4 panels are a bitch to fit and you have to use thin stuff on the hatch to make big savings on weight. (hence the vertical support)

  Regards

  Nick


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Christian Williams 
    To: 928 SW Posse ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:09 PM
    Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass


    I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and rear hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar.
    Has anyone had experience of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd recommend? Ultimately, I'd prefer it if the glass panels came supplied pre-cut and formed.
    Christian
    '86 S2 Auto GP White


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From christian.w at virgin.net  Sat Dec  3 14:29:12 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:29:12 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
References: <003f01c5f7c7$b60e7300$0202a8c0@Christian>
	<002801c5f7e3$f54a20c0$b57bc054@Drivejay>
	<200512030949.41837.guy@benkins.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c5f815$eede87d0$0202a8c0@Christian>

Jerry/Guy
Thanks for the info, it's something I'll be doing for certain very shortly. Not relishing the rear qtr's though!
Christian
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Guy Hawkins 
  To: Jerry De Weerdt ; Christian Williams ; 928 SW Posse ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Plexi Glass


  Hi Christian/Jerry,

  I am looking to do the same, and was thinking I could use the rear quarter 
  glass as a mould and heat form the macralon over it. The small difference in 
  shape should be accommodated by the gunge. I haven't actually done it yet, 
  though! By the way, use macralon instead of perspex as it can sustain 
  substantial impact without failure (4mm will survive a stone impact at 
  50mph) and is also better in a fire. Also, make sure you use a UV stabilised 
  sheet (most are) otherwise it 
  will craze quickly in sunlight.

  Best regards,

  Guy

  On Saturday 03 December 2005 08:31, Jerry De Weerdt wrote:
  > Hi Christian,
  >
  > I changed my side windows to 3mm  thick plexi a few months ago. I made a
  > mold based on the original one out of cardboard and just took it to the
  > local plexiglass dealer. Cost me about 70 Euro. I'm doing the rear window
  > in a few weeks. The quarter panels are more tricky because of their shape.
  > I think you have to use lexan there because it's more flexible.
  >
  > Cheers,
  > Jerry
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Christian Williams
  >   To: 928 SW Posse ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  >   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:09 AM
  >   Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
  >
  >
  >   I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and rear
  > hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar. Has anyone had experience
  > of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd recommend? Ultimately, I'd
  > prefer it if the glass panels came supplied pre-cut and formed. Christian
  >   '86 S2 Auto GP White
  >
  >
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From jason.litchfield at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 16:32:50 2005
From: jason.litchfield at gmail.com (Jason Litchfield)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:32:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass
In-Reply-To: <003f01c5f7c7$b60e7300$0202a8c0@Christian>
Message-ID: <4391c8bf.5a14c958.1bf6.10ec@mx.gmail.com>

Hi Christian,

 

http://www.spektrproducts.com/

 

These guys manufacture and sell what you're looking for. May be of use.

 

Jason X

 

 

 

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Christian Williams
Sent: 03 December 2005 05:09
To: 928 SW Posse; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass

 

I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and rear
hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar.

Has anyone had experience of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd
recommend? Ultimately, I'd prefer it if the glass panels came supplied
pre-cut and formed.

Christian

'86 S2 Auto GP White

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From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Sat Dec  3 17:35:10 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:35:10 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Spotted - 60+ 928s
Message-ID: <OFD2EC6349.5AB4E390-ON802570CC.00605F03-802570CC.00609AB3@rockwellcollins.com>

Just wanted to say that it was great to see everybody at The Plough today, 
a brilliant turn out and great to see so many well cared for 928s in one 
place.
Cheers
Clive
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From alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Dec  3 18:10:13 2005
From: alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk (Alan Van Emden)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:10:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 7th Aniversary Meet
Message-ID: <003d01c5f834$d432e420$fd914e51@porscheman>

Just to say a big thanks to Andrew for organising another great meeting - 70 odd 928's and even the weather was reasonably kind to us.

Alan
Red 91 GT
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From marton at befree.ch  Sat Dec  3 20:02:27 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:02:27 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Plexi Glass
In-Reply-To: <4391c8bf.5a14c958.1bf6.10ec@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43735E9D008BFEE6@mta-fs-be-01.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

Looks excellent

 

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Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Jason Litchfield
Gesendet: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:33 PM
An: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: RE: [928uk] Plexi Glass

 

Hi Christian,

 

http://www.spektrproducts.com/

 

These guys manufacture and sell what you're looking for. May be of use.

 

Jason X

 

 

 

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Christian Williams
Sent: 03 December 2005 05:09
To: 928 SW Posse; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Plexi Glass

 

I'm thinking of changing the front side windows, rear quarters and rear
hatch glass on mine for Plexi Glass or similar.

Has anyone had experience of doing this and know of a manufacturer they'd
recommend? Ultimately, I'd prefer it if the glass panels came supplied
pre-cut and formed.

Christian

'86 S2 Auto GP White

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From ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Dec  3 20:32:23 2005
From: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk (Ian & Lynn)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:32:23 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 7th Aniversary Meet
References: <003d01c5f834$d432e420$fd914e51@porscheman>
Message-ID: <004a01c5f848$abebd3a0$0502a8c0@Orac>

Many thanks. Myself and my other half had a great day!

Best Regards

Ian & Lynn

Black S4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alan Van Emden 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:10 PM
  Subject: [928uk] 7th Aniversary Meet


  Just to say a big thanks to Andrew for organising another great meeting - 70 odd 928's and even the weather was reasonably kind to us.

  Alan
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From go928 at btinternet.com  Sat Dec  3 23:00:13 2005
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham 928)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:00:13 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Anniversary Meet
Message-ID: <002f01c5f85d$5b27a920$0100a8c0@Desktop>

Thanks to Andrew and everyone else involved in organising today's meet.  The
Plough was an excellent choice - good beer, good food and more parking
space, but will it be big enough next year?
 
An excellent day all round.
 
Thanks also to Clyde & Mrs Lennon for the work they have put into planning
"Euro 2006".  Program looks very promising, especially if a track day can be
added as well.
 
Graham (91 S4)
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From cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk  Sun Dec  4 10:58:42 2005
From: cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk (Clyde Lennon)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:58:42 -0000
Subject: [928uk] East Hendred & Euro 2006
Message-ID: <200512041056.jB4Au0Q25762@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Thanks for the great turnout on a cold winter?s and occasionally sunny day.
I believe the final count was 73 cars and around 90-95 people.  We?d
budgeted on 60-65.  Particular thanks for observing the terms for driving
through the village of East Hendred.  It is very tight!

 

We seemed to get consensus on the Euro 2006 proposal I put forward with the
excellent research and preparation by my wife Joanna.  Firstly a small
apology for an error, caused in part by not transcribing the rates
correctly.  I?d mentioned that we?d managed an incredible deal per head for
3 night?s B&B and Gala dinner in a 4 star hotel (large enough for us all)
for approximately ?50 per head sharing a room for two.  The real answer
should have been ?66, not ?50.  Not much more, but still a bargain where
parking, location and Gala dinner is concerned.  You?d be hard pressed to
beat that staying in a local 2-3 star budget accommodation.  At least if
everyone stays at the suggested hotel, we would all be in one place for
convenience and friendships.

 

We are now going to forge ahead and complete the master plan with firm
prices and numbers (minimum).  I have already added into the plan an extra
day (first day) as a whole day?s track day at Abingdon Airbase (it?s run by
an Army battalion).  This will be confirmed by Angus Dawes, son of Mike and
our non-928 friend who drives that sluggish M3!

 

On top of the track-day (let?s all wish Angus well in getting it done),  I
have created three Country Road Rallies  slots of between 3-5 hours each
across three days, giving a driving experience in keeping with the 928 for
all 4 days, for those who want a 928-Fest.  I have had one volunteer from
SWOOP and would like several people to offer to help to put together planned
and organised rallies with set rest/refreshment points, routes and timings.
I will issue a requirements list for each rally plan so we cover safety,
traffic, fuelling, repairs (hopefully none) and food/drink.  The roads
between Oxford and Wales are magnificent and enjoy sparse traffic, so we
ought to see some excellent countryside and fun driving without needing to
travel beyond reasonable legal speeds. We could even head south to the sea
and back, but we must try and avoid traffic at all times.

 

The first planned event at the BMW Mini factory needs to be booked and is
limited to 30 people per tour. BMW only offer two tours on a Friday (am and
pm).  Unless we get the numbers, we will aim to have just one tour on Friday
morning with the afternoon for a Rally or three.  Only early birds will get
places.  At all times, anyone not wanting to be inside a 928 or where the
928?s are, can always partake of the many attractions and events in Oxford
or shop at various ?English? places like the covered market in central
Oxford, or the Bicester Outlet Centre.

 

We will also get package prices for 2 nights B&B + Gala dinner, as well as
Gala dinner only for those not staying at the hotel, but wanting to attend
the Gala dinner.  I suspect a single night stay is not going to attract that
much of a discount, however if enough people only want to stay Saturday
night and attend the Gala dinner, please inform me ASAP.  My personal
suggestion is that to engender great friendships and know more about our
fellow enthusiasts, genuine time over a drink and a meal, along with plenty
of face time, other than the typed email, is a major plus.  It will or
should make the 928 live longer with cross border involvement from within
the UK and Europe.  We also intend offering the Euro 2006 to our friends in
USA, Australia and NZ.  I wouldn?t be surprised if a few turn up!

 

On Sunday, David Hemmings, Chris Clarke and Andrew Brierley have offered to
arrange an open day at PCGB HQ at Moreton-in-Marsh with a guest speaker or
two that will help promote the 928 as well as entertain us all.

 

We want to create a few in between events and surprises for all who attend
so that we get greater participation and awareness of one another.  Ideas
and assistance for all the above and the one-time small events and
activities is requested.  Sitting inside a car and or behind a PC keyboard
does not make us more involved and adds another dimension to the event.  We
want to make it memorable and fun for everyone.  Once issued, the final plan
(without the small activities) will be issued for web and distribution.  It
will include requests for specific assistance and all offers gratefully
received.  

 

My thanks to all and sundry who participated yesterday and to those who have
offered to assist us put this together and promote it to be a fun and great
event.

 

Kindest regards,

 

Clyde Lennon             

Home:   +44 (0) 1865 820 155

Mobile:  +44 (0) 7887 946 912

 

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From willsco at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 11:14:47 2005
From: willsco at gmail.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:14:47 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 7th Anniversary meet - 9two8 site update
Message-ID: <4392cfa9.7bd99ecb.5a26.42d4@mx.gmail.com>

Great day yesterday - may thanks for the great organisation

Web site updated with brief report and photos from the day

www.9two8.com - see the news section on right hand column

regards

Mike W
'79 Auto


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From ronald.smith at onetel.net  Sun Dec  4 11:43:38 2005
From: ronald.smith at onetel.net (Ron Smith)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:43:38 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
Message-ID: <001501c5f8c7$f8067400$19854ed5@RonsPC>

A very big thank you to Andrew for organising the day.  As others have
said, it was a good location.  It was great to meet up with people on
the list that you know by name but only meet up with very occasionally,
and seeing interesting one-offs - like the diesel-powered 928.
Once again thank you; looking forward to the next occasion.
Regards, Ron
Ron Smith of Ashtead 
85 S2 auto, Iris Blue
 




From chris_byham at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 12:08:04 2005
From: chris_byham at yahoo.com (Chris Byham)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:08:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [928uk] East Hendred & Euro 2006
In-Reply-To: <200512041056.jB4Au0Q25762@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20051204120804.81643.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com>

 Clyde,

I wasn't there yesterday, and am new to the list (so may have missed previous discusions), so could you say when you're proposing to hold this event (other than during 2006!)?

Cheers,

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From cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk  Sun Dec  4 14:15:50 2005
From: cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk (Clyde Lennon)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:15:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Euro 2006 Dates
Message-ID: <200512041413.jB4EDDQ04021@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

For everyone not at East Hendred and to clarify the intended date for the
event:

 

Euro 2006 dates from Thursday 1st June 'til Sunday 4th June.

 

Clyde Lennon             

Home:   +44 (0) 1865 820 155

Mobile:  +44 (0) 7887 946 912

 

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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 16:34:00 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:34:00 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Parts list .pdf online
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512040834i41ce0d09v@mail.gmail.com>

For those in need...

http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/classic/classic-originalparts/originalparts-originalparts/

Downloadable parts lists for classic Porsches. Select the required model
from the drop-down list, select the year, and a .pdf parts list will open in
a new window. Each list is 4.5 - 6.5mb.

- Graham
'84 Strosek S2
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 18:11:14 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:11:14 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Parts list .pdf online
In-Reply-To: <ac85f1f90512040834i41ce0d09v@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac85f1f90512040834i41ce0d09v@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512041011t391937f1w4b4ea1f5ac05389f@mail.gmail.com>

Brilliant Graham many thanks!

This is particularly useful to anyone who wants to be able to check parts
before ordering while at work if they are unable (or think it unwise) to
install PET on their work pc.

Cheers

Paul


On 12/4/05, Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For those in need...
>
> http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/classic/classic-originalparts/originalparts-originalparts/
>
>
> Downloadable parts lists for classic Porsches. Select the required model
> from the drop-down list, select the year, and a .pdf parts list will open in
> a new window. Each list is 4.5 - 6.5mb.
>
> - Graham
> '84 Strosek S2
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Dec  4 18:49:03 2005
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:49:03 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
References: <001501c5f8c7$f8067400$19854ed5@RonsPC>
Message-ID: <006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>

It was a pleasure to organise, I am pleased it was so successful.

The main thanks must go to Clyde for arranging the venue, thanks very much
Clyde.

I think the final count was around 70 cars, we know for sure it was 65 plus,
it became difficult to keep an accurate tally later on as people left and
arrived. One chap turned up at 4.30p.m. So I'm sure the final tally of 73
cars seems about right.

Anybody got the time and the inclination to write up the event  for GT
Purely Porsche? In order to make the next mag they want a 200 word write-up
with photos for Tuesday. If anyone can do it in time mail me off list and
I'll send you details of who to send it to.

Andrew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Smith" <ronald.smith at onetel.net>
To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


> A very big thank you to Andrew for organising the day.  As others have
> said, it was a good location.  It was great to meet up with people on
> the list that you know by name but only meet up with very occasionally,
> and seeing interesting one-offs - like the diesel-powered 928.
> Once again thank you; looking forward to the next occasion.
> Regards, Ron
> Ron Smith of Ashtead
> 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:57:00 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:00 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack
Message-ID: <98697a430512041157v499b5978p6dfca32da5a88ecc@mail.gmail.com>

Can't remember who was asking about steering rack repairs yesterday but
check the following:

eBay item number 8018893665

I know the core charge and shipping will make a difference, but the base
price is very good.

Paul
87 S4 Manual
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From pierreweidemann at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 23:12:23 2005
From: pierreweidemann at yahoo.com (Pierre Weidemann)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:12:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [928uk] Ceramic Brakes for 928s?
Message-ID: <20051204231223.60108.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

I would love to hear members comments and thoughts on Ceramic Brake pads ... I happen to have a 1986 928s  with ABS... Are the brakes worth it?  what is the percentage price increase and also percentage brake life increase from stock pads?  What brands are recomemded?
   
  thanks all
   
   
  pierre
  in Los Angeles
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 23:46:53 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:46:53 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
In-Reply-To: <006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>
References: <001501c5f8c7$f8067400$19854ed5@RonsPC>
	<006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <98697a430512041546n47a395c5y18168fbb3f2949e3@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks again to Andrew for the organisation, and thanks to Clyde for
suggesting the venue which was ideal.

I've posted a few pictures on the 928.org.uk server, I doubt any are good
enough for publication in GT Purely Porsche, but the uncompressed originals
are available if anyone is interested.

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/dec05/

Cheers

Paul
87 S4 Manual

PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Dec  5 00:27:05 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:27:05 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
Message-ID: <20051205002705.BFF48731821@viper.snap.net.nz>

I wondered who owned the diesel, now we know "the owner was adam ant...."

Smiffy

> Thanks again to Andrew for the organisation, and thanks to Clyde for
> suggesting the venue which was ideal.
> 
> I've posted a few pictures on the 928.org.uk server, I doubt any are good
> enough for publication in GT Purely Porsche, but the uncompressed 
originals
> are available if anyone is interested.
> 
> http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/dec05/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
> 
> PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet
> 





From mike at dawe.com  Mon Dec  5 00:27:57 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:27:57 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
In-Reply-To: <006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFIECHCHAA.mike@dawe.com>

Thank you all for a great get together on Saturday last at the Plough,East
Hendred.So many people so many cars! Car was a joy to drive for over 500
miles.....Today (Sunday)I whizzed up from Newbury on the A34 and the A44 to
PCGB at Moreton,showed Andrew that I did have a brown 928 (He had missed it
at the Plough,and was beginning to think that it was a figment of my
imagination!) and crossed via Stow towards Tewkesbury. Then up the M5 and
the M50 to Ross and Abergavenny then the Heads of the Valleys road (which is
brilliant in places: the Neath Valley in the setting sun is worth a drive to
see....)and on to the M4 and dual carriageway to Carmarthen. The roads were
dryish and I drove quite fast when and where I could. A feast of empty
dual-carriageways........ Then a quick half hour semi-alpine squirt to
Cardigan. I arrived fresh and relaxed. These early cars have engines like
turbines and are slighly softer sprung than some later models and are ideal
for this sort of trip. Toyo Proxes bloody good too.....Mike (T)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Andrew Brierley
Sent: 04 December 2005 18:49
To: 928 list
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


It was a pleasure to organise, I am pleased it was so successful.

The main thanks must go to Clyde for arranging the venue, thanks very much
Clyde.

I think the final count was around 70 cars, we know for sure it was 65 plus,
it became difficult to keep an accurate tally later on as people left and
arrived. One chap turned up at 4.30p.m. So I'm sure the final tally of 73
cars seems about right.

Anybody got the time and the inclination to write up the event  for GT
Purely Porsche? In order to make the next mag they want a 200 word write-up
with photos for Tuesday. If anyone can do it in time mail me off list and
I'll send you details of who to send it to.

Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Smith" <ronald.smith at onetel.net>
To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


> A very big thank you to Andrew for organising the day.  As others have
> said, it was a good location.  It was great to meet up with people on
> the list that you know by name but only meet up with very occasionally,
> and seeing interesting one-offs - like the diesel-powered 928.
> Once again thank you; looking forward to the next occasion.
> Regards, Ron
> Ron Smith of Ashtead
> 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


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928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 08:59:43 2005
From: nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk (Nick tinworth)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:59:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] 928 Spotted in Essex
Message-ID: <20051205085943.20039.qmail@web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

On saturday evening around 5:00pm at the roundabout between Bishops Stortford and Stansted M11. Got stuck at the traffic lights so could not follow.
   
  Is it anyone on the list.
   
  Very nice car

		
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From trevor928 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 09:05:59 2005
From: trevor928 at yahoo.co.uk (Trevor Peddle)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:05:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
In-Reply-To: <006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20051205090559.63557.qmail@web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Big thanks to Andrew and Clyde for organising, another excellent day.
   
  Trevor

Andrew Brierley <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
  It was a pleasure to organise, I am pleased it was so successful.

The main thanks must go to Clyde for arranging the venue, thanks very much
Clyde.

I think the final count was around 70 cars, we know for sure it was 65 plus,
it became difficult to keep an accurate tally later on as people left and
arrived. One chap turned up at 4.30p.m. So I'm sure the final tally of 73
cars seems about right.

Anybody got the time and the inclination to write up the event for GT
Purely Porsche? In order to make the next mag they want a 200 word write-up
with photos for Tuesday. If anyone can do it in time mail me off list and
I'll send you details of who to send it to.

Andrew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Smith" 
To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


> A very big thank you to Andrew for organising the day. As others have
> said, it was a good location. It was great to meet up with people on
> the list that you know by name but only meet up with very occasionally,
> and seeing interesting one-offs - like the diesel-powered 928.
> Once again thank you; looking forward to the next occasion.
> Regards, Ron
> Ron Smith of Ashtead
> 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


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From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 09:22:07 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:22:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] West London Interior Trimmers
Message-ID: <20051205092207.94847.qmail@web86801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

It was great to see so many 928s in one place on Saturday! Well done to the organisers! It was a great venue and I had a great time.
   
  Somebody mentioned interior trimmers in West London - my GT needs the driver's seat's bolster and actual seat re-trimmed. I am quite happy to take it apart and out of the car, but I need to know where to take it.
   
  Thanks in advance,
   
  Alex
   
  P.S. I am glad I won the unofficial contest for the dirtiest 928 on the day :)

		
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Mon Dec  5 11:52:08 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:52:08 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
In-Reply-To: <98697a430512041546n47a395c5y18168fbb3f2949e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001501c5f8c7$f8067400$19854ed5@RonsPC>
	<006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>
	<98697a430512041546n47a395c5y18168fbb3f2949e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133783528.1794.249016532@webmail.messagingengine.com>

"PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet"

only because i couldn't make it, lol, sounds like a great time had by
all, maybe next year.

Joe



----- Original message -----
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:46:53 +0000
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005

Thanks again to Andrew for the organisation, and thanks to Clyde for
suggesting the venue which was ideal.

I've posted a few pictures on the 928.org.uk server, I doubt any are
good
enough for publication in GT Purely Porsche, but the uncompressed
originals
are available if anyone is interested.

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/dec05/

Cheers

Paul
87 S4 Manual

PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet


From Garfield.Smith at cms-cmck.com  Mon Dec  5 12:07:55 2005
From: Garfield.Smith at cms-cmck.com (Smith, Garfield)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:07:55 -0000
Subject: [928uk] RE: 928uk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
Message-ID: <50AD4E8A4BA3414583FFE2A7FC5108F704586363@lon285.cmck.com>


I'm still looking for a 928 and my preference is for the following spec...

- S2
- Silver
- Under 115,000 miles.

Anyone have or know of one for sale ?

Garfield

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of 928uk-request at 928.org.uk
Sent: 05 December 2005 12:00
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: 928uk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: East Hendred & Euro 2006 (Chris Byham)
   2. Euro 2006 Dates (Clyde Lennon)
   3. 928 Parts list .pdf online (Graham Manning)
   4. Re: 928 Parts list .pdf online (Paul)
   5. Re: Saturday 3rd December 2005 (Andrew Brierley)
   6. Steering Rack (Paul)
   7. Ceramic Brakes for 928s? (Pierre Weidemann)
   8. Re: Saturday 3rd December 2005 (Paul)
   9. Re: Saturday 3rd December 2005 (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
  10. RE: Saturday 3rd December 2005 (Mike Dawe)
  11. 928 Spotted in Essex (Nick tinworth)
  12. Re: Saturday 3rd December 2005 (Trevor Peddle)
  13. West London Interior Trimmers (Alexander Popov)
  14. Owners Manual anyone? (C J)
  15. Re: Saturday 3rd December 2005 (Joe Farman)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:08:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Byham <chris_byham at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [928uk] East Hendred & Euro 2006
To: Clyde Lennon <cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk>, 928uk at 928.org.uk
Message-ID: <20051204120804.81643.qmail at web50810.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

 Clyde,

I wasn't there yesterday, and am new to the list (so may have missed previous discusions), so could you say when you're proposing to hold this event (other than during 2006!)?

Cheers,

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:15:50 -0000
From: "Clyde Lennon" <cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [928uk] Euro 2006 Dates
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <200512041413.jB4EDDQ04021 at raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

For everyone not at East Hendred and to clarify the intended date for the
event:

 

Euro 2006 dates from Thursday 1st June 'til Sunday 4th June.

 

Clyde Lennon             

Home:   +44 (0) 1865 820 155

Mobile:  +44 (0) 7887 946 912

 

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Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:34:00 +0000
From: Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
Subject: [928uk] 928 Parts list .pdf online
To: 928GB <928GB at yahoogroups.com>, 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512040834i41ce0d09v at mail.gmail.com>
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For those in need...

http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/classic/classic-originalparts/originalparts-originalparts/

Downloadable parts lists for classic Porsches. Select the required model
from the drop-down list, select the year, and a .pdf parts list will open in
a new window. Each list is 4.5 - 6.5mb.

- Graham
'84 Strosek S2
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:11:14 +0000
From: Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Parts list .pdf online
To: Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
Cc: 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk>
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Brilliant Graham many thanks!

This is particularly useful to anyone who wants to be able to check parts
before ordering while at work if they are unable (or think it unwise) to
install PET on their work pc.

Cheers

Paul


On 12/4/05, Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For those in need...
>
> http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/classic/classic-originalparts/originalparts-originalparts/
>
>
> Downloadable parts lists for classic Porsches. Select the required model
> from the drop-down list, select the year, and a .pdf parts list will open in
> a new window. Each list is 4.5 - 6.5mb.
>
> - Graham
> '84 Strosek S2
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:49:03 -0000
From: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0 at oemcomputer>
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It was a pleasure to organise, I am pleased it was so successful.

The main thanks must go to Clyde for arranging the venue, thanks very much
Clyde.

I think the final count was around 70 cars, we know for sure it was 65 plus,
it became difficult to keep an accurate tally later on as people left and
arrived. One chap turned up at 4.30p.m. So I'm sure the final tally of 73
cars seems about right.

Anybody got the time and the inclination to write up the event  for GT
Purely Porsche? In order to make the next mag they want a 200 word write-up
with photos for Tuesday. If anyone can do it in time mail me off list and
I'll send you details of who to send it to.

Andrew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Smith" <ronald.smith at onetel.net>
To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


> A very big thank you to Andrew for organising the day.  As others have
> said, it was a good location.  It was great to meet up with people on
> the list that you know by name but only meet up with very occasionally,
> and seeing interesting one-offs - like the diesel-powered 928.
> Once again thank you; looking forward to the next occasion.
> Regards, Ron
> Ron Smith of Ashtead
> 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:57:00 +0000
From: Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
Subject: [928uk] Steering Rack
To: 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Message-ID:
	<98697a430512041157v499b5978p6dfca32da5a88ecc at mail.gmail.com>
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Can't remember who was asking about steering rack repairs yesterday but
check the following:

eBay item number 8018893665

I know the core charge and shipping will make a difference, but the base
price is very good.

Paul
87 S4 Manual
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:12:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Pierre Weidemann <pierreweidemann at yahoo.com>
Subject: [928uk] Ceramic Brakes for 928s?
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
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I would love to hear members comments and thoughts on Ceramic Brake pads ... I happen to have a 1986 928s  with ABS... Are the brakes worth it?  what is the percentage price increase and also percentage brake life increase from stock pads?  What brands are recomemded?
   
  thanks all
   
   
  pierre
  in Los Angeles
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:46:53 +0000
From: Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
To: Andrew Brierley <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>
Cc: 928 list <928uk at 928.org.uk>
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Thanks again to Andrew for the organisation, and thanks to Clyde for
suggesting the venue which was ideal.

I've posted a few pictures on the 928.org.uk server, I doubt any are good
enough for publication in GT Purely Porsche, but the uncompressed originals
are available if anyone is interested.

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/dec05/

Cheers

Paul
87 S4 Manual

PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:27:05 GMT
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20051205002705.BFF48731821 at viper.snap.net.nz>

I wondered who owned the diesel, now we know "the owner was adam ant...."

Smiffy

> Thanks again to Andrew for the organisation, and thanks to Clyde for
> suggesting the venue which was ideal.
> 
> I've posted a few pictures on the 928.org.uk server, I doubt any are good
> enough for publication in GT Purely Porsche, but the uncompressed 
originals
> are available if anyone is interested.
> 
> http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/dec05/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
> 
> PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet
> 





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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:27:57 -0000
From: "Mike Dawe" <mike at dawe.com>
Subject: RE: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>,	"928 list"
	<928uk at 928.org.uk>
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Thank you all for a great get together on Saturday last at the Plough,East
Hendred.So many people so many cars! Car was a joy to drive for over 500
miles.....Today (Sunday)I whizzed up from Newbury on the A34 and the A44 to
PCGB at Moreton,showed Andrew that I did have a brown 928 (He had missed it
at the Plough,and was beginning to think that it was a figment of my
imagination!) and crossed via Stow towards Tewkesbury. Then up the M5 and
the M50 to Ross and Abergavenny then the Heads of the Valleys road (which is
brilliant in places: the Neath Valley in the setting sun is worth a drive to
see....)and on to the M4 and dual carriageway to Carmarthen. The roads were
dryish and I drove quite fast when and where I could. A feast of empty
dual-carriageways........ Then a quick half hour semi-alpine squirt to
Cardigan. I arrived fresh and relaxed. These early cars have engines like
turbines and are slighly softer sprung than some later models and are ideal
for this sort of trip. Toyo Proxes bloody good too.....Mike (T)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Andrew Brierley
Sent: 04 December 2005 18:49
To: 928 list
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


It was a pleasure to organise, I am pleased it was so successful.

The main thanks must go to Clyde for arranging the venue, thanks very much
Clyde.

I think the final count was around 70 cars, we know for sure it was 65 plus,
it became difficult to keep an accurate tally later on as people left and
arrived. One chap turned up at 4.30p.m. So I'm sure the final tally of 73
cars seems about right.

Anybody got the time and the inclination to write up the event  for GT
Purely Porsche? In order to make the next mag they want a 200 word write-up
with photos for Tuesday. If anyone can do it in time mail me off list and
I'll send you details of who to send it to.

Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Smith" <ronald.smith at onetel.net>
To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


> A very big thank you to Andrew for organising the day.  As others have
> said, it was a good location.  It was great to meet up with people on
> the list that you know by name but only meet up with very occasionally,
> and seeing interesting one-offs - like the diesel-powered 928.
> Once again thank you; looking forward to the next occasion.
> Regards, Ron
> Ron Smith of Ashtead
> 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:59:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: Nick tinworth <nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [928uk] 928 Spotted in Essex
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Message-ID: <20051205085943.20039.qmail at web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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On saturday evening around 5:00pm at the roundabout between Bishops Stortford and Stansted M11. Got stuck at the traffic lights so could not follow.
   
  Is it anyone on the list.
   
  Very nice car

		
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:05:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: Trevor Peddle <trevor928 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
To: Andrew Brierley <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>, 928 list
	<928uk at 928.org.uk>
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Big thanks to Andrew and Clyde for organising, another excellent day.
   
  Trevor

Andrew Brierley <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
  It was a pleasure to organise, I am pleased it was so successful.

The main thanks must go to Clyde for arranging the venue, thanks very much
Clyde.

I think the final count was around 70 cars, we know for sure it was 65 plus,
it became difficult to keep an accurate tally later on as people left and
arrived. One chap turned up at 4.30p.m. So I'm sure the final tally of 73
cars seems about right.

Anybody got the time and the inclination to write up the event for GT
Purely Porsche? In order to make the next mag they want a 200 word write-up
with photos for Tuesday. If anyone can do it in time mail me off list and
I'll send you details of who to send it to.

Andrew

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Smith" 
To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005


> A very big thank you to Andrew for organising the day. As others have
> said, it was a good location. It was great to meet up with people on
> the list that you know by name but only meet up with very occasionally,
> and seeing interesting one-offs - like the diesel-powered 928.
> Once again thank you; looking forward to the next occasion.
> Regards, Ron
> Ron Smith of Ashtead
> 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:22:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Alexander Popov <alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [928uk] West London Interior Trimmers
To: 928GB <928gb at yahoogroups.com>, 928uk at 928.org.uk
Message-ID: <20051205092207.94847.qmail at web86801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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It was great to see so many 928s in one place on Saturday! Well done to the organisers! It was a great venue and I had a great time.
   
