[928uk] Re: Cross posted 928GB & 928UK

[Angus]

Listers See inline for my comment on this whole situation. If you dont 
die of boredom before the end that is... -->

Angus
On 27 May 2004, at 5:30 pm, Joe Farman wrote:

> Hi Angus,
>
> Thanks for clarifing the situation for me about people being chucked 
> off
> list, i had no intention of going anywhere.

Good. Enjoy the list and your 928  - thats the point.

> I can understand the email address issue very well but the content is
> sometimes relevant to all 928 owners, for the same reasons you are only
> in and manage one list a lot of people only subscribe to one list and
> many only check lists online and not by email,

It isnt really about that -  I just get fed up with coming in half way 
through a conversation on a cross posted email.

Cross-posting is a direct causes of complaining emails - thus 
generating noise rather than signal. Just look on google for articles 
on the do-s and don'ts of cross-posting and extrapolate your own 
opinion from that.

>  i was in 928GB for over a
> year before i even heard of 928UK and i enjoy the digests from both 
> lists
> and a few others now, it's just at the moment it seems both GB and UK 
> are
> getting into petty arguments when we should all be glowing from the 
> great
> meeting last weekend and looking to attract more people next year.

Robs fantastic team and his sponsors and those who donated time and 
effort  deserve a huge amount of credit and respect for putting on the 
finest 928 event ever in the world. They should be being carried 
shoulder high into the Porsche Headquarters along with their team. This 
event was always theirs. Not 928uk or anyone elses. I was genuinely 
surprised and thrilled to get a memento and asked to speak.

On republishing I really do have an issue with it.  I try not to 
publish my email address 'in the clear'. The list is a group of friends 
I dont mind having my email address. Its an email list precisely 
because of that. Its not a forum. I dont particularly like forums. If I 
joined a forum I would hide my email address and use a handle or 
nickname. To me they seem to just be different models of information 
sharing and Ive resisted making 928uk a forum just because of the 
benefits of a list (you can read and reply to it offline)

Republishing seems to go against what people were agreeing to in 
joining the mail list. Theres nothing in the sign up about it being 
republished on other servers.

I cant stop it without a lot of admin and bureaucracy. I dislike it. Im 
loathe to do moderation or other vetting because I have a full time job 
doing something else and this is supposed to be a hobby for fun.

On arguments - I havent had an argument with anyone. I just got an 
email this week telling me the list was being republished and I sent an 
email to the list asking if that should stop. I didnt mention 928GB in 
that email as far as I remember. I dont even know who represents 928GB 
or is part of it. Any subscriber to the list could be republishing it.  
I just expressed a preference that the list not be republished en-mass 
and in the clear on web sites.

Ive also always had a link to 928GB on the links page on 928.org.uk. I 
havent any opinion on 928GB really as Im busy with this site and list. 
I dont read rennlist or any other car lists anymore for the same 
reason. This is nothing to do with like or dislike but I get literally 
hundreds of emails a day and dont have the bandwidth to be on other 
lists.

928uk and the web site have been my responsibility for 3 years or so 
and I was a founder, bought and own the domain name, bought all the 
hardware it runs on and all the software used in it and the bandwidth 
is uses. All the other original people have long gone apart from one. 
If theres history there then thats all it is. Its my hobby. Sad it may 
be but I learn a lot about hosting Internet Services from the coal face 
rather than as a product manager in my day job and Im proud of the list 
and its uptime (apart from Monday) and camaraderie and the amount of 
money people have saved by getting good advice rather than just stiffed 
by a dealer.

> However it's looked at with only one group being involved any event 
> would
> not attract the high turnout seen this year, a lot of additional 
> interest
> was generated when it was publised on 928GB yahoogroup and associated
> 928ME website as well as 928UK.

The whole point of 928uk was to be a mail list without politics of 
clubs so its depressing really that it should descent into a parody of 
the Life of Brian.

The sad thing is that this topic in general has hit every mail list and 
newsgroup on every subject known to man since the start of the 
Internet. It dies away then flares up then dies away. I remember the 
wars in the 80's on changing the name of the Star Trek newsgroup - you 
had to be there for that one.

The wisest thing is to ignore it which is what I plan to do now.

Angus
PS I think everyone on the list should rent 'Best in Show' and just 
think 928s instead of Dogs.....