From andy at pandar.demon.co.uk  Mon Aug  1 08:19:01 2005
From: andy at pandar.demon.co.uk (Andy Gilmour)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:19:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Dodgy service histories......
In-Reply-To: <98697a4305073108017bd36e30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c59669$4f29d040$5711b150@oemcomputer>

The "winner" appears to be ebay registered in Australia.....so keep your
eyes open down under.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 31 July 2005 16:01
To: Nicolas M
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Dodgy service histories......


It seems you are right, look what else the winner has purchased

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10408&item=45605535
18



On 7/31/05, Nicolas M <nicolas928000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4562479316&ssPageName=A
DME:B:EF:UK:1
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk



From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Mon Aug  1 10:48:33 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:48:33 +0100
Subject: Fwd: RE: [928uk] Dodgy service histories......
Message-ID: <1122889713.21878.239702012@webmail.messagingengine.com>


Right enough is enough, someone is in the process of character
assissination and doing a good job the same was posted on 928GB from the
same email address with an id created that day.

If anyone really is interested i'll ask him on Friday when we go to the
Nurburgring. 

Joe



----- Original message -----
From: "Andy Gilmour" <andy at pandar.demon.co.uk>
To: "'Paul'" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>, "'Nicolas M'"
<nicolas928000 at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:19:01 +0100
Subject: RE: [928uk] Dodgy service histories......

The "winner" appears to be ebay registered in Australia.....so keep your
eyes open down under.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 31 July 2005 16:01
To: Nicolas M
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Dodgy service histories......


It seems you are right, look what else the winner has purchased

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10408&item=45605535
18



On 7/31/05, Nicolas M <nicolas928000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4562479316&ssPageName=A
DME:B:EF:UK:1
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk


From andrew at leblancsmith.com  Mon Aug  1 16:34:56 2005
From: andrew at leblancsmith.com (Andrew Le Blanc Smith)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:34:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Euro '06
In-Reply-To: <200507311135.j6VBZjf09876@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OMEJKMFKGKIJLCOMMGGIKEGODCAA.andrew@leblancsmith.com>

Hi Clyde,

Am very impressed and reckon you have some great ideas to build on. I am
certainly willing to assist where possible.

As a matter of interest I think that the EURO events from 2001 to 2004 were
all held the 2nd week in September - this has been a good time as outside
the school holidays but still Summer.  However this might not work with your
ideas on accommodation.

I guess the biggest problem of all is to guestimate the numbers who will
attend. Of the meetings that I have attended they have ranged from about 40
cars up to about 100.

Williams is a great idea - I reckon we would probably get Jenson Button as
the tour leader!!

Andrew 82S

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Clyde Lennon
Sent: 31 July 2005 12:43
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Euro '06


Euro 2006 UK Suggestions.

After a few emails to and from Rob Burrell, I have decided to drop a mail
entry for the 928.0rg ?listers? for feedback.   Rob, myself and my wife
Joanna are happy to do the main planning, however we will need some
volunteers to help do the detail.  Here is what has transpired so far.

Since a lot of F1 stuff is within 45 minutes of Oxford and since facilities
and other ?tourist? options are wide open for Europeans (we get a fair Tower
of Babel? of people down in the city), whilst being a lot less risky than
London Tube trains, Oxford and its facilities are open to us.  Silverstone
is but a short 50 minute run away and many good tourist drives can be
planned (including reliability rallies throughout western Oxfordshire and
into Gloucestershire and beyond) for those keen to drive in interesting
driving countryside.  Europeans might like it a lot, if they have been given
a pre-planned tourist route that is fun to drive.

Joanna has risen to the challenge and made a few suggestions and thinks she
can have the basic facilities, prices and options defined within a day or
two.  She simply needs to put aside the day or two to do it instead of
working as she does as a PR consultant and journalist.  We can house
everyone in a University either in Oxford Brookes or Warwick.  Oxford
Brookes is a better bet for a number of reasons, less distance and easy to
get to for Europeans, is close to all F1 teams, Silverstone and the M40
Gaydon museum, etc.  It also has sufficient to interest tourists by way of
theatre, cinema, bars, clubs, restaurants, classical music, live music and
much more (if people want that).  The Brookes site can house a few hundred
or more in single or double accommodation, supply conference venues, plenty
of parking and ?Concours? locations, plus breakfast, lunch (if necessary)
and dinner (should one want to stay in) to keep costs down at a special
tariff.  Like all items, I am sure we can get the costs down en masse.

Also I have enquired directly to four F1 teams all within 20-40 minutes
drive of Oxford (as that is where most are!).  They include in order of
current manufacturers points:  Renault (Enstone),  BMW Williams (Grove), BAR
Honda (Brackley) and Jordan (Silverston).  As an example Williams offer a
half day tour inc. tea and biscuits plus lunch with tour, presentation and
multi-media session.  This costs (current) ?45+VAT p.p. which is a bargain.
It?s only 10 minutes from where I live.  I am due to do a site visit within
10 days to check it out and get a ?package? organised for us, if you commit
to numbers etc.  No rush just yet.  If we couldn?t use Brookes for the
Concours record attempt session, I could arrange to use the West Park of the
country estate where I live at a modest fee (I live next door to the lady
who owns it ? old family friend).  The area covers around 25 acres which
should be ample for a 928 car park.  A track session could be held at
Silverstone which is not too far away (under 1 hr).  From here runs into
some beautiful countryside is also possible.  There?s lots of other stuff as
well for the Europeans to be switched on if that?s their lot, as from here
they can go to London for a day by fast train (or 928).  We could even
organise a day at the PCGB centre as part of a countryside drive since its
about a 45-60 minutes from Oxford at Morten-in-Marsh.

I think several different sessions managed by one or two 928.org people on
the day with explicit maps, venues, activities, etc. could be put together
very quickly.  As ever God is in the detail, so each different event /
session will need its own leader to organise as required.  Jo is happy to
arrange mass accommodation, lists of restaurants, venues and entertainment,
whilst she is also happy to promote the event, including (doing what she
does well) press coverage.  She is very good at negotiating mass rates.  We
just need numbers and committed people.  If people want 4-5 star
accommodation in private hotels or other options, Joann will supply a list
of recommended spots (she has done this for my business and other clients
anyway).  She actually visits the places and inspects them first, something
she did whilst editing the Le Routier restaurant guide many years ago.

Early days, but I feel if between several of us we can draft a possible 3
day 2 night set of events we can turn into something to remember and
thoroughly enjoy at the same time.  Perhaps the finale ought to be getting
all those cars in one place before saying goodbye so they hang around until
the end.  I believe getting a plan with good estimates of costs, times,
possibilities, etc. so we can present a suitable solution ready to be filled
in with detail by those who leap into our volunteer group.  Ultimately if a
simple form enabling people to tick off their preferences, bundled into time
slots across the period of the events, will be ideal for processing numbers
and getting final arrangements organised.

As an update:

Renault F1 don?t do factory tours.  Jordan stopped due to change of
ownership.  McLaren have a Zeitgeist issue and Williams F1, just 4 miles
from me, said sure, come on down, we will do a lunch, a film and a guided
tour!!!   I am trying to tie up a time to go down to WF1 and meet the events
lady (quite sweet) next week and get a group package organised with probable
dates.  The local Brookes University has stacks of student rooms for rent
with a B&B&D rate and very close to Oxford centre. WF1, has stacks of
parking.   Harley Davidson UK (I will see what I can do for us menopausal
types) and hell knows what else is also in Oxford.  What about a BMW Mini
Factory Tour!  As above Silverstone is less than an hour away.  Many a great
drive can be had from Oxon into and around Gloucestershire or as far away as
Malvern Hills (Morgans!).  Oxford has plenty of museums (Pitt Rivers,
Natural History and others, plus tours, Summer classical music, buskers in
the town centre and heaps of blabbering tourists, as well as plenty of local
pubs with good food and real ale in and around the district.  We can create
a whole guide for it very easily.  I believe that a simple 928-fest with all
of us standing around admiring almost identical cars is insufficient to
create a memorable experience, especially if one considers the cost of
schlepping here from anywhere on the other side of the channel.  It?s also
costly for the guys from as far away as Manchester, Scotland or Newcastle.
Maybe many have never visited down here.  SO we think making it a varied
optional package is the way to go with three of four core events for
everyone surrounding the 928 experience.

Feed back please ? directly.


_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk





From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug  1 16:58:30 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:58:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] Smokey 928 S2
Message-ID: <20050801155830.18731.qmail@web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Guten Tag to Everyone!
 
Just got back from the Ring in Frankenstein aka 928 S2 with the manually adjustable PSD on the 5-speed. What a hoot! Increase the lock ratio to around 55% - almost impossible to turn the wheel by hand if the other one is on the ground - and went drifting :) Having seen the performance of my 1984 S2 Manual I am getting more and more convinced that the best ever 928 was the MY86 S2 Manual running on S4 brakes and "Sport" suspension with that wonderful 16v engine... But enough of that... I have a more pressing issue than starting a debate on the best model year...
 
Now then! The car smokes moderately on the overun. It smokes blue... Where is this smoke coming from? Valve seals or rings! I think it is the seals, as I did not have any smoke when I booted it all the way to 160mph on the autobahnn. The oil level was normal. Any advise welcome.
 
Lastly, if it is the seals, can it be done with the heads still on the engine?
 
Thanks,
 
Alex
 
1984 928 S2 Manual
1990 928 GT

		
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Messenger  NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050801/b834a285/attachment-0001.html>

From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Aug  1 21:13:15 2005
From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:13:15 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Euro '06
References: <OMEJKMFKGKIJLCOMMGGIKEGODCAA.andrew@leblancsmith.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c596d7$95a9dec0$f3a7193e@dan>

I endorse all of that, well thought out Clyde. I'm the organiser for the
dedicated 928 evening on 06 September at J Z Machtech (everyone - contact me
if you have not already booked your place !!!) so I understand how much goes
in to getting events off the ground. A strong feature of your thinking is
that the potential itinerary is wide enough to possibly appeal to
"significant other halves" who may not be total petrol heads. I look forward
to hearing more about this. Best regards, Alan

1990 S4 auto - marine blue metallic - 33K miles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Le Blanc Smith" <andrew at leblancsmith.com>
To: "Clyde Lennon" <cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk>
Cc: "928" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Euro '06


> Hi Clyde,
>
> Am very impressed and reckon you have some great ideas to build on. I am
> certainly willing to assist where possible.
>
> As a matter of interest I think that the EURO events from 2001 to 2004
were
> all held the 2nd week in September - this has been a good time as outside
> the school holidays but still Summer.  However this might not work with
your
> ideas on accommodation.
>
> I guess the biggest problem of all is to guestimate the numbers who will
> attend. Of the meetings that I have attended they have ranged from about
40
> cars up to about 100.
>
> Williams is a great idea - I reckon we would probably get Jenson Button as
> the tour leader!!
>
> Andrew 82S
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Clyde Lennon
> Sent: 31 July 2005 12:43
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Euro '06
>
>
> Euro 2006 UK Suggestions.
>
> After a few emails to and from Rob Burrell, I have decided to drop a mail
> entry for the 928.0rg "listers" for feedback.   Rob, myself and my wife
> Joanna are happy to do the main planning, however we will need some
> volunteers to help do the detail.  Here is what has transpired so far.
>
> Since a lot of F1 stuff is within 45 minutes of Oxford and since
facilities
> and other "tourist" options are wide open for Europeans (we get a fair
Tower
> of Babel" of people down in the city), whilst being a lot less risky than
> London Tube trains, Oxford and its facilities are open to us.  Silverstone
> is but a short 50 minute run away and many good tourist drives can be
> planned (including reliability rallies throughout western Oxfordshire and
> into Gloucestershire and beyond) for those keen to drive in interesting
> driving countryside.  Europeans might like it a lot, if they have been
given
> a pre-planned tourist route that is fun to drive.
>
> Joanna has risen to the challenge and made a few suggestions and thinks
she
> can have the basic facilities, prices and options defined within a day or
> two.  She simply needs to put aside the day or two to do it instead of
> working as she does as a PR consultant and journalist.  We can house
> everyone in a University either in Oxford Brookes or Warwick.  Oxford
> Brookes is a better bet for a number of reasons, less distance and easy to
> get to for Europeans, is close to all F1 teams, Silverstone and the M40
> Gaydon museum, etc.  It also has sufficient to interest tourists by way of
> theatre, cinema, bars, clubs, restaurants, classical music, live music and
> much more (if people want that).  The Brookes site can house a few hundred
> or more in single or double accommodation, supply conference venues,
plenty
> of parking and "Concours" locations, plus breakfast, lunch (if necessary)
> and dinner (should one want to stay in) to keep costs down at a special
> tariff.  Like all items, I am sure we can get the costs down en masse.
>
> Also I have enquired directly to four F1 teams all within 20-40 minutes
> drive of Oxford (as that is where most are!).  They include in order of
> current manufacturers points:  Renault (Enstone),  BMW Williams (Grove),
BAR
> Honda (Brackley) and Jordan (Silverston).  As an example Williams offer a
> half day tour inc. tea and biscuits plus lunch with tour, presentation and
> multi-media session.  This costs (current) ?45+VAT p.p. which is a
bargain.
> It's only 10 minutes from where I live.  I am due to do a site visit
within
> 10 days to check it out and get a "package" organised for us, if you
commit
> to numbers etc.  No rush just yet.  If we couldn't use Brookes for the
> Concours record attempt session, I could arrange to use the West Park of
the
> country estate where I live at a modest fee (I live next door to the lady
> who owns it - old family friend).  The area covers around 25 acres which
> should be ample for a 928 car park.  A track session could be held at
> Silverstone which is not too far away (under 1 hr).  From here runs into
> some beautiful countryside is also possible.  There's lots of other stuff
as
> well for the Europeans to be switched on if that's their lot, as from here
> they can go to London for a day by fast train (or 928).  We could even
> organise a day at the PCGB centre as part of a countryside drive since its
> about a 45-60 minutes from Oxford at Morten-in-Marsh.
>
> I think several different sessions managed by one or two 928.org people on
> the day with explicit maps, venues, activities, etc. could be put together
> very quickly.  As ever God is in the detail, so each different event /
> session will need its own leader to organise as required.  Jo is happy to
> arrange mass accommodation, lists of restaurants, venues and
entertainment,
> whilst she is also happy to promote the event, including (doing what she
> does well) press coverage.  She is very good at negotiating mass rates.
We
> just need numbers and committed people.  If people want 4-5 star
> accommodation in private hotels or other options, Joann will supply a list
> of recommended spots (she has done this for my business and other clients
> anyway).  She actually visits the places and inspects them first,
something
> she did whilst editing the Le Routier restaurant guide many years ago.
>
> Early days, but I feel if between several of us we can draft a possible 3
> day 2 night set of events we can turn into something to remember and
> thoroughly enjoy at the same time.  Perhaps the finale ought to be getting
> all those cars in one place before saying goodbye so they hang around
until
> the end.  I believe getting a plan with good estimates of costs, times,
> possibilities, etc. so we can present a suitable solution ready to be
filled
> in with detail by those who leap into our volunteer group.  Ultimately if
a
> simple form enabling people to tick off their preferences, bundled into
time
> slots across the period of the events, will be ideal for processing
numbers
> and getting final arrangements organised.
>
> As an update:
>
> Renault F1 don't do factory tours.  Jordan stopped due to change of
> ownership.  McLaren have a Zeitgeist issue and Williams F1, just 4 miles
> from me, said sure, come on down, we will do a lunch, a film and a guided
> tour!!!   I am trying to tie up a time to go down to WF1 and meet the
events
> lady (quite sweet) next week and get a group package organised with
probable
> dates.  The local Brookes University has stacks of student rooms for rent
> with a B&B&D rate and very close to Oxford centre. WF1, has stacks of
> parking.   Harley Davidson UK (I will see what I can do for us menopausal
> types) and hell knows what else is also in Oxford.  What about a BMW Mini
> Factory Tour!  As above Silverstone is less than an hour away.  Many a
great
> drive can be had from Oxon into and around Gloucestershire or as far away
as
> Malvern Hills (Morgans!).  Oxford has plenty of museums (Pitt Rivers,
> Natural History and others, plus tours, Summer classical music, buskers in
> the town centre and heaps of blabbering tourists, as well as plenty of
local
> pubs with good food and real ale in and around the district.  We can
create
> a whole guide for it very easily.  I believe that a simple 928-fest with
all
> of us standing around admiring almost identical cars is insufficient to
> create a memorable experience, especially if one considers the cost of
> schlepping here from anywhere on the other side of the channel.  It's also
> costly for the guys from as far away as Manchester, Scotland or Newcastle.
> Maybe many have never visited down here.  SO we think making it a varied
> optional package is the way to go with three of four core events for
> everyone surrounding the 928 experience.
>
> Feed back please - directly.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>



From Dk928 at aol.com  Mon Aug  1 21:41:46 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:41:46 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
Message-ID: <190.450c90b8.301fe30a@aol.com>

Hi Guys
 
I'm replacing the alloy wheel nuts with chrome on steel....and I've been  
cautioned on extra unsprung weight....can anyone explain ?
 
Thanks
Dave
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050801/4db6342f/attachment-0001.html>

From guy at benkins.com  Mon Aug  1 22:38:21 2005
From: guy at benkins.com (guy at benkins.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:38:21 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
Message-ID: <200508012135.j71LZlf28427@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi Dave,

Unsprung weight is the weight of items that are "directly" in 
contact with the road, ie that move up and down following the 
profile of the road. Some components, such as wishbones, are only 
partially unsprung, but the tyre, wheel, wheel nuts, brake disc, 
brake caliper, hub, hub carrier (plus outer CV on the rear) are all 
fully unsprung.

The idea is to reduce unsprung weight to a minimum so that the 
linear inertia is minimised. This reduces the amount of force 
required to keep the tyre on the road surface and maintain traction 
instead of bouncing off over bumps. By reducing this force either 
the ride can be improved or the suspension stiffness can be 
increased which improves handling. Alternatively the sprung mass can 
be correspondingly reduced without loss of comfort (also giving 
increased performance).

Clearly, compared to all the items listed above, the weight increase 
of the steel wheelnuts is fairly insignificant, and thus the linear 
inertia wouldn't be noticably changed. However, rotational inertia 
is also a consideration, which is why all the spinning components 
have extra attention paid to weight reduction. Reducing rotational 
inertia theoretically improves acceleration and braking, though 
usually the tyre grip is the limit, and again the wheelnut weight is 
a small proportion of the total (and is located near the centre of 
rotation) so the change would not be noticable.

However, the real reason for not changing to chromed steel is that 
they are inferior. The alloy used in the Porsche wheelnuts is a 
reasonably advanced high yield grade which, if not over-torqued, and 
properly lubricated (not copper based!!), will last longer than the 
chrome on the steel variety. If you don't like the appearance, then 
get them anodised to any colour you like (near mirror is now 
available) and then they won't corrode either. If you are a nerd 
like me you will then get endless pleasure just knowing your 
wheelnuts rock. Isn't that why we buy these cars?

Sorry for the ridiculously long reply but I am stuck in an airport 
lounge with a 2 hour delay and you were first in line!

Best regards,

Guy

Dk928 at aol.com wrote:


Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:



Hi Guys
 
I'm replacing the alloy wheel nuts with chrome on steel....and I've 
been  
cautioned on extra unsprung weight....can anyone explain ?
 
Thanks
Dave


_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk



From jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Aug  1 22:37:24 2005
From: jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk (jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:37:24 +0100
Subject: [928uk] early 928
Message-ID: <42E8ABF500017817@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

Is anybody interested in bringing along their car to the photoshoot for gt
purely porsche on the 10th AUGUST.We are looking for a very early car,79,80
etc to complete the line up,the car must be in good condition and largely
original in spec cheers Jeff 88se

___________________________________________________________

Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005.
Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/
Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/




From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Mon Aug  1 22:46:40 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:46:40 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
In-Reply-To: <190.450c90b8.301fe30a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200508012146.j71LkffB008001@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Dk928 at aol.com wrote:
>  
> I'm replacing the alloy wheel nuts with chrome on steel....and I've been  
> cautioned on extra unsprung weight....can anyone explain ?

Hi Dave

Aluminium nuts are more fragile, more expensive, and a deal
more trouble to maintain (Porsche specify two special tools
just for fitting and removal; and Optimoly TA paste lubricant).

They choose aluminium nuts quite deliberately, as part of the
factory package to minimise unsprung weight:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsprung_weight

Your car it not going to turn into a bus if you replace the
nuts.  It's an incremental loss that has to be viewed in light
of the tyres, wheels and other suspension components.

Also check the mating of the steel nuts with the face of the
wheel.  The factory nuts are a snug fit.


-- 
Phil

Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman.  Believing what he read made him mad.
        -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) 


From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Mon Aug  1 22:51:58 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:51:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
In-Reply-To: <200508012135.j71LZlf28427@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200508012151.j71LpxaQ012255@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

guy at benkins.com wrote:
> 
> However, the real reason for not changing to chromed steel is that 
> they are inferior. The alloy used in the Porsche wheelnuts is a 
> reasonably advanced high yield grade which, if not over-torqued, and 
> properly lubricated (not copper based!!), will last longer than the 
> chrome on the steel variety.

Hi Guy,

Excellent reply.  

Then I thought "bugger".  I use coppercoat grease.

What's the issue with "copper based" lubricant on the nuts?

Thanks,

-- 
Phil

The cure for boredom is curiosity.  There is no cure for curiosity.
        -- Dorothy Parker (1893 - 1967)


From jerrydw at club.worldonline.be  Mon Aug  1 23:07:59 2005
From: jerrydw at club.worldonline.be (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 00:07:59 +0200
Subject: [928uk] ET's
Message-ID: <005801c596e5$7f6bb710$ceca5351@Drivejay>

Hi guys,

i'm looking at 18" wheels for my 928 S2. Right now i've got 17" with ET 47 in the back and 52 at the front. Can anyone explain to me what the ET is and what the right ones are for a 928?

Thanks,
Jerry
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/131d75a0/attachment-0001.html>

From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Tue Aug  2 01:38:44 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 01:38:44 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 Replacement - Sort Of
References: <200507301611.j6UGBqf06054@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <004c01c596fb$0189e860$02000003@oemcomputer>

Re the doors - With Porsche's design skills I'm sure they will look
good - and will operate well too :0)

Re "Panamera" - It IS a really naff name - and I'm sure the Americans
will think so too - hopefully Porsche will change their minds before it
comes to market.

>From the pictures my only concern is that it will be too big and so look
like a regular saloon car.

However, with the usual Porsche qualities and a turbo V8 producing
500bhp it will certainly be a highly desirable car :0)

George
(I'm sure I will want one)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Morgan
  To: 'Dave Hamilton'
  Cc: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk
  Sent: 30 July 2005 17:11
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 Replacement - Sort Of


  Check this link out. You may need to copy and paste to open.

  Mazda RX8 type doors! I think it works for the Mazda,
  but who knows what it will do for Porsche. The name Panamera doesn't
appeal
  to me, it seems it's aimed at the American market rather than the
  British/European, don't you all think?

  http://www.automobilemag.com/2007_sneak_preview/0505_porsche_panamera/

  Dave

  Guards Red GT


  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf
  Of Dave Hamilton
  Sent: 30 July 2005 09:58
  To: mike at dawe.com; Clyde Lennon; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Replacement - Sort Of

  Don't just go by the drawing. Check the photograph i sent the link for
  earlier (here it is again
  http://www.dancewithshadows.com/auto/porsche-panamera-sedan-2008.asp

  http://tinyurl.com/6np7q  )

  if it actally looks as good as that it should be a massive success.

  Dave

  1986 S2 5spd

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Mike Dawe" <mike at dawe.com>
  To: "Clyde Lennon" <cal at clydelennon.demon.co.uk>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:59 PM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 Replacement - Sort Of


  >I do not agree...seems more like two more useless doors.....this is a
Big
  > Mistake! Mike(T)
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
  > Behalf Of Clyde Lennon
  > Sent: 29 July 2005 18:17
  > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > Subject: [928uk] 928 Replacement - Sort Of
  >
  >
  > Take a look at the Classic Driver (Webzine) URL:
  > http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3300.asp?id=12568
  >
  > Clyde, drooling already and two extra useful seats.
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -- 
  > No virus found in this incoming message.
  > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date:
28/07/2005
  >
  >

  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk

  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date:
28/07/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug  2 03:34:54 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:34:54 GMT
Subject: [928uk] ET's
Message-ID: <20050802023453.00D845F5DA4@viper.snap.net.nz>

ET is the offset of the mating surface from the centreline of the wheel.
The bigger the number, the further under the bodywork the wheel will fit.
Spacers effectivly reduce this number.

On the back of a 928, the only thing you have to worry about is clearance, 
so you can work out for yourself whether you'll have enough space for your 
proposed new wheel/tyre size.

At the front, you ought to take into account the "scrubb radius" value. 
That is the distance between the centreline of the tyre contact patch, and 
the projection of the steering pivot axis.  A negative scrubb radius 
(which 928's have) gives exra straight line stability, especially under 
braking.

Now this is where I my memory starts to fail. The original wheels are 
ET65,and the SR is around -18mm on the early (pre 86) cars. With ET52 
front wheels, you have reduced the SR by 13mm, so you now only have -5mm. 
If you get back to ET65 on the front, you should find that the car feels 
much better, especially braking over bumps.

I'm sure someone else will correct my numbers.

Smiffy


> Hi guys,
> 
> i'm looking at 18" wheels for my 928 S2. Right now i've got 17" with ET
> 47 in the back and 52 at the front. Can anyone explain to me what the ET
> is and what the right ones are for a 928?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry
Jerry




From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Tue Aug  2 07:37:35 2005
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:37:35 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
Message-ID: <200.6dbf23c.30206eaf@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/1/2005 22:52:06 GMT Daylight Time,  
citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au writes:

to  minimise unsprung weight


Hi, just picked up a set of discs and this thread got me wondering why they  
didn't do inboard discs as they are heavy! Cheers  Tim'92gts
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/32f4e710/attachment-0001.html>

From jlight at talk21.com  Tue Aug  2 10:35:45 2005
From: jlight at talk21.com (joseph light)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:35:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] colour code
Message-ID: <20050802093545.91974.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi, I'm trying to find out the colour of my '88 S4. I've looked at the code information on the website but can't seem to match anything up. The build sticker in the boot reads C16 058 249 302 330. The car is a grey silver colour and any help would be appreciated.
Regards Joe
86 S2man
88 S4 aut

		
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Messenger  NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/b336e270/attachment-0001.html>

From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com  Tue Aug  2 10:52:39 2005
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:52:39 +0100
Subject: [928uk] colour code
In-Reply-To: <20050802093545.91974.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEEECILAAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.com>

You've looked at landsharkoz?  Best colour charts available AFAIK.

http://www.landsharkoz.com/colourstart.htm

The colour code is also on the build sticker.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
joseph light
Sent: 02 August 2005 10:36
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] colour code


Hi, I'm trying to find out the colour of my '88 S4. I've looked at the code
information on the website but can't seem to match anything up. The build
sticker in the boot reads C16 058 249 302 330. The car is a grey silver
colour and any help would be appreciated.
Regards Joe
86 S2man
88 S4 aut



From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk  Tue Aug  2 11:00:00 2005
From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:00:00 +0100
Subject: [928uk] colour code
Message-ID: <s2ef5238.050@mailhost.eden.gov.uk>

Hi Joe

The colour code is generally a numeric/alpha-numeric and should appear on the boot sticker, the sticker on the passenger door pillar and in the driver info booklet.  The colour name (in German usually) also appears on the labels.

Possible colours around your MY would be:

Colour	[Code]  Year

silver metallic [980*]	87-90	
diamond blue metallic [697*]	87-90	
stone grey metallic [693*]	89	
slate metallic [22D*]	89-90	
salmon silver metallic [81K*]	89-90	
linen [60M]	                89-90	
linen metallic [550*]	                89-90	

Check out examples on the very good Oz landshark website.

Cheers
Gareth.

>>> joseph light <jlight at talk21.com> 02/08/2005 10:35:45 >>>
Hi, I'm trying to find out the colour of my '88 S4. I've looked at the code information on the website but can't seem to match anything up. The build sticker in the boot reads C16 058 249 302 330. The car is a grey silver colour and any help would be appreciated.
Regards Joe
86 S2man
88 S4 aut

		
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Messenger  NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail 

Scanned by MessageLabs for EDC


This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
 Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com


From redlightjumper at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Aug  2 17:43:38 2005
From: redlightjumper at yahoo.co.uk (redlightjumper)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:43:38 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] Spotted!
Message-ID: <20050802164338.70986.qmail@web26006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

A smart looking red S4/GT going south on the A1 just down from Black Cat Roundabout this afternoon. I was heading north, well trying to, but beaten by the roadworks. The 928 went by accelerating very fast and the engine sound was fantastic..it was even accompanied by a cloud of dust from the roadworks - very spectacular!
 
Carl
'86 Silver S2




		
---------------------------------
To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/36120246/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: Shark.JPG
Type: image/pjpeg
Size: 1770 bytes
Desc: 1899390908-Shark.JPG
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/36120246/attachment-0001.bin>

From angusf at mac.com  Tue Aug  2 18:14:03 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:14:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Power Cut. Back now.
Message-ID: <200508021714.j72HE7rR004512@mac.com>

We had a power cut today which meant that although the server was up and
protected by its uninterruptible power supply its connectivity wasn't
because I don't have enough UPS's for *everything* :-)

Its back now. Some email may queue or appear out of its natural order but it
will work itself out and nothing should be lost

Angus
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: winmail.dat
Type: application/ms-tnef
Size: 1270 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/dc93e570/attachment-0001.bin>

From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk  Tue Aug  2 16:28:27 2005
From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:28:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Reading the boot/handbook label
Message-ID: <s2ef9f2e.052@mailhost.eden.gov.uk>

Hi Joe,

No problem.  Your numbers below are the option codes (sure someone else would have said this already) and are

C16... UK spec car
058... Bumpers with impact absorbers
249... Automatic transmission
302... Type designated on rear end
330... Radio Blaupunkt Toronto SQR 46, All models, not for USA

I've attached a pic (17kb) of my boot floor label to help you read your own.  The way to read the VIN number is shown below.  Engine and transmission numbers are in the workshop manual I think. Cheers, Gareth.

(courtesy of Phil Chadwick)........ VIN tells all.  

It will be something like WPO ZZZ 92 Z L S 8 4 XXXX, where

    WPO = West Germany, Porsche;
    ZZZ = filler for Rest of World cars;
    92 = first two digits of model;
    Z = filler;
    L = Porsche Model Year 1990 (A=MY80, B=81, etc);
    S = place of manufacture, S means Stuttgart;
    8 = third digit of model (ie 92+8 = 928); 
    4 = sub-type of model;
    XXXX = serial number.

The Porsche Model Year is coded as:

 A = 1980, B = 1981, C = 1982, D = 1983, E = 1984, F = 1985, G = 1986, H = 1987, 
 J = 1988,  K = 1989, L = 1990, M = 1991, N = 1992, P = 1993, R = 1994, S = 1995
--
Phil

>>> joseph light <jlight at talk21.com> 02/08/2005 11:03:51 >>>
Gareth, Thanks for the info. The sticker on the inside of the door shut is present but illegible but will check  out the landshark pages and have a serious hunt 


This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
 Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: BootLabel.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 17068 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/00199565/attachment-0001.jpg>

From info at jdsporsche.com  Tue Aug  2 18:38:15 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:38:15 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Reading the boot/handbook label
References: <s2ef9f2e.052@mailhost.eden.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <010001c59788$f700fa30$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

If you look on the build label (a copy of this should be in the front of 
your service record book) then there will be a code starting with "L". This 
is the paint code.

If it was a non standard colour (often a VW colour) then it might start with 
"X"

John 




From mike at dawe.com  Tue Aug  2 15:09:50 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:09:50 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
In-Reply-To: <200.6dbf23c.30206eaf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFKEFNCFAA.mike@dawe.com>

Adequate cooling plus weight of drive shaft to disc from wheel ,Mike(T)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of TIMCOAGF at aol.com
  Sent: 02 August 2005 07:38
  To: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au; Dk928 at aol.com
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Unsprung Weight


  In a message dated 8/1/2005 22:52:06 GMT Daylight Time,
citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au writes:
    to minimise unsprung weight
  Hi, just picked up a set of discs and this thread got me wondering why
they didn't do inboard discs as they are heavy! Cheers Tim'92gts
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/e9a8ceb1/attachment-0001.html>

From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Tue Aug  2 19:03:46 2005
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David P928)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:03:46 +0100
Subject: [928uk] How many volts should i see across the AC pressure switch?
References: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEECACLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
	<014f01c59293$74e15760$17667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <055601c5978c$877c19c0$4001a8c0@domainnotset.invalid>

I melted a track inside the AC switch by inadvertently earthing the
compressor clutch supply. Result was no volts to the clutch. Had to replace
the track inside the switch. Could align with Smiffy and the T belt job?

David '90 S4


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] How many volts should i see across the AC pressure
switch?


> Looking at the diagram, the power arrives at the clutch via the low
pressure switch, from
> the evaporator freeze switch, from the control switch. All points should
be at roughly 12
> volts when the A/C is on.(Although the low pressure switch voltage seems
high, and does
> suggest that the switch isn't ideal, there's a bigger problem somewhere
else.)
> Presumably yours is supposed to come on if the a/c button is pressed, or
the slider is in
> the demist position, have you tried both?
> Check the freeze switch next.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>
> To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:19 PM
> Subject: [928uk] How many volts should i see across the AC pressure
switch?
>
>
> > '90GT
> >
> > Just finsihed the T Belt job, but the AC compressor doesn't seem to
engage
> > the clutch. I am assuming that indication of the clutch engaging is that
the
> > visible centre part of the AC compressor pulley (that isn't going around
at
> > the moment, AC switched on or off) will go round.
> >
> >
> > First thoughts were that although I reconnected the wire to the
compressor I
> > may have damaged it, however this was difficult to get at so I thought
I'ld
> > first check for twelve volts at the pressure switch.
> >
> > With AC switched on I get a difference of 0.94v across the switch. I get
> > 0.98v between the +ve side of the switch and earth, and 0.04v between
> > the -ve side of the switch and earth.
> >
> >
> > This says to me that the switch may be a bit iffy, or the refrigerant
> > pressure is very marginal - barely closing the switch. but the
connection to
> > the compressor is OK.
> >
> > What else do I need to check?  AC worked although not icy cold when it
was
> > last run to keep us cool, seemed to be good at clearing the screen with
it
> > on the full demist setting about 3 weeks ago.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jon in NZ
> >
> > Black SE
> > Silver 90 GT
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk



From guy at benkins.com  Tue Aug  2 20:10:45 2005
From: guy at benkins.com (guy at benkins.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:10:45 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
Message-ID: <200508021908.j72J87H19050@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi Phil,

The problem with copper and alloy is the relative electronegativities
means that in the presence of an electrolyte (such as rain water) the
alloy acts as the anode and is eaten away. Not only do the alloy nuts
disappear, but the interface (usually the thread as that is where the
grease is) fuses into a solid lump of oxide, making them difficult to
remove. Use a correctly specified grease will prevent this, and also
improve the corrosion resistance by limiting the contact with the
steel studs. Anticorrosive electrical contact grease works really well
but make sure it is suitable for external applications else it will
disappear in the first puddle.

Best regards,

Guy


Phil Chadwick <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au> wrote:
guy at benkins.com wrote:
> 
> However, the real reason for not changing to chromed steel is that 
> they are inferior. The alloy used in the Porsche wheelnuts is a 
> reasonably advanced high yield grade which, if not over-torqued, and 
> properly lubricated (not copper based!!), will last longer than the 
> chrome on the steel variety.

Hi Guy,

Excellent reply.  

Then I thought "bugger".  I use coppercoat grease.

What's the issue with "copper based" lubricant on the nuts?

Thanks,

-- 
Phil

The cure for boredom is curiosity.  There is no cure for curiosity.
        -- Dorothy Parker (1893 - 1967)





From jerrydw at club.worldonline.be  Tue Aug  2 22:39:34 2005
From: jerrydw at club.worldonline.be (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:39:34 +0200
Subject: [928uk] 17" wheels
Message-ID: <005f01c597aa$adf869a0$bf7fc354@Drivejay>

Hi Guys,

I've got a set of 17" carrera 4 wheels for sale, complete with tyres and in good condition. The ET is 55 all around. I'm asking 405 Euro for the set.

Mail me off list if you're interested or want a picture.

Cheers,
Jerry

85 S2
80 R
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050802/7dc8d314/attachment-0001.html>

From sjsjchippendale at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  2 23:50:53 2005
From: sjsjchippendale at hotmail.com (sjsj chippendale)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:50:53 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Two 928's spotted in Jersey
Message-ID: <BAY24-F39CBF970D0DE63567911DDAAC20@phx.gbl>

Just got back from holiday in Jersey and saw two 928's, one was red, the 
other metallic blue.  Are the owners on the list?  I was in a hire car so 
couldn't possibly catch up with them.
John, Black '91




From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Wed Aug  3 02:25:04 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:25:04 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Power Cut. Back now.
Message-ID: <20050803012504.9A1D65F5C05@viper.snap.net.nz>

Good old laptop batteries.

Smiffy

> We had a power cut today which meant that although the server was up and
> protected by its uninterruptible power supply its connectivity wasn't
> because I don't have enough UPS's for *everything* :-)




From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Wed Aug  3 02:27:25 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:27:25 GMT
Subject: [928uk] How many volts should i see across the AC pressure switch?
Message-ID: <20050803012725.CCFDA5F5AD4@viper.snap.net.nz>

It would certainly match Jon's symptoms.
I would have expected the fuse to blow first though, rather than burning a 
track.

Smiffy

> I melted a track inside the AC switch by inadvertently earthing the
> compressor clutch supply. Result was no volts to the clutch. Had to 
replace
> the track inside the switch. Could align with Smiffy and the T belt job?
> 
> David '90 S4
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] How many volts should i see across the AC pressure
> switch?
> 
> 
> > Looking at the diagram, the power arrives at the clutch via the low
> pressure switch, from
> > the evaporator freeze switch, from the control switch. All points 
should
> be at roughly 12
> > volts when the A/C is on.(Although the low pressure switch voltage 
seems
> high, and does
> > suggest that the switch isn't ideal, there's a bigger problem somewhere
> else.)
> > Presumably yours is supposed to come on if the a/c button is pressed, 
or
> the slider is in
> > the demist position, have you tried both?
> > Check the freeze switch next.
> >
> > Smiffy
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jon Holdsworth" <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>
> > To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:19 PM
> > Subject: [928uk] How many volts should i see across the AC pressure
> switch?
> >
> >
> > > '90GT
> > >
> > > Just finsihed the T Belt job, but the AC compressor doesn't seem to
> engage
> > > the clutch. I am assuming that indication of the clutch engaging is 
that
> the
> > > visible centre part of the AC compressor pulley (that isn't going 
around
> at
> > > the moment, AC switched on or off) will go round.
> > >
> > >
> > > First thoughts were that although I reconnected the wire to the
> compressor I
> > > may have damaged it, however this was difficult to get at so I 
thought
> I'ld
> > > first check for twelve volts at the pressure switch.
> > >
> > > With AC switched on I get a difference of 0.94v across the switch. I 
get
> > > 0.98v between the +ve side of the switch and earth, and 0.04v between
> > > the -ve side of the switch and earth.
> > >
> > >
> > > This says to me that the switch may be a bit iffy, or the refrigerant
> > > pressure is very marginal - barely closing the switch. but the
> connection to
> > > the compressor is OK.
> > >
> > > What else do I need to check?  AC worked although not icy cold when 
it
> was
> > > last run to keep us cool, seemed to be good at clearing the screen 
with
> it
> > > on the full demist setting about 3 weeks ago.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Jon in NZ
> > >
> > > Black SE
> > > Silver 90 GT
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 928uk mailing list
> > > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > > 928.org.uk
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> 




From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Wed Aug  3 09:40:30 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:40:30 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
In-Reply-To: <190.450c90b8.301fe30a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDOEHICLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Dave

Having had the fun of removing corroded alloy wheel nuts (presumably due to
unsymapthetic removal by POs causing the anodising to some off and the salt
to get in) I changed all mine for steel.

Unsprung weight - leave the alloy nuts on for long enough and they'll
corrode away causing loss of a wheel - a huge reduction in unsprung weight
that you may be advised to avoid.

Jon in nZ
Black SE
Silver GT
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Dk928 at aol.com
  Sent: 02 August 2005 08:42
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight


  Hi Guys

  I'm replacing the alloy wheel nuts with chrome on steel....and I've been
cautioned on extra unsprung weight....can anyone explain ?

  Thanks
  Dave
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050803/cf9b0ff4/attachment-0001.html>

From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 10:30:53 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:30:53 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
In-Reply-To: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDOEHICLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
References: <190.450c90b8.301fe30a@aol.com>
	<CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDOEHICLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
Message-ID: <98697a4305080302302315c78c@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, but replacement alloy nuts are very cheap $2 or so, even I'm not
so tight I that I haven't replaced mine.

Paul
87 S4 Manual

PS even with your two cars that's only $64


On 8/3/05, Jon Holdsworth <jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> Dave
>  
> Having had the fun of removing corroded alloy wheel nuts (presumably due to
> unsymapthetic removal by POs causing the anodising to some off and the salt
> to get in) I changed all mine for steel.
>  
> Unsprung weight - leave the alloy nuts on for long enough and they'll
> corrode away causing loss of a wheel - a huge reduction in unsprung weight
> that you may be advised to avoid.
>  
> Jon in nZ
> Black SE
> Silver GT
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
> Dk928 at aol.com
> Sent: 02 August 2005 08:42
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Unsprung Weight
> 
> Hi Guys
>  
> I'm replacing the alloy wheel nuts with chrome on steel....and I've been
> cautioned on extra unsprung weight....can anyone explain ?
>  
> Thanks
> Dave 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 
>


From bigcgt at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  3 19:17:04 2005
From: bigcgt at hotmail.com (Big CGT)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:17:04 +0100
Subject: [928uk] supply to fuel pump
Message-ID: <BAY102-F380C57367A4067E9410811D3C50@phx.gbl>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050803/3babb6ad/attachment-0001.html>

From jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 19:31:49 2005
From: jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk (jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:31:49 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 shoot
Message-ID: <42E8ADED0002098D@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>

Still looking for an early 928 to come to the shoot,any takers?regards JEFF

___________________________________________________________

Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005.
Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/
Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/




From info at jdsporsche.com  Wed Aug  3 20:13:37 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:13:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] supply to fuel pump
References: <BAY102-F380C57367A4067E9410811D3C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <02e301c5985f$742257d0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

Wonder if anyone can help
  I have a 1983 S2 with no feed to the fuel pump
  Can anyone tell me which relay & which fuse control the fuel pump

  Thanks 
  Chris 928 S2 '83
  bigcgt at hotmail.com

  PS hope I have done this right as it is the first time I've used mailing list!!!!
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  Hello Chris,

  Welcome to the list.

  A number of things can result in the fuel pump not being energised.

  1) Does the rev counter flicker when you crank the engine ?

  2) Do you have spark ?

  3) If yes to both the above, then swap fuel pump relay XVII for one of the same type .Also check fuel 13 (fuel pump)

  Fuel pump relay is the usual suspect ! If not also swap out LH relay XVI

  John




-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050803/4b6b6150/attachment-0001.html>

From ANTONYMAXATAX at aol.com  Wed Aug  3 20:25:09 2005
From: ANTONYMAXATAX at aol.com (ANTONYMAXATAX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:25:09 EDT
Subject: [928uk] luggage net
Message-ID: <1c8.2dfcf58a.30227415@aol.com>

A friend at work brought a peugeot 307cc this week(yes it is a female  
friend,that's why there's no accounting for taste on the car).However in the  boot 
is a luggage net that fits the back of my 928.The hooks are made of plastic  
but they do fit onto the boot floor eyes.I priced one of these nets up at the  
peugeot dealers and the price quoted ?22.07 +vat.Alot cheaper than trying to  
obtain one secondhand or even new.Thought everyone would like to know.
                                   All The Best 
                                                     Tony B.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050803/cd73eef0/attachment-0001.html>

From terry at adams-little.demon.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 20:43:55 2005
From: terry at adams-little.demon.co.uk (Terry Adams)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:43:55 +0100
Subject: [928uk] luggage net
In-Reply-To: <1c8.2dfcf58a.30227415@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200508031947.j73JlDH00388@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Did you get part numbers by any chance?

 

Terry

1981 Auto, Platinum metallic, Pascha velour

 

  _____  

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of ANTONYMAXATAX at aol.com
Sent: 03 August 2005 20:25
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] luggage net

 

A friend at work brought a peugeot 307cc this week(yes it is a female
friend,that's why there's no accounting for taste on the car).However in the
boot is a luggage net that fits the back of my 928.The hooks are made of
plastic but they do fit onto the boot floor eyes.I priced one of these nets
up at the peugeot dealers and the price quoted ?22.07 +vat.Alot cheaper than
trying to obtain one secondhand or even new.Thought everyone would like to
know.