  Somebody mentioned interior trimmers in West London - my GT needs the driver's seat's bolster and actual seat re-trimmed. I am quite happy to take it apart and out of the car, but I need to know where to take it.
   
  Thanks in advance,
   
  Alex
   
  P.S. I am glad I won the unofficial contest for the dirtiest 928 on the day :)

		
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:06:09 +0000
From: "C J" <cjbizman at hotmail.com>
Subject: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Message-ID: <BAY106-F222AB6E46CE4A857C71E00D5480 at phx.gbl>
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Hi
I have just become the proud owner of my first 928 & am having a great time so far.  I wonderd if anyone has an owners manual for my 1980 928 or knows where I can get hold of one?  I have bought a few CD workshop manuals but need some help with some of the controls, like how tp open the rear tailgate 
from the inside without having to stop the car & use the ignition key?

I am starting from scratch so any guidence would be appreciated.
Thanks

Steve




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:52:08 +0000
From: "Joe Farman" <joe_icecool at fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
To: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
Cc: 928 list <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1133783528.1794.249016532 at webmail.messagingengine.com>
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"PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet"

only because i couldn't make it, lol, sounds like a great time had by
all, maybe next year.

Joe



----- Original message -----
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:46:53 +0000
Subject: Re: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005

Thanks again to Andrew for the organisation, and thanks to Clyde for
suggesting the venue which was ideal.

I've posted a few pictures on the 928.org.uk server, I doubt any are
good
enough for publication in GT Purely Porsche, but the uncompressed
originals
are available if anyone is interested.

http://www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35/dec05/

Cheers

Paul
87 S4 Manual

PS I claim the prize for the filthiest car at the meet


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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Mon Dec  5 11:49:20 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:49:20 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
References: <001501c5f8c7$f8067400$19854ed5@RonsPC><006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer><98697a430512041546n47a395c5y18168fbb3f2949e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133783528.1794.249016532@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <002301c5f991$eddbb420$13528b56@btconnect.com>

Sorry to have missed all you guys and gals...

...turned up at the M4 Leigh Delemar meeting place to find a small coolant
leak, nothing serious, but with the
weather it was a diciding factor to turn back, i did not relish the thought
of being stuck on the hard shoulder
in the p$!sing rain as Theo was also with me... he also caught the flu this
weekend too.

glad to hear all had fun and the weather cleared...ish. also glad a local
chap to us south west'ers may have a
new guy in town, Darrell in Warminster has a fond interest in Walts S4...
see what come of that one.

hope to see you all in the New Year.

all the best
Rich
'87 Strosek SC



From tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 12:26:11 2005
From: tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk (thomas mather)
Date: Mon,  5 Dec 2005 13:26:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
Message-ID: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate and bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche? 
If not -name of a suitable supplier?
Tom
94 GTS 
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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 13:39:32 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:39:32 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Saturday 3rd December 2005
In-Reply-To: <002301c5f991$eddbb420$13528b56@btconnect.com>
References: <001501c5f8c7$f8067400$19854ed5@RonsPC>
	<006c01c5f903$67f2a320$0a01a8c0@oemcomputer>
	<98697a430512041546n47a395c5y18168fbb3f2949e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133783528.1794.249016532@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<002301c5f991$eddbb420$13528b56@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512050539gbdcc022m@mail.gmail.com>

I too am sorry not to have made it this weekend. It would've been great to
meet up and chat with everyone - I even had a lift arranged (my car
*might*have made it, but equally it might not...) Good to hear
everyone had a great
time.

- Graham
'84 Strosek S2



On 05/12/05, Fullworx Int. Ltd. <fullworx at btconnect.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry to have missed all you guys and gals...
>
> ...turned up at the M4 Leigh Delemar meeting place to find a small coolant
> leak, nothing serious, but with the
> weather it was a diciding factor to turn back, i did not relish the
> thought
> of being stuck on the hard shoulder
> in the p$!sing rain as Theo was also with me... he also caught the flu
> this
> weekend too.
>
> glad to hear all had fun and the weather cleared...ish. also glad a local
> chap to us south west'ers may have a
> new guy in town, Darrell in Warminster has a fond interest in Walts S4...
> see what come of that one.
>
> hope to see you all in the New Year.
>
> all the best
> Rich
> '87 Strosek SC
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 13:59:50 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:59:50 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F222AB6E46CE4A857C71E00D5480@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-F222AB6E46CE4A857C71E00D5480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512050559h31b7c3d2n@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

You should be able to order one from Porsche - order no. is WKD468920 for
the 928 and WKD469320 for the 928S.

Cheers,
Graham


On 28/11/05, C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have just become the proud owner of my first 928 & am having a great
> time
> so far.  I wonderd if anyone has an owners manual for my 1980 928 or knows
> where I can get hold of one?  I have bought a few CD workshop manuals but
> need some help with some of the controls, like how tp open the rear
> tailgate
> from the inside without having to stop the car & use the ignition key?
>
> I am starting from scratch so any guidence would be appreciated.
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
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From waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 16:15:31 2005
From: waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk (waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:15:31 +0000
Subject: [928uk] December 3rd meet
Message-ID: <4366F1F1000BFA39@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

Many thanks to Andrew and co for a very enjoyable day, driving there down
the m6/m40 in a convoy of 6 928's was a great sight.
it was also great to put faces to email addresses,and well done to the chap
who took loads of pics,
My car ( the marine blue s4 for sale ), a deal has been agreed by handshake
to a chap called Darrel who has been looking for a list members car for some
time now,he is coming to my house this saturday, bankers draft in hand to
buy.
It will be pretty emotional seeing my 928s4 go, and i felt my bottle crashing
when the chap started talking figures in close vicinity to my asking price,
i have spent a lot of sweat tears and money on the car and to be honest its
the best thing i have ever bought,i suppose at the back of my heart i am
kind of hoping the guy doesnt show,just need to wait and see.
anyway guys thanks for a brill day
regards walt 87s4 


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From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec  5 16:49:39 2005
From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:49:39 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
Message-ID: <20051205164939.NXQP11396.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

No remote boot release until the S2, I'm afraid, unless you fancy buying all the bits and retrofitting it, and even then it's one of the less reliable parts of the car.

928 International list the owners manuals in their online shop (US). http://www.928intl.com/

HTH

Nick C
> 
> From: Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
> Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 01:59:50 GMT
> To: C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com>
> CC: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
> 
> Steve,
> 
> You should be able to order one from Porsche - order no. is WKD468920 for
> the 928 and WKD469320 for the 928S.
> 
> Cheers,
> Graham
> 
> 
> On 28/11/05, C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > I have just become the proud owner of my first 928 & am having a great
> > time
> > so far.  I wonderd if anyone has an owners manual for my 1980 928 or knows
> > where I can get hold of one?  I have bought a few CD workshop manuals but
> > need some help with some of the controls, like how tp open the rear
> > tailgate
> > from the inside without having to stop the car & use the ignition key?
> >
> > I am starting from scratch so any guidence would be appreciated.
> > Thanks
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> >
> 
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From trevor928 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 17:00:15 2005
From: trevor928 at yahoo.co.uk (Trevor Peddle)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:00:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] PDF Link
Message-ID: <20051205170015.9929.qmail@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Can someone let me have the PET PDF link that was posted today as I have managed to delete it !
   
  Thanks
   
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From richdunn at onetel.com  Mon Dec  5 17:34:37 2005
From: richdunn at onetel.com (richdunn at onetel.com)
Date: Mon,  5 Dec 2005 17:34:37 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
Message-ID: <20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>

Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine as the
load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I used OPC.
Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.



Quoting thomas mather <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>:

> I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate 
> and bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
> If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> Tom
> 94 GTS




From dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 17:51:38 2005
From: dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk (Dave Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:51:38 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
	<20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
Message-ID: <00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>

I've seen it suggested that this is not a good idea as the rear struts are 
more powerful than the bonnet struts, due to the heavy glass tailgate, and 
can result in a bent bonnet! I don't know if this is true though, just what 
I have read.

Dave
86 S2 5Spd

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <richdunn at onetel.com>
To: <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts


> Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine as 
> the
> load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I used 
> OPC.
> Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.
>
>
>
> Quoting thomas mather <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>:
>
>> I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate and 
>> bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
>> If not -name of a suitable supplier?
>> Tom
>> 94 GTS
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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>
>
>
>
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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Mon Dec  5 18:32:49 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:32:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
	<20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
Message-ID: <00ac01c5f9ce$b2fe0be0$02000003@oemcomputer>

DO NOT DO THIS !!!

The rear struts are far more powerful than the fronts.

I replaced all 4 of mine a year or so ago.  The original rears were so
weakened that they would not hold the hatch open - BUT - they were still
significantly stronger than the brand new struts for the bonnet.

A complete set of 4 can be had from Bert at Berlyn for less than ?100
including postage.  A new bonnet will cost you a huge amount more than
this :0(

It's your car so your choice, but my advice would be don't do it :0)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richdunn at onetel.com
  To: tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 05 December 2005 17:34
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts


  Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine
as the
  load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I
used OPC.
  Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.



  Quoting thomas mather <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>:

  > I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate
  > and bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
  > If not -name of a suitable supplier?
  > Tom
  > 94 GTS


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From guy at benkins.com  Mon Dec  5 19:05:48 2005
From: guy at benkins.com (Guy Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:05:48 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
	<20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
	<00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>
Message-ID: <200512051905.48056.guy@benkins.com>

Yes!!!

I have done this and there is a pronounced curve in the bonnet!! Thankfully it 
is still elastic, so no permanent deformation to the bonnet when the struts 
were removed. I am alos looking for a source of struts.

Guy
84S2 auto

On Monday 05 December 2005 17:51, Dave Hamilton wrote:
> I've seen it suggested that this is not a good idea as the rear struts are
> more powerful than the bonnet struts, due to the heavy glass tailgate, and
> can result in a bent bonnet! I don't know if this is true though, just what
> I have read.
>
> Dave
> 86 S2 5Spd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <richdunn at onetel.com>
> To: <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>
> Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
>
> > Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine as
> > the
> > load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I used
> > OPC.
> > Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.
> >
> > Quoting thomas mather <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>:
> >> I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate and
> >> bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
> >> If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> >> Tom
> >> 94 GTS
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From richdunn at onetel.com  Mon Dec  5 19:18:49 2005
From: richdunn at onetel.com (richdunn at onetel.com)
Date: Mon,  5 Dec 2005 19:18:49 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
	<20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
	<00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>
Message-ID: <20051205191849.7yj3q9h6o4wgk0c0@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>

Worked fine for me... the theory being that a knackered rear strut is now only
as strong as a new front one. I'm sure what you say is right when sustituting
new for new though. Btw, I got the tip from PCGB.
  Regds, Rich D.



  Quoting Dave Hamilton <dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk>:

> I've seen it suggested that this is not a good idea as the rear struts are
> more powerful than the bonnet struts, due to the heavy glass tailgate, and
> can result in a bent bonnet! I don't know if this is true though, just what
> I have read.
>
> Dave
> 86 S2 5Spd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <richdunn at onetel.com>
> To: <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>
> Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
>
>
>> Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine as the
>> load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I used OPC.
>> Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.
>>
>>
>>



From guy at benkins.com  Mon Dec  5 19:38:14 2005
From: guy at benkins.com (Guy Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:38:14 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <20051205191849.7yj3q9h6o4wgk0c0@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
	<00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>
	<20051205191849.7yj3q9h6o4wgk0c0@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051938.14427.guy@benkins.com>

My rear struts were too weak to hold the tailgate, but still bowed the bonnet.
Be really careful!!

Guy
84S2 auto

On Monday 05 December 2005 19:18, richdunn at onetel.com wrote:
> Worked fine for me... the theory being that a knackered rear strut is now
> only as strong as a new front one. I'm sure what you say is right when
> sustituting new for new though. Btw, I got the tip from PCGB.
>   Regds, Rich D.
>
>   Quoting Dave Hamilton <dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk>:
> > I've seen it suggested that this is not a good idea as the rear struts
> > are more powerful than the bonnet struts, due to the heavy glass
> > tailgate, and can result in a bent bonnet! I don't know if this is true
> > though, just what I have read.
> >
> > Dave
> > 86 S2 5Spd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <richdunn at onetel.com>
> > To: <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
> >
> >> Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine as
> >> the load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I
> >> used OPC. Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec  5 19:47:18 2005
From: fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr (fred.flintstone)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:47:18 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
Message-ID: <000401c5f9d4$b40274d0$0b01a8c0@VaioNote>

Any suggestions ?????? ;-(

My 928 has been 'out of action' for the past 8/9 weeks whilst I was doing up
the bodywork.

It started fine (every time) before but now it just doesn't want to
co-operate.  I have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.

The only connection I 'messed with' was the temperature sensor (inside front
left wheel arch) but this seems to be OK.

Any suggestions - battery is fully charged.

Thanks,

Daniel
Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH 




From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Mon Dec  5 20:00:47 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:00:47 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c5f9ce$b2fe0be0$02000003@oemcomputer>
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>
	<20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
	<00ac01c5f9ce$b2fe0be0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1133812847.29227.249057399@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Nick Mckenna in Oz bought a job lot a while back he may have some sets
left, maybe even cheaper for a few to combine postage for a few sets
between you, i have a couple of sets reserved from him but they wil be
quite a while before they are posted as i'm waiting for other items from
Oz to be sent to Nick before he sends them with the struts.

Joe


----- Original message -----
From: "George Layton" <George.Layton at ukgateway.net>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:32:49 -0000
Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts

DO NOT DO THIS !!!

The rear struts are far more powerful than the fronts.

I replaced all 4 of mine a year or so ago.  The original rears were so
weakened that they would not hold the hatch open - BUT - they were still
significantly stronger than the brand new struts for the bonnet.

A complete set of 4 can be had from Bert at Berlyn for less than ?100
including postage.  A new bonnet will cost you a huge amount more than
this :0(

It's your car so your choice, but my advice would be don't do it :0)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richdunn at onetel.com
  To: tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 05 December 2005 17:34
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts


  Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine
as the
  load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I
used OPC.
  Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.



  Quoting thomas mather <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>:

  > I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate
  > and bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
  > If not -name of a suitable supplier?
  > Tom
  > 94 GTS


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From paul at paullacey.com  Mon Dec  5 20:13:26 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:13:26 -0000
Subject: [928uk] PDF Link
In-Reply-To: <20051205170015.9929.qmail@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAA8u3sjY00XE6reyk9q4vleQEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/classic/classic-original
parts/originalparts-originalparts/
 
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Trevor Peddle
Sent: 05 December 2005 17:00
To: 928uk
Subject: [928uk] PDF Link


Can someone let me have the PET PDF link that was posted today as I have
managed to delete it !
 
Thanks
 
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'90 S4



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From ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  5 20:14:04 2005
From: ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com (Ken Trueman)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:14:04 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c5f9ce$b2fe0be0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <ABEJIAJMJPICMNPKCEMHIEPMCKAA.ken.trueman4@btinternet.com>

George is absolutely right. Why take the chance when getting the right
struts aint that expensive?

cheers
Ken '93 GTS
(with new bonnet struts)



-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of George Layton
Sent: 05 December 2005 18:33
To: 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts


DO NOT DO THIS !!!

The rear struts are far more powerful than the fronts.

I replaced all 4 of mine a year or so ago.  The original rears were so
weakened that they would not hold the hatch open - BUT - they were still
significantly stronger than the brand new struts for the bonnet.

A complete set of 4 can be had from Bert at Berlyn for less than ?100
including postage.  A new bonnet will cost you a huge amount more than
this :0(

It's your car so your choice, but my advice would be don't do it :0)

George.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: richdunn at onetel.com
  To: tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 05 December 2005 17:34
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts


  Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine
as the
  load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I
used OPC.
  Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.



  Quoting thomas mather <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>:

  > I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate
  > and bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
  > If not -name of a suitable supplier?
  > Tom
  > 94 GTS


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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Dec  5 21:49:07 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:49:07 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
Message-ID: <20051205214907.4E309731147@viper.snap.net.nz>

Its always a good idea to stop the car before opening the tailgate!
You can use another key though, if you're worried about stopping the 
engine.

I've got the handbook for my '80, and I'm keeping it, but you should be 
able to get one from your local dealer, or from Gmund Books. If you get 
one from the US, it will be for a different car!

In the meantime, just keep asking questions.

Smiffy

> Hi
> I have just become the proud owner of my first 928 & am having a great 
time 
> so far.  I wonderd if anyone has an owners manual for my 1980 928 or 
knows 
> where I can get hold of one?  I have bought a few CD workshop manuals 
but 
> need some help with some of the controls, like how tp open the rear 
tailgate 
> from the inside without having to stop the car & use the ignition key?
> 
> I am starting from scratch so any guidence would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> 
> Steve




From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Dec  5 21:52:30 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:52:30 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
Message-ID: <20051205215230.AB00973123E@viper.snap.net.nz>

Check German Swedish & French , Eurocarparts, and Berlyn if you need them 
soon.
Nick (in Oz) is getting some more, but last I heard, he doesn't know when.

They are "generic" parts, with the force (marked on them) varied for 
different applications.

Smiffy 


> I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate and 
bonnet on  a 94
GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche? 
> If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> Tom
> 94 GTS 




From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Dec  5 21:54:20 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:54:20 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
References: <000401c5f9d4$b40274d0$0b01a8c0@VaioNote>
Message-ID: <024f01c5f9e6$73bfef80$27406051@jds6c903b071c4>

When you say you have fuel, how and where have you checked this ?

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem


> Any suggestions ?????? ;-(
>
> My 928 has been 'out of action' for the past 8/9 weeks whilst I was doing 
> up
> the bodywork.
>
> It started fine (every time) before but now it just doesn't want to
> co-operate.  I have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.
>
> The only connection I 'messed with' was the temperature sensor (inside 
> front
> left wheel arch) but this seems to be OK.
>
> Any suggestions - battery is fully charged.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
> 




From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 22:09:11 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:09:11 EST
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
Message-ID: <12f.6b449b57.30c61487@aol.com>

 
:

Do these  have to be genuine Porsche


Hi Tom, they do work better in hot weather, if you're not too bothered they  
might do a couple more summers; obviously not if totally dead! One of the  
Australians soldered schrader valves on somewhere to make the struts refillable,  
prob need a bit of oil as well. I'm on the second set and the bonnet pair are 
 weakening. Cheers Tim '92gts (oil topped up more often than shopping  
removed)
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From pablo at adreso.com  Mon Dec  5 22:41:26 2005
From: pablo at adreso.com (Pablo Ventura)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:41:26 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 clock
In-Reply-To: <12f.6b449b57.30c61487@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4515309B-65E0-11DA-A8E8-000A9573F496@adreso.com>

I am sure we've all seen some weird 928 items in ebay but this really  
is over the top. In case it could interest a fan of both 928 and  
clocks, or for a 928 club,  check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Porsche-928-S4-Wallclock-with-emblem- 
wheels_W0QQitemZ6584675741QQcategoryZ3933QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi 
ewItem

pablo
'84 auto (still looking for 928 rare winter wheels; two found but need  
two more)



From pablo at adreso.com  Mon Dec  5 22:53:51 2005
From: pablo at adreso.com (Pablo Ventura)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:53:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <12f.6b449b57.30c61487@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00BBABC1-65E2-11DA-A8E8-000A9573F496@adreso.com>

You are bidding on a?PAIR (2pcs)?of?Brand NEW Porsche 928 Hood Struts  
for year model 1976-1995. Has your old original car struts wear out of  
gas and does not support your lids/hoods anymore? The original struts  
usually has life expectancy of 3yrs, as they leak out of gas every  
year, and needs to be replaced. This new set will give your cars 100%  
support. BUY HERE AND SAVE $$$!

Current bid:
US $19.95? ?

ebay item nr. 8018826694

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-928-NEW-Hood-Struts-for-Yr-1976- 
1995_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33647QQitemZ8018826694QQrdZ1

Cheers, pablo
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From fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr  Tue Dec  6 11:37:30 2005
From: fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr (fred.flintstone)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:37:30 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <024f01c5f9e6$73bfef80$27406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <000001c5fa59$71de3af0$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>

John, Good point I just assumed that as there was fuel in the end of the LHS
injection distributor tube (bolt with ball-bearing inside) that there is
fuel getting to the injectors. 
How can I easily check fuel is flowing from pump ??

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of JDSPorsche
Sent: Monday 05 December 2005 22:54
To: fred.flintstone; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Starting Problem


When you say you have fuel, how and where have you checked this ?

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem


> Any suggestions ?????? ;-(
>
> My 928 has been 'out of action' for the past 8/9 weeks whilst I was 
> doing
> up
> the bodywork.
>
> It started fine (every time) before but now it just doesn't want to 
> co-operate.  I have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.
>
> The only connection I 'messed with' was the temperature sensor (inside
> front
> left wheel arch) but this seems to be OK.
>
> Any suggestions - battery is fully charged.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
> 


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From info at jdsporsche.com  Tue Dec  6 11:44:12 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:44:12 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
References: <000001c5fa59$71de3af0$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>
Message-ID: <00fd01c5fa5a$625fbfd0$27406051@jds6c903b071c4>

You need fuel pressure and flow. Ideally you need a presssure guage on the 
end of the rail.  Another way would be to check that fuel is rueturning to 
the top of the fuel tank, which implies there is sufficient flow/pressure.

You need to determine whether the fuel pump is running, this only does so 
when the LH detects rpm pulses from the EZK.These same pulses are also fed 
to the rev counter, so look to see if the tach moves at all when you crank 
the engine.

Let us know how you get on with that check.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
To: "'JDSPorsche'" <info at jdsporsche.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Starting Problem


> John, Good point I just assumed that as there was fuel in the end of the 
> LHS
> injection distributor tube (bolt with ball-bearing inside) that there is
> fuel getting to the injectors.
> How can I easily check fuel is flowing from pump ??
>
> Daniel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
> Of JDSPorsche
> Sent: Monday 05 December 2005 22:54
> To: fred.flintstone; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Starting Problem
>
>
> When you say you have fuel, how and where have you checked this ?
>
> John
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:47 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
>
>
>> Any suggestions ?????? ;-(
>>
>> My 928 has been 'out of action' for the past 8/9 weeks whilst I was
>> doing
>> up
>> the bodywork.
>>
>> It started fine (every time) before but now it just doesn't want to
>> co-operate.  I have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.
>>
>> The only connection I 'messed with' was the temperature sensor (inside
>> front
>> left wheel arch) but this seems to be OK.
>>
>> Any suggestions - battery is fully charged.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Daniel
>> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 928uk mailing list
>> 928uk at 928.org.uk
>> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>> 928.org.uk
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
> 




From neil at glasscock.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Dec  6 14:13:43 2005
From: neil at glasscock.freeserve.co.uk (neil glasscock)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:13:43 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Brake discs and pads.
Message-ID: <003201c5fa6f$4452fb50$04fea8c0@Rapidcharge4>

I am currently suffering from vibration during braking at speed. Has any body on the list tried the front brake disc's from Design 911 and what pads have people tried?

I would like a setup to suit the occasional track day.

Regards

Neil G 
1987 S4 Manual
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From andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz  Tue Dec  6 20:41:11 2005
From: andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz (Andy McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:41:11 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <20051205215230.AB00973123E@viper.snap.net.nz>
References: <20051205215230.AB00973123E@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051207093629.01e9b488@wheresmymailserver.com>

Here in NZ there are people offering a strut re-gassing service.  I had my 
tailgate struts re-gassed about 6 years ago and they're still working 
perfectly.  Much cheaper than buying replacement struts, even 
after-market.  Note the Mc in my name.

With the bonnet, be careful not to get struts that are too stiff.  I have 
heard of bent bonnets, but have never seen one.

Andy Mc
in NZ





At 21:52 5/12/2005 +0000, smiffypr at snap.net.nz wrote:

>Check German Swedish & French , Eurocarparts, and Berlyn if you need them
>soon.
>Nick (in Oz) is getting some more, but last I heard, he doesn't know when.
>
>They are "generic" parts, with the force (marked on them) varied for
>different applications.
>
>Smiffy
>
>
> > I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate and
>bonnet on  a 94
>GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
> > If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> > Tom
> > 94 GTS



From robin at waikato.ac.nz  Tue Dec  6 20:58:25 2005
From: robin at waikato.ac.nz (Robin Dunmall)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:58:25 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
Message-ID: <0404554D3407CE48A890D40B3C2035AF5D4156@ex1.its.waikato.ac.nz>

928 international charge about 14 bucks each for struts - why would you
bother?
>From their web page;
Hood Shock - SL36-40
High quality gas strut pressurized to 40 lbs. Recommended to replace in
pairs bur are sold individually.
	$14.00


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Andy McIntyre
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 9:41 a.m.
To: smiffypr at snap.net.nz
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts

Here in NZ there are people offering a strut re-gassing service.  I had
my 
tailgate struts re-gassed about 6 years ago and they're still working 
perfectly.  Much cheaper than buying replacement struts, even 
after-market.  Note the Mc in my name.

With the bonnet, be careful not to get struts that are too stiff.  I
have 
heard of bent bonnets, but have never seen one.

Andy Mc
in NZ





At 21:52 5/12/2005 +0000, smiffypr at snap.net.nz wrote:

>Check German Swedish & French , Eurocarparts, and Berlyn if you need
them
>soon.
>Nick (in Oz) is getting some more, but last I heard, he doesn't know
when.
>
>They are "generic" parts, with the force (marked on them) varied for
>different applications.
>
>Smiffy
>
>
> > I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate
and
>bonnet on  a 94
>GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
> > If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> > Tom
> > 94 GTS

_______________________________________________
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928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Dec  6 21:13:29 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:13:29 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
Message-ID: <20051206211329.BE84E731162@viper.snap.net.nz>

I'm getting a new set from Nick McKenna for AU$77 inc postage. (He's 
expecting anew delivery today).

The ones on Blackie are rusty as well as saggy, so not worth re-gassing.
The ones on Gloldie were showing some rust at the ball-joints, so again, 
better off with new ones. BTW, how much did the re-gassing cost?

Smiffy 

> Here in NZ there are people offering a strut re-gassing service.  I had 
my 
> tailgate struts re-gassed about 6 years ago and they're still working 
> perfectly.  Much cheaper than buying replacement struts, even 
> after-market.  Note the Mc in my name.
> 
> With the bonnet, be careful not to get struts that are too stiff.  I 
have 
> heard of bent bonnets, but have never seen one.
> 
> Andy Mc
> in NZ




From marton at befree.ch  Tue Dec  6 21:14:25 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:14:25 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <0404554D3407CE48A890D40B3C2035AF5D4156@ex1.its.waikato.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <43735F9B009C719C@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

& 80 bucks to ship them

Marton

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Robin Dunmall
Gesendet: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:58 PM
An: Andy McIntyre; smiffypr at snap.net.nz
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: RE: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts

928 international charge about 14 bucks each for struts - why would you
bother?
>From their web page;
Hood Shock - SL36-40
High quality gas strut pressurized to 40 lbs. Recommended to replace in
pairs bur are sold individually.
	$14.00


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Andy McIntyre
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 9:41 a.m.
To: smiffypr at snap.net.nz
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts

Here in NZ there are people offering a strut re-gassing service.  I had
my 
tailgate struts re-gassed about 6 years ago and they're still working 
perfectly.  Much cheaper than buying replacement struts, even 
after-market.  Note the Mc in my name.

With the bonnet, be careful not to get struts that are too stiff.  I
have 
heard of bent bonnets, but have never seen one.

Andy Mc
in NZ





At 21:52 5/12/2005 +0000, smiffypr at snap.net.nz wrote:

>Check German Swedish & French , Eurocarparts, and Berlyn if you need
them
>soon.
>Nick (in Oz) is getting some more, but last I heard, he doesn't know
when.
>
>They are "generic" parts, with the force (marked on them) varied for
>different applications.
>
>Smiffy
>
>
> > I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate
and
>bonnet on  a 94
>GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
> > If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> > Tom
> > 94 GTS

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From pagnobito at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  6 21:59:49 2005
From: pagnobito at hotmail.com (Michael Parris)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:59:49 +0000
Subject: AW: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
In-Reply-To: <43735F9B009C719C@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added
	bypostmaster@sunrise.ch)
Message-ID: <BAY101-F13D63B1A68E66DF032C525A8400@phx.gbl>

Eurocarparts part number 859330050, ?19.95 each, maybe not as cheap as USA, 
but it is a little closer.
They are my list of things to fix, but getting there.

Mike
89S4


>From: "marton" <marton at befree.ch>
>To: "'Robin Dunmall'" <robin at waikato.ac.nz>,   "'Andy McIntyre'" 
><andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz>, <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>CC: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: AW: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
>Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:14:25 +0100
>
>& 80 bucks to ship them
>
>Marton
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
>von Robin Dunmall
>Gesendet: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:58 PM
>An: Andy McIntyre; smiffypr at snap.net.nz
>Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Betreff: RE: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
>
>928 international charge about 14 bucks each for struts - why would you
>bother?
> >From their web page;
>Hood Shock - SL36-40
>High quality gas strut pressurized to 40 lbs. Recommended to replace in
>pairs bur are sold individually.
>	$14.00
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
>Behalf Of Andy McIntyre
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 9:41 a.m.
>To: smiffypr at snap.net.nz
>Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
>
>Here in NZ there are people offering a strut re-gassing service.  I had
>my
>tailgate struts re-gassed about 6 years ago and they're still working
>perfectly.  Much cheaper than buying replacement struts, even
>after-market.  Note the Mc in my name.
>
>With the bonnet, be careful not to get struts that are too stiff.  I
>have
>heard of bent bonnets, but have never seen one.
>
>Andy Mc
>in NZ
>
>
>
>
>
>At 21:52 5/12/2005 +0000, smiffypr at snap.net.nz wrote:
>
> >Check German Swedish & French , Eurocarparts, and Berlyn if you need
>them
> >soon.
> >Nick (in Oz) is getting some more, but last I heard, he doesn't know
>when.
> >
> >They are "generic" parts, with the force (marked on them) varied for
> >different applications.
> >
> >Smiffy
> >
> >
> > > I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate
>and
> >bonnet on  a 94
> >GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
> > > If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> > > Tom
> > > 94 GTS
>
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 22:15:51 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:15:51 EST
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
Message-ID: <234.30e0109.30c76797@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 06/12/2005 21:04:53 GMT Standard Time,  
robin at waikato.ac.nz writes:

High  quality gas strut pressurized to 40 lbs


Hi Robin, def not the same front and back; i.e not same pressure. ford  
products used to be stamped with the pressure setting (standard diameter).  Cheers 
Tim
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Dec  6 22:27:35 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:27:35 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
Message-ID: <20051206222735.B3532730F22@viper.snap.net.nz>

The ones I bought recently from GSF are labeled with the Force, not the 
pressure.

Smiffy
  
> In a message dated 06/12/2005 21:04:53 GMT Standard Time,  
> robin at waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
> High  quality gas strut pressurized to 40 lbs
>  
> Hi Robin, def not the same front and back; i.e not same pressure. ford  
> products used to be stamped with the pressure setting (standard 
diameter).  Cheers 
> Tim
> 




From nick.mckenna at bigpond.com  Wed Dec  7 10:25:03 2005
From: nick.mckenna at bigpond.com (Nick Mckenna)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:25:03 +1100
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
References: <43735F9B009C719C@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added
	bypostmaster@sunrise.ch)
Message-ID: <073401c5fb18$7c88bc90$07bc31cb@nick>

That's a lie Marton and you know it ! LOL

45 Quid delivered (4 Struts inc Postage anywhere in the world !)

Fronts are at 150N and the rears are at 420N (as per original Spec).


