From richard at ritech-systems.com Sun Feb 1 11:09:06 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:09:06 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Flat Battery In-Reply-To: References: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD201B4E0C1@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com> Message-ID: In message , Jon Holdsworth writes >If you are a member of Costco or know someone who is they sell Bosch >Silver batteries (the only make they do sell) - about ?45 for a 928 battery if >I remember correctly. >? >I now have a Bosch silver in my SE (from Costco). >? >I think just about any modern battery will do the trick and last far longer >than most would expect. Unfortunately 928s do have a habit (or is it their >owners) of discharging their batteries. My favourite is leaving the glove box >open. After 3 or 4 complete discharges any battery however expensive will >be toast. >? You can discharge a lead acid battery as many times as you like - as long as it is recharged immediately. It just must not be left discharged, otherwise it will be toast. Richard From richard at ritech-systems.com Sun Feb 1 11:11:58 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:11:58 +0000 Subject: [928uk] More info on Mydoom Virus In-Reply-To: <401A748D.F73B80CE@lcf.linst.ac.uk> References: <200401301200.i0UC07208866@raq01.multizone.co.uk> <401A748D.F73B80CE@lcf.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <401A748D.F73B80CE at lcf.linst.ac.uk>, Mukesh Patel writes >A good overview of the Virus and it's effects on the BBC website : > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3439959.stm > >Receiving the e-mail sent by an infected computer in itself is a >nuisance but not a major problem. However if you open the attachment >sent with the e-mail, it infects your PC (i.e it will then read your >addressbook and start sending out more infected e-mails), but more >importantly, it will also leave a port open on your computer which >hackers can hack into. Also on 1st Feb onwards it may use this port on >your computer to attack another predetermined site (Denial of Service >attack in the jargon). Therefore important to use a program such as >Stinger from McAfee to close the port. See: > >http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm > >or > >http://www3.ca.com/virusinfo/virus.aspx?ID=38102 > >Also, another variant has apparently been released today,so best to keep >antivirus s/w upto date and not to open any messages unless you are >absolutely sure you know who it is from. > >Hope this helps. > >Mukesh >(aspiring) 928 owner! Useful - as I got zapped Thanks Richard From hans.shark928 at virgin.net Sun Feb 1 11:23:15 2004 From: hans.shark928 at virgin.net (Hans928) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:23:15 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Test - please ignore Message-ID: <001201c3e8b5$c977c4a0$a48f0252@w8s0p7> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From james at rysuk.com Sun Feb 1 17:19:10 2004 From: james at rysuk.com (James Sweeting) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:19:10 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Fan constantly on References: <000001c3e829$2bfe86f0$2002a8c0@Starbug> Message-ID: <002c01c3e8e7$82008f30$0c01a8c0@quadriga.com> I am right in thinking that the fan isn't supposed to be running on my 928S until the engine starts getting to hot? If so what would cause it to be running when cold and first turned on Any suggestions greatfully recieved cheers James 82 928 S From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Sun Feb 1 18:52:05 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:52:05 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 article in Porsche Post References: <004901c3e5ad$5148e320$3917d2d5@ThinkPad><003a01c3e768$29e319b0$2e74883e@CARLTONCOURT> <004401c3e7e5$41a0f360$146d893e@BRIERLEY> Message-ID: <003801c3e8f4$7dc28470$5c13d2d5@ThinkPad> Absolutely, Andrew. It was one of the very best & most exhillerating things I have ever done. Have you gort your write up Andrew you did after the 2001 event? You could post it for Bill's interest & to get everyone else excited resady for next year! Al the best SAimon 95 GTS manual. IOM 2005 deffinitely! Wouldn't miss it for anything! ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 article in Porsche Post Bill What exactly would you like to know? PCGB have already had a number of trips to IOM in 2000 and 2001, I went to both. There have been a number of smaller trips with the Heritage group. The next big official trip will be May 2005 to celebrate the centenary of the first car TT race in 1905. The bikes didn't start until 1910/1911 I think. The car circuit is longer than the bike circuit at 55 miles. At the moment in the IOM derestricted roads means just that, no speed limits. There are villages and the 30 mph speed limit is enforced there. But that's no problem, when you have been blasting through the countryside at 100mph + you need a the break of 30 mph every so often. The PCGB trip usually consists of organised events and drives but we do our own fast drives. The organised events usually include a track day at Jurby. Not a brilliant circuit, old airfield but plenty of space to explore the limits and spin if you want to (no names mentioned!!). Also, 8 miles of the mountain section is a closed road for one morning. This means we drive up it like it a race track. It's a bit weird going around blind bends on the wrong side of the road, needs a bit of mental adjustment. Travelling the 8 miles and hitting speeds of 135 mph is the most exhilarating driving experience Simon and I have ever had. More so than a track day, it's much more intense. Even with the road open 4 of us mange to cover 12 miles of the mountain section in 8 minutes = 90 mph average speed!!! Great event and hoping to get a decent number of 928s there in 2005. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: Simon Watson ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 article in Porsche Post OK for those new to the 928 group enlighten us please on the IOM trip. I am very interested in anything that lets me drive fast and legal..and gives me time to plan and save, thanks , Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Sun Feb 1 18:55:37 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:55:37 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Brake Pads References: <000001c3e829$2bfe86f0$2002a8c0@Starbug> Message-ID: <005b01c3e8f4$fb118700$5c13d2d5@ThinkPad> If this happens you need to shamfer off the edge(s) of the friction material so all the pad touches the flat part of the disc Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Horsley928" To: "'John Hambilton'" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Brake Pads > John, > > I've just fitted EBC's to my car. > > With one week of driving under my belt I can confirm that there is no > squeal, and brake dust is almost non existent (250 miles of driving this > week). > > Braking is comparable to previous pads, but I think I need to bleed my > brakes as I'm experiencing some sponginess on the pedal. > One thing I've noticed is that the pads are possibly a slightly different > shape to the ones previously fitted. This has resulted in the pads not fully > gripping the disk and I have a track that runs around the middle of the disk > where the pad is not touching the disk surface (there is no significant > uneven wear on the disk surface to account for this). This is gradually > reducing the more the pads are used. > > I think these pads are well worth it just for the lack of dust they > generate. My wheels are going to be much easier to clean this weekend. > > Richard. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf > Of John Hambilton > Sent: 31 January 2004 01:14 > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Brake Pads > > Guys, > > I'll be needing to change my brake pads in 2-3k miles. I'm set on > going for either SBSs or EBCs. Chris Sanderson uses SBS pads and > reckons they're a big improvement over the standard pads when it comes > to stopping quick. On the downside he says they do squeal a lot more > and they're not much better than the standard with respect to brake > dust. Reading the blurb on EBCs it does sound like they're perfect - > no squeal, disc wear or brake dust. It's difficult to believe the EBCs > are quite as good as their blurb claims. Can anyone offer some > feedback based on personal experience wrt squeal, dust, wear and > stopping power? > > Thanks, > > John > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Sun Feb 1 19:03:42 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:03:42 -0000 Subject: [928uk] York Dragway Update References: <20040131182450.BA01314F692@mail.messagingengine.com> <002101c3e82a$ce5edde0$c778893e@BRIERLEY> Message-ID: <00b201c3e8f6$1c263250$5c13d2d5@ThinkPad> Good point Andrew. Well done Joe, organising this. Regret will be away in Spain otherwise would be there of course. Simon 95 GTS Record speed over the line at Santa Pod 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Brierley" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] York Dragway Update Now let me see, when Rob and I announced the event we arranging at Beaulieu how much flak did I get because:- 1. The event is in the South 2. Just a static event ''looking at each other cars again''. Joe is arranging an event in the North and guess what it's a driving event. Now we only have Joe, Kal, Mac and myself down for this. So where are all you people that criticised the Beaulieu event? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Farman" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "928GB" <928GB at yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: [928uk] York Dragway Update (crossposted 928UK & 928GB) > Hi all 928'ers > > Got 4 interested so far for the 12th April (Bank Holiday Monday) at York > Dragway not sure of costs yet but last year was @?9-?10 entry per person > 1/2 price under 14's and another ?15 to RWYB, helmets required but > limited amount available for hire. > > For more info on events see > > http://yorkdragway.intrica.co.uk/ > > So far > > Me > Kal > Andrew Brierley (provisional) > Big Mac (provisional to confirm if available) > > > All the best, > > Joe > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From angusf at 928.org.uk Sun Feb 1 20:42:22 2004 From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:42:22 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: auto conversion to manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2311F0F3-54F7-11D8-98BD-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk> I forwarded this to our mail list. I have a manual so I cant really advise about autos. I would say its pointless doing a conversion though. Costly compared to buying a manual. Angus PS Listers please reply cc:barton as I dont think he is on the list. On 1 Feb 2004, at 12:41 pm, Barton Brisland wrote: > Hi Angus, > > I've been checking out your website and that of DEVEK etc, having > recently > considered getting a 928 S4 'project car' for our new magazine called > Fast > Road & Track Day. The car in question is an auto, as I believe most of > them > are. Will the auto box seriously inhibit its suitability for Track Day > use? > If so, is a manual conversion worth considering, or is there some kind > of > manual valve body/ shifter product available for the auto? > > Any advice would be gratefully received. > > Barton > www.fastroad-mag.com > From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Sun Feb 1 21:42:13 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:42:13 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Synthetic Oil In-Reply-To: <000101c3e82a$08469620$2002a8c0@Starbug> Message-ID: <200402012142.i11LgDcZ019828@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Len Mann wrote: > > Can anyone tell me of a good product to buy and where to get it? To help answer the first part of your question, a really good read is: http://www.landsharkoz.com/tt/ttlubricant.htm [Don't stop at the introduction -- you need to click on each chapter.] -- Phil The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. -- Tom Clancy (1947-), paraphrasing Mark Twain From nobu.asai at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 1 23:16:56 2004 From: nobu.asai at ntlworld.com (Nobu Asai) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:16:56 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: auto conversion to manual In-Reply-To: <2311F0F3-54F7-11D8-98BD-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk> Message-ID: <20040201231630.LILK10165.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@VAIOMain> Here is my view. I had a 91 S4 Auto which I had experience of running on several circuit including Goodwood, Nurburgring both in dry and wet. I would say, it can go as fast as manuals. Of course a lot depend on the circuit and more importantly the condition of the car. (Suspension set-up, etc.) If you manual shift the gears it goes as well as manuals do. More over if you are not so familiar with the track, then I think Auto works even better as you can concentrate more of brakes and handling rather than thinking about which gear to use. Also, now days most of racing cars are autos anyway. I know some people will be against my opinion, but Jon Holdsworth is living witness that I was one of the fastest 928 on Goodyear circuit during Euro 928 couple of years ago. Of course if main purpose if to be on the track, then Manual is the best solution. My point is for occasional use on the track, Auto can be as fast as manuals and can have as good time of the track. Well, probably it will trigger some discussion. cheers, Nobu ASAI former owner of '91 S4 Auto Polar Silver > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk > [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Angus Fox > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:42 PM > To: 928UK list' > Cc: Barton Brisland > Subject: [928uk] Re: auto conversion to manual > > I forwarded this to our mail list. I have a manual so I cant > really advise about autos. > I would say its pointless doing a conversion though. Costly > compared to buying a manual. > > Angus > PS Listers please reply cc:barton as I dont think he is on the list. > On 1 Feb 2004, at 12:41 pm, Barton Brisland wrote: > > > Hi Angus, > > > > I've been checking out your website and that of DEVEK etc, having > > recently considered getting a 928 S4 'project car' for our new > > magazine called Fast Road & Track Day. The car in question > is an auto, > > as I believe most of them are. Will the auto box seriously > inhibit its > > suitability for Track Day use? > > If so, is a manual conversion worth considering, or is > there some kind > > of manual valve body/ shifter product available for the auto? > > > > Any advice would be gratefully received. > > > > Barton > > www.fastroad-mag.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Mon Feb 2 04:58:51 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 04:58:51 GMT Subject: [928uk] Power steering Message-ID: <6faaaeef.ba8bf25.81afe00@mail05.onetel.net.uk> Check the little UJs on the steering column just above the rack. Smiffy From john.constantine at btinternet.com Mon Feb 2 08:01:39 2004 From: john.constantine at btinternet.com (John Constantine) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:01:39 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel Injectors Message-ID: <000f01c3e962$cabaea60$e9a44c51@CypherLaptop> Hi, I'm slowly getting through "Project 928", but alas I'm in need of help again..... I'm in the process of replacing all the vaccums around the engine and to this end I'm in the process of removing th intake system. I've currently got one bank of injectors out and only one of them will let presurised air through them. I've checked on rennlist and that suggests blowing carb clearer down them, but as I say, I can't get anything through them anyway. Still, my question, where in the UK can I get a new set of injectors from? for an 83 S. Cheers, JC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at ritech-systems.com Mon Feb 2 11:02:31 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:02:31 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel Injectors In-Reply-To: <000f01c3e962$cabaea60$e9a44c51@CypherLaptop> References: <000f01c3e962$cabaea60$e9a44c51@CypherLaptop> Message-ID: Before doing that find a local garage that has an ASNU injector cleaner tank. That will clean and test the injectors, and will cost a load less than replacing the injectors completely. Richard In message <000f01c3e962$cabaea60$e9a44c51 at CypherLaptop>, John Constantine writes >Hi, >? >I'm slowly getting through "Project 928", but alas I'm in need of help >again..... >? >I'm in the process of replacing all the vaccums around the engine and to >this end I'm in the process of removing th intake system. >? >I've currently got one bank of injectors out and only one of them will let >presurised air through them. I've checked on rennlist and that? suggests >blowing carb clearer down them, but as I say, I can't get anything through >them anyway. >? >Still, my question, where in the UK can I get a new set of injectors from? >for an 83 S. >? >Cheers, >? >JC From hans.shark928 at virgin.net Mon Feb 2 11:29:49 2004 From: hans.shark928 at virgin.net (Hans928) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:29:49 -0000 Subject: [928uk] FAO Dave Hamilton Message-ID: <001401c3e97f$de1f0880$e8750252@w8s0p7> Dave, could you mail me off list please - I have accidentally deleted your email address. Thanks. Hans. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.constantine at btinternet.com Mon Feb 2 11:49:20 2004 From: john.constantine at btinternet.com (John Constantine) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:49:20 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel Injectors References: <000f01c3e962$cabaea60$e9a44c51@CypherLaptop> Message-ID: <005201c3e982$ebab05a0$e9a44c51@CypherLaptop> Thanks, I'm looking into this after your suggestion. On a side to this, when removing the injectors from the tube, it came out complete with the aluminum sleeve than screws into the tube - is this right? i.e. are they one whole item? or can you get the injector out of them? The reason I ask is that all of them were solid in there except for one which turns around freely. Any comments appreciated. Thanks JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Armstrong" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] Fuel Injectors Before doing that find a local garage that has an ASNU injector cleaner tank. That will clean and test the injectors, and will cost a load less than replacing the injectors completely. Richard In message <000f01c3e962$cabaea60$e9a44c51 at CypherLaptop>, John Constantine writes >Hi, > >I'm slowly getting through "Project 928", but alas I'm in need of help >again..... > >I'm in the process of replacing all the vaccums around the engine and to >this end I'm in the process of removing th intake system. > >I've currently got one bank of injectors out and only one of them will let >presurised air through them. I've checked on rennlist and that suggests >blowing carb clearer down them, but as I say, I can't get anything through >them anyway. > >Still, my question, where in the UK can I get a new set of injectors from? >for an 83 S. > >Cheers, > >JC _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From SWalker at ndsuk.com Mon Feb 2 12:14:21 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:14:21 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Rolling Road "Shoot-out" - Final Arrangements Message-ID: Hi All, The 928 rolling road shoot out is shaping up nicely for this coming Saturday (7th) with a good spread of cars due to attend: a couple of S's, an S2, an S4, 4xGT's & a GTS! There is still space for more, so let me know if you fancy coming along (you can even bring another motor if your 928 is sick/you haven't got one yet!). Alternatively, you can just turn up 'ad-hoc' on the day to put your car to the test, or just watch the others! As a reminder, the location is Aylesbury, Bucks at G-Force Motorsport (www.g-force-motorsport.co.uk), postcode HP19 8TE. Participants need to arrive for 9am Sat morning for the briefing. First car on the rollers about 9.30am. See the 928UK homepage for more details (www.928.org.uk) & dyno piccies! Depending on the number of cars, we should be finished around 1pm. Then we will head to: The Bugle Horn pub (Oxford Rd., Hartwell, Aylesbury, HP17 8QP) - for lunch, drink & full discussion on those power/torque print-outs! Looking forward to seeing in excess of 2500 bhp-worth of Porsche V8's under test!! Scott '91 GT (midnight blue) P.S. Don't forget your cameras/camcorders/sound recorders! P.P.S. See G-Force's FAQ (http://www.g-force-motorsport.co.uk/dyno/rolling%20road%20detail%201.htm) to make sure you/your car is ready! -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Scott Sent: 27 January 2004 18:13 Subject: RE: Rolling Road "Shoot-out" - Event is on! Okay ... the 928 rolling road day on Sat 7th Feb (week on Sat) is confirmed! ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Mon Feb 2 12:49:41 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:49:41 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200402021200.i12C0E230430@raq01.multizone.co.uk> References: <200402021200.i12C0E230430@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040202124941.D35BC1513D8@mail.messagingengine.com> Hi Barton, Paul Anderson is the man to ask about auto to manual conversions, i believe he has done 4 now his website is http://www.928spares.co.uk The autos are great fun on the track as well i've done 5 now in my 83S 3 speed auto. atb Joe > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:42:22 +0000 > From: Angus Fox > Subject: [928uk] Re: auto conversion to manual > To: "928UK list'" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Cc: Barton Brisland > Message-ID: <2311F0F3-54F7-11D8-98BD-0050E4C05D73 at 928.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I forwarded this to our mail list. I have a manual so I cant really > advise about autos. > I would say its pointless doing a conversion though. Costly compared to > buying a manual. > > Angus > PS Listers please reply cc:barton as I dont think he is on the list. > On 1 Feb 2004, at 12:41 pm, Barton Brisland wrote: > > > Hi Angus, > > > > I've been checking out your website and that of DEVEK etc, having > > recently > > considered getting a 928 S4 'project car' for our new magazine called > > Fast > > Road & Track Day. The car in question is an auto, as I believe most of > > them > > are. Will the auto box seriously inhibit its suitability for Track Day > > use? > > If so, is a manual conversion worth considering, or is there some kind > > of > > manual valve body/ shifter product available for the auto? > > > > Any advice would be gratefully received. > > > > Barton > > www.fastroad-mag.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From owen928_4 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 12:50:25 2004 From: owen928_4 at hotmail.com (OWEN GUPPY) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:50:25 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company Message-ID: Has anyone heard of or used this company? They offer a complete alloy refurb service at your home, taking off the wheels and tyres etc. ?64 a wheel incl. Vat. I think I'll give it a go unless someone is about to warn me otherwise! Owen _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From SWalker at ndsuk.com Mon Feb 2 12:50:55 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:50:55 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Rolling Road "Shoot-out" - Final Arrangements Message-ID: I should also have re-stated the cost - it's now 50GBP (unless we break the 12 cars threshold on the day!). Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Scott Hi All, The 928 rolling road shoot out is shaping up nicely for this coming Saturday (7th) with a good spread of cars due to attend: a couple of S's, an S2, an S4, 4xGT's & a GTS! There is still space for more, so let me know if you fancy coming along (you can even bring another motor if your 928 is sick/you haven't got one yet!). Alternatively, you can just turn up 'ad-hoc' on the day to put your car to the test, or just watch the others! As a reminder, the location is Aylesbury, Bucks at G-Force Motorsport (www.g-force-motorsport.co.uk), postcode HP19 8TE. Participants need to arrive for 9am Sat morning for the briefing. First car on the rollers about 9.30am. See the 928UK homepage for more details (www.928.org.uk) & dyno piccies! Depending on the number of cars, we should be finished around 1pm. Then we will head to: The Bugle Horn pub (Oxford Rd., Hartwell, Aylesbury, HP17 8QP) - for lunch, drink & full discussion on those power/torque print-outs! Looking forward to seeing in excess of 2500 bhp-worth of Porsche V8's under test!! Scott '91 GT (midnight blue) P.S. Don't forget your cameras/camcorders/sound recorders! P.P.S. See G-Force's FAQ (http://www.g-force-motorsport.co.uk/dyno/rolling%20road%20detail%201.htm) to make sure you/your car is ready! ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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I have > just bought a 1989 928 Club Sport that was apparently for sale at that > show in 1999. It's White and would have been on German plates. Have > you any pictures of it? > > Regards Dave. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1030 bytes Desc: not available URL: From titters at btinternet.com Mon Feb 2 15:41:08 2004 From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:41:08 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels Message-ID: <002b01c3e9a2$fb42ab10$336d8551@weasel> Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at ritech-systems.com Mon Feb 2 15:52:05 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:52:05 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Flat Battery + Car Repairs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott Would love to come, unfortunately my plans for last weekend went tits up when I had to deliver a system to Banbury. Not happy. Consequently the car has not progressed at all (working on site all last week and most of this). The engine mount job is a bit involved, and I haven't dropped the subframe yet - the car looks a bit sad with the front wheels hanging at odd angles. I also need to replace/make up some new 'T' bolts as well, the animals who changed the rack last year stripped two threads and sheared another, then bodged it back together. Shame, I would have liked to have come. I will make the 21st though. Richard >Hi Richard, >How's the engine mount replacement going? Just wanted to say that >you're still welcome to bring your motor along to the rolling road shoot-out >if you get all fixed up in time. > >Cheers, >Scott '91 GT >P.S. I'm with you on the battery charging - a discharge + a re-charge >doesn't hurt lead-acids (as long as each is not "super-fast"/v.high >current)... that's what they're designed for! > From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Mon Feb 2 16:00:44 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:00:44 -0000 Subject: Fw: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company Message-ID: <001d01c3e9a5$b73e1280$7713d2d5@ThinkPad> > Owen, > I should think they are good. I've seen their mobile workshop van at my OPC > doing work for them so should be good. I just rang lancaster cambridge just > noew for you & they said they were good; Lanc now do refurb of wheels in > their own bodyshop, but till then they used Wicked Wheels. > All the best > Simon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "OWEN GUPPY" > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:50 PM > Subject: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company > > > > Has anyone heard of or used this company? They offer a complete alloy refurb > service at your home, taking off the wheels and tyres etc. > > ?64 a wheel incl. Vat. > > I think I'll give it a go unless someone is about to warn me otherwise! > > > Owen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From alan_b at mac.com Mon Feb 2 16:14:13 2004 From: alan_b at mac.com (Alan Baldwin) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:14:13 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company Message-ID: <8055490.1075738453222.JavaMail.alan_b@mac.com> They have done a set od cups for me. (In Bristol). They will come to you. They are franchised operators, and some are better than others (from other lists). They do not remove the tyres, just press back the bead on the outside. They strip off the old paint, and apply primer coats, paint (2 pack silver in my case) and lacquer on top. Finish was good, but they are really a paint shop. If you arelooking for good cosmetic job, the guy did a fine job. If you are looking to refurb your whole wheel rims (say perhaps because your tyres are not holding pressure due to corrosion around the beads, then better to use people who take the wheels off and do the whole thing. (Spit and Polish, Diamond Styling etc). Simon is right, though. Many OPCs did used to use them. Alan 89GT On Monday, February 02, 2004, at 12:50PM, OWEN GUPPY wrote: > >Has anyone heard of or used this company? They offer a complete alloy refurb >service at your home, taking off the wheels and tyres etc. > >?64 a wheel incl. Vat. > >I think I'll give it a go unless someone is about to warn me otherwise! > From ddevilder at datamonitor.com Mon Feb 2 16:53:15 2004 From: ddevilder at datamonitor.com (Diederik de Vilder) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:53:15 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Start problems Message-ID: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD202643F85@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com> Hi, I've experienced a few start problems over the weekend. These are the first of their kind. I started the car on saturday morning, after standing unused for 6 days. We drove for more than an hour in London. We arrived at destination. Leaving half hour later, no problems to start. I drive to a car park. I park the car and leave it for 6 hours. The car didn't start, until after 15 minutes trying, I engaged the starter motor for about 7 seconds, and the engine hesitantly came to live. We drove around London. Started a few times. No problem. Arrive at a mate's place. Leave the car for 4 hours. Upon returning, the car didn't start. Again, after about 15 minutes trying, I engaged the starter motor for about 7 seconds, and the engine again come hesitantly to live ( a bit of throtlle brought it to live properly). On both occasions, I had the impression the car almost started on the first turn before giving up. All other attempts were not successful, until after 15 minutes. This is rather annoying because I don't feel comfortable taking the car out, considering that I might not get home. Any input would be welcome. Diederik De Vilder 928S 1982 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, please be advised that it has been sent in error and therefore any use is strictly prohibited. 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Quite possibly the same thing for Diederik, though his is presumably not a blown fuse or it wouldn't be intermittent. Do I need to disconnect the battery before unplugging/ inserting relays? And how can I test a relay as good? And - how ludicrously expensive are they? Kingsley '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Diederik de Vilder Sent: 02 February 2004 16:53 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Start problems Hi, I've experienced a few start problems over the weekend. These are the first of their kind. I started the car on saturday morning, after standing unused for 6 days. We drove for more than an hour in London. We arrived at destination. Leaving half hour later, no problems to start. I drive to a car park. I park the car and leave it for 6 hours. The car didn't start, until after 15 minutes trying, I engaged the starter motor for about 7 seconds, and the engine hesitantly came to live. We drove around London. Started a few times. No problem. Arrive at a mate's place. Leave the car for 4 hours. Upon returning, the car didn't start. Again, after about 15 minutes trying, I engaged the starter motor for about 7 seconds, and the engine again come hesitantly to live ( a bit of throtlle brought it to live properly). On both occasions, I had the impression the car almost started on the first turn before giving up. All other attempts were not successful, until after 15 minutes. This is rather annoying because I don't feel comfortable taking the car out, considering that I might not get home. Any input would be welcome. Diederik De Vilder 928S 1982 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, please be advised that it has been sent in error and therefore any use is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you are concerned about the content of this email, please notify our IT helpdesk on +44 20 7675 7000. ___________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses through the MessageLabs Virus Control Center. From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Mon Feb 2 18:26:14 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:26:14 EST Subject: [928uk] Start problems Message-ID: <1a2.1fc6a7b2.2d4ff046@aol.com> In a message dated 02/02/04 17:28:41 GMT Standard Time, kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net writes: > Not wishing to hijack Diederik's thread completely, having (hopefully) > resolved my drained-battery issue my GT now won't start - at all. The > starter motor engages but there's no hint of the engine firing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kingsley, It could be nothing more than damp in a slightly cracked distributor cap..............is the car garaged, or in the open ? If the engine doesn't fire straight away, it can easily flood. If this happens, either try to start with foot to the floor. Or just leave it to dry out for 10-15 minutes. > My suspicion is DME (or equivalent) and fuel pump relays, and fuel pump > fuses. Whatever's in there, really. Quite possibly the same thing for > Diederik, though his is presumably not a blown fuse or it wouldn't be > intermittent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can swap other relays for the fuel pump relay. I believe the recirc fan uses the same type, and you can easily test the fan before you swap this relay for the suspect fuel pump one. You should hear the fuel pump whining away at the rear of the car when it's cranking. Get someone to check while to try and start it. > Do I need to disconnect the battery before unplugging/ inserting relays? > And how can I test a relay as good? And - how ludicrously expensive are > they? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as you just grip the sides of the relay can you will be OK, but the contact pins are very close to the bottom edge, so be careful. Ease them out, or you can crush the can. Battery disconnect is the safest way ! Good luck ! John > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Mon Feb 2 14:52:04 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:52:04 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company References: Message-ID: <003401c3e99c$29344fd0$7713d2d5@ThinkPad> Owen, I should think they are good. I've seen their mobile workshop van at my OPC doing work for them so should be good. I just rang lancaster cambridge just noew for you & they said they were good; Lanc now do refurb of wheels in their own bodyshop, but till then they used Wicked Wheels. All the best Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "OWEN GUPPY" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company Has anyone heard of or used this company? They offer a complete alloy refurb service at your home, taking off the wheels and tyres etc. ?64 a wheel incl. Vat. I think I'll give it a go unless someone is about to warn me otherwise! Owen _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From auswegians at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 20:30:09 2004 From: auswegians at hotmail.com (craig palmer) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:30:09 +0100 Subject: [928uk] driving on a frozen fjord Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marton at befree.ch Mon Feb 2 20:52:27 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton hasenberg) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 21:52:27 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Start problems References: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD202643F85@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com> Message-ID: <017401c3e9ce$77f53800$5bb1a73e@marton> if it does not start first time, then when you try it again keep the throttle pressed onto the floor. My car has the same problem sometimes. I think it is "false air" i.e. one or more of the pipes on or attached to the intake manifold are loose or leaking. Marton 81s ----- Original Message ----- From: Diederik de Vilder To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: [928uk] Start problems Hi, I've experienced a few start problems over the weekend. These are the first of their kind. I started the car on saturday morning, after standing unused for 6 days. We drove for more than an hour in London. We arrived at destination. Leaving half hour later, no problems to start. I drive to a car park. I park the car and leave it for 6 hours. The car didn't start, until after 15 minutes trying, I engaged the starter motor for about 7 seconds, and the engine hesitantly came to live. We drove around London. Started a few times. No problem. Arrive at a mate's place. Leave the car for 4 hours. Upon returning, the car didn't start. Again, after about 15 minutes trying, I engaged the starter motor for about 7 seconds, and the engine again come hesitantly to live ( a bit of throtlle brought it to live properly). On both occasions, I had the impression the car almost started on the first turn before giving up. All other attempts were not successful, until after 15 minutes. This is rather annoying because I don't feel comfortable taking the car out, considering that I might not get home. Any input would be welcome. Diederik De Vilder 928S 1982 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, please be advised that it has been sent in error and therefore any use is strictly prohibited. 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Norsk Hotmail snakker ditt spr?k! - F? Hotmail p? norsk i dag ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owen928_4 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 22:25:35 2004 From: owen928_4 at hotmail.com (OWEN GUPPY) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:25:35 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company Message-ID: Simon Very kind of you to call them for me. The Swindon Wicked Wheels man is coming for a look on Thursday. I'm also bidding on ebay for some Porsche crested dust caps, which should finish it all off nicely. Cheers Owen _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Mon Feb 2 22:29:30 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:29:30 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Flat Battery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200402022229.i12MTVRQ006820@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Richard Armstrong wrote: > > You can discharge a lead acid battery as many times as you like - as > long as it is recharged immediately. It just must not be left > discharged, otherwise it will be toast. Hi Richard, I think that perhaps you are drawing from marine experience. See, e.g. which distinguishes "Automotive batteries" from "Marine or golf cart batteries (Deep Cycle Batteries)": "Automotive batteries are not designed as deep cycle batteries. Automotive batteries are designed to be fully charged when starting the car; after starting the vehicle, the lost charge is replaced by the alternator. So the battery remains fully charged. Deep cycling an automotive battery will cause damage to the plates and shorten battery life." i.e. don't let your car battery go flat, most especially not regularly. -- Phil Birthdays are good for you. Statistics show that the people who have the most live the longest. -- Rev. Larry Lorenzoni From 928cs at noos.fr Mon Feb 2 22:38:04 2004 From: 928cs at noos.fr (Samuel Fournis) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:38:04 +0100 Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport question. In-Reply-To: <24977286-558E-11D8-AE06-0050E4C05D73@multizone.co.uk> References: <149.21571ba6.2d4e953a@aol.com> <24977286-558E-11D8-AE06-0050E4C05D73@multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: <401ED14C.6040305@noos.fr> Hi, Angus, Dave's car was the white car that was parked on the right of your SE. There was a picture of it on the old version of the 928uk web site. On this picture, the CS was on the left, your SE in the middle and a red SE on the right. Dave's car is easy to recognise, it was the only one LHD S4 with white Cup 1 rims and cross drilled brake rotors. It was the second CS I've seen (after mine) and I have only seen another one since. Dave's car is the last of the 17 CS produced, the last of the 7 1989 model year. It was sold in September 1999 and crashed on a roundabout by the new owner the week after, if the salesman told me the truth. Regards, Samuel Angus Fox wrote: > http://www.928.org.uk/92889csbb.html > > has pics of Samuels car at that show - in the first two you can see a > small bit of your club sport.. although I had heard it had gone up in > flames or some such disaster - nice to see its not so! > > Someone must have some better pics..... > > The gallery also has some pics of Derek Bells 87 prototype club sport.. > > Angus > > > On 1 Feb 2004, at 5:45 pm, Eldavehell at aol.com wrote: > > > Hello, I saw the article on the 928 Club Sport pictured at Porsche > Club Great Britain's Highclere 1999 owned by Samuel Fournis. I have > just bought a 1989 928 Club Sport that was apparently for sale at > that show in 1999. It's White and would have been on German plates. > Have you any pictures of it? > > Regards Dave. From afox at multizone.co.uk Mon Feb 2 22:53:47 2004 From: afox at multizone.co.