                                  All The Best 

                                                    Tony B.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050803/077e7cfb/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 03/08/2005

From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Aug  4 00:18:08 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:18:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] supply to fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F380C57367A4067E9410811D3C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200508032318.j73NI8Pd017705@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Big CGT wrote:
> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>Hi </DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>Wonder if anyone can help</DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>I have a 1983 S2 with no feed to the fuel pump</DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>Can anyone tell me which relay &amp; which fuse control the fuel pump</DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>Thanks </DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>Chris 928 S2 '83</DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>bigcgt at hotmail.com</DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>PS hope I have done this right as it is the first time I've used mailing list!!!!</DIV></div></html>

Hi Chris,

Almost everyone posts in plain text.

I see that John Speake has replied (well).

For future reference, a good reference for fuse and
relay charts may be found here:

    https://www.928gt.com

[They seem to be enamoured of Micro$oft.  Mozilla OK,
Firefox fails, but I expect that IE works.]


-- 
Phil

Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain
always cool and unruffled under all circumstances.
        -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), third US President


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Aug  4 04:39:03 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:39:03 GMT
Subject: [928uk] luggage net
Message-ID: <20050804033903.32A415F53FA@viper.snap.net.nz>

Or you could just vist your local motorcycle shop and buy a luggage net 
from them for even less money.

here's one for 3 quid:
http://cgi.ebay.ie/OXFORD-Luggage-
Net_W0QQitemZ7990759272QQcategoryZ30240QQcmdZViewItem

Smiffy

> A friend at work brought a peugeot 307cc this week(yes it is a female  
> friend,that's why there's no accounting for taste on the car).However in
the>   boot 
> is a luggage net that fits the back of my 928.The hooks are made of 
plastic
>  
> but they do fit onto the boot floor eyes.I priced one of these nets up at
th> e  
> peugeot dealers and the price quoted ?22.07 +vat.Alot cheaper than trying
> to  
> obtain one secondhand or even new.Thought everyone would like to know.
>                                    All The Best 
>                                                      Tony B.
> 





From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Thu Aug  4 09:32:50 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:32:50 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
Message-ID: <003101c598cf$1a7e6370$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hello All,
Rather a long story but here goes.
The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left me stranded at the petrol station
after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life in it though but just not enough to
crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after fully charging the battery the previous
night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after work it left me stuck at the petrol station.
I know that the car will start easily with a jump (first turn of the key), so phoned a friend who came up to the
petrol station to help out. Well what a carry on, the jobsworths in the station came out on mass and insisted
I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it really. So in the end had to push it just out 
past the boundary of the station which resulted in it being perpendicular across the middle of the road stopping all
the traffic. Anyway she started straight away and off I went (with a queue of traffic in tow!).
Right getting to the point - the present battery was bought less than a year ago from Halfords, told them what car it
was for and they looked up the battery (according to their computer). So last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps. Does anyone know what the correct rating should
be for an S4? Ok it could be a dead cell in the battery, but after phoning Halfords they said the couldn't test it as they dont
have the diagnostic equipment anymore because their particular branch no longer has a garage servicing section. 
So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed and if it is knackered go back and complain.
But it is the difference in CCA rating that has me wondering if the battery simply wasnt up to the task in the first place and
it wouldn't be the first time Halfords had their specs wrong on the computer.
Anyone know the right rating and or recommend a good battery to be using?

Cheers,
Andy
88 S4 Auto 


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/332bf83e/attachment-0001.html>

From paul at paullacey.com  Thu Aug  4 09:59:24 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:59:24 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
In-Reply-To: <003101c598cf$1a7e6370$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAASDjt3rc+SUyvbndVg1ZPygEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi Andy,
The cold cranking rating is not very relevant to your problem since your
car and battery were not cold. The difference between 650 and 680 Amps
is not relevant at all, there is no way on earth your car (or any other)
can take 650 Amps through it's wiring !!
The more relevant rating is the AmpereHour which should be around 88 for
your car = 88amps for 1 hour or 1 amp for 88 hours etc. Again not
critical but ballpark figure.
I have found Halfords are good when it comes to changing a battery
within warranty (usually 3 years) but I hope you have the receipt or you
may have problems.
Batteries usually fail most under two circumstances - when very cold or
when very hot. The first is obvious but if it's the second, which sounds
like the case maybe with yours, then it could indicate other problems.
The battery may have been "cooked" by a faulty regulator output from
your alternator.
If you have the receipt then just go to any Halfords, tell them "this is
knackered, I've had it tested" and they will give you a new one. Charge
it for at least a couple of hours before putting it in your car. Run the
car and check the voltage across the battery with a meter, it should be
around 13.8 volts at any revs and check it with the lights on too. You
should not the voltage above 14v at any time.
 
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Andy Brown
Sent: 04 August 2005 09:33
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


Hello All,
Rather a long story but here goes.
The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left
me stranded at the petrol station
after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life
in it though but just not enough to
crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after
fully charging the battery the previous
night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after
work it left me stuck at the petrol station.
I know that the car will start easily with a jump (first turn of the
key), so phoned a friend who came up to the
petrol station to help out. Well what a carry on, the jobsworths in the
station came out on mass and insisted
I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it
really. So in the end had to push it just out 
past the boundary of the station which resulted in it being
perpendicular across the middle of the road stopping all
the traffic. Anyway she started straight away and off I went (with a
queue of traffic in tow!).
Right getting to the point - the present battery was bought less than a
year ago from Halfords, told them what car it
was for and they looked up the battery (according to their computer). So
last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps.
Does anyone know what the correct rating should
be for an S4? Ok it could be a dead cell in the battery, but after
phoning Halfords they said the couldn't test it as they dont
have the diagnostic equipment anymore because their particular branch no
longer has a garage servicing section. 
So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed
and if it is knackered go back and complain.
But it is the difference in CCA rating that has me wondering if the
battery simply wasnt up to the task in the first place and
it wouldn't be the first time Halfords had their specs wrong on the
computer.
Anyone know the right rating and or recommend a good battery to be
using?
 
Cheers,
Andy
88 S4 Auto 
 
 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/bbc8f9e2/attachment-0001.html>

From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Thu Aug  4 10:03:41 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:03:41 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
In-Reply-To: <003101c598cf$1a7e6370$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDEEHPCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Andy

you don't tell us of the normal usage of your S4 but the fact that you had
it on charge the night before suggests maybe you don't use it every day. So
it is feasible that your battery has died just from being discharged a lot.
Modern car batteries seem to die after being completely discharged only a
couple of times.

That said - I think the specs for an S4 call for a 680CCA battery. However
bear in mind that the S4 was designed as a whole world car and had to be
able deal with living in Finland or the sahara. Living in the UK you would
probably get away with a fair bit less than 680CCA battery. I have a 610CCA
battery in the 88SE as it was all I could get immediately in NZ that would
fit in the battery compartment. It seems to spin the starter motor a lot
faster than the Bosch Silver 680CCA did when the Bosch battery was new.

I suggest if possible you take it to a different Halfords that has a service
centre so that they can test it and then replace it.

Jon in NZ
Black SE
Silver '90GT
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Andy Brown
  Sent: 04 August 2005 20:33
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


  Hello All,
  Rather a long story but here goes.
  The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left
me stranded at the petrol station
  after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life
in it though but just not enough to
  crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after fully
charging the battery the previous
  night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after
work it left me stuck at the petrol station.
  I know that the car will start easily with a jump (first turn of the key),
so phoned a friend who came up to the
  petrol station to help out. Well what a carry on, the jobsworths in the
station came out on mass and insisted
  I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it
really. So in the end had to push it just out
  past the boundary of the station which resulted in it being perpendicular
across the middle of the road stopping all
  the traffic. Anyway she started straight away and off I went (with a queue
of traffic in tow!).
  Right getting to the point - the present battery was bought less than a
year ago from Halfords, told them what car it
  was for and they looked up the battery (according to their computer). So
last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
  rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps.
Does anyone know what the correct rating should
  be for an S4? Ok it could be a dead cell in the battery, but after phoning
Halfords they said the couldn't test it as they dont
  have the diagnostic equipment anymore because their particular branch no
longer has a garage servicing section.
  So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed
and if it is knackered go back and complain.
  But it is the difference in CCA rating that has me wondering if the
battery simply wasnt up to the task in the first place and
  it wouldn't be the first time Halfords had their specs wrong on the
computer.
  Anyone know the right rating and or recommend a good battery to be using?

  Cheers,
  Andy
  88 S4 Auto

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/a0ed0532/attachment-0001.html>

From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com  Thu Aug  4 10:12:22 2005
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:12:22 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
In-Reply-To: <003101c598cf$1a7e6370$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEAEGJLAAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.com>


> This was after fully charging the battery the previous
> night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after
work

It's possible the battery is shot, but if it's just a year old you shouldn't
have a problem IMO.  I'd suspect you have a significant current drain
somewhere.  The "charge overnight" bit makes me wonder - how often are you
using the car?  How often do you have to recharge the battery?  Are you
using a "good", electronically controlled charger?

> the jobsworths in the station came out on mass and insisted
> I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it
really.

I couldn't blame them for that, but anyway.

> So last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
> rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps.

I think 650 is plenty.  I have a feeling my Bosch is about that.

> So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed

OK, that would be a start.

> Andy

As well as / instead of the battery test, I would recommend you test the
current drain from the car with everything "off" and see if you've got
something leaking current.  You need a multimeter and the instructions at;

http://www.nichols.nu/tip800.htm

If it shows a heavy loss, you can start pulling out fuses (or do what I
did - remove them all, test, and plug 'em back in one by one retesting until
you find the drain shoots up).

Kingsley



From luke.anderson at baesystems.com  Thu Aug  4 10:10:31 2005
From: luke.anderson at baesystems.com (Anderson, Luke (UK))
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:10:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
Message-ID: <15F78B85BE5E74459E20201F331B47DC01ED9F66@glkms0012>

I used a Bosch Silver 74 Ah Battery, the CCA 'Cold Cranking Amp' is 680
Amps, think this is the battery Porsche recommend.
 
Best of luck getting your money back from Halfords!
 
Regards
 
Luke
 
'90 GT
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/203d6be4/attachment-0001.html>

From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Thu Aug  4 10:24:32 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:24:32 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAASDjt3rc+SUyvbndVg1ZPygEAAAAA@paullacey.com>
Message-ID: <006901c598d6$52ba6de0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

MessageThanks Paul\Jon,
The car was cold when i started it after work and it only just started after clicking a bit and eventually just turning over.
Perhaps the battery is knackered (4 year warranty and i do still have the receipt).
I will admit that it is not used very often, so perhaps as you suggest Jon, the rapid discharging has caused this.
Unfortunately there are no longer any Halfords with service centres in my area so I will have to get it tested at a quick fit place first.
As someone else suggested there could well be a current drain somewhere, as originally it always seemed to be flat within the space
of being left for a week or so.

Thanks,

Andy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Lacey 
  To: 'Andy Brown' 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:59 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] Battery Problems


  Hi Andy,
  The cold cranking rating is not very relevant to your problem since your car and battery were not cold. The difference between 650 and 680 Amps is not relevant at all, there is no way on earth your car (or any other) can take 650 Amps through it's wiring !!
  The more relevant rating is the AmpereHour which should be around 88 for your car = 88amps for 1 hour or 1 amp for 88 hours etc. Again not critical but ballpark figure.
  I have found Halfords are good when it comes to changing a battery within warranty (usually 3 years) but I hope you have the receipt or you may have problems.
  Batteries usually fail most under two circumstances - when very cold or when very hot. The first is obvious but if it's the second, which sounds like the case maybe with yours, then it could indicate other problems. The battery may have been "cooked" by a faulty regulator output from your alternator.
  If you have the receipt then just go to any Halfords, tell them "this is knackered, I've had it tested" and they will give you a new one. Charge it for at least a couple of hours before putting it in your car. Run the car and check the voltage across the battery with a meter, it should be around 13.8 volts at any revs and check it with the lights on too. You should not the voltage above 14v at any time.


  Paul 

  '85 928S2 Turquoise 
  '90 928GT Baltic Blue 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Brown
    Sent: 04 August 2005 09:33
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


    Hello All,
    Rather a long story but here goes.
    The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left me stranded at the petrol station
    after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life in it though but just not enough to
    crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after fully charging the battery the previous
    night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after work it left me stuck at the petrol station.
    I know that the car will start easily with a jump (first turn of the key), so phoned a friend who came up to the
    petrol station to help out. Well what a carry on, the jobsworths in the station came out on mass and insisted
    I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it really. So in the end had to push it just out 
    past the boundary of the station which resulted in it being perpendicular across the middle of the road stopping all
    the traffic. Anyway she started straight away and off I went (with a queue of traffic in tow!).
    Right getting to the point - the present battery was bought less than a year ago from Halfords, told them what car it
    was for and they looked up the battery (according to their computer). So last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
    rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps. Does anyone know what the correct rating should
    be for an S4? Ok it could be a dead cell in the battery, but after phoning Halfords they said the couldn't test it as they dont
    have the diagnostic equipment anymore because their particular branch no longer has a garage servicing section. 
    So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed and if it is knackered go back and complain.
    But it is the difference in CCA rating that has me wondering if the battery simply wasnt up to the task in the first place and
    it wouldn't be the first time Halfords had their specs wrong on the computer.
    Anyone know the right rating and or recommend a good battery to be using?

    Cheers,
    Andy
    88 S4 Auto 


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/e2777e4b/attachment-0001.html>

From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Aug  4 10:45:33 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:45:33 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
References: <003101c598cf$1a7e6370$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <009e01c598d9$42c50320$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

  The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left me stranded at the petrol station
  after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life in it though but just not enough to
  crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after fully charging the battery the previous
  night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after work it left me stuck at the petrol station.............

  Hi Andy,
  Other people have given you some good info - here's my 2d worth...

  it is unusual for a battery to fail so soon in its life. It is easy to check cell condition (if it has individual plugs for each cell) by using a cheap battery hydrometer.

  If you have let the battery become deeply discharged at any time, this will damage it permanently. They do not recover their full capacity.

  Otherwise it is possible that you just have a "Friday" battery. I am sure that Halford will just change it, because they can't be bothered to do anything else.

  Regards

  John
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/76a20a3c/attachment-0001.html>

From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Thu Aug  4 12:31:18 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:31:18 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
References: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEAEGJLAAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c598e8$086a8380$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Thanks everyone for the advice.
I think my plan of action will be to try and get another battery out of
Halfords
and then test the car for current leakage.

Cheers,
Andy
88 S4 Auto


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team" <kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Battery Problems


>
> > This was after fully charging the battery the previous
> > night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after
> work
>
> It's possible the battery is shot, but if it's just a year old you
shouldn't
> have a problem IMO.  I'd suspect you have a significant current drain
> somewhere.  The "charge overnight" bit makes me wonder - how often are you
> using the car?  How often do you have to recharge the battery?  Are you
> using a "good", electronically controlled charger?
>
> > the jobsworths in the station came out on mass and insisted
> > I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it
> really.
>
> I couldn't blame them for that, but anyway.
>
> > So last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
> > rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps.
>
> I think 650 is plenty.  I have a feeling my Bosch is about that.
>
> > So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed
>
> OK, that would be a start.
>
> > Andy
>
> As well as / instead of the battery test, I would recommend you test the
> current drain from the car with everything "off" and see if you've got
> something leaking current.  You need a multimeter and the instructions at;
>
> http://www.nichols.nu/tip800.htm
>
> If it shows a heavy loss, you can start pulling out fuses (or do what I
> did - remove them all, test, and plug 'em back in one by one retesting
until
> you find the drain shoots up).
>
> Kingsley
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk



From red928gt at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Aug  4 13:44:56 2005
From: red928gt at hotmail.co.uk (Rhys Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:44:56 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Hello I'm back
Message-ID: <BAY15-F7B4E47D5AFE4A46BC62C4C1C40@phx.gbl>

Hi everyone, after a bit of a rest from the message board and a change of 
ISP, I have now set myself up with a new hotmail account for the sole use of 
the 928 mail list.

I'm Rhys, last year I bought a Guards Red 89 GT from a guy I met at a bus 
stop, his name was Angus Fox.

Since then I have had a lot of pleasure out of the car despite some rather 
large bills and frequent visits by the RAC!

To date the biggest problem was the wiring loom had been rubbing against one 
of the belts and was in a rather sad state, but Chris Sanderson at Loe bank 
managed to put that right and re routed it to where it should have been.

Also, the power steering hose was not positioned correctly and had been 
rubbing against a brake pipe, this caused brake pipe to shear and promptly 
drain the car of brake fluid, luckily I was within limping distance of my 
parent's house. (It was a horrid feeling - the brake just went soft - and I 
was moving rather raplidly at the time!)

Whilst it was with Chris, I had all the brake calipers stripped (one was 
sticking) and replaced two front discs with drilled discs and ceramic pads.  
The rears are still going strong - but I will probably replace these during 
next week's visit to Loe Bank - it's quite amazing how long the Green Stuff 
pads have lasted.

I'm on my second set of rear tyres already, but I guess that comes with the 
territory!  I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the cost of the tyres (I 
get Bridgestone's fitted for around 110)

Some of you might remember me complaining about no heat from the heater 
(well it was my wife complaining!) it turns out that although I could see 
and hear the mixer flap motor move, the rod was not actually pushing the 
flap open. Again Chris fixed this for me.

I currently have a power steering fluid leak and an oil leak and the car is 
off the road because something to do with the handbrake has gone bang and 
there is a terrible clunking noise from the rear wheels, so I will get it 
transported to Loe Bank by the RAC this weekend.

I have now decided to embark on a proper restoration and modernisation 
project:

Respray roof, bonnet, front pu.
Fit teardrop mirrors.
Replace the 16" wheels with 17" Cup wheels
Sort out a couple of dings on the body
And quite possibly the biggest project is new leather and carpets 
throuought.

I currently have linen leather and black carpets and am very tempted to 
change this - does anyone have any suggestions?  I saw some information on 
the list a while back regarding a company that do this type of upholstery 
work, does anyone have a link or a telephone number?

I cant wait to get the car back on the road, it is a superb drive, the 
speed, the noise, the looks - its all there!

That's it for now! I look forward to showing my all new GT at the next meet!

Rhys

_________________________________________________________________
Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! 
http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters



From paul at paullacey.com  Thu Aug  4 13:53:04 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:53:04 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
In-Reply-To: <006901c598d6$52ba6de0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAq7uAdbo6KEeyXZUQfOVWAQEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi Andy,
As you have the receipt just take the battery to Halfords and tell them
it's dead and ask for a replacement. I'm sure they will just give you
one. If you go to QuickFit or whatever they will probably want to charge
you (no pun intended) as you are not buying a new one from them.
If Halfords are reluctant I'd tell them the AA man said it was dead.
It's no skin off their nose anyway as they will just send it back to the
supplier.
 
You definitely have a current drain if your battery is flat in a week.
Obviously you need to find it as your new battery will not like being
deeply discharged as John pointed out. I can leave my car a month with
no indication the battery is struggling.
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Brown [mailto:andy-brown at tritech.co.uk] 
Sent: 04 August 2005 10:25
To: paul at paullacey.com; Jon Holdsworth
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems


Thanks Paul\Jon,
The car was cold when i started it after work and it only just started
after clicking a bit and eventually just turning over.
Perhaps the battery is knackered (4 year warranty and i do still have
the receipt).
I will admit that it is not used very often, so perhaps as you suggest
Jon, the rapid discharging has caused this.
Unfortunately there are no longer any Halfords with service centres in
my area so I will have to get it tested at a quick fit place first.
As someone else suggested there could well be a current drain somewhere,
as originally it always seemed to be flat within the space
of being left for a week or so.
 
Thanks,
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Lacey <mailto:paul at paullacey.com>  
To: 'Andy Brown' <mailto:andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>  
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Battery Problems

Hi Andy,
The cold cranking rating is not very relevant to your problem since your
car and battery were not cold. The difference between 650 and 680 Amps
is not relevant at all, there is no way on earth your car (or any other)
can take 650 Amps through it's wiring !!
The more relevant rating is the AmpereHour which should be around 88 for
your car = 88amps for 1 hour or 1 amp for 88 hours etc. Again not
critical but ballpark figure.
I have found Halfords are good when it comes to changing a battery
within warranty (usually 3 years) but I hope you have the receipt or you
may have problems.
Batteries usually fail most under two circumstances - when very cold or
when very hot. The first is obvious but if it's the second, which sounds
like the case maybe with yours, then it could indicate other problems.
The battery may have been "cooked" by a faulty regulator output from
your alternator.
If you have the receipt then just go to any Halfords, tell them "this is
knackered, I've had it tested" and they will give you a new one. Charge
it for at least a couple of hours before putting it in your car. Run the
car and check the voltage across the battery with a meter, it should be
around 13.8 volts at any revs and check it with the lights on too. You
should not the voltage above 14v at any time.
 
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Andy Brown
Sent: 04 August 2005 09:33
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


Hello All,
Rather a long story but here goes.
The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left
me stranded at the petrol station
after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life
in it though but just not enough to
crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after
fully charging the battery the previous
night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after
work it left me stuck at the petrol station.
I know that the car will start easily with a jump (first turn of the
key), so phoned a friend who came up to the
petrol station to help out. Well what a carry on, the jobsworths in the
station came out on mass and insisted
I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it
really. So in the end had to push it just out 
past the boundary of the station which resulted in it being
perpendicular across the middle of the road stopping all
the traffic. Anyway she started straight away and off I went (with a
queue of traffic in tow!).
Right getting to the point - the present battery was bought less than a
year ago from Halfords, told them what car it
was for and they looked up the battery (according to their computer). So
last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps.
Does anyone know what the correct rating should
be for an S4? Ok it could be a dead cell in the battery, but after
phoning Halfords they said the couldn't test it as they dont
have the diagnostic equipment anymore because their particular branch no
longer has a garage servicing section. 
So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed
and if it is knackered go back and complain.
But it is the difference in CCA rating that has me wondering if the
battery simply wasnt up to the task in the first place and
it wouldn't be the first time Halfords had their specs wrong on the
computer.
Anyone know the right rating and or recommend a good battery to be
using?
 
Cheers,
Andy
88 S4 Auto 
 
 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/42d641f6/attachment-0001.html>

From paul at paullacey.com  Thu Aug  4 14:47:13 2005
From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:47:13 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
In-Reply-To: <00d501c598f9$0a0eade0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAL8QDaztJY0K5Z6z5wvy6x8KAAAAQAAAAV8N38AY/akqMPkNrCJrrGgEAAAAA@paullacey.com>

Hi,
The tip is correct but the wording could be better.
When looking for a current leak the meter must be in Amp measuring mode
and you are looking for a current flow through the battery. As the tip
says "disconnect the battery ground strap" this means disconnect it from
the body NOT the battery. Then "attach one probe to the ground strap
(which is still connected to battery -ve) and the other to chassis
ground". So you will measure current flow from the battery -ve terminal,
through the ground strap, through the meter, and then to ground.
Be careful you never turn the ignition on when you have the meter
connected like this. Use the highest Amp scale on the meter and work
down, usually 10A will have a different connection for the lead, then 1A
and below will be another connection.
Make sure the interior lights are off, the tailgate will be open but
behind the toolkit panel, just near the tailgate release motor, you will
see a two wire connector, if you unplug this then the interior lights
will be off with the tailgate open.
Bear in mind, with the meter connected this way, if you open a door the
current through the interior lights could blow a fuse in the meter.
 
Happy hunting :-)
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Brown [mailto:andy-brown at tritech.co.uk] 
Sent: 04 August 2005 14:33
To: paul at paullacey.com
Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems


Hi Paul,
Great idea "The AA man said....".
Thanks for the link to Nichols. Having read it - surely this is a
mistake :- "disconnect your battery ground strap, attach one probe of
the meter to the ground strap and the other probe to chassis ground." 
Should it not be one end to the battery negative terminal and one end to
the chassis ground or battery ground strap (as they are one in the same
thing).
 
Cheers,
Andy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Lacey <mailto:paul at paullacey.com>  
To: 'Andy Brown' <mailto:andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>  ; 'Jon Holdsworth'
<mailto:jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz>  
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Battery Problems

Hi Andy,
As you have the receipt just take the battery to Halfords and tell them
it's dead and ask for a replacement. I'm sure they will just give you
one. If you go to QuickFit or whatever they will probably want to charge
you (no pun intended) as you are not buying a new one from them.
If Halfords are reluctant I'd tell them the AA man said it was dead.
It's no skin off their nose anyway as they will just send it back to the
supplier.
 
You definitely have a current drain if your battery is flat in a week.
Obviously you need to find it as your new battery will not like being
deeply discharged as John pointed out. I can leave my car a month with
no indication the battery is struggling.
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Brown [mailto:andy-brown at tritech.co.uk] 
Sent: 04 August 2005 10:25
To: paul at paullacey.com; Jon Holdsworth
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems


Thanks Paul\Jon,
The car was cold when i started it after work and it only just started
after clicking a bit and eventually just turning over.
Perhaps the battery is knackered (4 year warranty and i do still have
the receipt).
I will admit that it is not used very often, so perhaps as you suggest
Jon, the rapid discharging has caused this.
Unfortunately there are no longer any Halfords with service centres in
my area so I will have to get it tested at a quick fit place first.
As someone else suggested there could well be a current drain somewhere,
as originally it always seemed to be flat within the space
of being left for a week or so.
 
Thanks,
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul  <mailto:paul at paullacey.com> Lacey 
To: 'Andy Brown' <mailto:andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>  
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Battery Problems

Hi Andy,
The cold cranking rating is not very relevant to your problem since your
car and battery were not cold. The difference between 650 and 680 Amps
is not relevant at all, there is no way on earth your car (or any other)
can take 650 Amps through it's wiring !!
The more relevant rating is the AmpereHour which should be around 88 for
your car = 88amps for 1 hour or 1 amp for 88 hours etc. Again not
critical but ballpark figure.
I have found Halfords are good when it comes to changing a battery
within warranty (usually 3 years) but I hope you have the receipt or you
may have problems.
Batteries usually fail most under two circumstances - when very cold or
when very hot. The first is obvious but if it's the second, which sounds
like the case maybe with yours, then it could indicate other problems.
The battery may have been "cooked" by a faulty regulator output from
your alternator.
If you have the receipt then just go to any Halfords, tell them "this is
knackered, I've had it tested" and they will give you a new one. Charge
it for at least a couple of hours before putting it in your car. Run the
car and check the voltage across the battery with a meter, it should be
around 13.8 volts at any revs and check it with the lights on too. You
should not the voltage above 14v at any time.
 
 

Paul 

'85 928S2 Turquoise 
'90 928GT Baltic Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Andy Brown
Sent: 04 August 2005 09:33
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


Hello All,
Rather a long story but here goes.
The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left
me stranded at the petrol station
after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life
in it though but just not enough to
crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after
fully charging the battery the previous
night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after
work it left me stuck at the petrol station.
I know that the car will start easily with a jump (first turn of the
key), so phoned a friend who came up to the
petrol station to help out. Well what a carry on, the jobsworths in the
station came out on mass and insisted
I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it
really. So in the end had to push it just out 
past the boundary of the station which resulted in it being
perpendicular across the middle of the road stopping all
the traffic. Anyway she started straight away and off I went (with a
queue of traffic in tow!).
Right getting to the point - the present battery was bought less than a
year ago from Halfords, told them what car it
was for and they looked up the battery (according to their computer). So
last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps.
Does anyone know what the correct rating should
be for an S4? Ok it could be a dead cell in the battery, but after
phoning Halfords they said the couldn't test it as they dont
have the diagnostic equipment anymore because their particular branch no
longer has a garage servicing section. 
So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed
and if it is knackered go back and complain.
But it is the difference in CCA rating that has me wondering if the
battery simply wasnt up to the task in the first place and
it wouldn't be the first time Halfords had their specs wrong on the
computer.
Anyone know the right rating and or recommend a good battery to be
using?
 
Cheers,
Andy
88 S4 Auto 
 
 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050804/b8da28ef/attachment-0001.html>

From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Fri Aug  5 04:53:55 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:53:55 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Short Shifter Kit
Message-ID: <200508050353.j753rtxA018093@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>


I just installed, in my manual S2, a short shifter kit from 928
International.  This is basically a new gear stick and 4 bushes.

The new gear stick is about 2" shorter than the old one.  The two
apertures for the linkage shafts at the bottom end of the gear
stick are further apart than the standard setup.  This gives more
leverage and a shorter throw.  I reckon about 50% less.

The GT had a similar change to its gear shift, but not quite as
aggressive as the one from 928 International.

It was a fair cow to fit.  Very fiddly.  But the results are quite
excellent.  Very happy.  It's so much easier to grab another gear 
if you need it in a hurry.

I also ripped out the two coil springs that load the gate.  Very
happy with that as well.  The gate has lost all its vagueness
(and fear of missing the change) on the down shift from 4th to 3rd.

The only down side is that one now has to take even more care when
the gear box is cold not to abuse the synchros.


-- 
Phil

Always and never are two words you should always remember never to use.
        -- Wendell Johnson (1906-1965), U.S. speech pathologist


From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Fri Aug  5 09:35:35 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:35:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems
References: <003101c598cf$1a7e6370$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
	<009501c59922$0eb35a20$7a3f86d9@w5n1r9>
Message-ID: <002901c59998$a65c9050$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hello Steve,
Returned the battery to Halfords last night and it was exchanged without question - it is an 010.
There was no question it was knackered as I attempted to charge it again after the incident at
the petrol station. Overnight 12Hours - still drawing 3Amps on bench charger next morning.
I would like to think that I've just ended up with a dodgy battery but I have a feeling I will be 
spending some time with a DVM pulling fuses over the weekend.

Cheers,
Andy
88 S4 Auto
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: steve MASTERMAN 
  To: Andy Brown 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems


  Hi Andy 

  The Halfords battery should be a 010 ,I have one on my 91 GT and the 650amp is cold cranking for 30 seconds which is the latest way of measuring a battery.
  I also work for Halfords and have fitted many 928 and 911 batteries over the last few years. I work in Poole Dorset if any help.

  P.S. any Halfords superstore should be able to test and change your battery.

  Steve 91GT  
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Andy Brown 
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:32 AM
    Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems


    Hello All,
    Rather a long story but here goes.
    The battery in my 928 appears to be shot - last night after work it left me stranded at the petrol station
    after stopping to fill up :- went to start it, no go, appears to be life in it though but just not enough to
    crank the engine over (just get the rapid clicking). This was after fully charging the battery the previous
    night then a trip to work and then after just managing to start it after work it left me stuck at the petrol station.
    I know that the car will start easily with a jump (first turn of the key), so phoned a friend who came up to the
    petrol station to help out. Well what a carry on, the jobsworths in the station came out on mass and insisted
    I couldnt jump it in the station and were being quite shitty about it really. So in the end had to push it just out 
    past the boundary of the station which resulted in it being perpendicular across the middle of the road stopping all
    the traffic. Anyway she started straight away and off I went (with a queue of traffic in tow!).
    Right getting to the point - the present battery was bought less than a year ago from Halfords, told them what car it
    was for and they looked up the battery (according to their computer). So last night I was checking the 'Cold Cranking Amp'
    rating on the battery - 650 amps, the old battery was rated at 680 amps. Does anyone know what the correct rating should
    be for an S4? Ok it could be a dead cell in the battery, but after phoning Halfords they said the couldn't test it as they dont
    have the diagnostic equipment anymore because their particular branch no longer has a garage servicing section. 
    So I will have to take it to a 'Quick Fit' centre to get that diagnosed and if it is knackered go back and complain.
    But it is the difference in CCA rating that has me wondering if the battery simply wasnt up to the task in the first place and
    it wouldn't be the first time Halfords had their specs wrong on the computer.
    Anyone know the right rating and or recommend a good battery to be using?

    Cheers,
    Andy
    88 S4 Auto 




----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    _______________________________________________
    928uk mailing list
    928uk at 928.org.uk
    http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
    928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050805/355a9d58/attachment-0001.html>

From angusf at mac.com  Fri Aug  5 10:32:28 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:32:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] RE: 928 s4 - stiff shocks
In-Reply-To: <415bcb88662da183c906ef17c3d6ba1e@www.928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <200508050932.j759WUFf000540@mac.com>

Hi chinedu,

You should join our mailing list - we talk about these things all the time -
see the 'mail list' menu on the home page 
I will forward your email to the list and people will reply to you.

Angus
--
This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
addressee.

If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your system
and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to it,
in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928.org.uk [mailto:angusf at 928.org.uk] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:20 AM
To: angusf at 928.org.uk
Subject: 928 s4

This is an enquiry e-mail from chinedu 
 
Hi,
i own a 1990 s4 in nigeria but we dont have the mechanics for the car and
luckily i saw your site and would wish to join.my main problem is that the
rear shocks are stiff,how do i adjust them to be softer? also at 3,000 rev
the whole car vibrates.i would appreciate any tips from you for i have grown
to love this car.
thanks
chinedu





From david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk  Fri Aug  5 20:09:48 2005
From: david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk (Dave Morgan)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:09:48 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
Message-ID: <200508051910.j75JAdH27014@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hello All,

 

My mate and I picked up and early 78 928 in white today from a farmer in
Lincolnshire. The car had the registration number NOW 928, which I am going
to transfer onto my 89 GT. One thing I noticed was that the car had one wing
mirror only. The owner said that this is how they were made initially and
imported from Porsche. Can anyone verify this? Incidentally, the plate was
initially owned by Porsche. Does anybody out there know anything about this
car?

 

Thanks,

 

Dave

 

89 GT Guards Red.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050805/45433538/attachment-0001.html>

From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug  5 21:28:04 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:28:04 +1200
Subject: [928uk] 928
In-Reply-To: <200508051910.j75JAdH27014@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDKEILCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Dave

The early cars -at least as far as '79 only had drivers side door mirrors.
Other than that I can't help.

Jon in NZ


  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Dave Morgan
  Sent: 06 August 2005 07:10
  To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk
  Subject: [928uk] 928


  Hello All,



  My mate and I picked up and early 78 928 in white today from a farmer in
Lincolnshire. The car had the registration number NOW 928, which I am going
to transfer onto my 89 GT. One thing I noticed was that the car had one wing
mirror only. The owner said that this is how they were made initially and
imported from Porsche. Can anyone verify this? Incidentally, the plate was
initially owned by Porsche. Does anybody out there know anything about this
car?



  Thanks,



  Dave



  89 GT Guards Red.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050806/aa537160/attachment-0001.html>

From info at jdsporsche.com  Fri Aug  5 21:33:23 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:33:23 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
References: <200508051910.j75JAdH27014@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003801c599fc$ed2c5100$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

My mate and I picked up and early 78 928 in white today from a farmer in Lincolnshire. The car had the registration number NOW 928, which I am going to transfer onto my 89 GT. One thing I noticed was that the car had one wing mirror only. The owner said that this is how they were made initially and imported from Porsche. Can anyone verify this? Incidentally, the plate was initially owned by Porsche. Does anybody out there know anything about this car?
   

  Thanks,

   

  Dave

   

  89 GT Guards Red.

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  Hi Dave,

  I did read somewhere that the passenger side mirror was an optional extra - maybe it became standard fitment later.



  Passenger side mirror is in the list of options codes.



  John



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050805/ad579f0c/attachment-0001.html>

From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Fri Aug  5 21:54:51 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:54:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
In-Reply-To: <200508051910.j75JAdH27014@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OFDABB0963.31B9526A-ON80257054.00726692-80257054.0072E2B2@rockwellcollins.com>

Hi Dave,

Following the 928 Record attempt in Holland the Porsche Club 928 Nederland 
sent a CD with all the photographs plus two DVDs. One was a video of the 
event (excellent by the way) and the other is the 'official' Porsche films 
of the 928 up to and including the S4, production line footage as well as 
promotional footage. On the first film I noticed that one of the 928s had 
only a drivers door mirror - looks like the one you have is pretty early, 
what is the VIN?

Cheers
Clive
'88 S4 Auto






"Dave Morgan" <david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk> 
Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
05/08/2005 20:09
Please respond to
david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk


To
"928uk at 928.Org.Uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
cc

Subject
[928uk] 928






Hello All,
 
My mate and I picked up and early 78 928 in white today from a farmer in 
Lincolnshire. The car had the registration number NOW 928, which I am 
going to transfer onto my 89 GT. One thing I noticed was that the car had 
one wing mirror only. The owner said that this is how they were made 
initially and imported from Porsche. Can anyone verify this? Incidentally, 
the plate was initially owned by Porsche. Does anybody out there know 
anything about this car?
 
Thanks,
 
Dave
 
89 GT Guards Red._______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050805/7a2fb98f/attachment-0001.html>

From mike at dawe.com  Fri Aug  5 23:50:00 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:50:00 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
In-Reply-To: <200508051910.j75JAdH27014@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFEEGICFAA.mike@dawe.com>

Sounds an interesting early one...Condition?.mileage? Auto? Seat trim! My
car is within the earliest ten cars on the 928 register and this is a year
earlier! Had it been standing for long and how well did it run?  kr Mike(T)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Dave Morgan
  Sent: 05 August 2005 20:10
  To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk
  Subject: [928uk] 928


  Hello All,



  My mate and I picked up and early 78 928 in white today from a farmer in
Lincolnshire. The car had the registration number NOW 928, which I am going
to transfer onto my 89 GT. One thing I noticed was that the car had one wing
mirror only. The owner said that this is how they were made initially and
imported from Porsche. Can anyone verify this? Incidentally, the plate was
initially owned by Porsche. Does anybody out there know anything about this
car?



  Thanks,



  Dave



  89 GT Guards Red.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050805/578c2ca6/attachment-0001.html>

From info at jdsporsche.com  Sat Aug  6 10:32:18 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:32:18 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
References: <200508052043.j75Kh6Vv024523@mailgate.razorgang.com>
Message-ID: <005301c59a69$c064c400$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

 
  Thanks for that, I first thought that it may have been knocked off by accident and that the door had been repaired. I inspected the area closely but could see no repair. Your suggestion would therefore make sense.

   

  Cheers, John,

   

  Dave 

   

  Guards red GT - going strong after some great tips from yourself earlier in the year.

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  Hi Dave,

  Glad you're enjoying your GT !   I agree with Jon that this "no mirror" seems to apply to the earlier cars. Porsche gradually made some of these extras standard items for a particular market code.



  I've not seen 928 NOW in any road test pics, but the car could well have been a demonstrator.



  Regards



  John

   


------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of JDSPorsche
  Sent: 05 August 2005 21:33
  To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] 928

   

  My mate and I picked up and early 78 928 in white today from a farmer in Lincolnshire. The car had the registration number NOW 928, which I am going to transfer onto my 89 GT. One thing I noticed was that the car had one wing mirror only. The owner said that this is how they were made initially and imported from Porsche. Can anyone verify this? Incidentally, the plate was initially owned by Porsche. Does anybody out there know anything about this car?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Dave

     

    89 GT Guards Red.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

    Hi Dave,

    I did read somewhere that the passenger side mirror was an optional extra - maybe it became standard fitment later.

     

    Passenger side mirror is in the list of options codes.

     

    John


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    _______________________________________________
    928uk mailing list
    928uk at 928.org.uk
    http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
    928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050806/83449d32/attachment-0001.html>

From drnagwagner at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  6 14:00:17 2005
From: drnagwagner at hotmail.com (dr. nag wagner)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:00:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928SF
Message-ID: <BAY101-F276DF1B05568235D2ADFBDB9C60@phx.gbl>

Some of us in the psychiatric department of the West Middlesex Hospital used 
to lunch at the Rising Sun opposite AFN in the late 70s early 80s and I 
remember coming out one afternoon to see a gorgeous 928S reg 928SF parked 
outside. One of the secretaries came over with me to have a look and made a 
mental note to one day have that car. Mrs Wagner fulfilled her dream getting 
on for 20 years later with an identical wine red, berber upholstered, auto 
928S that had first been registered 928 TTE - next best thing I suppose. We 
often wonder what happened to the car we saw that day (and who was SF?). 928 
SF later disappeared from AFN cars to become THE928S. One of my patients 
developed psychotic delusions about being followed around Isleworth by a 928 
but that's another story.
Nick




From info at jdsporsche.com  Sat Aug  6 14:23:12 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:23:12 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928SF
References: <BAY101-F276DF1B05568235D2ADFBDB9C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b401c59a89$ff034a90$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dr. nag wagner" <drnagwagner at hotmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: [928uk] 928SF


> Some of us in the psychiatric department of the West Middlesex Hospital 
> used to lunch at the Rising Sun opposite AFN in the late 70s early 80s and 
> I remember coming out one afternoon to see a gorgeous 928S reg 928SF 
> parked outside. One of the secretaries came over with me to have a look 
> and made a mental note to one day have that car. Mrs Wagner fulfilled her 
> dream getting on for 20 years later with an identical wine red, berber 
> upholstered, auto 928S that had first been registered 928 TTE - next best 
> thing I suppose. We often wonder what happened to the car we saw that day 
> (and who was SF?). 928 SF later disappeared from AFN cars to become 
> THE928S. One of my patients developed psychotic delusions about being 
> followed around Isleworth by a 928 but that's another story.
> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good memories, Nick !   928 TTE was certainly a well known registration...

John




From roy at rcscon.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Aug  6 15:54:23 2005
From: roy at rcscon.freeserve.co.uk (RCS)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:54:23 +0100
Subject: [928uk] The 928S
Message-ID: <000f01c59a96$bc85e2b0$0a00a8c0@rcsb7nivhz5rwf>

THE 928S

This number plate takes me back some 20 years when I lived in Reading and went to a keep fit evening (much fitter then). One of the other members was the works manager for Porsche and arrived to the evenings in this very car. Said it was the factory car and used for journalists to play with. For over 2 years I watched all sorts of Porsche models turn up - very mouth watering. Who owns this car now ?

Roy Tabb
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050806/bdb820a7/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 04/08/2005

From Carrmix at aol.com  Sat Aug  6 17:33:12 2005
From: Carrmix at aol.com (Carrmix at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:33:12 EDT
Subject: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror
Message-ID: <f7.55ffddf5.30264048@aol.com>

Dave
 
the son of the soil is correct, i can remember in the late 70s (just a  
school boy) cars being advertised with a PDM, i had worked out most of the  
abbreviations - AC SR FPSH, etc. , etc. but had to pluck up courage and phone a  
dealer. PDM was indeed a passenger door mirror, and quite a costly option  as 
well. this was not just on 928s but 911s 924s, etc.
 
regards
 
Adam 85 S2
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050806/58f7a46b/attachment-0001.html>

From roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Aug  6 17:51:49 2005
From: roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk (Nadeem Arshad)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:51:49 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928SF
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F276DF1B05568235D2ADFBDB9C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <LGEEJAKAHOKCLJIKLJDPIEOHCCAA.roger@la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk>

928SF was the original regisration of my Black '90 GT back in 1st Aug 1990.
What a small world!!!

Rgds,

Nadeem
'90 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of dr. nag wagner
Sent: 06 August 2005 14:00
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928SF


Some of us in the psychiatric department of the West Middlesex Hospital used
to lunch at the Rising Sun opposite AFN in the late 70s early 80s and I
remember coming out one afternoon to see a gorgeous 928S reg 928SF parked
outside. One of the secretaries came over with me to have a look and made a
mental note to one day have that car. Mrs Wagner fulfilled her dream getting
on for 20 years later with an identical wine red, berber upholstered, auto
928S that had first been registered 928 TTE - next best thing I suppose. We
often wonder what happened to the car we saw that day (and who was SF?). 928
SF later disappeared from AFN cars to become THE928S. One of my patients
developed psychotic delusions about being followed around Isleworth by a 928
but that's another story.
Nick


_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk





From info at jdsporsche.com  Sat Aug  6 18:01:16 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:01:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror
References: <f7.55ffddf5.30264048@aol.com>
Message-ID: <011801c59aa8$761f4070$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

the son of the soil is correct, i can remember in the late 70s (just a school boy) cars being advertised with a PDM, i had worked out most of the abbreviations - AC SR FPSH, etc. , etc. but had to pluck up courage and phone a dealer. PDM was indeed a passenger door mirror, and quite a costly option as well. this was not just on 928s but 911s 924s, etc.

  regards

  Adam 85 S2
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  Hi Adam,

  I just looked at the build tag for my '86 S2 and it has option 264 which is passenger side mirror, so this was an option at that time. Another way of extracting a few more pounds from he customer...

  Did it ever become standard fitment as I originally thought ?

  John
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050806/16a8831d/attachment-0001.html>

From marcus at randle.org  Sat Aug  6 18:43:02 2005
From: marcus at randle.org (Marcus Randle)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:43:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] The 928S
In-Reply-To: <000f01c59a96$bc85e2b0$0a00a8c0@rcsb7nivhz5rwf>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAQPsvf4zUe02cNoS4suQ1GQEAQ0pwornp7EeFKHH4/2J/LQAAACZ8mQAAEAAAAKIdbUX8y5hGtY2/QOiEtBwBAAAAAA==@randle.org>

No longer seems to be on the HPI database, which sadly, I think, means it
has lapsed.

Wonder if DVLA would sell ones that have lapsed?

 

Marcus

 

  _____  

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of RCS
Sent: 06 August 2005 15:54
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] The 928S

 

THE 928S

 

This number plate takes me back some 20 years when I lived in Reading and
went to a keep fit evening (much fitter then). One of the other members was
the works manager for Porsche and arrived to the evenings in this very car.
Said it was the factory car and used for journalists to play with. For over
2 years I watched all sorts of Porsche models turn up - very mouth watering.
Who owns this car now ?