Cheers

Nick





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From cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 13:07:55 2005
From: cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk (cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:07:55 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Re Brake vibrations & Discs
In-Reply-To: <200512071200.jB7C0DQ06483@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200512071307.jB7D7tQ10186@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Concerneing vibration on front discs under braking.  Clearly a case of warped rotors or caliper mounting being suspect.  My advice is to fit a set of Zimmermann Cross Drilled Vented rotors from Europarts (about ?87 each) and a decent set of road/race pads (Green ones) also from Europarts.  Mine are excellent and fade free (so far) with very good pedal pressure and enough softness for gentle braking and firmness for hard stuff.

Clyde Euro2006



From alanb at 928.org.uk  Wed Dec  7 13:30:21 2005
From: alanb at 928.org.uk (Alan Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:30:21 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Re Brake vibrations & Discs
In-Reply-To: <200512071307.jB7D7tQ10186@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200512071307.jB7D7tQ10186@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E3B7619C-BD47-461B-B653-63E71604AC88@928.org.uk>

The vibration, may not be warped rotors, but some sort of mismatch  
between pads and disks, which could be causing "hot spots" on the disk.

My Zimmerman rotors (vented, drilled, from Eurocarparts) with EBC  
Green stuff all fitted new together (all round), vibrated like mad  
under braking.  Disks were perfectly true when tested with a dial  
gauge, but had some surface discoloration hot spots.  Also, the disks  
developed surface cracking around the holes.  Happy to post pics to  
the site.

I then fitted standard Porsche pads which has fixed the vibration,  
and the surface of the disks look much more "normal".  I'm not too  
happy, as the EBC brake dust was much less aggressive to my precious  
alloy wheels than the dust from the Porsche pads, but the vibration  
was dangerous, so i'm glad that's fixed.

incidentally, EBC now seem to recommend Red Stuff now for 928s.  I  
was alerted to this by Paul Anderson, and there we site supports it.

just some food for thought in an area close to my heart!

Alan 89GT


On 7 Dec 2005, at 13:07, cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Concerneing vibration on front discs under braking.  Clearly a case  
> of warped rotors or caliper mounting being suspect.  My advice is  
> to fit a set of Zimmermann Cross Drilled Vented rotors from  
> Europarts (about ?87 each) and a decent set of road/race pads  
> (Green ones) also from Europarts.  Mine are excellent and fade free  
> (so far) with very good pedal pressure and enough softness for  
> gentle braking and firmness for hard stuff.
>
> Clyde Euro2006
>
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From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 19:12:47 2005
From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:12:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Inlet Manifold
Message-ID: <000601c5fb62$361c5380$0200a8c0@pc>

Hi Guys
While underbonnet the other day I tried to brush away a 'hair' on the front centre of the inlet manifoild - You guessed it. it's a crack - about 4" long and truly hairline. No adverse effect (yet) to running or performance. As a remedy should I do an temporary repair with alloy repair material? after which do I remove and have welded, or get a replacement?
As an aside - is this common?
Thanks
Colin
'93 GTS Man
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Wed Dec  7 21:29:20 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:29:20 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Inlet Manifold
In-Reply-To: <000601c5fb62$361c5380$0200a8c0@pc>
References: <000601c5fb62$361c5380$0200a8c0@pc>
Message-ID: <5NjvuG0wQ1lDFwIh@ritech-systems.com>


Are you sure its a crack and not the paint falling off, which it does 
very easily and in large lumps. The manifold is magnesium and paint 
doesn't adhere very well.

Richard

In message <000601c5fb62$361c5380$0200a8c0 at pc>, Colin McCraith 
<colins928 at yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Hi Guys
>While underbonnet the other day I tried to brush away a 'hair' on the front
>centre of the inlet manifoild - You guessed it. it's a crack - about 4" long
>and truly hairline. No adverse effect (yet) to running or performance. As a
>remedy should I do an temporary repair with alloy repair material? after
>which do I remove and have welded, or get a replacement?
>As an aside - is this common?
>Thanks
>Colin
>'93 GTS Man
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From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  8 08:25:39 2005
From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:25:39 +0100
Subject: Fw: [928uk] Inlet Manifold
Message-ID: <001001c5fbd0$f997c650$0200a8c0@pc>

That's what I like to hear - potential good news. I will test at the weekend and report back on the depth of the crack.
thanks
Colin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Anderson 
To: Colin McCraith 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Inlet Manifold


colin,

The crack will be in the paint that is on the manifold not the manifold itself, the paint is notorious for falling off the inlet manifold on s4 s probably due to the manifold being made from magnesium.

Atb,

Paul Anderson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Colin McCraith 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:12 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Inlet Manifold


  Hi Guys
  While underbonnet the other day I tried to brush away a 'hair' on the front centre of the inlet manifoild - You guessed it. it's a crack - about 4" long and truly hairline. No adverse effect (yet) to running or performance. As a remedy should I do an temporary repair with alloy repair material? after which do I remove and have welded, or get a replacement?
  As an aside - is this common?
  Thanks
  Colin
  '93 GTS Man


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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Dec  8 09:20:06 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:20:06 +1300
Subject: [928uk] LOTUS
References: <20051130041329.D4836732557@viper.snap.net.nz>
	<004001c5f60a$dc7f6710$0400a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <00a501c5fbd8$94b7ac20$35667cca@computername>

Thanks for the responses, I've passed them on to the lucky owner.

Smiffy


From asweetenham at uku.co.uk  Thu Dec  8 14:37:43 2005
From: asweetenham at uku.co.uk (Andrew Sweetenham)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:37:43 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Reminder - ProMax Motorsport Open Day [Sunday 11th Dec]
Message-ID: <20051208143853.63363D4A3B@mra03.ch.as12513.net>

Hi All,

A reminder that the ProMAX Motorsport Open Day is this Sunday from 10:00 -
16:00. We very much hope you can make it!

Location:
ProMAX Motorsport Ltd
Unit 7, Sidings Industrial Centre
Top Station Road
Brackley
Northants
NN13 7UG

How to get there:
HYPERLINK "http://www.multimap.com"http://www.multimap.com

Reasons to come:
Lots of cars, lots of FREE food, ?25 discount vouchers for all, discounted
product on the day - great chance to meet up with lots of fellow Porsche
owners!
Any question: please send a message to HYPERLINK
"mailto:andrew at promaxmotorsport.com"andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
 
Look forward to seeing you all on the day!
 
Regards,
Andrew 
 
NOTE: we have full PST2 diagnostics for 928 servicing

Considering a Florida / Orlando vacation? Check out HYPERLINK
"http://www.villaexec.com/"www.villaexec.com for the ultimate in luxury
vacation villas!
 
Andrew Sweetenham
ProMAX Motorsport
Porsche Performance Specialists
Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
web: www.promaxmotorsport.com





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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 09:16:29 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:16:29 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Used Koni Shocks for Sale
Message-ID: <98697a430512090116v1f1682d7y264ba7b882d810b1@mail.gmail.com>

I have a pair of used (12 month old) shocks for sale on eBay right now, they
have issues, but are still worth considering, especially as they are
currently priced at 99p.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4595511594

Cheers

Paul
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From cjbizman at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:18:43 2005
From: cjbizman at hotmail.com (C J)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:18:43 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
In-Reply-To: <20051205164939.NXQP11396.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F232E2E41AFAA7DF1CBA618D5450@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the information guys.

TC
Steve


>From: Nick Carrington <nick.carrington at ntlworld.com>
>To: Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>,C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com>
>CC: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
>Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:49:39 +0000
>
>No remote boot release until the S2, I'm afraid, unless you fancy buying 
>all the bits and retrofitting it, and even then it's one of the less 
>reliable parts of the car.
>
>928 International list the owners manuals in their online shop (US). 
>http://www.928intl.com/
>
>HTH
>
>Nick C
> >
> > From: Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
> > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 01:59:50 GMT
> > To: C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com>
> > CC: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > You should be able to order one from Porsche - order no. is WKD468920 
>for
> > the 928 and WKD469320 for the 928S.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Graham
> >
> >
> > On 28/11/05, C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > I have just become the proud owner of my first 928 & am having a great
> > > time
> > > so far.  I wonderd if anyone has an owners manual for my 1980 928 or 
>knows
> > > where I can get hold of one?  I have bought a few CD workshop manuals 
>but
> > > need some help with some of the controls, like how tp open the rear
> > > tailgate
> > > from the inside without having to stop the car & use the ignition key?
> > >
> > > I am starting from scratch so any guidence would be appreciated.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 928uk mailing list
> > > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > > 928.org.uk
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com  Fri Dec  9 17:39:30 2005
From: Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com (Bone, Chris (IT13))
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:39:30 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
Message-ID: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD264064177ED@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>

Noticed that there is a leather owners manual folder on e-bay uk today.
Might be worth a look if you don't have one to go with your new owners
manual.

Cheers, CCB 1990 Silver GT, BACK ON THE ROAD after 6 weeks and I have a
grin a mile wide!


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of C J
Sent: 09 December 2005 10:19
To: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com; gjm123 at gmail.com
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?

Thanks for the information guys.

TC
Steve


>From: Nick Carrington <nick.carrington at ntlworld.com>
>To: Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>,C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com>
>CC: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
>Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:49:39 +0000
>
>No remote boot release until the S2, I'm afraid, unless you fancy
buying 
>all the bits and retrofitting it, and even then it's one of the less 
>reliable parts of the car.
>
>928 International list the owners manuals in their online shop (US). 
>http://www.928intl.com/
>
>HTH
>
>Nick C
> >
> > From: Graham Manning <gjm123 at gmail.com>
> > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 01:59:50 GMT
> > To: C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com>
> > CC: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] Owners Manual anyone?
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > You should be able to order one from Porsche - order no. is
WKD468920 
>for
> > the 928 and WKD469320 for the 928S.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Graham
> >
> >
> > On 28/11/05, C J <cjbizman at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > I have just become the proud owner of my first 928 & am having a
great
> > > time
> > > so far.  I wonderd if anyone has an owners manual for my 1980 928
or 
>knows
> > > where I can get hold of one?  I have bought a few CD workshop
manuals 
>but
> > > need some help with some of the controls, like how tp open the
rear
> > > tailgate
> > > from the inside without having to stop the car & use the ignition
key?
> > >
> > > I am starting from scratch so any guidence would be appreciated.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 928uk mailing list
> > > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > > 928.org.uk
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From paul at paullacey.com  Fri Dec  9 18:26:01 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:26:01 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Ultrasonic cleaning
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAqIxe2D6KfkGRJonyHfz26gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi,
Has anybody got details of a good place to get fuel injectors ultrasonic
cleaned, and what should I expect to pay ?
Thanks

Paul

'85 928S2 Turquoise
'90 928GT Baltic Blue
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From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  9 19:44:32 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:44:32 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ultrasonic cleaning
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAqIxe2D6KfkGRJonyHfz26gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F36C51E7D8CC68B39864C62FA450@phx.gbl>

Paul


Do a google on ASNU and you can then search for someone near you.


Stuart


>From: "Paul Lacey" <paul at paullacey.com>
>Reply-To: paul at paullacey.com
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: [928uk] Ultrasonic cleaning
>Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:26:01 -0000
>
>Hi,
>Has anybody got details of a good place to get fuel injectors ultrasonic
>cleaned, and what should I expect to pay ?
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>
>'85 928S2 Turquoise
>'90 928GT Baltic Blue


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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 20:05:55 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:05:55 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ultrasonic cleaning
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAqIxe2D6KfkGRJonyHfz26gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAqIxe2D6KfkGRJonyHfz26gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512091205o3956c2e3g@mail.gmail.com>

The imaginitively named www.injectorcleaning.co.uk offer a postal service.
Cleaning of rail mounted injectors costs ?11.75, hose mounted injectors
?14.10. Both prices include return postage and VAT.

I've seen a suggestion that injectors should be cleaned every 24k miles.

- Graham


On 09/12/05, Paul Lacey <paul at paullacey.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Has anybody got details of a good place to get fuel injectors ultrasonic
> cleaned, and what should I expect to pay ?
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
> '85 928S2 Turquoise
> '90 928GT Baltic Blue
>
> _______________________________________________
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sat Dec 10 02:36:18 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:36:18 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Ultrasonic cleaning
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAqIxe2D6KfkGRJonyHfz26gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <00a501c5fd32$80faf650$77667cca@computername>

Mine cost NZ$25 (?10) each.
For that they are tested (through a cycle of different durations and frequencies) and a 
total volume figure recorded, then cleaned and the test repeated.

Be careful removing and handling your injectors, one of mine fell on the floor and broke 
the pintle, making it useless.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Lacey" <paul at paullacey.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [928uk] Ultrasonic cleaning


> Hi,
> Has anybody got details of a good place to get fuel injectors ultrasonic
> cleaned, and what should I expect to pay ?
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
> '85 928S2 Turquoise
> '90 928GT Baltic Blue
>


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From fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr  Sat Dec 10 10:00:37 2005
From: fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr (fred.flintstone)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:00:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c5fa5a$625fbfd0$27406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <000001c5fd70$930f8700$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>

John .... What are the LH and the EZK ?? ... I cranked the engine to check
the RPM pulses and the tacho needle is not moving at all so assume that - as
you said - there is no fuel getting to the injectors.

Someone suggested that the "cold start valve" could be the culprit but (as I
have no sign of life in the tacho) assume this is the unlikely problem ....
Off to check it none the less - also will check the fuel pressure (bought a
gauge yesterday).

Any suggestions gratefully received  --- as I said in my original question I
have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.

Thanks,

Daniel
Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of JDSPorsche
Sent: Tuesday 06 December 2005 12:44
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Starting Problem

You need fuel pressure and flow. Ideally you need a presssure guage on the 
end of the rail.  Another way would be to check that fuel is rueturning to 
the top of the fuel tank, which implies there is sufficient flow/pressure.

You need to determine whether the fuel pump is running, this only does so 
when the LH detects rpm pulses from the EZK.These same pulses are also fed 
to the rev counter, so look to see if the tach moves at all when you crank 
the engine.

Let us know how you get on with that check.
John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
To: "'JDSPorsche'" <info at jdsporsche.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Starting Problem

> John, Good point I just assumed that as there was fuel in the end of the
LHS
> injection distributor tube (bolt with ball-bearing inside) that there is
> fuel getting to the injectors.
> How can I easily check fuel is flowing from pump ??
>
> Daniel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:47 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
>>
>> Any suggestions ?????? ;-(
>>
>> My 928 has been 'out of action' for the past 8/9 weeks whilst I was doing
up the bodywork.
>>
>> It started fine (every time) before but now it just doesn't want to
co-operate.  I have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.
>>
>> The only connection I 'messed with' was the temperature sensor (inside
front left wheel arch) but this seems to be OK.
>>
>> Any suggestions - battery is fully charged.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Daniel
>> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH




From info at jdsporsche.com  Sat Dec 10 13:07:35 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:07:35 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
References: <000001c5fd70$930f8700$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>
Message-ID: <004e01c5fd8a$b242bec0$27406051@jds6c903b071c4>


> John .... What are the LH and the EZK ?? ... I cranked the engine to check
> the RPM pulses and the tacho needle is not moving at all so assume that - 
> as
> you said - there is no fuel getting to the injectors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Daniel,
LH is the fuel ECU, EZK is the ignition ECU.   You are quite sure you have 
spark, from both distributors ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Someone suggested that the "cold start valve" could be the culprit but (as 
> I
> have no sign of life in the tacho) assume this is the unlikely problem 
> ....
> Off to check it none the less - also will check the fuel pressure (bought 
> a
> gauge yesterday).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Your car does not have a cold start valve, they were used on the earlier 
cars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Any suggestions gratefully received  --- as I said in my original question 
> I
> have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Check the fuel pump is really running when the engine is cranking, either 
get someone to listen, or put a voltmeter across the terminals of the pump.

Regards

john
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
> Of JDSPorsche
> Sent: Tuesday 06 December 2005 12:44
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Starting Problem
>
> You need fuel pressure and flow. Ideally you need a presssure guage on the
> end of the rail.  Another way would be to check that fuel is rueturning to
> the top of the fuel tank, which implies there is sufficient flow/pressure.
>
> You need to determine whether the fuel pump is running, this only does so
> when the LH detects rpm pulses from the EZK.These same pulses are also fed
> to the rev counter, so look to see if the tach moves at all when you crank
> the engine.
>
> Let us know how you get on with that check.
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
> To: "'JDSPorsche'" <info at jdsporsche.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [928uk] Starting Problem
>
>> John, Good point I just assumed that as there was fuel in the end of the
> LHS
>> injection distributor tube (bolt with ball-bearing inside) that there is
>> fuel getting to the injectors.
>> How can I easily check fuel is flowing from pump ??
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
>> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:47 PM
>> Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
>>>
>>> Any suggestions ?????? ;-(
>>>
>>> My 928 has been 'out of action' for the past 8/9 weeks whilst I was 
>>> doing
> up the bodywork.
>>>
>>> It started fine (every time) before but now it just doesn't want to
> co-operate.  I have fuel and I have spark but IT JUST WON'T start.
>>>
>>> The only connection I 'messed with' was the temperature sensor (inside
> front left wheel arch) but this seems to be OK.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions - battery is fully charged.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
>
>
>
> 




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 18:31:34 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:31:34 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ultrasonic cleaning
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAqIxe2D6KfkGRJonyHfz26gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAqIxe2D6KfkGRJonyHfz26gEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512101031kcfe656el43fc21906b11b641@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul

I've seen new sets on eBay in the US for less than the cost of cleaning by
some companies here.

Cheers

Paul


On 12/9/05, Paul Lacey <paul at paullacey.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Has anybody got details of a good place to get fuel injectors ultrasonic
> cleaned, and what should I expect to pay ?
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
> '85 928S2 Turquoise
> '90 928GT Baltic Blue
>
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From richdunn at onetel.com  Wed Dec  7 08:52:58 2005
From: richdunn at onetel.com (Rich Dunn)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:52:58 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003><20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk><00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>
	<20051205191849.7yj3q9h6o4wgk0c0@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
Message-ID: <005701c5fb0b$a007b980$e610800a@acer5c5297hu8o>

Oops. I stand corrected..... sorry, Dave. I was only passing on info from 
the PCGB magazine about 4 years ago. Seems it was flawed. Think I'll stick 
to 'lurking'! Seasons Greetings, all.
Rich Dunn. 



From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 14:39:42 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:39:42 +0000
Subject: [928uk] New 16" Tyres Swap Fronts for Rears
Message-ID: <98697a430512110639g639f55bbg2595d0292c466277@mail.gmail.com>

I have a pair of brand new never mounted Yokohama AVS S1-Z 225/50/16 ZR
rated tyres which I would like to swap for a pair of rears (245/45/16).

Let me know if you have anything you'd be interested in swapping, or perhaps
part exchange.

Cheers

Paul
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From marton at befree.ch  Sun Dec 11 14:58:11 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:58:11 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
References: <27632960.1133785571346.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003><20051205173437.z8mwwdtkckgg84gk@mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
	<00a301c5f9c4$8c4c6410$030ba8c0@shuttle>
Message-ID: <005401c5fe63$4ea0b6e0$6401a8c0@simone>

I put my old tailgate struts on the front for the bonnet about 2 years ago.
Seems fine except sometimes garagistes not familiar with the car get lifted
off the ground when they open the bonnet....

Cheers

Marton


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Hamilton" <dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk>
To: <richdunn at onetel.com>; <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts


> I've seen it suggested that this is not a good idea as the rear struts are
> more powerful than the bonnet struts, due to the heavy glass tailgate, and
> can result in a bent bonnet! I don't know if this is true though, just
what
> I have read.
>
> Dave
> 86 S2 5Spd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <richdunn at onetel.com>
> To: <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>
> Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Bonnet and Tailgate struts
>
>
> > Hi Tom - transfer the rear struts to the bonnet - they work just fine as
> > the
> > load is a lot less. Then all you need to buy is a pair of rears. I used
> > OPC.
> > Regds,  Rich Dunn.  '93 GTS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting thomas mather <tom at mather7481.wanadoo.co.uk>:
> >
> >> I need to replace the hydraulic support struts on both the tailgate and
> >> bonnet on  a 94 GTS . Do these have to be genuine Porsche?
> >> If not -name of a suitable supplier?
> >> Tom
> >> 94 GTS
> >
> >
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From ian_hughes at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Dec 11 15:38:28 2005
From: ian_hughes at blueyonder.co.uk (Ian Hughes)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:38:28 -0000
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000001c5fe68$eed445f0$6502a8c0@hugo>

Dear All

Good to  meet a number of you on the 3rd Dec, the drive in  on the 34 was
certainly  a test of my cooling system. That apart the heat exchanger unit
in the dash board has developed  a leak & needs to  be  replaced. Apparently
this is a dash out job. Has anybody had any experience of this job?  Is it
something to attempt yourself or if not what sort of costs are we talking
about.

Regards

Ian Hughes.   

Moss green 83s

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From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Dec 11 19:19:04 2005
From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:19:04 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather
Message-ID: <000901c5fe87$c08e79d0$0200a8c0@pc>

Hi Guys
Many thanks to those that pointed out my cracked inlet manifold could be (& WAS) cracked paint - So moving on I need to get round to treating my leather, which looks 100% but in fact is hard in areas - I got an Autoglym treatment last year but it was a waste of time and money..I am currently using handbag cream (no smart replies necessary!) however a product to soften and give a nice matt black finish is my ideal - any suggestions?
Ta.
Colin
'93 GTS Man
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 22:33:13 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:33:13 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather
In-Reply-To: <000901c5fe87$c08e79d0$0200a8c0@pc>
References: <000901c5fe87$c08e79d0$0200a8c0@pc>
Message-ID: <98697a430512111433q8c3a850i7702470311779458@mail.gmail.com>

Gliptone is very highly regarded. I have some, but of course I've never got
around to using it.

Cheers

Paul



On 12/11/05, Colin McCraith <colins928 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys
> Many thanks to those that pointed out my cracked inlet manifold could be
> (& WAS) cracked paint - So moving on I need to get round to treating my
> leather, which looks 100% but in fact is hard in areas - I got an Autoglym
> treatment last year but it was a waste of time and money..I am currently
> using handbag cream (no smart replies necessary!) however a product to
> soften and give a nice matt black finish is my ideal - any suggestions?
> Ta.
> Colin
> '93 GTS Man
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com  Mon Dec 12 10:59:49 2005
From: Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com (Bone, Chris (IT13))
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:59:49 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather
Message-ID: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406417A36@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>

Glipstone is fantastic and I had tried almost everything else in
Halfords including Autoglym (except I admit handbag cream!) . I had very
cracked and hard linen coloured leather on my 90GT. Used the cleaner
(with a small nail brush like recommended, and some considerable elbow
grease and patience) and then two applications of the conditioner the
last of which I also wrapped in cling film overnight as I had seen
recommended. The cleaner was great and took off dirt I was not
expecting, make sure you have lots of clean cloth to wipe off with. The
conditioner has made it supple and very nice and of course the famous
Glipstone leather smell is readily apparent.

 

You can buy it on line at the link below, reasonably priced and
delivered in a couple of days. Make sure you know your colour number as
they can match exactly to the Porsche leather.

 

http://www.liquidleather.com/

 

 

Cheers, Chris 1990 GT back on the road again!

 

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 11 December 2005 22:33
To: Colin McCraith
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

 

Gliptone is very highly regarded. I have some, but of course I've never
got around to using it.

 

Cheers

 

Paul



 

On 12/11/05, Colin McCraith <colins928 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 

Hi Guys

Many thanks to those that pointed out my cracked inlet manifold could be
(& WAS) cracked paint - So moving on I need to get round to treating my
leather, which looks 100% but in fact is hard in areas - I got an
Autoglym treatment last year but it was a waste of time and money..I am
currently using handbag cream (no smart replies necessary!) however a
product to soften and give a nice matt black finish is my ideal - any
suggestions?

Ta.

Colin

'93 GTS Man


_______________________________________________
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From chris_byham at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 12 11:26:19 2005
From: chris_byham at yahoo.com (Chris Byham)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:26:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
Message-ID: <20051212112619.78941.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com>

Morning all,
   
  Well two weeks after saying that I'd see if the Jag would pass another MOT before deciding what to do with it, I'm throwing in the towel. Brakes aren't working, and now I've got a bigger petrol leak than Hemel Hempstead!!
   
  So, now the 928 hunting begins in ernest. And of course, so do the questions. First thing to note is my budget is ?6k and not a penny more! So don't suggest GT cars please ;-) I'm also leaning towards buying from a dealer rather than private as it's easier to harrass an organisation if things are misrepresented and problems arrise just after purchase (I bought my Jag privately from someone I mistakenly believed to be both trustworthy and an enthusiast, then I when I found problems, I discovered he'd moved abroad!!!).
   
  First one is : S2 versus S4. From what I can see (ie the little I know), the S2 is mechanically simpler (non-interference engine) but the S4 is slightly more powerful. What else is there to consider, and which way would people recommend I go?
   
  Secondly, there's a few cars for sale via dealers, one in Chelsea Harbour (S2) and a couple in High Wycombe (both S4 lhd). All have been on the market for a while. Does this mean I should be worried about them, or is it just a slow time of year? Does anyone know either of these dealers (Bespoke cars of Chelsea Harbour or Special Car Company of High Wycombe) or history of the cars they are selling? (Just asking because it is a small world!).
   
  That will do for now I think, but I'm sure I'll think of others later!!
   
  Chris

			
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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 11:47:48 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:47:48 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <20051212112619.78941.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051212112619.78941.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512120347i7ac1256dp@mail.gmail.com>

I'd recommend the S2. For ?6k you should be able to get a very good one,
while good S4s can be more expensive. It may be worth speaking to Paul at
928Spares or Chris at Loe Bank to see if they know of any good cars being
available.

And as you say, the S4 is only *slightly* more powerful.

- Graham
'84 Strosek S2


On 12/12/05, Chris Byham <chris_byham at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Morning all,
>
> Well two weeks after saying that I'd see if the Jag would pass another MOT
> before deciding what to do with it, I'm throwing in the towel. Brakes aren't
> working, and now I've got a bigger petrol leak than Hemel Hempstead!!
>
> So, now the 928 hunting begins in ernest. And of course, so do the
> questions. First thing to note is my budget is ?6k and not a penny more! So
> don't suggest GT cars please ;-) I'm also leaning towards buying from a
> dealer rather than private as it's easier to harrass an organisation if
> things are misrepresented and problems arrise just after purchase (I bought
> my Jag privately from someone I mistakenly believed to be both trustworthy
> and an enthusiast, then I when I found problems, I discovered he'd moved
> abroad!!!).
>
> First one is : S2 versus S4. From what I can see (ie the little I know),
> the S2 is mechanically simpler (non-interferen! ce engine) but the S4 is
> slightly more powerful. What else is there to consider, and which way would
> people recommend I go?
>
> Secondly, there's a few cars for sale via dealers, one in Chelsea Harbour
> (S2) and a couple in High Wycombe (both S4 lhd). All have been on the market
> for a while. Does this mean I should be worried about them, or is it just a
> slow time of year? Does anyone know either of these dealers (Bespoke cars of
> Chelsea Harbour or Special Car Company of High Wycombe) or history of the
> cars they are selling? (Just asking because it is a small world!).
>
> That will do for now I think, but I'm sure I'll think of others later!!
>
> Chris
>
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From andy at pandar.demon.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 11:56:25 2005
From: andy at pandar.demon.co.uk (Andy Gilmour)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:56:25 -0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <20051212112619.78941.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c5ff13$14fe2a70$5711b150@DJ42BR1J>

Hi Chris

 

I would advise you to buy from a 928.org lister. I bought mine from a list
advertisement.

My experience of dealers is that they have very little idea what they?re
talking about when it comes to 928s.

 

If I had a pound for every time a dealer has said to me ?it?s probably just
a small electrical problem

easily fixed? I?d be able to afford a GTS by now
:-)

 

Andy

MY91 S4 Auto

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Chris Byham
Sent: 12 December 2005 11:26
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff

 

Morning all,

 

Well two weeks after saying that I'd see if the Jag would pass another MOT
before deciding what to do with it, I'm throwing in the towel. Brakes aren't
working, and now I've got a bigger petrol leak than Hemel Hempstead!!

 

So, now the 928 hunting begins in ernest. And of course, so do the
questions. First thing to note is my budget is ?6k and not a penny more! So
don't suggest GT cars please ;-) I'm also leaning towards buying from a
dealer rather than private as it's easier to harrass an organisation if
things are misrepresented and problems arrise just after purchase (I bought
my Jag privately from someone I mistakenly believed to be both trustworthy
and an enthusiast, then I when I found problems, I discovered he'd moved
abroad!!!).

 

First one is : S2 versus S4. From what I can see (ie the little I know), the
S2 is mechanically simpler (non-interference engine) but the S4 is slightly
more powerful. What else is there to consider, and which way would people
recommend I go?

 

Secondly, there's a few cars for sale via dealers, one in Chelsea Harbour
(S2) and a couple in High Wycombe (both S4 lhd). All have been on the market
for a while. Does this mean I should be worried about them, or is it just a
slow time of year? Does anyone know either of these dealers (Bespoke cars of
Chelsea Harbour or Special Car Company of High Wycombe) or history of the
cars they are selling? (Just asking because it is a small world!).

 

That will do for now I think, but I'm sure I'll think of others later!!

 

Chris

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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Dec 12 12:11:06 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:11:06 +1300
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
References: <20051212112619.78941.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com>
	<ac85f1f90512120347i7ac1256dp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c5ff15$228450a0$3f667cca@computername>

Most people seem to have a preference for the look of either the S or S4, that's a 
personal thing.
Also there is quite a difference in the shape of the torque curves, and some might prefer 
the S's slightly more urgent feel as the revs rise.
Other than that, condition, condition, condition.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Manning" <gjm123 at gmail.com>
To: "Chris Byham" <chris_byham at yahoo.com>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff


I'd recommend the S2. For ?6k you should be able to get a very good one,
while good S4s can be more expensive. It may be worth speaking to Paul at
928Spares or Chris at Loe Bank to see if they know of any good cars being
available.

And as you say, the S4 is only *slightly* more powerful.

- Graham
'84 Strosek S2


On 12/12/05, Chris Byham <chris_byham at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Morning all,
>
> Well two weeks after saying that I'd see if the Jag would pass another MOT
> before deciding what to do with it, I'm throwing in the towel. Brakes aren't
> working, and now I've got a bigger petrol leak than Hemel Hempstead!!
>
> So, now the 928 hunting begins in ernest. And of course, so do the
> questions. First thing to note is my budget is ?6k and not a penny more! So
> don't suggest GT cars please ;-) I'm also leaning towards buying from a
> dealer rather than private as it's easier to harrass an organisation if
> things are misrepresented and problems arrise just after purchase (I bought
> my Jag privately from someone I mistakenly believed to be both trustworthy
> and an enthusiast, then I when I found problems, I discovered he'd moved
> abroad!!!).
>
> First one is : S2 versus S4. From what I can see (ie the little I know),
> the S2 is mechanically simpler (non-interferen! ce engine) but the S4 is
> slightly more powerful. What else is there to consider, and which way would
> people recommend I go?
>
> Secondly, there's a few cars for sale via dealers, one in Chelsea Harbour
> (S2) and a couple in High Wycombe (both S4 lhd). All have been on the market
> for a while. Does this mean I should be worried about them, or is it just a
> slow time of year? Does anyone know either of these dealers (Bespoke cars of
> Chelsea Harbour or Special Car Company of High Wycombe) or history of the
> cars they are selling? (Just asking because it is a small world!).
>
> That will do for now I think, but I'm sure I'll think of others later!!
>
> Chris
>
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From justin at pressland.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 12:18:05 2005
From: justin at pressland.co.uk (Pressland, Justin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:18:05 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
Message-ID: <7EA7D9C71D09B249A6ABBB48A617E44601A1C68D@mapibe05.exchange.xchg>

Agree.  Unless it is a Porsche specialist dealer (preferrably one who services
cars too), buying a 928, esp under 10K, from a dealer, is not the route to go.
 