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:53:47 +0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels In-Reply-To: <002b01c3e9a2$fb42ab10$336d8551@weasel> References: <002b01c3e9a2$fb42ab10$336d8551@weasel> Message-ID: I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: > Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with > sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with > no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. > ? > Thanks > ? > iain T 90 s4 > ? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1345 bytes Desc: not available URL: From afox at multizone.co.uk Mon Feb 2 22:57:00 2004 From: afox at multizone.co.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:57:00 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport question. In-Reply-To: <401ED14C.6040305@noos.fr> References: <149.21571ba6.2d4e953a@aol.com> <24977286-558E-11D8-AE06-0050E4C05D73@multizone.co.uk> <401ED14C.6040305@noos.fr> Message-ID: <1C1D28FA-55D3-11D8-817C-0050E4C05D73@multizone.co.uk> That means it might not be the one I said in the pics. The pics are all still in the images directory.... I'll have a look Angus =-= On 2 Feb 2004, at 10:38 pm, Samuel Fournis wrote: > Hi, > > Angus, Dave's car was the white car that was parked on the right of > your SE. > There was a picture of it on the old version of the 928uk web site. On > this picture, the CS was on the left, your SE in the middle and a red > SE on the right. > > Dave's car is easy to recognise, it was the only one LHD S4 with white > Cup 1 rims and cross drilled brake rotors. > It was the second CS I've seen (after mine) and I have only seen > another one since. > > Dave's car is the last of the 17 CS produced, the last of the 7 1989 > model year. > It was sold in September 1999 and crashed on a roundabout by the new > owner the week after, if the salesman told me the truth. > > Regards, > Samuel > > > Angus Fox wrote: >> http://www.928.org.uk/92889csbb.html >> has pics of Samuels car at that show - in the first two you can see a >> small bit of your club sport.. although I had heard it had gone up in >> flames or some such disaster - nice to see its not so! >> Someone must have some better pics..... >> The gallery also has some pics of Derek Bells 87 prototype club >> sport.. >> Angus >> On 1 Feb 2004, at 5:45 pm, Eldavehell at aol.com wrote: >> Hello, I saw the article on the 928 Club Sport pictured at Porsche >> Club Great Britain's Highclere 1999 owned by Samuel Fournis. I >> have >> just bought a 1989 928 Club Sport that was apparently for sale at >> that show in 1999. It's White and would have been on German >> plates. >> Have you any pictures of it? >> Regards Dave. From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 3 00:16:14 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 00:16:14 -0000 Subject: [928uk] My new 928!! Message-ID: <001401c3e9ea$f0ec6870$ae26893e@CARLTONCOURT> Picked her up on Saturday at Cambridge and took her to Paul Andersons in Stroud for the once over. Thanks to Jon Jeffreys who once again drove me to the car and made sure I got where I wanted to go! It turns out this one is identical in colour and year as my other 1979 car, light blue metallic( hellblau) , unfortunately not consecutive chassis numbers. Drove like a dream, great oil pressure but after driving thru a flood decided to drop the rear box 5 minutes from Paul's!! Also thanks for the offers of little white vans and jackets with rear fasteners, therapy etc.. It's all your fault really for introducing me to the fun of 928 ownership. Cant wait to get one out at full throttle, roll on summertime! PS need full interior for this latest one preferrably black sports leather' as Pasha is past saving.. Bill Robertson 1979 light blue auto x two. 1986 GP white S2 manual. 1990 Baltic Blue S4 auto. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My car's in with Chris Sanderson at the moment having about 2ks worth of work done on it. Hopefully it should be in fine fettle by then. Cheers, John From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Tue Feb 3 09:09:40 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:09:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels References: <002b01c3e9a2$fb42ab10$336d8551@weasel> Message-ID: <004b01c3ea35$776ffca0$758f87d9@n7m9k7> Angus I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? -with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Fox To: Iain Titterington Cc: 928uk org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net Tue Feb 3 09:19:44 2004 From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:19:44 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Start problems In-Reply-To: <1a2.1fc6a7b2.2d4ff046@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks, John The car is parked on the street, unfortunately, so the dampness angle seems quite feasible. I'll have to try the flooding resolution, too. Do all these suggestions apply to Diederik, too?? Kingsley -----Original Message----- From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [mailto:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com] Sent: 02 February 2004 18:26 To: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Start problems In a message dated 02/02/04 17:28:41 GMT Standard Time, kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net writes: Not wishing to hijack Diederik's thread completely, having (hopefully) resolved my drained-battery issue my GT now won't start - at all. The starter motor engages but there's no hint of the engine firing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kingsley, It could be nothing more than damp in a slightly cracked distributor cap..............is the car garaged, or in the open ? If the engine doesn't fire straight away, it can easily flood. If this happens, either try to start with foot to the floor. Or just leave it to dry out for 10-15 minutes. My suspicion is DME (or equivalent) and fuel pump relays, and fuel pump fuses. Whatever's in there, really. Quite possibly the same thing for Diederik, though his is presumably not a blown fuse or it wouldn't be intermittent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can swap other relays for the fuel pump relay. I believe the recirc fan uses the same type, and you can easily test the fan before you swap this relay for the suspect fuel pump one. You should hear the fuel pump whining away at the rear of the car when it's cranking. Get someone to check while to try and start it. Do I need to disconnect the battery before unplugging/ inserting relays? And how can I test a relay as good? And - how ludicrously expensive are they? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as you just grip the sides of the relay can you will be OK, but the contact pins are very close to the bottom edge, so be careful. Ease them out, or you can crush the can. Battery disconnect is the safest way ! Good luck ! John From richard.hacker at liverpool-victoria.co.uk Tue Feb 3 09:46:33 2004 From: richard.hacker at liverpool-victoria.co.uk (Hacker ,Richard) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:46:33 -0000 Subject: [928uk] For the Attention of the Mail Administrator Message-ID: Please could you redirect my mail from this address to richard.hacker at eds.com thanks Richard Hacker Desktop Engineer Ex:2414 Liverpool Victoria - with no shareholders, we're all yours. ********************************************************************** Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the Liverpool Victoria Friendly Society Ltd, Registered in England at County Gates, Bournemouth BH1 2NF, No.61 Coll. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify Liverpool Victoria's Security Administration Dept. by telephone on +44 (0) 1202 292333, ext. 4044. http://www.liverpool-victoria.co.uk ********************************************************************** From alan_b at mac.com Tue Feb 3 10:15:33 2004 From: alan_b at mac.com (Alan Baldwin) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:15:33 +0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels Message-ID: <1905406.1075803333246.JavaMail.alan_b@mac.com> If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with spacers and rolled arches. Alan 89GT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try swapping relays first - it's the cheapest solution ! let us know how you get on. John From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Tue Feb 3 12:27:36 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:27:36 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company References: Message-ID: <004401c3ea51$1b9fe4a0$e713d2d5@ThinkPad> Should look fab! Good luck Owen. Regds Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "OWEN GUPPY" To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 'Wicked Wheels' alloy refurb company > > Simon > > Very kind of you to call them for me. The Swindon Wicked Wheels man is > coming for a look on Thursday. I'm also bidding on ebay for some Porsche > crested dust caps, which should finish it all off nicely. > > Cheers > > > Owen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Tue Feb 3 12:28:53 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:28:53 -0000 Subject: [928uk] My new 928!! References: <001401c3e9ea$f0ec6870$ae26893e@CARLTONCOURT> Message-ID: <006001c3ea51$496e6cd0$e713d2d5@ThinkPad> What fun! Enjoy!! All the best Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: 928UK List Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:16 AM Subject: [928uk] My new 928!! Picked her up on Saturday at Cambridge and took her to Paul Andersons in Stroud for the once over. Thanks to Jon Jeffreys who once again drove me to the car and made sure I got where I wanted to go! It turns out this one is identical in colour and year as my other 1979 car, light blue metallic( hellblau) , unfortunately not consecutive chassis numbers. Drove like a dream, great oil pressure but after driving thru a flood decided to drop the rear box 5 minutes from Paul's!! Also thanks for the offers of little white vans and jackets with rear fasteners, therapy etc.. It's all your fault really for introducing me to the fun of 928 ownership. Cant wait to get one out at full throttle, roll on summertime! PS need full interior for this latest one preferrably black sports leather' as Pasha is past saving.. Bill Robertson 1979 light blue auto x two. 1986 GP white S2 manual. 1990 Baltic Blue S4 auto. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In that case I guess the rolled wheel arches and RDK both started in 89, certainly for the GT, but for the S4 was it 89 or 90? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Baldwin To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with spacers and rolled arches. Alan 89GT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Angus I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? -with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Fox To: Iain Titterington Cc: 928uk org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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URL: From kal at funkychimp.com Tue Feb 3 14:00:46 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:46 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels In-Reply-To: <005f01c3ea5d$36f09360$56bd87d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <001101c3ea5e$227208f0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> they started the same time as the digi dash in early '89 -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 13:54 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels That's interesting Alan I didn't think the forged alloys had RDK. In that case I guess the rolled wheel arches and RDK both started in 89, certainly for the GT, but for the S4 was it 89 or 90? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Baldwin To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with spacers and rolled arches. Alan 89GT _____ Angus I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? -with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Fox To: Iain Titterington Cc: 928uk org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Tue Feb 3 14:11:09 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:11:09 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Flat Battery Message-ID: Phil - note that it is not the process of discharging that causes problems, it is the process of re-charging: (from your link) "Marine or golf cart batteries (Deep Cycle Batteries) on the other hand are designed to be completely discharged before recharging. **Because charging causes excessive heat which can warp the plates**, thicker and stronger plate grids are used. [Normal automotive batteries are not designed for repeated deep cycling and use thinner plates.]" - hence why hi-rate/boost battery chargers are generally not recommended for car batteries (= buckled plates). I would guess that golf carts are recharged on a pretty high current rate (so that they can spend more of their time driving round golf courses than sitting in the re-charge room!!). So provided you use a trickle car battery charger & don't exclusively use your car battery in "golf cart mode" I still don't see a problem! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Phil Chadwick [mailto:citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au] Richard Armstrong wrote: > > You can discharge a lead acid battery as many times as you like - as > long as it is recharged immediately. It just must not be left > discharged, otherwise it will be toast. Hi Richard, I think that perhaps you are drawing from marine experience. See, e.g. >>snip i.e. don't let your car battery go flat, most especially not regularly. -- Phil ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Kal To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels they started the same time as the digi dash in early '89 -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 13:54 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels That's interesting Alan I didn't think the forged alloys had RDK. In that case I guess the rolled wheel arches and RDK both started in 89, certainly for the GT, but for the S4 was it 89 or 90? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Baldwin To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with spacers and rolled arches. Alan 89GT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Angus I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? -with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Fox To: Iain Titterington Cc: 928uk org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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URL: From kal at funkychimp.com Tue Feb 3 14:42:13 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:42:13 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels In-Reply-To: <001d01c3ea61$a38c15e0$229987d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <002501c3ea63$ea2793b0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> there's bound to be some strays around the borderline but my 'F' reg (registered '88) has RDK and a digi dash so it must have been manufactured well before that obviously. kal -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 14:26 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels Kal I think the S4 didn't get digi dash and RDK until MY1990 - i.e.Sept 1989?? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Kal To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels they started the same time as the digi dash in early '89 -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 13:54 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels That's interesting Alan I didn't think the forged alloys had RDK. In that case I guess the rolled wheel arches and RDK both started in 89, certainly for the GT, but for the S4 was it 89 or 90? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Baldwin To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with spacers and rolled arches. Alan 89GT _____ Angus I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? -with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Fox To: Iain Titterington Cc: 928uk org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Tue Feb 3 15:13:48 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:13:48 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels References: <002501c3ea63$ea2793b0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> Message-ID: <000d01c3ea68$562576a0$869787d9@n7m9k7> MessageI think yours must have been one of the fist ones then Kal, most 88 cars I have seen don't have digi dash. Anyone else got digi dash on an 88 car? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Kal To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels there's bound to be some strays around the borderline but my 'F' reg (registered '88) has RDK and a digi dash so it must have been manufactured well before that obviously. kal -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 14:26 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels Kal I think the S4 didn't get digi dash and RDK until MY1990 - i.e.Sept 1989?? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Kal To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels they started the same time as the digi dash in early '89 -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 13:54 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels That's interesting Alan I didn't think the forged alloys had RDK. In that case I guess the rolled wheel arches and RDK both started in 89, certainly for the GT, but for the S4 was it 89 or 90? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Baldwin To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with spacers and rolled arches. Alan 89GT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Angus I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? -with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Fox To: Iain Titterington Cc: 928uk org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70200FE9F@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. 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Listed at 9gbp each - get most of my bits from them mail order. http://www.gsfcarparts.com/ Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Croeser, Gareth [mailto:Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie] Sent: 03 February 2004 16:38 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. 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Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70200FEA9@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Thanks Steve, I tried them first, but they don't do the early models... only '85 onwards. :o( I'd much rather get parts locally than get hit with duty, postage, etc, from the US.. Regards, Gareth _____ From: Steve Saunders [mailto:SSaunders at potato.org.uk] Sent: 03 February 2004 17:05 To: Croeser, Gareth; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Gareth, Try GSF car parts (London). Listed at 9gbp each - get most of my bits from them mail order. http://www.gsfcarparts.com/ Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Croeser, Gareth [mailto:Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie] Sent: 03 February 2004 16:38 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. 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Thanks Steve, I tried them first, but they don't do the early models... only '85 onwards. :o( I'd much rather get parts locally than get hit with duty, postage, etc, from the US.. Regards, Gareth _____ From: Steve Saunders [mailto:SSaunders at potato.org.uk] Sent: 03 February 2004 17:05 To: Croeser, Gareth; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Gareth, Try GSF car parts (London). Listed at 9gbp each - get most of my bits from them mail order. http://www.gsfcarparts.com/ Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Croeser, Gareth [mailto:Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie] Sent: 03 February 2004 16:38 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. 