 

Roy Tabb

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050806/23837416/attachment-0001.html>

From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  6 21:10:58 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 20:10:58 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928SF
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F276DF1B05568235D2ADFBDB9C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F2676AF0601FCD63404D91FFAC60@phx.gbl>

My GT had 928TTE on it when she was new.


Stuart

>From: "dr. nag wagner" <drnagwagner at hotmail.com>
>To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: [928uk] 928SF
>Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:00:17 +0100
>
>Some of us in the psychiatric department of the West Middlesex Hospital 
>used to lunch at the Rising Sun opposite AFN in the late 70s early 80s and 
>I remember coming out one afternoon to see a gorgeous 928S reg 928SF parked 
>outside. One of the secretaries came over with me to have a look and made a 
>mental note to one day have that car. Mrs Wagner fulfilled her dream 
>getting on for 20 years later with an identical wine red, berber 
>upholstered, auto 928S that had first been registered 928 TTE - next best 
>thing I suppose. We often wonder what happened to the car we saw that day 
>(and who was SF?). 928 SF later disappeared from AFN cars to become 
>THE928S. One of my patients developed psychotic delusions about being 
>followed around Isleworth by a 928 but that's another story.
>Nick
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk




From mike at dawe.com  Sun Aug  7 00:48:24 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:48:24 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror
In-Reply-To: <f7.55ffddf5.30264048@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFOEGLCFAA.mike@dawe.com>

A test in Car and Driver,April 1978,indicates a total cost of a 928 as
$26,240....being $26,000 for the car,dealer prep.$150,and a right side
mirror at $90 ! KR Mike(T)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Carrmix at aol.com
  Sent: 06 August 2005 17:33
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror


  Dave

  the son of the soil is correct, i can remember in the late 70s (just a
school boy) cars being advertised with a PDM, i had worked out most of the
abbreviations - AC SR FPSH, etc. , etc. but had to pluck up courage and
phone a dealer. PDM was indeed a passenger door mirror, and quite a costly
option as well. this was not just on 928s but 911s 924s, etc.

  regards

  Adam 85 S2
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050807/7b52b9fb/attachment-0001.html>

From paul at psbservices.co.uk  Sun Aug  7 08:56:52 2005
From: paul at psbservices.co.uk (Paul Bird)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:56:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] The 928S
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAQPsvf4zUe02cNoS4suQ1GQEAQ0pwornp7EeFKHH4/2J/LQAAACZ8mQAAEAAAAKIdbUX8y5hGtY2/QOiEtBwBAAAAAA==@randle.org>
Message-ID: <004001c59b25$928e6d30$6400a8c0@paul3f8712e242>

Hi Marcus

DVLA will not normally sell regn numbers that have lapsed as I found out when trying to re-unite my car with its original registration.
But if you can prove an entitlement to the registration with HPI, Porsche Reading history, old photo's etc you can formally request the registration number is re-issued to your car.
Worked for me and the best part is that there was no charge - just cost me a new set of number plates.

Regards

Paul (PSB)
86 S2
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marcus Randle 
  To: 'RCS' ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:43 PM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] The 928S


  No longer seems to be on the HPI database, which sadly, I think, means it has lapsed.

  Wonder if DVLA would sell ones that have lapsed?

   

  Marcus

   


------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of RCS
  Sent: 06 August 2005 15:54
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] The 928S

   

  THE 928S

   

  This number plate takes me back some 20 years when I lived in Reading and went to a keep fit evening (much fitter then). One of the other members was the works manager for Porsche and arrived to the evenings in this very car. Said it was the factory car and used for journalists to play with. For over 2 years I watched all sorts of Porsche models turn up - very mouth watering. Who owns this car now ?

   

  Roy Tabb



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050807/ba96149f/attachment-0001.html>

From jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Aug  7 10:07:27 2005
From: jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk (jeff928se at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:07:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] The 928S
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAQPsvf4zUe02cNoS4suQ1GQEAQ0pwornp7EeFKHH4/2J/LQAAACZ8mQAAEAAAAKIdbUX8y5hGtY2/QOiEtBwBAAAAAA==@randle.org>
Message-ID: <42E8ADED00033A46@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>


i believe this plate was owned by porsche gb and was used for all the press
demonstrators at the time.i have several articles from the late eighties
where this plate figures on the se demonstrator .It may be worth getting
in touch with porsche gb headquarters to find out whether they still own
the plate. regards jeff88se

___________________________________________________________

Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005.
Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/
Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/




From owen928_4 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  7 14:51:44 2005
From: owen928_4 at hotmail.com (OWEN GUPPY)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:51:44 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S4 for sale again - but good news too!
Message-ID: <BAY101-F4E57B8A5BC2F824A1086F84B90@phx.gbl>

Hi to all

Well sadly you'll be seeing my car re-appearing on the site soon - my wife 
and I have just learned we are expecting our first child, which I am 
delighted about.
Not so delighted about selling my pride & joy though, but I think it's best 
to get practical for a few years - I can always buy a late GTS in 5 -7 years 
time.

So in advance of the ad, anyone after a really good '91 S4 is welcome to 
mail me.

Cheers


Owen

_________________________________________________________________
Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now!  
http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/



From corinnepage at btopenworld.com  Sun Aug  7 15:36:51 2005
From: corinnepage at btopenworld.com (Corinne Page)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:36:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 for sale again - but good news too!
References: <BAY101-F4E57B8A5BC2F824A1086F84B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c59b5d$737c0aa0$2f947ad5@corinnehome>

Hi Owen

Congratulations and commiserations!  We seem to be running vaguely in parallel - I think you and I joined the list around the same time with our new "babies".  I sold the GT really quickly in June without advertising, as someone on the list wanted to upgrade from his S2 - hope you find it as easy as I did.  Like you, I'm thinking GTS... maybe...when I can face it!!  928 ownership isn't exactly easy, but very rewarding in the long run.

Good luck and best wishes
Corinne
ex-91 GT (on my way down under at the end of the month)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: OWEN GUPPY 
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [928uk] S4 for sale again - but good news too!


Hi to all

Well sadly you'll be seeing my car re-appearing on the site soon - my wife 
and I have just learned we are expecting our first child, which I am 
delighted about.
Not so delighted about selling my pride & joy though, but I think it's best 
to get practical for a few years - I can always buy a late GTS in 5 -7 years 
time.

So in advance of the ad, anyone after a really good '91 S4 is welcome to 
mail me.

Cheers

Owen
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050807/7b6ee247/attachment-0001.html>

From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Sun Aug  7 16:06:49 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:06:49 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Sunday 31st July at Silverstone
Message-ID: <003d01c59b65$aa63da40$02000003@oemcomputer>

I went to the "Historic Classic" race meeting at Silverstone last Sunday
and spotted 2 other 928's there.

One was a Dark Blue GTS manual with grey interior and an L reg plate
parked behind the start/finish line grandstand.

The other was a Green/Grey lhd GT parked on the perimeter road next to
the banking at Maggots.

Anyone on the list ??

My Midnight Blue GTS Auto was parked in the PCGB display area inside the
race track.

George.



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 04/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Sun Aug  7 16:17:57 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:17:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Herts meet
References: <BAY104-F40508839CBCB31D4ACE9686CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004001c59b65$ae72f9e0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi David.

Any further developments on this meet up ??

I'm now going to be doing a photo shoot for GT & Purely Porsche on the
10th at Bruntingthorpe, but if it's an afternoon or evening event I
would most likely be able to make it on the way home.  It would make it
a truly 928 day out :0)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David McLoughlin
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 27 July 2005 12:40
  Subject: [928uk] Herts meet


  Gonna ring round a few pubs in the area & sort out a date for this.
Seems
  like most of you are up for this.
  Open to anybody who wants to come of course.
  How does Wednesday 10th August sound?
  As soon as we're happy with a date , I'll confirm the venue.
  Dave Mac. Silver & black S4.




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 04/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Sun Aug  7 17:06:37 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:06:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fw: [abdml] Appeal lost for castle Combe
Message-ID: <017701c59b6c$229cc5c0$02000003@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Botterill
To: Abdml
Sent: 31 July 2005 22:41
Subject: [abdml] Appeal lost for castle Combe


A few people made postings about the threat against Castle Combes motor
racings
future due to a few newcomers complaints.

Well, the newcomers won & Castle Combe will probably lose 2 events a
year. Not a
problem ???....except that these are the events the big crowds go to and
generate income for the circuit and local economy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/4721081.stm

Nimby's rule OK ?

Regards

David




* Any views expressed in this message are those of the originator
and do not necessarily represent the views of the ABD *

* Please note that abdml is designed for discussion of issues relevant
to the ABD, while general motoring discussion should take place on
abdchat - thanks! *



SPONSORED LINKS Abd  Travel  Recreation
      Outdoor recreation  Recreation software  Sports


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

  a..  Visit your group "abdml" on the web.

  b..  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
   abdml-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com

  c..  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------




------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------


No virus found in this incoming message for George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 04/08/2005



From marton at befree.ch  Sun Aug  7 23:35:00 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:35:00 +0200
Subject: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror
References: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFOEGLCFAA.mike@dawe.com>
Message-ID: <17d501c59ba0$41321100$6501a8c0@simone>

I get between 3 and 5 copies o every 928 uk email, am I just lucky or is this for everyone?

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Dawe 
  To: Carrmix at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror


  A test in Car and Driver,April 1978,indicates a total cost of a 928 as $26,240....being $26,000 for the car,dealer prep.$150,and a right side mirror at $90 ! KR Mike(T)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Carrmix at aol.com
    Sent: 06 August 2005 17:33
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror


    Dave

    the son of the soil is correct, i can remember in the late 70s (just a school boy) cars being advertised with a PDM, i had worked out most of the abbreviations - AC SR FPSH, etc. , etc. but had to pluck up courage and phone a dealer. PDM was indeed a passenger door mirror, and quite a costly option as well. this was not just on 928s but 911s 924s, etc.

    regards

    Adam 85 S2


------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  No virus found in this incoming message.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 03.08.05
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050808/a47b4c31/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 04.08.05

From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Aug  8 05:05:31 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 04:05:31 GMT
Subject: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror
Message-ID: <20050808040531.0AEC6606E64@viper.snap.net.nz>

I had noticed the opposite. It used to be that when someone did a "reply 
all" and left my address as well as the group's address, I would get it 
twice, now I only ever seen to get them once.

Smiffy

> I get between 3 and 5 copies o every 928 uk email, am I just lucky or is
> this for everyone?
> 
> Marton
>



From kcuf at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  8 09:46:58 2005
From: kcuf at btinternet.com (CAMPBELL SOUTER)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:46:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] Herts Meet
Message-ID: <20050808084658.67269.qmail@web86111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I would love to bring my not used enough s2. Count me in please
 
Tam
86 s2 manual
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050808/e29ff558/attachment-0001.html>

From richard.dennys at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 09:46:43 2005
From: richard.dennys at gmail.com (Richard Dennys)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:46:43 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Report from 928 Heaven (aka SW France)
Message-ID: <c5a78623050808014628846039@mail.gmail.com>

So it's been ten days since I took possession of my 1991 S4. Feel
slightly guilty that I have already added about 5k km to its initial
low 65k km getting it down to this heavenly corner of France. Even
though Angus had written on the site about the great condition of the
car and Kian (previous owner) had been so helpful getting to me that
way, it was still a slight risk, which I am pleased to report was well
worth taking! Not a problem to report as yet, except for a tinny
rattle from the RMB or one of its mountings on revving the engine
(even slightly) but I will get the local garage to take a look. Sat
Nav/Radio (Becker 7945) was installed perfectly by South West Audio
and it already proving its worth every penny having got me 'unlost'
several times..

For any LHD owners on the list, you will no doubt be aware of the
glory of driving in Europe and the feeling of utter liberation when
the roads are clear, the sky is blue and every time you stop someone
comes up and either asks a question or makes a compliment about your
car. I can't believe we put up with so much grief in the UK with
congested roads, bad weather, speed cameras, and ridiculous fuel
prices. Three days ago I went out for a pint of milk at 10 in the
morning and just couldnt stop driving - I went about 60 miles up to
Angouleme and back and only saw 10 other cars on the whole journey! My
wife wondered what had happened and I think only half believed me when
I told her where I had been...

(Having said that, I have seen the immediate aftermath of TWO
non-fatal but pretty nasty accidents, one a Espace in a
multi-rollover, both on back country roads! Everyone in France seems
to be on holiday and has the 'relaxed' driving attitude to match..)

So I just wanted to post this, amongst all the technical e-mails and
requests for help that sometimes make it feel as though 928s are
wrought with problems. I am sure soon enough I will along with similar
questions, but for now my car is performing brilliantly and just soars
along as it transports one very happy new 928 driver along the
verdant, undulating countryside of the Sud-Charente.

Richard

'91 S4 - Polar Silver LHD


From kal at funkychimp.com  Mon Aug  8 09:51:37 2005
From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:51:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] [Fwd: Wing Mirror]
Message-ID: <42F71D19.7010908@funkychimp.com>



help, the guy doing the bodywork on my '89 S4 has just phoned me to ask 
how the hell the door mirror comes off, he's got it off the door but 
says the electrical connector won't come through the hole, i'm sure this 
has come up before but i've been on the nicols and landsharkoz sites and 
can't find anything, can sombody point me in the right direction please?

regards

kal





From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Aug  8 09:54:03 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:54:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Multiple Emails
In-Reply-To: <20050808040531.0AEC6606E64@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <OF46C98CBB.A06F88BD-ON80257057.003088C8-80257057.0030E4DF@rockwellcollins.com>

I get two of everything but notice when I reply it adds 
928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk as well.
However, I am willing to accept that I probably screwed something up when 
signing onto the list. :o)

Cheers
Clive 
'88 S4 Auto




smiffypr at snap.net.nz 
Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
08/08/2005 05:05

To
<928uk at 928.org.uk>
cc

Subject
Re: [928uk] 928 pasenger door mirror






I had noticed the opposite. It used to be that when someone did a "reply 
all" and left my address as well as the group's address, I would get it 
twice, now I only ever seen to get them once.

Smiffy

> I get between 3 and 5 copies o every 928 uk email, am I just lucky or is
> this for everyone?
> 
> Marton
>

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050808/28964a1f/attachment-0001.html>

From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Mon Aug  8 10:49:27 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:49:27 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Report from 928 Heaven (aka SW France)
References: <c5a78623050808014628846039@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c59bfe$77f153f0$025b48c3@XJDW>

  Hi Richard,

  I feel exactly the same way when i take my S2 fro a drive to the seaside
here in Belgium. I usually come across another fast car to play with. It's
absolutely great, i'm always sorry to hear about the problems driving in the
UK, even though you have to be careful for speed cameras everywhere these
days (except maybe in Germany).

  Lets just keep enjoying our cars!

  Cheers,
  Jerry

  1985S2 (256000km with now slightly troubled MAF i think (John, i haven't
had the time to take it out yet))
  1980R





From mike at dawe.com  Mon Aug  8 11:27:08 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:27:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: spotted M4 2nd try!(for Marton)
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFCEGPCFAA.mike@dawe.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
Sent: 07 August 2005 23:25
To: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
Subject: spotted M4


Saturday evening on the M4 near Briton Ferry,Dave Morgan and I were
proceeding westwards in his nice red GT when we spotted another red GT going
east.Dave identified a colour coded rear wing.....anyone on list? While on
list,can I say what fun it was to see three 928s racing at
CC.....particularly enjoyed the margin of Paul's car over the Ferrari
Daytona.......bloody hell, a half hour race is a long time in older cars (a
test of man and machine).....and then they stopped another race after five
laps(out of ten) for a non-injurious accident. Many competitors,and
spectators felt diddled....touch of the Max Moseley's there!  kr Mike(T)



From pagnobito at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  8 12:05:29 2005
From: pagnobito at hotmail.com (Michael Parris)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:05:29 +0100
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
In-Reply-To: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFCEGPCFAA.mike@dawe.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F20F96FF78EC37CA4E92555A8B80@phx.gbl>

Last Thursday I think, spotted a red 928S on a A plate on the anti clock M25 
near M3 turn Junc 12.
Must have thought I was a bit of nutter in a Leon, trying to grab the 
attention of the driver, in stop start traffic, I would pass he would pass, 
eventually managed to shout nice car, for the return of a smile.
I am waiting for someone to spot me, I did a few miles on Saturday, and then 
Sunday although less likely to get a spot as it was about 5am.  i wished I 
had my camera as there was some lovely misty fields.

I took it to get the front wheels balanced on Saturday, but was advised to 
get the tyres replaced as they are perishing at the edges, but they couldn't 
get the wheels off as the locking nut is corroded and jammed and it seems 
that at least one of the other bolts has been knackered by the use of an 
airgun.   I am now trying to think of a way to get the wheels off and 
replace bolts as required. :(

Mike
89 S4 in (night? green) fearing a puncture.




From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Mon Aug  8 12:16:56 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:16:56 +0200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <BAY101-F20F96FF78EC37CA4E92555A8B80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a801c59c0a$b07cebb0$025b48c3@XJDW>

  Hi Mike,

  I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a smaller size
wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the silly
lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.

  Cheers and good luck.

  Jerry

  1985S2
  1980R


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Michael Parris" <pagnobito at hotmail.com>
  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:05 PM
  Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


  > Last Thursday I think, spotted a red 928S on a A plate on the anti clock
M25
  > near M3 turn Junc 12.
  > Must have thought I was a bit of nutter in a Leon, trying to grab the
  > attention of the driver, in stop start traffic, I would pass he would
pass,
  > eventually managed to shout nice car, for the return of a smile.
  > I am waiting for someone to spot me, I did a few miles on Saturday, and
then
  > Sunday although less likely to get a spot as it was about 5am.  i wished
I
  > had my camera as there was some lovely misty fields.
  >
  > I took it to get the front wheels balanced on Saturday, but was advised
to
  > get the tyres replaced as they are perishing at the edges, but they
couldn't
  > get the wheels off as the locking nut is corroded and jammed and it
seems
  > that at least one of the other bolts has been knackered by the use of an
  > airgun.   I am now trying to think of a way to get the wheels off and
  > replace bolts as required. :(
  >
  > Mike
  > 89 S4 in (night? green) fearing a puncture.
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk
  >





From david_daytona at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  8 13:21:59 2005
From: david_daytona at hotmail.com (David McLoughlin)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:21:59 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Herts meet this Wednesday.
Message-ID: <BAY104-F13F37602AF4331F0CAFF2786B80@phx.gbl>

Hi Folks, sorry it's taken so long to sort out, just been a bit busy.
The venue is: The Three Horseshoes pub,
                    Hooks Cross,
                    Watton at Stone,
                    Hertford,
                    Herts.
                    SG14 3RY
The pub is on the A602 between Stevenage & Ware.
If you're comming from the A1M you need to get off at junction 7 then take 
the A602 for Hertford.
you will go all the way through Stevenage, you will eventually come to a Van 
Hagues garden centre on the right, next will be the Chequers pub on the 
right, then about 1/2 a mile later on the right will be The Three Horse 
Shoes.
>From the A10 take the Stevenage junction, this will be the A602 also. Hooks 
Cross isn't sign posted until the last minute so keep yer eyes peeled.
Hooks Cross is the last small village on the A602 before Stevenage.
The pub serves good food, has a large garden, & a large car park. I'll be 
there from 7pm.
Hopefully if theres enough intrest we can make it a monthly.
See you there.
Dave Mac.

_________________________________________________________________
Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now!  
http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Mon Aug  8 11:25:40 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:25:40 +1200
Subject: [928uk] [Fwd: Wing Mirror]
References: <42F71D19.7010908@funkychimp.com>
Message-ID: <002801c59c03$870e3f60$0b667cca@computername>

Page 66-14 of the workshop manual:

"press out wires" (from connector) "with an extraction tool and pull out wire harness".

Without the "extractor" you need to bush in the tangs which stop the pins from falling out
of the connector, so they can be pulled through. Make a note of which wire goes where
first.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kal" <kal at funkychimp.com>
To: "928 List" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:51 PM
Subject: [928uk] [Fwd: Wing Mirror]


>
>
> help, the guy doing the bodywork on my '89 S4 has just phoned me to ask how the hell the 
> door mirror comes off, he's got it off the door but says the electrical connector won't 
> come through the hole, i'm sure this has come up before but i've been on the nicols and 
> landsharkoz sites and can't find anything, can sombody point me in the right direction 
> please?
>
> regards
>
> kal
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 



From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Aug  8 18:13:28 2005
From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:13:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Herts meet this Wednesday.
References: <BAY104-F13F37602AF4331F0CAFF2786B80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001b01c59c3c$92bf2b60$5aa7193e@dan>

Just to remind all you Hertfordshire "types" that we have the dedicated 928
evening coming up on 06 September at J Z Machtech in Kings Langley. Mail me
if you need any further info or directions. Alan 19990 S4 auto

----- Original Message -----
From: "David McLoughlin" <david_daytona at hotmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: [928uk] Herts meet this Wednesday.


> Hi Folks, sorry it's taken so long to sort out, just been a bit busy.
> The venue is: The Three Horseshoes pub,
>                     Hooks Cross,
>                     Watton at Stone,
>                     Hertford,
>                     Herts.
>                     SG14 3RY
> The pub is on the A602 between Stevenage & Ware.
> If you're comming from the A1M you need to get off at junction 7 then take
> the A602 for Hertford.
> you will go all the way through Stevenage, you will eventually come to a
Van
> Hagues garden centre on the right, next will be the Chequers pub on the
> right, then about 1/2 a mile later on the right will be The Three Horse
> Shoes.
> >From the A10 take the Stevenage junction, this will be the A602 also.
Hooks
> Cross isn't sign posted until the last minute so keep yer eyes peeled.
> Hooks Cross is the last small village on the A602 before Stevenage.
> The pub serves good food, has a large garden, & a large car park. I'll be
> there from 7pm.
> Hopefully if theres enough intrest we can make it a monthly.
> See you there.
> Dave Mac.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now!
> http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>



From richarddorman250 at msn.com  Mon Aug  8 19:26:31 2005
From: richarddorman250 at msn.com (RICHARD DORMAN)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:26:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] H.T LEADS FOR 928 S4
Message-ID: <BAY105-F26E359D6E6DF3A56B5820E8EB80@phx.gbl>

Hello

My name is Richard i have a 928 S4 1987 dark blue i priced the H.T leads 
with german Swedish french and they were the guts of ?200 so does anyone no 
were i can buy them cheaper

Thanks

Richard

_________________________________________________________________
Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! 
http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug  9 03:05:13 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 02:05:13 GMT
Subject: [928uk] FW: spotted M4 2nd try!(for Marton)
Message-ID: <20050809020512.94FF267FADB@viper.snap.net.nz>

The main reason for stopping a race is because the wreckage is a danger to 
anyone else who comes off at the same place, nothing to do with whether 
anyone is injured. Second reason is that at many tracks, the recovery 
truck or ambulance has to drive on the track to get to the incident.

Smiffy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
> Sent: 07 August 2005 23:25
> To: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
> Subject: spotted M4
> 
> and then they stopped another race after five
> laps(out of ten) for a non-injurious accident. Many competitors,and
> spectators felt diddled....touch of the Max Moseley's there!  kr Mike(T)
> 




From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug  9 03:07:41 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 02:07:41 GMT
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
Message-ID: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz>

I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy nuts are very 
clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded steel nut 
onto the studs.

Smiffy

>   Hi Mike,
> 
>   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a smaller size
> wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the silly
> lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
> 
>   Cheers and good luck.
> 
>   Jerry
> 
>   1985S2
>   1980R




From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Tue Aug  9 07:43:40 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:43:40 +0200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW>

  Hi Smiffy,

  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to continuously
take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get damaged very
easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a difference anyway on
a car that weighs over 1300kg.

  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English lets me down
again).

  Cheers,
  Jerry

  1980R
  1985S2


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy nuts are very
  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded steel nut
  > onto the studs.
  >
  > Smiffy
  >
  > >   Hi Mike,
  > >
  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a smaller
size
  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the silly
  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
  > >
  > >   Cheers and good luck.
  > >
  > >   Jerry
  > >
  > >   1985S2
  > >   1980R
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk
  >





From marton at befree.ch  Tue Aug  9 12:13:28 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:13:28 +0200
Subject: [928uk] FW: spotted M4 2nd try!(for Marton)
References: <20050809020512.94FF267FADB@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <001501c59cd3$5ef6eb00$6401a8c0@simone>

flattrered that you included me in the subject, do you have your random
subject generator switched on?

----- Original Message -----
From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] FW: spotted M4 2nd try!(for Marton)


> The main reason for stopping a race is because the wreckage is a danger to
> anyone else who comes off at the same place, nothing to do with whether
> anyone is injured. Second reason is that at many tracks, the recovery
> truck or ambulance has to drive on the track to get to the incident.
>
> Smiffy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com]
> > Sent: 07 August 2005 23:25
> > To: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
> > Subject: spotted M4
> >
> > and then they stopped another race after five
> > laps(out of ten) for a non-injurious accident. Many competitors,and
> > spectators felt diddled....touch of the Max Moseley's there!  kr Mike(T)
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 09.08.05
>
>



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 09.08.05



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug  9 12:20:44 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:20:44 +1200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz>
	<001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW>
Message-ID: <010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername>

"Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up when it is screwed on, so as 
it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the threads are damaged.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


>  Hi Smiffy,
>
>  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to continuously
> take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get damaged very
> easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a difference anyway on
> a car that weighs over 1300kg.
>
>  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English lets me down
> again).
>
>  Cheers,
>  Jerry
>
>  1980R
>  1985S2
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>
>
>  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy nuts are very
>  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded steel nut
>  > onto the studs.
>  >
>  > Smiffy
>  >
>  > >   Hi Mike,
>  > >
>  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a smaller
> size
>  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the silly
>  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
>  > >
>  > >   Cheers and good luck.
>  > >
>  > >   Jerry
>  > >
>  > >   1985S2
>  > >   1980R
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > 928uk mailing list
>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  > 928.org.uk
>  >
>
>
>
> 



From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Tue Aug  9 12:38:45 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:38:45 +0200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz><001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW>

  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier to
cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?

  Cheers,
  Jerry


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up when it is
screwed on, so as
  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the threads are
damaged.
  >
  > Smiffy
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  >
  >
  > >  Hi Smiffy,
  > >
  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
continuously
  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get damaged
very
  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a difference
anyway on
  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
  > >
  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English lets me
down
  > > again).
  > >
  > >  Cheers,
  > >  Jerry
  > >
  > >  1980R
  > >  1985S2
  > >
  > >
  > >  ----- Original Message -----
  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >
  > >
  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy nuts are
very
  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded steel
nut
  > >  > onto the studs.
  > >  >
  > >  > Smiffy
  > >  >
  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
  > >  > >
  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a
smaller
  > > size
  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the silly
  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
  > >  > >
  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
  > >  > >
  > >  > >   Jerry
  > >  > >
  > >  > >   1985S2
  > >  > >   1980R
  > >  >
  > >  >
  > >  > _______________________________________________
  > >  > 928uk mailing list
  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > >  > 928.org.uk
  > >  >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk
  >





From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug  9 12:47:49 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:47:49 +1200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz><001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername>
	<007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW>
Message-ID: <011401c59cd8$2b88ecf0$62667cca@computername>

There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to get different nuts on 
straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to force it on if its not 
straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it just needs to be 
replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also be damaged.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


>  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier to
> cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
>
>  Cheers,
>  Jerry
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>
>
>  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up when it is
> screwed on, so as
>  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the threads are
> damaged.
>  >
>  > Smiffy
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>  >
>  >
>  > >  Hi Smiffy,
>  > >
>  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
> continuously
>  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get damaged
> very
>  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a difference
> anyway on
>  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
>  > >
>  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English lets me
> down
>  > > again).
>  > >
>  > >  Cheers,
>  > >  Jerry
>  > >
>  > >  1980R
>  > >  1985S2
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
>  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy nuts are
> very
>  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded steel
> nut
>  > >  > onto the studs.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Smiffy
>  > >  >
>  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a
> smaller
>  > > size
>  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the silly
>  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >   Jerry
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >   1985S2
>  > >  > >   1980R
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > _______________________________________________
>  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  > >  > 928.org.uk
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > 928uk mailing list
>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  > 928.org.uk
>  >
>
>
>
> 



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Tue Aug  9 12:01:11 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:01:11 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Rear Light Units
Message-ID: <009701c59cd9$69eb6d00$02000003@oemcomputer>

A question for all you S4/GT/SE/GTS owners who have ever removed and
inspected you rear light units:

On the top side of each of the units on my GTS there are two black
(plastic ?) spring strips, approx. 1 inch by 3/4 inch.  These lightly
press against the top of the opening in the rear PU when the units are
in place.

There are no such spring strips on the bottom of the light units - and I
have a suspicion that there should be !!

Can anyone confirm that they do have lower strips on their light units
??

When I was giving my 928 a thorough clean recently I noticed that the
light units sit in the bottom of the opening in the PU - not in the
centre.  If the light units are sitting lower in the openings than they
should, it would explain why water gets trapped in that area when I wash
the car :0(

Cheers,

George



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 04/08/2005



From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Tue Aug  9 13:05:00 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:05:00 +0200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz><001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW><010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername><007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<011401c59cd8$2b88ecf0$62667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <009001c59cda$9178bde0$025b48c3@XJDW>

  What i've found with Alloy ones is that the hexagon gets out of shape
after a while (especially with older ones). A steel nut gives me more
confidence if i'm required to change it a lot.
  Haven't had any problems with cross threading yet.

  Cheers,
  Jerry



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


  > There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to get
different nuts on
  > straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to force it on
if its not
  > straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it just
needs to be
  > replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also be
damaged.
  >
  > Smiffy
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
  > To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  >
  >
  > >  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier to
  > > cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
  > >
  > >  Cheers,
  > >  Jerry
  > >
  > >
  > >  ----- Original Message -----
  > >  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >
  > >
  > >  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up when it
is
  > > screwed on, so as
  > >  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the threads
are
  > > damaged.
  > >  >
  > >  > Smiffy
  > >  >
  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
  > >  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
  > >  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
  > >  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >  >
  > >  >
  > >  > >  Hi Smiffy,
  > >  > >
  > >  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
  > > continuously
  > >  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get
damaged
  > > very
  > >  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a
difference
  > > anyway on
  > >  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
  > >  > >
  > >  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English
lets me
  > > down
  > >  > > again).
  > >  > >
  > >  > >  Cheers,
  > >  > >  Jerry
  > >  > >
  > >  > >  1980R
  > >  > >  1985S2
  > >  > >
  > >  > >
  > >  > >  ----- Original Message -----
  > >  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
  > >  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >  > >
  > >  > >
  > >  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy
nuts are
  > > very
  > >  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded
steel
  > > nut
  > >  > >  > onto the studs.
  > >  > >  >
  > >  > >  > Smiffy
  > >  > >  >
  > >  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
  > >  > >  > >
  > >  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a
  > > smaller
  > >  > > size
  > >  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the
silly
  > >  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
  > >  > >  > >
  > >  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
  > >  > >  > >
  > >  > >  > >   Jerry
  > >  > >  > >
  > >  > >  > >   1985S2
  > >  > >  > >   1980R
  > >  > >  >
  > >  > >  >
  > >  > >  > _______________________________________________
  > >  > >  > 928uk mailing list
  > >  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > >  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > >  > >  > 928.org.uk
  > >  > >  >
  > >  > >
  > >  > >
  > >  > >
  > >  > >
  > >  >
  > >  > _______________________________________________
  > >  > 928uk mailing list
  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > >  > 928.org.uk
  > >  >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk
  >





From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug  9 13:11:36 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:11:36 +1200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz><001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW><010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername><007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<011401c59cd8$2b88ecf0$62667cca@computername>
	<009001c59cda$9178bde0$025b48c3@XJDW>
Message-ID: <014d01c59cdb$7e0736a0$62667cca@computername>

If you use a deep, six-sided socket, the hex should stay in much better shape.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


>  What i've found with Alloy ones is that the hexagon gets out of shape
> after a while (especially with older ones). A steel nut gives me more
> confidence if i'm required to change it a lot.
>  Haven't had any problems with cross threading yet.
> 
>  Cheers,
>  Jerry
> 
> 
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:47 PM
>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
> 
> 
>  > There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to get
> different nuts on
>  > straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to force it on
> if its not
>  > straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it just
> needs to be
>  > replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also be
> damaged.
>  >
>  > Smiffy
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>  > To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>  >
>  >
>  > >  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier to
>  > > cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
>  > >
>  > >  Cheers,
>  > >  Jerry
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>  > >  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
>  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up when it
> is
>  > > screwed on, so as
>  > >  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the threads
> are
>  > > damaged.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Smiffy
>  > >  >
>  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > >  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>  > >  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  > >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
>  > >  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > >  Hi Smiffy,
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
>  > > continuously
>  > >  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get
> damaged
>  > > very
>  > >  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a
> difference
>  > > anyway on
>  > >  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English
> lets me
>  > > down
>  > >  > > again).
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  Cheers,
>  > >  > >  Jerry
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  1980R
>  > >  > >  1985S2
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>  > >  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>  > >  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>  > >  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
>  > >  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy
> nuts are
>  > > very
>  > >  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded
> steel
>  > > nut
>  > >  > >  > onto the studs.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > Smiffy
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a
>  > > smaller
>  > >  > > size
>  > >  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the
> silly
>  > >  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >   Jerry
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >   1985S2
>  > >  > >  > >   1980R
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > _______________________________________________
>  > >  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>  > >  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  > >  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  > >  > >  > 928.org.uk
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > _______________________________________________
>  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  > >  > 928.org.uk
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > 928uk mailing list
>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  > 928.org.uk
>  >
> 
> 
> 
>


From t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com  Tue Aug  9 13:42:12 2005
From: t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com (T R Hennessy)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:42:12 +0100
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
In-Reply-To: <014d01c59cdb$7e0736a0$62667cca@computername>
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz>
	<001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername>
	<007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<011401c59cd8$2b88ecf0$62667cca@computername>
	<009001c59cda$9178bde0$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<014d01c59cdb$7e0736a0$62667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050809133658.01d6ee08@mail.btinternet.com>

Porsche recommend that only their special wheel nut driver (a hex socket 
with a nylon insert) should be used on alloy wheel nuts.

TomH

At 13:11 09/08/2005, you wrote:
>If you use a deep, six-sided socket, the hex should stay in much better shape.
>
>Smiffy
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry De Weerdt" 
><jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>
>
>>  What i've found with Alloy ones is that the hexagon gets out of shape
>>after a while (especially with older ones). A steel nut gives me more
>>confidence if i'm required to change it a lot.
>>  Haven't had any problems with cross threading yet.
>>  Cheers,
>>  Jerry
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:47 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>
>>  > There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to get
>>different nuts on
>>  > straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to force it on
>>if its not
>>  > straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it just
>>needs to be
>>  > replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also be
>>damaged.
>>  >
>>  > Smiffy
>>  >
>>  > ----- Original Message -----
>>  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>>  > To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
>>  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > >  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier to
>>  > > cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
>>  > >
>>  > >  Cheers,
>>  > >  Jerry
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>>  > >  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
>>  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up when it
>>is
>>  > > screwed on, so as
>>  > >  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the threads
>>are
>>  > > damaged.
>>  > >  >
>>  > >  > Smiffy
>>  > >  >
>>  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
>>  > >  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>>  > >  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>  > >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
>>  > >  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>  > >  >
>>  > >  >
>>  > >  > >  Hi Smiffy,
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
>>  > > continuously
>>  > >  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get
>>damaged
>>  > > very
>>  > >  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a
>>difference
>>  > > anyway on
>>  > >  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English
>>lets me
>>  > > down
>>  > >  > > again).
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  Cheers,
>>  > >  > >  Jerry
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  1980R
>>  > >  > >  1985S2
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>>  > >  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>  > >  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>  > >  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
>>  > >  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy
>>nuts are
>>  > > very
>>  > >  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded
>>steel
>>  > > nut
>>  > >  > >  > onto the studs.
>>  > >  > >  >
>>  > >  > >  > Smiffy
>>  > >  > >  >
>>  > >  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
>>  > >  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a
>>  > > smaller
>>  > >  > > size
>>  > >  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the
>>silly
>>  > >  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
>>  > >  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
>>  > >  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  > >   Jerry
>>  > >  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >  > >   1985S2
>>  > >  > >  > >   1980R
>>  > >  > >  >
>>  > >  > >  >
>>  > >  > >  > _______________________________________________
>>  > >  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>>  > >  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>>  > >  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>>  > >  > >  > 928.org.uk
>>  > >  > >  >
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  > >
>>  > >  >
>>  > >  > _______________________________________________
>>  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>>  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>>  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>>  > >  > 928.org.uk
>>  > >  >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  > _______________________________________________
>>  > 928uk mailing list
>>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>>  > 928.org.uk
>>  >
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk




From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Tue Aug  9 13:53:43 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:53:43 +0200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz><001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW><010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername><007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW><011401c59cd8$2b88ecf0$62667cca@computername><009001c59cda$9178bde0$025b48c3@XJDW><014d01c59cdb$7e0736a0$62667cca@computername>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20050809133658.01d6ee08@mail.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c59ce1$5fa8cd80$025b48c3@XJDW>

  There's pro's and con's to everything i guess. I'll stick to my steel ones
which can be removed with every socket, less hassle.

  Cheers,
  Jerry

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "T R Hennessy" <t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com>
  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


  > Porsche recommend that only their special wheel nut driver (a hex socket
  > with a nylon insert) should be used on alloy wheel nuts.
  >
  > TomH
  >
  > At 13:11 09/08/2005, you wrote:
  > >If you use a deep, six-sided socket, the hex should stay in much better
shape.
  > >
  > >Smiffy
  > >
  > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry De Weerdt"
  > ><jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
  > >To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:05 AM
  > >Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >
  > >
  > >>  What i've found with Alloy ones is that the hexagon gets out of
shape
  > >>after a while (especially with older ones). A steel nut gives me more
  > >>confidence if i'm required to change it a lot.
  > >>  Haven't had any problems with cross threading yet.
  > >>  Cheers,
  > >>  Jerry
  > >>
  > >>  ----- Original Message -----
  > >>  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >>  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:47 PM
  > >>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >>
  > >>  > There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to get
  > >>different nuts on
  > >>  > straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to force
it on
  > >>if its not
  > >>  > straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it
just
  > >>needs to be
  > >>  > replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also be
  > >>damaged.
  > >>  >
  > >>  > Smiffy
  > >>  >
  > >>  > ----- Original Message -----
  > >>  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
  > >>  > To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
  > >>  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >>  >
  > >>  >
  > >>  > >  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier
to
  > >>  > > cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >  Cheers,
  > >>  > >  Jerry
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >  ----- Original Message -----
  > >>  > >  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >>  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >>  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
  > >>  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up
when it
  > >>is
  > >>  > > screwed on, so as
  > >>  > >  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the
threads
  > >>are
  > >>  > > damaged.
  > >>  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > Smiffy
  > >>  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
  > >>  > >  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
  > >>  > >  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >>  > >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
  > >>  > >  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >>  > >  >
  > >>  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > >  Hi Smiffy,
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
  > >>  > > continuously
  > >>  > >  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get
  > >>damaged
  > >>  > > very
  > >>  > >  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a
  > >>difference
  > >>  > > anyway on
  > >>  > >  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my
English
  > >>lets me
  > >>  > > down
  > >>  > >  > > again).
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  Cheers,
  > >>  > >  > >  Jerry
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  1980R
  > >>  > >  > >  1985S2
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  ----- Original Message -----
  > >>  > >  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
  > >>  > >  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  > >>  > >  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
  > >>  > >  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the
alloy
  > >>nuts are
  > >>  > > very
  > >>  > >  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had
cross-threaded
  > >>steel
  > >>  > > nut
  > >>  > >  > >  > onto the studs.
  > >>  > >  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > >  > Smiffy
  > >>  > >  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
  > >>  > >  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by
slamming a
  > >>  > > smaller
  > >>  > >  > > size
  > >>  > >  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced
all the
  > >>silly
  > >>  > >  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
  > >>  > >  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
  > >>  > >  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  > >   Jerry
  > >>  > >  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >  > >   1985S2
  > >>  > >  > >  > >   1980R
  > >>  > >  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > >  > _______________________________________________
  > >>  > >  > >  > 928uk mailing list
  > >>  > >  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > >>  > >  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > >>  > >  > >  > 928.org.uk
  > >>  > >  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  > >
  > >>  > >  >
  > >>  > >  > _______________________________________________
  > >>  > >  > 928uk mailing list
  > >>  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > >>  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > >>  > >  > 928.org.uk
  > >>  > >  >
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >
  > >>  > >
  > >>  >
  > >>  > _______________________________________________
  > >>  > 928uk mailing list
  > >>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > >>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > >>  > 928.org.uk
  > >>  >
  > >_______________________________________________
  > >928uk mailing list
  > >928uk at 928.org.uk
  > >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > >928.org.uk
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk
  >





From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug  9 13:57:32 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:57:32 +1200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz><001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW><010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername><007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW><011401c59cd8$2b88ecf0$62667cca@computername><009001c59cda$9178bde0$025b48c3@XJDW><014d01c59cdb$7e0736a0$62667cca@computername>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20050809133658.01d6ee08@mail.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <016101c59ce1$e8c81ad0$62667cca@computername>

Remiss of them not to provide one in the tool-kit.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T R Hennessy" <t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com>
To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


> Porsche recommend that only their special wheel nut driver (a hex socket 
> with a nylon insert) should be used on alloy wheel nuts.
> 
> TomH
> 
> At 13:11 09/08/2005, you wrote:
>>If you use a deep, six-sided socket, the hex should stay in much better shape.
>>
>>Smiffy
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry De Weerdt" 
>><jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>>To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:05 AM
>>Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>
>>
>>>  What i've found with Alloy ones is that the hexagon gets out of shape
>>>after a while (especially with older ones). A steel nut gives me more
>>>confidence if i'm required to change it a lot.
>>>  Haven't had any problems with cross threading yet.
>>>  Cheers,
>>>  Jerry
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>>  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:47 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>>
>>>  > There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to get
>>>different nuts on
>>>  > straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to force it on
>>>if its not
>>>  > straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it just
>>>needs to be
>>>  > replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also be
>>>damaged.
>>>  >
>>>  > Smiffy
>>>  >
>>>  > ----- Original Message -----
>>>  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>>>  > To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
>>>  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > >  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier to
>>>  > > cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  Cheers,
>>>  > >  Jerry
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  > >  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>>  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>>  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
>>>  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up when it
>>>is
>>>  > > screwed on, so as
>>>  > >  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the threads
>>>are
>>>  > > damaged.
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  > Smiffy
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
>>>  > >  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>>>  > >  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>>  > >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
>>>  > >  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  > >  Hi Smiffy,
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
>>>  > > continuously
>>>  > >  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get
>>>damaged
>>>  > > very
>>>  > >  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a
>>>difference
>>>  > > anyway on
>>>  > >  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my English
>>>lets me
>>>  > > down
>>>  > >  > > again).
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  Cheers,
>>>  > >  > >  Jerry
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  1980R
>>>  > >  > >  1985S2
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  > >  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>>>  > >  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>>  > >  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
>>>  > >  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the alloy
>>>nuts are
>>>  > > very
>>>  > >  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had cross-threaded
>>>steel
>>>  > > nut
>>>  > >  > >  > onto the studs.
>>>  > >  > >  >
>>>  > >  > >  > Smiffy
>>>  > >  > >  >
>>>  > >  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
>>>  > >  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by slamming a
>>>  > > smaller
>>>  > >  > > size
>>>  > >  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all the
>>>silly
>>>  > >  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
>>>  > >  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
>>>  > >  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  > >   Jerry
>>>  > >  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  > >   1985S2
>>>  > >  > >  > >   1980R
>>>  > >  > >  >
>>>  > >  > >  >
>>>  > >  > >  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > >  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>>>  > >  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>>>  > >  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>>>  > >  > >  > 928.org.uk
>>>  > >  > >  >
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>>>  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>>>  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>>>  > >  > 928.org.uk
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  >
>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > 928uk mailing list
>>>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>>>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>>>  > 928.org.uk
>>>  >
>>_______________________________________________
>>928uk mailing list
>>928uk at 928.org.uk
>>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>>928.org.uk
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From pagnobito at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 15:35:51 2005
From: pagnobito at hotmail.com (Michael Parris)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:35:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
In-Reply-To: <00c201c59ce1$5fa8cd80$025b48c3@XJDW>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F291A096C4E3208867FA72AA8BB0@phx.gbl>

Lots of opinions, but can someone tell me where I can get the replacements, 
are they a standard size?