928.org is the place to start. Then pay for an inspection by a Porsche mechanic,
preferrably a 928 trained one.
 
Justin

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Gilmour
Sent: 12 December 2005 11:56
To: 'Chris Byham'; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff



Hi Chris

 

I would advise you to buy from a 928.org lister. I bought mine from a list advertisement.

My experience of dealers is that they have very little idea what they're talking about when it comes to 928s.

 

If I had a pound for every time a dealer has said to me "it's probably just a small electrical problem......easily fixed" I'd be able to afford a GTS by now :-)

 

Andy

MY91 S4 Auto

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Chris Byham
Sent: 12 December 2005 11:26
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff

 

Morning all,

 

Well two weeks after saying that I'd see if the Jag would pass another MOT before deciding what to do with it, I'm throwing in the towel. Brakes aren't working, and now I've got a bigger petrol leak than Hemel Hempstead!!

 

So, now the 928 hunting begins in ernest. And of course, so do the questions. First thing to note is my budget is ?6k and not a penny more! So don't suggest GT cars please ;-) I'm also leaning towards buying from a dealer rather than private as it's easier to harrass an organisation if things are misrepresented and problems arrise just after purchase (I bought my Jag privately from someone I mistakenly believed to be both trustworthy and an enthusiast, then I when I found problems, I discovered he'd moved abroad!!!).

 

First one is : S2 versus S4. From what I can see (ie the little I know), the S2 is mechanically simpler (non-interference engine) but the S4 is slightly more powerful. What else is there to consider, and which way would people recommend I go?

 

Secondly, there's a few cars for sale via dealers, one in Chelsea Harbour (S2) and a couple in High Wycombe (both S4 lhd). All have been on the market for a while. Does this mean I should be worried about them, or is it just a slow time of year? Does anyone know either of these dealers (Bespoke cars of Chelsea Harbour or Special Car Company of High Wycombe) or history of the cars they are selling? (Just asking because it is a small world!).

 

That will do for now I think, but I'm sure I'll think of others later!!

 

Chris

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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 12:24:11 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:24:11 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <20051212112619.78941.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051212112619.78941.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512120424o130dbc7al108f85055e18e11f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris

The S2 is definitely not Non-Interference. Only the 4.5ltr engines are
certain to be safe if you have a cam belt failure, apparently some of the
early 4.7 engines are safe too, but if there's any carbon build up there may
still be a problem if the belt fails.

I would suggest that high mileage is not a problem, but cars that have lived
outside (or worse still near the sea) will be difficult to work on.

I also think you'll be better off buying from someone on the list, you'll be
able to find out much more about the history of the car if you do so.

Bear in mind that even an S4 will be nearly 20 years old, be prepared to do
a lot of maintenance yourself, or pay someone else disturbing amounts of
money to maintain it for you.

Good Luck

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On 12/12/05, Chris Byham <chris_byham at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Morning all,
>
> Well two weeks after saying that I'd see if the Jag would pass another MOT
> before deciding what to do with it, I'm throwing in the towel. Brakes aren't
> working, and now I've got a bigger petrol leak than Hemel Hempstead!!
>
> So, now the 928 hunting begins in ernest. And of course, so do the
> questions. First thing to note is my budget is ?6k and not a penny more! So
> don't suggest GT cars please ;-) I'm also leaning towards buying from a
> dealer rather than private as it's easier to harrass an organisation if
> things are misrepresented and problems arrise just after purchase (I bought
> my Jag privately from someone I mistakenly believed to be both trustworthy
> and an enthusiast, then I when I found problems, I discovered he'd moved
> abroad!!!).
>
> First one is : S2 versus S4. From what I can see (ie the little I know),
> the S2 is mechanically simpler (non-interferen! ce engine) but the S4 is
> slightly more powerful. What else is there to consider, and which way would
> people recommend I go?
>
> Secondly, there's a few cars for sale via dealers, one in Chelsea Harbour
> (S2) and a couple in High Wycombe (both S4 lhd). All have been on the market
> for a while. Does this mean I should be worried about them, or is it just a
> slow time of year? Does anyone know either of these dealers (Bespoke cars of
> Chelsea Harbour or Special Car Company of High Wycombe) or history of the
> cars they are selling? (Just asking because it is a small world!).
>
> That will do for now I think, but I'm sure I'll think of others later!!
>
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------
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From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec 12 12:42:30 2005
From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:42:30 +0000
Subject: [928uk] No heat
Message-ID: <20051212124230.SZAW16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

So I had to bring the 928 on a busines trip today - didn't take long to work out that the heating's stopped working. It seems to recognise the fact that it's cold because the fresh air vents are firmly shut, but no heat is getting into the cabin. I suppose I should suspect the infamous heater tap? I poked around at the motorway services but couldn't see it - could someone describe its position for me, and I'll have a better look in the hotel carpark or somewhere tonight. Or any other suggestions ...

Thanks

Nick C
83S - cold!!!

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From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 12:59:44 2005
From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:59:44 +0100
Subject: Fw: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather
Message-ID: <000b01c5ff1b$ed343a30$0200a8c0@pc>

Thanks Guys
and thanks for the link Chris - I will try the product and the cling film tip
regards
Colin
'93 GTS Man



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bone, Chris (IT13) 
To: Paul ; Colin McCraith 
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather


Glipstone is fantastic and I had tried almost everything else in Halfords including Autoglym (except I admit handbag cream!) . I had very cracked and hard linen coloured leather on my 90GT. Used the cleaner (with a small nail brush like recommended, and some considerable elbow grease and patience) and then two applications of the conditioner the last of which I also wrapped in cling film overnight as I had seen recommended. The cleaner was great and took off dirt I was not expecting, make sure you have lots of clean cloth to wipe off with. The conditioner has made it supple and very nice and of course the famous Glipstone leather smell is readily apparent.

 

You can buy it on line at the link below, reasonably priced and delivered in a couple of days. Make sure you know your colour number as they can match exactly to the Porsche leather.

 

http://www.liquidleather.com/

 

 

Cheers, Chris 1990 GT back on the road again!

 


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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 11 December 2005 22:33
To: Colin McCraith
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

 

Gliptone is very highly regarded. I have some, but of course I've never got around to using it.

 

Cheers

 

Paul



 

On 12/11/05, Colin McCraith <colins928 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 

Hi Guys

Many thanks to those that pointed out my cracked inlet manifold could be (& WAS) cracked paint - So moving on I need to get round to treating my leather, which looks 100% but in fact is hard in areas - I got an Autoglym treatment last year but it was a waste of time and money..I am currently using handbag cream (no smart replies necessary!) however a product to soften and give a nice matt black finish is my ideal - any suggestions?

Ta.

Colin

'93 GTS Man


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From nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 13:47:41 2005
From: nicktinworth at yahoo.co.uk (Nick tinworth)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:47:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] 928 engine update
Message-ID: <20051212134741.69876.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Good afternoon everyong,
  just a quick update on the engine rebuild of my 928S.
  all the valves have now been cleaned and ready to go back in the heads.
   
  i stripped the block yesterday checked all the bores and removed the sump, steam cleaned it and cleaned every other part in the cleaning tank.
  removed the water pump, the steering pump, the alternator and flywheel.
 
put all the clutch back together with new clutch plates etc.
   
  now need the power steering and clutch pipes made as want to replace them as do not want to put together and then for one to leak 100miles down the road. 
   
  Really piss*d off with the gasket set that i bought as i only have 15 valve stem oil seals and not 16. so need to aquire 1 more from somewhere.
  apart from that there is not alot more to be done until it goes back in.
   
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From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk  Mon Dec 12 14:11:07 2005
From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:11:07 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Spotted - At Lats!!
Message-ID: <81E87BA5C8FA454BA97285B0C4591C4A03649D@EDENMAIL.eden.gov.uk>

Anyone know E362OAH?

Really good looking grey S4, just spotted cruising through Penrith town
centre.  First 928 I've seen up here this year (and just in time!)

Gareth
Cumbrian Black 90GT


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From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 14:42:40 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:42:40 -0000
Subject: [928uk] 928 engine update
References: <20051212134741.69876.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c5ff2a$4e7b7430$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Hi Nick
Re  >>>Really piss*d off with the gasket set that i bought as i only have 15 valve stem oil seals and not 16. so need to aquire 1 more from somewhere.>>>
Oh dear.  Where did you get your gasket set from?  Surely they shpould post you one more valve stem oil seal?
Best of luck
Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick tinworth 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:47 PM
  Subject: [928uk] 928 engine update


  Good afternoon everyong,
  just a quick update on the engine rebuild of my 928S.
  all the valves have now been cleaned and ready to go back in the heads.

  i stripped the block yesterday checked all the bores and removed the sump, steam cleaned it and cleaned every other part in the cleaning tank.
  removed the water pump, the steering pump, the alternator and flywheel.
   
  put all the clutch back together with new clutch plates etc.

  now need the power steering and clutch pipes made as want to replace them as do not want to put together and then for one to leak 100miles down the road. 

  Really piss*d off with the gasket set that i bought as i only have 15 valve stem oil seals and not 16. so need to aquire 1 more from somewhere.
  apart from that there is not alot more to be done until it goes back in.
   ! ;
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From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 16:04:08 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:04:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat
Message-ID: <20051212160408.74795.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Got into the GT on Saturday night and moved the seat backwards to get a better position. It moved alright and then it went dead. Now the seat does not respond at all to any of the buttons being pressed. Any suggestions?
   
  Alex
   
  1984 S2
  1990 GT

		
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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Mon Dec 12 15:28:23 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:28:23 -0000
Subject: [928uk] X-pipes...again
Message-ID: <001001c5ff30$b51cbe00$f68e8b56@btconnect.com>

Who was complaining about Richard A's x-pipe cost ???

in the USA xpipes $549 (?309) www.928gt.com
made in the UK ?295 www.ritech-systems.com


"Buy British"... keep the flag flying (was that BL... sorry, bad example)

Rich
'87 Strosek SC
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From drnagwagner at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 12 18:21:03 2005
From: drnagwagner at hotmail.com (dr. nag wagner)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:21:03 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Spotted - At Lats!!
In-Reply-To: <81E87BA5C8FA454BA97285B0C4591C4A03649D@EDENMAIL.eden.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F20C171AD0575FF95B29C96B9460@phx.gbl>

Interesting few daysdown here. Last Wednesday evening an S4, I think, at 
traffic lights in Cavendish Square and being bibbed for being very slow off 
the line, a greeny 928 in the Mailbox car park in Birmingham early on Friday 
morning and the darndest orange monster in a Coventry mental health unit car 
park today. Must have a sit down.
Nick




From marton at befree.ch  Mon Dec 12 18:30:03 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:30:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] No heat
References: <20051212124230.SZAW16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <009101c5ff4a$11f5a060$6401a8c0@simone>

it is under the airbox.

did you check the coolant level?

didyou try the defrost setting, that seems to have a mind of its own - if
you get hot air from there then the problem is probably something to do with
the vacuum pipes and the various levers they work

Marton
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To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: [928uk] No heat


> So I had to bring the 928 on a busines trip today - didn't take long to
work out that the heating's stopped working. It seems to recognise the fact
that it's cold because the fresh air vents are firmly shut, but no heat is
getting into the cabin. I suppose I should suspect the infamous heater tap?
I poked around at the motorway services but couldn't see it - could someone
describe its position for me, and I'll have a better look in the hotel
carpark or somewhere tonight. Or any other suggestions ...
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick C
> 83S - cold!!!
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From marton at befree.ch  Mon Dec 12 18:32:06 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:32:06 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat
References: <20051212160408.74795.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e001c5ff4a$5b28f200$6401a8c0@simone>

check the fuses

grope around under the seat to check nothing came loose in the wiring

get in the back seat and push it forward with your feet

Marton
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  To: 928GB ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:04 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat


  Got into the GT on Saturday night and moved the seat backwards to get a better position. It moved alright and then it went dead. Now the seat does not respond at all to any of the buttons being pressed. Any suggestions?

  Alex

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  1990 GT


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From roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 19:49:33 2005
From: roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk (Nadeem Arshad)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:49:33 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather
In-Reply-To: <000b01c5ff1b$ed343a30$0200a8c0@pc>
Message-ID: <LGEEJAKAHOKCLJIKLJDPOEJICEAA.roger@la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk>

Has anyone tried MER Leather cleaner? Won top aaward in autoexpress leather
cleaners few weeks back.

Rgds,

Nadeem
?90 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Colin McCraith
Sent: 12 December 2005 13:00
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Fw: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

Thanks Guys
and thanks for the link Chris - I will try the product and the cling film
tip
regards
Colin
'93 GTS Man



----- Original Message -----
From: Bone, Chris (IT13) <mailto:Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com>
To: Paul <mailto:ukkid35 at gmail.com>  ; Colin McCraith
<mailto:colins928 at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

Glipstone is fantastic and I had tried almost everything else in Halfords
including Autoglym (except I admit handbag cream!) . I had very cracked and
hard linen coloured leather on my 90GT. Used the cleaner (with a small nail
brush like recommended, and some considerable elbow grease and patience) and
then two applications of the conditioner the last of which I also wrapped in
cling film overnight as I had seen recommended. The cleaner was great and
took off dirt I was not expecting, make sure you have lots of clean cloth to
wipe off with. The conditioner has made it supple and very nice and of
course the famous Glipstone leather smell is readily apparent.

You can buy it on line at the link below, reasonably priced and delivered in
a couple of days. Make sure you know your colour number as they can match
exactly to the Porsche leather.

http://www.liquidleather.com/


Cheers, Chris 1990 GT back on the road again!

  _____

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Paul
Sent: 11 December 2005 22:33
To: Colin McCraith
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

Gliptone is very highly regarded. I have some, but of course I've never got
around to using it.

Cheers

Paul



On 12/11/05, Colin McCraith < colins928 at yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:colins928 at yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
Hi Guys
Many thanks to those that pointed out my cracked inlet manifold could be (&
WAS) cracked paint - So moving on I need to get round to treating my
leather, which looks 100% but in fact is hard in areas - I got an Autoglym
treatment last year but it was a waste of time and money..I am currently
using handbag cream (no smart replies necessary!) however a product to
soften and give a nice matt black finish is my ideal - any suggestions?
Ta.
Colin
'93 GTS Man

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From marcus at randle.org  Mon Dec 12 19:59:26 2005
From: marcus at randle.org (Marcus Randle)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:59:26 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather
In-Reply-To: <LGEEJAKAHOKCLJIKLJDPOEJICEAA.roger@la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAED7L3+M1HtNnDaEuLLkNRkBAENKcKK56exHhShx+P9ify0AAAAmfJkAABAAAAAOh8rvv65eTqmC9fmv0CAKAQAAAAA=@randle.org>

If it's a general reconditioning of the leather, to be followed up by  a
proper buff, and creamify, then I would heartily recommend Neats F|oot Oil,
from your local saddlery.  I guarantee it will soften and recondition
leather, and leave it nice and soft and supple.  Follow that with a good
buff up, and you are laughing.

 

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Nadeem Arshad
Sent: 12 December 2005 19:50
To: Colin McCraith; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

 

Has anyone tried MER Leather cleaner? Won top aaward in autoexpress leather
cleaners few weeks back.

 

Rgds,

 

Nadeem

'90 GT

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Colin McCraith
Sent: 12 December 2005 13:00
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Fw: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

 

Thanks Guys

and thanks for the link Chris - I will try the product and the cling film
tip

regards

Colin

'93 GTS Man

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

From: Bone, Chris (IT13) <mailto:Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com>  

To: Paul <mailto:ukkid35 at gmail.com>  ; Colin <mailto:colins928 at yahoo.co.uk>
McCraith 

Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:59 AM

Subject: RE: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

 

Glipstone is fantastic and I had tried almost everything else in Halfords
including Autoglym (except I admit handbag cream!) . I had very cracked and
hard linen coloured leather on my 90GT. Used the cleaner (with a small nail
brush like recommended, and some considerable elbow grease and patience) and
then two applications of the conditioner the last of which I also wrapped in
cling film overnight as I had seen recommended. The cleaner was great and
took off dirt I was not expecting, make sure you have lots of clean cloth to
wipe off with. The conditioner has made it supple and very nice and of
course the famous Glipstone leather smell is readily apparent.

 

You can buy it on line at the link below, reasonably priced and delivered in
a couple of days. Make sure you know your colour number as they can match
exactly to the Porsche leather.

 

http://www.liquidleather.com/

 

 

Cheers, Chris 1990 GT back on the road again!

 

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Paul
Sent: 11 December 2005 22:33
To: Colin McCraith
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather

 

Gliptone is very highly regarded. I have some, but of course I've never got
around to using it.

 

Cheers

 

Paul



 

On 12/11/05, Colin McCraith <colins928 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 

Hi Guys

Many thanks to those that pointed out my cracked inlet manifold could be (&
WAS) cracked paint - So moving on I need to get round to treating my
leather, which looks 100% but in fact is hard in areas - I got an Autoglym
treatment last year but it was a waste of time and money..I am currently
using handbag cream (no smart replies necessary!) however a product to
soften and give a nice matt black finish is my ideal - any suggestions?

Ta.

Colin

'93 GTS Man


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From donald.peach at virgin.net  Mon Dec 12 21:13:42 2005
From: donald.peach at virgin.net (donald.peach)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:13:42 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Manifolds & Leather
In-Reply-To: <98697a430512111433q8c3a850i7702470311779458@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006901c5ff60$f2245da0$ef0cff3e@peaches0a387f9>

 
 
'Gliptone is very highly regarded. I have some, but of course I've never
got around to using it'
 
Same with me, bought full kit two years ago and not done anything with
it!
 
Regards,
 
Don
88 S4 Manual.
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From cocup at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 12 21:24:58 2005
From: cocup at blueyonder.co.uk (darrell cocup)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:24:58 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Come the day....
Message-ID: <BFC39B2A.1D71%cocup@blueyonder.co.uk>

Question.
How can it possibly take my wonderful wife half an hour to go to the local
Spar to buy a bottle of wine?

Answer
When she goes via the Warminster bypass, just to have a blast in the S4 we
bought from Walter McDermott on Saturday.  Those of you who were at the 'do'
last Saturday week may remember the rather smart marine blue S4 which was
for sale. I looked at it, thought, 'if only' to myself, and reported back to
herself that the only cars for sale were beyond our pocket. You can perhaps
imagine my surprise when I found we'd made an acceptable offer to Walt only
a few minutes later. So much for the 78 item check list so carefully
downloaded from that excellent 928 site in Oz. So much for our savings,
pension and the boys future schooling...
Ho hum

On the other hand, what price the opportunity of meeting as nice a chap as
Walt, and that extraordinary experience of getting to understand exactly
what 300 and how many horses means in practise. And of folk actually giving
way in traffic....and of, for the first time, buying a car that you haven?t
a hope of mending yourself if things go wrong..now there?s a thrill...

Thanks, Walt, for a beautifully prepared and kept motorcar. We?ll try and
look after it as you have.

D

Ex George Best S4..now owned by 2 folk from NI!
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Dec 12 21:53:49 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:53:49 GMT
Subject: [928uk] X-pipes...again
Message-ID: <20051212215349.D318473124C@viper.snap.net.nz>


It was me, and I wasn't "complaining", just commenting. Its up to any 
individual what they are prepared to pay for anything, and who they prefer 
to support with their cash, but as you brought it up again.....
928GT are a commercial organisation, with lots of people making a 
living/profit out of that price.

Richard says he is not making a living from selling them, and at one point 
said that that's how much they cost to get made, but has now gone back to 
saying that he is still recovering his development costs. 

Neither of them give a (dyno) comparison between a standard non-cat system 
and the X pipes, or a system with the same cats before and after, so from 
that point of view, both products leave me wanting more info.

Smiffy


> Who was complaining about Richard A's x-pipe cost ???
> 
> in the USA xpipes $549 (?309) www.928gt.com
> made in the UK ?295 www.ritech-systems.com
> 
> 
> "Buy British"... keep the flag flying (was that BL... sorry, bad
> example)
> 
> Rich
> '87 Strosek SC
'87 Strosek SC




From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Mon Dec 12 22:15:08 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:15:08 EST
Subject: [928uk] X-pipes...again
Message-ID: <12b.6b8dca5b.30cf506c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/12/2005 21:56:21 GMT Standard Time,  
smiffypr at snap.net.nz writes:

Neither  of them give a (dyno) comparison between a standard non-cat system 
and the  X pipes, or a system with the same cats before and after, so from 
that  point of view, both products leave me wanting more  info.



If this year hasn't been too bad i might volunteer to be a test  victim next 
year. If the sound's right and the bell housing access is better i'd  go for 
it as long as no power loss and no leaning out at WOT. Spent out this  year on 
climate control fix (packed up again today) and brake refurb. Cheers  
Tim'92gts  (getting desperate enough to drive to Devizes for cc  fix)
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From marton at befree.ch  Mon Dec 12 23:16:49 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:16:49 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Come the day....
In-Reply-To: <BFC39B2A.1D71%cocup@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43735E9D00C99238@mta-fs-be-01.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

Hi,

 

Good luck with your purchase.

About "And of folk actually giving way in traffic...." funny how they do
that - especially on the autobahn

 

Marton

 

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Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von darrell cocup
Gesendet: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:25 PM
An: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: [928uk] Come the day....

 

Question.
How can it possibly take my wonderful wife half an hour to go to the local
Spar to buy a bottle of wine?

Answer
When she goes via the Warminster bypass, just to have a blast in the S4 we
bought from Walter McDermott on Saturday.  Those of you who were at the 'do'
last Saturday week may remember the rather smart marine blue S4 which was
for sale. I looked at it, thought, 'if only' to myself, and reported back to
herself that the only cars for sale were beyond our pocket. You can perhaps
imagine my surprise when I found we'd made an acceptable offer to Walt only
a few minutes later. So much for the 78 item check list so carefully
downloaded from that excellent 928 site in Oz. So much for our savings,
pension and the boys future schooling...
Ho hum

On the other hand, what price the opportunity of meeting as nice a chap as
Walt, and that extraordinary experience of getting to understand exactly
what 300 and how many horses means in practise. And of folk actually giving
way in traffic....and of, for the first time, buying a car that you haven't
a hope of mending yourself if things go wrong..now there's a thrill...

Thanks, Walt, for a beautifully prepared and kept motorcar. We'll try and
look after it as you have.

D

Ex George Best S4..now owned by 2 folk from NI! 

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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Mon Dec 12 22:52:47 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:52:47 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Come the day....
Message-ID: <002301c5ff6e$c5c90c20$f68e8b56@btconnect.com>

Come the day....
hats off to your better half Darrell, Christina won't drive ours at all...

welcome to the best Porsche you'll ever own... and that's not even my quote...

up for that pub meet any time Darrell (except tomorrow and wednesday, in Ireland)...

ps we have a SW 928 meet more or less once a month, if you want to join your
local bunch of 928.org, 100% informal, same principle as the  928 uk just local-er.
check out www.hans.me.uk if you have'nt already.

Cheers,
Rich
'87 Strosek (928 number 2 coming soon)
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: darrell cocup 
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:24 PM
    Subject: [928uk] Come the day....


    Question.
    How can it possibly take my wonderful wife half an hour to go to the local Spar to buy a bottle of wine?

    Answer
    When she goes via the Warminster bypass, just to have a blast in the S4 we bought from Walter McDermott on Saturday.  Those of you who were at the 'do' last Saturday week may remember the rather smart marine blue S4 which was for sale. I looked at it, thought, 'if only' to myself, and reported back to herself that the only cars for sale were beyond our pocket. You can perhaps imagine my surprise when I found we'd made an acceptable offer to Walt only a few minutes later. So much for the 78 item check list so carefully downloaded from that excellent 928 site in Oz. So much for our savings, pension and the boys future schooling...
    Ho hum

    On the other hand, what price the opportunity of meeting as nice a chap as Walt, and that extraordinary experience of getting to understand exactly what 300 and how many horses means in practise. And of folk actually giving way in traffic....and of, for the first time, buying a car that you haven't a hope of mending yourself if things go wrong..now there's a thrill...

    Thanks, Walt, for a beautifully prepared and kept motorcar. We'll try and look after it as you have.

    D

    Ex George Best S4..now owned by 2 folk from NI! 


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From waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 13 01:00:07 2005
From: waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk (waltermcdermott at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:00:07 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <008c01c5ff15$228450a0$3f667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <4366F1E5000F0126@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

Deffo buy from a list member, pre 89 non digital dash model s4's dont seem
to cause as much problems electrically as 89 on models,styling on S,S2,or
S4 as someone said  is a personal thing, but i doubt you would get a Decent
s4 with a 6k budget so look for a good S2.
good luck they are fantastic cars
regards walt
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
>Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:11:06 +1300
>Reply-To: Paul R Smith <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>
>
>Most people seem to have a preference for the look of either the S or S4,
>that's a 
>personal thing.
>Also there is quite a difference in the shape of the torque curves, and
some
>might prefer 
>the S's slightly more urgent feel as the revs rise.
>Other than that, condition, condition, condition.
>
>Smiffy
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Graham Manning" <gjm123 at gmail.com>
>To: "Chris Byham" <chris_byham at yahoo.com>
>Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
>
>
>I'd recommend the S2. For ?6k you should be able to get a very good one,
>while good S4s can be more expensive. It may be worth speaking to Paul at
>928Spares or Chris at Loe Bank to see if they know of any good cars being
>available.
>
>And as you say, the S4 is only *slightly* more powerful.
>
>- Graham
>'84 Strosek S2
>
>
>On 12/12/05, Chris Byham <chris_byham at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Morning all,
>>
>> Well two weeks after saying that I'd see if the Jag would pass another
>MOT
>> before deciding what to do with it, I'm throwing in the towel. Brakes
aren't
>> working, and now I've got a bigger petrol leak than Hemel Hempstead!!
>>
>> So, now the 928 hunting begins in ernest. And of course, so do the
>> questions. First thing to note is my budget is ?6k and not a penny more!
>So
>> don't suggest GT cars please ;-) I'm also leaning towards buying from
a
>> dealer rather than private as it's easier to harrass an organisation if
>> things are misrepresented and problems arrise just after purchase (I bought
>> my Jag privately from someone I mistakenly believed to be both trustworthy
>> and an enthusiast, then I when I found problems, I discovered he'd moved
>> abroad!!!).
>>
>> First one is : S2 versus S4. From what I can see (ie the little I know),
>> the S2 is mechanically simpler (non-interferen! ce engine) but the S4
is
>> slightly more powerful. What else is there to consider, and which way
would
>> people recommend I go?
>>
>> Secondly, there's a few cars for sale via dealers, one in Chelsea Harbour
>> (S2) and a couple in High Wycombe (both S4 lhd). All have been on the
market
>> for a while. Does this mean I should be worried about them, or is it just
>a
>> slow time of year? Does anyone know either of these dealers (Bespoke cars
>of
>> Chelsea Harbour or Special Car Company of High Wycombe) or history of
the
>> cars they are selling? (Just asking because it is a small world!).
>>
>> That will do for now I think, but I'm sure I'll think of others later!!
>>
>> Chris
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Dec 13 01:49:21 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:49:21 +0000
Subject: [928uk] No heat
In-Reply-To: <20051212124230.SZAW16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20051212124230.SZAW16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <PGFSMXEhiinDFwvI@ritech-systems.com>

Nick
Strangely enough the same thing happened to me tonight. My coolant level
was down in the bottom third of the expansion tank. I topped it up and
the heating works fine. If its not that its the little plastic valve
under the air filter housing. It defaults to open (ie heat!) so its not
usual to jam closed as it springs open when the vacuum decays, but they
are rubbish.

928 headlights are pants. The main beam was just about acceptable, but
dip is like a pair of acetylene lamps compared to my daily driver modern
rubbish car. I wonder what can be done to improve things - the washers
did help, but its just old technology.

Richard



In message
<20051212124230.SZAW16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com at smtp.ntlworld.com>
, Nick Carrington <nick.carrington at ntlworld.com> writes
>So I had to bring the 928 on a busines trip today - didn't take long to work
>out that the heating's stopped working. It seems to recognise the fact
>that it's cold because the fresh air vents are firmly shut, but no heat is
>getting into the cabin. I suppose I should suspect the infamous heater
>tap? I poked around at the motorway services but couldn't see it - could
>someone describe its position for me, and I'll have a better look in the
>hotel carpark or somewhere tonight. Or any other suggestions ...
>
>Thanks
>
>Nick C
>83S - cold!!!

-- 
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From christian.w at virgin.net  Tue Dec 13 07:32:49 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:32:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat
References: <20051212160408.74795.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c5ffb7$6c0df800$0202a8c0@Christian>

I'd check the fuses 1st then the motor.
Christian
'86 S2
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alexander Popov 
  To: 928GB ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 4:04 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat


  Got into the GT on Saturday night and moved the seat backwards to get a better position. It moved alright and then it went dead. Now the seat does not respond at all to any of the buttons being pressed. Any suggestions?

  Alex

  1984 S2
  1990 GT


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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 07:33:57 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:33:57 EST
Subject: [928uk] No heat
Message-ID: <2b8.2365183.30cfd365@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 13/12/2005 01:58:57 GMT Standard Time,  
richard at ritech-systems.com writes:

The main  beam was just about acceptable, but
dip is like a pair of acetylene lamps  


Hi Richard, it's worth looking at the bluer bulbs, they're supposed to be  
30% brighter. Mine aren't too bad but on the Alfa i used to run 130/100 s as had 
 no driving lights. When i did this upgrade on the Land Rover it burnt out 
the  switches so i had to put in relays. HTH Tim'92gts
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From chris_byham at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 09:45:18 2005
From: chris_byham at yahoo.com (Chris Byham)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:45:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <4366F1E5000F0126@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <20051213094518.92771.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for all the comments. I can understand the suggestion of buying from a list member, however I'm looking to get a car within a couple of weeks rather than just waiting for someone to decide to sell up!
   
  To answer the comment about these being old cars, well I do enjoy getting my hands dirty! Between my '86 XJS and my '66 MGB, I've rebuilt engines and gearboxes, welded things, braized things and generally done my best to keep both going for five or six years. Problem with the Jag is not mechanical, it's rust. I'm fed up with the damn thing rusting away faster than I can weld bits into it!
   
  Any car I own will have to live outside, although I am considering buying a car-cover for any new purchase. The XJS has an appalling record for water leaks which is not ideal in an "outdoors" car (surprisingly it has been worse than my MG which is a soft-top!).
   
  If anyone is thinking of selling an S2, and lives somewhere down near Bedfordshire, feel free to drop me a line.
   
  I'm probably going to go over to High Wycombe on Sunday and take a look at / drive of the two lhd S4s. Mainly because I've not driven a 928 yet, and the chance to try two in one go would be a good benchmark for comparing other cars to.
   
  Chris

			
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:52:25 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:52:25 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat
In-Reply-To: <20051212160408.74795.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051212160408.74795.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512130152u219d881em70653a2c86988591@mail.gmail.com>

If you use the manual seat adjuster be sure to have someone help by pushing
the seat in the direction you want to move it, as apparently the plastic cog
can strip its teeth fairly easily.

Paul



On 12/12/05, Alexander Popov <alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Got into the GT on Saturday night and moved the seat backwards to get a
> better position. It moved alright and then it went dead. Now the seat does
> not respond at all to any of the buttons being pressed. Any suggestions?
>
> Alex
>
> 1984 S2
> 1990 GT
>
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From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Tue Dec 13 10:08:28 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:08:28 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat
Message-ID: <005f01c5ffcd$2a58d310$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Alex The main plug under the seat may have pulled out.  Being tall I always had seat on lowest setting.  This happened to me twice so I made a metal cowling so it could not snag when moving backwards which it sometimes did, cured it.  You may need to remove seat.  
Regards Simon
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alexander Popov 
    To: 928GB ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 4:04 PM
    Subject: [928uk] Dead Driver's Seat


    Got into the GT on Saturday night and moved the seat backwards to get a better position. It moved alright and then it went dead. Now the seat does not respond at all to any of the buttons being pressed. Any suggestions?

    Alex

    1984 S2
    1990 GT


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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 10:19:38 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:19:38 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <20051213094518.92771.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <4366F1E5000F0126@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
	<20051213094518.92771.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512130219g5f4a1fd9pff4cc80292c5884b@mail.gmail.com>

That just rings alarm bells, as most of us have spent several weeks if not
months looking for their 928. I personally spent 3 months looking,
travelling as far as Manchester (from London) to view cars, although I
wanted a manual which makes it much harder.

Take your time, or you could waste much more time later on.

Good luck

Paul


On 12/13/05, Chris Byham <chris_byham at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "however I'm looking to get a car within a couple of weeks rather than
> just waiting for someone to decide to sell up!"
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From bazmonaut at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 13 13:41:12 2005
From: bazmonaut at hotmail.com (Barry Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:41:12 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ball joint seperator - can't find...?
Message-ID: <BAY101-F22C01BDA2A21322A56AA7DBA390@phx.gbl>

Hi all

My 928 is on axle stands in my drive, wheels off etc etc. I am in the middle 
of R&Ring the front shocks and a couple of other jobs, problem is I can't 
find a scissor-type ball joint seperator to fit!

You live and learn - standard scissor-type seperators are all 19mm (jaw 
width), but from my measurements I need 27-29mm. Can't find one anywhere. 
The manual says use 'VW 267a', however they're ?126.32!

Final option is to attempt to modify the one I have by cutting it down and 
welding on some 4mm plate...

Unless....?

If you have a reply, could you reply to me as well as the list? I don't seem 
to be getting every email (have emailed Angus to advise).

Cheers

Barry
'89 S4




From bazmonaut at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 13 13:47:05 2005
From: bazmonaut at hotmail.com (Barry Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:47:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] My car doesn't do what the 'drivers manual' says it
	should...
Message-ID: <BAY101-F102E5BC0CB86954E0A65C6BA390@phx.gbl>

...hi all again.

Five months after I ordered (and paid for) it, I have finally recieved the 
drivers manual for my '89 S4.

However the manual lists a number of fairly minor things that my car should 
do but doesn't:
- windows & sunroof open/close all the way when button held for a second (or 
so)
- windows/sunroof close when key turned to 'lock' in drivers door for more 
than a second (or so)

Do I have an electrical fault or is this not standard on all cars? If not 
standard, is there a controller box that I can retro-fit?

Cheers

Barry
'89 S4




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 14:02:24 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:02:24 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Ball joint seperator - can't find...?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F22C01BDA2A21322A56AA7DBA390@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-F22C01BDA2A21322A56AA7DBA390@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <98697a430512130602o6eed58e5l95bf457330baf8f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Barry

You don't actually need to separate the knuckle from either upper or lower
arm, but perhaps the "other jobs" you mention do need it separated.

http://members.rennlist.com/v1uhoh/lowera.htm

Either way, when you find one the correct size you may find you need a new
ball joint anyway, as the thread can become compressed by the separator, as
the force needed is significant (be prepared for a loud bang). If you leave
the nut on the thread this may help, but it may simply stop you from being
able to tighten the nut fully on reassembly. I managed to salvage the
damaged thread.

I've seen a separator of the right size in Midnight Motors in Wembly for
about ?45. Can't remember the manufacturer.

Cheers

Paul


On 12/13/05, Barry Johnson <bazmonaut at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> My 928 is on axle stands in my drive, wheels off etc etc. I am in the
> middle
> of R&Ring the front shocks and a couple of other jobs, problem is I can't
> find a scissor-type ball joint seperator to fit!
>
> You live and learn - standard scissor-type seperators are all 19mm (jaw
> width), but from my measurements I need 27-29mm. Can't find one anywhere.
> The manual says use 'VW 267a', however they're ?126.32!
>
> Final option is to attempt to modify the one I have by cutting it down and
> welding on some 4mm plate...
>
> Unless....?
>
> If you have a reply, could you reply to me as well as the list? I don't
> seem
> to be getting every email (have emailed Angus to advise).
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
> '89 S4
>
>
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From marton at befree.ch  Tue Dec 13 17:15:28 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:15:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
References: <20051213094518.92771.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c60008$d1fb8d20$6401a8c0@simone>

I have never seen a rusty 928, I am sure they exist but I never saw one.  They have lots of alloy and galvanised steel parts which helps.

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Byham 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff


  Thanks for all the comments. I can understand the suggestion of buying from a list member, however I'm looking to get a car within a couple of weeks rather than just waiting for someone to decide to sell up!

  To answer the comment about these being old cars, well I do enjoy getting my hands dirty! Between my '86 XJS and my '66 MGB, I've rebuilt engines and gearboxes, welded things, braized things and generally done my best to keep both going for five or six years. Problem with the Jag is not mechanical, it's rust. I'm fed up with the damn thing rusting away faster than I can weld bits into it!

  Any car I own will have to live outside, although I am considering buying a car-cover for any new purchase. The XJS has an appalling record for water leaks which is not ideal in an "outdoors" car (surprisingly it has been worse than my MG which is a soft-top!).

  If anyone is thinking of sell! ing an S2, and lives somewhere down near Bedfordshire, feel free to drop me a line.

  I'm probably going to go over to High Wycombe on Sunday and take a look at / drive of the two lhd S4s. Mainly because I've not driven a 928 yet, and the chance to try two in one go would be a good benchmark for comparing other cars to.

  Chris


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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:48:03 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:48:03 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <008f01c60008$d1fb8d20$6401a8c0@simone>
References: <20051213094518.92771.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com>
	<008f01c60008$d1fb8d20$6401a8c0@simone>
Message-ID: <98697a430512130948i7d234460kaa4333ca6edd365e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Marton

I agree the bodywork don't rust much, but suspension and brake components do
corrode. Calipers are renoun for corrosion causing pads to stick and brakes
to squeal. The rear suspension pins corrode making them near impossible to
remove. The ABS sensors are impossible to remove on UK cars, but you can buy
used ABS sensors from California easily. The front tow hook plug corrodes
and never comes out again. The sill at the bottom of the windscreen rusts.
The nylon pad is often lost from the petrol flap mechanism, causing the flap
to corrode and the paintwork to suffer. The fuel lines are exposed in the
rear wheel well and then suffer too. The height adjusters corrode causing
them to seize.

I'm sure there's much more instore that I haven't discovered yet.

One of the reasons I've never been in too much of a hurry to fix oil leaks
on the underside of the engine is because of the extra protection it affords
the underside of the car.

Paul


On 12/13/05, marton <marton at befree.ch> wrote:
>
> I have never seen a rusty 928, I am sure they exist but I never saw one.
> They have lots of alloy and galvanised steel parts which helps.
>
> Marton
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From go928 at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 13 18:05:03 2005
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham 928)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:05:03 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Come the day....
In-Reply-To: <BFC39B2A.1D71%cocup@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000201c6000f$bedef4f0$0100a8c0@Desktop>

Hi Darrell,
 
Congratulations on the purchase.  It certainly looks a nice car.  I've had
mine four years now, I use it every day and I still find myself taking
detours just for the fun of it.  Enjoy!!
 
Graham (91 S4)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of darrell cocup
Sent: 12 December 2005 21:25
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Come the day....


Question.
How can it possibly take my wonderful wife half an hour to go to the local
Spar to buy a bottle of wine?

Answer
When she goes via the Warminster bypass, just to have a blast in the S4 we
bought from Walter McDermott on Saturday.  Those of you who were at the 'do'
last Saturday week may remember the rather smart marine blue S4 which was
for sale. I looked at it, thought, 'if only' to myself, and reported back to
herself that the only cars for sale were beyond our pocket. You can perhaps
imagine my surprise when I found we'd made an acceptable offer to Walt only
a few minutes later. So much for the 78 item check list so carefully
downloaded from that excellent 928 site in Oz. So much for our savings,
pension and the boys future schooling...
Ho hum

On the other hand, what price the opportunity of meeting as nice a chap as
Walt, and that extraordinary experience of getting to understand exactly
what 300 and how many horses means in practise. And of folk actually giving
way in traffic....and of, for the first time, buying a car that you haven't
a hope of mending yourself if things go wrong..now there's a thrill...

Thanks, Walt, for a beautifully prepared and kept motorcar. We'll try and
look after it as you have.

D

Ex George Best S4..now owned by 2 folk from NI! 

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From go928 at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 13 18:52:15 2005
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham 928)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:52:15 -0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <20051213094518.92771.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c60016$580c4f00$0100a8c0@Desktop>

If you are in a hurry be VERY careful.  There are a lot of people out there
who are happy to pay ?5k or so for a genuine supercar but don't want (or
can't afford) the cost of maintaining it.  There are not too many 928s
coming to the market nowadays and the good ones tend to sell quickly via the
list or PCGB.  As a result the majority of cars on the market at any time
are real dogs that just keep floating around.
 
If you have not driven a 928 before try to get a ride with someone who has a
well sorted car so you know what a good (or more to the point, bad) 928
feels like.
 
Good luck with the search.
 
Graham (91 S4)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Chris Byham
Sent: 13 December 2005 09:45
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff


 ...........  however I'm looking to get a car within a couple of weeks
rather than just waiting for someone to decide to sell up!
 

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From pierreweidemann at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 19:37:31 2005
From: pierreweidemann at yahoo.com (Pierre Weidemann)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:37:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [928uk] hey everyone... 928s and snow?
Message-ID: <20051213193731.39442.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>

I am going up to Mammoth California to ski and driving up the mountain with the 928... is the 928 as a car bad in the snow or is it all about the tires? like in most cars? 
  any tips ? 
   
   
  pierre
  1986 928s White
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From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Dec 13 19:56:46 2005
From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:56:46 +0000
Subject: [928uk] hey everyone... 928s and snow?
In-Reply-To: <20051213193731.39442.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051213193731.39442.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <439F277E.6050001@blueyonder.co.uk>

Hi Pierre,

I've never driven my 928 in the snow but I did drive a 968 that I used 
to own. I wouldn't do it again! Snow in other cars really doesn't phase 
me. I was driving my 968 home from work in standard road tyres over the 
Pennines in a few inches of snow. I was driving very carefully up a 
fairly steep hill on a slight bend when all of a sudden I did a 180 in 
the road. I felt totally helpless. Fortunately it came to rest a few 
inches from the rock face but knocked the wind out of me I can tell you! 
I found a nearby layby and waited for a gritter.

That was my first and last experience of  Porsches and snow. Rear wheel 
drive and snow aren't a great combination unless... you're in a big 
empty car park! I guess with the perfect weight balance and big wide 
tyres it makes a better sledge than a car when in the snow :-)

John 928 S4 Auto 91

Pierre Weidemann wrote:

> I am going up to Mammoth California to ski and driving up the mountain 
> with the 928... is the 928 as a car bad in the snow or is it all about 
> the tires? like in most cars?
> any tips ?
>  
>  
> pierre
> 1986 928s White
>
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Dec 13 21:07:31 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:07:31 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Ball joint seperator - can't find...?
Message-ID: <20051213210731.9E61472F024@viper.snap.net.nz>

Machine Mart do a big one.

Smiffy

> Hi all
> 
> My 928 is on axle stands in my drive, wheels off etc etc. I am in the 
middle 
> of R&Ring the front shocks and a couple of other jobs, problem is I 
can't 
> find a scissor-type ball joint seperator to fit!
> 
> You live and learn - standard scissor-type seperators are all 19mm (jaw 
> width), but from my measurements I need 27-29mm. Can't find one 
anywhere. 
> The manual says use 'VW 267a', however they're ?126.32!
> 
> Final option is to attempt to modify the one I have by cutting it down 
and 
> welding on some 4mm plate...
> 
> Unless....?
> 
> If you have a reply, could you reply to me as well as the list? I don't 
seem 
> to be getting every email (have emailed Angus to advise).
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Barry
> '89 S4
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From donald.peach at virgin.net  Tue Dec 13 21:25:07 2005
From: donald.peach at virgin.net (donald.peach)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:25:07 -0000
Subject: [928uk] hey everyone... 928s and snow?
In-Reply-To: <20051213193731.39442.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6002b$b50c3e30$920cff3e@peaches0a387f9>

Hi Pierre,
 
I've owned a 944, 944S2 and now the 928 S4. I have driven all three in
the snow and the 928 is the only one I haven't spun... yet! The wide
rear tyre and torque of the car doesn't lend itself to snow and ice. On
purchasing the 928 over the Christmas period of 03/04, my first long
drive was to Paul A for a cambelt change. On picking the car up a few
evenings later, a couple of inches of snow fell during the few minutes
it took to pay Paul's bill. I could hardly believe it and certainly
didn't like the idea of driving a 'new' car in the snow, but set off
with caution. The steep hill out of Stroud to Cirencester was a real
worry as there had been no time for the gritters to get out. However, I
found that if I put the car into fifth gear it would drive comfortably
at between 20 and 30mph - not something I could do in the 944. At this
speed I felt I was being a bit over cautious, but I got home without so
much as a twitch. If you have a manual, I would suggest getting into
fifth as soon as possible and only applying light pressure to the
throttle when accelerating. After getting used to the car, over the two
years I have had it, I have had many 'back end' slides, but at the
speeds I drive they are correctable and predictable - usually as I
accelerate out of a roundabout. 
 
Your biggest problem looks to be the fact that you will be invisible
wearing winter camouflage! 
 
Regards,
 
Don.
88. S4 Manual.
 
 
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From donald.peach at virgin.net  Tue Dec 13 21:50:08 2005
From: donald.peach at virgin.net (donald.peach)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:50:08 -0000
Subject: [928uk] X-pipes...again
In-Reply-To: <20051212215349.D318473124C@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <000001c6002f$31257880$920cff3e@peaches0a387f9>

'Its up to any individual what they are prepared to pay for anything,
and who they prefer to support with their cash'

Absolutely!

Richard ran a full diagnostic/prophylactic on my A/C and I really do
think it was value for money - nothing needed doing, so I really was
paying for peace of mind which then normally feels like money wasted! 

After the A/C test was completed I was given a run in his car to hear
the X-pipes play. They sounded great, not too loud on the cruise, but
throaty on acceleration. Given what I saw of Richards work and
commitment to customer satisfaction, I would say that he is charging a
realistic price and one that leaves you feeling you have value for
money. I don't see anything wrong in him pricing the product to help
cover some of the development costs. After all, Paul A' and Ray Northway
(I use them both for servicing) charge us for their work and yet we are
happy that they charge enough to make a living - god forbid they should
go out of business because they couldn't make enough to buy equipment or
develop their premises.   







From marton at befree.ch  Tue Dec 13 22:17:38 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:17:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
References: <20051213094518.92771.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com>
	<008f01c60008$d1fb8d20$6401a8c0@simone>
	<98697a430512130948i7d234460kaa4333ca6edd365e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c60033$072c1760$6401a8c0@simone>

Hi Paul,

agree with all that, but I changed my front pads in my 81s about 2 weeks ago and there was no sign of corrosion although the 928 is my winter car - and we get real winters in zurich...

I did not know about "The sill at the bottom of the windscreen rusts." must have a good look at mine at the weekend

cheers

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul 
  To: marton 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff


  Hi Marton

  I agree the bodywork don't rust much, but suspension and brake components do corrode. Calipers are renoun for corrosion causing pads to stick and brakes to squeal. The rear suspension pins corrode making them near impossible to remove. The ABS sensors are impossible to remove on UK cars, but you can buy used ABS sensors from California easily. The front tow hook plug corrodes and never comes out again. The sill at the bottom of the windscreen rusts. The nylon pad is often lost from the petrol flap mechanism, causing the flap to corrode and the paintwork to suffer. The fuel lines are exposed in the rear wheel well and then suffer too. The height adjusters corrode causing them to seize. 

  I'm sure there's much more instore that I haven't discovered yet.

  One of the reasons I've never been in too much of a hurry to fix oil leaks on the underside of the engine is because of the extra protection it affords the underside of the car.

  Paul

   
  On 12/13/05, marton <marton at befree.ch> wrote: 
    I have never seen a rusty 928, I am sure they exist but I never saw one.  They have lots of alloy and galvanised steel parts which helps.

    Marton


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From peter.suddes at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 13 22:21:43 2005
From: peter.suddes at btinternet.com (Peter Suddes)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:21:43 -0000
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <003e01c60033$990e2150$27028956@D4T1S01J>

Hi everybody,
Ive just tried to start my 928 and a bit of petrol has gathered in the bottom of the v underneath the injection sytem. It turns over but will not start. Does anybody have any suggestions?
Many thanks
Peter 83s
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From marton at befree.ch  Tue Dec 13 22:21:03 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:21:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] hey everyone... 928s and snow?
References: <20051213193731.39442.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c60033$81737f40$6401a8c0@simone>

my 928 is my winter car and we have real winters in zurich.  I have yoko snow tires and it is a manual, in 5 years never got stuck or had a problem in snow.

Marton
do not try it with summer tires, at 0C degrees they have no adhesion - they are designed to have good adhesion when warm.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pierre Weidemann 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:37 PM
  Subject: [928uk] hey everyone... 928s and snow?


  I am going up to Mammoth California to ski and driving up the mountain with the 928... is the 928 as a car bad in the snow or is it all about the tires? like in most cars? 
  any tips ? 


  pierre
  1986 928s White


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From ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Dec 13 22:39:21 2005
From: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk (Ian & Lynn)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:39:21 -0000
Subject: [928uk] X-pipes...again
References: <000001c6002f$31257880$920cff3e@peaches0a387f9>
Message-ID: <007a01c60036$10ad88c0$0502a8c0@Orac>

Top words Donald!
I couldn't have put it better myself.

Best Regards

Ian

Black S4


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "donald.peach" <donald.peach at virgin.net>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] X-pipes...again


> 'Its up to any individual what they are prepared to pay for anything,
> and who they prefer to support with their cash'
> 
> Absolutely!
> 
> Richard ran a full diagnostic/prophylactic on my A/C and I really do
> think it was value for money - nothing needed doing, so I really was
> paying for peace of mind which then normally feels like money wasted! 
> 
> After the A/C test was completed I was given a run in his car to hear
> the X-pipes play. They sounded great, not too loud on the cruise, but
> throaty on acceleration. Given what I saw of Richards work and
> commitment to customer satisfaction, I would say that he is charging a
> realistic price and one that leaves you feeling you have value for
> money. I don't see anything wrong in him pricing the product to help
> cover some of the development costs. After all, Paul A' and Ray Northway
> (I use them both for servicing) charge us for their work and yet we are
> happy that they charge enough to make a living - god forbid they should
> go out of business because they couldn't make enough to buy equipment or
> develop their premises.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Dec 13 23:14:29 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:14:29 GMT
Subject: [928uk] My car doesn't do what the 'drivers manual' says it
Message-ID: <20051213231429.5F1E2731477@viper.snap.net.nz>

First thing to check is the "model year" of your car, not the year it was 
first registered. You can work it out from the chassis number.

If yours is an 89, and that feature is on the 89, you should have the 
control unit under the passenger seat, and there may be a fault in that, 
or there may be a blown fuse (more than one fuse feeds that unit).

If your car hasn't got it (e.g. its an older car), retrofitting the 
Porsche unit would be very, very difficult and expensive, you would be 
better off buying add-on units to perform the functions.

Smiffy

> ....hi all again.
> 
> Five months after I ordered (and paid for) it, I have finally recieved 
the 
> drivers manual for my '89 S4.
> 
> However the manual lists a number of fairly minor things that my car 
should 
> do but doesn't:
> - windows & sunroof open/close all the way when button held for a second 
(or 
> so)
> - windows/sunroof close when key turned to 'lock' in drivers door for 
more 
> than a second (or so)
> 
> Do I have an electrical fault or is this not standard on all cars? If 
not 
> standard, is there a controller box that I can retro-fit?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Barry
> '89 S4
> 
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From ppconway at mac.com  Tue Dec 13 23:42:18 2005
From: ppconway at mac.com (Paul Conway)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:42:18 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <00a801c60016$580c4f00$0100a8c0@Desktop>
References: <00a801c60016$580c4f00$0100a8c0@Desktop>
Message-ID: <15E2418D-9807-4CDF-B7DB-889D59FC13EA@mac.com>

Have to agree, I waited about 5 months to find my GTS. IT is well  
worth it driving as many as you can find - good and bad - there may  
be someone on list prepared to take you for a spin. Caution is  
definitely the practice in buying a 928.  Good luck though, be sure  
to ask list about specific cars you come across out there - many cars  
are well known, including the drongos


On 13 Dec 2005, at 18:52, Graham 928 wrote:

> If you are in a hurry be VERY careful.  There are a lot of people  
> out there who are happy to pay ?5k or so for a genuine supercar but  
> don't want (or can't afford) the cost of maintaining it.  There are  
> not too many 928s coming to the market nowadays and the good ones  
> tend to sell quickly via the list or PCGB.  As a result the  
> majority of cars on the market at any time are real dogs that just  
> keep floating around.
>
> If you have not driven a 928 before try to get a ride with someone  
> who has a well sorted car so you know what a good (or more to the  
> point, bad) 928 feels like.
>
> Good luck with the search.
>
> Graham (91 S4)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On  
> Behalf Of Chris Byham
> Sent: 13 December 2005 09:45
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
>
>  ...........  however I'm looking to get a car within a couple of  
> weeks rather than just waiting for someone to decide to sell up!
>
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Wed Dec 14 05:56:41 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:56:41 +0000
Subject: [928uk] hey everyone... 928s and snow?
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Nice one Don, 

thats the key to 28's mate, i take it really easy in the 928 in this
weather, driving like a pussy springs to mind as the wide tyres lend
them selves to spinning and gliding across ice, especialy without a  bit
of practice on a wet track in a car without LSD or ABS, loverly to drive
in snow as long as you have a light right foot, to heavy and all you'll
do is stand still and spin the wheels.

Joe daily 83S


----- Original message -----
From: "donald.peach" <donald.peach at virgin.net>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:25:07 -0000
Subject: RE: [928uk] hey everyone... 928s and snow?

Hi Pierre,
 
I've owned a 944, 944S2 and now the 928 S4. I have driven all three in
the snow and the 928 is the only one I haven't spun... yet! The wide
rear tyre and torque of the car doesn't lend itself to snow and ice. On
purchasing the 928 over the Christmas period of 03/04, my first long
drive was to Paul A for a cambelt change. On picking the car up a few
evenings later, a couple of inches of snow fell during the few minutes
it took to pay Paul's bill. I could hardly believe it and certainly
didn't like the idea of driving a 'new' car in the snow, but set off
with caution. The steep hill out of Stroud to Cirencester was a real
worry as there had been no time for the gritters to get out. However, I
found that if I put the car into fifth gear it would drive comfortably
at between 20 and 30mph - not something I could do in the 944. At this
speed I felt I was being a bit over cautious, but I got home without so
much as a twitch. If you have a manual, I would suggest getting into
fifth as soon as possible and only applying light pressure to the
throttle when accelerating. After getting used to the car, over the two
years I have had it, I have had many 'back end' slides, but at the
speeds I drive they are correctable and predictable - usually as I
accelerate out of a roundabout. 
 
Your biggest problem looks to be the fact that you will be invisible
wearing winter camouflage! 
 
Regards,
 
Don.
88. S4 Manual.
 
 


From willsco at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 07:19:53 2005
From: willsco at gmail.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:19:53 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
Message-ID: <439fc79e.277060e3.192e.1ba2@mx.gmail.com>

Following recent brief headlamp discussions...

On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?

If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and won't
burn out the electrics? 

If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?

If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they
commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?

Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently you
can't drive very fast as you are worried that they might blow out!

Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the M4
from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights were
pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in
this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks at
Swindon fairly challenging at speed

regards

Mike
'79 Auto


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From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 08:45:29 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:45:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
In-Reply-To: <439fc79e.277060e3.192e.1ba2@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051214084529.30273.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I think all European spec Porsches came with H4 lights, but I stand to be corrected
   
  The solution I think is to fit more powerful bulbs. The PO of my GT was kind enough to fit 80w/100w bulbs and the difference is amazing. The car has done close to 16,000 miles with this headlights setup since it was raised from the dead and I am happy to report that there has been no problems.
   
  It is vital that your headlights are adjusted 100% spot on if you are about to fit more powerful bulbs.
   
  Alex
   
  1984 928 S2 5spd
  1990 928 GT
  1989 VW Golf 2 GTI 16v

Mike Williams <willsco at gmail.com> wrote:
      Following recent brief headlamp discussions...
  On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?
  If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and won't burn out the electrics? 
  If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?
  If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?
  Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently you can't drive very fast as you are worried that they might blow out!
  Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the M4 from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights were pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks at Swindon fairly challenging at speed
  regards
  Mike
'79 Auto
  
 
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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Wed Dec 14 09:21:15 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:21:15 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
References: <439fc79e.277060e3.192e.1ba2@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c6008f$bcc94c30$79667cca@computername>

First thing to check is the voltage at the bulbs, as bad connections etc will reduce the 
brightness significantly.

Personally, I think the 928 headlamps are great, much better than many modern (non 
circular) lights.

Smiffy (half blind)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Williams" <willsco at gmail.com>
To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up


> Following recent brief headlamp discussions...
>
> On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?
>
> If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and won't
> burn out the electrics?
>
> If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?
>
> If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they
> commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?
>
> Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently you
> can't drive very fast as you are worried that they might blow out!
>
> Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the M4
> from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights were
> pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in
> this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks at
> Swindon fairly challenging at speed
>
> regards
>
> Mike
> '79 Auto
>
>
> <http://www.9two8.com>
>
>


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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Wed Dec 14 11:41:35 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:41:35 +1300
Subject: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <004101c60033$072c1760$6401a8c0@simone>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIEGBDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Have a good look at the area where the rear edge joint of the front wing
joins to the horizontal part of the inner wing/ firewall - ie directly above
the fuse board just in front of the most dark recesses of theglove box.

Jon in NZ
Thats the only serious rust I've found yet on the SE - probably because it's
one of the only places where water can collect.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of marton
  Sent: 14 December 2005 11:18
  To: Paul
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff


  Hi Paul,

  agree with all that, but I changed my front pads in my 81s about 2 weeks
ago and there was no sign of corrosion although the 928 is my winter car -
and we get real winters in zurich...

  I did not know about "The sill at the bottom of the windscreen rusts."
must have a good look at mine at the weekend

  cheers

  Marton
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Paul
    To: marton
    Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff


    Hi Marton

    I agree the bodywork don't rust much, but suspension and brake
components do corrode. Calipers are renoun for corrosion causing pads to
stick and brakes to squeal. The rear suspension pins corrode making them
near impossible to remove. The ABS sensors are impossible to remove on UK
cars, but you can buy used ABS sensors from California easily. The front tow
hook plug corrodes and never comes out again. The sill at the bottom of the
windscreen rusts. The nylon pad is often lost from the petrol flap
mechanism, causing the flap to corrode and the paintwork to suffer. The fuel
lines are exposed in the rear wheel well and then suffer too. The height
adjusters corrode causing them to seize.

    I'm sure there's much more instore that I haven't discovered yet.

    One of the reasons I've never been in too much of a hurry to fix oil
leaks on the underside of the engine is because of the extra protection it
affords the underside of the car.

    Paul


    On 12/13/05, marton <marton at befree.ch> wrote:
      I have never seen a rusty 928, I am sure they exist but I never saw
one.  They have lots of alloy and galvanised steel parts which helps.

      Marton


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From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 11:55:49 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:55:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
References: <439fc79e.277060e3.192e.1ba2@mx.gmail.com>
	<005f01c6008f$bcc94c30$79667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <003d01c600a5$57881de0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

On my 95 GTS the standard headlights were fantastic....
Simon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up


> First thing to check is the voltage at the bulbs, as bad connections etc 
> will reduce the brightness significantly.
>
> Personally, I think the 928 headlamps are great, much better than many 
> modern (non circular) lights.
>
> Smiffy (half blind)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Williams" <willsco at gmail.com>
> To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:19 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
>
>
>> Following recent brief headlamp discussions...
>>
>> On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?
>>
>> If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and 
>> won't
>> burn out the electrics?
>>
>> If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?
>>
>> If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they
>> commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?
>>
>> Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently 
>> you
>> can't drive very fast as you are worried that they might blow out!
>>
>> Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the 
>> M4
>> from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights 
>> were
>> pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in
>> this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks 
>> at
>> Swindon fairly challenging at speed
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Mike
>> '79 Auto
>>
>>
>> <http://www.9two8.com>
>>
>>
>
>
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From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Wed Dec 14 11:57:50 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:57:50 -0000
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
References: <003e01c60033$990e2150$27028956@D4T1S01J>
Message-ID: <005001c600a5$9c8ba880$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

For God's sake check it out properly straight away & have a fire extinguisher handy.  It was about this time last year I had my GTS disaster.
Good luck
Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Suddes 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:21 PM
  Subject: [928uk] (no subject)


  Hi everybody,
  Ive just tried to start my 928 and a bit of petrol has gathered in the bottom of the v underneath the injection sytem. It turns over but will not start. Does anybody have any suggestions?
  Many thanks
  Peter 83s


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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Wed Dec 14 12:21:22 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:21:22 EST
Subject: [928uk] Petrol in the v
Message-ID: <142.52cffa1e.30d16842@aol.com>

 
:Hi Peter

Does anybody have any  suggestions?


There used to be a problem on some cars with the rubber pipes to the  
injectors perishing. A major cause of combustion in Jags at one time (and i  don't 
mean the internal sort!) HTH Tim
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From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec 14 13:06:40 2005
From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:06:40 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
Message-ID: <20051214130640.BWQZ11396.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I'm not sure what the old ones with the hydraulic adjusters do when the adjuster has broken - I think it's possible that they settle at the lowest point. Mine are certainly aimed very low. Must find out how to adjust them manually.

Certainly better when you have two working bulbs as I discovered yesterday - was wondering why it was so dim on Monday night. The bulbs are certainly a joy to change - no cut hands and swearing like you get on some modern cars!