Mike
89 S4

>From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>, "T R Hennessy" 
><t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:53:43 +0200
>
>   There's pro's and con's to everything i guess. I'll stick to my steel 
>ones
>which can be removed with every socket, less hassle.
>
>   Cheers,
>   Jerry
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "T R Hennessy" <t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com>
>   To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:42 PM
>   Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>
>
>   > Porsche recommend that only their special wheel nut driver (a hex 
>socket
>   > with a nylon insert) should be used on alloy wheel nuts.
>   >
>   > TomH
>   >
>   > At 13:11 09/08/2005, you wrote:
>   > >If you use a deep, six-sided socket, the hex should stay in much 
>better
>shape.
>   > >
>   > >Smiffy
>   > >
>   > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry De Weerdt"
>   > ><jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>   > >To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>   > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:05 AM
>   > >Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >>  What i've found with Alloy ones is that the hexagon gets out of
>shape
>   > >>after a while (especially with older ones). A steel nut gives me 
>more
>   > >>confidence if i'm required to change it a lot.
>   > >>  Haven't had any problems with cross threading yet.
>   > >>  Cheers,
>   > >>  Jerry
>   > >>
>   > >>  ----- Original Message -----
>   > >>  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>   > >>  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>   > >>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:47 PM
>   > >>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>   > >>
>   > >>  > There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to 
>get
>   > >>different nuts on
>   > >>  > straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to 
>force
>it on
>   > >>if its not
>   > >>  > straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it
>just
>   > >>needs to be
>   > >>  > replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also 
>be
>   > >>damaged.
>   > >>  >
>   > >>  > Smiffy
>   > >>  >
>   > >>  > ----- Original Message -----
>   > >>  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>   > >>  > To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>   > >>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
>   > >>  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>   > >>  >
>   > >>  >
>   > >>  > >  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's 
>easier
>to
>   > >>  > > cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >  Cheers,
>   > >>  > >  Jerry
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>   > >>  > >  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>   > >>  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>   > >>  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
>   > >>  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up
>when it
>   > >>is
>   > >>  > > screwed on, so as
>   > >>  > >  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the
>threads
>   > >>are
>   > >>  > > damaged.
>   > >>  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > Smiffy
>   > >>  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
>   > >>  > >  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
>   > >>  > >  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>   > >>  > >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
>   > >>  > >  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>   > >>  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > >  Hi Smiffy,
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have 
>to
>   > >>  > > continuously
>   > >>  > >  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and 
>get
>   > >>damaged
>   > >>  > > very
>   > >>  > >  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a
>   > >>difference
>   > >>  > > anyway on
>   > >>  > >  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my
>English
>   > >>lets me
>   > >>  > > down
>   > >>  > >  > > again).
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  Cheers,
>   > >>  > >  > >  Jerry
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  1980R
>   > >>  > >  > >  1985S2
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  ----- Original Message -----
>   > >>  > >  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
>   > >>  > >  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>   > >>  > >  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
>   > >>  > >  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the
>alloy
>   > >>nuts are
>   > >>  > > very
>   > >>  > >  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had
>cross-threaded
>   > >>steel
>   > >>  > > nut
>   > >>  > >  > >  > onto the studs.
>   > >>  > >  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > Smiffy
>   > >>  > >  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by
>slamming a
>   > >>  > > smaller
>   > >>  > >  > > size
>   > >>  > >  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced
>all the
>   > >>silly
>   > >>  > >  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >   Jerry
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >   1985S2
>   > >>  > >  > >  > >   1980R
>   > >>  > >  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > >  > _______________________________________________
>   > >>  > >  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>   > >>  > >  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   > >>  > >  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>   > >>  > >  > >  > 928.org.uk
>   > >>  > >  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  > >
>   > >>  > >  >
>   > >>  > >  > _______________________________________________
>   > >>  > >  > 928uk mailing list
>   > >>  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   > >>  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>   > >>  > >  > 928.org.uk
>   > >>  > >  >
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  > >
>   > >>  >
>   > >>  > _______________________________________________
>   > >>  > 928uk mailing list
>   > >>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   > >>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>   > >>  > 928.org.uk
>   > >>  >
>   > >_______________________________________________
>   > >928uk mailing list
>   > >928uk at 928.org.uk
>   > >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>   > >928.org.uk
>   >
>   >
>   > _______________________________________________
>   > 928uk mailing list
>   > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>   > 928.org.uk
>   >
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 15:54:37 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:54:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F291A096C4E3208867FA72AA8BB0@phx.gbl>
References: <00c201c59ce1$5fa8cd80$025b48c3@XJDW>
	<BAY101-F291A096C4E3208867FA72AA8BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <98697a43050809075474c1bd88@mail.gmail.com>

One of the independent Porsche parts places had a huge box of the
alloy ones at the last Porsche Autojumble and was selling them for ?2
each, sorry can't remember which one though. I got mine in the US from
928Intl for $1.50 each (used but look brand new).

Paul
87 S4 Manual

On 8/9/05, Michael Parris <pagnobito at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Lots of opinions, but can someone tell me where I can get the replacements,
> are they a standard size?
> 
> Mike
> 89 S4
>


From marton at befree.ch  Tue Aug  9 19:14:09 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:14:09 +0200
Subject: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
References: <20050809020740.2EB5162850A@viper.snap.net.nz><001401c59cad$ae1febd0$025b48c3@XJDW><010101c59cd4$6354d170$62667cca@computername><007b01c59cd6$e69d4c90$025b48c3@XJDW><011401c59cd8$2b88ecf0$62667cca@computername><009001c59cda$9178bde0$025b48c3@XJDW><014d01c59cdb$7e0736a0$62667cca@computername><6.2.1.2.0.20050809133658.01d6ee08@mail.btinternet.com>
	<016101c59ce1$e8c81ad0$62667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <006601c59d0e$2317ea40$6401a8c0@simone>

typical, they also did not provide a box of cuban cigars to smoke whilst
waiting for the breakdown truck

Marton


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted


> Remiss of them not to provide one in the tool-kit.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T R Hennessy" <t.r.hennessy at btinternet.com>
> To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
>
>
> > Porsche recommend that only their special wheel nut driver (a hex socket
> > with a nylon insert) should be used on alloy wheel nuts.
> >
> > TomH
> >
> > At 13:11 09/08/2005, you wrote:
> >>If you use a deep, six-sided socket, the hex should stay in much better
shape.
> >>
> >>Smiffy
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry De Weerdt"
> >><jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
> >>To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:05 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
> >>
> >>
> >>>  What i've found with Alloy ones is that the hexagon gets out of shape
> >>>after a while (especially with older ones). A steel nut gives me more
> >>>confidence if i'm required to change it a lot.
> >>>  Haven't had any problems with cross threading yet.
> >>>  Cheers,
> >>>  Jerry
> >>>
> >>>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> >>>  To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> >>>  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:47 PM
> >>>  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
> >>>
> >>>  > There's no difference in how much skill (not much) it takes to get
> >>>different nuts on
> >>>  > straight. What is easier with an ally nut, is to continue to force
it on
> >>>if its not
> >>>  > straight. The advantage of a cross-threaded ally nut, is that it
just
> >>>needs to be
> >>>  > replaced, if a steel nut is cross threaded, the stud will also be
> >>>damaged.
> >>>  >
> >>>  > Smiffy
> >>>  >
> >>>  > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
> >>>  > To: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> >>>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:38 PM
> >>>  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  > >  Thanks for the explanation Smiffy, don't you think it's easier
to
> >>>  > > cross-thread an alloy than a steel nut?
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >  Cheers,
> >>>  > >  Jerry
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >  ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  > >  From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> >>>  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> >>>  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20 PM
> >>>  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >  > "Cross-threaded" is what happens when a nut is not lined up
when it
> >>>is
> >>>  > > screwed on, so as
> >>>  > >  > it is done up, the threads on the two parts cross and the
threads
> >>>are
> >>>  > > damaged.
> >>>  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > Smiffy
> >>>  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  > >  > From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
> >>>  > >  > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> >>>  > >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:43 PM
> >>>  > >  > Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
> >>>  > >  >
> >>>  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > >  Hi Smiffy,
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  I've found that (in the case of my racer) when you have to
> >>>  > > continuously
> >>>  > >  > > take off the wheels, the alloy nuts are too fragile and get
> >>>damaged
> >>>  > > very
> >>>  > >  > > easily. The extra weight of the steel nuts won't make a
> >>>difference
> >>>  > > anyway on
> >>>  > >  > > a car that weighs over 1300kg.
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  What do you mean with cross-threaded? (I'm affraid my
English
> >>>lets me
> >>>  > > down
> >>>  > >  > > again).
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  Cheers,
> >>>  > >  > >  Jerry
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  1980R
> >>>  > >  > >  1985S2
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  > >  > >  From: <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
> >>>  > >  > >  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> >>>  > >  > >  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:07 AM
> >>>  > >  > >  Subject: Re: [928uk] I'm not a nutter - spotted
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  > I suspect it was previous owners who were silly, the
alloy
> >>>nuts are
> >>>  > > very
> >>>  > >  > >  > clever. Just imagine if the previous owner had
cross-threaded
> >>>steel
> >>>  > > nut
> >>>  > >  > >  > onto the studs.
> >>>  > >  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > >  > Smiffy
> >>>  > >  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > >  > >   Hi Mike,
> >>>  > >  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  > >   I had a wheel nut like that once. Got it off by
slamming a
> >>>  > > smaller
> >>>  > >  > > size
> >>>  > >  > >  > > wrench on it so it fit again. After that i replaced all
the
> >>>silly
> >>>  > >  > >  > > lightweight nuts with steel ones. Problem solved.
> >>>  > >  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  > >   Cheers and good luck.
> >>>  > >  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  > >   Jerry
> >>>  > >  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >  > >   1985S2
> >>>  > >  > >  > >   1980R
> >>>  > >  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > >  > _______________________________________________
> >>>  > >  > >  > 928uk mailing list
> >>>  > >  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >>>  > >  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> >>>  > >  > >  > 928.org.uk
> >>>  > >  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  > >
> >>>  > >  >
> >>>  > >  > _______________________________________________
> >>>  > >  > 928uk mailing list
> >>>  > >  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >>>  > >  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> >>>  > >  > 928.org.uk
> >>>  > >  >
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >
> >>>  > >
> >>>  >
> >>>  > _______________________________________________
> >>>  > 928uk mailing list
> >>>  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >>>  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> >>>  > 928.org.uk
> >>>  >
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>928uk mailing list
> >>928uk at 928.org.uk
> >>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> >>928.org.uk
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> >
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 09.08.05
>
>



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 09.08.05



From angusf at mac.com  Tue Aug  9 19:30:10 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:30:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] metallic paint
Message-ID: <12058136.1123612210110.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

Miles, Ive forwarded your email to our list. someone will know. Check out the excellent landshark oz paint code and colour site (link in the links page on the site).


Sir,

I am looking to buy my first 928 S4 (1989) here in South Africa. I am trying to find out if the car has been resprayed & need to know if Porsche used a clear coat over their metalic paints.

This car has a clear coat, evidenced by very minor peeling around a corner at one of the rear windows.

Colour code is 37B, which I believe is Baltic blue from your list of colours.

You are very fortunate in the UK, the cars here cost almost double your prices, and our wise government will not let us import 2nd hand cars !

Possibly you can also give me any info re the climate control which is not working, cannot set a temperature, no hot air, but the aircon works.

What are usual causes of lower engine power? I have had a leakdown test done which was fine, but the car is definitely not as strong as some other examples I have tested.

Thanks for your help, kind regards, Miles. 


From PeterGamston at aol.com  Tue Aug  9 19:32:53 2005
From: PeterGamston at aol.com (PeterGamston at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:32:53 EDT
Subject: [928uk] between 3 and 5 copies of emails
Message-ID: <d.49ee1eee.302a50d5@aol.com>

 
 
Yes, me too; at least ! I think 8 is the record so far. Any one know what  
we're doing wrong ?
 
Also the tailgate of my S2 leaks in heavy rain even though the seal doesn't  
look too bad. Can't see where the water's meant to go - should there be some  
drain holes somewhere or is it a case of a new seal?
 
Peter
 
 


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050809/86cef1d8/attachment-0001.html>

From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Aug  9 20:39:08 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:39:08 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Rear Light Units
Message-ID: <81.2d556c67.302a605c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 09/08/05 13:01:44 GMT Daylight Time,  
George.Layton at ukgateway.net writes:

Can  anyone confirm that they do have lower strips on their light  units
??

When I was giving my 928 a thorough clean recently I  noticed that the
light units sit in the bottom of the opening in the PU -  not in the
centre.  If the light units are sitting lower in the  openings than they
should, it would explain why water gets trapped in that  area when I wash
the car :0(



1) No spring clips on my 91 S4 and 2) as I've been told in the past ... "  th
ey all do that sir "
   Not sure who said that !!   Looks wrong tho dosent  it ?
 
Dave
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050809/61f8a778/attachment-0001.html>

From david_daytona at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 21:22:52 2005
From: david_daytona at hotmail.com (David McLoughlin)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:22:52 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Herts meet.
Message-ID: <BAY104-F426E62A9E05E089EC8F86586BB0@phx.gbl>

Hi fellas, how many of you are going tommorow, had lots of intrest but not 
many of you have got back to me. So far we got 8 928's a couple of early 
911's, a Chesil 356, a 993 GT3, a 930 Turbo & a rare 964 RS.
It's at the Three Horseshoes Pub,
              Hooks Cross,
              Watton at Stone,
              Hertford,
              Herts.
Its on the A602 between Stevenage & Ware.
If you're up for it, let me know.
Dave Mac. Silver & Black S4 (soon to have NOS!)

_________________________________________________________________
Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends 
http://messenger.msn.co.uk



From philipdadd at msn.com  Tue Aug  9 22:12:59 2005
From: philipdadd at msn.com (Philip Dadd)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:12:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
Message-ID: <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0@phx.gbl>

Have been running car on a full tank of Shell Optimax fuel for the last week. (1988 S4 Auto Slate Grey Metallic) Car ran superbly at Castle Combe track day in May on normal unleaded - I then had a full service carried out and ever since I have noticed a slight hesitation / misfire under hard acceleration at high revs. Thought it was my imagination that the car was running better on the Optimax, so I took the beast for a country run last night - what a difference !!!!!!! The car is definitely accelerating better than it ever has, and the problem has gone.

Has anyone else noticed the difference using Optimax ?

On a different subject, at the 928 day at Castle Combe in May I had my camcorder mounted on a tripod behind the two front seats with the camera beside my helmet. I did not think at the time that the footage would be very good as the rear view mirror was obscuring the camera from viewing the full screen ahead ! What a surprise I had when I replayed the tape ! The film was superb as not only did the camera capture everything going on in front, but it also captured the action behind via the mirror, and also my facial expressions and bad language !

Anyone going to Castle Combe next year - try it.

Philip
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050809/0a2453e4/attachment-0001.html>

From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Wed Aug 10 00:09:18 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:09:18 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200508092309.j79N9I0Z014362@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Philip Dadd wrote:
>
> Has anyone else noticed the difference using Optimax ?

Hi Philip,

The 928 did not get knock sensors until model year 1989.

Your 1988 car will have the ignition timing set for a certain grade
of fuel with links on the 8 pin code socket next to the LH/EZK
ECUs.  I think that for UK delivered cars that was 98 RON, but I
expect that John Speake (who told me about the 8 pin code socket)
will know for sure.

I run my S2 on Optimax exclusively -- the "octane loop" (found only
on the S2) is broken, coding it for 98 RON.  Any (rare) sign of a
hesitation and it gets a dose of "Toyota Injector Cleaner No. 1"
and a good thrashing.  All misbehaviour cured.  Works on kids too
(but use castor oil :-).

Caltex (Chevron) Techron injector cleaner is recommended by Porsche.
I have also found Wurth Injector cleaner to be good.  But the Toyota
one (from any Toyota spare parts dealer) is best value.

[Most 928s do go better on 98 RON fuel.]


-- 
Phil

The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper.
        -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), third US President


From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Wed Aug 10 02:04:32 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:04:32 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Herts meet.
References: <BAY104-F426E62A9E05E089EC8F86586BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008e01c59d48$dd156460$02000003@oemcomputer>

I'll be there.

George
1995 GTS Auto

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David McLoughlin
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 09 August 2005 21:22
  Subject: [928uk] Herts meet.


  Hi fellas, how many of you are going tommorow, had lots of intrest but
not
  many of you have got back to me. So far we got 8 928's a couple of
early
  911's, a Chesil 356, a 993 GT3, a 930 Turbo & a rare 964 RS.
  It's at the Three Horseshoes Pub,
                Hooks Cross,
                Watton at Stone,
                Hertford,
                Herts.
  Its on the A602 between Stevenage & Ware.
  If you're up for it, let me know.
  Dave Mac. Silver & Black S4 (soon to have NOS!)

  _________________________________________________________________
  Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends
  http://messenger.msn.co.uk

  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 05:39:56 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:39:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <200508092309.j79N9I0Z014362@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
References: <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0@phx.gbl>
	<200508092309.j79N9I0Z014362@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <98697a4305080921397ae290b2@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry Phil

Your usual encylopedic knowledge has let you down this time. I have an
early 87 S4 and it most definitely has knock sensors, I know because
I've replaced them.

As far as Shell Optimax is concerned, I've always found it very hard
to spend the extra 6 or 7p per litre, but the BP Ultimate stand at
Goodwood this year made me think again about using higher grade fuels
with their improved detergent packages. They had an 30k engine in a
road car that had it's fuel system split 4k miles ago so one side was
fed with normal unleaded, and the other with Ultimate. The difference
between the combustion chambers when viewed with a borescope was
dramatic to say the least. Almost too convincing in fact.

Paul
87 S4 Manual




On 8/10/05, Phil Chadwick <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au> wrote:
> Philip Dadd wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone else noticed the difference using Optimax ?
> 
> Hi Philip,
> 
> The 928 did not get knock sensors until model year 1989.
> 
> Your 1988 car will have the ignition timing set for a certain grade
> of fuel with links on the 8 pin code socket next to the LH/EZK
> ECUs.  I think that for UK delivered cars that was 98 RON, but I
> expect that John Speake (who told me about the 8 pin code socket)
> will know for sure.
> 
> I run my S2 on Optimax exclusively -- the "octane loop" (found only
> on the S2) is broken, coding it for 98 RON.  Any (rare) sign of a
> hesitation and it gets a dose of "Toyota Injector Cleaner No. 1"
> and a good thrashing.  All misbehaviour cured.  Works on kids too
> (but use castor oil :-).
> 
> Caltex (Chevron) Techron injector cleaner is recommended by Porsche.
> I have also found Wurth Injector cleaner to be good.  But the Toyota
> one (from any Toyota spare parts dealer) is best value.
> 
> [Most 928s do go better on 98 RON fuel.]
> 
> 
> --
> Phil
> 
> The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper.
>        -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), third US President
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Wed Aug 10 08:06:18 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:06:18 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <98697a4305080921397ae290b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200508100706.j7A76I7Y008964@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Paul wrote:
> 
> Your usual encylopedic knowledge has let you down this time. I have an
> early 87 S4 and it most definitely has knock sensors, I know because
> I've replaced them.

Hi Paul,

You are, of course, correct.  Sorry.

A little basic research tells me that all 32 valve engines had
knock sensors (even the first 1985 ones sold in the US).

You have just re-aranged my reality, a little :-)

However, I still believe that the MY 1987 and 1988 (pre-digital
dash) cars had an 8 pin code socket next to the LH/EZKs which
advanced/retarded the ignition.


-- 
Phil

I've been on a diet for two weeks and all I've lost is fourteen days.
        -- Totie Fields (-1978), U.S. comedienne


From richard at ritech-systems.com  Wed Aug 10 08:56:27 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:56:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <200508100706.j7A76I7Y008964@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
References: <98697a4305080921397ae290b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200508100706.j7A76I7Y008964@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <mYe47JYrMb+CFw3g@ritech-systems.com>


Ah, I think you may be wrong again Phil.
All the 32 valvers have the 8 pin socket. You can specify CAT or non CAT 
with it too (it removes the O2 sensor from the loop)

Richard



In message <200508100706.j7A76I7Y008964 at citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>, Phil 
Chadwick <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au> writes
>Paul wrote:
>>
>> Your usual encylopedic knowledge has let you down this time. I have an
>> early 87 S4 and it most definitely has knock sensors, I know because
>> I've replaced them.
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>You are, of course, correct.  Sorry.
>
>A little basic research tells me that all 32 valve engines had
>knock sensors (even the first 1985 ones sold in the US).
>
>You have just re-aranged my reality, a little :-)
>
>However, I still believe that the MY 1987 and 1988 (pre-digital
>dash) cars had an 8 pin code socket next to the LH/EZKs which
>advanced/retarded the ignition.
>
>

-- 
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made,
in a narrow field.
   -- Niels Bohr
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Wed Aug 10 08:56:27 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:56:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <200508100706.j7A76I7Y008964@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
References: <98697a4305080921397ae290b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200508100706.j7A76I7Y008964@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <mYe47JYrMb+CFw3g@ritech-systems.com>


Ah, I think you may be wrong again Phil.
All the 32 valvers have the 8 pin socket. You can specify CAT or non CAT 
with it too (it removes the O2 sensor from the loop)

Richard



In message <200508100706.j7A76I7Y008964 at citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>, Phil 
Chadwick <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au> writes
>Paul wrote:
>>
>> Your usual encylopedic knowledge has let you down this time. I have an
>> early 87 S4 and it most definitely has knock sensors, I know because
>> I've replaced them.
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>You are, of course, correct.  Sorry.
>
>A little basic research tells me that all 32 valve engines had
>knock sensors (even the first 1985 ones sold in the US).
>
>You have just re-aranged my reality, a little :-)
>
>However, I still believe that the MY 1987 and 1988 (pre-digital
>dash) cars had an 8 pin code socket next to the LH/EZKs which
>advanced/retarded the ignition.
>
>

-- 
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made,
in a narrow field.
   -- Niels Bohr
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Wed Aug 10 09:03:01 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:03:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <14p8D8Y1Sb+CFw2F@ritech-systems.com>


Phil
I was going to do the same but my old camcorder died just before the 
day.
What camcorder did you use, and how did you nail it down?
It would have been great footage, and I will definitely do it next year.

CC date  of 21st July looks favourite by the way. I have about 20 people 
already so I don't think there will be a problem. Anyone else interested 
please let me know.

Richard

In message <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0 at phx.gbl>, Philip Dadd 
<philipdadd at msn.com> writes
>Have?been running?car on a full tank of Shell Optimax fuel for the last
>week. (1988 S4 Auto Slate Grey Metallic) Car ran superbly at Castle
>Combe track day in May?on normal unleaded - I then had a full service
>carried out and ever since I have noticed a slight hesitation / misfire under
>hard acceleration at high revs. Thought it was my imagination that the car
>was running better on the Optimax, so I took the beast for a country run
>last night - what a difference !!!!!!! The car is definitely accelerating better
>than it ever has, and the problem has gone.
>?
>Has anyone else noticed the difference using Optimax??
>?
>On a different subject, at the 928 day at Castle Combe in May I had my?
>camcorder mounted on a tripod behind the two front seats with the camera
>beside my helmet. I did not think at the time that the footage would be
>very good as the rear view mirror was obscuring the camera from viewing
>the full screen ahead ! What a surprise I had when I replayed the tape !
>The film was superb as not only did the camera capture everything going
>on in front, but it also captured the action behind via the mirror, and also
>my facial expressions and bad language !
>?
>Anyone going to Castle Combe next year - try it.
>?
>Philip
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk

-- 
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made,
in a narrow field.
   -- Niels Bohr
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Wed Aug 10 09:03:01 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:03:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <14p8D8Y1Sb+CFw2F@ritech-systems.com>


Phil
I was going to do the same but my old camcorder died just before the 
day.
What camcorder did you use, and how did you nail it down?
It would have been great footage, and I will definitely do it next year.

CC date  of 21st July looks favourite by the way. I have about 20 people 
already so I don't think there will be a problem. Anyone else interested 
please let me know.

Richard

In message <BAY107-DAV125A9A35A34E2541031B5EC4BB0 at phx.gbl>, Philip Dadd 
<philipdadd at msn.com> writes
>Have?been running?car on a full tank of Shell Optimax fuel for the last
>week. (1988 S4 Auto Slate Grey Metallic) Car ran superbly at Castle
>Combe track day in May?on normal unleaded - I then had a full service
>carried out and ever since I have noticed a slight hesitation / misfire under
>hard acceleration at high revs. Thought it was my imagination that the car
>was running better on the Optimax, so I took the beast for a country run
>last night - what a difference !!!!!!! The car is definitely accelerating better
>than it ever has, and the problem has gone.
>?
>Has anyone else noticed the difference using Optimax??
>?
>On a different subject, at the 928 day at Castle Combe in May I had my?
>camcorder mounted on a tripod behind the two front seats with the camera
>beside my helmet. I did not think at the time that the footage would be
>very good as the rear view mirror was obscuring the camera from viewing
>the full screen ahead ! What a surprise I had when I replayed the tape !
>The film was superb as not only did the camera capture everything going
>on in front, but it also captured the action behind via the mirror, and also
>my facial expressions and bad language !
>?
>Anyone going to Castle Combe next year - try it.
>?
>Philip
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk

-- 
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made,
in a narrow field.
   -- Niels Bohr
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From email at jbreckeen.org  Wed Aug 10 10:05:07 2005
From: email at jbreckeen.org (Joshua Breckeen)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:05:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Vauxhall cooling fan for 928.
Message-ID: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAGEMKCNAA.email@jbreckeen.org>

Hello all,

Recently one of my radiator fans seized up.  I have read about the use of a
Vauxhall's fan as a replacement.  Sounds good, but do I need to replace
both, or can one Porsche and one Vauxhall live happily alongside each other?
I am just worried about the different speeds, and maybe the different
current-pull freaking out the fan controller.

Also, as far as I understood, once one fan dies, the other is supposed to
run as full speed, all the time.  Well, mine does not.  It just runs as per
normal.  Once the water is hot, is comes on and is thermostatically
controlled as usual.  It acts the same with or without the dead motor
plugging in.

FYI, I have been driving it for about a week with only one fan, and even in
traffic the temp was normal!

Thanks in advance . . .


Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts

91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic



From info at jdsporsche.com  Wed Aug 10 10:07:39 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:07:39 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
References: <200508092309.j79N9I0Z014362@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <004701c59d8a$f603f7b0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>


> Philip Dadd wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed the difference using Optimax ?
>
> Hi Phi,
>
> The 928 did not get knock sensors until model year 1989. >
> Your 1988 car will have the ignition timing set for a certain grade
> of fuel with links on the 8 pin code socket next to the LH/EZK
> ECUs.  I think that for UK delivered cars that was 98 RON, but I
> expect that John Speake (who told me about the 8 pin code socket)
> will know for sure.
>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi,
ALL S4 and later cars have knock sensors.....the coding plug has options for 
cat/noncat and also an octane setting for very poor fuel. This is never set 
for the uk market.

It is worth noting that around 90% of the S4 and leter cars I see have one 
or more knock sensors faulty (or the Hall sensor as well). This results in 
quite a dent in the top end perfomance, as the ignition is retrded to ensure 
there is no engine damage with the knock system out of commission.

Regards

John

>
> 




From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Wed Aug 10 11:07:04 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:07:04 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Vauxhall cooling fan for 928.
In-Reply-To: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAGEMKCNAA.email@jbreckeen.org>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDCELECLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Hi Joshua

What you need is the cooling fan (motor aand fan blade) from an early Mk3
Cavalier 2.0 before 1994. The only "lack of fit" is that the 928 electrical
connector is on the fan motor itself (and is a common cause of problems)
whereas the Cav connector is on the end of a 12" wire tail. The 928 wiring
harness connector will plug into the Cav fan connector but the waterproof
rubber sleeve does not fit.

Having said that a 1995 2.0 cav motor and fan will fit straight in but the
fan blade is a different more efficient design than the 928 blade.

I suspect that you may find the fans in 1800 and 1600 cavaliers and Astras
are also the same but I haven't checked these.

The Bosch part no.s on the 928 and cav fans differ only in the last two or
three digits which I am led to believe signifies the different electrical
connectors.

About 3 years ago 928 fans were ?220+vat from OPC. Cav fans were about ?110
from Vauxhall dealers.

Scrapyard fans vary between ?5 and ?30. Should be plenty in scapyards in
Luton - near you.

Hope this helps

Jon in NZ


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Joshua Breckeen
Sent: 10 August 2005 21:05
To: 928uk Mailing List
Subject: [928uk] Vauxhall cooling fan for 928.


Hello all,

Recently one of my radiator fans seized up.  I have read about the use of a
Vauxhall's fan as a replacement.  Sounds good, but do I need to replace
both, or can one Porsche and one Vauxhall live happily alongside each other?
I am just worried about the different speeds, and maybe the different
current-pull freaking out the fan controller.

Also, as far as I understood, once one fan dies, the other is supposed to
run as full speed, all the time.  Well, mine does not.  It just runs as per
normal.  Once the water is hot, is comes on and is thermostatically
controlled as usual.  It acts the same with or without the dead motor
plugging in.

FYI, I have been driving it for about a week with only one fan, and even in
traffic the temp was normal!

Thanks in advance . . .


Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts

91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk




From info at jdsporsche.com  Wed Aug 10 13:16:27 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:16:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] knock sensor failures
References: <20050810114554.57815.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00df01c59da5$55a37eb0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>


> John
> I have my car serviced by JZ Machtech. Would they
> notice this in a regular service routine?
> If not, is there a way of checking it?
> Thanks
> Kenrick
> 1990 S4
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Kenrick,
I would have thought that a diagnostic check would be part of an annual 
service routine. I believe this is the case with OPCs.

You will need to ask JZ specifically on this point. They amy only do the 
check if you have some specific problem you have mentioned.

The test is made using a Porsche diagnostic tester (Hammer or PST2), or one 
of my "Spanners". Takes about 5 minutes.

There's no other easy of testing knock sensors and the Hall sensors other 
than with a diagnostic tester.

Regards

John 




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 13:48:04 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:48:04 +0100
Subject: [928uk] knock sensor failures
In-Reply-To: <00df01c59da5$55a37eb0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
References: <20050810114554.57815.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00df01c59da5$55a37eb0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <98697a4305081005487829164c@mail.gmail.com>

You could try disconnecting each sensor in turn, driving the car on a
known stretch of road imbetween, you should feel a noticable change if
the sensor disconnect is working.

However, I've never tried this myself, so I don't know how obvious the
difference would be. It would certainly be much more satisfying to
have the car fully checked by JDS's Spanner.

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On 8/10/05, JDSPorsche <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote:
> 
> > John
> > I have my car serviced by JZ Machtech. Would they
> > notice this in a regular service routine?
> > If not, is there a way of checking it?
> > Thanks
> > Kenrick
> > 1990 S4
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Hello Kenrick,
> I would have thought that a diagnostic check would be part of an annual
> service routine. I believe this is the case with OPCs.
> 
> You will need to ask JZ specifically on this point. They amy only do the
> check if you have some specific problem you have mentioned.
> 
> The test is made using a Porsche diagnostic tester (Hammer or PST2), or one
> of my "Spanners". Takes about 5 minutes.
> 
> There's no other easy of testing knock sensors and the Hall sensors other
> than with a diagnostic tester.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From info at jdsporsche.com  Wed Aug 10 14:07:23 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:07:23 +0100
Subject: [928uk] knock sensor failures
References: <20050810124314.85308.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00fa01c59dac$792523a0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenrick Ramlochan" <kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com>
To: "JDSPorsche" <info at jdsporsche.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] knock sensor failures


> John
> I suume that they would the diagnostic tool on it.
> Don't have any problems, just got thinking after
> reading your post.
> Kenrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Kenrick,
It would be worth a quick 'phone call to confirm this. Many of the people 
who's cars I have found knock sensor faults on weren't aware that they were 
at least 10% short on top end power !

Regards

John




From info at jdsporsche.com  Wed Aug 10 14:52:55 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:52:55 +0100
Subject: [928uk] knock sensor failures
References: <20050810114554.57815.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c59da5$55a37eb0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
	<98697a4305081005487829164c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012501c59db2$d0948120$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>


> You could try disconnecting each sensor in turn, driving the car on a
> known stretch of road imbetween, you should feel a noticable change if
> the sensor disconnect is working.
>
> However, I've never tried this myself, so I don't know how obvious the
> difference would be. It would certainly be much more satisfying to
> have the car fully checked by JDS's Spanner.
>
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Paul,
The problem with this method is that if the Hall sensor is faulty, 
disconnecting either of the knock sensors will not have any effect, because 
when the Hall fails, the ignition is retarded by the full 6 degrees.....

Regards

John




From richdunn at onetel.com  Wed Aug 10 15:46:16 2005
From: richdunn at onetel.com (Rich Dunn)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:46:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] knock sensor failures
References: <20050810114554.57815.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c59da5$55a37eb0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4><98697a4305081005487829164c@mail.gmail.com>
	<012501c59db2$d0948120$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <033801c59dba$43af5890$0301a8c0@acer5c5297hu8o>

One of mine was detected faulty at last service. Both were replaced. 
Unbelieveable difference at high revs. (And I thought it was quick before 
they were replaced!)
  Definitely worth getting checked out with a diagnostic 'hammer'.
    Regds. Rich Dunn.   '93 GTS manual. 



From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 16:16:43 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:16:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] knock sensor failures -
In-Reply-To: <033801c59dba$43af5890$0301a8c0@acer5c5297hu8o>
Message-ID: <20050810151643.87900.qmail@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

knock sensor failures - shnock sensor failures....
 
You should all get S2-engined cars... 
 
Alex 
 
928 S2 Manual
928 GT


Rich Dunn <richdunn at onetel.com> wrote:
One of mine was detected faulty at last service. Both were replaced. 
Unbelieveable difference at high revs. (And I thought it was quick before 
they were replaced!)
Definitely worth getting checked out with a diagnostic 'hammer'.
Regds. Rich Dunn. '93 GTS manual. 

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

		
---------------------------------
How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050810/88e2c180/attachment-0001.html>

From colincatherall at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 10 19:31:21 2005
From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:31:21 +0000
Subject: [928uk] wont start
Message-ID: <BAY101-F41F4C9E3102CE255594CAFC0BA0@phx.gbl>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050810/d4ded570/attachment-0001.html>

From Dk928 at aol.com  Wed Aug 10 21:37:34 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:37:34 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Tyre Changing
Message-ID: <100.193e306a.302bbf8e@aol.com>

Hi Guys
 
I'm having some new tyres fitted onto some nice new alloys and wondered if  
there's a kinder way to fit them that avoids scratching the rims.... the usual  
tyre removal/fitting machine used by my local centre looks a bit dodgy for 
new  shiny alloys !!
 
Or am I being paranoid ?
 
Thanks
Dave
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050810/185ad46c/attachment-0001.html>

From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 22:08:10 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:08:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] wont start
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F41F4C9E3102CE255594CAFC0BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050810210810.87619.qmail@web25408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Bummer! 
 
There goes my suggestion that we should all switch to S2 engines...
 
On a serious note - it could be a lot of things:
 
1. Kickdown relay if car is an Auto one
 
2. Faulty hall sender not sending impulses to the EZK
 
3. Faulty EZK
 
4. Faulty connection on the back of fuse/relay board.
 
My car had 3 and 4 and was sorted by Paul A, but not before some serious headscratching and me buying an EZK on eBay in Germany. They are rare as rocking horse s**t those things....
 
Hope that helps,
 
Alex
 
1984 928 S2 Manual
1990 928 GT
 


Colin Catherall <colincatherall at hotmail.com> wrote:
hi guys, beasty would not start tonight, listened for fuel pump and no noise at all, did the trick with the short bit of wire at the relay and the pump ran but the plugs where still dry, so no petrol getting through,  could do with some help please. and we were going out for dinner, bummer,   colin 83 s2

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

		
---------------------------------
To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050810/d8780d3c/attachment-0001.html>

From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Aug 11 02:16:43 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:16:43 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
In-Reply-To: <004701c59d8a$f603f7b0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <200508110116.j7B1Ghnu021766@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

JDSPorsche wrote:
> 
> ALL S4 and later cars have knock sensors.....the coding plug has options for 
> cat/noncat and also an octane setting for very poor fuel. This is never set 
> for the uk market.

Hi John and Richard

A little more of my reality re-organised.  Thanks.


-- 
Phil

Work is the curse of the drinking class.
        -- Oscar Wilde (1856-1900), Irish playwright


From robin at waikato.ac.nz  Thu Aug 11 02:27:46 2005
From: robin at waikato.ac.nz (Robin Dunmall)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:27:46 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol
Message-ID: <0404554D3407CE48A890D40B3C2035AF352297@ex1.its.waikato.ac.nz>

My Knock sensor seems to operate at just above 100kph but only when the
s/o is in the car
Weird that
Robin
78 928
87 924s
78 911c3

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Phil Chadwick
Sent: Thursday, 11 August 2005 1:17 p.m.
To: JDSPorsche
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Shell Optimax Petrol

JDSPorsche wrote:
> 
> ALL S4 and later cars have knock sensors.....the coding plug has
options for 
> cat/noncat and also an octane setting for very poor fuel. This is
never set 
> for the uk market.

Hi John and Richard

A little more of my reality re-organised.  Thanks.


-- 
Phil

Work is the curse of the drinking class.
        -- Oscar Wilde (1856-1900), Irish playwright
_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk



From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Aug 11 02:44:54 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:44:54 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] wont start
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F41F4C9E3102CE255594CAFC0BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200508110144.j7B1isWJ012193@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Colin Catherall wrote:

> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE><STRONG>hi guys, beasty would not start tonight, listened for fuel pump and no noise at all, did the trick with the short bit of&nbsp;wire at the relay&nbsp;and the pump ran but the plugs where still dry, so no petrol getting through,&nbsp; could do with some help please. and we were going out for dinner, bummer,&nbsp;&nbsp; colin 83 s2</STRONG></DIV></div></html>

Hi Colin,

You are implying that the relay is broken, but no fuel is arriving
when it's bypassed -- suggesting two problems.

Possible, but unlikely, I think.

I suggest that you re-confirm that the relay is broken.  I think that
the horn relay is the same.  If so, test the horn and switch it into
the fuel pump position.  Then listen for the fuel pump again.

The pump only runs when the engine is cranking.


-- 
Phil

I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability.
        -- Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) 


From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Aug 11 02:47:42 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:47:42 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Tyre Changing
In-Reply-To: <100.193e306a.302bbf8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200508110147.j7B1lgPq014565@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Dk928 at aol.com wrote:
>  
> I'm having some new tyres fitted onto some nice new alloys and wondered if  
> there's a kinder way to fit them that avoids scratching the rims.... the usual  
> tyre removal/fitting machine used by my local centre looks a bit dodgy for 
> new  shiny alloys !!
>  
> Or am I being paranoid ?

Oh no, you are not being paranoid.  Novices can run the
bead remover right around touching the rim, and bruise it!

The best defence is an experienced operator.  Find one.


-- 
Phil

I have seen enough of one war never to wish to see another.
        -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), third US President


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Aug 11 04:30:22 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:30:22 GMT
Subject: [928uk] knock sensor failures -
Message-ID: <20050811033022.48BB66889CE@viper.snap.net.nz>

S2 - shness 2

A good old K-jetronic S is what you need for reliability, the only 
electronics in the injection system is inside the fuel pump relay.

Smiffy

> knock sensor failures - shnock sensor failures....
>  
> You should all get S2-engined cars... 
>  
> Alex 
>  
> 928 S2 Manual
> 928 GT




From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 07:13:51 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:13:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
Message-ID: <98697a43050810231348f8ad52@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone suggest a cheap tyre fitter anywhere near west London. At
the momemnt I'm paying ?10 per wheel including balancing and disposal
of the old tyre.

Thanks

Paul


From red928gt at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 08:38:36 2005
From: red928gt at hotmail.co.uk (Rhys Williams)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:38:36 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
Message-ID: <BAY15-F23352B3E7324686E9BF749C1BD0@phx.gbl>

Hello, I want to get 17" Cup or 993 wheels for my 89 GT.  I tried Jasmine 
but they seem a bit expensive at ?1100+vat (including bridgestone tyres)

Anyone know of a good supplier?


Rhys

_________________________________________________________________
Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends 
http://messenger.msn.co.uk



From Dk928 at aol.com  Thu Aug 11 10:03:24 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:03:24 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
Message-ID: <159.56be94b5.302c6e5c@aol.com>

 
Hi Rhys
 
!7" Cups, 7J & 8J sets or 8J & 9J sets with correct  offsets  65mm front and 
52mm rear seem to be  as scarse as  rocking horse shit. I've been looking out 
for ages for a set for my S4.
 
A lot of the guys compromise with 55mm offsets all round ( quite easy  to 
come across ) but if you follow the advice you see on the list from the  guys who 
know you'd probably not want to go this route.
 
Keep on looking... good luck....if you find 2 sets please let me know  !!
 
Regards
Dave

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050811/7616016f/attachment-0001.html>

From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Thu Aug 11 10:29:26 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:29:26 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
In-Reply-To: <159.56be94b5.302c6e5c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDAELNCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

55ET (Offset) at the front is probably about as little as you would want to
go with an 8.5" front wheel. This will drive fine as long as the alignment
is spot on. With a 9" front wheel you need to be looking at a minimum of
about 60mm. Ideally you would be looking for a 72mm offset for a 9" wheel or
75mm for a 9.5"wheel. It is almost impossible to put anything bigger on a
928 front without modifying the suspension drastically.

If you really need to go this wide (275mm wide fronts and 315 wide rears
maybe?) then you shold be looking at Three piece wheels - 928 Specialists
sells kinesis 3pc in the correct offsets to fit straight on at these srts of
sizes.

Before you go this route - sort out the alignment on your standard wheels -
it will pay more dividends than you would believe.

Jon in NZ
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Dk928 at aol.com
  Sent: 11 August 2005 21:03
  To: red928gt at hotmail.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.


  Hi Rhys

  !7" Cups, 7J & 8J sets or 8J & 9J sets with correct offsets  65mm front
and 52mm rear seem to be  as scarse as rocking horse shit. I've been looking
out for ages for a set for my S4.

  A lot of the guys compromise with 55mm offsets all round ( quite easy to
come across ) but if you follow the advice you see on the list from the guys
who know you'd probably not want to go this route.

  Keep on looking... good luck....if you find 2 sets please let me know !!

  Regards
  Dave
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050811/31633faa/attachment-0001.html>

From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 10:59:53 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:59:53 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
Message-ID: <01b201c59e5b$6bfccf70$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hi Folks,
You may remember that I was having problems with my battery draining completely with the car left standing for only a few days.
Well following peoples advice I have now looked into this and can report the following :-

When I removed the fuse box cover I was amazed to find a 4 page booklet detailing all the fuses and relays tucked into a clear wallet on the 
inside of the wooden cover, would have expected that to have long since dissappeared!
I then rigged up a DVM so that it was next to me in the passenger footwell so I could read the current, as one by one I pulled all the fuses.
Incidentally with everything off and hatch open current draw was 500mA.
When I got to fuse no.24 the current dropped to 150mA. Knowing this was still a bit high I looked for the connector in the boot that you can
disconnect to turn off the rear hatch light (with hatch open the light was not ON anyway - which had me worried). I couldn't find this but noticed that the
wires coming from the hatch spring (brown \ brown-white) ran for a few inches and then were connected via soldering and heat shrink directly into the
main loom (brown wire connected to 2 other brown wires and brown-white connected to another brown white). With hatch light still not on i decided
to press down on the hatch spring in order to break the electrical contact with the hatch spring. Low and behold the current then dropped from 
150mA to 30mA. 

So I have a 120mA draw on the hatch when it is open but no sign of the hatch light iluminating?
Plus a 350mA draw when fuse 24 is in place?

Another thing I noticed while fiddling around the hatch area was that the hatch release motor 4 pin connector had been disconnected.
So I plugged it back in and found that the motor was driving continuously. So disconnected it again and then to my dismay found that
I couldnt close the hatch - the latch wouldn't catch. I am assuming that the latch motor stopped in the disengage position when I pulled
the power. So my fix for this was to totally remove the hatch release motor and be done with it. 
I guess this problem with the hatch release mechanism may tie in to the fact that I noticed fuse2 the 'ciggarete lighter' had been removed 
from the fuse box and that fuse 26 'Tail gate' release (1amp) had been replaced with a 10amp fuse. 
Unless anyone has an idea where to look to try and diagnose this one I may just leave it untill later, can the hatch release switch cause problems -
possibly shorting the circuit continuosly on?

I now have a few questions for the 928 wise out there :-
1) In the interim can the car be run without fuse 24 in place (Diagnostic connector, Current Pulse tailgate, Interior Lights)
    Have not wanted to try yet as I dont know what Diagnostic connector & Current Pulse tailgate are all about? 

2) Has anyone had a similar drain as a result of the Fuse24 circuit or any idea where to start looking?
    Diagnosing was the easy part - fixing it now thats a different matter.

Best Regards,

Andy
(88 S4 Auto)




  

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050811/7846e03a/attachment-0001.html>

From angusf at mac.com  Thu Aug 11 11:35:50 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:35:50 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 S4 "Za.Riem"
Message-ID: <10407855.1123756550759.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

Ian I forwarded your note to the mail list - someone will know :-)
(Listers Please reply all so Ian gets the reply....)

Angus

This is an enquiry e-mail from Ian

What does the warning light mean
It is the topmost one on the Temp/Fuel Gauge at 12o'clock.

It is in german and says  "Za.Riem" with a sausage shape symbol next to it.
My car is originally a 1987 928 S4 LHD German/Belgian car recently imported from Japan.

The warning light comes on occasionally and only when going up steep hills or round sharp negative camber bends ?
I know what all the others mean but this one has foxed me.  Is it Timing belt, Auto Tranmsission Fluid Warning Light or something ?

No one seems to know what it means. 
--
Sent from my .mac webmail account


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Aug 11 11:41:06 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:41:06 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
References: <01b201c59e5b$6bfccf70$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <001901c59e61$2f1ec850$57667cca@computername>

First thing you need to do is print out the wiring diagrams. Then absorb the explanation 
section so you understand how wires connect between different diagrams.