Nick
> 
> From: "Simon Watson" <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk>
> Date: 2005/12/14 Wed AM 11:55:49 GMT
> To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>,  "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
> 
> On my 95 GTS the standard headlights were fantastic....
> Simon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
> 
> 
> > First thing to check is the voltage at the bulbs, as bad connections etc 
> > will reduce the brightness significantly.
> >
> > Personally, I think the 928 headlamps are great, much better than many 
> > modern (non circular) lights.
> >
> > Smiffy (half blind)
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mike Williams" <willsco at gmail.com>
> > To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:19 PM
> > Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
> >
> >
> >> Following recent brief headlamp discussions...
> >>
> >> On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?
> >>
> >> If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and 
> >> won't
> >> burn out the electrics?
> >>
> >> If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?
> >>
> >> If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they
> >> commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?
> >>
> >> Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently 
> >> you
> >> can't drive very fast as you are worried that they might blow out!
> >>
> >> Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the 
> >> M4
> >> from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights 
> >> were
> >> pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in
> >> this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks 
> >> at
> >> Swindon fairly challenging at speed
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> '79 Auto
> >>
> >>
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From kcuf at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 14 14:17:29 2005
From: kcuf at btinternet.com (CAMPBELL SOUTER)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:17:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [928uk] s2 versus s4 and other stuff
Message-ID: <20051214141729.77189.qmail@web86109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

  Chris
   
  I have an '86 s2 manual which I am thinking of selling. It has a good amount of history especially recent, was bought from a list member and keen enthusiast and is just not being used enough. A little TLC required cosmetically but engine and electrics are spot on with everything doing what it should. I live in Hitchin so not too far away. Let me know if you want to see the car. I am not a totally committed seller as I love the car and use it regularly but I have to be realistic.
   
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From ANTONYMAXATAX at aol.com  Wed Dec 14 19:24:49 2005
From: ANTONYMAXATAX at aol.com (ANTONYMAXATAX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:24:49 EST
Subject: [928uk] fuel discount card
Message-ID: <1c1.368276d4.30d1cb81@aol.com>

Dear All, please have alook at the following site: _www.pipelinecard.org_ 
(http://www.pipelinecard.org) . Their aim is to  register as many people as 
possible in order to qualify for a discount at the  forecourt on a litre of fuel by 
a major fuel retailler.You can register for a  card which may go online early 
2006.As we all drive 928's every little  helps!  
                                                                   cheers 
Tony B.
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From marton at befree.ch  Wed Dec 14 22:15:15 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:15:15 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
In-Reply-To: <439fc79e.277060e3.192e.1ba2@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43735F9B00D4AEF6@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

 

About "Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights"

 

Did you try cleaning your glasses?  The ones sitting on your nose?

 

Marton

 

  _____  

Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Mike Williams
Gesendet: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:20 AM
An: '928uk'
Betreff: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up

 

Following recent brief headlamp discussions...

On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?

If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and won't
burn out the electrics? 

If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?

If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they
commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?

Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently you
can't drive very fast as you are worried that they might blow out!

Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the M4
from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights were
pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in
this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks at
Swindon fairly challenging at speed

regards

Mike
'79 Auto


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From marton at befree.ch  Wed Dec 14 22:17:54 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:17:54 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
In-Reply-To: <20051214084529.30273.qmail@web86803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43735E9D00D96F4A@mta-fs-be-01.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

You need to be careful about fitting higher wattage bulbs; you could damage
the electrics.

Better is to fit more modern bulbs with same wattage but more light output.

 

Marton

 

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Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Alexander Popov
Gesendet: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:45 AM
An: '928uk'
Betreff: Re: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up

 

I think all European spec Porsches came with H4 lights, but I stand to be
corrected

 

The solution I think is to fit more powerful bulbs. The PO of my GT was kind
enough to fit 80w/100w bulbs and the difference is amazing. The car has done
close to 16,000 miles with this headlights setup since it was raised from
the dead and I am happy to report that there has been no problems.

 

It is vital that your headlights are adjusted 100% spot on if you are about
to fit more powerful bulbs.

 

Alex

 

1984 928 S2 5spd

1990 928 GT

1989 VW Golf 2 GTI 16v

Mike Williams <willsco at gmail.com> wrote:

Following recent brief headlamp discussions...

On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?

If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and won't
burn out the electrics? 

If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?

If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they
commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?

Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently you
can't drive very fast a! s you are worried that they might blow out!

Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the M4
from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights were
pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in
this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks at
Swindon fairly challenging at speed

regards

Mike
'79 Auto


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From marton at befree.ch  Wed Dec 14 22:18:54 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:18:54 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up
In-Reply-To: <005f01c6008f$bcc94c30$79667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <43735E9D00D97116@mta-fs-be-01.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

Stay with your multi focal glasses.....

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Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Paul R Smith
Gesendet: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:21 AM
An: '928uk'
Betreff: Re: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up

First thing to check is the voltage at the bulbs, as bad connections etc
will reduce the 
brightness significantly.

Personally, I think the 928 headlamps are great, much better than many
modern (non 
circular) lights.

Smiffy (half blind)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Williams" <willsco at gmail.com>
To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: [928uk] Headlamps follow-up


> Following recent brief headlamp discussions...
>
> On my '79er are my headlamps sealed units?
>
> If so is there a modern day equivalent for them that is brighter and won't
> burn out the electrics?
>
> If so where can they be obtained from and for how much?
>
> If not - then what is the recommended replacement bulb type and are they
> commonly available - i.e. is it a Halfords job or a specialist?
>
> Basically mine is a bit like driving with two nightlights - consequently
you
> can't drive very fast as you are worried that they might blow out!
>
> Having said that I was following the grooves I think I have made in the M4
> from Heathrow recently on my way home last night and my day-car lights
were
> pretty crap as well - a combination of old bulbs and filthy headlights in
> this case though - but it did make the dark section towards the roadworks
at
> Swindon fairly challenging at speed
>
> regards
>
> Mike
> '79 Auto
>
>
> <http://www.9two8.com>
>
>


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From marton at befree.ch  Wed Dec 14 22:19:56 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:19:56 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIEGBDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
Message-ID: <43735F9B00D4B2BC@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

OK

 

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Von: Jon Holdsworth [mailto:jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz] 
Gesendet: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:42 PM
An: marton; Paul
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: RE: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff

 

Have a good look at the area where the rear edge joint of the front wing
joins to the horizontal part of the inner wing/ firewall - ie directly above
the fuse board just in front of the most dark recesses of theglove box.

 

Jon in NZ

Thats the only serious rust I've found yet on the SE - probably because it's
one of the only places where water can collect.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
marton
Sent: 14 December 2005 11:18
To: Paul
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff

Hi Paul,

 

agree with all that, but I changed my front pads in my 81s about 2 weeks ago
and there was no sign of corrosion although the 928 is my winter car - and
we get real winters in zurich...

 

I did not know about "The sill at the bottom of the windscreen rusts." must
have a good look at mine at the weekend

 

cheers

 

Marton

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Paul <mailto:ukkid35 at gmail.com>  

To: marton <mailto:marton at befree.ch>  

Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:48 PM

Subject: Re: [928uk] S2 versus S4 and other stuff

 

Hi Marton

 

I agree the bodywork don't rust much, but suspension and brake components do
corrode. Calipers are renoun for corrosion causing pads to stick and brakes
to squeal. The rear suspension pins corrode making them near impossible to
remove. The ABS sensors are impossible to remove on UK cars, but you can buy
used ABS sensors from California easily. The front tow hook plug corrodes
and never comes out again. The sill at the bottom of the windscreen rusts.
The nylon pad is often lost from the petrol flap mechanism, causing the flap
to corrode and the paintwork to suffer. The fuel lines are exposed in the
rear wheel well and then suffer too. The height adjusters corrode causing
them to seize. 

 

I'm sure there's much more instore that I haven't discovered yet.

 

One of the reasons I've never been in too much of a hurry to fix oil leaks
on the underside of the engine is because of the extra protection it affords
the underside of the car.

 

Paul

 

On 12/13/05, marton <marton at befree.ch> wrote: 

I have never seen a rusty 928, I am sure they exist but I never saw one.
They have lots of alloy and galvanised steel parts which helps.

 

Marton


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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Thu Dec 15 13:05:18 2005
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:05:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure
Message-ID: <007701c60178$332c91a0$1530a8c0@george>

Hi 928 owners,



When my '91 GT was towed to my local OPC, Chapelgate Motors in Bournemouth with engine failure they wrongly diagnosed the EZK ECU to be at fault, when it was the LH ECU, and I was faced with the prospect of a bill for ?4000, to replace both, when John Speake at JDSPorsche.com repaired it for ?350. Has anybody else had a similar problem?



Best wishes,
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From angusf at mac.com  Thu Dec 15 13:18:38 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:18:38 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928.org.uk and 928uk xmas update..
Message-ID: <43A16D2E.6050901@mac.com>

Its almost a year since I introduced the new design to 928.org.uk. It 
still has some issues but broadly its been very successful driving 
traffic to the site and keeping people interested. We've had our most 
successful year for car adverts on the site - something I did once as an 
experiment which has really taken off. We're also generating cash to pay 
for the site from Google Adwords which is working and hopefully relevant 
and not too distracting.

At Christmas Im hoping to have some time to make some modifications and 
so Im going to put some polls up on the site to seek your opinions.

So please email me directly if theres a feature you would like to see on 
the website and and I will create a poll of the best requests and decide 
based on the polls.

Angus


From phil at stairbridge.org.uk  Thu Dec 15 13:55:14 2005
From: phil at stairbridge.org.uk (Phil)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:55:14 +0000
Subject: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure
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From hans at hans.me.uk  Thu Dec 15 15:13:07 2005
From: hans at hans.me.uk (Hans)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:13:07 -0000
Subject: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure
In-Reply-To: <43A175C2.2020108@stairbridge.org.uk>
Message-ID: <002001c6018a$11148570$0201a8c0@pbatyj3kh39eh8>

Talking of the flex plate issue and OPC?s, my car is currently on it?s
third ?off the pallet? engine from Porsche in Germany, because it had
had two thrust bearing failures, prior to my ownership.  It had a
complete, brand new one at 47k miles ( invoice total ?20k ) and another
at 60k miles ( invoice total ?8.5k, under warranty and keeping the
previous heads ). The flexplate tension was THEN released. ( Horse,
bolt, stable ?? )
 
I now have an engine with less than 20k miles on it AND a properly and
regularly adjusted flexplate. All because OPC?s don?t recognize the
thrust bearing issue as a problem. 
Still, their ignorance is my fortune ? the engine will certainly outlast
my ownership.
I have had the car for 2 years now ( adjustment done on post purchase
inspection at Dr.A and another check this time last year ) and I have
recently had a third flex plate adjustment done by Dr.A during the
cars?s annual service ? it had moved 3mm this last time ? don?t leave it
more than a year ? I think I am right in saying that 4mm is the point
that things can start going wrong ? I stand corrected by anyone with
more tekkie knowledge than me, mind.
 
Hans
 
'91 S4 Auto Guards Red
'95 M3
 
www.hans.me.uk
 
www.driving4progress.co.uk
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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Thu Dec 15 15:31:25 2005
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David P928)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:31:25 -0000
Subject: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure
References: <007701c60178$332c91a0$1530a8c0@george>
	<43A175C2.2020108@stairbridge.org.uk>
Message-ID: <006301c6018c$9c8eeee0$0b014413@domainnotset.invalid>

I once enquired how the OPC mechanics managed to change the transmission oil filter without removing the gearbox sump. 

Nice coffee though...

David '90 S4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil 
  To: george.parker183 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure


  Hi George

  I was in my local OPC (Mid Sussex) a month ago and noticed a 928 sitting in the workshop. The workshop manager told me they'd had it in for 3 months; it had a dead ECU (didn't say which) and the replacement cost was ?3k. It was sitting there waiting for the customer to decide what to do. I told the workshop guy that John Speake offered a repair service and suggested they notify the owner. Don't know what happened but the car isn't there any more.

  One of the reasons my 928 never goes near the OPC is they seem to have no knowledge of the wealth of help out here. They didn't even know about flex-plate check or thrust bearing failure :-(

  Phil
  '93 GTS

  george.parker183 wrote: 
    Hi 928 owners,



    When my '91 GT was towed to my local OPC, Chapelgate Motors in Bournemouth with engine failure they wrongly diagnosed the EZK ECU to be at fault, when it was the LH ECU, and I was faced with the prospect of a bill for ?4000, to replace both, when John Speake at JDSPorsche.com repaired it for ?350. Has anybody else had a similar problem?



    Best wishes,
    George Parker, Southampton.
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:12:23 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:12:23 +0000
Subject: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure
In-Reply-To: <007701c60178$332c91a0$1530a8c0@george>
References: <007701c60178$332c91a0$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <98697a430512150812wc870e69u97a02807d9f19ed0@mail.gmail.com>

My car was recovered from France following LH failure, obviously the French
"Porsche Specialist" failed to diagnose the problem. However the UK
independent did work out what was wrong, somewhat complicated by the
intermittent failure mode. I was unaware of JDS at the time so I sourced a
used LH from Lodge Sports. This means it will eventually fail, so I'll still
end up using John's services to rebuild mine one day.

Cheers

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On 12/15/05, george.parker183 <george.parker183 at btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi 928 owners,
>
>
>
> When my '91 GT was towed to my local OPC, Chapelgate Motors in Bournemouth
> with engine failure they wrongly diagnosed the EZK ECU to be at fault, when
> it was the LH ECU, and I was faced with the prospect of a bill for ?4000, to
> replace both, when John Speake at JDSPorsche.com repaired it for ?350. Has
> anybody else had a similar problem?
>
>
> Best wishes,
> George Parker, Southampton.
>
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From fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 15 16:18:59 2005
From: fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr (fred.flintstone)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:18:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <004e01c5fd8a$b242bec0$27406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <000001c60193$420211d0$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>

Had some great email help from John at JDS but seems that it's the Fuel
Pump. The problem is I've lost it ---the pump ;-) that is.

I have a 91 S4 and understood that the pump is behind a cover under the fuel
tank ... Only ... There is no cover to remove - just the Alum heat deflector
(for exhaust) and the fuel tank straps. 

Any S4 Detectives our there ?? 
I understand that on earlier models the fuel pump/filter are inside the rear
RHS wheel arch but on the S4 they are where ??

Thanks,

Daniel
Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:24:54 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:24:54 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <000001c60193$420211d0$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>
References: <004e01c5fd8a$b242bec0$27406051@jds6c903b071c4>
	<000001c60193$420211d0$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>
Message-ID: <98697a430512150824l3775a144j8eb8f077a757cd05@mail.gmail.com>

Check again, you will find it (unless it's been stolen of course)

http://members.rennlist.com/v1uhoh/fuel.htm

Cheers

Paul


On 12/15/05, fred.flintstone <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Had some great email help from John at JDS but seems that it's the Fuel
> Pump. The problem is I've lost it ---the pump ;-) that is.
>
> I have a 91 S4 and understood that the pump is behind a cover under the
> fuel
> tank ... Only ... There is no cover to remove - just the Alum heat
> deflector
> (for exhaust) and the fuel tank straps.
>
> Any S4 Detectives our there ??
> I understand that on earlier models the fuel pump/filter are inside the
> rear
> RHS wheel arch but on the S4 they are where ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ppconway at mac.com  Thu Dec 15 17:00:36 2005
From: ppconway at mac.com (Susan Cramp)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:00:36 +0000
Subject: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure
In-Reply-To: <002001c6018a$11148570$0201a8c0@pbatyj3kh39eh8>
References: <002001c6018a$11148570$0201a8c0@pbatyj3kh39eh8>
Message-ID: <10181842.1134666036907.JavaMail.ppconway@mac.com>

I had similar puzzled look from 1st dealership wen I asked for it to be checked and released - they claimed they did, but when I took it in a few weeks ago to zsentrum in Nottighma, full of ex OPC mechanics, they knew exacty what to do and released a lifetime of tension - they reckon it had never been done and I have the photos to prove it - so warped they thought it was worth a snapshot!

At least I now have someone local who knows what to do and I trust them to do it!

I cannot underestand why OPCs are so flippant about it!

 
On Thursday, December 15, 2005, at 03:33PM, Hans <hans at hans.me.uk> wrote:

>
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Dec 15 17:16:25 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:16:25 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
References: <000001c60193$420211d0$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>
Message-ID: <018901c6019b$48fbad90$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>

Hello Daniel
The fuel pump is behind a curved cover at the back o f the ful tank. Look 
under the back of the car RHS. It slots in at the bottom and is held with 2 
bolts at the top.

The fuel pump is hiding in there !

John
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump


> Had some great email help from John at JDS but seems that it's the Fuel
> Pump. The problem is I've lost it ---the pump ;-) that is.
>
> I have a 91 S4 and understood that the pump is behind a cover under the 
> fuel
> tank ... Only ... There is no cover to remove - just the Alum heat 
> deflector
> (for exhaust) and the fuel tank straps.
>
> Any S4 Detectives our there ??
> I understand that on earlier models the fuel pump/filter are inside the 
> rear
> RHS wheel arch but on the S4 they are where ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
>
>
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>
> 




From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Thu Dec 15 17:30:20 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:30:20 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <018901c6019b$48fbad90$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDAEHCDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

To add to what JDS said

The nuts (captive bolts) 10mm spanner are up between the rear bumper and
tank. Use cable ties to hold the cover back on if the captive bolts break
off when you undo the nuts.

Jon in nZ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of JDSPorsche
> Sent: 16 December 2005 06:16
> To: fred.flintstone; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
>
>
> Hello Daniel
> The fuel pump is behind a curved cover at the back o f the ful tank. Look
> under the back of the car RHS. It slots in at the bottom and is
> held with 2
> bolts at the top.
>
> The fuel pump is hiding in there !
>
> John
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
>
>
> > Had some great email help from John at JDS but seems that it's the Fuel
> > Pump. The problem is I've lost it ---the pump ;-) that is.
> >
> > I have a 91 S4 and understood that the pump is behind a cover under the
> > fuel
> > tank ... Only ... There is no cover to remove - just the Alum heat
> > deflector
> > (for exhaust) and the fuel tank straps.
> >
> > Any S4 Detectives our there ??
> > I understand that on earlier models the fuel pump/filter are inside the
> > rear
> > RHS wheel arch but on the S4 they are where ??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Daniel
> > Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
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> > 928.org.uk
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From fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 15 18:00:01 2005
From: fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr (fred.flintstone)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:00:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <018901c6019b$48fbad90$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <001701c601a1$5f0ae5f0$0a01a8c0@VaioNote>

THANKS John, John (of NZ) and Paul .... I'm one happy bunny :-)

Rgds
Daniel 
Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH




From Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com  Thu Dec 15 17:55:11 2005
From: Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com (Bone, Chris (IT13))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:55:11 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump
Message-ID: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406418695@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>

When you do manage to find the fuel pump hatch make sure to take a good
look at the state of the fuel hose coming from the tank.

My 90GT had a very bad flat spot (being kind with that statement
really). Replaced the MAF with a refurbished one from JDS and that made
a big difference to overall performance, but the flat spot was still
there and always at the worst time, I.e when you put your foot down hard
for major go mode!

I was at my mechanic's talking things over and noticed a small leak
around the fuel pump hatch. Removed the cover to find that the fuel line
was completely perished and collapsing internally whenever a big suck of
fuel was needed and hence starving the engine, this was right around
where it connected to the tank itself and it is not so easy to access as
the hatch is not exactly huge. In addition all the gunk from the
perished line had been caught in the filter and it came out looking like
tar. New pipe and filter and a 150 mile test run and my smile is a foot
wide.

On the hatch issue. I have a new fuel tank cradle on order from Dr A as
mine is not looking very healthy rust wise. In talking to him it appears
that some after market cradles omitted the hatch, so it may be possible
that this is the situation for you as someone may have changed the
cradle in the past. This means that you would have to drop the entire
cradle to gain access to the pump and filter. I am assured by Dr A that
his new ones have a hatch and as they are stainless there is lifetime of
no worries!

Cheers, Chris, 90GT going like a train!


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of JDSPorsche
Sent: 15 December 2005 17:16
To: fred.flintstone; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump

Hello Daniel
The fuel pump is behind a curved cover at the back o f the ful tank.
Look 
under the back of the car RHS. It slots in at the bottom and is held
with 2 
bolts at the top.

The fuel pump is hiding in there !

John
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred.flintstone" <fred.flintstone at wanadoo.fr>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Starting Problem - lost my Fuel Pump


> Had some great email help from John at JDS but seems that it's the
Fuel
> Pump. The problem is I've lost it ---the pump ;-) that is.
>
> I have a 91 S4 and understood that the pump is behind a cover under
the 
> fuel
> tank ... Only ... There is no cover to remove - just the Alum heat 
> deflector
> (for exhaust) and the fuel tank straps.
>
> Any S4 Detectives our there ??
> I understand that on earlier models the fuel pump/filter are inside
the 
> rear
> RHS wheel arch but on the S4 they are where ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
> Ex-pat in S France with GP-Weiss S4 reg H1S PSH
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
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From Dk928 at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 21:09:32 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:09:32 EST
Subject: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
Message-ID: <2b6.279a58f.30d3358c@aol.com>

Hi All
 
Not much happening in mail these days??
 
Anyone recommend a good synthetic oil, best tyres, preferred alloys/offset  
or want to rent the wife out for a week or so ?
 
Dave
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From marton at befree.ch  Thu Dec 15 22:05:04 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:05:04 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <2b6.279a58f.30d3358c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43735F9B00DBB410@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

> want to rent the wife out for a week or so ?

 

Only one?

 

Marton

How about recommending good insurance

 

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Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Dk928 at aol.com
Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:10 PM
An: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas

 

Hi All

 

Not much happening in mail these days??

 

Anyone recommend a good synthetic oil, best tyres, preferred alloys/offset
or want to rent the wife out for a week or so ?

 

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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 22:08:18 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:08:18 EST
Subject: [928uk] OPC's and Engine Failure
Message-ID: <195.4de6d94f.30d34352@aol.com>

Hi Hans , mine moved 1mm last week, torqued to 66ftlbs and 15k miles since  
check. Original engine, no more sense out of me 2nite  Tim'92gts
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From Dk928 at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 22:28:48 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:28:48 EST
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
Message-ID: <259.3a9ecbf.30d34820@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch  
writes:

How about  recommending good  insurance


Yep... always a good one ! 
Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   (  Unless you know 
one better of course)
 
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From marton at befree.ch  Thu Dec 15 22:32:34 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:32:34 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <259.3a9ecbf.30d34820@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43735F9B00DBCF2A@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp, unlimited
mileage, any driver & full cover in all European countries ? also includes
same cover for the Mustang

 

Marton

 

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Von: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com] 
Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas

 

In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch
writes:

How about recommending good insurance

Yep... always a good one ! 

Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless you know
one better of course)

 

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From jerrydw at club.worldonline.be  Thu Dec 15 22:38:44 2005
From: jerrydw at club.worldonline.be (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:38:44 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
References: <43735F9B00DBCF2A@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added
	bypostmaster@sunrise.ch)
Message-ID: <004001c601c8$4ec07300$4a76c054@Drivejay>

Hi guys,

i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.
Marton do you own a Mustang?

Cheers,
Jerry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: marton 
  To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM
  Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


  Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp, unlimited mileage, any driver & full cover in all European countries - also includes same cover for the Mustang

   

  Marton

   


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  Von: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com] 
  Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
  An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas

   

  In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch writes:

    How about recommending good insurance

  Yep... always a good one ! 

  Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless you know one better of course)

   

  Dave



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From ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Dec 15 23:04:12 2005
From: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk (Ian & Lynn)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:04:12 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
References: <2b6.279a58f.30d3358c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005701c601cb$dd6af140$0502a8c0@Orac>

Dave

You forgot to mention X pipes and of course the other chesnut..... should 928's only be driven on lovely sunny days!

Best Regards

Ian

Black S4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dk928 at aol.com 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:09 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


  Hi All

  Not much happening in mail these days??

  Anyone recommend a good synthetic oil, best tyres, preferred alloys/offset or want to rent the wife out for a week or so ?

  Dave


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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Dec 16 08:35:46 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:35:46 +1300
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <004001c601c8$4ec07300$4a76c054@Drivejay>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEHKDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Now I'll make you all sick

?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery  fully comp and
the House contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.

jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive and you can't
sue somebody for personal injury following an accident. This is covered by
government and costs 1% of salary.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Jerry De Weerdt
  Sent: 16 December 2005 11:39
  To: marton; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
  Importance: High


  Hi guys,

  i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.
  Marton do you own a Mustang?

  Cheers,
  Jerry
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: marton
    To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM
    Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


    Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp, unlimited
mileage, any driver & full cover in all European countries ? also includes
same cover for the Mustang



    Marton




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    Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
    An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas



    In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch
writes:

      How about recommending good insurance

    Yep... always a good one !

    Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless you
know one better of course)



    Dave



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From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Dec 16 08:57:18 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:57:18 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
References: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEHKDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
Message-ID: <00a201c6021e$b8704e00$035b48c3@JDW>

aaargh

OK Jon, you win! don't tell me you have good roads down there as well otherwise we'll all have to move to NZ ;-)

Cheers,
Jerry


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jon Holdsworth 
  To: Jerry De Weerdt ; marton ; Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 AM
  Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


  Now I'll make you all sick

  ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery  fully comp and the House contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.

  jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive and you can't sue somebody for personal injury following an accident. This is covered by government and costs 1% of salary.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jerry De Weerdt
    Sent: 16 December 2005 11:39
    To: marton; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
    Importance: High


    Hi guys,

    i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.
    Marton do you own a Mustang?

    Cheers,
    Jerry
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: marton 
      To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
      Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM
      Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


      Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp, unlimited mileage, any driver & full cover in all European countries - also includes same cover for the Mustang

       

      Marton

       


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      Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
      An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
      Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas

       

      In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch writes:

        How about recommending good insurance

      Yep... always a good one ! 

      Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless you know one better of course)

       

      Dave



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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Fri Dec 16 09:02:26 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:02:26 +1300
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
References: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEHKDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
Message-ID: <004701c6021f$708f2970$52667cca@computername>

You may laugh at "any driver" for the house, but today I saw my first house on the road.
Not a huge house, but bloody big for the road.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>
To: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>; "marton" <marton at befree.ch>; 
<Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


> Now I'll make you all sick
>
> ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery  fully comp and
> the House contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.
>
> jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive and you can't
> sue somebody for personal injury following an accident. This is covered by
> government and costs 1% of salary.



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Fri Dec 16 09:12:11 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:12:11 +1300
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
References: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEHKDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
	<00a201c6021e$b8704e00$035b48c3@JDW>
Message-ID: <006101c60220$cd426f50$52667cca@computername>

The roads are great, you just have to choose very carefully which road you go fast on.
It's the police with their laser guns that are the problem.

Track days at ?65 make up for it all.

Smiffy (also in NZ)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
To: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>; "marton" <marton at befree.ch>; 
<Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


aaargh

OK Jon, you win! don't tell me you have good roads down there as well otherwise we'll all 
have to move to NZ ;-)

Cheers,
Jerry


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jon Holdsworth
  To: Jerry De Weerdt ; marton ; Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 AM
  Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


  Now I'll make you all sick

  ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery  fully comp and the House 
contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.

  jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive and you can't sue somebody 
for personal injury following an accident. This is covered by government and costs 1% of 
salary.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jerry De 
Weerdt
    Sent: 16 December 2005 11:39
    To: marton; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
    Importance: High


    Hi guys,

    i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.
    Marton do you own a Mustang?

    Cheers,
    Jerry
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: marton
      To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
      Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM
      Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


      Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp, unlimited mileage, any 
driver & full cover in all European countries - also includes same cover for the Mustang



      Marton




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      Von: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com]
      Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
      An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
      Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas



      In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch writes:

        How about recommending good insurance

      Yep... always a good one !

      Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless you know one 
better of course)



      Dave



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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Dec 16 09:23:06 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:23:06 +1300
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <004701c6021f$708f2970$52667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDAEHMDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

My bad

it's friday night and I just spent an hour putting the undertrays back on
the GT - one could put our house on the back of a few large lorries.

Jon on Waiheke



> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Paul R Smith
> Sent: 16 December 2005 22:02
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> You may laugh at "any driver" for the house, but today I saw my
> first house on the road.
> Not a huge house, but bloody big for the road.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>
> To: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>; "marton"
> <marton at befree.ch>;
> <Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 PM
> Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> > Now I'll make you all sick
> >
> > ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery
> fully comp and
> > the House contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.
> >
> > jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive
> and you can't
> > sue somebody for personal injury following an accident. This is
> covered by
> > government and costs 1% of salary.
>
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From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Dec 16 09:25:11 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:25:11 +1300
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <006101c60220$cd426f50$52667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIEHMDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Agreed

it doesn't take much working out where the police are likely to be - not
much point setting up a speed trap on a road with 4 cars per hour.

Jon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Paul R Smith
> Sent: 16 December 2005 22:12
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> The roads are great, you just have to choose very carefully which
> road you go fast on.
> It's the police with their laser guns that are the problem.
>
> Track days at ?65 make up for it all.
>
> Smiffy (also in NZ)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
> To: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>; "marton"
> <marton at befree.ch>;
> <Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> aaargh
>
> OK Jon, you win! don't tell me you have good roads down there as
> well otherwise we'll all
> have to move to NZ ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jon Holdsworth
>   To: Jerry De Weerdt ; marton ; Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 AM
>   Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
>   Now I'll make you all sick
>
>   ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery
> fully comp and the House
> contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.
>
>   jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive
> and you can't sue somebody
> for personal injury following an accident. This is covered by
> government and costs 1% of
> salary.
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
> [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jerry De
> Weerdt
>     Sent: 16 December 2005 11:39
>     To: marton; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>     Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>     Importance: High
>
>
>     Hi guys,
>
>     i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.
>     Marton do you own a Mustang?
>
>     Cheers,
>     Jerry
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: marton
>       To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>       Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM
>       Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
>       Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully
> comp, unlimited mileage, any
> driver & full cover in all European countries - also includes
> same cover for the Mustang
>
>
>
>       Marton
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>       Von: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com]
>       Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
>       An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>       Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
>
>       In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time,
> marton at befree.ch writes:
>
>         How about recommending good insurance
>
>       Yep... always a good one !
>
>       Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   (
> Unless you know one
> better of course)
>
>
>
>       Dave
>
>
>
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From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Dec 16 09:32:18 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:32:18 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
References: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEHKDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz><00a201c6021e$b8704e00$035b48c3@JDW>
	<006101c60220$cd426f50$52667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <00c401c60223$9be9a790$035b48c3@JDW>

Hi Smiffy,

sounds almost too good to be true. Police is the problem everywhere i guess, 
fortunately it's only 1,5 hours to the German border from where i live.