All browns are not the same. Some are permanent earths, some are switched earths for the 
interior lights and tailgate release. One guess would be that someone has mixed these up.

Some of your unexplained current drain could be the red lights in the back edges of the 
doors. These will probably be on when the tailgate is open even though you can't see them.

"Diagnostic connector" just means power for the diagnostic 'hammer', which only matters if 
you have one plugged in to the diagnostic connector, so forget about that.
"Current Pulse tailgate" just means the power that is used when the tailgate release 
buttons are pulled. Only a pulse is needed to get the motor started, as the motor has a 
"self-parking" action like the windscreen wipers, provided from a different fuse.

Smiffy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Brown" <andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis


Hi Folks,
You may remember that I was having problems with my battery draining completely with the 
car left standing for only a few days.
Well following peoples advice I have now looked into this and can report the following :-

When I removed the fuse box cover I was amazed to find a 4 page booklet detailing all the 
fuses and relays tucked into a clear wallet on the
inside of the wooden cover, would have expected that to have long since dissappeared!
I then rigged up a DVM so that it was next to me in the passenger footwell so I could read 
the current, as one by one I pulled all the fuses.
Incidentally with everything off and hatch open current draw was 500mA.
When I got to fuse no.24 the current dropped to 150mA. Knowing this was still a bit high I 
looked for the connector in the boot that you can
disconnect to turn off the rear hatch light (with hatch open the light was not ON anyway - 
which had me worried). I couldn't find this but noticed that the
wires coming from the hatch spring (brown \ brown-white) ran for a few inches and then 
were connected via soldering and heat shrink directly into the
main loom (brown wire connected to 2 other brown wires and brown-white connected to 
another brown white). With hatch light still not on i decided
to press down on the hatch spring in order to break the electrical contact with the hatch 
spring. Low and behold the current then dropped from
150mA to 30mA.

So I have a 120mA draw on the hatch when it is open but no sign of the hatch light 
iluminating?
Plus a 350mA draw when fuse 24 is in place?

Another thing I noticed while fiddling around the hatch area was that the hatch release 
motor 4 pin connector had been disconnected.
So I plugged it back in and found that the motor was driving continuously. So disconnected 
it again and then to my dismay found that
I couldnt close the hatch - the latch wouldn't catch. I am assuming that the latch motor 
stopped in the disengage position when I pulled
the power. So my fix for this was to totally remove the hatch release motor and be done 
with it.
I guess this problem with the hatch release mechanism may tie in to the fact that I 
noticed fuse2 the 'ciggarete lighter' had been removed
from the fuse box and that fuse 26 'Tail gate' release (1amp) had been replaced with a 
10amp fuse.
Unless anyone has an idea where to look to try and diagnose this one I may just leave it 
untill later, can the hatch release switch cause problems -
possibly shorting the circuit continuosly on?

I now have a few questions for the 928 wise out there :-
1) In the interim can the car be run without fuse 24 in place (Diagnostic connector, 
Current Pulse tailgate, Interior Lights)
    Have not wanted to try yet as I dont know what Diagnostic connector & Current Pulse 
tailgate are all about?

2) Has anyone had a similar drain as a result of the Fuse24 circuit or any idea where to 
start looking?
    Diagnosing was the easy part - fixing it now thats a different matter.

Best Regards,

Andy
(88 S4 Auto)









--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Thu Aug 11 11:56:13 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:56:13 +1200
Subject: [928uk] 928 S4 "Za.Riem"
References: <10407855.1123756550759.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c59e63$4b3320c0$57667cca@computername>

Belt translates to Riemen, and that is the correct position for the timing belt tension 
warning light.

First thing to do is get the timing belt tension checked by someone who understands 928s.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angus" <angusf at mac.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Cc: <ianbooker at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: [928uk] 928 S4 "Za.Riem"


> Ian I forwarded your note to the mail list - someone will know :-)
> (Listers Please reply all so Ian gets the reply....)
>
> Angus
>
> This is an enquiry e-mail from Ian
>
> What does the warning light mean
> It is the topmost one on the Temp/Fuel Gauge at 12o'clock.
>
> It is in german and says  "Za.Riem" with a sausage shape symbol next to it.
> My car is originally a 1987 928 S4 LHD German/Belgian car recently imported from Japan.
>
> The warning light comes on occasionally and only when going up steep hills or round 
> sharp negative camber bends ?
> I know what all the others mean but this one has foxed me.  Is it Timing belt, Auto 
> Tranmsission Fluid Warning Light or something ?
>
> No one seems to know what it means.



From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 12:43:08 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:43:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
References: <01b201c59e5b$6bfccf70$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
	<001901c59e61$2f1ec850$57667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <021001c59e69$d86d8ce0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Thanks for the reply Smiffy,
I guess that means its safe to drive the car in the interim as I have
removed the tailgate release motor from the car completely, and
so have no need of the 'current pulse tailgate' or diagnostic connector.
Since both cigarette lighter fuses and tailgate release fuses have
both been removed from the car and the current drain remains the same with
fuse24 in then would I be correct in assuming that the current
drain lies purely within the interior lights circuitry?

I was always a bit wary of these anyway as i did notice that by switching
the interior dome light to come on when doors were opened that this caused
arcing while driving along also when permanently switched on. So since then
all interior lights have been switched to the off position. Maybe I should
pull the dome switch out along with the rear hatch light and investigate
further
(hopefully just maybe a loose or frayed wire).

Cheers,
Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at snap.net.nz>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis


> First thing you need to do is print out the wiring diagrams. Then absorb
the explanation
> section so you understand how wires connect between different diagrams.
>
> All browns are not the same. Some are permanent earths, some are switched
earths for the
> interior lights and tailgate release. One guess would be that someone has
mixed these up.
>
> Some of your unexplained current drain could be the red lights in the back
edges of the
> doors. These will probably be on when the tailgate is open even though you
can't see them.
>
> "Diagnostic connector" just means power for the diagnostic 'hammer', which
only matters if
> you have one plugged in to the diagnostic connector, so forget about that.
> "Current Pulse tailgate" just means the power that is used when the
tailgate release
> buttons are pulled. Only a pulse is needed to get the motor started, as
the motor has a
> "self-parking" action like the windscreen wipers, provided from a
different fuse.
>
> Smiffy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Brown" <andy-brown at tritech.co.uk>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:59 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
>
>
> Hi Folks,
> You may remember that I was having problems with my battery draining
completely with the
> car left standing for only a few days.
> Well following peoples advice I have now looked into this and can report
the following :-
>
> When I removed the fuse box cover I was amazed to find a 4 page booklet
detailing all the
> fuses and relays tucked into a clear wallet on the
> inside of the wooden cover, would have expected that to have long since
dissappeared!
> I then rigged up a DVM so that it was next to me in the passenger footwell
so I could read
> the current, as one by one I pulled all the fuses.
> Incidentally with everything off and hatch open current draw was 500mA.
> When I got to fuse no.24 the current dropped to 150mA. Knowing this was
still a bit high I
> looked for the connector in the boot that you can
> disconnect to turn off the rear hatch light (with hatch open the light was
not ON anyway -
> which had me worried). I couldn't find this but noticed that the
> wires coming from the hatch spring (brown \ brown-white) ran for a few
inches and then
> were connected via soldering and heat shrink directly into the
> main loom (brown wire connected to 2 other brown wires and brown-white
connected to
> another brown white). With hatch light still not on i decided
> to press down on the hatch spring in order to break the electrical contact
with the hatch
> spring. Low and behold the current then dropped from
> 150mA to 30mA.
>
> So I have a 120mA draw on the hatch when it is open but no sign of the
hatch light
> iluminating?
> Plus a 350mA draw when fuse 24 is in place?
>
> Another thing I noticed while fiddling around the hatch area was that the
hatch release
> motor 4 pin connector had been disconnected.
> So I plugged it back in and found that the motor was driving continuously.
So disconnected
> it again and then to my dismay found that
> I couldnt close the hatch - the latch wouldn't catch. I am assuming that
the latch motor
> stopped in the disengage position when I pulled
> the power. So my fix for this was to totally remove the hatch release
motor and be done
> with it.
> I guess this problem with the hatch release mechanism may tie in to the
fact that I
> noticed fuse2 the 'ciggarete lighter' had been removed
> from the fuse box and that fuse 26 'Tail gate' release (1amp) had been
replaced with a
> 10amp fuse.
> Unless anyone has an idea where to look to try and diagnose this one I may
just leave it
> untill later, can the hatch release switch cause problems -
> possibly shorting the circuit continuosly on?
>
> I now have a few questions for the 928 wise out there :-
> 1) In the interim can the car be run without fuse 24 in place (Diagnostic
connector,
> Current Pulse tailgate, Interior Lights)
>     Have not wanted to try yet as I dont know what Diagnostic connector &
Current Pulse
> tailgate are all about?
>
> 2) Has anyone had a similar drain as a result of the Fuse24 circuit or any
idea where to
> start looking?
>     Diagnosing was the easy part - fixing it now thats a different matter.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
> (88 S4 Auto)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk




From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Thu Aug 11 14:28:22 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:28:22 +0200
Subject: [928uk] 928 S4 "Za.Riem"
References: <10407855.1123756550759.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005101c59e78$8bfdfe30$035b48c3@JDW>

Hi Ian,

Za.Riem can only mean Zahnriem which if you translate free means "tooth 
belt", i guess it's the timing belt than.

Cheers,
Jerry



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angus" <angusf at mac.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Cc: <ianbooker at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [928uk] 928 S4 "Za.Riem"


> Ian I forwarded your note to the mail list - someone will know :-)
> (Listers Please reply all so Ian gets the reply....)
>
> Angus
>
> This is an enquiry e-mail from Ian
>
> What does the warning light mean
> It is the topmost one on the Temp/Fuel Gauge at 12o'clock.
>
> It is in german and says  "Za.Riem" with a sausage shape symbol next to 
> it.
> My car is originally a 1987 928 S4 LHD German/Belgian car recently 
> imported from Japan.
>
> The warning light comes on occasionally and only when going up steep hills 
> or round sharp negative camber bends ?
> I know what all the others mean but this one has foxed me.  Is it Timing 
> belt, Auto Tranmsission Fluid Warning Light or something ?
>
> No one seems to know what it means.
> --
> Sent from my .mac webmail account
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 16:03:01 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:03:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
References: <98697a43050810231348f8ad52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c59e85$cb8a3ac0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Look on the web sites for MyTyres and BlackCircles.

I can't remember which one, but one has a locator option where you put
in your post code and it gives local tyre fitting services with prices.

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul
  To: 928UK
  Sent: 11 August 2005 07:13
  Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter


  Can anyone suggest a cheap tyre fitter anywhere near west London. At
  the momemnt I'm paying ?10 per wheel including balancing and disposal
  of the old tyre.

  Thanks

  Paul
  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 15:57:07 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:57:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tyre Changing
References: <100.193e306a.302bbf8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c59e85$cae26200$02000003@oemcomputer>

Where in the country are you located ??

George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dk928 at aol.com
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 10 August 2005 21:37
  Subject: [928uk] Tyre Changing


  Hi Guys

  I'm having some new tyres fitted onto some nice new alloys and
wondered if there's a kinder way to fit them that avoids scratching the
rims.... the usual tyre removal/fitting machine used by my local centre
looks a bit dodgy for new shiny alloys !!

  Or am I being paranoid ?

  Thanks
  Dave


------------------------------------------------------------------------
------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


------------------------------------------------------------------------
------


  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 19:01:30 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:01:30 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
In-Reply-To: <004d01c59e85$cb8a3ac0$02000003@oemcomputer>
References: <98697a43050810231348f8ad52@mail.gmail.com>
	<004d01c59e85$cb8a3ac0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <98697a43050811110139b2a49e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks George

I've tried the MyTyres locator, but sadly their prices are extremely
optomistic. It seems many tyre fitters are making up for lost income
on tyre sales by charging much higher prices for fitting than was the
case a few years ago.

Paul



On 8/11/05, George Layton <George.Layton at ukgateway.net> wrote:
> Look on the web sites for MyTyres and BlackCircles.
> 
> I can't remember which one, but one has a locator option where you put
> in your post code and it gives local tyre fitting services with prices.
> 
> George.
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Paul
>  To: 928UK
>  Sent: 11 August 2005 07:13
>  Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
> 
> 
>  Can anyone suggest a cheap tyre fitter anywhere near west London. At
>  the momemnt I'm paying ?10 per wheel including balancing and disposal
>  of the old tyre.
> 
>  Thanks
> 
>  Paul
>  _______________________________________________
>  928uk mailing list
>  928uk at 928.org.uk
>  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  928.org.uk
> 
> 
>  --
>  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
>  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
> 09/08/2005
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 19:07:19 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:07:19 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
In-Reply-To: <021001c59e69$d86d8ce0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
References: <01b201c59e5b$6bfccf70$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
	<001901c59e61$2f1ec850$57667cca@computername>
	<021001c59e69$d86d8ce0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <98697a4305081111072b63ed6f@mail.gmail.com>

Equally likely that one or more of the interior ligts has been fitted
incorrectly. Mine were mostly wired incorrectly when I bought my car.
Latter after the rear screen was replaced the tailgate light
connectors were shorting against the bodywork. It's not immediately
obvious how they should be connected, but luckily there are only three
connectors.

Good luck

Paul


On 8/11/05, Andy Brown <andy-brown at tritech.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Smiffy,
> I guess that means its safe to drive the car in the interim as I have
> removed the tailgate release motor from the car completely, and
> so have no need of the 'current pulse tailgate' or diagnostic connector.
> Since both cigarette lighter fuses and tailgate release fuses have
> both been removed from the car and the current drain remains the same with
> fuse24 in then would I be correct in assuming that the current
> drain lies purely within the interior lights circuitry?
> 
> I was always a bit wary of these anyway as i did notice that by switching
> the interior dome light to come on when doors were opened that this caused
> arcing while driving along also when permanently switched on. So since then
> all interior lights have been switched to the off position. Maybe I should
> pull the dome switch out along with the rear hatch light and investigate
> further
> (hopefully just maybe a loose or frayed wire).
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
>


From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 16:08:34 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:08:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
References: <BAY15-F23352B3E7324686E9BF749C1BD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001c59ea3$43084340$02000003@oemcomputer>

Do you want genuine Porsche wheels or are you happy with aftermarket
replicas ??

The offset will be different but you'll have that issue anyway with
putting 17 inch Cup wheels on a GT.

I think Cup1 wheels were fitted to the 1992 and 1993 GTS.  Cup2 wheels
were fitted to the 1994 and 1995 GTS.

As I understand it, Cup2 wheels are known as 993's.

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rhys Williams
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 11 August 2005 08:38
  Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.


  Hello, I want to get 17" Cup or 993 wheels for my 89 GT.  I tried
Jasmine
  but they seem a bit expensive at ?1100+vat (including bridgestone
tyres)

  Anyone know of a good supplier?


  Rhys

  _________________________________________________________________
  Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends
  http://messenger.msn.co.uk

  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 16:22:54 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:22:54 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
References: <159.56be94b5.302c6e5c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101c59ea3$43bf5e40$02000003@oemcomputer>

On a 1995 GTS, the standard wheel set is:
Front 17 inch x 7.5J with 65 mm offset
Rear 17 inch x 9.0J with 55 mm offset (plus the factory fitted spacer
which is 35 mm)

The offset debate is up there with "which is the best oil for my 928"
:0(

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dk928 at aol.com
  To: red928gt at hotmail.co.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 11 August 2005 10:03
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.


  Hi Rhys

  !7" Cups, 7J & 8J sets or 8J & 9J sets with correct offsets  65mm
front and 52mm rear seem to be  as scarse as rocking horse shit. I've
been looking out for ages for a set for my S4.

  A lot of the guys compromise with 55mm offsets all round ( quite easy
to come across ) but if you follow the advice you see on the list from
the guys who know you'd probably not want to go this route.

  Keep on looking... good luck....if you find 2 sets please let me know
!!

  Regards
  Dave


------------------------------------------------------------------------
------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


------------------------------------------------------------------------
------


  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 19:44:19 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:44:19 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
Message-ID: <000e01c59ea4$b4bdf420$02000003@oemcomputer>

Thinking about this a bit more, ?1100 plus VAT = ?1292.50 is not a bad
price really - as long as they are genuine Porsche wheels which have
been refurbished to a high standard.

My front replica 993 wheels cost ?125 each (including VAT) 4 years ago.
The rears would have cost more as they are bigger.  So assume a set of 4
would now cost ?600.

A set of 4 Bridgestone S02 N3 tyres now cost around ?520 including
fitting, balancing and VAT.

This gives a total of ?1120, and this is for replicas, not genuine
Porsche.

I know that back in 1998 when I had a front wheel replaced following an
accident, the price from Porsche was about ?600 - just for the wheel !!

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Layton
  To: 928UK
  Sent: 11 August 2005 16:08
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.


  Do you want genuine Porsche wheels or are you happy with aftermarket
  replicas ??

  The offset will be different but you'll have that issue anyway with
  putting 17 inch Cup wheels on a GT.

  I think Cup1 wheels were fitted to the 1992 and 1993 GTS.  Cup2 wheels
  were fitted to the 1994 and 1995 GTS.

  As I understand it, Cup2 wheels are known as 993's.

  George.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rhys Williams
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Sent: 11 August 2005 08:38
    Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.


    Hello, I want to get 17" Cup or 993 wheels for my 89 GT.  I tried
  Jasmine
    but they seem a bit expensive at ?1100+vat (including bridgestone
  tyres)

    Anyone know of a good supplier?


    Rhys

    _________________________________________________________________
    Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends
    http://messenger.msn.co.uk

    _______________________________________________
    928uk mailing list
    928uk at 928.org.uk
    http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
    928.org.uk


    -- 
    No virus found in this incoming message for George.
    Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
    Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
  09/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 19:47:19 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:47:19 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tyre Changing
References: <1a1.399bf8a3.302cf0eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005101c59ea8$f8afeae0$02000003@oemcomputer>

<Harrogate, North Yorkshire>

Can't help you there then.

I usually take my passport when I'm going that far north :0)

George.
(Suvvern Git)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dk928 at aol.com
  To: George.Layton at ukgateway.net
  Sent: 11 August 2005 19:20
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyre Changing


  Harrogate, North Yorkshire

  OK Yaa !!

   Dave


------------------------------------------------------------------------
------


  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 19:58:41 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:58:41 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
References: <01b201c59e5b$6bfccf70$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local><001901c59e61$2f1ec850$57667cca@computername><021001c59e69$d86d8ce0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
	<98697a4305081111072b63ed6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005201c59ea8$f957c3a0$02000003@oemcomputer>

I don't think it's relevant to your current problems (pardon the pun),
but just in case you start trying to sort out the wiring in the
tailgate:

I was recently doing some wiring in the rear roof & tailgate on my GTS
to install a third brake light.  Whilst trying to trace all the existing
wiring I got a bit confused.  There are 3 wires which connect to the
light in the top part of the tailgate, and these then run down inside
the tailgate side trim to the light at the bottom of the tailgate.
There is another set of three wires which run down the other side of the
tailgate, under the trim, and these are exactly the same colour-codes as
those for the lights.  I couldn't understand why there needed to be 2
sets of wires down to the lights.

After much scrutiny of the wiring diagrams I discovered that the second
set go to the tailgate key/lock and are part of the system that disarms
the Porsche alarm when you open the tailgate with a key :0)

Just in case it helps !!

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul
  To: Andy Brown
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 11 August 2005 19:07
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis


  Equally likely that one or more of the interior ligts has been fitted
  incorrectly. Mine were mostly wired incorrectly when I bought my car.
  Latter after the rear screen was replaced the tailgate light
  connectors were shorting against the bodywork. It's not immediately
  obvious how they should be connected, but luckily there are only three
  connectors.

  Good luck

  Paul


  On 8/11/05, Andy Brown <andy-brown at tritech.co.uk> wrote:
  > Thanks for the reply Smiffy,
  > I guess that means its safe to drive the car in the interim as I
have
  > removed the tailgate release motor from the car completely, and
  > so have no need of the 'current pulse tailgate' or diagnostic
connector.
  > Since both cigarette lighter fuses and tailgate release fuses have
  > both been removed from the car and the current drain remains the
same with
  > fuse24 in then would I be correct in assuming that the current
  > drain lies purely within the interior lights circuitry?
  >
  > I was always a bit wary of these anyway as i did notice that by
switching
  > the interior dome light to come on when doors were opened that this
caused
  > arcing while driving along also when permanently switched on. So
since then
  > all interior lights have been switched to the off position. Maybe I
should
  > pull the dome switch out along with the rear hatch light and
investigate
  > further
  > (hopefully just maybe a loose or frayed wire).
  >
  > Cheers,
  > Andy
  >
  >
  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Aug 11 20:14:02 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:14:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 UK Herts Meet
Message-ID: <005401c59ea8$fad9cfc0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Congratulations to David McL for organising the meet at The Three
Horseshoes last night.

Getting 10 or 11 928's to turn up at the same time to any event is quite
an achievement.

It was a great evening, the weather was good and the venue an excellent
choice.

As usual, once talking about 928's the time seemed to fly past and I did
not get to see everyone's cars.  Hopefully next time I can correct that.

I'm pretty good at remembering faces and 928's, but I'm crap at
remembering names.  Perhaps a details list for "928 Herts" would be
useful??  I'm quite happy to compile this if everyone sends me the
relevant info.

My suggestion, with personal example to illustrate format, would be:

Name: George Layton
Location: Old Hatfield
Year: 1995
Model: GTS
Transmission: Auto
Exterior Colour: Midnight Blue Metallic
Interior Colour: Marble Grey & Midnight Blue
Registration: GTL 300

George.



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com  Thu Aug 11 21:15:13 2005
From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:15:13 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
In-Reply-To: <98697a43050811110139b2a49e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201c59eb1$622db5d0$ad00a8c0@T9100>

10-12 pounds is about the going rate - what were you expecting to pay?

Nick C.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 11 August 2005 19:02
To: George Layton
Cc: 928UK
Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter


Thanks George

I've tried the MyTyres locator, but sadly their prices are extremely
optomistic. It seems many tyre fitters are making up for lost income
on tyre sales by charging much higher prices for fitting than was the
case a few years ago.

Paul



On 8/11/05, George Layton <George.Layton at ukgateway.net> wrote:
> Look on the web sites for MyTyres and BlackCircles.
>
> I can't remember which one, but one has a locator option where you put
> in your post code and it gives local tyre fitting services with prices.
>
> George.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Paul
>  To: 928UK
>  Sent: 11 August 2005 07:13
>  Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
>
>
>  Can anyone suggest a cheap tyre fitter anywhere near west London. At
>  the momemnt I'm paying ?10 per wheel including balancing and disposal
>  of the old tyre.
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Paul
>  _______________________________________________
>  928uk mailing list
>  928uk at 928.org.uk
>  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>  928.org.uk
>
>
>  --
>  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
>  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
> 09/08/2005
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.6/69 - Release Date: 11/08/2005




From colincatherall at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 11 22:50:36 2005
From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:50:36 +0000
Subject: [928uk] test
Message-ID: <BAY101-F24FB94FB12D9CD3D08F691C0BD0@phx.gbl>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050811/5d943a0b/attachment-0001.html>

From colincatherall at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 11 23:18:00 2005
From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:18:00 +0000
Subject: [928uk] wont start
Message-ID: <BAY101-F1852649B7EBA5352D6A752C0BD0@phx.gbl>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050811/7ecb2122/attachment-0001.html>

From walton_geof944 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 23:32:35 2005
From: walton_geof944 at yahoo.co.uk (Geoffrey Walton)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:32:35 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] servicing
Message-ID: <20050811223235.32271.qmail@web86907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Anyone seen or spoken to Paul Anderson recently ?
Geof Walton


		
___________________________________________________________ 
To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com


From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 23:48:10 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:48:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 UK Herts Meet
In-Reply-To: <005401c59ea8$fad9cfc0$02000003@oemcomputer>
References: <005401c59ea8$fad9cfc0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <98697a4305081115485a320e6f@mail.gmail.com>

Name: Paul
Location: Ealing
Year: 1987
Model: S4
Transmission: Manual
Exterior Colour: Marine Blue
Interior Colour: Navy & Cream!


Sorry I never got round to saying Hi, but I did stand guard when that
rather large Amercian car was trying to park! (what on earth was it
anyway?)

Paul


On 8/11/05, George Layton <George.Layton at ukgateway.net> wrote:
> Congratulations to David McL for organising the meet at The Three
> Horseshoes last night.
> 
> Getting 10 or 11 928's to turn up at the same time to any event is quite
> an achievement.
> 
> It was a great evening, the weather was good and the venue an excellent
> choice.
> 
> As usual, once talking about 928's the time seemed to fly past and I did
> not get to see everyone's cars.  Hopefully next time I can correct that.
> 
> I'm pretty good at remembering faces and 928's, but I'm crap at
> remembering names.  Perhaps a details list for "928 Herts" would be
> useful??  I'm quite happy to compile this if everyone sends me the
> relevant info.
> 
> My suggestion, with personal example to illustrate format, would be:
> 
> Name: George Layton
> Location: Old Hatfield
> Year: 1995
> Model: GTS
> Transmission: Auto
> Exterior Colour: Midnight Blue Metallic
> Interior Colour: Marble Grey & Midnight Blue
> Registration: GTL 300
> 
> George.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 23:52:40 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:52:40 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Movie Star
Message-ID: <98697a4305081115524e0947da@mail.gmail.com>

Just saw a trailer for "The Business"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429715/

Featuring in several scenes was a silver S or perhaps S2, I was so
surprised I forgot to try to work out which!


Paul
87 S4 Manual


From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 23:54:25 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:54:25 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
In-Reply-To: <000201c59eb1$622db5d0$ad00a8c0@T9100>
References: <98697a43050811110139b2a49e@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201c59eb1$622db5d0$ad00a8c0@T9100>
Message-ID: <98697a4305081115544f942409@mail.gmail.com>

I'm expecting to pay ?10, but I'd rather pay less. However since I've
just bought a pair of Bridgestone S03's with 7mm tread for ?30 I guess
I shouldn't complain too much...



On 8/11/05, Nick Carrington <nick.carrington at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 10-12 pounds is about the going rate - what were you expecting to pay?
> 
> Nick C.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: 11 August 2005 19:02
> To: George Layton
> Cc: 928UK
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
> 
> 
> Thanks George
> 
> I've tried the MyTyres locator, but sadly their prices are extremely
> optomistic. It seems many tyre fitters are making up for lost income
> on tyre sales by charging much higher prices for fitting than was the
> case a few years ago.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/11/05, George Layton <George.Layton at ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > Look on the web sites for MyTyres and BlackCircles.
> >
> > I can't remember which one, but one has a locator option where you put
> > in your post code and it gives local tyre fitting services with prices.
> >
> > George.
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: Paul
> >  To: 928UK
> >  Sent: 11 August 2005 07:13
> >  Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
> >
> >
> >  Can anyone suggest a cheap tyre fitter anywhere near west London. At
> >  the momemnt I'm paying ?10 per wheel including balancing and disposal
> >  of the old tyre.
> >
> >  Thanks
> >
> >  Paul
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  928uk mailing list
> >  928uk at 928.org.uk
> >  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> >  928.org.uk
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
> >  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> >  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
> > 09/08/2005
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> >
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.6/69 - Release Date: 11/08/2005
> 
> 
>


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Fri Aug 12 02:29:50 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:29:50 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
Message-ID: <20050812012950.ECA1A688A00@viper.snap.net.nz>

Unlike the oil debate (where there are many valid variables) there is only 
one right answer for the front rim offset on a 928. I beleive they tried a 
different one once, but immediatly went back to 65. 

The only valid reason for going to 17"rims is to make the car hold the 
road better, so why compromise the high speed/braking stability by using a 
wrong offset? ("looks" is not a valid reason!)

Smiffy

> On a 1995 GTS, the standard wheel set is:
> Front 17 inch x 7.5J with 65 mm offset
> Rear 17 inch x 9.0J with 55 mm offset (plus the factory fitted spacer
> which is 35 mm)
> 
> The offset debate is up there with "which is the best oil for my 928"
> :0(
> 
> George.
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Dk928 at aol.com
>   To: red928gt at hotmail.co.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   Sent: 11 August 2005 10:03
>   Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
> 
> 
>   Hi Rhys
> 
>   !7" Cups, 7J & 8J sets or 8J & 9J sets with correct offsets  65mm
> front and 52mm rear seem to be  as scarse as rocking horse shit. I've
> been looking out for ages for a set for my S4.
> 
>   A lot of the guys compromise with 55mm offsets all round ( quite easy
> to come across ) but if you follow the advice you see on the list from
> the guys who know you'd probably not want to go this route.
> 
>   Keep on looking... good luck....if you find 2 sets please let me know
> !!
> 
>   Regards
>   Dave
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> 
> 
>   _______________________________________________
>   928uk mailing list
>   928uk at 928.org.uk
>   http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>   928.org.uk
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> 
> 
>   No virus found in this incoming message for George.
>   Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>   Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
> 09/08/2005
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk




From richard at ritech-systems.com  Fri Aug 12 07:41:04 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:41:04 +0100
Subject: [928uk] servicing
In-Reply-To: <20050811223235.32271.qmail@web86907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20050811223235.32271.qmail@web86907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Z2lXAPeASE$CFwLf@ritech-systems.com>

I think he's on holiday

Richard


In message <20050811223235.32271.qmail at web86907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, 
Geoffrey Walton <walton_geof944 at yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Anyone seen or spoken to Paul Anderson recently ?
>Geof Walton
>
>
>
>___________________________________________________________
>To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new 
>Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk
>

-- 
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made,
in a narrow field.
   -- Niels Bohr
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From christian.w at virgin.net  Fri Aug 12 07:53:23 2005
From: christian.w at virgin.net (Christian Williams)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:53:23 +0100
Subject: [928uk] servicing
References: <20050811223235.32271.qmail@web86907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<Z2lXAPeASE$CFwLf@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <000801c59f0a$88b8f800$f71a1452@Christian>

I spoke to Paul @ CC last weekend - he was planning a week or two away on holiday.
Christian
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Armstrong 
  To: Geoffrey Walton 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] servicing


  I think he's on holiday

  Richard


  In message <20050811223235.32271.qmail at web86907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, 
  Geoffrey Walton <walton_geof944 at yahoo.co.uk> writes
  >Anyone seen or spoken to Paul Anderson recently ?
  >Geof Walton
  >
  >
  >
  >___________________________________________________________
  >To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new 
  >Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
  >_______________________________________________
  >928uk mailing list
  >928uk at 928.org.uk
  >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  >928.org.uk
  >

  -- 
  An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made,
  in a narrow field.
     -- Niels Bohr
  ---------------------

  RITECH Systems Ltd
  www.ritech-systems.com
  Tel: 01380 818094
  Mob: 07702 541137

  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050812/eef04a74/attachment-0001.html>

From Dk928 at aol.com  Fri Aug 12 09:33:39 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:33:39 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Cheap Tyre Fitter
Message-ID: <202.79a8df4.302db8e3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/08/05 21:17:44 GMT Daylight Time,  
nick.carrington at ntlworld.com writes:

10-12  pounds is about the going rate 


 
Yep ... about same in Harrogate for a good independent who takes a bit of  
care. That covers tyre change, new valve and balancing. And a half hour with  
owners wife if your lucks in !
 
Dave

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050812/bfca72f6/attachment-0001.html>

From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Fri Aug 12 10:34:54 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:34:54 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Drain
Message-ID: <00c601c59f21$1d3e3380$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hello All,
Well good news & bad.
Good news, I spent a while with the car last night and finally tracked down the source of the drain.
The fault was with the drivers side red door jam light.
Found this from studying carefully the current fluctuations on the meter while standing with the door open 
and pressing in the door jam switch by hand. With door open current (all other doors shut & lights off) reading 
approx 400mA current would then drop after depressing switch and agin after the light delay relay cut off.
Would go down to the magic 33mA briefly and then jump up again and sit at around 200mA.
So pulled the light out from the drivers side (very tricky not much slack in the wires) and found a terribly corroded
bulb assembly (see pic). With this removed everything then behaved normally - idle drain remaining at 33mA (66mA with alarm on).

Bad news - Before I got as far as the door jam lights I ended up destroying both the top hatch light assembly and the main light 
between the sun-visors. They came out ok but were jamed and would not switch between on\off & auto. Brute force didn't help
this and snap. So I now need to buy these two light assembly's and new door jam light.

Can someone confirm the correct part no's for the two interior lights.
I think I found the hatch light on 928 Specialists :-
Interior Light - Roof/Hatch 77-95  
911.632.102.00.70A

 

      Price: $20.43
     
       
     

And the door jam light on 928 international :-
Rear Door Jam Light

 

      Item Number : 928 631 131 00
     

     
      Unit Price: $8.50
     




      But am having a big problem finding the front light between the sunvisors, can anyone help here?

      Thanks again for all tips and advice.



      Best Regards,



      Andy 

      (88 S4 Auto)
     

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050812/4e2fddc6/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: door Jam Light2.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 27438 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050812/4e2fddc6/attachment-0001.jpg>

From charles.vanasma at tesco.net  Fri Aug 12 10:52:04 2005
From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (charles.vanasma at tesco.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 9:52:04 +0000
Subject: [928uk] servicing & Paul Anderson
Message-ID: <20050812095206.PAP12647.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>

Spoke to him yesterday he's on a two week Holiday in Spain.
And i know he needs it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charles S2 86

> 
> From: Geoffrey Walton <walton_geof944 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: 2005/08/11 Thu PM 10:32:35 GMT
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] servicing
> 
> Anyone seen or spoken to Paul Anderson recently ?
> Geof Walton
> 
> 
> 		
> ___________________________________________________________ 
> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Fri Aug 12 12:58:29 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:58:29 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
References: <20050812012950.ECA1A688A00@viper.snap.net.nz>
Message-ID: <002c01c59f35$4c638200$02000003@oemcomputer>

Agree with you there Smiffy.

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz
  To: George Layton ; 928UK
  Sent: 12 August 2005 02:29
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.


  Unlike the oil debate (where there are many valid variables) there is
only
  one right answer for the front rim offset on a 928. I beleive they
tried a
  different one once, but immediatly went back to 65.

  The only valid reason for going to 17"rims is to make the car hold the
  road better, so why compromise the high speed/braking stability by
using a
  wrong offset? ("looks" is not a valid reason!)

  Smiffy

  > On a 1995 GTS, the standard wheel set is:
  > Front 17 inch x 7.5J with 65 mm offset
  > Rear 17 inch x 9.0J with 55 mm offset (plus the factory fitted
spacer
  > which is 35 mm)
  >
  > The offset debate is up there with "which is the best oil for my
928"
  > :0(
  >
  > George.
  >
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Dk928 at aol.com
  >   To: red928gt at hotmail.co.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  >   Sent: 11 August 2005 10:03
  >   Subject: Re: [928uk] Cheaper Wheels.
  >
  >
  >   Hi Rhys
  >
  >   !7" Cups, 7J & 8J sets or 8J & 9J sets with correct offsets  65mm
  > front and 52mm rear seem to be  as scarse as rocking horse shit.
I've
  > been looking out for ages for a set for my S4.
  >
  >   A lot of the guys compromise with 55mm offsets all round ( quite
easy
  > to come across ) but if you follow the advice you see on the list
from
  > the guys who know you'd probably not want to go this route.
  >
  >   Keep on looking... good luck....if you find 2 sets please let me
know
  > !!
  >
  >   Regards
  >   Dave
  >
  >


> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  > ------
  >
  >
  >   _______________________________________________
  >   928uk mailing list
  >   928uk at 928.org.uk
  >   http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  >   928.org.uk
  >
  >


> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  > ------
  >
  >
  >   No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  >   Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  >   Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
  > 09/08/2005
  >
  >
  >
  > -- 
  > No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
  > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > 928uk mailing list
  > 928uk at 928.org.uk
  > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  > 928.org.uk




  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Fri Aug 12 13:39:27 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:39:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Drain
References: <00c601c59f21$1d3e3380$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <00ed01c59f3b$6c40cc80$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi Andy, from the Porsche PET:

The light unit between the sun visors is the same as the one at the top
of the hatch which is the same as the one at the bottom of the hatch.
"Interior Light" p/n 911.632.102.00.70A
The bulb should be 12V 10W p/n 900.631.106.90

The door jam light units are the same for each side.
"Door Safety Light" p/n 928.631.131.00
The bulb should be 12V 2W p/n 900.631.120.90

The light units on the bottom of the doors are the same for each side.
"Floor Light" p/n 928.632.109.01
The bulb should be 12V 10W p/n 900.631.106.90

These same parts are used on all 928 models up to and including my 1995
GTS.

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Brown
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 12 August 2005 10:34
  Subject: [928uk] Battery Drain


  Hello All,
  Well good news & bad.
  Good news, I spent a while with the car last night and finally tracked
down the source of the drain.
  The fault was with the drivers side red door jam light.
  Found this from studying carefully the current fluctuations on the
meter while standing with the door open
  and pressing in the door jam switch by hand. With door open current
(all other doors shut & lights off) reading
  approx 400mA current would then drop after depressing switch and agin
after the light delay relay cut off.
  Would go down to the magic 33mA briefly and then jump up again and sit
at around 200mA.
  So pulled the light out from the drivers side (very tricky not much
slack in the wires) and found a terribly corroded
  bulb assembly (see pic). With this removed everything then behaved
normally - idle drain remaining at 33mA (66mA with alarm on).

  Bad news - Before I got as far as the door jam lights I ended up
destroying both the top hatch light assembly and the main light
  between the sun-visors. They came out ok but were jamed and would not
switch between on\off & auto. Brute force didn't help
  this and snap. So I now need to buy these two light assembly's and new
door jam light.

  Can someone confirm the correct part no's for the two interior lights.
  I think I found the hatch light on 928 Specialists :-
  Interior Light - Roof/Hatch 77-95
  911.632.102.00.70A



        Price: $20.43




  And the door jam light on 928 international :-
  Rear Door Jam Light



        Item Number : 928 631 131 00



        Unit Price: $8.50





        But am having a big problem finding the front light between the
sunvisors, can anyone help here?

        Thanks again for all tips and advice.



        Best Regards,



        Andy

        (88 S4 Auto)




------------------------------------------------------------------------
------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


------------------------------------------------------------------------
------


  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date:
09/08/2005



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005



From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Fri Aug 12 14:04:51 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:04:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Drain
References: <00c601c59f21$1d3e3380$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
	<00ed01c59f3b$6c40cc80$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <013a01c59f3e$6cc7f680$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Cheers George,
Thanks for the info.
Have spoken with Douglas Valley breakers today and they said they had both
interior lights and
I will get them next week - ?20 for both.
If there in good nick then should be a bargain!
Will probably get the door safety lights from 928 international unless they
are easily and cheaply available
somewhere here.

All the best,

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: "George Layton" <George.Layton at ukgateway.net>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Drain


> Hi Andy, from the Porsche PET:
>
> The light unit between the sun visors is the same as the one at the top
> of the hatch which is the same as the one at the bottom of the hatch.
> "Interior Light" p/n 911.632.102.00.70A
> The bulb should be 12V 10W p/n 900.631.106.90
>
> The door jam light units are the same for each side.
> "Door Safety Light" p/n 928.631.131.00
> The bulb should be 12V 2W p/n 900.631.120.90
>
> The light units on the bottom of the doors are the same for each side.
> "Floor Light" p/n 928.632.109.01
> The bulb should be 12V 10W p/n 900.631.106.90
>
> These same parts are used on all 928 models up to and including my 1995
> GTS.
>
> George.




From antony.osler at which.net  Fri Aug 12 16:47:02 2005
From: antony.osler at which.net (Tony Osler)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:47:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 UK Herts Meet
In-Reply-To: <98697a4305081115485a320e6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHIEHBCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>

Name: Tony
Location: Cuffley
Year: 1986
Model: S2
Transmission: Auto
Exterior Colour: Iris Blue
Interior Colour: Navy
Reg. No. POO 928


Yes, I agree with George, good venue, cars and people. Perhaps another meet
in 4-6 weeks time. I think the cars were Dodge chargers, a Mustang and a
Plymouth

Tony



From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Aug 12 17:04:02 2005
From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:04:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 UK Herts Meet - next go to 928 evening on 06 September
References: <005401c59ea8$fad9cfc0$02000003@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001b01c59f57$8d880540$36a1193e@dan>

Just to remind all you "Herts" people that we have a dedicated 928 evening
at J Z Machtech in Kings Langley on 06 September dealing with maintenance of
these "beasts". Contact me for your reservation, details and directions if
you don't already have them.  We want your support !

Alan - 1990 S4 auto - marine blue metallic
Tel: 020 8868 4664
Mobile 07836 703 955
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Layton" <George.Layton at ukgateway.net>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:14 PM
Subject: [928uk] 928 UK Herts Meet


> Congratulations to David McL for organising the meet at The Three
> Horseshoes last night.
>
> Getting 10 or 11 928's to turn up at the same time to any event is quite
> an achievement.
>
> It was a great evening, the weather was good and the venue an excellent
> choice.
>
> As usual, once talking about 928's the time seemed to fly past and I did
> not get to see everyone's cars.  Hopefully next time I can correct that.
>
> I'm pretty good at remembering faces and 928's, but I'm crap at
> remembering names.  Perhaps a details list for "928 Herts" would be
> useful??  I'm quite happy to compile this if everyone sends me the
> relevant info.
>
> My suggestion, with personal example to illustrate format, would be:
>
> Name: George Layton
> Location: Old Hatfield
> Year: 1995
> Model: GTS
> Transmission: Auto
> Exterior Colour: Midnight Blue Metallic
> Interior Colour: Marble Grey & Midnight Blue
> Registration: GTL 300
>
> George.
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Fri Aug 12 21:00:59 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:00:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 UK Herts Meet
References: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHIEHBCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>
Message-ID: <000001c59f9a$de9035a0$02000003@oemcomputer>

<I think the cars were Dodge chargers, a Mustang and a Plymouth>

The white car with the twin blue stripe near the pub entrance was indeed
a Ford Mustang.

I also think the large lump which did a good job of trying to hit my 928
was a Plymouth.

The other 2 were Dodge Challengers.  (The Dodge Charger was the car
which featured in the film "Vanishing Point". I don't know what the
difference is.)

As they are all V8's I am prepared to embrace them as kindred spirits
:0)

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Osler
  To: George Layton ; Paul
  Cc: 928UK
  Sent: 12 August 2005 16:47
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 UK Herts Meet


  Name: Tony
  Location: Cuffley
  Year: 1986
  Model: S2
  Transmission: Auto
  Exterior Colour: Iris Blue
  Interior Colour: Navy
  Reg. No. POO 928


  Yes, I agree with George, good venue, cars and people. Perhaps another
meet
  in 4-6 weeks time. I think the cars were Dodge chargers, a Mustang and
a
  Plymouth

  Tony



  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date:
12/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005



From colincatherall at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 13 14:06:37 2005
From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:06:37 +0000
Subject: [928uk] gear change lubrication
Message-ID: <BAY101-F4249E8459040F292B06DE3C0BF0@phx.gbl>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050813/11743008/attachment-0001.html>

From rod.lonsdale1 at ntlworld.com  Sat Aug 13 17:09:44 2005
From: rod.lonsdale1 at ntlworld.com (Rod Lonsdale)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:09:44 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Boring - New Battery
Message-ID: <ED6D8F6D-947F-424B-A95B-951C01642BB2@ntlworld.com>

Just for information I have replaced my battery today - yawn.

I have had the same Fulman FX9 (66Ah and 595 A cold cranking current)  
the whole 6+ years in my possession. It was installed by the previous  
owner at some unknown time. Having completely flattened it twice in  
its early life with me I have religiously used a Carcoon battery  
maintainer every time it is parked overnight at home. First sign of  
problems was the apparent inability to take a full charge - the  
yellow light remaining on and not changing to green on the  
maintainer. Car still started satisfactorily though. It also became  
apparent that left overnight when away the starting turnover speed  
was slow.

I have purchased a VARTA BLUE dynamic [HP] ref. no. 575 121 072 3172  
with 75Ah and 720Ccc. List price ?105.86 + vat. discounted down to  
?74.64 from an organisation called MANBAT <www.manbat.co.uk>. Their  
advice was very helpful, swift and courteous and they have various  
outlets around the country - mine is in Chesterfield.

The battery fits the compartment easily and very snugly and has a 3  
year warrantee. Starting has a quicker turnover, although that might  
be in comparison with the worn out Fulman. So far so good. One lesson  
learned is the essential requirement for a battery maintainer which  
ensures a full charge for every start up, reduces the risk of a  
damaging total flattening and, I suspect, adds sufficient life to the  
battery it probably pays for itself over the extended life of the  
battery.

Usual disclaimers,

Rod
S4 1990 black/black/black.


From roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Aug 13 19:31:17 2005
From: roger at la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk (Nadeem Arshad)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:31:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFCEGPCFAA.mike@dawe.com>
Message-ID: <LGEEJAKAHOKCLJIKLJDPIEPKCCAA.roger@la-engineer.fsnet.co.uk>

spotted F928 BET in Cardiff yesterday, anyone on the list?