Cheers,
Jerry



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


> The roads are great, you just have to choose very carefully which road you 
> go fast on.
> It's the police with their laser guns that are the problem.
>
> Track days at ?65 make up for it all.
>
> Smiffy (also in NZ)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
> To: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>; "marton" 
> <marton at befree.ch>; <Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> aaargh
>
> OK Jon, you win! don't tell me you have good roads down there as well 
> otherwise we'll all have to move to NZ ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Jon Holdsworth
>  To: Jerry De Weerdt ; marton ; Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 AM
>  Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
>  Now I'll make you all sick
>
>  ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery  fully comp and 
> the House contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.
>
>  jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive and you 
> can't sue somebody for personal injury following an accident. This is 
> covered by government and costs 1% of salary.
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On 
> Behalf Of Jerry De Weerdt
>    Sent: 16 December 2005 11:39
>    To: marton; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>    Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>    Importance: High
>
>
>    Hi guys,
>
>    i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.
>    Marton do you own a Mustang?
>
>    Cheers,
>    Jerry
>      ----- Original Message ----- 
>      From: marton
>      To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>      Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM
>      Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
>      Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp, 
> unlimited mileage, any driver & full cover in all European countries - 
> also includes same cover for the Mustang
>
>
>
>      Marton
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      Von: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com]
>      Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
>      An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>      Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
>
>      In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, 
> marton at befree.ch writes:
>
>        How about recommending good insurance
>
>      Yep... always a good one !
>
>      Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless 
> you know one better of course)
>
>
>
>      Dave
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From richard.dennys at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 10:31:03 2005
From: richard.dennys at gmail.com (Richard Dennys)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:31:03 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Agh, car didn't start this morning.
Message-ID: <c5a786230512160231o35bcef3ep24209019391dff2e@mail.gmail.com>

Got in. Turned key. Sounded normal but didnt fire after 3/4 seconds. Turned
key again, 1 second of normal turnover then whole tone changed, went much
slower and just kept turning and groaning. Kept trying same for about 3
minutes, key in/out, immobiliser on/off, gave up, got out of car, into 6
month old Honda, came to work, very depressed.

I have homestart (or insurance equivalent) but any ideas what this might be
before I call them and they lug me to the nearest cut'n'shut-u-like?

Help!? I am very non-tecchie - replacing fuses and filters about as far as I
can get.

Thanks in advance.

Richard D

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From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Fri Dec 16 10:49:31 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:49:31 +1300
Subject: [928uk] Agh, car didn't start this morning.
References: <c5a786230512160231o35bcef3ep24209019391dff2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c6022e$66e431e0$52667cca@computername>

First thing to do is disconnect the battery, top it up with distilled water, then recharge 
it, for at least 24 hours. Then try again, and let us know.
Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Dennys" <richard.dennys at gmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: [928uk] Agh, car didn't start this morning.


Got in. Turned key. Sounded normal but didnt fire after 3/4 seconds. Turned
key again, 1 second of normal turnover then whole tone changed, went much
slower and just kept turning and groaning. Kept trying same for about 3
minutes, key in/out, immobiliser on/off, gave up, got out of car, into 6
month old Honda, came to work, very depressed.

I have homestart (or insurance equivalent) but any ideas what this might be
before I call them and they lug me to the nearest cut'n'shut-u-like?

Help!? I am very non-tecchie - replacing fuses and filters about as far as I
can get.

Thanks in advance.

Richard D

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From patrickc at hothouse.com.au  Fri Dec 16 11:43:18 2005
From: patrickc at hothouse.com.au (Patrick Cusack)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:43:18 +1100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
Message-ID: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3E01BC1C0C@pigeon.hhi.net.au>

They put houses on lorries over here too.
 
Really nice old weatherboard numbers with big verandas and plenty of Victorian detail sell for ~$AU 5-10K and a crew with all the gear saw it down the middle and truck it to the new site.
 
These house are usually built on piers for floods/ventilation. The new site means re-plumbing the wet bits/electrics and patching the roof/walls/floor at the join. All the roofing is iron. The result is a classic 'been there forever' country spread with contemporary plumbing/electrics.
 
Either that or a tragic white trash bungalow with wildlife gaps. I think 'Chav chic' is the expression for UK listers? These have an S3 auto with an S4 spoiler and a set of cup 2 rims in the driveway. We have those down here too. It's a global phenomenon ;-)
 
Pat '89GT Sydney    

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of Jon Holdsworth
Sent: Fri 16/12/2005 20:23
To: Paul R Smith; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas



My bad

it's friday night and I just spent an hour putting the undertrays back on
the GT - one could put our house on the back of a few large lorries.

Jon on Waiheke



> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Paul R Smith
> Sent: 16 December 2005 22:02
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> You may laugh at "any driver" for the house, but today I saw my
> first house on the road.
> Not a huge house, but bloody big for the road.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>
> To: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerrydw at club.worldonline.be>; "marton"
> <marton at befree.ch>;
> <Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 PM
> Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> > Now I'll make you all sick
> >
> > ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery
> fully comp and
> > the House contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.
> >
> > jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive
> and you can't
> > sue somebody for personal injury following an accident. This is
> covered by
> > government and costs 1% of salary.
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From Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com  Fri Dec 16 18:11:52 2005
From: Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com (Bone, Chris (IT13))
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:11:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor
Message-ID: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406456937@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>

Hi everyone,

 

I think this is a very common problem. The drivers side door on my shark
is not holding open, which is annoying me as being 6.4 it keeps grabbing
my legs and those doors are heavy.

 

I was planning on ripping into the door this weekend to see if it is
repairable, but this seems a daunting task as on examination nothing
seems so simple. So first I would appreciate some advice on best
practise for removing all the door panels so I can get at the guts
inside.

 

Secondly I was surfing ebay and came across this door arrestor solution
from somebody in Canada. It sounds OK, but there is not much detail so
was wondering if anyone had any experience with this solution or any
thoughts on it.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=802
2877139&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

 

Cheers to all, Chris 90 GT

 

 

 

 

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From go928 at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 16 18:18:56 2005
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham 928)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:18:56 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Starting Problem
Message-ID: <00b601c6026d$38846790$0100a8c0@Desktop>

Hopefully only minor. . . . . 
 
Turn the key from cold and she turns over OK but doesn't quite fire.  Just a
touch of throttle is required for her to start and then she immediately runs
OK.  Has always started first time in the past and starts fine when warm.
 
Any suggestions please.
 
Graham Orr (91 S4)
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From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Fri Dec 16 18:32:57 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:32:57 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor
References: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406456937@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <002401c6026f$239635f0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

You can buy brand new ones from OPCs for about ?20 & they are quite easy to fit (about an hour).  
All the best
Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bone, Chris (IT13) 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:11 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor


  Hi everyone,

   

  I think this is a very common problem. The drivers side door on my shark is not holding open, which is annoying me as being 6.4 it keeps grabbing my legs and those doors are heavy.

   

  I was planning on ripping into the door this weekend to see if it is repairable, but this seems a daunting task as on examination nothing seems so simple. So first I would appreciate some advice on best practise for removing all the door panels so I can get at the guts inside.

   

  Secondly I was surfing ebay and came across this door arrestor solution from somebody in Canada. It sounds OK, but there is not much detail so was wondering if anyone had any experience with this solution or any thoughts on it.

   

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8022877139&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

   

  Cheers to all, Chris 90 GT

   

   

   

   



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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 18:46:45 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:46:45 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor
In-Reply-To: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406456937@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>
References: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406456937@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <98697a430512161046y5598147btc6afcb32cc8df355@mail.gmail.com>

The shim from JagEng is a doddle to fit and works very well. But if you're
going to take the door apart anyway then you might as well fit the original
part.

Well worth doing whichever solution you chose.

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On 12/16/05, Bone, Chris (IT13) <Chris.Bone at honeywell.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> I think this is a very common problem. The drivers side door on my shark
> is not holding open, which is annoying me as being 6.4 it keeps grabbing
> my legs and those doors are heavy.
>
>
>
> I was planning on ripping into the door this weekend to see if it is
> repairable, but this seems a daunting task as on examination nothing seems
> so simple. So first I would appreciate some advice on best practise for
> removing all the door panels so I can get at the guts inside.
>
>
>
> Secondly I was surfing ebay and came across this door arrestor solution
> from somebody in Canada. It sounds OK, but there is not much detail so was
> wondering if anyone had any experience with this solution or any thoughts on
> it.
>
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8022877139&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
>
>
>
> Cheers to all, Chris 90 GT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Fri Dec 16 21:23:22 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:23:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor
References: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406456937@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <01fc01c60286$f32a59b0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>

Hi Chris
I think that is the item made by jager...?

http://www.jageng.com/atmyservice.htm#928doorarrestor

Regards

John
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bone, Chris (IT13) 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:11 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor


  Hi everyone,

   

  I think this is a very common problem. The drivers side door on my shark is not holding open, which is annoying me as being 6.4 it keeps grabbing my legs and those doors are heavy.

   

  I was planning on ripping into the door this weekend to see if it is repairable, but this seems a daunting task as on examination nothing seems so simple. So first I would appreciate some advice on best practise for removing all the door panels so I can get at the guts inside.

   

  Secondly I was surfing ebay and came across this door arrestor solution from somebody in Canada. It sounds OK, but there is not much detail so was wondering if anyone had any experience with this solution or any thoughts on it.

   

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8022877139&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

   

  Cheers to all, Chris 90 GT

   

   

   

   



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From pablo at adreso.com  Fri Dec 16 22:13:37 2005
From: pablo at adreso.com (pablo at adreso.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:13:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] funny noise in 1st gear
In-Reply-To: <01fc01c60286$f32a59b0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
References: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406456937@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>
	<01fc01c60286$f32a59b0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <49465.83.55.141.14.1134771217.squirrel@www.adreso.com>

Hi all, I was driving all day around last few days enjoying everyminute of
it but today, after a mountain trip of a couple of hours, I noticed a
funny sound after a pause, having started the started the car and running
in 1st gear. It's a left hand drive GT manual and the sound happens only
in 1st gear and seems to be coming from the front right wheel area. Any
clues (clutch?)

Cheers, Pablo
'90 GT manual in the canaries


From marton at befree.ch  Fri Dec 16 23:23:55 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:23:55 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
References: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEHKDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz><00a201c6021e$b8704e00$035b48c3@JDW><006101c60220$cd426f50$52667cca@computername>
	<00c401c60223$9be9a790$035b48c3@JDW>
Message-ID: <003401c60297$c9d478a0$6401a8c0@simone>

10 minutes for me  ...........


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas


> Hi Smiffy,
>
> sounds almost too good to be true. Police is the problem everywhere i
guess,
> fortunately it's only 1,5 hours to the German border from where i live.
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
>
>
> > The roads are great, you just have to choose very carefully which road
you
> > go fast on.
> > It's the police with their laser guns that are the problem.
> >
> > Track days at ?65 make up for it all.
> >
> > Smiffy (also in NZ)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
> > To: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>; "marton"
> > <marton at befree.ch>; <Dk928 at aol.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
> >
> >
> > aaargh
> >
> > OK Jon, you win! don't tell me you have good roads down there as well
> > otherwise we'll all have to move to NZ ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: Jon Holdsworth
> >  To: Jerry De Weerdt ; marton ; Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:35 AM
> >  Subject: RE: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
> >
> >
> >  Now I'll make you all sick
> >
> >  ?60/per month to insure the SE,GT and Landrover Discovery  fully comp
and
> > the House contents any driver (not the house) no mileage limits.
> >
> >  jon in NZ where insurance is optional hence it is competitive and you
> > can't sue somebody for personal injury following an accident. This is
> > covered by government and costs 1% of salary.
> >    -----Original Message-----
> >    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> > Behalf Of Jerry De Weerdt
> >    Sent: 16 December 2005 11:39
> >    To: marton; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >    Subject: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
> >    Importance: High
> >
> >
> >    Hi guys,
> >
> >    i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.
> >    Marton do you own a Mustang?
> >
> >    Cheers,
> >    Jerry
> >      ----- Original Message -----
> >      From: marton
> >      To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >      Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM
> >      Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
> >
> >
> >      Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp,
> > unlimited mileage, any driver & full cover in all European countries -
> > also includes same cover for the Mustang
> >
> >
> >
> >      Marton
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >      Von: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com]
> >      Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
> >      An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >      Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
> >
> >
> >
> >      In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time,
> > marton at befree.ch writes:
> >
> >        How about recommending good insurance
> >
> >      Yep... always a good one !
> >
> >      Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless
> > you know one better of course)
> >
> >
> >
> >      Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
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From ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Dec 17 00:49:35 2005
From: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk (Ian & Lynn)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:49:35 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor
References: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD26406456937@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <005301c602a3$c0be9c80$0502a8c0@Orac>

Chris,

I have 1 of these kits on mine - only minutes to fit! and they work really well.

Best Regards

Ian 

Black S4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bone, Chris (IT13) 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:11 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor


  Hi everyone,

   

  I think this is a very common problem. The drivers side door on my shark is not holding open, which is annoying me as being 6.4 it keeps grabbing my legs and those doors are heavy.

   

  I was planning on ripping into the door this weekend to see if it is repairable, but this seems a daunting task as on examination nothing seems so simple. So first I would appreciate some advice on best practise for removing all the door panels so I can get at the guts inside.

   

  Secondly I was surfing ebay and came across this door arrestor solution from somebody in Canada. It sounds OK, but there is not much detail so was wondering if anyone had any experience with this solution or any thoughts on it.

   

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8022877139&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

   

  Cheers to all, Chris 90 GT

   

   

   

   



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From MARKBIRRI at aol.com  Sat Dec 17 02:20:31 2005
From: MARKBIRRI at aol.com (MARKBIRRI at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:20:31 EST
Subject: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
Message-ID: <1f7.1887db4d.30d4cfef@aol.com>

How much are you prepared to pay for the wife for seven  days?
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Sat Dec 17 03:27:10 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 03:27:10 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <1f7.1887db4d.30d4cfef@aol.com>
References: <1f7.1887db4d.30d4cfef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1134790030.27706.250001241@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Lol, thats a leading question,

does she do housekeeping, ironing, washing etc, if so a weeks not long
enough for me. 

atb, and a great christmas and new year to you and yours.

Joe


----- Original message -----
From: MARKBIRRI at aol.com
To: ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk, Dk928 at aol.com, 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:20:31 EST
Subject: Re: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas

How much are you prepared to pay for the wife for seven  days?


From gjm123 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 09:12:58 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:12:58 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Water pumps
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512170112t7d17a1e5s@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way of telling if a water pump needs changing? I've changed some
on other cars that were definitely past their best, but that was due more to
luck, timing, or doing something else that made it easy (and sensible) to do
at the time.

- Graham
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From paul at paullacey.com  Sat Dec 17 14:25:22 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:25:22 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Water pumps
In-Reply-To: <ac85f1f90512170112t7d17a1e5s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAkVx8myqhHkqkiof2SxGFsQEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi Graham,
Make no mistake about a water pump change - it is not a job to undertake
lightly. Unlike "other cars" the water pump is well buried and requires
considerable time and cost to replace.
As it is driven by the back of the cambelt if it seizes it will burn
through the belt quickly and then your engine will be damaged, perhaps
very badly, but at least some bent valves.
As a rule of thumb most people will say replace the water pump every
time the cambelt is changed but this is simply because it's an easy job
when the cambelt is off anyway. Personally I think the water pump, at
least a genuine Porsche one, will last 100K miles plus.
I have read they start leaking a dribble of coolant, then make a noise,
before finally giving up. Unfortunately there is no way to see the
dribble of coolant due to all the covers on the engine. Also, it's
impossible to feel the rotation of the pump due to the cambelt tension
against the roller. If you could turn it by hand the rotation is
absolutely smooth with no loose or tight areas. It does not spin easily,
if you tried to spin it with your hand it would stop immediately but at
the same time it's not tight (if you follow that description).
If you do end up changing the pump be very very careful of all the bolts
as the engine block is all too easily stripped - this goes for all bolts
that screw into the engine block ! Also watch out for the "hidden" bolts
holding the pump.
 
Rattled on a bit, sorry, hope it's useful

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Graham Manning
Sent: 17 December 2005 09:13
To: 928GB; 928UK
Subject: [928uk] Water pumps


Is there a way of telling if a water pump needs changing? I've changed
some on other cars that were definitely past their best, but that was
due more to luck, timing, or doing something else that made it easy (and
sensible) to do at the time. 
 
- Graham

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From marton at befree.ch  Sat Dec 17 15:55:34 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:55:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Water pumps
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAkVx8myqhHkqkiof2SxGFsQEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c60322$521de4a0$6401a8c0@simone>

Messagemy pump started leaking badly after about 65K miles

you do notice the small loss of water when it starts leaking as y ou are constantly having to top up without being able to traxe the leak.   eventually it leaves a coolant trace

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Lacey 
  To: 'Graham Manning' ; '928GB' ; '928UK' 
  Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] Water pumps


  Hi Graham,
  Make no mistake about a water pump change - it is not a job to undertake lightly. Unlike "other cars" the water pump is well buried and requires considerable time and cost to replace.
  As it is driven by the back of the cambelt if it seizes it will burn through the belt quickly and then your engine will be damaged, perhaps very badly, but at least some bent valves.
  As a rule of thumb most people will say replace the water pump every time the cambelt is changed but this is simply because it's an easy job when the cambelt is off anyway. Personally I think the water pump, at least a genuine Porsche one, will last 100K miles plus.
  I have read they start leaking a dribble of coolant, then make a noise, before finally giving up. Unfortunately there is no way to see the dribble of coolant due to all the covers on the engine. Also, it's impossible to feel the rotation of the pump due to the cambelt tension against the roller. If you could turn it by hand the rotation is absolutely smooth with no loose or tight areas. It does not spin easily, if you tried to spin it with your hand it would stop immediately but at the same time it's not tight (if you follow that description).
  If you do end up changing the pump be very very careful of all the bolts as the engine block is all too easily stripped - this goes for all bolts that screw into the engine block ! Also watch out for the "hidden" bolts holding the pump.

  Rattled on a bit, sorry, hope it's useful
  Paul 

  '85 928S2 Turquoise 
  '90 928GT Baltic Blue 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Graham Manning
    Sent: 17 December 2005 09:13
    To: 928GB; 928UK
    Subject: [928uk] Water pumps


    Is there a way of telling if a water pump needs changing? I've changed some on other cars that were definitely past their best, but that was due more to luck, timing, or doing something else that made it easy (and sensible) to do at the time. 

    - Graham


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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 13:46:22 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:46:22 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Re: [928GB] Water pumps
In-Reply-To: <001201c602f2$87fc2df0$57667cca@computername>
References: <ac85f1f90512170112t7d17a1e5s@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c602f2$87fc2df0$57667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512170546o2355ab7cj@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys. Cambelt is being changed so a water pump change is undoutedly a
good idea. The car has done 80-something thousand miles but not been used
for some considerable time.

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From gjm123 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 17 14:41:10 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:41:10 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Water pumps
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAkVx8myqhHkqkiof2SxGFsQEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
References: <ac85f1f90512170112t7d17a1e5s@mail.gmail.com>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAkVx8myqhHkqkiof2SxGFsQEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f90512170641w2388dfeal@mail.gmail.com>

Don't worry about 'rattling on'! Once I start on this the rad will be coming
out anyway. Not entirely necessary but I want to change the engine coolant,
the atf and the radiator hoses too, and having the rad out of the way should
make access to the front of the engine a little easier.

Thanks,
Graham


On 17/12/05, Paul Lacey <paul at paullacey.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Graham,
> Make no mistake about a water pump change - it is not a job to undertake
> lightly. Unlike "other cars" the water pump is well buried and requires
> considerable time and cost to replace.
> As it is driven by the back of the cambelt if it seizes it will burn
> through the belt quickly and then your engine will be damaged, perhaps very
> badly, but at least some bent valves.
> As a rule of thumb most people will say replace the water pump every time
> the cambelt is changed but this is simply because it's an easy job when the
> cambelt is off anyway. Personally I think the water pump, at least a genuine
> Porsche one, will last 100K miles plus.
> I have read they start leaking a dribble of coolant, then make a noise,
> before finally giving up. Unfortunately there is no way to see the dribble
> of coolant due to all the covers on the engine. Also, it's impossible to
> feel the rotation of the pump due to the cambelt tension against the roller.
> If you could turn it by hand the rotation is absolutely smooth with no loose
> or tight areas. It does not spin easily, if you tried to spin it with your
> hand it would stop immediately but at the same time it's not tight (if you
> follow that description).
> If you do end up changing the pump be very very careful of all the bolts
> as the engine block is all too easily stripped - this goes for all bolts
> that screw into the engine block ! Also watch out for the "hidden" bolts
> holding the pump.
>
> Rattled on a bit, sorry, hope it's useful
>
> Paul
>
> '85 928S2 Turquoise
> '90 928GT Baltic Blue
>
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From pagnobito at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 17 19:29:44 2005
From: pagnobito at hotmail.com (Michael Parris)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:29:44 +0000
Subject: [928uk] update on vibration
In-Reply-To: <ac85f1f90512170641w2388dfeal@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F27E0F49B109438A1D1D60AA83D0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,

Following on from other vibration stories, and indeed my own, I just got the 
car back today after a month away, to have some essential work done.
Track rods, Rack gators, springs, shocks and cups (on the front only), tyres 
(Mich GDS03) geometry and balance.  This has cured the vibration, it is 
beautifully smooth along the motorway now.
I also had the knock sensors done while the inlet was off to replace the oil 
filler neck and breather hoses that were leaking oil, and the acceleration 
seems smoother too, but I have not really taken it on a sprited run, just 
drove it home along the motorway.  It is quite fun to be going along at 60 
with something up my chuff, and then to floor it and see them look like they 
are standing still. lol.
There was some other stuff done I wont bother going into.

My lesson learnt, is not to buy a 928 from a friends dad and take it on word 
that it has been looked after. Ok it had cambelt and radiator changed just 
before I bought it, but then it needed the waterpump (contribution from said 
PO towards cost).  All the work I have had eon was required and should 
really have been done as a matter of course and not let build up.

I do have another problem with it now, and I dont know if is because it has 
been sitting for a while, I am pretty sure it is the valve body on the 
autobox not quite right.   Most of the up changes are teeth rattling hard.  
Do you think this is bad for the car and I ought not to drive it until this 
is looked at?   I just want to go and drive it now the front end doesnt feel 
like jelly anymore, but I dont want the break something with the heavy 
changes!  It also makes a funny noise just before it changes a bit like a 
buzzing for a second then clonk.  Down changes are still smooth btw.

Mike
89S4 Auto, no longer a jelly, but a kick in the arse from the gearchanges.




From richard at ritech-systems.com  Sun Dec 18 00:07:26 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:07:26 +0000
Subject: [928uk] update on vibration
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F27E0F49B109438A1D1D60AA83D0@phx.gbl>
References: <ac85f1f90512170641w2388dfeal@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY101-F27E0F49B109438A1D1D60AA83D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ZdsnaFJ+gKpDFwdP@ritech-systems.com>


As with everything on the 928, the auto gearbox is excellently 
engineered (actually a Mercedes derived unit) and is adjustable. The 
gearchange is adjustable via the vacuum connection. You will need to 
jack the car up and adjust a little valve underneath the 'box.
Paul Anderson will sort this for you in minutes

Richard


In message <BAY101-F27E0F49B109438A1D1D60AA83D0 at phx.gbl>, Michael Parris 
<pagnobito at hotmail.com> writes
>Hello all,
>
>Following on from other vibration stories, and indeed my own, I just 
>got the car back today after a month away, to have some essential work 
>done.
>Track rods, Rack gators, springs, shocks and cups (on the front only), 
>tyres (Mich GDS03) geometry and balance.  This has cured the vibration, 
>it is beautifully smooth along the motorway now.
>I also had the knock sensors done while the inlet was off to replace 
>the oil filler neck and breather hoses that were leaking oil, and the 
>acceleration seems smoother too, but I have not really taken it on a 
>sprited run, just drove it home along the motorway.  It is quite fun to 
>going along at 60 with something up my chuff, and then to floor it and 
>see them look like they are standing still. lol.
>There was some other stuff done I wont bother going into.
>
>My lesson learnt, is not to buy a 928 from a friends dad and take it on 
>word that it has been looked after. Ok it had cambelt and radiator 
>changed just before I bought it, but then it needed the waterpump 
>(contribution from said PO towards cost).  All the work I have had eon 
>was required and should really have been done as a matter of course and 
>not let build up.
>
>I do have another problem with it now, and I dont know if is because it 
>has been sitting for a while, I am pretty sure it is the valve body on 
>the autobox not quite right.   Most of the up changes are teeth 
>rattling hard. Do you think this is bad for the car and I ought not to 
>drive it until this is looked at?   I just want to go and drive it now 
>the front end doesnt feel like jelly anymore, but I dont want the break 
>something with the heavy changes!  It also makes a funny noise just 
>before it changes a bit like a buzzing for a second then clonk.  Down 
>changes are still smooth btw.
>
>Mike
>89S4 Auto, no longer a jelly, but a kick in the arse from the gearchanges.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk
>

-- 
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Mindbuggeringly irritating, but unfortunately unavoidable
and always in your face when you least need them.

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Sun Dec 18 09:34:31 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:34:31 +1300
Subject: [928uk] update on vibration
In-Reply-To: <ZdsnaFJ+gKpDFwdP@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEJDDBAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

The first thing to check is the vacuum check valve which is the blue one
near the firewall, below the coolant reservoir. And of course the general
health of all the vacuum lines

Jon in NZ


> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Richard Armstrong
> Sent: 18 December 2005 13:07
> To: Michael Parris
> Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] update on vibration
>
>
>
> As with everything on the 928, the auto gearbox is excellently
> engineered (actually a Mercedes derived unit) and is adjustable. The
> gearchange is adjustable via the vacuum connection. You will need to
> jack the car up and adjust a little valve underneath the 'box.
> Paul Anderson will sort this for you in minutes
>
> Richard
>
>
> In message <BAY101-F27E0F49B109438A1D1D60AA83D0 at phx.gbl>, Michael Parris
> <pagnobito at hotmail.com> writes
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Following on from other vibration stories, and indeed my own, I just
> >got the car back today after a month away, to have some essential work
> >done.
> >Track rods, Rack gators, springs, shocks and cups (on the front only),
> >tyres (Mich GDS03) geometry and balance.  This has cured the vibration,
> >it is beautifully smooth along the motorway now.
> >I also had the knock sensors done while the inlet was off to replace
> >the oil filler neck and breather hoses that were leaking oil, and the
> >acceleration seems smoother too, but I have not really taken it on a
> >sprited run, just drove it home along the motorway.  It is quite fun to
> >going along at 60 with something up my chuff, and then to floor it and
> >see them look like they are standing still. lol.
> >There was some other stuff done I wont bother going into.
> >
> >My lesson learnt, is not to buy a 928 from a friends dad and take it on
> >word that it has been looked after. Ok it had cambelt and radiator
> >changed just before I bought it, but then it needed the waterpump
> >(contribution from said PO towards cost).  All the work I have had eon
> >was required and should really have been done as a matter of course and
> >not let build up.
> >
> >I do have another problem with it now, and I dont know if is because it
> >has been sitting for a while, I am pretty sure it is the valve body on
> >the autobox not quite right.   Most of the up changes are teeth
> >rattling hard. Do you think this is bad for the car and I ought not to
> >drive it until this is looked at?   I just want to go and drive it now
> >the front end doesnt feel like jelly anymore, but I dont want the break
> >something with the heavy changes!  It also makes a funny noise just
> >before it changes a bit like a buzzing for a second then clonk.  Down
> >changes are still smooth btw.
> >
> >Mike
> >89S4 Auto, no longer a jelly, but a kick in the arse from the
> gearchanges.
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >928uk mailing list
> >928uk at 928.org.uk
> >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> >928.org.uk
> >
>
> --
> Jonathan Ross is to media what caravans are to motoring:-
> Mindbuggeringly irritating, but unfortunately unavoidable
> and always in your face when you least need them.
>
> RITECH Systems Ltd
> www.ritech-systems.com
> Tel: 01380 818094
> Mob: 07702 541137
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>




From pablo at adreso.com  Sun Dec 18 12:45:28 2005
From: pablo at adreso.com (Pablo Ventura)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:45:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] shark fins aerials
Message-ID: <2AD7C078-6FC4-11DA-9579-000A9573F496@adreso.com>

Here is another unusual item for 928 freaks; Shark fin anthenas for  
sharks:

http://cgi.ebay.ch/REAL-SHARK-FIN-AERIAL-PORSCHE-911-924-944-928- 
BOXSTER_W0QQitemZ8021703141QQcategoryZ36676QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If anybody ever fitted one of these I would be curious to see how it  
looks.

Cheers, pablo



From marton at befree.ch  Sun Dec 18 14:23:02 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:23:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] nasty rattle from the front
Message-ID: <00a601c603de$8ea2e120$6401a8c0@simone>

I was visiting a friend yesterday & parking when a passing motor mechanic
told me my exhaust had a problem.

Lifted the car today and checked the exhaust, looks OK.  Then I started the
motor and there is certainly a nasty rattle.

So far as I can tell it is coming from one of the belt driven devices at the
front.  Standing in front of the car and looking towards the motor it is the
device on the left.  I guess it is the air pump?  I do not have an aircon
pump and the alternator and power steering pumps are on the other side.  If
I put a screwdriver on it it really jumps around - sounds like some major
internal failure?

I guess I can just cut the belt if it is the air pump?  I do not need it...

advice readily accepted

Marton



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From marton at befree.ch  Sun Dec 18 14:35:23 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:35:23 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <004001c601c8$4ec07300$4a76c054@Drivejay>
Message-ID: <43735E9D00EF5590@mta-fs-be-01.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

300 euro, switzerland is not a place to find bargains, mustang is 5 litre,
v8 converible

 

Marton

 

  _____  

Von: Jerry De Weerdt [mailto:jerrydw at club.worldonline.be] 
Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:39 PM
An: marton; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
Wichtigkeit: Hoch

 

Hi guys,

 

i have the same cover here in Belgium and i pay 300 Euro. Go figure.

Marton do you own a Mustang?

 

Cheers,

Jerry

----- Original Message ----- 

From: marton <mailto:marton at befree.ch>  

To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 

Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:32 PM

Subject: AW: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas

 

Here in sunny switzerland I pay ?800 but that is fully comp, unlimited
mileage, any driver & full cover in all European countries ? also includes
same cover for the Mustang

 

Marton

 


  _____  


Von: Dk928 at aol.com [mailto:Dk928 at aol.com] 
Gesendet: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:29 PM
An: marton at befree.ch; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: Re: AW: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas

 

In a message dated 15/12/05 22:07:58 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch
writes:

How about recommending good insurance

Yep... always a good one ! 

Carole Nash, Classic Car Policy....6K miles pa....?240.   ( Unless you know
one better of course)

 

Dave


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From Dk928 at aol.com  Sun Dec 18 15:14:37 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:14:37 EST
Subject: [928uk] Old favourites for Christmas
Message-ID: <258.3d6f412.30d6d6dd@aol.com>

I'd swap her for a set of 17" Cup 1 Alloys providing offsets were  65/52 
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From paul at paullacey.com  Sun Dec 18 15:34:49 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:34:49 -0000
Subject: [928uk] nasty rattle from the front
In-Reply-To: <00a601c603de$8ea2e120$6401a8c0@simone>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAkI1Q805etkmOhD9k8PdHrgEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi Marton,
It's the air pump and you are correct, you don't need it. However, I
forget what model your 928 is, if it's 16v then the air pump belt also
drives the fan - but then you don't need that either :-)

Paul

'85 928S2 Turquoise
'90 928GT Baltic Blue


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of marton
Sent: 18 December 2005 14:23
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk; 928gb
Subject: [928uk] nasty rattle from the front


I was visiting a friend yesterday & parking when a passing motor
mechanic told me my exhaust had a problem.

Lifted the car today and checked the exhaust, looks OK.  Then I started
the motor and there is certainly a nasty rattle.

So far as I can tell it is coming from one of the belt driven devices at
the front.  Standing in front of the car and looking towards the motor
it is the device on the left.  I guess it is the air pump?  I do not
have an aircon pump and the alternator and power steering pumps are on
the other side.  If I put a screwdriver on it it really jumps around -
sounds like some major internal failure?

I guess I can just cut the belt if it is the air pump?  I do not need
it...

advice readily accepted

Marton



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From marton at befree.ch  Sun Dec 18 15:37:14 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:37:14 +0100
Subject: AW: [928uk] nasty rattle from the front
In-Reply-To: <00a601c603de$8ea2e120$6401a8c0@simone>
Message-ID: <43735F9B00EA5010@mta-fs-be-04.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

Thank you for the advice everyone.

Short application of a sharp knife to the belt and it is all very quiet
again.

Will do something more permanent after Christmas

Marton

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von marton
Gesendet: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:23 PM
An: 928uk at 928.org.uk; 928gb
Betreff: [928uk] nasty rattle from the front

I was visiting a friend yesterday & parking when a passing motor mechanic
told me my exhaust had a problem.

Lifted the car today and checked the exhaust, looks OK.  Then I started the
motor and there is certainly a nasty rattle.

So far as I can tell it is coming from one of the belt driven devices at the
front.  Standing in front of the car and looking towards the motor it is the
device on the left.  I guess it is the air pump?  I do not have an aircon
pump and the alternator and power steering pumps are on the other side.  If
I put a screwdriver on it it really jumps around - sounds like some major
internal failure?

I guess I can just cut the belt if it is the air pump?  I do not need it...

advice readily accepted

Marton



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From george.parker183 at btopenworld.com  Sun Dec 18 16:39:16 2005
From: george.parker183 at btopenworld.com (george.parker183)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:39:16 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
Message-ID: <005b01c603f1$9b52e2e0$1530a8c0@george>

Hi Guys,

 

I've got a nasty feeling, Phil, that an OPC workshop mechanic would not notify anybody about anything. Chapelgate Workshop Manager admitted quite frankly that their policy is to replace, everything repair nothing, and that their Bosch Hammer 928 diagnostic machine cannot differentiate between the EZK and the LH, and so in my case they would have replaced the one, (which was not faulty) at ?1200 and then the other at ?1800, but that if you want to get something repaired then they will take it out and give it to you and you can send it away as did I, and when my LH came back from John and I took it back to them and stood over them whilst they fitted it and found that my car immediately leapt to life, much to their surprise, they still didn't apologize for having got their diagnosis wrong, and expected me to pay ?350 for it, although they did let me off the charge for refitting. I'm glad to hear that you don't go near the OPC any more, because they don't know what they're doing. All the trained 928 mechanics have left apparently. When a friend visited the Stuttgart factory they said, that 928 owners should stop using OPCs and find a good Independent. I don't know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust bearing failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them?

 

I agree Dave, the OPC coffee is OK, but it looks as if you found that their workmanship on 928s isn't.

 

I sympathise Paul. It looks as if you suffered the nightmare scenario with your LH ECU packing up on the continent. It has a faulty, fragile circuit board, of course and everybody is now well advised to send their LH to John Speake so that he can replace it with a sturdy one before it packs up and you have to remember that he won't be around forever. Like me he's no spring chicken and when he's gone it will be too late .. AND ANGUS I VOTE FOR PUTTING A BIG WARNING UP ABOUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE.

 

I agree Peter. You can't trust the OPC pikeys at all.

 

I sympathise Chris. You've got some serious engine trouble, but nothing John Speake cannot easily solve I would think. He seems to have the answer to everything, and if you live in South Hampshire then Jon Mitchell will help you out too. I've had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years and it's even better when it's frosty, like today. If you live elsewhere ask John for your local Independent.



Concerning the fuel pump box. I've just found mine crammed with rust, and needing a very good poking out, and some rust repairs. I then Hammerite undersealed it, inside and out and squirted in a good dose of Motorbike Chainlube.

 

South Hants Independent Porsche Specialist is Jon Mitchell, 
8a Brownen Road, Bournemouth, BH9 1HQ, Tel 01202 462951. 

Best wishes,
George.
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Sun Dec 18 17:54:18 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:54:18 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
References: <005b01c603f1$9b52e2e0$1530a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <00ba01c603fc$131eb7e0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>

 
  I sympathise Paul. It looks as if you suffered the nightmare scenario with your LH ECU packing up on the continent. It has a faulty, fragile circuit board, of course and everybody is now well advised to send their LH to John Speake so that he can replace it with a sturdy one before it packs up and you have to remember that he won't be around forever. Like me he's no spring chicken and when he's gone it will be too late .. AND ANGUS I VOTE FOR PUTTING A BIG WARNING UP ABOUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE.

   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



  Bloody hell George !!! Don't write me off yet :-)



  John   (still with all his teeth.....)
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From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 18:43:55 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:43:55 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c603fc$131eb7e0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
References: <005b01c603f1$9b52e2e0$1530a8c0@george>
	<00ba01c603fc$131eb7e0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <98697a430512181043h730e0e6fw21dc0e272a504340@mail.gmail.com>

Hi George

I fear you're right, you said what we've all been fearing: That John, having
made such a success of JDSPorsche may well be on the point of using his well
earned profits to retire and head off to a life of relaxation in sunnier
climes.

Paul


On 12/18/05, JDSPorsche <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I sympathise Paul. It looks as if you suffered the nightmare scenario with
> your LH ECU packing up on the continent. It has a faulty, fragile circuit
> board, of course and everybody is now well advised to send their LH to John
> Speake so that he can replace it with a sturdy one before it packs up and
> you have to remember that he won't be around forever. Like me he's no spring
> chicken and when he's gone it will be too late .. AND ANGUS I VOTE FOR
> PUTTING A BIG WARNING UP ABOUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE.
>
>  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> Bloody hell George !!! Don't write me off yet :-)
>
>
>
> John   (still with all his teeth.....)
>
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From marton at befree.ch  Sun Dec 18 19:37:18 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:37:18 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
References: <005b01c603f1$9b52e2e0$1530a8c0@george>
	<00ba01c603fc$131eb7e0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <003701c6040a$76768260$6401a8c0@simone>

do not worry john, I am sure you will last longer than me _ of course you are younger than me so maybe this does not give you so much comfort...............

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JDSPorsche 
  To: george.parker183 ; 928 
  Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.


   
    I sympathise Paul. It looks as if you suffered the nightmare scenario with your LH ECU packing up on the continent. It has a faulty, fragile circuit board, of course and everybody is now well advised to send their LH to John Speake so that he can replace it with a sturdy one before it packs up and you have to remember that he won't be around forever. Like me he's no spring chicken and when he's gone it will be too late .. AND ANGUS I VOTE FOR PUTTING A BIG WARNING UP ABOUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE.

     >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



    Bloody hell George !!! Don't write me off yet :-)



    John   (still with all his teeth.....)



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From CourtBPMS at aol.com  Sun Dec 18 19:37:45 2005
From: CourtBPMS at aol.com (CourtBPMS at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:37:45 EST
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
Message-ID: <2a2.2543f8c.30d71489@aol.com>

That bit worried me as well - as I think I am somewhere about the same age  
as John!  
 
Tim Court
 
1985 928 S2 Manual - scruffy but goes well and used every day
1986 928 S2 Manual - pretty and reserved for special summer weekends
 
and still managing to drive them as they should be driven - as I am  sure 
John does as well! 
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From eyejosh at aol.com  Sun Dec 18 20:18:01 2005
From: eyejosh at aol.com (eyejosh at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:18:01 -0500
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8C7D22747A4BBA7-978-1BBF3@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com>

Does anyone know how to simply disable the central locking system on a 1984 928 S2 ? The problem with the fuse is that it fuses the window motors as well, but I am wondering if there is a single wire I could "snip" somewhere ?
 
Josh
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From marton at befree.ch  Sun Dec 18 21:43:33 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:43:33 +0100
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
References: <8C7D22747A4BBA7-978-1BBF3@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c6041c$1960af80$6401a8c0@simone>

dare one ask why?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:18 PM
  Subject: [928uk] (no subject)


  Does anyone know how to simply disable the central locking system on a 1984 928 S2 ? The problem with the fuse is that it fuses the window motors as well, but I am wondering if there is a single wire I could "snip" somewhere ?

  Josh


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From info at jdsporsche.com  Sun Dec 18 23:32:25 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:32:25 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
References: <2a2.2543f8c.30d71489@aol.com>
Message-ID: <012a01c6042b$4e9ee9a0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>

Hi Tim and Marton,
Well I'me 64 in a couple of weeks time........... 

John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  That bit worried me as well - as I think I am somewhere about the same age as John!  

  Tim Court

  1985 928 S2 Manual - scruffy but goes well and used every day
  1986 928 S2 Manual - pretty and reserved for special summer weekends

  and still managing to drive them as they should be driven - as I am sure John does as well! 
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Mon Dec 19 01:13:13 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:13:13 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
In-Reply-To: <012a01c6042b$4e9ee9a0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
References: <2a2.2543f8c.30d71489@aol.com>
	<012a01c6042b$4e9ee9a0$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <1134954793.14799.250081989@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Well you old codgers are making me feel very young at 43, lol.

Joe ;-)




----- Original message -----
From: "JDSPorsche" <info at jdsporsche.com>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:32:25 -0000
Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.

Hi Tim and Marton,
Well I'me 64 in a couple of weeks time........... 

John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  That bit worried me as well - as I think I am somewhere about the same
  age as John!  

  Tim Court

  1985 928 S2 Manual - scruffy but goes well and used every day
  1986 928 S2 Manual - pretty and reserved for special summer weekends

  and still managing to drive them as they should be driven - as I am
  sure John does as well! 


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Dec 19 01:28:08 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:28:08 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
Message-ID: <20051219012808.72F817315EA@viper.snap.net.nz>

Don't you start, grandad.

Smiffy (big kid)

> Well you old codgers are making me feel very young at 43, lol.
> 
> Joe ;-)




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 07:28:52 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:28:52 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Carring a Spare in Back - Warning on Rennlist
Message-ID: <98697a430512182328w4aff4028k5685998342f0c0b6@mail.gmail.com>

"I have been reading on other forums that some people are carrying a full
size (or even non standard spare) tire in their rear cargo space in their
Cayennes.

I just treated several passengers involved in an MVA (non Porsche) but they
had a full size tire in the rear of their SUV. 1 rear passenger had a direct
blow to the occipital skull -closed head injury- DOA. The other two rear
passengers had multiple facial fractures and one had a basilar skull
fracture as well with CSF leak and a c-spine injury.

Any wheel not completely secured and bolted down will just become a massive
projectile in an accident."


It would be rather sad to be saved from significant injury by the 928's
passenger cell, only to be decapitated by a spare wheel being carried in the
back. I'm going to be using the spare wheel lockdown bolt/plate from now on.

Paul
87 S4 Manual
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From fullworx at btconnect.com  Sun Dec 18 16:20:46 2005
From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:20:46 -0000
Subject: [928uk] the wrong time to sell ?
Message-ID: <000001c60474$1c4f14e0$348d8b56@btconnect.com>

great time to buy !!!,... ebay.: 4598704701
and a lot of 28's not hitting the reserve at 2.5k...

Rich,
87 Strosek SC
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From hans at hans.me.uk  Mon Dec 19 09:03:58 2005
From: hans at hans.me.uk (Hans)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:03:58 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Carring a Spare in Back - Warning on Rennlist
In-Reply-To: <98697a430512182328w4aff4028k5685998342f0c0b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c6047b$28aaab80$0201a8c0@pbatyj3kh39eh8>

I concur with Paul - all of our works cars that are estates have
substantial dog guards fitted to prevent this type of problem - albeit
it is for the cones, frames, signs etc that we carry - still pretty
deadly in a prang.
 
Hans
 
'91 S4 Auto Guards Red
 
www.hans.me.uk
 
www.driving4progress.co.uk
 
 
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Mon Dec 19 11:41:46 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:41:46 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Castle Combe trackday
Message-ID: <I89zCFB6xppDFwN7@ritech-systems.com>

Mail traffic for the trackday has been quiet recently - coming up to 
Christmas blah, blah. Busy blah blah

Don't forget, we still need a few more people although I have confirmed 
the date with Castle Combe

Friday 28th July 2006

For anyone new to the lists this is a 928 only trackday in Wiltshire and 
it is an absolute blast. If you have never been on one/taken your 928 on 
one, ar are worried about how it will go, or you will show yourself up 
as a complete numpty, DON'T be - you are amongst friends and these cars 
are so capable you will be absolutely gobsmacked. The cars love being 
thrashed, and go better for it.

So, if you are sitting on the fence, jump off and come along - if in 
doubt ask what other people have found. I had never done a trackday let 
alone in the 928, and had never really pushed my car until last May, and 
I am now addicted.

The price has even gone down from last year! CC messed with the dates 
and have given us a ?1000 discount as a result, so the cost will be ?100 
+ VAT for the day. Pretty bloody good for a full days entertainment - 
last year, by about 4pm the track was 'open pit lane' ie just go on when 
you are ready. Some had left, and lots were so totally knackered that 
they had had enough leaving the serious boys to play (that will be 
Andrew and Adrian slugging it out in their GTS and CS).

Well worth the money, and we will see about some better coverage this 
year.
I will be asking for ?30 deposits after the new year (Castle Combe 
require a deposit) so think about it over Christmas, and feel free to 
ask asmany questions as you wish.

Current list of attendees:-
Let me know I have got you wrong!

Rich A 91 S4
Rich P 87 Strosek SC
Charles Vanasma
Paul (ukkid) S4 87
Chritian Williams
Andrew Brierley
Andrew Sweetenham GT
Mandy and Steve Dougan S4
Paul Lacey 85S2 and 90 GT
Paul Thorn (?)
Adrian Clarke GTS, CS
Steve Masterman 91GT
Jem Napier 88 S4
William Napier S4
Hans
Phil Bainbridge
Luke Anderson 90GT
Philip Dadd  88 S4
Tassos Stassinopoulos
Miles Davis
Nick Carrington
Jerry De Weerdt (?)
Nick Skudder Orange 86 blackSE
Joshua Brekeen  91GT
Clive Lusted 89S4
Neil Glasscock  87 S4
Richard Dennys 91 S4
Phil Shotton
Alan Baldwin
David McLoughlin S4
Jonathan Privett  90 GT
Alex Popov    90 GT
Angus Fox
Paul Anderson  '79 Racer
Paul Anderson  '81 manual

Richard
-- 
Jonathan Ross is to media what caravans are to motoring:-
Mindbuggeringly irritating, but unfortunately unavoidable
and always in your face when you least need them.

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk  Mon Dec 19 12:04:05 2005
From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:04:05 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
Message-ID: <81E87BA5C8FA454BA97285B0C4591C4A0364BE@EDENMAIL.eden.gov.uk>

Hi George

 

The flex plate (that can destroy the bearing and cause engine death) is
only found on some automatics so nothing for us manual owners to worry
about!

 

Regards

Gareth

90GT

 

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of george.parker183
Sent: 18 December 2005 16:39
To: 928
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.

 

Hi Guys,

 

...... I don't know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust bearing
failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them?

 

.....had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years... 

 

Best wishes,
George.


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From gjbsolutions at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec 19 12:37:15 2005
From: gjbsolutions at ntlworld.com (gjbsolutions at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:37:15 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor
Message-ID: <20051219123715.GMNZ774.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I tried the Jaeger kit, and it worked for a while, but it's held in place with a tie wrap which broke, resulting in the shim doubling back on itself - messy.

I decided to go for broke, and ordered two new arrestors from OPC Hatfield - they arrived quickly, and were reasonably easy to fit.  You need to strip the internal cosmetics from the door (Door card, door lock knob and surround) to get your hand inside to remove the old unit, but they bolt from the outside using a normal headed bolt.  Took me half a Sunday to do both sides - and I'm not very mechanically minded.

More of a problem for me was the state the door pockets were in - these plastic units bolt to the door and had become brittle over the years.  The PO had used repair washers to re-attach at some time in the past.  I repaired these using some fibre glass and a bit of matt black spray and it's held ever since and looks OK.

The reduction in grief I get from the wife now that the door doesn't chop her legs as she gets in & out is well worth the money.  Can't remember the cost of the parts, but I do remember being surprised that they were so cheap...

Regards,
Geoff
1990 S4
> 
> From: "Ian & Lynn" <ianandlynn at darg100.fsnet.co.uk>
> Date: 2005/12/17 Sat AM 12:49:35 GMT
> To: "Bone, Chris (IT13)" <Chris.Bone at honeywell.com>,  <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Door arrestor
> 
> Chris,
> 
> I have 1 of these kits on mine - only minutes to fit! and they work really well.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Ian 
> 
> Black S4
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Bone, Chris (IT13) 
>   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
>   Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:11 PM
>   Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor
> 
> 
>   Hi everyone,
> 
>    
> 
>   I think this is a very common problem. The drivers side door on my shark is not holding open, which is annoying me as being 6.4 it keeps grabbing my legs and those doors are heavy.
> 
>    
> 
>   I was planning on ripping into the door this weekend to see if it is repairable, but this seems a daunting task as on examination nothing seems so simple. So first I would appreciate some advice on best practise for removing all the door panels so I can get at the guts inside.
> 
>    
> 
>   Secondly I was surfing ebay and came across this door arrestor solution from somebody in Canada. It sounds OK, but there is not much detail so was wondering if anyone had any experience with this solution or any thoughts on it.
> 
>    
> 
>   http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8022877139&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
> 
>    
> 
>   Cheers to all, Chris 90 GT
> 
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From pablo at adreso.com  Mon Dec 19 12:46:47 2005
From: pablo at adreso.com (Pablo Ventura)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:46:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
In-Reply-To: <81E87BA5C8FA454BA97285B0C4591C4A0364BE@EDENMAIL.eden.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <841FCE45-708D-11DA-85C7-000A9573F496@adreso.com>

For us that do have autos and are starting to worry about it:  Which 
automatics could be affected by it?

pablo
'84 auto
'90GT manual



On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:04 PM, Gareth Northwood wrote:

> Hi George
>
> ?
>
> The flex plate (that can destroy the bearing and cause engine death) 
> is only found on some automatics so nothing for us manual owners to 
> worry about!
>
> ?
>
> Regards
>
> Gareth
>
> 90GT
>
> ?
>
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>
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> Sent: 18 December 2005 16:39
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> Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
>
> ?
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> ?
>
> ?... I don?t know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust bearing 
> failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them?
>
> ?
>
> ?..had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years?
>
> ?
>
> Best wishes,
> George.
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From christian.w at virgin.net  Mon Dec 19 12:54:41 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:54:41 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
References: <841FCE45-708D-11DA-85C7-000A9573F496@adreso.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c6049b$61331ee0$0202a8c0@Christian>

As far as I'm aware all MY's.
Let's not get hung-up about it though, it's a pretty straight forward job (access being poss......just, with the car on ramps), that should be carried-out every 10-12k miles.
Hans of the SW Posse has an excellent link on his website which explains the procedure - www.hans.me.uk - listed under flex-plate/thrust bearing issues. If I recall correctly, the PO of his S4 had a replacement engine fitted by an OPC early in the cars life which was subsequently 'totalled' as the OPC weren't aware of flex-plate issues - SHOCKING!

Christian
'86 S2
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pablo Ventura 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.


  For us that do have autos and are starting to worry about it: Which automatics could be affected by it?

  pablo
  '84 auto
  '90GT manual



  On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:04 PM, Gareth Northwood wrote:


    Hi George

     

    The flex plate (that can destroy the bearing and cause engine death) is only found on some automatics so nothing for us manual owners to worry about!

     

    Regards

    Gareth

    90GT

     


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    Sent: 18 December 2005 16:39
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    Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.

     

    Hi Guys,

     

    ?... I don?t know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust bearing failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them?

     

    ?..had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years?

     

    Best wishes,
    George.


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From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 13:33:10 2005
From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:33:10 -0000
Subject: [928uk] GTS Racer
Message-ID: <008501c604a0$c1430070$15982052@user328b210d3f>

Nice article about Tim Bryans GTS racer in the January edition of 911 and Porsche World.

Cheers

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From pablo at adreso.com  Mon Dec 19 13:36:01 2005
From: pablo at adreso.com (Pablo Ventura)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:36:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c6049b$61331ee0$0202a8c0@Christian>
Message-ID: <655B7C76-7094-11DA-9ED0-000A9573F496@adreso.com>

I checked the website but it states "module not available".
I asked my OPC to check the flexplate tension here in Zurich when I 
last serviced my car ?and he didn't have a clue what I was talking 
about!. I am presuming that with 100K kms. it has never been checked. 
Any idea what the german terminology for "Flex plate" could be?.

pablo
'84auto

On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:54 PM, Christian Williams wrote:

> As far as I'm aware all MY's.
> Let's not get hung-up about it though, it's a pretty straight forward 
> job (access being poss......just, with the car on ramps), that should 
> be carried-out every 10-12k miles.
> Hans of the SW Posse has an excellent link on his website which 
> explains the procedure - www.hans.me.uk - listed under 
> flex-plate/thrust bearing issues. If I recall correctly, the PO of his 
> S4 had a replacement engine fitted by an OPC early in the cars life 
> which was subsequently 'totalled' as the OPC weren't aware of 
> flex-plate issues - SHOCKING!
> ?
> Christian
> '86 S2
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pablo Ventura
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
>
> For us that do have autos and are starting to worry about it: Which 
> automatics could be affected by it?
>
> pablo
> '84 auto
> '90GT manual
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:04 PM, Gareth Northwood wrote:
>
> Hi George
>
> ?
>
> The flex plate (that can destroy the bearing and cause engine death) 
> is only found on some automatics so nothing for us manual owners to 
> worry about!
>
> ?
>
> Regards
>
> Gareth
>
> 90GT
>
> ?
>
> <image.tiff>
>
>
>
>
> From:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On 
> Behalf Ofgeorge.parker183
> Sent: 18 December 2005 16:39
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> Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
>
> ?
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> ?
>
> ?... I don?t know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust bearing 
> failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them?
>
> ?
>
> ?..had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years?
>
> ?
>
> Best wishes,
> George.
>
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From christian.w at virgin.net  Mon Dec 19 13:47:07 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:47:07 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
References: <655B7C76-7094-11DA-9ED0-000A9573F496@adreso.com>
Message-ID: <004301c604a2$b4528dc0$0202a8c0@Christian>

Pablo
On Hans' site it's listed under 'For Sale, Information, Articles......etc
Anyway here's the link : http://home.planet.nl/~Jennit/Technical/ThrustBearingFailure.htm - if you copy and paste this into your browser it'll work for certain.
Good luck
Christian
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pablo Ventura 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.


  I checked the website but it states "module not available". 
  I asked my OPC to check the flexplate tension here in Zurich when I last serviced my car  and he didn't have a clue what I was talking about!. I am presuming that with 100K kms. it has never been checked. Any idea what the german terminology for "Flex plate" could be?.

  pablo
  '84auto

  On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:54 PM, Christian Williams wrote:


    As far as I'm aware all MY's.
    Let's not get hung-up about it though, it's a pretty straight forward job (access being poss......just, with the car on ramps), that should be carried-out every 10-12k miles.
    Hans of the SW Posse has an excellent link on his website which explains the procedure - www.hans.me.uk - listed under flex-plate/thrust bearing issues. If I recall correctly, the PO of his S4 had a replacement engine fitted by an OPC early in the cars life which was subsequently 'totalled' as the OPC weren't aware of flex-plate issues - SHOCKING!
     
    Christian
    '86 S2

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Pablo Ventura
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:46 PM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.

    For us that do have autos and are starting to worry about it: Which automatics could be affected by it?

    pablo
    '84 auto
    '90GT manual



    On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:04 PM, Gareth Northwood wrote:

    Hi George

     

    The flex plate (that can destroy the bearing and cause engine death) is only found on some automatics so nothing for us manual owners to worry about!

     

    Regards

    Gareth

    90GT

     

    <image.tiff>




    From:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Ofgeorge.parker183
    Sent: 18 December 2005 16:39
    To: 928
    Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.

     

    Hi Guys,

     

    ?... I don?t know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust bearing failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them?

     

    ?..had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years?

     

    Best wishes,
    George.


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From MDavis at ndsuk.com  Mon Dec 19 13:51:20 2005
From: MDavis at ndsuk.com (Davis, Miles)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:51:20 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
Message-ID: <8816D45D55035746A8BF55CA9FBCC77003417BA4@ukex02.uk.nds.com>

Pablo,
 
The Porsche Service Manual refers to it as a "drive plate" so you could
try a direct translation of this. On the other hand you try to explain
to then that it is the assembly which connects the prop shaft to the
flywheel - I hope that they would get this.
 
I released the tension on my (the first time it had been done to my
knowledge) '88 S4 at about 68k miles and found about 5.7mm of creep. The
plate literally jumped when I released the pinch bolt. Having said that
when I checked the crank shaft end-float it was still within tolerance
so a big sigh of relief there. Well worth getting it done! 

Cheers, 
         Miles. 

 


  _____  

	From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Of Pablo Ventura
	Sent: 19 December 2005 13:36
	To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
	Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
	
	

	I checked the website but it states "module not available". 

	I asked my OPC to check the flexplate tension here in Zurich
when I last serviced my car  and he didn't have a clue what I was
talking about!. I am presuming that with 100K kms. it has never been
checked. Any idea what the german terminology for "Flex plate" could
be?. 


	pablo 

	'84auto 


	On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:54 PM, Christian Williams
wrote: 


	As far as I'm aware all MY's. 

	Let's not get hung-up about it though, it's a pretty straight
forward job (access being poss......just, with the car on ramps), that
should be carried-out every 10-12k miles. 

	Hans of the SW Posse has an excellent link on his website which
explains the procedure - www.hans.me.uk - listed under flex-plate/thrust
bearing issues. If I recall correctly, the PO of his S4 had a
replacement engine fitted by an OPC early in the cars life which was
subsequently 'totalled' as the OPC weren't aware of flex-plate issues -
SHOCKING! 

	

	Christian 

	'86 S2 


	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Pablo Ventura 

	To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 

	Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:46 PM 

	Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box. 


	For us that do have autos and are starting to worry about it:
Which automatics could be affected by it? 


	pablo 

	'84 auto 

	'90GT manual 




	On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:04 PM, Gareth Northwood
wrote: 


	Hi George 


	


	The flex plate (that can destroy the bearing and cause engine
death) is only found on some automatics so nothing for us manual owners
to worry about! 


	


	Regards 


	Gareth 


	90GT 


	


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	From:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Ofgeorge.parker183 

	Sent: 18 December 2005 16:39 

	To: 928 

	Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box. 


	


	Hi Guys, 


	


	...... I don't know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust
bearing failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them? 


	


	.....had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years... 


	


	Best wishes, 

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From info at jdsporsche.com  Mon Dec 19 13:54:03 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:54:03 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.
References: <841FCE45-708D-11DA-85C7-000A9573F496@adreso.com>
	<00bd01c6049b$61331ee0$0202a8c0@Christian>
Message-ID: <01a801c604a3$b441cf70$09a36a51@jds6c903b071c4>

The dreaded flex plate was fitted from MY 85 onwards. Earlier cars were set up the shims and circlip arrangement, and don't have a problem.

John




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Christian Williams 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.


  As far as I'm aware all MY's.
  Let's not get hung-up about it though, it's a pretty straight forward job (access being poss......just, with the car on ramps), that should be carried-out every 10-12k miles.
  Hans of the SW Posse has an excellent link on his website which explains the procedure - www.hans.me.uk - listed under flex-plate/thrust bearing issues. If I recall correctly, the PO of his S4 had a replacement engine fitted by an OPC early in the cars life which was subsequently 'totalled' as the OPC weren't aware of flex-plate issues - SHOCKING!

  Christian
  '86 S2
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Pablo Ventura 
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:46 PM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.


    For us that do have autos and are starting to worry about it: Which automatics could be affected by it?

    pablo
    '84 auto
    '90GT manual



    On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 01:04 PM, Gareth Northwood wrote:


      Hi George

       

      The flex plate (that can destroy the bearing and cause engine death) is only found on some automatics so nothing for us manual owners to worry about!

       

      Regards

      Gareth

      90GT

       


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      Sent: 18 December 2005 16:39
      To: 928
      Subject: [928uk] Engine failure replies and Fuel Pump Box.

       

      Hi Guys,

       

      ?... I don?t know anything about flex-plate checks or thrust bearing failures. Am I likely to have a problem with them?

       

      ?..had no trouble with my 91GT starting in seven years?

       

      Best wishes,
      George.


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From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 14:08:22 2005
From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:08:22 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Door arrestor & Clifford Alarm Question
In-Reply-To: <20051219123715.GMNZ774.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20051219123715.GMNZ774.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <43A6BED6.7090803@blueyonder.co.uk>

Hi,

I've had the Jaeger shims in place for about 18months now without any 
problems. Mine aren't held in place with a tie wrap??? It was minutes to 
fit them. If they stop working I reckon I'll go for new arrestors as it 
doesn't sound too much of a job.

I was dying to take my Porsche out this weekend but couldn't get into 
it. My clifford alarm seems to be playing up again. I think it's putting 
out interference which is messing up everything on the same frequency in 
the near vicinity. Earlier on in the year I suspected it was at fault, 
stripped it all out and started swapping bits in and out to find the 
faulty component. Whilst I was doing this the problem went away and 
everything was fine again and has been so for the last few months. Now 
it's come back. I'm still not 100% sure it is the alarm. Looks like I'm 
going to have to begin the process again!

The only component I couldn't track down last time was the clifford 
wireless fuelguard module. Has anybody any experience of these? It's a 
small module which cuts power to the fuel pump if it doesn't receive an 
RF signal from the main unit within a certain length of time. As it 
works via RF there is no way of tracing it from the main unit... one of 
it's selling points. The fitter is supposed to fill in the documentation 
to indicate it's location. This hasn't been done. I've looked behind the 
fuse board... apparently the fave location... nothing. It may not even 
have one fitted. The shop that fitted the alarm said they often didn't 
bother fitting them. Any suggestions welcome.

Cheers,

John S4 '91 Auto

gjbsolutions at ntlworld.com wrote:

>I tried the Jaeger kit, and it worked for a while, but it's held in place with a tie wrap which broke, resulting in the shim doubling back on itself - messy.
>
>I decided to go for broke, and ordered two new arrestors from OPC Hatfield - they arrived quickly, and were reasonably easy to fit.  You need to strip the internal cosmetics from the door (Door card, door lock knob and surround) to get your hand inside to remove the old unit, but they bolt from the outside using a normal headed bolt.  Took me half a Sunday to do both sides - and I'm not very mechanically minded.
>
>More of a problem for me was the state the door pockets were in - these plastic units bolt to the door and had become brittle over the years.  The PO had used repair washers to re-attach at some time in the past.  I repaired these using some fibre glass and a bit of matt black spray and it's held ever since and looks OK.
>
>The reduction in grief I get from the wife now that the door doesn't chop her legs as she gets in & out is well worth the money.  Can't remember the cost of the parts, but I do remember being surprised that they were so cheap...
>
>Regards,
>Geoff
>1990 S4
>  
>
>


From rob at robburrell.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 14:36:55 2005
From: rob at robburrell.co.uk (Rob Burrell)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:36:55 -0000
Subject: [928uk] Minichamps 1:43 scale 928 S4 models
Message-ID: <200512191437.jBJEb0Q18488@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi All

 

A friend of mine runs a business selling amongst other things model cars, he
has at last managed to get some Minichamps 1:43 scale 928 S4?s in Guards Red
and Brown Metallic at ?20.00 each ? I have brought one of each and can
confirm they are brand new, boxed and excellent

 

Should anyone be interested, please contact John direct ? be quick as