From david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk  Sun Aug 14 09:30:07 2005
From: david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk (Dave Morgan)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:30:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Wheel Nuts
Message-ID: <200508140830.j7E8UnH13121@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hello all,

 

Recently there was some talk on the list about wheel nuts and the
lubrication of such items. I came across this website in 'GT Purely Porsche'
and thought it would make interesting reading for those concerned with the
various types of metal used. Although the 928 is not mentioned, I think that
the same basic rules apply.

 

Happy reading.

 

Dave.

 

Guards red GT

 

http://www.type-911.co.uk <http://www.type-911.co.uk/> 

 

 

P.S. This link may not work, but if you go to the website and click on
'Parts Accessories' then 'Accessories' then 'Wheel Accessories' the
technical information is highlighted in the green section.

 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050814/7490bd4d/attachment-0001.html>

From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 11:11:31 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:11:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Wheel Nuts
In-Reply-To: <200508140830.j7E8UnH13121@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200508140830.j7E8UnH13121@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <98697a4305081403113b8f98d0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Dave, very useful, even though they are not very 928 friendly. 

Paul
87 S4 Manual






On 8/14/05, Dave Morgan <david at morgan928.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
>  
> 
> Recently there was some talk on the list about wheel nuts and the
> lubrication of such items. I came across this website in 'GT Purely Porsche'
> and thought it would make interesting reading for those concerned with the
> various types of metal used. Although the 928 is not mentioned, I think that
> the same basic rules apply.
> 
>  
> 
> Happy reading.
> 
>  
> 
> Dave.
> 
>  
> 
> Guards red GT
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.type-911.co.uk
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> P.S. This link may not work, but if you go to the website and click on
> 'Parts Accessories' then 'Accessories' then 'Wheel Accessories' the
> technical information is highlighted in the green section.
> 
>  
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 
>


From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Sun Aug 14 14:01:08 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:01:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Wheel Balancing
References: <98697a43050716082839dcae8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10db01c5a0dc$bc0dd6c0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Paul sent this message to the list a couple of months ago.

I recently had my wheels balanced and when I got home I had a good look
at the stick-on weights used.

Instead of the 10g and 5g lead weights used before all the weights are
5g.  They are about the same size (length & width) as the old 10g lead
weights but slightly thinner.  They are also a nice shinny silver
colour.

So, looks like the demise of lead weights is a reality.

As far as cost is concerned, I actually paid less this time than I did
in the past (same tyre place) so there does not seem to have been any
impact on cost.

George.
(Feeling well balanced)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul
  To: 928UK
  Sent: 16 July 2005 16:28
  Subject: [928uk] Wheel Balancing


  A couple of weeks ago I had a pair of tyres fitted in Daventry. The
  shop owner/fitter said he had just bought all the remaining Lead
  weights in the country, and showed me the pallet. He said it cost a
  grand. He explained that lead has been discontinued in favour of
  Nickel, which is much more expensive, and less dense, so the weights
  will be larger.

  Expect the normal ?5 balance per wheel charge to go up soon. Shame
  because I find I have to get my fronts balanced every couple of
  thousand miles, and the rears benefit from a similar balance interval.

  Paul
  87 S4 Manual



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005



From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Sun Aug 14 14:44:38 2005
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:44:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Boring - New Battery
References: <ED6D8F6D-947F-424B-A95B-951C01642BB2@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <10dc01c5a0dc$bcbed740$02000003@oemcomputer>

Hi Rod.

Not boring at all :0)

All 928's tend to eat batteries so the 3 year warranty is really good to
have.

I agree that using a battery maintainer (like the Carcoon) is a good
idea and extends the life of the battery - I didn't know there were
religious practices associated with using one though !!

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rod Lonsdale
  To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk org'
  Sent: 13 August 2005 17:09
  Subject: [928uk] Boring - New Battery


  Just for information I have replaced my battery today - yawn.

  I have had the same Fulman FX9 (66Ah and 595 A cold cranking current)
  the whole 6+ years in my possession. It was installed by the previous
  owner at some unknown time. Having completely flattened it twice in
  its early life with me I have religiously used a Carcoon battery
  maintainer every time it is parked overnight at home. First sign of
  problems was the apparent inability to take a full charge - the
  yellow light remaining on and not changing to green on the
  maintainer. Car still started satisfactorily though. It also became
  apparent that left overnight when away the starting turnover speed
  was slow.

  I have purchased a VARTA BLUE dynamic [HP] ref. no. 575 121 072 3172
  with 75Ah and 720Ccc. List price ?105.86 + vat. discounted down to
  ?74.64 from an organisation called MANBAT <www.manbat.co.uk>. Their
  advice was very helpful, swift and courteous and they have various
  outlets around the country - mine is in Chesterfield.

  The battery fits the compartment easily and very snugly and has a 3
  year warrantee. Starting has a quicker turnover, although that might
  be in comparison with the worn out Fulman. So far so good. One lesson
  learned is the essential requirement for a battery maintainer which
  ensures a full charge for every start up, reduces the risk of a
  damaging total flattening and, I suspect, adds sufficient life to the
  battery it probably pays for itself over the extended life of the
  battery.

  Usual disclaimers,

  Rod
  S4 1990 black/black/black.
  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


  -- 
  No virus found in this incoming message for George.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date:
12/08/2005




-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message from George.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005



From ancaster at ntlworld.com  Mon Aug 15 13:37:29 2005
From: ancaster at ntlworld.com (ancaster at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:37:29 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Wheel weights?
Message-ID: <20050815123729.NHXG1947.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Wow you paid less to have your wheels done with Zamac weights?
They cost 3 times as much (I sell them)
The nice EU killed lead stone dead in April.
They did let us keep using it for a while on cars over 2 years old but caught everyone out by killing it.
The new sets of Zamac cost us ?500 per garage.
Average balance prices are now x3 and that us being nice and doing at cost.Car trade is such fun.
Chris Smith - A.C.Williams Renault. 928 S '83 wont start.


-----------------------------------------
Email sent from www.ntlworld.com
Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software 
Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information



From antony.osler at which.net  Mon Aug 15 19:01:10 2005
From: antony.osler at which.net (Tony Osler)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:01:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
Message-ID: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHGEHMCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>

At 11 am this morning saw a yellow GTS come on M25 at J22 anticlockwise
number plate SHARK (possibly S 11 ARK) - very impressive!! - I was in our
Peugeot 306-no chance to wave.

Anyone on the list?

Tony
86S2
POO 928
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050815/7d906a8f/attachment-0001.html>

From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Mon Aug 15 19:28:15 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:28:15 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
References: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHGEHMCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>
Message-ID: <002601c5a1c7$1b260ed0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Probably JJ
All the best
Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Osler 
  To: 928 
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:01 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS


  At 11 am this morning saw a yellow GTS come on M25 at J22 anticlockwise number plate SHARK (possibly S 11 ARK) - very impressive!! - I was in our Peugeot 306-no chance to wave.

  Anyone on the list?

  Tony
  86S2
  POO 928



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050815/cfe8e0eb/attachment-0001.html>

From drnagwagner at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 15 19:33:23 2005
From: drnagwagner at hotmail.com (dr. nag wagner)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:33:23 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
In-Reply-To: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHGEHMCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F656BF218A3844EE73A01EB9B10@phx.gbl>

Might someone care to devise a wave to be used to a 928 driver when one is 
driving something
other than a 928?
Nick

>From: "Tony Osler" <antony.osler at which.net>
>To: "928" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
>Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:01:10 +0100
>
>At 11 am this morning saw a yellow GTS come on M25 at J22 anticlockwise
>number plate SHARK (possibly S 11 ARK) - very impressive!! - I was in our
>Peugeot 306-no chance to wave.
>
>Anyone on the list?
>
>Tony
>86S2
>POO 928
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk




From Dk928 at aol.com  Mon Aug 15 20:11:12 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:11:12 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
Message-ID: <9b.6598712a.303242d0@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 15/08/05 19:45:13 GMT Daylight Time,  
drnagwagner at hotmail.com writes:

Might  someone care to devise a wave to be used to a 928 driver when one is  
driving something
other than a 928?



I get them regularly....usually one middle finger vertical... I've often  
thought how strange !!
 
Dave  ( Puzzled )
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050815/8a9cd4c1/attachment-0001.html>

From willsco at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 20:20:11 2005
From: willsco at gmail.com (Mike Williams)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:20:11 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
In-Reply-To: <9b.6598712a.303242d0@aol.com>
References: <9b.6598712a.303242d0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9cdb24be05081512204d7475dc@mail.gmail.com>

Remember on that "Dusty Bin" programme from ages back, the presenter use to 
do something with his fingers 3,2,1 - maybe something like that....

Second thoughts 9 & 8 might be too many fingers to have off the steering 
wheel at any one time!

Mike
'79 AUto

On 15/08/05, Dk928 at aol.com <Dk928 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>  In a message dated 15/08/05 19:45:13 GMT Daylight Time, 
> drnagwagner at hotmail.com writes:
> 
> Might someone care to devise a wave to be used to a 928 driver when one is 
> 
> driving something
> other than a 928?
> 
>  I get them regularly....usually one middle finger vertical... I've often 
> thought how strange !!
>  Dave ( Puzzled )
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk <http://928.org.uk>
> 
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050815/dfd14245/attachment-0001.html>

From marton at befree.ch  Tue Aug 16 17:56:59 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:56:59 -0700
Subject: AW: [928uk] Yellow GTS
In-Reply-To: <9cdb24be05081512204d7475dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42E8D188006EE8B1@mta-fs-be-01.sunrise.ch> (added by
	postmaster@sunrise.ch)

*       Second thoughts 9 & 8 might be too many fingers to have off the
steering wheel at any one time!

 

That leaves 2 then?

 

Marton

 

  _____  

Von: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] Im Auftrag
von Mike Williams
Gesendet: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:20 PM
An: Dk928 at aol.com
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Betreff: Re: [928uk] Yellow GTS

 

Remember on that "Dusty Bin" programme from ages back, the presenter use to
do something with his fingers 3,2,1 - maybe something like that....

Second thoughts 9 & 8 might be too many fingers to have off the steering
wheel at any one time!

Mike
'79 AUto

On 15/08/05, Dk928 at aol.com <Dk928 at aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 15/08/05 19:45:13 GMT Daylight Time,
drnagwagner at hotmail.com writes:

Might someone care to devise a wave to be used to a 928 driver when one is 
driving something
other than a 928?

I get them regularly....usually one middle finger vertical... I've often
thought how strange !!

 

Dave  ( Puzzled )


_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/077c08a7/attachment-0001.html>

From Dk928 at aol.com  Mon Aug 15 21:02:26 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:02:26 EDT
Subject: AW: [928uk] Yellow GTS
Message-ID: <1e.4b4b8a55.30324ed2@aol.com>

Hi Marton
 
 
How long have you suffered with this deformity ??
 
Dave

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050815/11213cf3/attachment-0001.html>

From angusf at mac.com  Mon Aug 15 22:32:03 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:32:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
Message-ID: <200508152132.j7FLW180011748@mac.com>

Forwarded to the list... 


Angus
--
This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
addressee.

If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your system
and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to it,
in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928.org.uk 
Subject: 928 S4 1989 Auto.

This is an enquiry e-mail from Miles Orbell
 
1. Anyone know how to fix a loose rear S4 spoiler. It is loose internally,
inject epoxy or similar ?

2. Where to find windscreen air vent cover/trims. Saw them somewhere on the
web, cannot find them again. They look like very neat plastic items that
cover the small cracks around the demist vents.

3. Anywhere in the UK that I can get my dashboard refurbished to a high
standard & recovered with leather or other product ?

4. Any tips on how to completely flush coolant system after it has been
contaminated with oil from a leak from the oil cooler ?

Thanks.





From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug 16 01:49:07 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:49:07 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
Message-ID: <20050816004907.79A7F607517@viper.snap.net.nz>

If you own a 928, and you're driving something else, you shoulhang your 
head in shame.

Smiffy

> Might someone care to devise a wave to be used to a 928 driver when one 
is 
> driving something
> other than a 928?
> Nick




From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Tue Aug 16 05:31:08 2005
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:31:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F656BF218A3844EE73A01EB9B10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200508160431.j7G4V8Ae023008@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

dr. nag wagner wrote:

> Might someone care to devise a wave to be used to a 928 driver when one is 
> driving something
> other than a 928?

Tha landsharks use the "perfect" symbol, with the tips of the thumb
and index finger touching to form a circle.

[Just be carefull not to gesticulate the hand at the same time. :-]

-- 
Phil

Never underestimate the effectiveness of a straight cash bribe.
        -- Claud Cockburn (1904-1981), Irish journalist 


From bazmonaut at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 09:17:30 2005
From: bazmonaut at hotmail.com (Barry Johnson)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:17:30 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?
Message-ID: <BAY101-F36FA6C245E4DD8EBB8157BBAB00@phx.gbl>

Hi all

I've just bought a 928, '89 S4 in lovely Pine Green. I love this car even 
though I am now skint after forking out a hefty sum for a complete engine 
rebuild and new radiator (ouch). Before I bought it the car sat for a year 
or so - there are lots of little jobs that need doing but overall it's in 
great condition.

The most pressing job is moving the front passenger forward so I can take my 
family for a drive (mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the money 
I've spent, although she did enjoy taking it for a drive over the weekend!).

The button and motor work fine, but the threaded rod on the inside (next to 
trans tunnel) is jammed. I can see how it operates from the threaded rod on 
the other side (which works fine and I can easily get to, of course), but I 
just can't get a spanner around the 14mm nut that turns the rod. I've read 
in the Porsche maintenance manual that there is a 'release lever' somewhere 
under there, but I'll be buggered if I can find it. The manual is otherwise 
very unhelpful, saying that all maintenance to the seat must be done with 
the seat removed - but it's impossible to get to the rear mounting bolts 
with the seat all the way back.

If someone can advise where to go from here I promise to put together an 
article on this topic!

Cheers

Barry




From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 09:41:51 2005
From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:41:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?
References: <BAY101-F36FA6C245E4DD8EBB8157BBAB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005001c5a23e$58fc9ef0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>

Hi Barry,
I have had the same problem with the passenger seat since I've had my car
and have some information from the list about how to go about
sorting it which I will pass on to you. Haven't attempted this yet (I tend
to break things easily) but if you are going to have a go and do a write
up then may also give it a go.
I think what they mean by release mechanism is the 'Manual Crank' which just
uses a cheap plastic gear to manually drive the seat forward.
Its pretty useless and usually strips.
See attached previous e-mail from Don Peach - maybe of some use.

I have another document which I will send you off list - too big.

All the Best,

Andy
(88 S4 Auto)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Johnson" <bazmonaut at hotmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?


> Hi all
>
> I've just bought a 928, '89 S4 in lovely Pine Green. I love this car even
> though I am now skint after forking out a hefty sum for a complete engine
> rebuild and new radiator (ouch). Before I bought it the car sat for a year
> or so - there are lots of little jobs that need doing but overall it's in
> great condition.
>
> The most pressing job is moving the front passenger forward so I can take
my
> family for a drive (mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the
money
> I've spent, although she did enjoy taking it for a drive over the
weekend!).
>
> The button and motor work fine, but the threaded rod on the inside (next
to
> trans tunnel) is jammed. I can see how it operates from the threaded rod
on
> the other side (which works fine and I can easily get to, of course), but
I
> just can't get a spanner around the 14mm nut that turns the rod. I've read
> in the Porsche maintenance manual that there is a 'release lever'
somewhere
> under there, but I'll be buggered if I can find it. The manual is
otherwise
> very unhelpful, saying that all maintenance to the seat must be done with
> the seat removed - but it's impossible to get to the rear mounting bolts
> with the seat all the way back.
>
> If someone can advise where to go from here I promise to put together an
> article on this topic!
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: "Donald Peach" <donald.peach at virgin.net>
Subject: [928uk] Re: Electric Seat Controls
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 00:14:59 -0000
Size: 11912
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/882060be/attachment-0001.eml>

From asweetenham at uku.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 10:53:51 2005
From: asweetenham at uku.co.uk (Andrew Sweetenham)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:53:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?
In-Reply-To: <005001c5a23e$58fc9ef0$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <20050816095334.E7723D478C@mra02.ch.as12513.net>

Hi All 

My '93 (registered) GT coolant temperature gauge always registers about 2/3
of the way across. The markings are 40, 80 (90 assumed) and then red for
each quarter. Is this usual of would you expect to see the gauge register in
the middle (about 82)?

Cooling system appears fine. New coolant and thermostat were added and fans
cut in and out correctly.

Any info gratefully received.

Regards,
Andrew
'93 928 GT Guards Red

Andrew Sweetenham
ProMAX Motorsport
Porsche Performance Specialists
Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
web: www.promaxmotorsport.com

-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
 



From guy at benkins.com  Tue Aug 16 11:02:44 2005
From: guy at benkins.com (guy at benkins.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:02:44 GMT
Subject: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?
Message-ID: <200508161002.j7GA2YH08051@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi Barry,

My passenger seat was jammed. We tried all ways to move it, but in the
end I sat in the back and pushed the base of the seat with my feet
while someone else pushed the button, and with a huge amount of force
the seat moved. I was very concerned about breaking something but
nothing was damaged, and once removed a quick clean and relube and the
seat works fine.

Best regards,

Guy


"Barry Johnson" <bazmonaut at hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all

I've just bought a 928, '89 S4 in lovely Pine Green. I love this car even 
though I am now skint after forking out a hefty sum for a complete engine 
rebuild and new radiator (ouch). Before I bought it the car sat for a
year 
or so - there are lots of little jobs that need doing but overall it's in 
great condition.

The most pressing job is moving the front passenger forward so I can
take my 
family for a drive (mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the
money 
I've spent, although she did enjoy taking it for a drive over the
weekend!).

The button and motor work fine, but the threaded rod on the inside
(next to 
trans tunnel) is jammed. I can see how it operates from the threaded
rod on 
the other side (which works fine and I can easily get to, of course),
but I 
just can't get a spanner around the 14mm nut that turns the rod. I've
read 
in the Porsche maintenance manual that there is a 'release lever'
somewhere 
under there, but I'll be buggered if I can find it. The manual is
otherwise 
very unhelpful, saying that all maintenance to the seat must be done with 
the seat removed - but it's impossible to get to the rear mounting bolts 
with the seat all the way back.

If someone can advise where to go from here I promise to put together an 
article on this topic!

Cheers

Barry


_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk





From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Tue Aug 16 11:07:26 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:07:26 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Releasing seized front ride height adjuster
Message-ID: <005601c5a24a$4f5690c0$1a667cca@computername>

This is the second time I've done this (on two different S4s). I have been told that it is 
not possible to do without removing the upper A arm. Here's what I did.

1. Undo the shock, three nuts at the top, nut and bolt at the bottom.
2. Split the lower ball joint.
3. Push the lower wishbone down (stick a big screwdriver in the end and use that as a 
lever).
4. Hold the upper A arm (and attached hub etc) up. You'll either need an assistant, or 
some ropes for this part.
5. Hold the shock up, and move the bottom end inwards (towards the engine) then forwards 
(towards the front of the car). Once its clear of the mounting bracket, it will easily 
clear the front of the lower wishbone. Lower it through the upper A arm.
The shock is now off the car!
6. Put spring compressors on the spring and take up some of the tension, then remove the 
top nut. Take off the top parts, spring and bump-stop, noting their order. The lower 
spring seat needs a knock to release the protector that fits the top of the shock body.

7. Then knock the adjuster and its threaded sleeve up the shock body and off.
8. You can now see some of the thread on the adjuster, clean that up.
9. Before you go any further, measure and note the relative position of the two so you can 
put it back there later.
10. Put the shock in a vice, upright.
11. Hold the adjuster in a pair of moles, and heat  with a blowtorch for about five 
minutes. Turn off the torch, and in a well
ventilated, non-flammable environment, spray releasing oil into the threads. While the 
adjuster is still hot, drop it onto the
shock. The cooling effect on the sleeve will hopefully release the seizure.
12.Work the adjuster backwards and forwards until totally free.If it isn't free, remove 
from the shock and repeat the process until
it is.

13. Then remove the adjuster from the sleeve. Clean them, and the shock body. Refit the 
sleeve with loctite "bearing fit" or
similar, making sure it is hard down against the seats.
14. Grease the threads well and replace the adjuster to the original position.

6-1 in reverse order, and you are ready to adjust the height with ease.

Smiffy



From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 11:09:57 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:09:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?
References: <BAY101-F36FA6C245E4DD8EBB8157BBAB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004b01c5a24a$a8c353a0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

1.   Barry wrote>>(Mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the money
> I've spent, >>  Rule 1:  Never be too transparent to her about how much 
> you spend on your 928!  The new suspension etc should (if mentioned at 
> all) be a "service"   !!  All goodies should be sent quietly to your 
> office!

2.  Try having someone sit in the back & push the back of the seat really 
hard with their legs while you work the button; it can get it going.

Good luck & welcome to Shark ownership!  Enjoy.
Regards
Simon

> Hi all
>
> I've just bought a 928, '89 S4 in lovely Pine Green. I love this car even 
> though I am now skint after forking out a hefty sum for a complete engine 
> rebuild and new radiator (ouch). Before I bought it the car sat for a year 
> or so - there are lots of little jobs that need doing but overall it's in 
> great condition.
>
> The most pressing job is moving the front passenger forward so I can take 
> my family for a drive (mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the 
> money I've spent, although she did enjoy taking it for a drive over the 
> weekend!).
>
> The button and motor work fine, but the threaded rod on the inside (next 
> to trans tunnel) is jammed. I can see how it operates from the threaded 
> rod on the other side (which works fine and I can easily get to, of 
> course), but I just can't get a spanner around the 14mm nut that turns the 
> rod. I've read in the Porsche maintenance manual that there is a 'release 
> lever' somewhere under there, but I'll be buggered if I can find it. The 
> manual is otherwise very unhelpful, saying that all maintenance to the 
> seat must be done with the seat removed - but it's impossible to get to 
> the rear mounting bolts with the seat all the way back.
>
> If someone can advise where to go from here I promise to put together an 
> article on this topic!
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From rob at robburrell.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 11:23:02 2005
From: rob at robburrell.co.uk (Rob Burrell)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:23:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?
In-Reply-To: <20050816095334.E7723D478C@mra02.ch.as12513.net>
Message-ID: <200508161023.j7GAN6H09395@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi Andrew

On my '90 GT the temperature gauge registers exactly as yours, about 2/3
across, it has done this from new in all temperatures and never overheated
or been a problem whatsoever, as you say the fans cut in and out as required
- I would suggest your GT is fine!

Regards

Rob
'90 GT



Hi All 

My '93 (registered) GT coolant temperature gauge always registers about 2/3
of the way across. The markings are 40, 80 (90 assumed) and then red for
each quarter. Is this usual of would you expect to see the gauge register in
the middle (about 82)?

Cooling system appears fine. New coolant and thermostat were added and fans
cut in and out correctly.

Any info gratefully received.

Regards,
Andrew
'93 928 GT Guards Red





From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 11:58:10 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:58:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5a24a$a8c353a0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
References: <BAY101-F36FA6C245E4DD8EBB8157BBAB00@phx.gbl>
	<004b01c5a24a$a8c353a0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <98697a430508160358317e9cb2@mail.gmail.com>

Rule 3

Don't be tempted to compare your 928 spending with the cost of the
contents of her wardrobe and/or shoe drawer. This never works,
especially when the maths are clearly in your favour.

Paul



On 8/16/05, Simon Watson <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk> wrote:
> 1.   Barry wrote>>(Mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the money
> > I've spent, >>  Rule 1:  Never be too transparent to her about how much
> > you spend on your 928!  The new suspension etc should (if mentioned at
> > all) be a "service"   !!  All goodies should be sent quietly to your
> > office!
> 
> 2.  Try having someone sit in the back & push the back of the seat really
> hard with their legs while you work the button; it can get it going.
> 
> Good luck & welcome to Shark ownership!  Enjoy.
> Regards
> Simon
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > I've just bought a 928, '89 S4 in lovely Pine Green. I love this car even
> > though I am now skint after forking out a hefty sum for a complete engine
> > rebuild and new radiator (ouch). Before I bought it the car sat for a year
> > or so - there are lots of little jobs that need doing but overall it's in
> > great condition.
> >
> > The most pressing job is moving the front passenger forward so I can take
> > my family for a drive (mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the
> > money I've spent, although she did enjoy taking it for a drive over the
> > weekend!).
> >
> > The button and motor work fine, but the threaded rod on the inside (next
> > to trans tunnel) is jammed. I can see how it operates from the threaded
> > rod on the other side (which works fine and I can easily get to, of
> > course), but I just can't get a spanner around the 14mm nut that turns the
> > rod. I've read in the Porsche maintenance manual that there is a 'release
> > lever' somewhere under there, but I'll be buggered if I can find it. The
> > manual is otherwise very unhelpful, saying that all maintenance to the
> > seat must be done with the seat removed - but it's impossible to get to
> > the rear mounting bolts with the seat all the way back.
> >
> > If someone can advise where to go from here I promise to put together an
> > article on this topic!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From jj at folly.screaming.net  Tue Aug 16 10:28:18 2005
From: jj at folly.screaming.net (JJ)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:28:18 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS
In-Reply-To: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHGEHMCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>
Message-ID: <200508161101.j7GB1jH11587@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Hi Tony. Yes that was me - in my glorious 1995 speed yellow GTS
(SHA12K)- on my way to The Isle of White to meet an 80+ year old
ex fighter pilot who was selling his collection of cars including
4 (yes 4) Gordon Keebles, Aston DB5, Lagonda (horrible), various
Bentley's, Rollers, Daimlers, Jags - a Hudson (I think) and an
out of place early 3 series BMW!
.....and I'm tempted by the Bentley Mulsaine Turbo at circa 10-12
grand!
 
JJ ??? 
1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto 


   _____  

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]
On Behalf Of Tony Osler
Sent: 15 August 2005 19:01
To: 928
Subject: [928uk] Yellow GTS


At 11 am this morning saw a yellow GTS come on M25 at J22
anticlockwise number plate SHARK (possibly S 11 ARK) - very
impressive!! - I was in our Peugeot 306-no chance to wave.
 
Anyone on the list?
 
Tony
86S2
POO 928


--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date:
15/08/2005



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date:
15/08/2005
 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/a60cdcf0/attachment-0001.html>

From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 12:02:34 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:02:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?
References: <20050816095334.E7723D478C@mra02.ch.as12513.net>
Message-ID: <003501c5a252$022bcc90$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Sounds just right; it was like that on the 2 928's I've owned an 88S4 & a 95 
GTS & will hopefully do likewise on my next one (looked into several but the 
perfect one has not actually materialised yet).
Regards
Simon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Sweetenham" <asweetenham at uku.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?


> Hi All
>
> My '93 (registered) GT coolant temperature gauge always registers about 
> 2/3
> of the way across. The markings are 40, 80 (90 assumed) and then red for
> each quarter. Is this usual of would you expect to see the gauge register 
> in
> the middle (about 82)?
>
> Cooling system appears fine. New coolant and thermostat were added and 
> fans
> cut in and out correctly.
>
> Any info gratefully received.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
> '93 928 GT Guards Red
>
> Andrew Sweetenham
> ProMAX Motorsport
> Porsche Performance Specialists
> Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 12:10:20 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:10:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?
In-Reply-To: <003501c5a252$022bcc90$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <20050816111020.32688.qmail@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Sounds about right - 2/3 of the way and it should sit on the last white line when you are pushing it really hard on a track day or a 9000ft Alpine road
 
Alex
928 S2 Manual aka Frankenstein
928 GT aka Mr Osmond
 
(don't ask)

Simon Watson <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk> wrote:
Sounds just right; it was like that on the 2 928's I've owned an 88S4 & a 95 
GTS & will hopefully do likewise on my next one (looked into several but the 
perfect one has not actually materialised yet).
Regards
Simon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Sweetenham" 
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?


> Hi All
>
> My '93 (registered) GT coolant temperature gauge always registers about 
> 2/3
> of the way across. The markings are 40, 80 (90 assumed) and then red for
> each quarter. Is this usual of would you expect to see the gauge register 
> in
> the middle (about 82)?
>
> Cooling system appears fine. New coolant and thermostat were added and 
> fans
> cut in and out correctly.
>
> Any info gratefully received.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
> '93 928 GT Guards Red
>
> Andrew Sweetenham
> ProMAX Motorsport
> Porsche Performance Specialists
> Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

		
---------------------------------
To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/dd74d17c/attachment-0001.html>

From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Tue Aug 16 12:23:57 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:23:57 +1200
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?
In-Reply-To: <200508161023.j7GAN6H09395@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDMEOBCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Andrew

First lesson of 928 ownership - The gauges only indicate a trend.

Ignoring the absolute meaurement from the gauges if all is well by other
observation it probably is. If the gauges then change then all my not be
well. - Expect Voltage to drop on non digi dash volt gauges after 30 mins or
so driving. Expect temp to rise but not terminally during full throttle
acceleration - should stabilise at a constant speed - irrespective of speed
or ambient temperature or gradient. Properly functioning the 928 cooling
system should be able to cope with 45degC heat and a full throttle constant
speed uphill charge at reasonable speeds ie still in third gear not second
(a full throttle second hill climb at a constant speed is very steep.)

Jon
Black SE - Gauges read the same they allways did
90 GT Gauges also read the same they always did but not the same as the SE

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Rob Burrell
Sent: 16 August 2005 22:23
To: 'Andrew Sweetenham'; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?


Hi Andrew

On my '90 GT the temperature gauge registers exactly as yours, about 2/3
across, it has done this from new in all temperatures and never overheated
or been a problem whatsoever, as you say the fans cut in and out as required
- I would suggest your GT is fine!

Regards

Rob
'90 GT



Hi All

My '93 (registered) GT coolant temperature gauge always registers about 2/3
of the way across. The markings are 40, 80 (90 assumed) and then red for
each quarter. Is this usual of would you expect to see the gauge register in
the middle (about 82)?

Cooling system appears fine. New coolant and thermostat were added and fans
cut in and out correctly.

Any info gratefully received.

Regards,
Andrew
'93 928 GT Guards Red



_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk




From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Tue Aug 16 12:34:58 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:34:58 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?
In-Reply-To: <98697a430508160358317e9cb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDCEOCCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

1 haircut = 2 new rear tyres - or one expensive 18" Michelin rear tyre.
Haircut every two months = 6 new tyres per year at worst.

1 lipstick = 1 oil filter or 2 spark plugs

Some other unfathomable antideoxyagingexfoliogenewrinkle powder/cream - some
new plug leads.

You get the picture

Jon
Black SE - pampered
90GT (hers) run on a limited budget

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 16 August 2005 22:58
To: Simon Watson
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Jammed electric seats - release lever?


Rule 3

Don't be tempted to compare your 928 spending with the cost of the
contents of her wardrobe and/or shoe drawer. This never works,
especially when the maths are clearly in your favour.

Paul



On 8/16/05, Simon Watson <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk> wrote:
> 1.   Barry wrote>>(Mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the money
> > I've spent, >>  Rule 1:  Never be too transparent to her about how much
> > you spend on your 928!  The new suspension etc should (if mentioned at
> > all) be a "service"   !!  All goodies should be sent quietly to your
> > office!
>
> 2.  Try having someone sit in the back & push the back of the seat really
> hard with their legs while you work the button; it can get it going.
>
> Good luck & welcome to Shark ownership!  Enjoy.
> Regards
> Simon
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I've just bought a 928, '89 S4 in lovely Pine Green. I love this car
even
> > though I am now skint after forking out a hefty sum for a complete
engine
> > rebuild and new radiator (ouch). Before I bought it the car sat for a
year
> > or so - there are lots of little jobs that need doing but overall it's
in
> > great condition.
> >
> > The most pressing job is moving the front passenger forward so I can
take
> > my family for a drive (mrs is already questioning whether it's worth the
> > money I've spent, although she did enjoy taking it for a drive over the
> > weekend!).
> >
> > The button and motor work fine, but the threaded rod on the inside (next
> > to trans tunnel) is jammed. I can see how it operates from the threaded
> > rod on the other side (which works fine and I can easily get to, of
> > course), but I just can't get a spanner around the 14mm nut that turns
the
> > rod. I've read in the Porsche maintenance manual that there is a
'release
> > lever' somewhere under there, but I'll be buggered if I can find it. The
> > manual is otherwise very unhelpful, saying that all maintenance to the
> > seat must be done with the seat removed - but it's impossible to get to
> > the rear mounting bolts with the seat all the way back.
> >
> > If someone can advise where to go from here I promise to put together an
> > article on this topic!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk




From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Tue Aug 16 12:45:55 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:45:55 +1200
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
In-Reply-To: <200508152132.j7FLW180011748@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDKEOCCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Miles

1. Search the Archives - but I think yes inject epoxy

2. Havent a clue

3. Southbound in Stockbridge Hants - Exemplary reputation but not cheap.

4. small amount of Dishwasher "soap" followed by repeated flushing with
fresh water. IMPORTANT - left over Oil in the cooling system is not harmful,
The left over water in Oil will be - if you have an oil cooler leak, oil
leaks into the coolant when the engine is running 'cos the oil is at high
pressure, when the engine is stopped the oil pressure drops to 0 instantly
but the hot coolant stays at 15psi for a while and leaks back the other way
into the oil. You must change the oil as a minimum and preferably do a flush
change - use cheap oil for the first change and just empty the filter - get
the engine hot a couple of times then change the oil and filter. If you have
doubts about the efficacy of the leak fix then use cheap oil until you are
sure. Binning two gallons of ?5/gallon oil after 100 miles hurts a lot less
than binning 2 gallons of ?40/gallon Mobil1 or similar.

Jon in Nz

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Angus Fox
Sent: 16 August 2005 09:32
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Cc: mpck at intekom.com
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 1989 Auto.


Forwarded to the list...


Angus
--
This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
addressee.

If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your system
and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to it,
in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928.org.uk
Subject: 928 S4 1989 Auto.

This is an enquiry e-mail from Miles Orbell

1. Anyone know how to fix a loose rear S4 spoiler. It is loose internally,
inject epoxy or similar ?

2. Where to find windscreen air vent cover/trims. Saw them somewhere on the
web, cannot find them again. They look like very neat plastic items that
cover the small cracks around the demist vents.

3. Anywhere in the UK that I can get my dashboard refurbished to a high
standard & recovered with leather or other product ?

4. Any tips on how to completely flush coolant system after it has been
contaminated with oil from a leak from the oil cooler ?

Thanks.



_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk




From kal at funkychimp.com  Tue Aug 16 12:47:20 2005
From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:47:20 +0100
Subject: SPAM-VHIGH RE: [928uk] Yellow GTS
In-Reply-To: <200508161101.j7GB1jH11587@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200508161101.j7GB1jH11587@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4301D248.3040102@funkychimp.com>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/5ed627b8/attachment-0001.html>

From angusf at mac.com  Tue Aug 16 17:25:57 2005
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:25:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 tail light
Message-ID: <200508161626.j7GGPuIx026183@mac.com>

 Miles, please send these direct to the list (928uk at 928.org.uk) or they sit
in my inbox till I spot them

Angus
--
This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
addressee.

If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your system
and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to it,
in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928.org.uk [mailto:angusf at 928.org.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:44 PM
To: angusf at 928.org.uk
Subject: 928 S4

This is an enquiry e-mail from Miles Orbell ()
 
Anyone know where i can get a good, unscratched left rear tail light
assembly from for a 1989 S4 ?





From dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 17:46:34 2005
From: dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk (S & DJ)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:46:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 tail light
In-Reply-To: <200508161626.j7GGPuIx026183@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5a282$13748a20$24d52352@steve8olbxz78h>

Try Douglas Valley Breakers(not the cheapest), Porschapart (found them very
helpful in the past) or Prestige Salvage (again very helpful). All can be
found on Google.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Angus Fox
Sent: 16 August 2005 17:26
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Cc: mpck at intekom.com
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 tail light

 Miles, please send these direct to the list (928uk at 928.org.uk) or they sit
in my inbox till I spot them

Angus
--
This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
addressee.

If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your system
and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to it,
in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928.org.uk [mailto:angusf at 928.org.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:44 PM
To: angusf at 928.org.uk
Subject: 928 S4

This is an enquiry e-mail from Miles Orbell ()
 
Anyone know where i can get a good, unscratched left rear tail light
assembly from for a 1989 S4 ?



_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk





From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Tue Aug 16 19:29:06 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:29:06 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 tail light
In-Reply-To: <200508161626.j7GGPuIx026183@mac.com>
References: <200508161626.j7GGPuIx026183@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1124216946.28393.240815201@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Ebay

PORSCHE 928 S4 / GT / GTS rear light Item number: 4568551328  

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4568551328&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

Not my item.

Joe

----- Original message -----
From: "Angus Fox" <angusf at mac.com>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:25:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 tail light

 Miles, please send these direct to the list (928uk at 928.org.uk) or they
 sit
in my inbox till I spot them

Angus
--
This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
addressee.

If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your
system
and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to
it,
in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928.org.uk [mailto:angusf at 928.org.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:44 PM
To: angusf at 928.org.uk
Subject: 928 S4

This is an enquiry e-mail from Miles Orbell ()
 
Anyone know where i can get a good, unscratched left rear tail light
assembly from for a 1989 S4 ?



_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk


From mfordeuk at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 19:44:41 2005
From: mfordeuk at hotmail.com (mike forde)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:44:41 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
In-Reply-To: <200508152132.j7FLW180011748@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-F3058C05806B0BB6ED98F05C6B00@phx.gbl>

Hi Miles

Just had my spoiler fixed at the OPC here in Edinburgh - they have to remove 
it from the tailgate to adjust it....

Good luck!

Mike
87 S4 auto, 139K miles, Edinburgh


>From: "Angus Fox" <angusf at mac.com>
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>CC: mpck at intekom.com
>Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
>Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:32:03 +0100
>
>Forwarded to the list...
>
>
>Angus
>--
>This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
>addressee.
>
>If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
>addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your system
>and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to it,
>in any way.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: 928.org.uk
>Subject: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
>
>This is an enquiry e-mail from Miles Orbell
>
>1. Anyone know how to fix a loose rear S4 spoiler. It is loose internally,
>inject epoxy or similar ?
>
>2. Where to find windscreen air vent cover/trims. Saw them somewhere on the
>web, cannot find them again. They look like very neat plastic items that
>cover the small cracks around the demist vents.
>
>3. Anywhere in the UK that I can get my dashboard refurbished to a high
>standard & recovered with leather or other product ?
>
>4. Any tips on how to completely flush coolant system after it has been
>contaminated with oil from a leak from the oil cooler ?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk

_________________________________________________________________
Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! 
http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters



From mfordeuk at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 19:45:07 2005
From: mfordeuk at hotmail.com (mike forde)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:45:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
In-Reply-To: <200508152132.j7FLW180011748@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-F166C8B39F4FFB28120FDB1C6B00@phx.gbl>

Hi Miles

Just had my spoiler fixed at the OPC here in Edinburgh - they have to remove 
it from the tailgate to adjust it....

Good luck!

Mike
87 S4 auto, 139K miles, Edinburgh


>From: "Angus Fox" <angusf at mac.com>
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>CC: mpck at intekom.com
>Subject: [928uk] FW: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
>Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:32:03 +0100
>
>Forwarded to the list...
>
>
>Angus
>--
>This email and any attachment is intended for and confidential to the
>addressee.
>
>If you are neither the addressee nor an authorised recipient for the
>addressee please notify us of receipt, delete this message from your system
>and do not use, copy or disseminate the information in, or attached to it,
>in any way.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: 928.org.uk
>Subject: 928 S4 1989 Auto.
>
>This is an enquiry e-mail from Miles Orbell
>
>1. Anyone know how to fix a loose rear S4 spoiler. It is loose internally,
>inject epoxy or similar ?
>
>2. Where to find windscreen air vent cover/trims. Saw them somewhere on the
>web, cannot find them again. They look like very neat plastic items that
>cover the small cracks around the demist vents.
>
>3. Anywhere in the UK that I can get my dashboard refurbished to a high
>standard & recovered with leather or other product ?
>
>4. Any tips on how to completely flush coolant system after it has been
>contaminated with oil from a leak from the oil cooler ?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk

_________________________________________________________________
Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! 
http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters



From mfordeuk at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 19:48:17 2005
From: mfordeuk at hotmail.com (mike forde)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:48:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
Message-ID: <BAY18-F23DC9E2EB1C03A7C4D5E7C6B00@phx.gbl>

Hi All

My 87 S4 auto, 139K miles has just failed the MOT. Nearside centre (or 2nd) 
exhaust box is shot. Any experiences with these custom stainless teel 
systems?

Or any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Mike Forde
87 S4 auto 139K miles, Edinburgh

_________________________________________________________________
Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! 
http://messenger.msn.co.uk



From alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 20:01:37 2005
From: alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk (Alan Van Emden)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:01:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Spotted
Message-ID: <003801c5a295$08a7d210$20d74e51@porscheman>

Hi Guys and Girls of course

Walking to the shops saw a Navy GTS in Rickmansworth Lane, Chalfont St Peter  index M40 GTS (nice plate).  Anybody on the list?

Alan

Red 91GT
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/44d4aa08/attachment-0001.html>

From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 20:05:20 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:05:20 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
References: <BAY18-F23DC9E2EB1C03A7C4D5E7C6B00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001501c5a295$73979d30$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Go to Blue Flame & get a whole fantastic stainless system for around ?500 
(c. the price of the box alone from Porsche).  Huge fun, great sound, lasts 
for ever.
Simon  (had on S4 & GTS, fantastic)
usual disclaimers
PS Paul Anderson can also help
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike forde" <mfordeuk at hotmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?


> Hi All
>
> My 87 S4 auto, 139K miles has just failed the MOT. Nearside centre (or 
> 2nd) exhaust box is shot. Any experiences with these custom stainless teel 
> systems?
>
> Or any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Forde
> 87 S4 auto 139K miles, Edinburgh
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! 
> http://messenger.msn.co.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 20:24:18 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:24:18 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-F23DC9E2EB1C03A7C4D5E7C6B00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F35E2E1D9DF8E8C7E2A4078FAB00@phx.gbl>


Mike

If your thinking of replacing the whole system from the front box to the 
back box of the car. Buy an x pipe from the states fit 2.5 stainless pipe to 
2 oval center boxes then 2.5 pipe again out to the back of the car job done, 
good sound, lasts a long time and real power increase also.


Stuart

>From: "mike forde" <mfordeuk at hotmail.com>
>To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:48:17 +0100
>
>Hi All
>
>My 87 S4 auto, 139K miles has just failed the MOT. Nearside centre (or 2nd) 
>exhaust box is shot. Any experiences with these custom stainless teel 
>systems?
>
>Or any other suggestions?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mike Forde
>87 S4 auto 139K miles, Edinburgh
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! 
>http://messenger.msn.co.uk
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk




From Dk928 at aol.com  Tue Aug 16 20:32:15 2005
From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:32:15 EDT
Subject: [928uk] 928GT Temperature Gauge - where does yours read?
Message-ID: <1f2.fd8d391.3033993f@aol.com>

91 S4 registering 80C when warmed up.....constant !!
 
Dave
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/e151b368/attachment-0001.html>

From hans at hans.me.uk  Tue Aug 16 20:46:08 2005
From: hans at hans.me.uk (Hans)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:46:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F35E2E1D9DF8E8C7E2A4078FAB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008e01c5a29b$28b10e90$0201a8c0@paulpc>

Rather than get one from the US, Richard Armstrong is developing one at
this very minute - I think he has Dyno tests before and after, showing
12 bhp extra ?

Hans
 
87 S4 Auto
91 S4 Auto
 
www.hans.me.uk
 
www.driving4progress.co.uk 


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of stuart hickmott
Sent: 16 August 2005 20:24
To: mfordeuk at hotmail.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?



Mike

If your thinking of replacing the whole system from the front box to the

back box of the car. Buy an x pipe from the states fit 2.5 stainless
pipe to 
2 oval center boxes then 2.5 pipe again out to the back of the car job
done, 
good sound, lasts a long time and real power increase also.


Stuart

>From: "mike forde" <mfordeuk at hotmail.com>
>To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:48:17 +0100
>
>Hi All
>
>My 87 S4 auto, 139K miles has just failed the MOT. Nearside centre (or
2nd) 
>exhaust box is shot. Any experiences with these custom stainless teel 
>systems?
>
>Or any other suggestions?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mike Forde
>87 S4 auto 139K miles, Edinburgh
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! 
>http://messenger.msn.co.uk
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk


_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk





From antony.osler at which.net  Tue Aug 16 20:59:59 2005
From: antony.osler at which.net (Tony Osler)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:59:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Spotted
In-Reply-To: <003801c5a295$08a7d210$20d74e51@porscheman>
Message-ID: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHOEIBCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>

Alan,

Why were you walking when you have a 928? Smiffy thought I should not have
been driving a Peugeot (although I had 2 large cases and three passengers)-
what was your excuse?

Tony

86S2
POO 928
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Alan Van Emden
  Sent: 16 August 2005 20:02
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] Spotted


  Hi Guys and Girls of course

  Walking to the shops saw a Navy GTS in Rickmansworth Lane, Chalfont St
Peter  index M40 GTS (nice plate).  Anybody on the list?

  Alan

  Red 91GT
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/87960bdf/attachment-0001.html>

From redlightjumper at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 21:22:13 2005
From: redlightjumper at yahoo.co.uk (redlightjumper)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:22:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] The Business
Message-ID: <20050816202213.6141.qmail@web26010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Just saw a trailer for the soon to be released film "The Business" and was that or was that not a nice 928 S2 racing across my screen? Anyone else see it or did I nod off and dream?
 
Carl
'86 S2 Silver...The Shark


		
---------------------------------
To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/8a584a7c/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: Shark.JPG
Type: image/pjpeg
Size: 1770 bytes
Desc: 1899390908-Shark.JPG
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050816/8a584a7c/attachment-0001.bin>

From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 05:26:51 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:26:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] The Business
In-Reply-To: <20050816202213.6141.qmail@web26010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20050816202213.6141.qmail@web26010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98697a4305081621262a22bcde@mail.gmail.com>

Saw the trailer last week. Strange colour coded rear spoiler and
non-standard wheels were a little confusing at first.

For more details
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429715/

In case you don't get out much here's the trailer
http://www.thebusinessmovie.co.uk/stream_wmv.html

Paul
87 S4 Manual



On 8/16/05, redlightjumper <redlightjumper at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Just saw a trailer for the soon to be released film "The Business" and was
> that or was that not a nice 928 S2 racing across my screen? Anyone else see
> it or did I nod off and dream?
>  
> Carl
> '86 S2 Silver...The Shark
> 
> ________________________________
> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo!
> Security Centre. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 
> 
>


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Wed Aug 17 07:07:12 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:07:12 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Spotted
References: <NBBBLMJIHNNGLAKOHKFHOEIBCJAA.antony.osler@which.net>
Message-ID: <001501c5a2f1$e97febe0$35667cca@computername>

You're allowed to drive your pug Tony, just be suitably ashamed when you see another 928 
on the road.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Osler" <antony.osler at which.net>
To: "Alan Van Emden" <alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Spotted


> Alan,
>
> Why were you walking when you have a 928? Smiffy thought I should not have
> been driving a Peugeot (although I had 2 large cases and three passengers)-
> what was your excuse?
>
> Tony
>
> 86S2
> POO 928
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
> Of Alan Van Emden
>  Sent: 16 August 2005 20:02
>  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>  Subject: [928uk] Spotted
>
>
>  Hi Guys and Girls of course
>
>  Walking to the shops saw a Navy GTS in Rickmansworth Lane, Chalfont St
> Peter  index M40 GTS (nice plate).  Anybody on the list?
>
>  Alan
>
>  Red 91GT
>


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 08:38:14 2005
From: alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk (alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:38:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [928uk] Spotted
Message-ID: <15097828.1124264294625.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203>

Well I do need the exercise and the shop is only 300 meters from home.

Alan 
Red 91GT





> Message Received: Aug 16 2005, 08:56 PM
> From: "Tony Osler" 
> To: "Alan Van Emden" , 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Cc: 
> Subject: RE: [928uk] Spotted
> 
> 
Alan,

Why were you walking when you have a 928? Smiffy thought I should not have been driving a Peugeot (although I had 2 large cases and three passengers)- what was your excuse?

Tony

86S2
POO 928
-----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Alan Van Emden
> Sent: 16 August 2005 20:02
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Spotted
> 
> 
Hi Guys and Girls of course

Walking to the shops saw a Navy GTS in Rickmansworth Lane, Chalfont St Peter  index M40 GTS (nice plate).  Anybody on the list?

Alan

Red 91GT
> 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050817/887769b9/attachment-0001.html>

From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Wed Aug 17 08:44:18 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:44:18 +1200
Subject: [928uk] The Business
References: <20050816202213.6141.qmail@web26010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<98697a4305081621262a22bcde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007701c5a2ff$7bfc9c40$35667cca@computername>

Could they be Design 90s on an S?
Exceedingly good taste.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <ukkid35 at gmail.com>
To: "redlightjumper" <redlightjumper at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] The Business


> Saw the trailer last week. Strange colour coded rear spoiler and
> non-standard wheels were a little confusing at first.
> 
> For more details
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429715/
> 
> In case you don't get out much here's the trailer
> http://www.thebusinessmovie.co.uk/stream_wmv.html
> 
> Paul
> 87 S4 Manual
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/05, redlightjumper <redlightjumper at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Just saw a trailer for the soon to be released film "The Business" and was
>> that or was that not a nice 928 S2 racing across my screen? Anyone else see
>> it or did I nod off and dream?
>>  
>> Carl
>> '86 S2 Silver...The Shark
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo!
>> Security Centre. 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 928uk mailing list
>> 928uk at 928.org.uk
>> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>> 928.org.uk
>> 
>> 
>>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>


From richard at ritech-systems.com  Wed Aug 17 09:23:37 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:23:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
In-Reply-To: <008e01c5a29b$28b10e90$0201a8c0@paulpc>
References: <BAY101-F35E2E1D9DF8E8C7E2A4078FAB00@phx.gbl>
	<008e01c5a29b$28b10e90$0201a8c0@paulpc>
Message-ID: <ZIo3fEKJQvADFwEG@ritech-systems.com>

This is true. I have a last development to try before producing a number 
of sets of pipes, but I need a manual for testing as the auto tends to 
spin on the rollers and distort the results. Getting me, a manual, and 
the rolling road people  together at the same time is proving difficult 
as everybody is very busy right now.

The 12 bhp difference I recorded is true, and I can most definitely feel 
the difference, but I have discovered that this was mainly due to 
removal of the CATS which become blocked with age. The real subjective 
difference is 3-4bhp and that is what I am trying to improve on.

Don't believe the tosh that some people come out with when it comes to 
claims of 10+ bhp from exhaust mods. I have done a lot of testing and 
spent a lot of money trying various ideas and, basically, Porsche 
engineers were not about to lose loads of power to a cheap system, so 
they designed it well to ensure they did not waste power. The CATS were 
the only intrusive components by necessity, and they are the only cause 
of any real restriction - the rest of the system is straight through - 
born out by NOT gaining any power by replacing the rear muffler.
That said I am hopeful that this latest mod will yield just a few bhp.

The sound of the X pipes is something else. Not as loud and raucous as 
an RMB which can be intrusive, but hard edged on acceleration and quite 
subtle. They will all be stainless steel, except the development pipes 
which I will sell at some time.
Watch this space


Richard

In message <008e01c5a29b$28b10e90$0201a8c0 at paulpc>, Hans 
<hans at hans.me.uk> writes
>Rather than get one from the US, Richard Armstrong is developing one at
>this very minute - I think he has Dyno tests before and after, showing
>12 bhp extra ?
>
>Hans
>
>87 S4 Auto
>91 S4 Auto
>
>www.hans.me.uk
>
>www.driving4progress.co.uk
>
>

-- 
There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
of it is half of them are true.
         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From SSaunders at potato.org.uk  Wed Aug 17 11:54:24 2005
From: SSaunders at potato.org.uk (Steve Saunders)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:54:24 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
Message-ID: <54E59FC84E3B86499B5CCA0C39E136C00D0208@duke.potato.org.uk>

Morning all,
I feel the time has come when I need to sort my radiator.  Yesterday I lost about 1 litre of coolant during an 11 mile drive to work.  I have known the rad to be leaky for a while - it appears to be the core - not the end caps or hose connections.  So for peace of mind as much as anything I need to sort it.... anybody got any recommendations for a good recore (I know they are a horrendous price new) ?  I am happy to remove and refit myself but just need to know where to send it to ?  BTW Car is an '85 S2 Auto.

Steve.


This message has been scanned for viruses by MailController - www.MailController.altohiway.com


From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Wed Aug 17 12:20:53 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:20:53 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
References: <54E59FC84E3B86499B5CCA0C39E136C00D0208@duke.potato.org.uk>
Message-ID: <00d001c5a31d$bbf2d580$35667cca@computername>

Any Serk Marston place should be able to do it. Look in your yellow pages. Should be not 
much more than ?100.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Saunders" <SSaunders at potato.org.uk>
To: "928uk (E-mail)" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?


> Morning all,
> I feel the time has come when I need to sort my radiator.  Yesterday I lost about 1 
> litre of coolant during an 11 mile drive to work.  I have known the rad to be leaky for 
> a while - it appears to be the core - not the end caps or hose connections.  So for 
> peace of mind as much as anything I need to sort it.... anybody got any recommendations 
> for a good recore (I know they are a horrendous price new) ?  I am happy to remove and 
> refit myself but just need to know where to send it to ?  BTW Car is an '85 S2 Auto.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> This message has been scanned for viruses by MailController - 
> www.MailController.altohiway.com
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 



From asweetenham at uku.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 18:12:40 2005
From: asweetenham at uku.co.uk (Andrew Sweetenham)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:12:40 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <00d001c5a31d$bbf2d580$35667cca@computername>
Message-ID: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>

Hi All,

Any ideas on this one? (928GT '93 with CAT)

When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and then
settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking hard
(and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.

Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
* All new intake rubbers
* All new vacuum lines
* Idle stabilisation valve
* LH ECU
* MAF
* injectors ultrasonically cleaned

Keen to put some ProMAX Performance Chips in the car, but want to resolve
this first. Any suggestions gratefully received.

Regards,
Andrew

'93 Guards Red 928GT


Andrew Sweetenham
ProMAX Motorsport
Porsche Performance Specialists
Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
web: www.promaxmotorsport.com


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Paul R Smith
Sent: 17 August 2005 12:21
To: 928uk (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?

Any Serk Marston place should be able to do it. Look in your yellow pages.
Should be not much more than ?100.

Smiffy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Saunders" <SSaunders at potato.org.uk>
To: "928uk (E-mail)" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?


> Morning all,
> I feel the time has come when I need to sort my radiator.  Yesterday I
lost about 1 
> litre of coolant during an 11 mile drive to work.  I have known the rad to
be leaky for 
> a while - it appears to be the core - not the end caps or hose
connections.  So for 
> peace of mind as much as anything I need to sort it.... anybody got any
recommendations 
> for a good recore (I know they are a horrendous price new) ?  I am happy
to remove and 
> refit myself but just need to know where to send it to ?  BTW Car is an
'85 S2 Auto.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> This message has been scanned for viruses by MailController - 
> www.MailController.altohiway.com
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

-- 
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
 

-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
 



From mab at 928.org.uk  Wed Aug 17 19:45:05 2005
From: mab at 928.org.uk (Mark Baker)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:45:05 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>
References: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>
Message-ID: <1124304305.5176.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Andrew,

Not much help, but, my 1990 GT has occasionally (i.e on a couple of
occasions) exhibited similar behaviour both before and after a set of
your chips. I suspect that it may be due to a temperamental throttle
switch but will leave the diagnosis to an expert when next having the
car serviced.

Mark


On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 18:12 +0100, Andrew Sweetenham wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Any ideas on this one? (928GT '93 with CAT)
> 
> When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and then
> settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking hard
> (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
> 
> Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
> * All new intake rubbers
> * All new vacuum lines
> * Idle stabilisation valve
> * LH ECU
> * MAF
> * injectors ultrasonically cleaned
> 
> Keen to put some ProMAX Performance Chips in the car, but want to resolve
> this first. Any suggestions gratefully received.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew
> 
> '93 Guards Red 928GT
> 
> 
> Andrew Sweetenham
> ProMAX Motorsport
> Porsche Performance Specialists
> Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
> Of Paul R Smith
> Sent: 17 August 2005 12:21
> To: 928uk (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
> 
> Any Serk Marston place should be able to do it. Look in your yellow pages.
> Should be not much more than ?100.
> 
> Smiffy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Saunders" <SSaunders at potato.org.uk>
> To: "928uk (E-mail)" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:54 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
> 
> 
> > Morning all,
> > I feel the time has come when I need to sort my radiator.  Yesterday I
> lost about 1 
> > litre of coolant during an 11 mile drive to work.  I have known the rad to
> be leaky for 
> > a while - it appears to be the core - not the end caps or hose
> connections.  So for 
> > peace of mind as much as anything I need to sort it.... anybody got any
> recommendations 
> > for a good recore (I know they are a horrendous price new) ?  I am happy
> to remove and 
> > refit myself but just need to know where to send it to ?  BTW Car is an
> '85 S2 Auto.
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> >
> > This message has been scanned for viruses by MailController - 
> > www.MailController.altohiway.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
>  
> 



From marton at befree.ch  Wed Aug 17 21:25:20 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:25:20 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
References: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>
	<1124304305.5176.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <006001c5a369$ca65f420$6401a8c0@simone>

sounds like a vacuum line problem.  Maybe they missed one?  Or maybe the
vacuum distributor (about the size of a cigarette packet) under the central
console is faulty?  Or one of the vacuum lines coming from this distributor
is faulty?

I assume you have a manual? Otherwise, people often miss to replace the long
vacuum line going down to the auto...

Marton



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Baker" <mab at 928.org.uk>
To: "Andrew Sweetenham" <asweetenham at uku.co.uk>
Cc: "'928uk (E-mail)'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT


> Andrew,
>
> Not much help, but, my 1990 GT has occasionally (i.e on a couple of
> occasions) exhibited similar behaviour both before and after a set of
> your chips. I suspect that it may be due to a temperamental throttle
> switch but will leave the diagnosis to an expert when next having the
> car serviced.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 18:12 +0100, Andrew Sweetenham wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Any ideas on this one? (928GT '93 with CAT)
> >
> > When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and
then
> > settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking
hard
> > (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
> >
> > Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
> > * All new intake rubbers
> > * All new vacuum lines
> > * Idle stabilisation valve
> > * LH ECU
> > * MAF
> > * injectors ultrasonically cleaned
> >
> > Keen to put some ProMAX Performance Chips in the car, but want to
resolve
> > this first. Any suggestions gratefully received.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> > '93 Guards Red 928GT
> >
> >
> > Andrew Sweetenham
> > ProMAX Motorsport
> > Porsche Performance Specialists
> > Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> > Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> > email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> > web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf
> > Of Paul R Smith
> > Sent: 17 August 2005 12:21
> > To: 928uk (E-mail)
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
> >
> > Any Serk Marston place should be able to do it. Look in your yellow
pages.
> > Should be not much more than ?100.
> >
> > Smiffy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Saunders" <SSaunders at potato.org.uk>
> > To: "928uk (E-mail)" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:54 PM
> > Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
> >
> >
> > > Morning all,
> > > I feel the time has come when I need to sort my radiator.  Yesterday I
> > lost about 1
> > > litre of coolant during an 11 mile drive to work.  I have known the
rad to
> > be leaky for
> > > a while - it appears to be the core - not the end caps or hose
> > connections.  So for
> > > peace of mind as much as anything I need to sort it.... anybody got
any
> > recommendations
> > > for a good recore (I know they are a horrendous price new) ?  I am
happy
> > to remove and
> > > refit myself but just need to know where to send it to ?  BTW Car is
an
> > '85 S2 Auto.
> > >
> > > Steve.
> > >
> > >
> > > This message has been scanned for viruses by MailController -
> > > www.MailController.altohiway.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 928uk mailing list
> > > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > > 928.org.uk
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date:
15/08/2005
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15.08.05
>
>



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15.08.05



From adrian928 at tesco.net  Wed Aug 17 21:32:43 2005
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:32:43 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
Message-ID: <20050817203245.UNMS7501.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>

Andrew, I would check the throttle switch is Ok and  the throttle cable is adjusted correcty + make sure no vacuum leaks/loose hoses.

Regards
Adrian
> 
> From: "Andrew Sweetenham" <asweetenham at uku.co.uk>
> Date: 2005/08/17 Wed PM 05:12:40 GMT
> To: "'928uk \(E-mail\)'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Any ideas on this one? (928GT '93 with CAT)
> 
> When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and then
> settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking hard
> (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
> 
> Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
> * All new intake rubbers
> * All new vacuum lines
> * Idle stabilisation valve
> * LH ECU
> * MAF
> * injectors ultrasonically cleaned
> 
> Keen to put some ProMAX Performance Chips in the car, but want to resolve
> this first. Any suggestions gratefully received.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew
> 
> '93 Guards Red 928GT
> 
> 
> Andrew Sweetenham
> ProMAX Motorsport
> Porsche Performance Specialists
> Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
> Of Paul R Smith
> Sent: 17 August 2005 12:21
> To: 928uk (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
> 
> Any Serk Marston place should be able to do it. Look in your yellow pages.
> Should be not much more than ?100.
> 
> Smiffy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Saunders" <SSaunders at potato.org.uk>
> To: "928uk (E-mail)" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:54 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
> 
> 
> > Morning all,
> > I feel the time has come when I need to sort my radiator.  Yesterday I
> lost about 1 
> > litre of coolant during an 11 mile drive to work.  I have known the rad to
> be leaky for 
> > a while - it appears to be the core - not the end caps or hose
> connections.  So for 
> > peace of mind as much as anything I need to sort it.... anybody got any
> recommendations 
> > for a good recore (I know they are a horrendous price new) ?  I am happy
> to remove and 
> > refit myself but just need to know where to send it to ?  BTW Car is an
> '85 S2 Auto.
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> >
> > This message has been scanned for viruses by MailController - 
> > www.MailController.altohiway.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > 928uk mailing list
> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> > 928.org.uk
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
>  
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 



From ppconway at mac.com  Wed Aug 17 21:40:10 2005
From: ppconway at mac.com (Paul Conway)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:40:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Help please
Message-ID: <1457875.1124311210520.JavaMail.ppconway@mac.com>

Help please...

my immobiliser has stopped working - factory / Porsche fitted system in a 93 GTS Auto.

I have managed in the past to achieve this, but cannot remember how to fix it... heres the chronologicals etc


Was working fine,
decided to pop into M&S for some nibbles
back to car, opened boot with key
found I did not need to re-mobilise when starting off again, which saved a few seconds, but worrying..!
when home, switch off ignitiion, can hear a tick-tick-----tick-tick, imobiliser seems disabled.


Am I missing something when I open car with key? have I disabled immobiliser?

also noticed something odd when I flicked the switch beside boot opener/hedlights adjustment next to handbrake - this disables alarm when sunroof and windows are left open whern car is locked - when this is set to disable alarm when windows/sunroof is open, the pop up stubs in door have flashing LEDs working, but when it is set to alram fully primed, the LEDs do not work...! I wouuld have thought the LEDs should work anyway?

Have I srewy wiring?

Is there a sensor/interlock stuck somewhere that makes the system think there is a door/window open that has disabled the immobiliser.

I did notive when turing on the ignition again that I am being reminded to check oil levels... its due for a drop of il so that is no surprise... buit does the on board 'intelligence' interact with immobiliser etc ?


Paul P Conway
Midnight GTS


From email at jbreckeen.org  Wed Aug 17 22:45:38 2005
From: email at jbreckeen.org (Joshua Breckeen)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:45:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <006001c5a369$ca65f420$6401a8c0@simone>
Message-ID: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAIECFCOAA.email@jbreckeen.org>

These are the exact symptoms as I had on my GT.

I know John Speake will chime in on this one, but you need to get your idle adapted to your new MAF.  The Bosch Hammer does this, as well as John's new "Spanner" diagnostic tool.

There is an option for idle adaptation, and will set your idle correctly.  This is one of those little known things;  I had the same problem.  I took off the intake and changed the idle stabilizer valve, but still had the problem.  Spoke to John, who offered to set the idle with his Hammer - and presto - all sorted!

The bitch of it is that this idle adaptation setting is volatile.  Which means when you disconnect the battery, it loses the settings.  So, I purchased one of his "Spanners".  And am very happy with it.  I recommend all owners of the applicable years (I think it is 89 on) to get one of John's tools.  The diagnostic info it reveals can help you sort out many running problems.


Hope this helps . . . 


Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts

91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic 


> > Hi All,
> >
> > Any ideas on this one? (928GT '93 with CAT)
> >
> > When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and
then
> > settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking
hard
> > (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
> >
> > Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
> > * All new intake rubbers
> > * All new vacuum lines
> > * Idle stabilisation valve
> > * LH ECU
> > * MAF
> > * injectors ultrasonically cleaned
> >
> > Keen to put some ProMAX Performance Chips in the car, but want to
resolve
> > this first. Any suggestions gratefully received.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> > '93 Guards Red 928GT
> >
> >
> > Andrew Sweetenham
> > ProMAX Motorsport
> > Porsche Performance Specialists
> > Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> > Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> > email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> > web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
> >



From marton at befree.ch  Wed Aug 17 23:54:57 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:54:57 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
References: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAIECFCOAA.email@jbreckeen.org>
Message-ID: <009701c5a37e$b0a160a0$6401a8c0@simone>

> I recommend all owners of the applicable years (I think it is 89 on) to
get one of John's tools

it is not getting it but what you do with it that counts...

Marton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Breckeen" <email at jbreckeen.org>
To: "928uk Mailing List" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT


> These are the exact symptoms as I had on my GT.
>
> I know John Speake will chime in on this one, but you need to get your
idle adapted to your new MAF.  The Bosch Hammer does this, as well as John's
new "Spanner" diagnostic tool.
>
> There is an option for idle adaptation, and will set your idle correctly.
This is one of those little known things;  I had the same problem.  I took
off the intake and changed the idle stabilizer valve, but still had the
problem.  Spoke to John, who offered to set the idle with his Hammer - and
presto - all sorted!
>
> The bitch of it is that this idle adaptation setting is volatile.  Which
means when you disconnect the battery, it loses the settings.  So, I
purchased one of his "Spanners".  And am very happy with it.  I recommend
all owners of the applicable years (I think it is 89 on) to get one of
John's tools.  The diagnostic info it reveals can help you sort out many
running problems.
>
>
> Hope this helps . . .
>
>
> Joshua Breckeen
> Whitwell, Herts
>
> 91 GT   Polar Silver Metallic
>
>
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Any ideas on this one? (928GT '93 with CAT)
> > >
> > > When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and
> then
> > > settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking
> hard
> > > (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
> > >
> > > Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
> > > * All new intake rubbers
> > > * All new vacuum lines
> > > * Idle stabilisation valve
> > > * LH ECU
> > > * MAF
> > > * injectors ultrasonically cleaned
> > >
> > > Keen to put some ProMAX Performance Chips in the car, but want to
> resolve
> > > this first. Any suggestions gratefully received.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > '93 Guards Red 928GT
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Sweetenham
> > > ProMAX Motorsport
> > > Porsche Performance Specialists
> > > Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> > > Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> > > email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> > > web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
> > >
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15.08.05
>
>



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15.08.05



From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 00:09:40 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:09:40 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
In-Reply-To: <ZIo3fEKJQvADFwEG@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F191F5B576EA3C00C66D967FAB30@phx.gbl>

Rich


What was you air fuel ratio when you gained those few extra gee gees.


Stuart


>From: Richard Armstrong <richard at ritech-systems.com>
>To: Hans <hans at hans.me.uk>
>CC: 'stuart hickmott' <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>, 928uk <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:23:37 +0100
>
>This is true. I have a last development to try before producing a number of 
>sets of pipes, but I need a manual for testing as the auto tends to spin on 
>the rollers and distort the results. Getting me, a manual, and the rolling 
>road people  together at the same time is proving difficult as everybody is 
>very busy right now.
>
>The 12 bhp difference I recorded is true, and I can most definitely feel 
>the difference, but I have discovered that this was mainly due to removal 
>of the CATS which become blocked with age. The real subjective difference 
>is 3-4bhp and that is what I am trying to improve on.
>
>Don't believe the tosh that some people come out with when it comes to 
>claims of 10+ bhp from exhaust mods. I have done a lot of testing and spent 
>a lot of money trying various ideas and, basically, Porsche engineers were 
>not about to lose loads of power to a cheap system, so they designed it 
>well to ensure they did not waste power. The CATS were the only intrusive 
>components by necessity, and they are the only cause of any real 
>restriction - the rest of the system is straight through - born out by NOT 
>gaining any power by replacing the rear muffler.
>That said I am hopeful that this latest mod will yield just a few bhp.
>
>The sound of the X pipes is something else. Not as loud and raucous as an 
>RMB which can be intrusive, but hard edged on acceleration and quite 
>subtle. They will all be stainless steel, except the development pipes 
>which I will sell at some time.
>Watch this space
>
>
>Richard
>
>In message <008e01c5a29b$28b10e90$0201a8c0 at paulpc>, Hans <hans at hans.me.uk> 
>writes
>>Rather than get one from the US, Richard Armstrong is developing one at
>>this very minute - I think he has Dyno tests before and after, showing
>>12 bhp extra ?
>>
>>Hans
>>
>>87 S4 Auto
>>91 S4 Auto
>>
>>www.hans.me.uk
>>
>>www.driving4progress.co.uk
>>
>>
>
>--
>There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
>of it is half of them are true.
>         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
>---------------------
>
>RITECH Systems Ltd
>www.ritech-systems.com
>Tel: 01380 818094
>Mob: 07702 541137
>




From alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 00:35:05 2005
From: alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk (Alexander Popov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:35:05 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAIECFCOAA.email@jbreckeen.org>
Message-ID: <20050817233505.47114.qmail@web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Joshua,
 
I am not sure that you need the Hammer or the Spanner to adapt idle to new MAFs. I had a new MAF from John on my GT and the car idles perfectly. I have had to disconnect the battery three times since then and the car would idle perfectly after each time. Idles speed is governed by the closed loop - thus the spanner/hammer is unlikely to be able to change the settings already in place.
 
Of course I stand to be corrected...
 
My guess is that the throttle position siwitch or the ICV are shot, or a vacuum line is loose...
 
Alex
 
1984 928 S2 Manual
1990 928 GT

Joshua Breckeen <email at jbreckeen.org> wrote:
These are the exact symptoms as I had on my GT.

I know John Speake will chime in on this one, but you need to get your idle adapted to your new MAF. The Bosch Hammer does this, as well as John's new "Spanner" diagnostic tool.

There is an option for idle adaptation, and will set your idle correctly. This is one of those little known things; I had the same problem. I took off the intake and changed the idle stabilizer valve, but still had the problem. Spoke to John, who offered to set the idle with his Hammer - and presto - all sorted!

The bitch of it is that this idle adaptation setting is volatile. Which means when you disconnect the battery, it loses the settings. So, I purchased one of his "Spanners". And am very happy with it. I recommend all owners of the applicable years (I think it is 89 on) to get one of John's tools. The diagnostic info it reveals can help you sort out many running problems.


Hope this helps . . . 


Joshua Breckeen
Whitwell, Herts

91 GT Polar Silver Metallic 


> > Hi All,
> >
> > Any ideas on this one? (928GT '93 with CAT)
> >
> > When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and
then
> > settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking
hard
> > (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
> >
> > Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
> > * All new intake rubbers
> > * All new vacuum lines
> > * Idle stabilisation valve
> > * LH ECU
> > * MAF
> > * injectors ultrasonically cleaned
> >
> > Keen to put some ProMAX Performance Chips in the car, but want to
resolve
> > this first. Any suggestions gratefully received.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> > '93 Guards Red 928GT
> >
> >
> > Andrew Sweetenham
> > ProMAX Motorsport
> > Porsche Performance Specialists
> > Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
> > Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
> > email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
> > web: www.promaxmotorsport.com
> >

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk

		
---------------------------------
To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050818/6da1419d/attachment-0001.html>

From richard at ritech-systems.com  Thu Aug 18 09:02:52 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:02:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F191F5B576EA3C00C66D967FAB30@phx.gbl>
References: <ZIo3fEKJQvADFwEG@ritech-systems.com>
	<BAY101-F191F5B576EA3C00C66D967FAB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <vyAaRWMsCEBDFw4E@ritech-systems.com>


Haven't got a clue
Rich


In message <BAY101-F191F5B576EA3C00C66D967FAB30 at phx.gbl>, stuart 
hickmott <stuart928gt at hotmail.com> writes
>Rich
>
>
>What was you air fuel ratio when you gained those few extra gee gees.
>
>
>Stuart
>
>
>>From: Richard Armstrong <richard at ritech-systems.com>
>>To: Hans <hans at hans.me.uk>
>>CC: 'stuart hickmott' <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>, 928uk <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>>Subject: Re: [928uk] Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust experiences?
>>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:23:37 +0100
>>
>>This is true. I have a last development to try before producing a 
>>number of sets of pipes, but I need a manual for testing as the auto 
>>tends to spin on the rollers and distort the results. Getting me, a 
>>manual, and the rolling road people  together at the same time is 
>>proving difficult as everybody is very busy right now.
>>
>>The 12 bhp difference I recorded is true, and I can most definitely 
>>feel the difference, but I have discovered that this was mainly due to 
>>removal of the CATS which become blocked with age. The real subjective 
>>difference is 3-4bhp and that is what I am trying to improve on.
>>
>>Don't believe the tosh that some people come out with when it comes to 
>>claims of 10+ bhp from exhaust mods. I have done a lot of testing and 
>>spent a lot of money trying various ideas and, basically, Porsche 
>>engineers were not about to lose loads of power to a cheap system, so 
>>they designed it well to ensure they did not waste power. The CATS 
>>were the only intrusive components by necessity, and they are the only 
>>cause of any real restriction - the rest of the system is straight 
>>through - born out by NOT gaining any power by replacing the rear muffler.
>>That said I am hopeful that this latest mod will yield just a few bhp.
>>
>>The sound of the X pipes is something else. Not as loud and raucous as 
>>an RMB which can be intrusive, but hard edged on acceleration and 
>>quite subtle. They will all be stainless steel, except the development 
>>pipes which I will sell at some time.
>>Watch this space
>>
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>In message <008e01c5a29b$28b10e90$0201a8c0 at paulpc>, Hans 
>><hans at hans.me.uk> writes
>>>Rather than get one from the US, Richard Armstrong is developing one at
>>>this very minute - I think he has Dyno tests before and after, showing
>>>12 bhp extra ?
>>>
>>>Hans
>>>
>>>87 S4 Auto
>>>91 S4 Auto
>>>
>>>www.hans.me.uk
>>>
>>>www.driving4progress.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
>>of it is half of them are true.
>>         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
>>---------------------
>>
>>RITECH Systems Ltd
>>www.ritech-systems.com
>>Tel: 01380 818094
>>Mob: 07702 541137
>>
>
>
>

-- 
There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
of it is half of them are true.
         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Thu Aug 18 09:11:14 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:11:14 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <20050817233505.47114.qmail@web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAIECFCOAA.email@jbreckeen.org>
	<20050817233505.47114.qmail@web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <vSDap2MiKEBDFw6u@ritech-systems.com>

This is true. The system should sort itself out. I would add O2 sensor 
to the list of possible culprits.
I had my flex plate checked a while ago and the outfit that did it did 
not push the O2 plug back firmly enough, so the sensor dropped out of 
the loop - and the idle went wayward.

I also corrected a 'sudden death' problem  ie .the engine would just cut 
out for no apparent reason, but would restart immediately, eventually 
just by removing and replacing the temp sensor plug.  It has self 
cleaning contacts, and sends identical signals to each ECU. If one is 
garbled the whole thing gets confused
Richard



In message <20050817233505.47114.qmail at web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, 
Alexander Popov <alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Joshua,
>?
>I am not sure that you need the Hammer or the Spanner to adapt idle to
>new MAFs. I had a new MAF from John on my GT and the car idles
>perfectly. I have had to disconnect the battery three times since then and
>the car would idle perfectly after each time. Idles speed is governed by the
>closed loop - thus the spanner/hammer is unlikely to be able to change
>the settings already in place.
>?
>Of course I stand to be corrected...
>?
>My guess is that the throttle position siwitch or?the ICV are shot, or a
>vacuum line is loose...
>?
>Alex
>?
>1984 928 S2 Manual
>1990?928 GT
>

-- 
There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
of it is half of them are true.
         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Thu Aug 18 09:11:14 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:11:14 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <20050817233505.47114.qmail@web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAIECFCOAA.email@jbreckeen.org>
	<20050817233505.47114.qmail@web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <vSDap2MiKEBDFw6u@ritech-systems.com>

This is true. The system should sort itself out. I would add O2 sensor 
to the list of possible culprits.
I had my flex plate checked a while ago and the outfit that did it did 
not push the O2 plug back firmly enough, so the sensor dropped out of 
the loop - and the idle went wayward.

I also corrected a 'sudden death' problem  ie .the engine would just cut 
out for no apparent reason, but would restart immediately, eventually 
just by removing and replacing the temp sensor plug.  It has self 
cleaning contacts, and sends identical signals to each ECU. If one is 
garbled the whole thing gets confused
Richard



In message <20050817233505.47114.qmail at web25404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, 
Alexander Popov <alexander_e_popov at yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Joshua,
>?
>I am not sure that you need the Hammer or the Spanner to adapt idle to
>new MAFs. I had a new MAF from John on my GT and the car idles
>perfectly. I have had to disconnect the battery three times since then and
>the car would idle perfectly after each time. Idles speed is governed by the
>closed loop - thus the spanner/hammer is unlikely to be able to change
>the settings already in place.
>?
>Of course I stand to be corrected...
>?
>My guess is that the throttle position siwitch or?the ICV are shot, or a
>vacuum line is loose...
>?
>Alex
>?
>1984 928 S2 Manual
>1990?928 GT
>

-- 
There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
of it is half of them are true.
         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Aug 18 09:34:57 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:34:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idle on 928GT
References: <NFEHKABGAFJHDBMHPGPAIECFCOAA.email@jbreckeen.org>
Message-ID: <009301c5a3cf$b7860aa0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>


> These are the exact symptoms as I had on my GT.
>
> I know John Speake will chime in on this one, but you need to get your 
> idle adapted to your new MAF.  The Bosch Hammer does this, as well as 
> John's new "Spanner" diagnostic tool.
>
> There is an option for idle adaptation, and will set your idle correctly. 
> This is one of those little known things;  I had the same problem.  I took 
> off the intake and changed the idle stabilizer valve, but still had the 
> problem.  Spoke to John, who offered to set the idle with his Hammer - and 
> presto - all sorted!
>
> The bitch of it is that this idle adaptation setting is volatile.  Which 
> means when you disconnect the battery, it loses the settings.  So, I 
> purchased one of his "Spanners".  And am very happy with it.  I recommend 
> all owners of the applicable years (I think it is 89 on) to get one of 
> John's tools.  The diagnostic info it reveals can help you sort out many 
> running problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi
I've replied to Andrew off list on this one. In an ideal world, with a new 
MAF, the idle loop should work OK after a battery reset. The idle adaptation 
with a Hammer or Spanner would only be required if there is a small airleak 
into the system (within the range of adjustment the loop can give). Worn 
valve guide seals could cause such a problem.

My experience is that O2 loop cars are more likely to require idle 
adaptation than non cat. This may be due to the fact that the O2 loop and 
the idle loop are both resetting injector on times to keep their respective 
loops in balance.

Maybe ageing of the O2 sensor has a part to play in this...

Regards

John 




From richard at ritech-systems.com  Thu Aug 18 09:40:33 2005
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:40:33 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale
Message-ID: <niLYlkOBmEBDFw4X@ritech-systems.com>

Folks


There is a 32valve engine advertised in 911 and Porsche world (there are 
2 actually, but one has gone already).
Its in Slough and I went and took a look at it yesterday. I didn't buy 
it, but if someone has destroyed their engine and is desperate it is 
probably worth the 500 quid he is asking. I did a 160 mile round trip 
with a trailer, so to save anyone else wasting their time I can tell you 
that it is in a bit of a state - there are no ancilliaries at all, and 
that includes timing belt (one pulley) pump manifolds blah blah - it is 
just block and heads.
Apparently it came out of a 70Kmiles  '89 S4 auto and suffered a RH head 
gasket problem. It has been left outside for a while, contrary to what 
the guy said, as there is a good amount of corrosion around the inlet 
valves where water has been sitting. This will have ingressed into the 
bores and I don't think the engine will turn over currently. As there is 
no pulley I couldn't try.
I could not see any endfloat in the crank by tapping it form end to end, 
but its impossible to be sure there is no flex plate damage unless the 
sump comes off. He assured me that it was working when it came out of 
the car.
There is some damage on the ends of both camshafts - been bashed by 
something. The plugs are out and the pistons look ok as far as we could 
see.
He won't take any offers and its probably worth taking a risk for the 
money, but it will take a hell of a lot of work to turn it into a going 
concern. The last nail in the coffin from my point of view was that the 
engine number has been  pretty well ground off. Hmm.

Richard
-- 
There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
of it is half of them are true.
         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137



From adrian928 at tesco.net  Thu Aug 18 10:04:51 2005
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 9:04:51 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale
Message-ID: <20050818090453.LRBP267.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>

"The last nail in the coffin from my point of view was that the engine number has been  pretty well ground off. Hmm."
- I wouldn't touch it if the engine number has been removed, (unless he had a genuine explanation that could be verified)

Regards


> 
> From: Richard Armstrong <richard at ritech-systems.com>
> Date: 2005/08/18 Thu AM 08:40:33 GMT
> To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale
> 
> Folks
> 
> 
> There is a 32valve engine advertised in 911 and Porsche world (there are 
> 2 actually, but one has gone already).
> Its in Slough and I went and took a look at it yesterday. I didn't buy 
> it, but if someone has destroyed their engine and is desperate it is 
> probably worth the 500 quid he is asking. I did a 160 mile round trip 
> with a trailer, so to save anyone else wasting their time I can tell you 
> that it is in a bit of a state - there are no ancilliaries at all, and 
> that includes timing belt (one pulley) pump manifolds blah blah - it is 
> just block and heads.
> Apparently it came out of a 70Kmiles  '89 S4 auto and suffered a RH head 
> gasket problem. It has been left outside for a while, contrary to what 
> the guy said, as there is a good amount of corrosion around the inlet 
> valves where water has been sitting. This will have ingressed into the 
> bores and I don't think the engine will turn over currently. As there is 
> no pulley I couldn't try.
> I could not see any endfloat in the crank by tapping it form end to end, 
> but its impossible to be sure there is no flex plate damage unless the 
> sump comes off. He assured me that it was working when it came out of 
> the car.
> There is some damage on the ends of both camshafts - been bashed by 
> something. The plugs are out and the pistons look ok as far as we could 
> see.
> He won't take any offers and its probably worth taking a risk for the 
> money, but it will take a hell of a lot of work to turn it into a going 
> concern. The last nail in the coffin from my point of view was that the 
> engine number has been  pretty well ground off. Hmm.
> 
> Richard
> -- 
> There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
> of it is half of them are true.
>          -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
> ---------------------
> 
> RITECH Systems Ltd
> www.ritech-systems.com
> Tel: 01380 818094
> Mob: 07702 541137
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 



From SSaunders at potato.org.uk  Thu Aug 18 10:04:18 2005
From: SSaunders at potato.org.uk (Steve Saunders)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:04:18 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?
Message-ID: <54E59FC84E3B86499B5CCA0C39E136C0CE4901@duke.potato.org.uk>

Thanks Smiffy am talking to them now - branch in Peterborough.  They do not have an exchange rad (did not expect really) and want to see it before quoting for repair - will whip it out at the weekend.

Regards

Steve.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith
Sent: 17 August 2005 12:21
To: 928uk (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?


Any Serk Marston place should be able to do it. Look in your yellow pages. Should be not 
much more than ?100.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Saunders" <SSaunders at potato.org.uk>
To: "928uk (E-mail)" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: [928uk] Radiator Recomendations ?


> Morning all,
> I feel the time has come when I need to sort my radiator.  Yesterday I lost about 1 
> litre of coolant during an 11 mile drive to work.  I have known the rad to be leaky for 
> a while - it appears to be the core - not the end caps or hose connections.  So for 
> peace of mind as much as anything I need to sort it.... anybody got any recommendations 
> for a good recore (I know they are a horrendous price new) ?  I am happy to remove and 
> refit myself but just need to know where to send it to ?  BTW Car is an '85 S2 Auto.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> This message has been scanned for viruses by MailController - 
> www.MailController.altohiway.com
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk


From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Thu Aug 18 10:56:54 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:56:54 +1200
Subject: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale
In-Reply-To: <20050818090453.LRBP267.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smtp.tesco.net>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIEPACLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

The only vaguely plausible reason I can think of is.... no I can't think of
one.

Jon
Black SE
Silver GT

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net
Sent: 18 August 2005 21:05
To: Richard Armstrong
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale


"The last nail in the coffin from my point of view was that the engine
number has been  pretty well ground off. Hmm."
- I wouldn't touch it if the engine number has been removed, (unless he had
a genuine explanation that could be verified)

Regards


>
> From: Richard Armstrong <richard at ritech-systems.com>
> Date: 2005/08/18 Thu AM 08:40:33 GMT
> To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale
>
> Folks
>
>
> There is a 32valve engine advertised in 911 and Porsche world (there are
> 2 actually, but one has gone already).
> Its in Slough and I went and took a look at it yesterday. I didn't buy
> it, but if someone has destroyed their engine and is desperate it is
> probably worth the 500 quid he is asking. I did a 160 mile round trip
> with a trailer, so to save anyone else wasting their time I can tell you
> that it is in a bit of a state - there are no ancilliaries at all, and
> that includes timing belt (one pulley) pump manifolds blah blah - it is
> just block and heads.
> Apparently it came out of a 70Kmiles  '89 S4 auto and suffered a RH head
> gasket problem. It has been left outside for a while, contrary to what
> the guy said, as there is a good amount of corrosion around the inlet
> valves where water has been sitting. This will have ingressed into the
> bores and I don't think the engine will turn over currently. As there is
> no pulley I couldn't try.
> I could not see any endfloat in the crank by tapping it form end to end,
> but its impossible to be sure there is no flex plate damage unless the
> sump comes off. He assured me that it was working when it came out of
> the car.
> There is some damage on the ends of both camshafts - been bashed by
> something. The plugs are out and the pistons look ok as far as we could
> see.
> He won't take any offers and its probably worth taking a risk for the
> money, but it will take a hell of a lot of work to turn it into a going
> concern. The last nail in the coffin from my point of view was that the
> engine number has been  pretty well ground off. Hmm.
>
> Richard
> --
> There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
> of it is half of them are true.
>          -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
> ---------------------
>
> RITECH Systems Ltd
> www.ritech-systems.com
> Tel: 01380 818094
> Mob: 07702 541137
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk




From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Thu Aug 18 11:06:41 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:06:41 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Help please
In-Reply-To: <1457875.1124311210520.JavaMail.ppconway@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDOEPACLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Paul

IIRC setting the "switch" should only immobilise the ultrasonic sensors and
stop the "close all windows and sunroof" function from working when you arm
the alarm with the remote.

Realistically it is quite probable that your GTS has an alarm system that is
no longer purely Porsche, and may have had other systems added in reusing
bits of the original POrsche system as whichever alarm hallucinated would be
a good idea at the time. Feel free to come back and tel me I am wrong - if
so your GTS should probably be in a museum as having a completely original
alarm system!

A bit of reverse engineering is required to remove the various bits of old
alarm and immobiliser systems and return the car to as near as stock (minus
alarm) as possible before fitting a modern alarm/immobiliser.

Jon in NZ
Black SE - Alarm - daren't go there yet
Silver GT - removed about 50m of redundant (not connected to anything)
wiring and alarm bits - still looking for the bits that are connected but
don't work.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul Conway
Sent: 18 August 2005 08:40
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Help please


Help please...

my immobiliser has stopped working - factory / Porsche fitted system in a 93
GTS Auto.

I have managed in the past to achieve this, but cannot remember how to fix
it... heres the chronologicals etc


Was working fine,
decided to pop into M&S for some nibbles
back to car, opened boot with key
found I did not need to re-mobilise when starting off again, which saved a
few seconds, but worrying..!
when home, switch off ignitiion, can hear a tick-tick-----tick-tick,
imobiliser seems disabled.


Am I missing something when I open car with key? have I disabled
immobiliser?

also noticed something odd when I flicked the switch beside boot
opener/hedlights adjustment next to handbrake - this disables alarm when
sunroof and windows are left open whern car is locked - when this is set to
disable alarm when windows/sunroof is open, the pop up stubs in door have
flashing LEDs working, but when it is set to alram fully primed, the LEDs do
not work...! I wouuld have thought the LEDs should work anyway?

Have I srewy wiring?

Is there a sensor/interlock stuck somewhere that makes the system think
there is a door/window open that has disabled the immobiliser.

I did notive when turing on the ignition again that I am being reminded to
check oil levels... its due for a drop of il so that is no surprise... buit
does the on board 'intelligence' interact with immobiliser etc ?


Paul P Conway
Midnight GTS
_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk




From cr.walker at lineone.net  Thu Aug 18 17:38:23 2005
From: cr.walker at lineone.net (Clive Walker)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:38:23 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
In-Reply-To: <01b201c59e5b$6bfccf70$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
References: <01b201c59e5b$6bfccf70$c8a8a8c0@TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <0f4e14b6dab3e0aed12a6bc9a79dce05@lineone.net>

Hi Andy (belatedly).

On 11 Aug 2005, at 10:59, Andy Brown wrote:

> Another thing I noticed while fiddling around the hatch area was that 
> the hatch release motor 4 pin connector had been disconnected.
> So I plugged it back in and found that the motor was driving 
> continuously.
> ?
> Andy
> (88 S4 Auto)

Smiffy mentioned in his response that the hatch release motor has a 
'self parking' mechanism.

FWIW, the principle is that:

A pair of spring contacts run, at different radii, on a conducting disk 
attached to the rotating motor spindle. At the same radius as one of 
the contacts, the disk has an insulated segment which coincides with 
the position at which the motor should park.  A transistor connected in 
parallel with the motor uses the motors own 'back-emf' to give a 
braking effect at this point, bringing the motor to an abrupt halt at 
the desired position.  If this transistor has been damaged (failed open 
circuit), eg. by a PO 'poking around', or perhaps just through 'natural 
causes', then the inertia of the motor will carry the insulated area 
past the contact without stopping, thus re-establishing the supply and 
causing the motor to rotate continuously.

The transistor is a BC337, and is easily replaced if you are able to 
use a soldering iron.  Hope this helps.

Regards,

Clive Walker
MY93 GTS manual
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: text/enriched
Size: 1602 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050818/a83cfb5c/attachment-0001.bin>

From LAMBIRTH710 at aol.com  Thu Aug 18 18:11:34 2005
From: LAMBIRTH710 at aol.com (LAMBIRTH710 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:11:34 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Hi My name is Alan Lambirth and i would like to see the old
	emails , possible.?
Message-ID: <1ab.3d87f4ba.30361b46@aol.com>

;;;;;
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050818/f4d95305/attachment-0001.html>

From mike at dawe.com  Thu Aug 18 18:15:53 2005
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:15:53 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale
In-Reply-To: <niLYlkOBmEBDFw4X@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <ECEFKBFLDFBBDNBANPMFGEIKCFAA.mike@dawe.com>

First thought is that the engine has been involved in a crash and thus the
damage to the crankshaft ends,viz. when crashed the pulleys may have taken a
whack and bent the cams in some way......not easy to check without engine
rotation. Agree that engine no. removal bad medicine...either stolen or from
crashed or scrapped car...buy as seen and not on what the seller maintains.
Clearly he hath forked tongue...kr Mike (T)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Richard Armstrong
Sent: 18 August 2005 09:41
To: 1. 928uk
Subject: [928uk] 32valve engine for sale


Folks


There is a 32valve engine advertised in 911 and Porsche world (there are
2 actually, but one has gone already).
Its in Slough and I went and took a look at it yesterday. I didn't buy
it, but if someone has destroyed their engine and is desperate it is
probably worth the 500 quid he is asking. I did a 160 mile round trip
with a trailer, so to save anyone else wasting their time I can tell you
that it is in a bit of a state - there are no ancilliaries at all, and
that includes timing belt (one pulley) pump manifolds blah blah - it is
just block and heads.
Apparently it came out of a 70Kmiles  '89 S4 auto and suffered a RH head
gasket problem. It has been left outside for a while, contrary to what
the guy said, as there is a good amount of corrosion around the inlet
valves where water has been sitting. This will have ingressed into the
bores and I don't think the engine will turn over currently. As there is
no pulley I couldn't try.
I could not see any endfloat in the crank by tapping it form end to end,
but its impossible to be sure there is no flex plate damage unless the
sump comes off. He assured me that it was working when it came out of
the car.
There is some damage on the ends of both camshafts - been bashed by
something. The plugs are out and the pistons look ok as far as we could
see.
He won't take any offers and its probably worth taking a risk for the
money, but it will take a hell of a lot of work to turn it into a going
concern. The last nail in the coffin from my point of view was that the
engine number has been  pretty well ground off. Hmm.

Richard
--
There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst
of it is half of them are true.
         -- Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
---------------------

RITECH Systems Ltd
www.ritech-systems.com
Tel: 01380 818094
Mob: 07702 541137

_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk



From cr.walker at lineone.net  Thu Aug 18 19:33:48 2005
From: cr.walker at lineone.net (Clive Walker)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:33:48 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>
References: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>
Message-ID: <9b5ad1097163ffac59129e17977756f3@lineone.net>

Hi Andrew,

On 17 Aug 2005, at 18:12, Andrew Sweetenham wrote:

> When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and 
> then
> settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking 
> hard
> (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
>
> Car has been fitted with (in the last month):
> * All new intake rubbers
> * All new vacuum lines
> * Idle stabilisation valve
> * LH ECU
> * MAF
> * injectors ultrasonically cleaned

At the risk of bringing up an 'old chestnut', I'd been using one of the 
more obscure 98 RON fuels for a while (Elf, I think), when the car 
started to develop exactly the symptoms you describe - becoming 
steadily worse as time went on, and with nothing showing up on a 
diagnostic check.  Within the space of one or two tank-fulls of 
Optimax, the fault disappeared, never to recur - and that was around 
three years ago.  Nothing else on the car was cleaned or renewed.

Talking to the list, I postulated that the problem probably had 
something to do with the way in which the overrun fuel cut-off system 
operated - perhaps a sticking fuel pressure regulator, as the engine 
would always start and idle perfectly.  I felt it had to be some 
mechanical device which had been cleaned up by the action of the fuel, 
but was 'shot down in flames' at the time by John (Speake) who felt 
that it couldn't be explained as anything other than a coincidence.

Nevertheless, I've still never fully understood why a fuel pressure 
regulator valve, under the influence of maximum vacuum when coming off 
the throttle, couldn't momentarily stick in the fully open or closed 
position (whichever is appropriate), and thus temporarily deprive the 
injectors of pressurised fuel - but then, there are a lot of things I 
don't understand!  Perhaps I am way off the mark, but you seem to have 
tried just about everything else, so maybe the fuel regulators are 
worth considering.

Regards,

Clive Walker

MY93 GTS manual



From asweetenham at uku.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 20:22:35 2005
From: asweetenham at uku.co.uk (Andrew Sweetenham)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:22:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idle on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <9b5ad1097163ffac59129e17977756f3@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <20050818192242.C23FBD4294@mra03.ch.as12513.net>

Hi All,

Many thanks for the suggestions as to what the problem might be - much
appreciated.

I've got a few tests to try (that JDS suggested). I'll let you know the
outcome.

Regards,
Andrew 

'93 Guards Red GT 

Andrew Sweetenham
ProMAX Motorsport
Porsche Performance Specialists
Tel: +44 (0)1908 524468
Mbl: +44 (0)7831 393633
email: andrew at promaxmotorsport.com
web: www.promaxmotorsport.com

-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005
 



From mab at 928.org.uk  Thu Aug 18 20:53:44 2005
From: mab at 928.org.uk (Mark Baker)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:53:44 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Hi My name is Alan Lambirth and i would like to see
	the old emails , possible.?
In-Reply-To: <1ab.3d87f4ba.30361b46@aol.com>
References: <1ab.3d87f4ba.30361b46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1124394824.10973.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan,

All mails are archived and available at:

http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/

I started working on a search facility but haven't had time to finish it
yet. You can try this at:

http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/search.html

it may be a bit hit and miss though until finished.

Mark

On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 13:11 -0400, LAMBIRTH710 at aol.com wrote:
>             ;;;;;
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk



From info at jdsporsche.com  Thu Aug 18 21:09:35 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:09:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idel on 928GT
References: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>
	<9b5ad1097163ffac59129e17977756f3@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <027b01c5a430$c18743a0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

>> When my car returns to idle, the revs will drop to almost a stall and 
>> then
>> settle at an idle speed of about 750rpm. If driving fast and braking hard
>> (and coming off the throttle) the engine will die.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> At the risk of bringing up an 'old chestnut', I'd been using one of the 
> more obscure 98 RON fuels for a while (Elf, I think), when the car started 
> to develop exactly the symptoms you describe - becoming steadily worse as 
> time went on, and with nothing showing up on a diagnostic check.  Within 
> the space of one or two tank-fulls of Optimax, the fault disappeared, 
> never to recur - and that was around three years ago.  Nothing else on the 
> car was cleaned or renewed.
>
> Talking to the list, I postulated that the problem probably had something 
> to do with the way in which the overrun fuel cut-off system operated - 
> perhaps a sticking fuel pressure regulator, as the engine would always 
> start and idle perfectly.  I felt it had to be some mechanical device 
> which had been cleaned up by the action of the fuel, but was 'shot down in 
> flames' at the time by John (Speake) who felt that it couldn't be 
> explained as anything other than a coincidence.
>
> Nevertheless, I've still never fully understood why a fuel pressure 
> regulator valve, under the influence of maximum vacuum when coming off the 
> throttle, couldn't momentarily stick in the fully open or closed position 
> (whichever is appropriate), and thus temporarily deprive the injectors of 
> pressurised fuel - but then, there are a lot of things I don't understand! 
> Perhaps I am way off the mark, but you seem to have tried just about 
> everything else, so maybe the fuel regulators are worth considering.
>
> Regards,
>
> Clive Walker

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Clive,
The fuel cutoff works with the throttle closed switch, and rpm. It's fully 
electronic within the LH ECU..

If the FPR was "sticky" it might cause a change of fuel pressure, so a 
cleaning agent in the fuel might help.

John
>
> MY93 GTS manual
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
> 




From mpck at intekom.com  Thu Aug 18 22:39:27 2005
From: mpck at intekom.com (Miles Orbell)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:39:27 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
Message-ID: <20050818213855.D69936FA9@ctb-mesg8.saix.net>

Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely be removed.

 

I do not see the need for this unit at all.

 

Thanks,

 

Miles.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050818/6012de83/attachment-0001.html>

From robin at waikato.ac.nz  Thu Aug 18 22:51:18 2005
From: robin at waikato.ac.nz (Robin Dunmall)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:51:18 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
Message-ID: <0404554D3407CE48A890D40B3C2035AF352332@ex1.its.waikato.ac.nz>

Miles

You may see the use for it if they ever start emission monitoring on you
car

But hell, go for it and add to the pollution it is only the UK after all

"flack jacket on"

Cheers

Robin

 

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Miles Orbell
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2005 9:39 a.m.
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Air pump

 

Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely be
removed.

 

I do not see the need for this unit at all.

 

Thanks,

 

Miles.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/dead8fa9/attachment-0001.html>

From marton at befree.ch  Thu Aug 18 23:21:28 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:21:28 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
References: <20050818213855.D69936FA9@ctb-mesg8.saix.net>
Message-ID: <0d1001c5a443$2df93cc0$6401a8c0@simone>

should be OK, so long as you wear gloves and goggles you should be quite safe

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Miles Orbell 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:39 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Air pump


  Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely be removed.

   

  I do not see the need for this unit at all.

   

  Thanks,

   

  Miles.



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  No virus found in this incoming message.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18.08.05
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/29643c0e/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18.08.05

From robin at waikato.ac.nz  Thu Aug 18 23:45:32 2005
From: robin at waikato.ac.nz (Robin Dunmall)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:45:32 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
Message-ID: <0404554D3407CE48A890D40B3C2035AF352335@ex1.its.waikato.ac.nz>

And of course the asbestos suit

 

________________________________

From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of marton
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2005 10:21 a.m.
To: Miles Orbell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Air pump

 

should be OK, so long as you wear gloves and goggles you should be quite
safe

 

Marton

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Miles Orbell <mailto:mpck at intekom.com>  

	To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 

	Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:39 PM

	Subject: [928uk] Air pump

	 

	Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely
be removed.

	 

	I do not see the need for this unit at all.

	 

	Thanks,

	 

	Miles.

	
________________________________


	_______________________________________________
	928uk mailing list
	928uk at 928.org.uk
	http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
	928.org.uk 

	
________________________________


	No virus found in this incoming message.
	Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
	Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date:
18.08.05

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/c2ce99a6/attachment-0001.html>

From ukkid35 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 07:07:01 2005
From: ukkid35 at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:07:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
In-Reply-To: <20050818213855.D69936FA9@ctb-mesg8.saix.net>
References: <20050818213855.D69936FA9@ctb-mesg8.saix.net>
Message-ID: <98697a43050818230749f4fc46@mail.gmail.com>

You'll need the blanking plugs which replace the air injection pipes
just under the exhaust ports. Don't know the part number, but if you
check Adrian's recent posts you'll find it mentioned there.

The plumbing is awkward to get to, but it makes the car much quieter,
and releases perhaps one or two bhp.

There is the possibility that your cats may age quicker without the
air pump, but that's not something I've researched as I don't have
cats on mine.

Good luck

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On 8/18/05, Miles Orbell <mpck at intekom.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely be removed.
> 
>  
> 
> I do not see the need for this unit at all.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Miles.
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
> 
>


From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug 19 08:29:57 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:29:57 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
In-Reply-To: <98697a43050818230749f4fc46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDKEPGCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

If you have cats on your '89 The air is injected into the cats not the
exhaust ports, and the heads should already have the plugs in place.

In a similar vein - when you remove the air pump what do you do with the
connection to the Charcoal canister under the drivers side front wing.

Jon in NZ
Planning air pump removals on both SE and GT purely because the plumbing and
pump seems to get in the way whatever job you are doing.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 19 August 2005 18:07
To: Miles Orbell
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Air pump


You'll need the blanking plugs which replace the air injection pipes
just under the exhaust ports. Don't know the part number, but if you
check Adrian's recent posts you'll find it mentioned there.

The plumbing is awkward to get to, but it makes the car much quieter,
and releases perhaps one or two bhp.

There is the possibility that your cats may age quicker without the
air pump, but that's not something I've researched as I don't have
cats on mine.

Good luck

Paul
87 S4 Manual


On 8/18/05, Miles Orbell <mpck at intekom.com> wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely be
removed.
>
>
>
> I do not see the need for this unit at all.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Miles.
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk
>
>
_______________________________________________
928uk mailing list
928uk at 928.org.uk
http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
928.org.uk




From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Aug 19 09:34:04 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:34:04 +0200
Subject: [928uk] weight reduction
Message-ID: <00a701c5a498$c1fdff00$035b48c3@JDW>

Hi Guys,

Just finished replacing the side windows of my racer. I took out the
glass and electric window motors yesterday and replaced them with 3mm
plexi (or lexan i think you call it). Also got rid of the original
mirrors and put on very small teardrop ones. Total weight saving 16.3
kg. We're at 1353 kg now.
Still hope to get her below 1300.

Cheers,
Jerry

1980R
1985S2
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/407c631d/attachment-0001.html>

From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 09:35:07 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:35:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
References: <0404554D3407CE48A890D40B3C2035AF352335@ex1.its.waikato.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <002f01c5a498$e8bc0e70$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

LOL!  You never cease to come up with amazing wit Marton!  Great!
All the best
Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robin Dunmall 
  To: marton ; Miles Orbell ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] Air pump


  And of course the asbestos suit




------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of marton
  Sent: Friday, 19 August 2005 10:21 a.m.
  To: Miles Orbell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Air pump



  should be OK, so long as you wear gloves and goggles you should be quite safe



  Marton

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Miles Orbell 

    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 

    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:39 PM

    Subject: [928uk] Air pump



    Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely be removed.



    I do not see the need for this unit at all.



    Thanks,



    Miles.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    _______________________________________________
    928uk mailing list
    928uk at 928.org.uk
    http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
    928.org.uk 


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    No virus found in this incoming message.
    Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
    Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18.08.05



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/fe9c6a34/attachment-0001.html>

From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Aug 19 09:52:48 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:52:48 +0200
Subject: [928uk] 18" wheels
Message-ID: <00b501c5a49b$601b3890$035b48c3@JDW>

Hi again,

i've finally gotten around to replacing my 17" wheels with 18" wheels last night on my S2. The set i took off hat ET52 at the front and ET50 at the back. The "new" set has ET 56 at the front and ET44 at the back with 225 and 265 tires. 
I've read all the recent mails about the con's of changing the ET's on a car, but pigheaded as i am, i want to find out for myself. 
Changing from the original 16" wheels to the 17" wheels with the wrong offset didn't change much to the handling, in fact i had the feeling it actually made the car corner better. I haven't tested this setup yet (apart from taking the car home last night) but i am planning to test her extensively one of these days on some curvy roads in the area and later on the track.

If  i find any negative things i'll let you know.

Cheers,
Jerry

1980R
1985S2
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/53726221/attachment-0001.html>

From Andy-Brown at tritech.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 09:58:35 2005
From: Andy-Brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:58:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
Message-ID: <FFA824F7B3F47847A587B0D5981DD82E015ED6@mail-server.TRITECH.local>

Hello Clive,
Thanks for that info :- Just for clarification - I take it this
transistor is located somewhere within the motor assembly itself?
Shouldn't be a problem for me to replace this transistor as long as I
know where to find it. Don't have to hand but from memory
the motor Is in a sealed plastic unit with no apparent means of entry? 
Have I got this right?
P.S. How does the tailgate pulse come into this and could this be
causing a problem? - Can the pulse be measured or monitored 
Somewhere?
 
 
Thanks
Andy
(88 S4 Auto) 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Clive Walker
Sent: 18 August 2005 17:38
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
 
Hi Andy (belatedly). 
 
On 11 Aug 2005, at 10:59, Andy Brown wrote: 
	 
	Another thing I noticed while fiddling around the hatch area was
that the hatch release motor 4 pin connector had been disconnected. 
	So I plugged it back in and found that the motor was driving
continuously. 
	  
	Andy 
	(88 S4 Auto) 
 
Smiffy mentioned in his response that the hatch release motor has a
'self parking' mechanism. 
 
FWIW, the principle is that: 
 
A pair of spring contacts run, at different radii, on a conducting disk
attached to the rotating motor spindle. At the same radius as one of the
contacts, the disk has an insulated segment which coincides with the
position at which the motor should park. A transistor connected in
parallel with the motor uses the motors own 'back-emf' to give a braking
effect at this point, bringing the motor to an abrupt halt at the
desired position. If this transistor has been damaged (failed open
circuit), eg. by a PO 'poking around', or perhaps just through 'natural
causes', then the inertia of the motor will carry the insulated area
past the contact without stopping, thus re-establishing the supply and
causing the motor to rotate continuously. 
 
The transistor is a BC337, and is easily replaced if you are able to use
a soldering iron. Hope this helps. 
 
Regards, 
 
Clive Walker 
MY93 GTS manual
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/1b17dcb5/attachment-0001.html>

From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug 19 10:03:28 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:03:28 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Air pump
In-Reply-To: <002f01c5a498$e8bc0e70$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDGEPHCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Aah Marton

the amazing twit

jon
waiheke
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Simon Watson
  Sent: 19 August 2005 20:35
  To: Robin Dunmall; marton; Miles Orbell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Air pump


  LOL!  You never cease to come up with amazing wit Marton!  Great!
  All the best
  Simon
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Robin Dunmall
    To: marton ; Miles Orbell ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:45 PM
    Subject: RE: [928uk] Air pump


    And of course the asbestos suit




----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of marton
    Sent: Friday, 19 August 2005 10:21 a.m.
    To: Miles Orbell; 928uk at 928.org.uk
    Subject: Re: [928uk] Air pump



    should be OK, so long as you wear gloves and goggles you should be quite
safe



    Marton

      ----- Original Message -----

      From: Miles Orbell

      To: 928uk at 928.org.uk

      Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:39 PM

      Subject: [928uk] Air pump



      Can anyone tell me if the air pump on a 1989 S4 auto can safely be
removed.



      I do not see the need for this unit at all.



      Thanks,



      Miles.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

      _______________________________________________
      928uk mailing list
      928uk at 928.org.uk
      http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
      928.org.uk


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

      No virus found in this incoming message.
      Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
      Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date:
18.08.05



----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    _______________________________________________
    928uk mailing list
    928uk at 928.org.uk
    http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
    928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/7fe0bdda/attachment-0001.html>

From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug 19 10:14:07 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:14:07 +1200
Subject: [928uk] 18" wheels
In-Reply-To: <00b501c5a49b$601b3890$035b48c3@JDW>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDGEPICLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Jerry

I think you will probably find that thereis little difference between the
18" ET56  Fronts and the 17" et52 fronts.

The 18" wheels with a lower profile tyre will give more feel, the increased
offset (versus the 17" 52ET) will perhaps bring it back to the same sort of
feel as the 17"

If it was a street car you would want more offset to make driving more
relaxing.

I don't  know the rules of the class you are racing in , but in the US all
the serious racers are using front wheels with offsets around 75mm to permit
the use of 9" or 10" wide front tyres with tyres up to 295mm wide.

At the rear the bigger the wheel width the more offset you need to fit
bigger tyres in the wheel arch - or just fit flared rear wheel arches.

jon
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Jerry De Weerdt
  Sent: 19 August 2005 20:53
  To: 928 Forum
  Subject: [928uk] 18" wheels
  Importance: High


  Hi again,

  i've finally gotten around to replacing my 17" wheels with 18" wheels last
night on my S2. The set i took off hat ET52 at the front and ET50 at the
back. The "new" set has ET 56 at the front and ET44 at the back with 225 and
265 tires.
  I've read all the recent mails about the con's of changing the ET's on a
car, but pigheaded as i am, i want to find out for myself.
  Changing from the original 16" wheels to the 17" wheels with the wrong
offset didn't change much to the handling, in fact i had the feeling it
actually made the car corner better. I haven't tested this setup yet (apart
from taking the car home last night) but i am planning to test her
extensively one of these days on some curvy roads in the area and later on
the track.

  If  i find any negative things i'll let you know.

  Cheers,
  Jerry

  1980R
  1985S2
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/8a31dfdb/attachment-0001.html>

From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Aug 19 10:19:29 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:19:29 +0200
Subject: [928uk] 18" wheels
References: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDGEPICLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>
Message-ID: <00e001c5a49f$1a7381e0$035b48c3@JDW>

Hi Jon,

The 18" wheels are actually on the street car; i'm running 17" ET70 on my racecar and i've bought a new set of 17" wheels which will increase my track on the racer. I'm also fitting flares in a few weeks because these new wheels stick out of the arches now.

Cheers,
Jerry

 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jon Holdsworth 
  To: Jerry De Weerdt ; 928 Forum 
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:14 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 18" wheels


  Jerry

  I think you will probably find that thereis little difference between the 18" ET56  Fronts and the 17" et52 fronts.

  The 18" wheels with a lower profile tyre will give more feel, the increased offset (versus the 17" 52ET) will perhaps bring it back to the same sort of feel as the 17"

  If it was a street car you would want more offset to make driving more relaxing.

  I don't  know the rules of the class you are racing in , but in the US all the serious racers are using front wheels with offsets around 75mm to permit the use of 9" or 10" wide front tyres with tyres up to 295mm wide.

  At the rear the bigger the wheel width the more offset you need to fit bigger tyres in the wheel arch - or just fit flared rear wheel arches.

  jon
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jerry De Weerdt
    Sent: 19 August 2005 20:53
    To: 928 Forum
    Subject: [928uk] 18" wheels
    Importance: High


    Hi again,

    i've finally gotten around to replacing my 17" wheels with 18" wheels last night on my S2. The set i took off hat ET52 at the front and ET50 at the back. The "new" set has ET 56 at the front and ET44 at the back with 225 and 265 tires. 
    I've read all the recent mails about the con's of changing the ET's on a car, but pigheaded as i am, i want to find out for myself. 
    Changing from the original 16" wheels to the 17" wheels with the wrong offset didn't change much to the handling, in fact i had the feeling it actually made the car corner better. I haven't tested this setup yet (apart from taking the car home last night) but i am planning to test her extensively one of these days on some curvy roads in the area and later on the track.

    If  i find any negative things i'll let you know.

    Cheers,
    Jerry

    1980R
    1985S2
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/b9415f5a/attachment-0001.html>

From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com  Fri Aug 19 12:37:22 2005
From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:37:22 +0200
Subject: [928uk] 4,5 liter versus 4,7S
Message-ID: <010b01c5a4b2$5d13f490$035b48c3@JDW>

Hi guys,

i've found a relatively cheap 4.5 liter engine in Swizterland. Can anyone tell me if the injection of a 4.7S (K-Jet) is the same as that on a 4.5? Can a 4.5 be tweaked to reasonalble HP without having to open it up? (For example by adapting the 4.7 injection, headers, different intake etc...)

Thanks for any info.

Cheers,
Jerry

(always looking for a pre S2 engine)
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/bf56b0c4/attachment-0001.html>

From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Fri Aug 19 12:47:34 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:47:34 +1200
Subject: [928uk] 4,5 liter versus 4,7S
References: <010b01c5a4b2$5d13f490$035b48c3@JDW>
Message-ID: <00d101c5a4b3$cac18ab0$72667cca@computername>

I believe that the 4.5 inlet runners are smaller, so the valves probably are as well.
They were lower compression as well.
So you probably won't get anywhere near the 4.7's 300bhp unless you change the pistons, 
and high compression 4.5 pistons probably aren't available.

Smiffy (4.7 fan)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry De Weerdt" <jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com>
To: "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: [928uk] 4,5 liter versus 4,7S


Hi guys,

i've found a relatively cheap 4.5 liter engine in Swizterland. Can anyone tell me if the 
injection of a 4.7S (K-Jet) is the same as that on a 4.5? Can a 4.5 be tweaked to 
reasonalble HP without having to open it up? (For example by adapting the 4.7 injection, 
headers, different intake etc...)

Thanks for any info.

Cheers,
Jerry

(always looking for a pre S2 engine)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From mpck at intekom.com  Fri Aug 19 17:56:52 2005
From: mpck at intekom.com (Miles Orbell)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:56:52 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto
Message-ID: <20050819165645.41AAAC20A@ctb-mesg6.saix.net>

Any suggestions for replacement engine mounts for above car, mine have
collapsed.

 

I see there are several solid mounts from the USA, but am wary of their
compliance not being correct, and possibly overloading rear mounts, or
putting extra strain on torque tube.

 

Comments would be appreciated & where best to source mounts in the UK.

 

Thanks, Miles.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/fdf28617/attachment-0001.html>

From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 18:58:56 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:58:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto
References: <20050819165645.41AAAC20A@ctb-mesg6.saix.net>
Message-ID: <002901c5a4e7$ac1eafa0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Unfortunately they are expensive (they are like fat shock absorbers, not just rubber blocks) & it's quite a big job, I think you have to jack up the engine.  Adrian Clark has it down to a fine art I believe.  Benefits are the engine sits up nicely & any irritating vibrations will likely disappear.
Worth doing properly in my book.
All the best
Simon

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Miles Orbell 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:56 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto


  Any suggestions for replacement engine mounts for above car, mine have collapsed.

   

  I see there are several solid mounts from the USA, but am wary of their compliance not being correct, and possibly overloading rear mounts, or putting extra strain on torque tube.

   

  Comments would be appreciated & where best to source mounts in the UK.

   

  Thanks, Miles.



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/5d61ed19/attachment-0001.html>

From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 19:29:38 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:29:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
Message-ID: <004b01c5a4eb$f5ac3260$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Dear 928 fans on 928UK
Just to let you know I have to go into hospital on Tuesday morning for an operation on my neck.  I'll be in all week, then not able to drive for several weeks.  Hopefully it will cure pain etc. I've had for ages in my hip, leg, arm etc .  Scary stuff grinding away bone in my backbone (neck area) which is growing into the cavity where my spinal cord is & severely squashing & damaging it; I worry that if the grinder slips & hits my spinal cord.........wheelchair!  If so I'll have to get a V8 fitted to it.   But top neurosurgeons get paid six figure incomes (& this guy has an Aston Martin DB9 on order!) not to make mistakes & I've been told it MUST be done sharpish!  Wish me luck.   The op is called Cervical Spondylosis. 
All the best
Simon
---------------------------------------------------------
Simon Watson
Unitel Consultants
Telecoms, Mobiles, Electricity, Gas, Speed Trap Gadgets.
01760 725025
07970 840959
info at unitelconsultants.co.uk
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/bdf5a185/attachment-0001.html>

From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 19 19:40:54 2005
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:40:54 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto
In-Reply-To: <002901c5a4e7$ac1eafa0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F31D88802E0061B0B270230FAB50@phx.gbl>

Replaced my mounts last year or maybe it was the year before that, anyway 
the drivers side mount had dropped so much the the exhaust manifold had worn 
through a little were it was rubbing on a heat sheild.


Stuart


>From: "Simon Watson" <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk>
>To: "Miles Orbell" <mpck at intekom.com>, <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto
>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:58:56 +0100
>
>Unfortunately they are expensive (they are like fat shock absorbers, not 
>just rubber blocks) & it's quite a big job, I think you have to jack up the 
>engine.  Adrian Clark has it down to a fine art I believe.  Benefits are 
>the engine sits up nicely & any irritating vibrations will likely 
>disappear.
>Worth doing properly in my book.
>All the best
>Simon
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Miles Orbell
>   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:56 PM
>   Subject: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto
>
>
>   Any suggestions for replacement engine mounts for above car, mine have 
>collapsed.
>
>
>
>   I see there are several solid mounts from the USA, but am wary of their 
>compliance not being correct, and possibly overloading rear mounts, or 
>putting extra strain on torque tube.
>
>
>
>   Comments would be appreciated & where best to source mounts in the UK.
>
>
>
>   Thanks, Miles.
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>   _______________________________________________
>   928uk mailing list
>   928uk at 928.org.uk
>   http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>   928.org.uk


>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>928.org.uk




From clusted at rockwellcollins.com  Fri Aug 19 19:56:16 2005
From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:56:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5a4eb$f5ac3260$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <OF5071B008.A8284154-ON80257062.0067ED24-80257062.006806D7@rockwellcollins.com>

All the best for next week Simon and a speedy recovery!

Cheers
Clive
'88 S4 Auto


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/351a087e/attachment-0001.html>

From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk  Fri Aug 19 20:34:54 2005
From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:34:54 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
References: <OF5071B008.A8284154-ON80257062.0067ED24-80257062.006806D7@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c5a4f5$149d67d0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>

Thanks Clive.
S
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com 
  To: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk ; 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Simon operation



  All the best for next week Simon and a speedy recovery! 

  Cheers 
  Clive 
  '88 S4 Auto 


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/e2d8e970/attachment-0001.html>

From info at jdsporsche.com  Fri Aug 19 20:35:32 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:35:32 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
References: <OF5071B008.A8284154-ON80257062.0067ED24-80257062.006806D7@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <01bc01c5a4f5$2b34cab0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

yes, all the best Simon ! Don't let the bastards grind you down ! (or is that a joke in bad taste ?)

John
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/b94a3124/attachment-0001.html>

From gjm123 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 20:55:57 2005
From: gjm123 at gmail.com (Graham Manning)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:55:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
In-Reply-To: <000f01c5a4f5$149d67d0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
References: <OF5071B008.A8284154-ON80257062.0067ED24-80257062.006806D7@rockwellcollins.com>
	<000f01c5a4f5$149d67d0$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <ac85f1f905081912556e297ef@mail.gmail.com>

Simon,
 All the best. Let us know how you get on.
 - Graham
'84 S2

 On 19/08/05, Simon Watson <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk> wrote: 
> 
> Thanks Clive.
> S
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> *From:* clusted at rockwellcollins.com 
> *To:* simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk 
> *Cc:* 928uk at 928.org.uk ; 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2005 7:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Simon operation
> 
> 
> All the best for next week Simon and a speedy recovery! 
> 
> Cheers 
> Clive 
> '88 S4 Auto 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk <http://928.org.uk/>
> 
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/c71b6a0b/attachment-0001.html>

From jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug 19 20:57:16 2005
From: jonholdsworth at slingshot.co.nz (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:57:16 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto
In-Reply-To: <20050819165645.41AAAC20A@ctb-mesg6.saix.net>
Message-ID: <CEEDJKJFDOMAGNJEMCCDIEPMCLAA.jonholdsworth@slingshot.co.nz>

Miles

Anchor 2698 is the "recommended" alternative mount and I believe it is
Hydraulic like the original. The Anchor 2696 fits but is for  a lighter
engine and is not Hydraulic.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=205743&highlight=Anch
or+Motor+Mounts

http://www.nichols.nu/tip706.htm

There are those who will say you should use only Porcsche mounts.  Porsche
mounts are 10x the price of the Anchor mount.

All I can say is that I have driven an S4 with 4 year old (40,000miles)
Anchor mounts and it seemed fine.

Drving around with old effectively rigid mounts will do more damage to the
rear mounts and TT (Not that is does appear to do damage)  than a working
but slightly incorrect compliance mount .

Jon in NZ


 -----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Miles Orbell
Sent: 20 August 2005 04:57
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Engine mounts. 1989 S4 Auto


  Any suggestions for replacement engine mounts for above car, mine have
collapsed.



  I see there are several solid mounts from the USA, but am wary of their
compliance not being correct, and possibly overloading rear mounts, or
putting extra strain on torque tube.



  Comments would be appreciated & where best to source mounts in the UK.



  Thanks, Miles.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050820/3cae9830/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: tip706.htm.url
Type: application/octet-stream
Size: 84 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050820/3cae9830/attachment-0001.obj>

From mpck at intekom.com  Fri Aug 19 21:12:04 2005
From: mpck at intekom.com (Miles Orbell)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:12:04 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Green button 1989 S4 auto
Message-ID: <20050819200934.1F2B035A0@ctb-mesg9.saix.net>

Anyone know what the green button next to aircon button is for ?

 

Not shown in owners manual.

 

Thanks, Miles.

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/8c91e331/attachment-0001.html>

From cr.walker at lineone.net  Fri Aug 19 21:13:53 2005
From: cr.walker at lineone.net (Clive Walker)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:13:53 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
In-Reply-To: <FFA824F7B3F47847A587B0D5981DD82E015ED6@mail-server.TRITECH.local>
References: <FFA824F7B3F47847A587B0D5981DD82E015ED6@mail-server.TRITECH.local>
Message-ID: <f3f39e1d7cbf72d51503647e1b99b5cd@lineone.net>

Hi Andy,

The transistor is mounted within the motor housing, on a very small pcb 
which surrounds the motor spindle.

I can only speak for the one on my GTS, but the motor/gearbox etc. is 
contained within a two-part black plastic housing, held together with 
four (I think) screws.  Be careful when dismantling it, as all manner 
of small 'bits and pieces' are likely to spring out and make a dash for 
the nearest inaccessible hiding place!

Looking into the disconnected plug, of the three wires:

The red wire should have a permanent 12v with respect to a ground point.

The yellow wire (ie the pulse wire) should be a solid 12v wrt a ground 
point when the tailgate release button is pulled, but in the button 
released position, the reading you obtain depends on the sensitivity of 
your meter, as the yellow wire is basically 'floating' (ie not 
connected to anything).  In this situation, pick-up through the wiring 
loom could then give you all sorts of readings, but I suspect that if 
you hold each of the probes in your fingers, that's probably enough to 
kill anything.  As far as I'm aware, there is nothing fancy about how 
the pulse is derived.  One side of the release switch (pull-to-make, 
release-to-break) is connected, via a fuse, to a 12v bus within the 
'central electric', whilst the other side goes straight to the release 
motor via the yellow wire.  The duration of the pulse simply depends 
upon how long you keep the button pulled up!  If you suspect that your 
motor keeps running due to receiving a continuous supply on the pulse 
wire, then either the release switch contacts have welded, or 12v is 
finding its way onto the wiring in some way.

The brown/white wire is where the release motor derives its ground, but 
this point is only pulled down when one or other of the front door 
contacts is closed (ie when the doors are open).  This inhibits 
operation of the tailgate release motor unless one or other of the 
doors are open.  This feature can sometimes cause the problem of 
non-release of the tailgate if the door contacts are corroded.

Regards

Clive W

On 19 Aug 2005, at 09:58, Andy Brown wrote:

> Hello Clive,
> Thanks for that info :- Just for clarification ? I take it this 
> transistor is located somewhere within the motor assembly itself?
> Shouldn?t be a problem for me to replace this transistor as long as I 
> know where to find it. Don?t have to hand but from memory
> the motor Is in a sealed plastic unit with no apparent means of entry?
> Have I got this right?
> P.S. How does the tailgate pulse come into this and could this be 
> causing a problem? ? Can the pulse be measured or monitored
> Somewhere?
> ?
> ?
> Thanks
> Andy
> (88 S4 Auto)
> ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On 
> Behalf Of Clive Walker
> Sent: 18 August 2005 17:38
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Battery Problems - The Diagnosis
> ?
> Hi Andy (belatedly).
> ?
> On 11 Aug 2005, at 10:59, Andy Brown wrote:
>> ?
>> Another thing I noticed while fiddling around the hatch area was that 
>> the hatch release motor 4 pin connector had been disconnected.
>> So I plugged it back in and found that the motor was driving 
>> continuously.
>> ?
>> Andy
>> (88 S4 Auto)
> ?
> Smiffy mentioned in his response that the hatch release motor has a 
> 'self parking' mechanism.
> ?
> FWIW, the principle is that:
> ?
> A pair of spring contacts run, at different radii, on a conducting 
> disk attached to the rotating motor spindle. At the same radius as one 
> of the contacts, the disk has an insulated segment which coincides 
> with the position at which the motor should park. A transistor 
> connected in parallel with the motor uses the motors own 'back-emf' to 
> give a braking effect at this point, bringing the motor to an abrupt 
> halt at the desired position. If this transistor has been damaged 
> (failed open circuit), eg. by a PO 'poking around', or perhaps just 
> through 'natural causes', then the inertia of the motor will carry the 
> insulated area past the contact without stopping, thus re-establishing 
> the supply and causing the motor to rotate continuously.
> ?
> The transistor is a BC337, and is easily replaced if you are able to 
> use a soldering iron. Hope this helps.
> ?
> Regards,
> ?
> Clive Walker
> MY93 GTS manual
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: text/enriched
Size: 4861 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050819/43a222b7/attachment-0001.bin>

From cr.walker at lineone.net  Fri Aug 19 22:14:05 2005
From: cr.walker at lineone.net (Clive Walker)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:14:05 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idle on 928GT
In-Reply-To: <027b01c5a430$c18743a0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
References: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net>
	<9b5ad1097163ffac59129e17977756f3@lineone.net>
	<027b01c5a430$c18743a0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
Message-ID: <aae6f70d8ec6004ab213f9eb1a82ba39@lineone.net>

Hi John,

On 18 Aug 2005, at 21:09, JDSPorsche wrote:

> Hello Clive,
> The fuel cutoff works with the throttle closed switch, and rpm. It's 
> fully electronic within the LH ECU..
>
> If the FPR was "sticky" it might cause a change of fuel pressure, so a 
> cleaning agent in the fuel might help.
>
> John

OK, I know I'm being pedantic (as usual) but, although fuel cut-off may 
be initiated electronically from within the LH ECU, isn't the 
subsequent operation of the fuel pressure regulator an integral part of 
the overrun fuel cut-off process, viz. throttle switch closed, rpm 
above idle, injectors shut off, manifold depression at maximum, FPR 
fully open?

As you acknowledge, when the throttle is re-applied, or the revs reach 
idle, the injectors will once again demand fuel, less vacuum will be 
applied to the pressure regulator, and if the FPR is sluggish in coming 
out of its fully open position then, momentarily, there may be 
insufficient fuel pressure available to meet the injectors' demand, and 
the engine will stall.

There - I've got it off my chest ;-)

Best regards,

Clive W.



From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Fri Aug 19 22:54:52 2005
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:54:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5a4eb$f5ac3260$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
References: <004b01c5a4eb$f5ac3260$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <1124488492.10474.241074414@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Best of luck old boy and a speedy recovery, no reversing up hills in the
LR for a while so you might as well fit the V8 onto the wheelchair,
straight through pipes of course ;-).

Joe, currently in St Johns Newfoundland and leaving the harbour on the
way to France.


----- Original message -----
From: "Simon Watson" <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk>
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:29:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation

Dear 928 fans on 928UK
Just to let you know I have to go into hospital on Tuesday morning for
an operation on my neck.  I'll be in all week, then not able to drive
for several weeks.  Hopefully it will cure pain etc. I've had for ages
in my hip, leg, arm etc .  Scary stuff grinding away bone in my backbone
(neck area) which is growing into the cavity where my spinal cord is &
severely squashing & damaging it; I worry that if the grinder slips &
hits my spinal cord.........wheelchair!  If so I'll have to get a V8
fitted to it.   But top neurosurgeons get paid six figure incomes (&
this guy has an Aston Martin DB9 on order!) not to make mistakes & I've
been told it MUST be done sharpish!  Wish me luck.   The op is called
Cervical Spondylosis. 
All the best
Simon
---------------------------------------------------------
Simon Watson
Unitel Consultants
Telecoms, Mobiles, Electricity, Gas, Speed Trap Gadgets.
01760 725025
07970 840959
info at unitelconsultants.co.uk


From marton at befree.ch  Fri Aug 19 23:34:44 2005
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:34:44 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
References: <004b01c5a4eb$f5ac3260$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <0f7701c5a50e$32879a40$6401a8c0@simone>

Hi CB,

friend of mine had that operation done a couple of years ago.  It worked pretty well and he was much improved afterwards.
So far as I know the grinder they use is not a Dremel but is mounted on something like a lathe so there is little chance of it slipping.

you are not alone; - By the age of 50, around half of the population develop cervical spondylosis and experience neck and back pain. This figure rises to 70% by the age of 60...

The usual method of examination is using MRI.

Mostly the treatment is aspirin or ibuprofen.

The surgery risk is no greater or less than any other surgery.  Most textbooks recommend second or even third opinions before surgery since this is a complex topic with multiple views on causes and treatments.

good luck

Marton


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Simon Watson 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:29 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Simon operation


  Dear 928 fans on 928UK
  Just to let you know I have to go into hospital on Tuesday morning for an operation on my neck.  I'll be in all week, then not able to drive for several weeks.  Hopefully it will cure pain etc. I've had for ages in my hip, leg, arm etc .  Scary stuff grinding away bone in my backbone (neck area) which is growing into the cavity where my spinal cord is & severely squashing & damaging it; I worry that if the grinder slips & hits my spinal cord.........wheelchair!  If so I'll have to get a V8 fitted to it.   But top neurosurgeons get paid six figure incomes (& this guy has an Aston Martin DB9 on order!) not to make mistakes & I've been told it MUST be done sharpish!  Wish me luck.   The op is called Cervical Spondylosis. 
  All the best
  Simon
  ---------------------------------------------------------
  Simon Watson
  Unitel Consultants
  Telecoms, Mobiles, Electricity, Gas, Speed Trap Gadgets.
  01760 725025
  07970 840959
  info at unitelconsultants.co.uk



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  _______________________________________________
  928uk mailing list
  928uk at 928.org.uk
  http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
  928.org.uk


------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  No virus found in this incoming message.
  Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
  Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18.08.05
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.928.org.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20050820/4240d894/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18.08.05

From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sat Aug 20 03:17:29 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:17:29 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation
References: <004b01c5a4eb$f5ac3260$0401a8c0@ThinkPad>
Message-ID: <00a801c5a52d$51dcbfa0$40667cca@computername>

I told you your tie was too tight!

Smiffy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Watson" <simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:29 AM
Subject: [928uk] Simon operation


Dear 928 fans on 928UK
Just to let you know I have to go into hospital on Tuesday morning for an operation on my 
neck.  I'll be in all week, then not able to drive for several weeks.  Hopefully it will 
cure pain etc. I've had for ages in my hip, leg, arm etc .  Scary stuff grinding away bone 
in my backbone (neck area) which is growing into the cavity where my spinal cord is & 
severely squashing & damaging it; I worry that if the grinder slips & hits my spinal 
cord.........wheelchair!  If so I'll have to get a V8 fitted to it.   But top 
neurosurgeons get paid six figure incomes (& this guy has an Aston Martin DB9 on order!) 
not to make mistakes & I've been told it MUST be done sharpish!  Wish me luck.   The op is 
called Cervical Spondylosis.
All the best
Simon
---------------------------------------------------------
Simon Watson
Unitel Consultants
Telecoms, Mobiles, Electricity, Gas, Speed Trap Gadgets.
01760 725025
07970 840959
info at unitelconsultants.co.uk



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk 



From smiffypr at snap.net.nz  Sat Aug 20 03:29:30 2005
From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:29:30 +1200
Subject: [928uk] Green button 1989 S4 auto
References: <20050819200934.1F2B035A0@ctb-mesg9.saix.net>
Message-ID: <00d301c5a52f$00229700$40667cca@computername>

Is there a symbol on it?

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miles Orbell" <mpck at intekom.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: [928uk] Green button 1989 S4 auto


> Anyone know what the green button next to aircon button is for ?
> 
> 
> 
> Not shown in owners manual.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, Miles.
> 
>


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> 928.org.uk


From Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com  Sat Aug 20 09:39:52 2005
From: Chris.Bone at Honeywell.com (Bone, Chris (IT13))
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:39:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Hello 28ers
Message-ID: <BA21EF8FD7B53848B1C2F0098CD264060E1FA4@FR44EV804.global.ds.honeywell.com>

Hello everyone at 928.org!

 

I am a big fan of this site and it helped me to decide to take the
plunge and buy a 928!

 

I have just arrived in the UK to set up home with my family and being in
the market for a car I decided to reject the "family man company car"
and get my hands on one of these magnificent specimens. I have managed
to get myself a 1990 GT in reasonable condition (I think it is anyway!)
and am planning on doing my best to get it into good condition without
breaking the bank at the same time.

 

I would very much like to get in touch with anyone in my area that can
give me some pointers on good places to get service and kit for my 928,
share some wisdom and maybe spin some yarns. I am located in Henley on
Thames in Oxfordshire and can be contacted on this email address at
anytime.

 

Hope to hear from you soon.

 

Regards,

 

Chris Bone

 



From info at jdsporsche.com  Sat Aug 20 09:58:40 2005
From: info at jdsporsche.com (JDSPorsche)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:58:40 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Return to Idle on 928GT
References: <20050817171237.22112D4865@mra03.ch.as12513.net><9b5ad1097163ffac59129e17977756f3@lineone.net><027b01c5a430$c18743a0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>
	<aae6f70d8ec6004ab213f9eb1a82ba39@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <006b01c5a565$5c3e8bd0$1f406051@jds6c903b071c4>

>> John
>
> OK, I know I'm being pedantic (as usual) but, although fuel cut-off may be 
> initiated electronically from within the LH ECU, isn't the subsequent 
> operation of the fuel pressure regulator an integral part of the overrun 
> fuel cut-off process, viz. throttle switch closed, rpm above idle, 
> injectors shut off, manifold depression at maximum, FPR fully open?
>>>>>>