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Boot?Gareth I got mine from Berlyn Services if that is any help. Mine were for an S2, he seemed to know the differences so I presume he can get all types. Paul 86 S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Croeser, Gareth To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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URL: From richard at frontline-display.co.uk Tue Feb 3 18:20:03 2004 From: richard at frontline-display.co.uk (Richard Pearce) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:20:03 -0000 Subject: [928uk] owners cars pics on the site... Message-ID: <002501c3ea82$5836f2b0$2000000a@richard> ...see the pics filling up nicely on the site... 37 now !... looking good Gareth... Rich '87 Strosek From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Tue Feb 3 19:15:48 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:15:48 -0000 Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? In-Reply-To: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70200FE9F@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Message-ID: partwerks for C.V. Boot?Gareth if it is partwerks in Chicago ? do not touch them with a barge pole the US rennlisters have had loads and loads of problems with them. Regards Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Croeser, Gareth Sent: 03 February 2004 16:38 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ******************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 928cs at noos.fr Tue Feb 3 19:11:34 2004 From: 928cs at noos.fr (Samuel Fournis) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:11:34 +0100 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels References: <002501c3ea63$ea2793b0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> <000d01c3ea68$562576a0$869787d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <401FF266.9000300@noos.fr> Hello, The digi dash was introduced with the 1989 model year (August 1988 to July 1989- VIN with wp0zzz92zKs8...). The RDK was available from the 1989 model year but it seems that it wasn't standard for all countries. The 1994 and 1995 MY GTSs havent' the RDK. My car, from August 1988, has both digi dash and RDK. Regards, Samuel -- 928 S4 Club-Sport 1989 Taubenblau Rejoignez l'Amicale 928! Site de l'Amicale: http://www.amicale928.org From adrian928 at tesco.net Tue Feb 3 20:12:16 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:12:16 +0000 Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Message-ID: <20040203201216.LYFV6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> I bought some - they turned up today 3 months later! Also they are not quite the correct item, although would do the job. For the amount of hassle its easier to buy in the Uk Adrian > > From: "Croeser, Gareth" > Date: 2004/02/03 Tue PM 04:38:25 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? > > Hi there folks, > > I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above > the exhaust is a bit brittle. > > I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and > Adrian have had issues dealing with them... > > Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? > > Regards, > > G > > > > ******************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please > notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail > from your system. Thank you. > It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or > accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the > communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept > any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise > through the use of this medium. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept > for the presence of known computer viruses. > ******************************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.peach at virgin.net Tue Feb 3 20:24:38 2004 From: donald.peach at virgin.net (Donald Peach) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:24:38 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Jageng wood veneer Message-ID: <00b401c3ea93$c049a5d0$380cff3e@administlqfs68> Has anyone had any dealings with Jageng and the wood veneer finish for the centre console and steering wheel? I veneered the centre console of my first 944 and it lent a real air of refinement. However, it was very time consuming to do and I like the idea of fitting the kit Jageng supply to my 928. It is expensive and is supplied as a 'sticky backed' kit which makes me ultra cautious despite the good appearance seen in their website photos'. Have any of you fitted the kit yourselves? Regards, Don. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 928cs at noos.fr Tue Feb 3 20:49:22 2004 From: 928cs at noos.fr (Samuel Fournis) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:49:22 +0100 Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport question. In-Reply-To: <1C1D28FA-55D3-11D8-817C-0050E4C05D73@multizone.co.uk> References: <149.21571ba6.2d4e953a@aol.com> <24977286-558E-11D8-AE06-0050E4C05D73@multizone.co.uk> <401ED14C.6040305@noos.fr> <1C1D28FA-55D3-11D8-817C-0050E4C05D73@multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: <40200952.1070803@noos.fr> Very amazing ;-) http://www.928.org.uk/images/p8065.jpg Here is the famous CS side by side with Angus's SE. http://www.928.org.uk/images/p8066.jpg I'm on the right, the red guy that can't endure the english sun... The CS is on the left. http://www.928.org.uk/images/p8068.jpg The CS is on the right. Angus, can I use the two first ones for my web site, please? I will write this is from the 928uk web site. Regards, Samuel Angus Fox wrote: > That means it might not be the one I said in the pics. > > The pics are all still in the images directory.... I'll have a look > > Angus > =-= > On 2 Feb 2004, at 10:38 pm, Samuel Fournis wrote: > From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Tue Feb 3 20:59:40 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:59:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels References: <002501c3ea63$ea2793b0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> <000d01c3ea68$562576a0$869787d9@n7m9k7> <401FF266.9000300@noos.fr> Message-ID: <002701c3ea98$a5575b00$f1964c51@BRIERLEY> Thanks Samuel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Fournis" <928cs at noos.fr> To: "Andrew Brierley" Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels > Hello, > > The digi dash was introduced with the 1989 model year (August 1988 to > July 1989- VIN with wp0zzz92zKs8...). > The RDK was available from the 1989 model year but it seems that it > wasn't standard for all countries. > The 1994 and 1995 MY GTSs havent' the RDK. > > My car, from August 1988, has both digi dash and RDK. > > Regards, > Samuel > -- > 928 S4 Club-Sport 1989 Taubenblau > Rejoignez l'Amicale 928! > Site de l'Amicale: http://www.amicale928.org > > From dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Feb 3 21:48:17 2004 From: dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk (Steve & Dawn) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:48:17 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels In-Reply-To: <000d01c3ea68$562576a0$869787d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <000b01c3ea9f$725b1fa0$25a12952@steve8olbxz78h> Hi all, Mines an 88, but no digi dash, or RDK. Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 15:14 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I think yours must have been one of the fist ones then Kal, most 88 cars I have seen don't have digi dash. Anyone else got digi dash on an 88 car? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Kal To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels there's bound to be some strays around the borderline but my 'F' reg (registered '88) has RDK and a digi dash so it must have been manufactured well before that obviously. kal -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 14:26 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels Kal I think the S4 didn't get digi dash and RDK until MY1990 - i.e.Sept 1989?? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Kal To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels they started the same time as the digi dash in early '89 -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 03 February 2004 13:54 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels That's interesting Alan I didn't think the forged alloys had RDK. In that case I guess the rolled wheel arches and RDK both started in 89, certainly for the GT, but for the S4 was it 89 or 90? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Baldwin To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with spacers and rolled arches. Alan 89GT _____ Angus I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? -with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Fox To: Iain Titterington Cc: 928uk org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches already.... A -- On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. Thanks iain T 90 s4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, it was very time consuming to do and I like the idea of fitting the kit Jageng supply to my 928. It is expensive and is supplied as a 'sticky backed' kit which makes me ultra cautious despite the good appearance seen in their website photos'. Have any of you fitted the kit yourselves? Regards, Don. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Tue Feb 3 23:40:09 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:40:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Flat Battery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200402032340.i13NeAIT029265@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Walker, Scott wrote: > > Phil - note that it is not the process of discharging that causes problems, > it is the process of re-charging > [snip] > So provided you use a trickle car battery charger & don't exclusively use > your car battery in "golf cart mode" I still don't see a problem! OK, I take your point and, on reflection, Richard Armstrong's original one. Apologies. (We all agree that a flat car battery should be revived very slowly, which is not what happens when you get a jump start and drive off.) -- Phil Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail. From kev_hughes1 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 00:44:35 2004 From: kev_hughes1 at hotmail.com (Kev Hughes) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:44:35 +0000 Subject: [928uk] GT wheels Message-ID: mine is an early 88 - no digi or RDK My last one was a LATE 88 (F reg) - no digi or rdk either >From: "Steve & Dawn" >To: "'Andrew Brierley'" , <928uk at 928.org.uk> >Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:48:17 -0000 > >Hi all, >Mines an 88, but no digi dash, or RDK. > >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On >Behalf Of Andrew Brierley >Sent: 03 February 2004 15:14 >To: 928uk at 928.org.uk >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels > >I think yours must have been one of the fist ones then Kal, most 88 cars >I have seen don't have digi dash. Anyone else got digi dash on an 88 >car? > >Andrew >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kal >To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; >928uk at 928.org.uk >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:42 PM >Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels > >there's bound to be some strays around the borderline but my 'F' reg >(registered '88) has RDK and a digi dash so it must have been >manufactured well before that obviously. > >kal >-----Original Message----- >From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On >Behalf Of Andrew Brierley >Sent: 03 February 2004 14:26 >To: 928uk at 928.org.uk >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels >Kal > >I think the S4 didn't get digi dash and RDK until MY1990 - i.e.Sept >1989?? > >Andrew >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kal >To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; >928uk at 928.org.uk >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:00 PM >Subject: RE: [928uk] GT wheels > >they started the same time as the digi dash in early '89 >-----Original Message----- >From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On >Behalf Of Andrew Brierley >Sent: 03 February 2004 13:54 >To: 928uk at 928.org.uk >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels >That's interesting Alan I didn't think the forged alloys had RDK. >In that case I guess the rolled wheel arches and RDK both started in 89, >certainly for the GT, but for the S4 was it 89 or 90? > >Andrew >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alan Baldwin >To: 928uk at 928.org.uk >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 AM >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels > >If it helps, my 89GT has (working!) RDK and 16" forged alloys, with >spacers and rolled arches. > >Alan >89GT > > _____ > >Angus > >I think the RDK didn't start until MY 1990 so the design 90 wheels would >be the ones with the RDK - has the 89 GT got RDK?? If yes then I am >wrong. So they wouldn't have spacers, only the early GTs had spacers. >The wider track was achieved from 1990 onwards with a greater offset. I >also think the rolled wheel arches started around MY 1990, so any car >with RDK should have rolled wheel arches?? >-with 928s there seems to be exceptions to every rule!!! > >Andrew >----- Original Message ----- >From: Angus Fox >To: Iain Titterington >Cc: 928uk org >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:53 PM >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT wheels > >I *think* the wheels are identical on RDK equipped GTs and S4's. The >only thing is GT's had wider rear track, so if you put the spacers in >you might need to roll the arches if your S4 doesnt have rolled arches >already.... > >A >-- >On 2 Feb 2004, at 3:41 pm, Iain Titterington wrote: >Am i right in thinking that if I were to put on some GT wheels with >sensors fitted onto my S4 (that has working RDK) they should work with >no adjustment. I not sure how the sensors send info etc etc. > >Thanks > >iain T 90 s4 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk > > _____ > >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk > > _____ > >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Wed Feb 4 02:46:50 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:46:50 GMT Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Message-ID: Try Euro Car Parts. Smiffy (in NZ) From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Wed Feb 4 02:48:46 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:48:46 GMT Subject: [928uk] Flat Battery Message-ID: Theres more to it than that. Some chemical changes occur as the battery becomes discharged, which aren?t reversible in a car type battery. Smiffy From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie Wed Feb 4 09:22:41 2004 From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:22:41 -0000 Subject: [928uk] c.v. boots cont. Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70200FEDF@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Guys, thanks for all your response.. does anyone know if the boot kit for an 1983 model will fit the 1980? I seem to have it in my head there was a change in 1981... but I have an offer of an 83 kit, locally.. 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Gareth if it is partwerks in Chicago ? do not touch them with a barge pole the US rennlisters have had loads and loads of problems with them. Regards Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Croeser, Gareth Sent: 03 February 2004 16:38 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Gareth if it is partwerks in Chicago ? do not touch them with a barge pole the US rennlisters have had loads and loads of problems with them. Regards Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Croeser, Gareth Sent: 03 February 2004 16:38 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] partwerks for C.V. Boot? Hi there folks, I am looking at replacing one of the c.v. boots on the S, as the one above the exhaust is a bit brittle. I see partwerks have them on ebay for $15.95... I also see that Jon J and Adrian have had issues dealing with them... Will I risk it, or pay the extra $$$$$ it'll cost to get them from 928intl? Regards, G ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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They have an interior I am interested in but await digi-photos, any info gratefully received, Regards, Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:51:58 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:51:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS References: <006c01c3eb2a$c971d460$7d20893e@CARLTONCOURT> Message-ID: <003501c3eb47$9a7c2b20$5117d2d5@ThinkPad> Loebank Motors are A1OK. One of the very best 928 specialists in the UK, they really know the cars well. Run by Chris Sanderson who also owns a nice 928GT. Honest, very knowledgeable, helpful 928 good-guy. I have not heard one bad thing & I have heard masses of good things. If I was nearer I would not hesitate to use him & for some special work was needed I would still travel the distance to use him. You should be completely confident they are A1OK. Regards Simon Watson 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS Any one live near them in Edenfield, Bury Lancs?? Any one had any dealings with them?? They have an interior I am interested in but await digi-photos, any info gratefully received, Regards, Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From email at jbreckeen.org Wed Feb 4 18:21:00 2004 From: email at jbreckeen.org (Joshua Breckeen) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:21:00 -0000 Subject: [928uk] spotted & Banged In-Reply-To: <4020EFEF.6EB@clara.net> Message-ID: Umm, I am pretty sure that must have been me. Glad I was able to stop on them icy roads and not plough into you. Thanks for the kudos about the car. It looked much better then than it does now: SOME STUPID, UNINSURED, MINICAB DRIVER WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION AND PUT HIS FRONT BUMPER AND TURN SIGNAL THROUGH MY REAR BUMPER COVER!!!!!!!!! After pulling over to the side of the road, he gave me his insurance certificate, and all looked kosher. As I was in a hurry (and it was a minor "fender bender"), I did not call the police. BIG MISTAKE! Today I received a call from my insurance company to tell me he probably didn't have insurance. So now I am off to the Police station near where the incident took place (Holloway Road), and get them on the case. I am starting to think this car is an idiot magnet! In November last year, an old codger ploughed into my neighbour's car while parked, which then in turn hit my other neighbour's car, which in turn hit my car!! Only superficial damage, and I wasn't too unhappy about getting a new front bumper cover and new paint. But this is too much!!! Sorry, for the rant . . . Joshua Breckeen email at jbreckeen.org 91 928GT Polar Silver Metallic Whitwell, Hertfordshire (Near Knebworth) From mcclean20 at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 4 18:34:32 2004 From: mcclean20 at ntlworld.com (Rmac) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:34:32 -0000 Subject: [928uk] spotted & Banged In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006001c3eb4d$8e68d530$6401a8c0@WHITNEY> Hard luck old chap, but contacting the police is a waste of your time, they don't care about such incidents...no money in it for them. Mac -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Joshua Breckeen Sent: 04 February 2004 18:21 To: 928uk Mailing List; western at clara.net Subject: RE: [928uk] spotted & Banged Umm, I am pretty sure that must have been me. Glad I was able to stop on them icy roads and not plough into you. Thanks for the kudos about the car. It looked much better then than it does now: SOME STUPID, UNINSURED, MINICAB DRIVER WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION AND PUT HIS FRONT BUMPER AND TURN SIGNAL THROUGH MY REAR BUMPER COVER!!!!!!!!! After pulling over to the side of the road, he gave me his insurance certificate, and all looked kosher. As I was in a hurry (and it was a minor "fender bender"), I did not call the police. BIG MISTAKE! Today I received a call from my insurance company to tell me he probably didn't have insurance. So now I am off to the Police station near where the incident took place (Holloway Road), and get them on the case. I am starting to think this car is an idiot magnet! In November last year, an old codger ploughed into my neighbour's car while parked, which then in turn hit my other neighbour's car, which in turn hit my car!! Only superficial damage, and I wasn't too unhappy about getting a new front bumper cover and new paint. But this is too much!!! Sorry, for the rant . . . Joshua Breckeen email at jbreckeen.org 91 928GT Polar Silver Metallic Whitwell, Hertfordshire (Near Knebworth) _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From leesugden at btopenworld.com Wed Feb 4 18:48:23 2004 From: leesugden at btopenworld.com (Lee Sugden) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:48:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS References: <006c01c3eb2a$c971d460$7d20893e@CARLTONCOURT> <003501c3eb47$9a7c2b20$5117d2d5@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <008901c3eb4f$79f4b590$49908051@LJS> Last time I spoke to Chris he wasputting the White GT on themarket in favour of a Cayenne !!!! Top chap though - be assured he is one ofthe best. ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Watson To: WILLIAM ROBERTSON ; 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS Loebank Motors are A1OK. One of the very best 928 specialists in the UK, they really know the cars well. Run by Chris Sanderson who also owns a nice 928GT. Honest, very knowledgeable, helpful 928 good-guy. I have not heard one bad thing & I have heard masses of good things. If I was nearer I would not hesitate to use him & for some special work was needed I would still travel the distance to use him. You should be completely confident they are A1OK. Regards Simon Watson 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS Any one live near them in Edenfield, Bury Lancs?? Any one had any dealings with them?? They have an interior I am interested in but await digi-photos, any info gratefully received, Regards, Bill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Wed Feb 4 18:50:40 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:50:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] spotted & Banged References: Message-ID: <001c01c3eb4f$c9ba4f40$2017d2d5@ThinkPad> Very sorry to hear this joshua. I should get an estimate &go round to his address & demand he pay or you report him to the authorities for no insurance etc & take whatever cash you can off him. Ask Big Mac to go round with you, just looking at that huge guy in his big leather coat will make them want to pay you. Good luck. simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Breckeen" To: "928uk Mailing List" <928uk at 928.org.uk>; Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] spotted & Banged > > > Umm, I am pretty sure that must have been me. Glad I was able to stop on > them icy roads and not plough into you. > > Thanks for the kudos about the car. It looked much better then than it does > now: > > SOME STUPID, UNINSURED, MINICAB DRIVER WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION AND PUT HIS > FRONT BUMPER AND TURN SIGNAL THROUGH MY REAR BUMPER COVER!!!!!!!!! > > After pulling over to the side of the road, he gave me his insurance > certificate, and all looked kosher. As I was in a hurry (and it was a minor > "fender bender"), I did not call the police. BIG MISTAKE! Today I received > a call from my insurance company to tell me he probably didn't have > insurance. So now I am off to the Police station near where the incident > took place (Holloway Road), and get them on the case. > > > I am starting to think this car is an idiot magnet! In November last year, > an old codger ploughed into my neighbour's car while parked, which then in > turn hit my other neighbour's car, which in turn hit my car!! Only > superficial damage, and I wasn't too unhappy about getting a new front > bumper cover and new paint. But this is too much!!! > > Sorry, for the rant . . . > > > Joshua Breckeen > email at jbreckeen.org > > 91 928GT Polar Silver Metallic > > Whitwell, Hertfordshire (Near Knebworth) > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 4 21:40:13 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:40:13 -0000 Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS References: <006c01c3eb2a$c971d460$7d20893e@CARLTONCOURT> <003501c3eb47$9a7c2b20$5117d2d5@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <002d01c3eb67$7a10dc30$bf1b893e@CARLTONCOURT> To Andrew, Lee and Simon thanks for your fast replies re Loe Bank. Amazingly Gareth Norwood is going there this Friday and has offered to check the interior on my behalf. As I said to Gareth this is an amazing group of enthusiasts. Thanks again ,Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Watson To: WILLIAM ROBERTSON ; 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS Loebank Motors are A1OK. One of the very best 928 specialists in the UK, they really know the cars well. Run by Chris Sanderson who also owns a nice 928GT. Honest, very knowledgeable, helpful 928 good-guy. I have not heard one bad thing & I have heard masses of good things. If I was nearer I would not hesitate to use him & for some special work was needed I would still travel the distance to use him. You should be completely confident they are A1OK. Regards Simon Watson 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS Any one live near them in Edenfield, Bury Lancs?? Any one had any dealings with them?? They have an interior I am interested in but await digi-photos, any info gratefully received, Regards, Bill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Feb 4 22:10:00 2004 From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:10:00 -0000 Subject: [928uk] S2 Wheels Message-ID: <002d01c3eb6b$a21acfc0$399c2052@n5k9y6> Hi Can anyone tell me the standard offset for S2 wheels. MY86 if it makes any differance. Thanks Paul 86 S2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Wed Feb 4 22:44:48 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:44:48 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] S2 Wheels In-Reply-To: <002d01c3eb6b$a21acfc0$399c2052@n5k9y6> Message-ID: <200402042244.i14MimTd002557@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Paul Thorn wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the standard offset for S2 wheels. > MY86 if it makes any differance. Front and rear were the same: 1980-1986 928S, 7-Slot Forged, 7"x16", 225/50VR16, offset +65.0 mm. Factory option M415 was for 21 mm spacers on the rear. So, with spacers, the effective rear offset was 44.0 mm (on a 7" wide wheel). -- Phil Timing has an awful lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance. From western at clara.net Wed Feb 4 23:14:47 2004 From: western at clara.net (rory stewart) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:14:47 +0000 Subject: [928uk] spotted & Banged Message-ID: <40217CE7.5E93@clara.net> Sorry to hear that some idiot mini cab damaged your 928. Hope you get some money off the fool. Anyway hope to see your car again in Hitchin. I might even be in mine (normmaly only comes out the garage on fine days) Rory Stewart 928S2 From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Feb 4 23:10:26 2004 From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:10:26 +0000 Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS In-Reply-To: <006c01c3eb2a$c971d460$7d20893e@CARLTONCOURT> References: <006c01c3eb2a$c971d460$7d20893e@CARLTONCOURT> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:25:47 -0000, you wrote: >Any one live near them in Edenfield, Bury Lancs?? Any one had any dealings with them?? They have an interior I am interested in but await digi-photos, any info gratefully received, Regards, Bill. Hi Bill, it's already been said. I'd have to agree 100% with the comments already posted. He's got my car at the moment. I'm hoping to pick it up on Saturday providing it's ready. It sounds like you're already sorted but I can check the interior when I go if you like. I have a good digi-cam too if required. John From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Thu Feb 5 00:03:51 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:03:51 GMT Subject: [928uk] c.v. boots cont. Message-ID: I've got a feeling that the only difference is a groove in one type that's not on the other, so if you get the boots meant for a grooved CV, then they are harder to stretch over the ungrooved CV. Smiffy From mcclean20 at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 5 00:22:07 2004 From: mcclean20 at ntlworld.com (Rmac) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:22:07 -0000 Subject: [928uk] spotted & Banged In-Reply-To: <001c01c3eb4f$c9ba4f40$2017d2d5@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <009101c3eb7e$173e6e80$6401a8c0@WHITNEY> *Smiles* Well that would be fine with me but you will find that the car is not insured, not registered to the current owner and the name and address given is false. Always carry a camera at least that way you can identify him to the police...if they can be bothered. Mac -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Watson Sent: 04 February 2004 18:51 To: Joshua Breckeen; 928uk Mailing List; western at clara.net Subject: Re: [928uk] spotted & Banged Very sorry to hear this joshua. I should get an estimate &go round to his address & demand he pay or you report him to the authorities for no insurance etc & take whatever cash you can off him. Ask Big Mac to go round with you, just looking at that huge guy in his big leather coat will make them want to pay you. Good luck. simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Breckeen" To: "928uk Mailing List" <928uk at 928.org.uk>; Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] spotted & Banged > > > Umm, I am pretty sure that must have been me. Glad I was able to stop on > them icy roads and not plough into you. > > Thanks for the kudos about the car. It looked much better then than it does > now: > > SOME STUPID, UNINSURED, MINICAB DRIVER WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION AND PUT HIS > FRONT BUMPER AND TURN SIGNAL THROUGH MY REAR BUMPER COVER!!!!!!!!! > > After pulling over to the side of the road, he gave me his insurance > certificate, and all looked kosher. As I was in a hurry (and it was a minor > "fender bender"), I did not call the police. BIG MISTAKE! Today I received > a call from my insurance company to tell me he probably didn't have > insurance. So now I am off to the Police station near where the incident > took place (Holloway Road), and get them on the case. > > > I am starting to think this car is an idiot magnet! In November last year, > an old codger ploughed into my neighbour's car while parked, which then in > turn hit my other neighbour's car, which in turn hit my car!! Only > superficial damage, and I wasn't too unhappy about getting a new front > bumper cover and new paint. But this is too much!!! > > Sorry, for the rant . . . > > > Joshua Breckeen > email at jbreckeen.org > > 91 928GT Polar Silver Metallic > > Whitwell, Hertfordshire (Near Knebworth) > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Feb 5 12:59:34 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:59:34 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Rolling Road "Shoot-out" - Final Reminder! Message-ID: Hi All - This is a final reminder to anyone interested in participating (or spectating) in the 928 rolling road event. It is the day-after-tomorrow (Sat 7th)! Details below and on the 928uk homepage. 10 cars will be 'running up' on the rollers, but there is still space for more - so its not too late to join! Lunch and chat afterward at a local pub (Bugle Horn). And its forecast to be sunny! Looking forward to a full-throttle V8 frenzy! Scott '91 GT (midnight blue) -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Scott The 928 rolling road shoot out is shaping up nicely for this coming Saturday (7th) with a good spread of cars due to attend: a couple of S's, an S2, an S4, 4xGT's & a GTS! There is still space for more, so let me know if you fancy coming along (you can even bring another motor if your 928 is sick/you haven't got one yet!). Alternatively, you can just turn up 'ad-hoc' on the day to put your car to the test, or just watch the others! As a reminder, the location is Aylesbury, Bucks at G-Force Motorsport (www.g-force-motorsport.co.uk), postcode HP19 8TE. Cost is 50GBP (incl. VAT) per car. Participants need to arrive for 9am Sat morning for the briefing. First car on the rollers about 9.30am. See the 928UK homepage for more details (www.928.org.uk) & dyno piccies! Depending on the number of cars, we should be finished around 1pm. Then we will head to: The Bugle Horn pub (Oxford Rd., Hartwell, Aylesbury, HP17 8QP) - for lunch, drink & full discussion on those power/torque print-outs! Looking forward to seeing in excess of 2500 bhp-worth of Porsche V8's under test!! P.S. Don't forget your cameras/camcorders/sound recorders! P.P.S. See G-Force's FAQ (http://www.g-force-motorsport.co.uk/dyno/rolling%20road%20detail%201.htm) to make sure you/your car is ready! ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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As I left it in the car park I had to turn back to admire its looks. Whilst off the road I have replaced and rerouted some of the vacuum lines that were wrong. But one line still puzzles me. There are two lines that go from the engine bay down to the torque tube. One is black and comes off the 4 way engine vacuum I presume this goes to the auto box. The other is a yellow line that goes down to the torque tube and then changes to a white line under the car, I don't know where it goes then. It comes of the servo via a one way valve and a 3 way adapter. Any ideas David Pickles ________________________________________________________________________ The information in this email (and any attachment) may be for the intended recipient only. If you know you are not the intended recipient, please do not use or disclose the information in any way and please delete this email (and any attachment) from your system. Service of legal documents is not accepted by email ________________________________________________________________________ From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie Thu Feb 5 14:54:40 2004 From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:54:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] c.v. boots cont. Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F7020100C6@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Thanks for the info guys, Bert Gear has sorted me out with the necessary for my 1980. Cheers, Gareth -----Original Message----- From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk] Sent: 05 February 2004 00:04 To: Croeser, Gareth; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] c.v. boots cont. I've got a feeling that the only difference is a groove in one type that's not on the other, so if you get the boots meant for a grooved CV, then they are harder to stretch over the ungrooved CV. 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Joshua Breckeen email at jbreckeen.org Hertfordshire, U.K. 91 GT Polar Silver Metallic From email at jbreckeen.org Thu Feb 5 15:20:37 2004 From: email at jbreckeen.org (Joshua Breckeen) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:20:37 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear Hatch Motor Rewire Message-ID: Hello again. . . . When I first bought my 91 GT, I had my local car audio/alarm shop gut the useless dealer alarm, and install a new CAT 1 to try to keep my insurance reasonable. Went in very nicely, with the remote window/sunroof even working. My one problem, was that the system that was installed has the ability to open the rear hatch via the key fob. It does work, but only when the doors are open. A bit boring. After studying the wiring diagrams, I noticed that the ground for the rear hatch motor runs to the door contacts, thus a "safety" loop. But if I were to drop a ground from the motor strait to a ground point, and disconnect it from the door contact circuit, it should in theory be able to be opened at anytime. As far a security is concerned, pulling the hatch release would still set off the alarm so I feel ok about it. Does this look feasible to you guys, any input is appreciated!! Thank all . . . . Joshua Breckeen email at jbreckeen.org United Kingdom 91 GT Polar Silver Metallic From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Thu Feb 5 16:49:06 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:49:06 -0000 Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS References: <006c01c3eb2a$c971d460$7d20893e@CARLTONCOURT> <003501c3eb47$9a7c2b20$5117d2d5@ThinkPad> <002d01c3eb67$7a10dc30$bf1b893e@CARLTONCOURT> Message-ID: <001001c3ec07$f8702090$a34526d4@ThinkPad> Thanks Bill. Let's hope the interior is what you want. All the best Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: Simon Watson ; 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS To Andrew, Lee and Simon thanks for your fast replies re Loe Bank. Amazingly Gareth Norwood is going there this Friday and has offered to check the interior on my behalf. As I said to Gareth this is an amazing group of enthusiasts. Thanks again ,Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Watson To: WILLIAM ROBERTSON ; 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS Loebank Motors are A1OK. One of the very best 928 specialists in the UK, they really know the cars well. Run by Chris Sanderson who also owns a nice 928GT. Honest, very knowledgeable, helpful 928 good-guy. I have not heard one bad thing & I have heard masses of good things. If I was nearer I would not hesitate to use him & for some special work was needed I would still travel the distance to use him. You should be completely confident they are A1OK. Regards Simon Watson 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: 928UK List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [928uk] LOE BANK MOTORS Any one live near them in Edenfield, Bury Lancs?? Any one had any dealings with them?? They have an interior I am interested in but await digi-photos, any info gratefully received, Regards, Bill. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Thu Feb 5 16:51:56 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:51:56 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Big Smile References: Message-ID: <002d01c3ec08$5da19570$a34526d4@ThinkPad> Great post, been there, done that, couldn't agree with you more! Re vacuum lines, I don't have a clue! All the best Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [928uk] Big Smile > I have just got my S4 back on the road after a lay up of a couple of months > for cam belt, water pump, cam chains new belts, hoses etc plus fixing > heater and other things. All I can say is I smiled all the way to work. > These cars are a pleasure to own and drive. It makes all the maintenance > worthwhile. As I left it in the car park I had to turn back to admire its > looks. > Whilst off the road I have replaced and rerouted some of the vacuum lines > that were wrong. But one line still puzzles me. There are two lines that go > from the engine bay down to the torque tube. One is black and comes off the > 4 way engine vacuum I presume this goes to the auto box. The other is a > yellow line that goes down to the torque tube and then changes to a white > line under the car, I don't know where it goes then. It comes of the servo > via a one way valve and a 3 way adapter. Any ideas > > > David Pickles > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > The information in this email (and any attachment) may be for the > intended recipient only. If you know you are not the intended recipient, > please do not use or disclose the information in any way and please > delete this email (and any attachment) from your system. > > Service of legal documents is not accepted by email > ________________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Thu Feb 5 18:54:28 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:54:28 EST Subject: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions Message-ID: In a message dated 05/02/04 15:24:57 GMT Standard Time, email at jbreckeen.org writes: > I am putting together the list of parts now, and am having a bit of trouble > finding the sizes of the damper plates are needed. The PET list about > 1,000,000 different sizes for my year. But as far as I can discern, I need > as follows: > > Front (each): 2 X 44mm &2 X 36mm > > Rear (each): 2 X 30mm &2 X 28mm > > > Are these numbers correct? > > And I can only guess that the calipers have different inside and outside > piston diameters?! > Hi Your sizes are correct. It is the inside diameter of the piston that is important, and this is where the dampers are located. But yes, the inside dia.increased in step with the outside diameter (effective piston area) John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Feb 5 22:35:59 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:35:59 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joshua Don't rush to buy the damper plates - I have this vague memory that the EBC pads say not to use them (because they won't fit) I can't be certain without removing some pads to check ! If you are trying to cure brake squeal as well as change pads it is most likely that the stainless spring plates above and below the pad are being forced away from the caliper by the aluminium underneath corrodoing. The only solution is to remove spring plates and remove the corrosion and then reapint the caliper to prevent more corrosion. My EBC Greens work great. Jon Black SE > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Joshua Breckeen > Sent: 05 February 2004 15:21 > To: 928uk Mailing List; RENNLIST 928 > Subject: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions > > > Hey all . . . > > > This spring (first good weather day), I will undergo a pad change on all > four corners of my '91 GT. After hearing the good reviews, I will be > purchasing EBC "Green's". > > I am putting together the list of parts now, and am having a bit > of trouble > finding the sizes of the damper plates are needed. The PET list about > 1,000,000 different sizes for my year. But as far as I can > discern, I need > as follows: > > Front (each): 2 X 44mm & 2 X 36mm > > Rear (each): 2 X 30mm & 2 X 28mm > > > Are these numbers correct? > > And I can only guess that the calipers have different inside and outside > piston diameters?! > > I have already printed out every brake tech procedure I can find, > and thank > all of you who have complied these procedures!! > > > Joshua Breckeen > email at jbreckeen.org > > Hertfordshire, U.K. > > 91 GT Polar Silver Metallic > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From adrian928 at tesco.net Thu Feb 5 22:41:41 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:41:41 +0000 Subject: [928uk] LHD GTS centre consule Message-ID: <20040205224141.JRUD6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> If anyone is interested I have a LHD GTS leather centre consule (surrounds stereo & gearlever) that is surplus to my requirements. Costs hundreds new, but I'll take 30 gbp. Email me off line if interested Regards Adrian From alan_b at mac.com Thu Feb 5 22:55:57 2004 From: alan_b at mac.com (Alan Baldwin) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:55:57 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75801683-582E-11D8-A059-0030657EDC92@mac.com> I fitted EBC greens with damper plates to GT calipers for Angus with EBCs. No issues with fitting them. They did fit. Alan 89GT On 5 Feb 2004, at 22:35, Jon Holdsworth wrote: > Joshua > > Don't rush to buy the damper plates - I have this vague memory that > the EBC > pads say not to use them (because they won't fit) I can't be certain > without > removing some pads to check ! > > If you are trying to cure brake squeal as well as change pads it is > most > likely that the stainless spring plates above and below the pad are > being > forced away from the caliper by the aluminium underneath corrodoing. > The > only solution is to remove spring plates and remove the corrosion and > then > reapint the caliper to prevent more corrosion. > > My EBC Greens work great. > > Jon > Black SE > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On >> Behalf Of Joshua Breckeen >> Sent: 05 February 2004 15:21 >> To: 928uk Mailing List; RENNLIST 928 >> Subject: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions >> >> >> Hey all . . . >> >> >> This spring (first good weather day), I will undergo a pad change on >> all >> four corners of my '91 GT. After hearing the good reviews, I will be >> purchasing EBC "Green's". >> >> I am putting together the list of parts now, and am having a bit >> of trouble >> finding the sizes of the damper plates are needed. The PET list about >> 1,000,000 different sizes for my year. But as far as I can >> discern, I need >> as follows: >> >> Front (each): 2 X 44mm & 2 X 36mm >> >> Rear (each): 2 X 30mm & 2 X 28mm >> >> >> Are these numbers correct? >> >> And I can only guess that the calipers have different inside and >> outside >> piston diameters?! >> >> I have already printed out every brake tech procedure I can find, >> and thank >> all of you who have complied these procedures!! >> >> >> Joshua Breckeen >> email at jbreckeen.org >> >> Hertfordshire, U.K. >> >> 91 GT Polar Silver Metallic >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 928uk mailing list >> 928uk at 928.org.uk >> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >> 928.org.uk >> > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From marton at befree.ch Fri Feb 6 00:00:02 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton hasenberg) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:00:02 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions References: <75801683-582E-11D8-A059-0030657EDC92@mac.com> Message-ID: <008701c3ec44$2ba264a0$567ba73e@marton> Hi Jon, What is - "reapint the caliper"? Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Baldwin" To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions > I fitted EBC greens with damper plates to GT calipers for Angus with > EBCs. No issues with fitting them. They did fit. > > Alan > 89GT > From George.Layton at ukgateway.net Fri Feb 6 01:30:51 2004 From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:30:51 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: [928] Rear Hatch Motor Rewire References: Message-ID: <00c701c3ec53$3d8b83e0$57062850@oemcomputer> High Joshua. I had a Clifford alarm installed in my GTS a few years ago and had the same situation. I have changed the wiring for the rear hatch but have included a rocker switch (down by the handbrake) so I can select "original" or "modified" operation of the rear hatch. E-mail me direct if you want details. George. 1995 GTS Auto Hertfordshire England ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Breckeen To: 928 Sent: 05 February 2004 15:20 Subject: [928] Rear Hatch Motor Rewire Hello again. . . . When I first bought my 91 GT, I had my local car audio/alarm shop gut the useless dealer alarm, and install a new CAT 1 to try to keep my insurance reasonable. Went in very nicely, with the remote window/sunroof even working. My one problem, was that the system that was installed has the ability to open the rear hatch via the key fob. It does work, but only when the doors are open. A bit boring. After studying the wiring diagrams, I noticed that the ground for the rear hatch motor runs to the door contacts, thus a "safety" loop. But if I were to drop a ground from the motor strait to a ground point, and disconnect it from the door contact circuit, it should in theory be able to be opened at anytime. As far a security is concerned, pulling the hatch release would still set off the alarm so I feel ok about it. Does this look feasible to you guys, any input is appreciated!! Thank all . . . . Joshua Breckeen email at jbreckeen.org United Kingdom 91 GT Polar Silver Metallic +++ The 928 list is proudly sponsored by the 928 Specialists - Your best source for 928 parts. http://www.928gt.com/ or (828) 766-9280.. Please support Rennlist sponsors - they support us! --- You are currently subscribed to 928 as: George.Layton at ukgateway.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-928-22603J at rennlist.org From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Fri Feb 6 08:09:06 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:09:06 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions In-Reply-To: <008701c3ec44$2ba264a0$567ba73e@marton> Message-ID: Hi Marton dyslexic fingers ! repaint Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of marton hasenberg > Sent: 06 February 2004 00:00 > To: Alan Baldwin; 928 list > Subject: Re: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions > > > Hi Jon, > > What is - "reapint the caliper"? > > Marton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Baldwin" > To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [928uk] Brake Damper Plate Questions > > > > I fitted EBC greens with damper plates to GT calipers for Angus with > > EBCs. No issues with fitting them. They did fit. > > > > Alan > > 89GT > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From hans.shark928 at virgin.net Fri Feb 6 10:10:42 2004 From: hans.shark928 at virgin.net (Hans928) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:10:42 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Scare ! Message-ID: <015301c3ec99$7a58d7a0$bc510352@w8s0p7> Having had a successful run last Sunday, in the new one, to meet a few semi - local fellow 928'ers, I decided to take the car to work - unusual because I normally go by motorbike. Leaving the motorway, the car stalled at the traffic lights on the exit slip - oh bloody hell, what is it now ? Car just back from Paul A., clean bill of health, blah blah blah. Limped the car in the remaining 200 yards, running rough as buggery. Really lumpy, maybe only on 5 / 6 cylinders ! Decided to leave it to cool down - 2 hours later, still the same problem. Phone call to PA - advice given - bits checked, still no joy. Tried starting car up again - nothing at all now. Almost like no fuel - ( half tank on gauge ) Checked trip meter - decided that I must be doing about 40 to the gallon - so bunged a can full in - instant smooth running. Check the obvious is the motto - gauge / sender knackered - something else for the eternal list ! Happy motoring !! Hans. 91 S4 ( full tank ) 87 S4 ( gauge in fine fettle ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From englishman.inwales at virgin.net Fri Feb 6 11:53:50 2004 From: englishman.inwales at virgin.net (Justin) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:53:50 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Scare ! References: <015301c3ec99$7a58d7a0$bc510352@w8s0p7> Message-ID: <001401c3eca7$e2c65c50$dc00900a@npt.private.ntli.net> Why can't all engine problems be resolved with a can of fuel....if only! ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans928 To: 928 UK ; gb Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: [928uk] Scare ! Having had a successful run last Sunday, in the new one, to meet a few semi - local fellow 928'ers, I decided to take the car to work - unusual because I normally go by motorbike. Leaving the motorway, the car stalled at the traffic lights on the exit slip - oh bloody hell, what is it now ? Car just back from Paul A., clean bill of health, blah blah blah. Limped the car in the remaining 200 yards, running rough as buggery. Really lumpy, maybe only on 5 / 6 cylinders ! Decided to leave it to cool down - 2 hours later, still the same problem. Phone call to PA - advice given - bits checked, still no joy. Tried starting car up again - nothing at all now. Almost like no fuel - ( half tank on gauge ) Checked trip meter - decided that I must be doing about 40 to the gallon - so bunged a can full in - instant smooth running. Check the obvious is the motto - gauge / sender knackered - something else for the eternal list ! Happy motoring !! Hans. 91 S4 ( full tank ) 87 S4 ( gauge in fine fettle ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at dawe.com Fri Feb 6 15:26:29 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:26:29 -0000 Subject: [928uk] draft questionnaire;phone me if you have a problem G Message-ID: draft attached -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike (T reg) From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Fri Feb 6 19:31:28 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:31:28 -0000 Subject: [928uk] draft questionnaire;phone me if you have a problem G In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Didn't seem that off 928 topic to me - change a few words here and there and you have a poll regarding future 928 meets - change a few others and you have a poll about technical meetings for the Institution of (insert your own professional body here). Mothers union ? boys brigade ? sailng club ? ........ Next time you should write your secret polls in Welsh ! Regards Jon Black SE PS with todays crop of viruses I did think Oh f$%* why did I open that. > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Mike Dawe > Sent: 06 February 2004 15:26 > To: rhanbarth at cymuned-ceredigion; list > Subject: [928uk] draft questionnaire;phone me if you have a problem G > > > draft attached From jimkime at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Feb 6 20:39:47 2004 From: jimkime at blueyonder.co.uk (Jimkime) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:39:47 -0000 Subject: [928uk] cock-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is no IT answer to human error!! Therefore the answer is, do not send email in error!!!!! I am sure apologies will be accepted. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Dawe Sent: 06 February 2004 18:22 To: list Subject: [928uk] cock-up dear all,suspect that an item of domestic political nature has gone out to you in error! My apologies,it has been returned as not deliverable at an address xxx @cymuned-ceredigion.org BUT somehow it has taken a wrong turn and bothered the list...... Angus as this was personal I do not wish it to happen again! have you any thoughts on the subject? It could happen with someone's business matters. Mike (T reg) _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From owen928_4 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 6 22:35:44 2004 From: owen928_4 at hotmail.com (OWEN GUPPY) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:35:44 +0000 Subject: [928uk] cock-up Message-ID: Mike Can you send it to the group again? I think I missed it. Owen _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From titters at btinternet.com Fri Feb 6 23:48:52 2004 From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:48:52 -0000 Subject: [928uk] new wheels Message-ID: <002c01c3ed0b$c686c4d0$647c8451@weasel> So I've just got some GT wheels that have the RDK sensors in them, not too kerbed and with plenty of tread, almost brand new. - Anything to be aware of if I do a straight swap with the standard s4 wheels? I would like the rdk to work - do i have to worry about the pickup sensor being wrongly aligned as my wheels now with be different widths to the original s4 flats Cheers Iain 90s$. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From englishman.inwales at virgin.net Sat Feb 7 08:53:02 2004 From: englishman.inwales at virgin.net (Justin) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:53:02 -0000 Subject: [928uk] cock-up References: Message-ID: <001d01c3ed57$cb5e2bf0$dc00900a@npt.private.ntli.net> Mike, you sent the email to: To: , "list" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Looks like you sent the "confidential" email to the whole UK group too by mistake! It would have been bounced back to you from the rhanbarth at cymuned-ceredigion email address as that was incorrect(you'd need a .com or .co.uk etc extension on the end of it) The email was not bounced back to the 928 group, you actually sent it to us. I think you owe Angus an apology. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimkime To: ; 'list' <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] cock-up > There is no IT answer to human error!! > > Therefore the answer is, do not send email in error!!!!! I am sure > apologies will be accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On > Behalf Of Mike Dawe > Sent: 06 February 2004 18:22 > To: list > Subject: [928uk] cock-up > > dear all,suspect that an item of domestic political nature has gone out > to > you in error! My apologies,it has been returned as not deliverable at an > address xxx @cymuned-ceredigion.org BUT somehow it has taken a wrong > turn > and bothered the list...... > Angus as this was personal I do not wish it to happen again! have you > any > thoughts on the subject? It could happen with someone's business > matters. > Mike (T reg) > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From englishman.inwales at virgin.net Sat Feb 7 08:53:02 2004 From: englishman.inwales at virgin.net (Justin) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:53:02 -0000 Subject: [928uk] cock-up References: Message-ID: <002401c3ed57$dcfa1360$dc00900a@npt.private.ntli.net> Mike, you sent the email to: To: , "list" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Looks like you sent the "confidential" email to the whole UK group too by mistake! It would have been bounced back to you from the rhanbarth at cymuned-ceredigion email address as that was incorrect(you'd need a .com or .co.uk etc extension on the end of it) The email was not bounced back to the 928 group, you actually sent it to us. I think you owe Angus an apology. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimkime To: ; 'list' <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] cock-up > There is no IT answer to human error!! > > Therefore the answer is, do not send email in error!!!!! I am sure > apologies will be accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On > Behalf Of Mike Dawe > Sent: 06 February 2004 18:22 > To: list > Subject: [928uk] cock-up > > dear all,suspect that an item of domestic political nature has gone out > to > you in error! My apologies,it has been returned as not deliverable at an > address xxx @cymuned-ceredigion.org BUT somehow it has taken a wrong > turn > and bothered the list...... > Angus as this was personal I do not wish it to happen again! have you > any > thoughts on the subject? It could happen with someone's business > matters. > Mike (T reg) > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk Sat Feb 7 14:23:48 2004 From: andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk (andy smith) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:23:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [928uk] electrical gremlin Message-ID: <15427893.1076163828534.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> Hi Guys, car is 928 GTS my 1994. With ignition on and engine off all electrics operate normally. When engine is switched on the headlights, wipers and heated rear screen stop working. With engine switched off everything works again. I have checked all the connections on the battery and all OK. It seems that the alternator or some other function is swithing off the power to these circuits.Would appreciate any inputs you have. regards Andy Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save ?7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c_valchez at hotmail.com Sat Feb 7 14:45:01 2004 From: c_valchez at hotmail.com (Chris Valentine) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:45:01 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Loebank Motors Message-ID: I've only had my 88 S4 for a couple of weks and yesterday put about 3 litres of oil in as the dip stick showed it was well below the line. When I started the car blue smoke poured out of the exhaust and the engine mis-fired for a minute or two. The mis-fire has now gone but the smoke is still there on start-up and heavy acceleration. There is also a slight damp patch directly under the engine which I think is oil. I don't know too much about these cars but any suggestions would be appreciated. People have been saying good things about Loebank Motors so I dropped my car off today (Saturday) for them to look at. I can only hpe it's nothing to serious. Chris Valentine Keighley 1988 Baltic Blue S4 _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From adrian928 at tesco.net Sat Feb 7 15:24:39 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:24:39 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Loebank Motors Message-ID: <20040207152439.YMWY6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> If your lucky it is either a simple oil seal/gasket that has gone, or an oil breather/cooler hose split - causing oil to drip onto the exhaust and possibly some electrical components - hence the initial misfire. The other alternatives that I can think of are much more expensive (engine component failure, but generally the car would be misfiring all the time, so fingers crossed. Either way, you have taken the car to a good place to fix it - let us know how you get on. Adrian > > From: "Chris Valentine" > Date: 2004/02/07 Sat PM 02:45:01 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Loebank Motors > > I've only had my 88 S4 for a couple of weks and yesterday put about 3 litres > of oil in as the dip stick showed it was well below the line. When I started > the car blue smoke poured out of the exhaust and the engine mis-fired for a > minute or two. The mis-fire has now gone but the smoke is still there on > start-up and heavy acceleration. There is also a slight damp patch directly > under the engine which I think is oil. I don't know too much about these > cars but any suggestions would be appreciated. People have been saying good > things about Loebank Motors so I dropped my car off today (Saturday) for > them to look at. I can only hpe it's nothing to serious. > > Chris Valentine > Keighley > 1988 Baltic Blue S4 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Feb 7 16:32:04 2004 From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:32:04 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Headlights Message-ID: <002601c3ed97$eb9a2be0$399c2052@n5k9y6> Hi I have just blown my headlight relay for the second time in about 4 months. The headlights work OK but just won't retract when you turn them off. Does anyone know a reason why this should happen twice, or am I just unlucky. Thanks Paul 86S2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at dawe.com Sat Feb 7 16:55:10 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:55:10 -0000 Subject: [928uk] cock-up In-Reply-To: <002401c3ed57$dcfa1360$dc00900a@npt.private.ntli.net> Message-ID: My apologies again,what with viruses,me sending semi-confidential stuff out to amuse/annoy the 928 list,I can but admit fallibilty in this matter. I did not knowingly request my computer to send this to the list;I typed the xxx at cymuned-ceredigion.org and it was somehow translated to xxx at cymuned-ceredigion;list.Any theories? (Yep,I know that it might have been finger trouble!) Angus,if you are/were offended by my remarks,again I am sorry. Am still puzzled and chastened.Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: Justin [mailto:englishman.inwales at virgin.net] Sent: 07 February 2004 08:53 To: jimkime at blueyonder.co.uk; mike at dawe.com; 'list' Subject: Re: [928uk] cock-up Mike, you sent the email to: To: , "list" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Looks like you sent the "confidential" email to the whole UK group too by mistake! It would have been bounced back to you from the rhanbarth at cymuned-ceredigion email address as that was incorrect(you'd need a .com or .co.uk etc extension on the end of it) The email was not bounced back to the 928 group, you actually sent it to us. I think you owe Angus an apology. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimkime To: ; 'list' <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] cock-up > There is no IT answer to human error!! > > Therefore the answer is, do not send email in error!!!!! I am sure > apologies will be accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On > Behalf Of Mike Dawe > Sent: 06 February 2004 18:22 > To: list > Subject: [928uk] cock-up > > dear all,suspect that an item of domestic political nature has gone out > to > you in error! My apologies,it has been returned as not deliverable at an > address xxx @cymuned-ceredigion.org BUT somehow it has taken a wrong > turn > and bothered the list...... > Angus as this was personal I do not wish it to happen again! have you > any > thoughts on the subject? It could happen with someone's business > matters. > Mike (T reg) > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From ksawyers at nildram.co.uk Sat Feb 7 17:16:24 2004 From: ksawyers at nildram.co.uk (Kingsley Sawyers) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:16:24 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Start problems/ relays References: <001201c3ea41$1ecc86c0$7c13bdac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <002d01c3ed9e$1d253820$1507a8c0@Nildram> Lo all OK, got to spend a little time on the GT today. I have exposed the fuse and relay board again ready to start fiddling. Fuel pump fuse is OK, I don't see any other relevant fuses. A large number of the relays *look* the same, all stamped with a '53', including the LH ECU and Fuel pump ones I think (bit of a rush this morning). I suppose I'm slightly nervous of just moving relays about; is the '53' stamp an indication of the same relay, or are they stamped with a Porsche part number somewhere when removed? As others may be aware, my trick exhaust makes listening for a ticking fuel pump a bit optimistic, hehe. I did try to start the car, and it actually ran for a few seconds before dying, maybe if I have time to jostle the relays tomorrow it will burst back into glorious life. Fingers are crossed for it not being alternator, fuel pump, ECU... Looking forward to stories of the rolling road visit from Scott etc.! Kingsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Speake" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] Start problems > Thanks, John > > The car is parked on the street, unfortunately, so the dampness angle seems > quite feasible. I'll have to try the flooding resolution, too. > > Do all these suggestions apply to Diederik, too?? > > Kingsley > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kingsley, the essential difference between an ignition triggered no start, and a fuel pump relay/LH relay/fuel pump/LH ECU (!) failure is whether the fuel pump is getting power. I appreciate it's a bit difficult to hear it buzzing away when the engine is being cranked, but you could put a voltmeter on it, or even check whether fuel is being pumped through the return pipe (on top of the tank, accessed through the round rubber bung under the RHS floor in the boot.) Try swapping relays first - it's the cheapest solution ! let us know how you get on. John _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From angusf at 928.org.uk Sat Feb 7 18:47:02 2004 From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:47:02 +0000 Subject: [928uk] cock-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04C83A75-599E-11D8-9F0C-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk> I wasnt offended. It happens with email sometimes. Ive seen *MUCH* worse :-) I spotted it but it had already gone. Nothing much I can do about it anyway. Our list is too active to be moderated so if you are a subscriber and send it off it goes! I cant explain why your mail program got its type ahead addressing wrong but you should look at the list and see if any have stupid names. The best place to find the answer is the website of your mail programs support organization. I tend not to have these problems on my mac using mac mail. I do have them sometimes when I use Notes or Outlook or Outlook Express. I try quite hard not to use Outlook or Outlook Express at all these days but its probably got some settings for this stuff. Angus From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Sat Feb 7 19:47:24 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:47:24 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Thanks to Scott for a great day out. Message-ID: <20040207194724.BD403158244@mail.messagingengine.com> Thanks Scott for organiseing a great day out at G-Force Motorsport in Aylesbury, nice early morning run down the M62,M18,M1 nice and clear with little traffic, loads of great sounding 928S revving up on the dyno, and a nice meal afterwards. Cheers Scott. Joe 83S Auto -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different From porsche.gb at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 6 20:38:40 2004 From: porsche.gb at ntlworld.com (porsche928) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:40 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Day Message-ID: Big thanks to Scott for organizing a great day at G-Force Motorsport and it was good to put faces to the names of the people on the 928uk site. The results were very interesting, especially with my GTS achieving fairly low hp, but Steve at G-Force plugged in the Bosch hammer and diagnosed the problem to be the fuel switch. So a big thank you to him and the trusted hammer. Overall a great day. Nigel '92 GTS manual From titters at btinternet.com Sat Feb 7 20:45:06 2004 From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:45:06 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Are there different sorts of RDK transmitters? Message-ID: <000c01c3edbb$460277e0$647c8451@weasel> put on the GT wheels today - the things plugged in my 90 s4 wheels were black round plastic things about 1cm from the wheel. The ones on the GT wheels are black diamond shaped with a yellow/translucent plastice circle insert. They sit more proud than the S4 ones. I'm now getting a scrping noise from the OSR on each revolution - I'll be going under tomorrow to try and figure out what it is, but can anyone shed any light on the differing types -Is the sensor on an adjustable mounting so you can position just right for the transmitters? Any advice greatly appreciated.... Iain 90S4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian928 at tesco.net Sat Feb 7 21:20:21 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:20:21 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Day Message-ID: <20040207212021.NNWQ6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Nigel/Scott/Joe - what were the rear wheel HP's from the cars? Any graphs to post to the UK website? Adrian > From: porsche928 > Date: 2004/02/06 Fri PM 08:38:40 GMT > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Day > > Big thanks to Scott for organizing a great day at G-Force Motorsport and it > was good to put faces to the names of the people on the 928uk site. > The results were very interesting, especially with my GTS achieving fairly > low hp, but Steve at G-Force plugged in the Bosch hammer and diagnosed the > problem to be the fuel switch. So a big thank you to him and the trusted > hammer. > Overall a great day. > > Nigel '92 GTS manual > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From marton at befree.ch Sat Feb 7 22:52:14 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton hasenberg) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:52:14 +0100 Subject: [928uk] the great clutch competition Message-ID: <001301c3edcd$0819e820$b0cda73e@marton> Hi, The competition is to identify the cause of my clutch problem. There is sadly no prize but I am open to prize sponsorship. I was driving home from a jazz club tonight. I put my foot on the clutch to change gear and the pedal stayed on the floor. I kicked it a few times and then it came back up but only about halfway. The pedal itself is vibrating like crazy. The clutch is engaged but not properly. I can still drive but if I give it a lot of gas then the clutch slips. If I push the clutch pedal down to the floor then the clutch does not disengage. I assume I have not lost a significant amount of brake fluid because the brake fluid loss light did not come on. So far as I know this light and sensor work OK but anything is possible. So before I crawl around underneath it tomorrow - what is the cause? Where should I start to look? My guess is that is something to do with the new clutch cylinder installed about one year ago. Maybe it got loose and swivelled on its mounting so jamming the clutch release lever - don't know if this is feasible? Marton From email at jbreckeen.org Sat Feb 7 23:05:47 2004 From: email at jbreckeen.org (Joshua Breckeen) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:05:47 -0000 Subject: [928uk] One electrical "Fix" down, one to go! -- Rear Wiper. Message-ID: So today was halfway sunny, and I had a bit of a tinker with the GT. After thinking about the pros & cons of bypassing the "safety loop" on the rear hatch popper, I decided to give it a try and see. Very easy, and just the ticket. From the plug into the popper, I took out the ground (Br/Wh) wire that leads to the "door open" switches - the "safety loop". Then using the same crimped pin from the Br/Wh wire, I crimped a brown wire and then attached it to a ground point on the rear wiper motor. I can now pop the hatch without opening the doors; ahh, freedom. So after re-engineering this, my thoughts turn to the rear wiper. It has always annoyed me that there is no "on" or "intermittent" settings for the rear wiper; just push and then watch it knock back & forth 3 times. When speed is high, you of course do not need the rear wiper, but in town, and it is pissing a bit, it would be nice. So anyone have any ideas?? My thoughts were to replace the original relay (sweeps 3 times), with another. Now when I used to own a Scirocco, there was a relay replacement that allowed intermittent function on the front wipers: if you just turn the switch on, it would work as normal, but if you turn it on, then off, and "pause" then on, then the intermittent time was the "pause" time. Anyone remember this? Or does anyone know of another replay (from any manufacturer) that would give this intermittent function? Thanks in advance . . . Joshua Breckeen email at jbreckeen.org Hertfordshire 91 GT Polar Silver Metallic From George.Layton at ukgateway.net Sat Feb 7 13:15:46 2004 From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:15:46 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PCGB Meet Message-ID: <000001c3edd3$f5bb96e0$75002850@oemcomputer> I just got this from my local PCGB RO (Region 21). Anyone know anything about this ?? Andrew ?? 4th Apr - Sunday FrontRunner display 11am to 3pm If you have a front engine Porsche join in this event and if you don't this is a chance to see them all together. Cornbury House is hosting a front-engine Porsche gathering featuring the 924, 924 Carrera GT, 944, 968, 928 and Cayenne Registers. Dave Dennett has agreed to display his Speed Championship 2003 winning 924 racing car inside Cornbury House. Thanks to Geoff Ives, Registers Director, a short (20 mile) run is already in place for the day and approved. Also the same people who did the food (hot dogs + burgers) at Eynsham Hall will be selling at this event. If you require more details please contact Paul Hedges (924 at porscheclubgb.com or tel: 07940 441452). George. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 06/02/2004 From George.Layton at ukgateway.net Sun Feb 8 00:13:39 2004 From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 00:13:39 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Day References: Message-ID: <005501c3eddd$dfe52e80$75002850@oemcomputer> Hi Nigel. <... especially with my GTS achieving fairly low hp, but Steve at G-Force plugged in the Bosch hammer and diagnosed the problem to be the fuel switch ...> Any more info on this ?? I'm always looking for things to check to make sure I'm getting the maximum BHP possible :^) George. '95 GTS Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: porsche928 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: 06 February 2004 20:38 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Day Big thanks to Scott for organizing a great day at G-Force Motorsport and it was good to put faces to the names of the people on the 928uk site. The results were very interesting, especially with my GTS achieving fairly low hp, but Steve at G-Force plugged in the Bosch hammer and diagnosed the problem to be the fuel switch. So a big thank you to him and the trusted hammer. Overall a great day. Nigel '92 GTS manual _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- This outgoing e-mail from George is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 07/02/2004 From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Sun Feb 8 08:23:54 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:23:54 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: [928GB] the great clutch competition In-Reply-To: <001301c3edcd$0819e820$b0cda73e@marton> Message-ID: Check out the crappy plastic ball socket that connects the ball on the side of the pedal to the master cylinder pushrod. Similar symptoms when mine partially failed. Pedal only comes back up part way because of the "power" spring Hope it's this cause it's a cheap part. Regards Jon Black SE > -----Original Message----- > From: marton hasenberg [mailto:marton at befree.ch] > Sent: 07 February 2004 22:52 > To: 928GB at yahoogroups.com; 928UK List > Subject: [928GB] the great clutch competition > > > Hi, > > The competition is to identify the cause of my clutch problem. There is > sadly no prize but I am open to prize sponsorship. > > I was driving home from a jazz club tonight. I put my foot on > the clutch to > change gear and the pedal stayed on the floor. I kicked it a few > times and > then it came back up but only about halfway. The pedal itself is > vibrating > like crazy. > > The clutch is engaged but not properly. I can still drive but if > I give it > a lot of gas then the clutch slips. If I push the clutch pedal > down to the > floor then the clutch does not disengage. > > I assume I have not lost a significant amount of brake fluid because the > brake fluid loss light did not come on. So far as I know this light and > sensor work OK but anything is possible. > > So before I crawl around underneath it tomorrow - what is the cause? > Where should I start to look? > My guess is that is something to do with the new clutch cylinder installed > about one year ago. Maybe it got loose and swivelled on its mounting so > jamming the clutch release lever - don't know if this is feasible? > > Marton > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928GB - a place to meet without rules. > Anything Goes! Join in the fun. > > Can't hack the pace: 928GB-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/928GB/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > 928GB-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 8 10:27:26 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:27:26 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PCGB Meet References: <000001c3edd3$f5bb96e0$75002850@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002a01c3ee2e$27539040$729687d9@BRIERLEY> I have heard one or two rumours about this but no hard fact, seems a bit strange that it it's not well publicised. I think it's just a normal open day at cub office but they are making into a front engined/water-cooled event. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Layton" To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: [928uk] PCGB Meet > I just got this from my local PCGB RO (Region 21). Anyone know anything > about this ?? Andrew ?? > > 4th Apr - Sunday FrontRunner display 11am to 3pm > If you have a front engine Porsche join in this event and if you don't > this is a chance to see them all together. Cornbury House is hosting a > front-engine Porsche gathering featuring the 924, 924 Carrera GT, 944, > 968, 928 and Cayenne Registers. Dave Dennett has agreed to display his > Speed Championship 2003 winning 924 racing car inside Cornbury House. > Thanks to Geoff Ives, Registers Director, a short (20 mile) run is > already in place for the day and approved. Also the same people who did > the food (hot dogs + burgers) at Eynsham Hall will be selling at this > event. If you require more details please contact Paul Hedges > (924 at porscheclubgb.com or tel: 07940 441452). > > George. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 06/02/2004 > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From richard at ritech-systems.com Sun Feb 8 11:13:14 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:13:14 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Motor Mounts Message-ID: Hacked off about missing the G-Force day - my day was spent under the car finishing off the motor mount replacement. Bit of a pig, but the Pirtle site notes are invaluble. If anyone is considering it contact me off list 'cos there are a few pitfalls to be avoided. It is also much easier to put the lower suspension back together with 2 people. Smooooth, no vibes at 2000rpm!!. I suspect that most cars over 10 years old will have collapsing mounts, you probably won't even notice except for the slight vibration. The mounts themselves are monstrous and cost ?175 each from your OPC, so it's not surprising that the job is about ?1k at OPC prices. I got my mounts from Club Autosport in Brum for ?125 each Richard A From marton at befree.ch Sun Feb 8 11:11:41 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton hasenberg) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:11:41 +0100 Subject: [928uk] RE: [928GB] the great clutch competition References: Message-ID: <003401c3ee34$54d59760$e750a73e@marton> Hi Jon, Forgot you are the clutch expert :) Tried to check out the crappy plastic ball socket that connects the ball on the side of the pedal to the master cylinder pushrod. It seems OK. But while I was standing on my head and fiddling around down there, the pedal suddenly sprang up to its normal position. Now I can use the clutch pedal as normal but while the motor is running in neutral there is a screeching sound from down below like a shot bearing. When I engage the clutch there is a big vibration like there is some unbalanced load being rotated and the car does not move away smoothly but judders. Sounds like problems in the area of the plates or release bearing? Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Holdsworth" To: <928GB at yahoogroups.com>; "928UK List" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: [928uk] RE: [928GB] the great clutch competition > Check out the crappy plastic ball socket that connects the ball on the side > of the pedal to the master cylinder pushrod. > > From hans.shark928 at virgin.net Sun Feb 8 11:22:13 2004 From: hans.shark928 at virgin.net (Hans928) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:22:13 -0000 Subject: [928uk] S - W Meet (everyone welcome) Attendees References: <003201c3ea55$cb601fa0$3f7e0252@w8s0p7> Message-ID: <001801c3ee35$cd121ea0$14740252@w8s0p7> Just another weekly countdown reminder with a fortnight to go. Take up hasn't been too bad with a dozen cars + several potential 928 owners attending to date. There must be some of you sitting on the fence, watching the weather etc. If you are a possible - still let me know and I will pass your details onto Charles VA, who has offered to make some name cards up as per Cothill. Cheers. Hans. For Attendees, see bottom of message. From: Hans928 Subject: [928uk] South West Meet. Dear all Just to plug, well in advance, a South West Meet is to be held on Saturday 21st February. All 928s are welcome.( uk and gb lists etc.) Not just those in the S-W either ! Venue is confirmed Cross Hands Hotel. Old Sodbury South Gloucestershire ( 2 miles north of jtn 18 M4 on the A46. ) We have used their car park in the past. It is huge. I have obtained permission from the hotel manager given that we may get more than the 6 - 8 cars that attend normally. 11.30 onwards. ( The hotel bar shuts at 3.00pm) The Queen stayed at the hotel years ago, 1981, refuge during a blizzard, so if it 's alright for her, we should be OK !! Make sure you wrap up warm though. Anyone interested in attending, including the usual suspects and especially those who may be coming from further afield - please let me know so that I can get a feel for numbers. Thanks. Hans. 87 / 91 S4s ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So far, the ( south - west ) meet scheduled for 21st February 2004 has the following attending... Hans S4 91 Charles van Asma S2 86 Mark Birri S4 88 Clyde S4 88 Richard Armstrong ? John Bevan S2 83 Don Peach S4 88 Paul Anderson ( probable ) car TBA ! Ken Trueman GTS 93 Leigh Coldwell Potential buyer Gareth Clarke " " Apologies from --------------------- Vic ( Nicholls ) away Joe working on-ship Richard Pierce work commitment Paul Thorn away Alan Baldwin family commitment -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Sun Feb 8 12:56:22 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:56:22 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Day 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <200402081200.i18C0A206611@raq01.multizone.co.uk> References: <200402081200.i18C0A206611@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: 1076244982.2720.180682645@webmail.messagingengine.com Adrian, Scott took down all the figures and will be posting them, a few suprises, some off the graphs Martin took digital photos off, i'll try and scan mine. Joe 83S Auto > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:20:21 +0000 > From: > Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Day > To: porsche928 , <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Message-ID: > <20040207212021.NNWQ6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Nigel/Scott/Joe - what were the rear wheel HP's from the cars? Any > graphs to post to the UK website? > > Adrian -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... From englishman.inwales at virgin.net Sun Feb 8 12:58:52 2004 From: englishman.inwales at virgin.net (Justin) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:58:52 -0000 Subject: [928uk] wheel repair Message-ID: <006101c3ee43$4d88b410$dc00900a@npt.private.ntli.net> Hi all someone mentioned on the list a company that would come out to your house or workplace and repair/refurbish the alloy wheels for ?69 a piece. Can someone remind me what the company was called please? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidhogarth66 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 7 17:00:14 2004 From: davidhogarth66 at hotmail.com (David Hogarth) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:00:14 -0000 Subject: [928uk] electrical gremlin References: <15427893.1076163828534.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> <006201c3ed9a$d45cbda0$4c4fbdac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: Makes sense, Andy's extremely familar with dodgy ground ! David ----- Original Message ----- From: John Speake To: andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] electrical gremlin car is 928 GTS my 1994. With ignition on and engine off all electrics operate normally. When engine is switched on the headlights, wipers and heated rear screen stop working. With engine switched off everything works again. I have checked all the connections on the battery and all OK. It seems that the alternator or some other function is swithing off the power to these circuits.Would appreciate any inputs you have. regards Andy hi Andy, The most likely problem is a dodgy ground. Check the connections on the terminal assembly under the jump start terminal. Also check grounds under the dash/steering wheel, and those around the fuse/relay panel. 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Once it does start the revs surge and drop (between nearly 0 and 1,100) for the first minute or so and if I take my foot off the pedal during this period it will invariably stall. After a minute the revs steady at just under 1000 and its fine. It hasnt yet failed to start at all but it does seem to be only a matter of time. Any thoughts ? Thanks David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can thoroughly recommend them - no-one in this country is even close to the price they charge. regards.........Andy PS Incidentally - I've done 40K on the caps and rotors and I've never seen units look so good after that sort of mileage ....I didn't really need to replace them based on looks - very little arcing or carbon build up - rotors looked worse than the caps with degradation of the rotor tips you would expect with that sort of mileage - but still well within a working spec though. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Hartley To: andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: KINGSBORNE PORSCHE 928 S4. Hi Andy, I understand that you would like to make a set of HP wires for your Porsche 928 S4. The tool you require is a little expensive. The set I would suggest is a number 09-908E. The set is complete except for the BERU spark plug ends that you have, it has wire ,mounting clips installed,copper threaded ferrules to the plug and the distributor boots installed. You can pick any colors of our wire 8mm ( black,blue,red,yellow ). The price will be $95.00. FREIGHT IS EXTRA. We take credit cards please list information. Thank you, Gary. -------Original Message------- From: Andy Boardman Date: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:29:38 AM To: sales at kingsborne.com Subject: sales inquiry Morning I have a Porsche 928 S4 with a 5.0 litre motor and I am trying to make up a new set of HT leads for it. I have some Blue Max SP 8mm wire and the correct caps for the distributor end but do not have the small copper threaded ferrules for the plug end of the lead to which the BERU deep well plug cap screws to. Would you have these and a crimping tool to swage the caps onto the wire please? If you do then please indicate how much and how you would like payment. The BERU ends appear to be perfect but after 15 years the leads have heat hardened and started to arc. I would be most grateful for any help that you can offer. Regards..................Andy Boardman 21 Wellington Cottages Gills Green Hawkhurst Kent TN18 5EL United Kingdom ph. +44 7720 458574 email andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: unknown/unknown Size: 17228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com Sun Feb 8 19:49:28 2004 From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:49:28 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Are there different sorts of RDK transmitters? References: <000c01c3edbb$460277e0$647c8451@weasel> Message-ID: <01d601c3ee87$a64d8640$a64f7ad5@hppav> Iain The RDK sensors on your GT wheels sound just like those on my standard 1990 S4 wheels! Confused? 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URL: From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Sun Feb 8 22:04:42 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:04:42 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Scare ! In-Reply-To: <015301c3ec99$7a58d7a0$bc510352@w8s0p7> Message-ID: <200402082204.i18M4hWX020108@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Hans928 wrote: > > Check the obvious is the motto - gauge / sender knackered - > something else for the eternal list ! Hi Hans, I reckon you and 80% of all 928 owners -- with the gauge not accurate at the extremes. Reliable heresay is that crud deposits on the float and the things around it. I am also told that it's easy to clean up (with the battery disconnected!). I zero the trip meter at each refill -- but never reset it while the car is moving (many stories of it breaking if you do). 300 miles maximum per tank; less if you play with rice-burners. -- Phil A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by Mark Twain (1835-1910). For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl -- Mark Twain From mcclean20 at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 8 22:28:42 2004 From: mcclean20 at ntlworld.com (Rmac) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:28:42 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 968 manual Message-ID: <003401c3ee92$e850ef40$6401a8c0@WHITNEY> Anyone got the 968 workshop manuals I can loan. Mac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Sun Feb 8 22:42:20 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:42:20 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Wheel Studs In-Reply-To: <001401c3ee8a$72f0ff40$399c2052@n5k9y6> Message-ID: Sure it's got longer studs ? and not a spacer bolted on with separate studs that are seated in/part of the spacer? I thought - willingly stand corrected - that it was only the thinner spacers 9 or 11mm that used longer studs. Jon Black SE wheels nuts now steel - must go and check the nuts on the spacers -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Paul Thorn Sent: 08 February 2004 21:28 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk; 928GB Subject: [928uk] Wheel Studs I am looking to put new 17 inch alloys on my 86 S2. It was supplied with wider rear track, 21mm spacers and extended studs. Does anyone know the best way to fit new wheels without the spacers, ie open ended wheel nuts, or cut the studs down, or replace the studs. Any advice welcome. Paul 86 S2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gareth.northwood at virgin.net Sun Feb 8 22:46:24 2004 From: gareth.northwood at virgin.net (Gareth Northwood) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:46:24 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Owner / Car Details Message-ID: <001301c3ee95$625ff720$fa04fd3e@1> Hello all. A few more updates for today to the owner / car / location details at: http://www.928.org.uk/~go928 Good to see a few more pics coming my way, more please if you have them! Essex are coming up the distribution table fast, starting to look like a London and home counties take-over! Gareth _____________ New, Changed or Pictures Added: Dave Cresswell Joshua Breckeen Ricky Christie Alex Ryles Alan Baldwin Nick Barnes Don Peach Ralph 'Mac' Maclean Chris Clark Michael Scantlebury Barney Gardener From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Sun Feb 8 23:14:35 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:14:35 GMT Subject: [928uk] Motor Mounts Message-ID: <7043c4b3.f240d34.8199f00@mail05.onetel.net.uk> re: If anyone is considering it contact me off list 'cos there are a few pitfalls to be avoided. Tell us all your "pitfalls". Smiffy From mcclean20 at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 9 06:18:26 2004 From: mcclean20 at ntlworld.com (Rmac) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:18:26 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Scare ! In-Reply-To: <200402082204.i18M4hWX020108@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <004e01c3eed4$87695310$6401a8c0@WHITNEY> Eeek!! Phil A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by Mark Twain (1835-1910). For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From john.constantine at btinternet.com Mon Feb 9 08:03:01 2004 From: john.constantine at btinternet.com (John Constantine) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:03:01 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Something you should all do/Project update. Message-ID: <003101c3eee3$24b16be0$ce49883e@CypherLaptop> Hi all, As you are aware I bought a non runner which I'm doing up - an 83 "S". Anyway at the weekend I removed the whole intake system as I know I had a suspect vaccum line. I planned to change them all while I was at it and as I did so I realised that it was only a matter of a short time before they all become useless. My advice, especially if you have an older car is to replace all the vaccum lines on it. I realise most of you have this done already, but I really was surprised to see the state they were in once I could get to them all. Anyway, the project continues - here is a list of things I've done so far since I got the car a few days before Christmas. 1) Replaced all vaccum lines. 2) removed all carpets 3) Changed leads 4) Changed Plugs 5) Changed Dissy cap 6) Changed rotor arm 7) Changed oil 8) Changed air filter 9) replaced broken vaccum valve for heater matrix. 10) Replaced righthand cam gasket and missing nut. 11) Cleaned intake plenum 12) in the process of cleaning up intake pipes. 13) replaces cold start injector pipe. 14) Replaced starter motor. I think thats about it for the momment apart from cleaning everything I come in contact with:)..... I'm just waiting on the new injectors and then we should be ready for another go at starting and tuning. I've been taking pics but have nowhere to put them at the momment, however when I have a few spare mins I'll get them all on the web. Cheers, JC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie Mon Feb 9 09:30:59 2004 From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:30:59 -0000 Subject: [928uk] not firing on all cylinders? Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F702010271@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Hi there folks, I was chatting with a guy last night, who reckoned my car wasn't firing on all cylinders. He said he could tell by the way the car shuddered a little when taking off. I put it down to him not being used to the way the clutch releases... is there a simple, quick, way of testing to see if the car is firing on all cylinders? Regards, G 80 S Btw: in the last week, I have seen 5 928's in an around south county Dublin... most noticable, a fellow with a black 80 928S, polishing it in his driveway. Typical, I was in the mx-5 at the time, so couldn't really roll down the window for a chat. ____________________________________________________ Gareth Croeser SAP Basis ITSIS/Bank of Ireland Cabinteely Dublin 18 +353 86 807 3538 +353 1 217 7155 ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ******************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk Mon Feb 9 08:46:29 2004 From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:46:29 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: Loebank Motors Message-ID: Chris, I was in Loe Bank on Friday chatting to Chris and seeing how busy they are there (very). He was commenting on them being flat out and how much he was looking forward to a break and some holiday time. What makes Loe Bank so good is explained when he mentioned your S4 and how he was 'itching' to get in on Saturday morning and see what was wrong with it! The man's a glutton for punishment but a true enthusiast for the cars as well. Makes all the difference I think. Cheers, Gareth freshly serviced and very smooth Black 90GT >>> "Chris Valentine" 02/07/04 02:45pm >>> I've only had my 88 S4 for a couple of weks and yesterday put about 3 litres of oil in as the dip stick showed it was well below the line. When I started the car blue smoke poured out of the exhaust and the engine mis-fired for a minute or two. The mis-fire has now gone but the smoke is still there on start-up and heavy acceleration. There is also a slight damp patch directly under the engine which I think is oil. I don't know too much about these cars but any suggestions would be appreciated. People have been saying good things about Loebank Motors so I dropped my car off today (Saturday) for them to look at. I can only hpe it's nothing to serious. Chris Valentine Keighley 1988 Baltic Blue S4 _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ___________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________________ From richard at ritech-systems.com Mon Feb 9 09:52:32 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:52:32 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Motor Mounts In-Reply-To: <7043c4b3.f240d34.8199f00@mail05.onetel.net.uk> References: <7043c4b3.f240d34.8199f00@mail05.onetel.net.uk> Message-ID: <8+WGtUDgh1JAFwGi@ritech-systems.com> Smiffy I thought I could get away without removing the wheels - once the lower suspension is disconnected it's difficult to loosen the wheelnuts. Some of the bolts are difficult to get to such as upper crossmember crossbolts (steering gets in the way). Those two horizontal bolts were the most difficult to remove and replace, and when I pulled the crossmember back into place I managed to distort the brace on one side (fairly flimsy bit of tin between the rear of the upper suspension mount and the crossmember - it is important though). There is not much space to work in and it is important to ease the brace into the crossmember as you tighten the bolts. ( I had to undo the upper suspension mount and bugger around until I got the brace in line). You will need a long Tommy bar, and a piece of tube to get enough leverage on some fixings, so the car will have to be raised as high as poss (I had a lift and a pit). The rack bolts aren't captive, but that's just an irritation, I found all the 8mm 'T' bolts holding the rack support plate were either sheared or buggered when the rack was replaced last year. Not very impressed (it was an outfit in London called RGA I think). I ended up remaking them by tig welding in some stainless threads. The steering hydraulic tubes and main supply to the starter that get in the way a bit but once the crossmember has been dropped and rotated to the side the mounts come out easily, and they had completely collapsed by about 30mm. Putting everything back together was much easier, but It is difficult to get the suspension back in place without another pair of hands. Biggest hassle was afformentioned upper brace. I reckon it's a two day job, or a bloody long one day job. Its not surprising that the OPCs charge about ?1k total for it. Richard >re: If anyone is considering it contact me off list 'cos >there are a few pitfalls to be avoided. > >Tell us all your "pitfalls". > >Smiffy From richard at ritech-systems.com Mon Feb 9 09:19:39 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:19:39 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Tank capacity In-Reply-To: <200402082204.i18M4hWX020108@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> References: <015301c3ec99$7a58d7a0$bc510352@w8s0p7> <200402082204.i18M4hWX020108@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <7OkHBEBrC1JAFwkM@ritech-systems.com> Phil Are your miles the same as ours in Aus - I can get about 400 miles out of a tank without driving like a coffin dodger. Also the digital display for Miles available is amazingly accurate - almost uncannily so, better than any other I have come across. I seem to be lucky in that the gauge works properly as well! Richard In message <200402082204.i18M4hWX020108 at citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>, Phil Chadwick writes > >Hi Hans, I reckon you and 80% of all 928 owners -- with the gauge >not accurate at the extremes. > >Reliable heresay is that crud deposits on the float and the things >around it. I am also told that it's easy to clean up (with the >battery disconnected!). > >I zero the trip meter at each refill -- but never reset it while >the car is moving (many stories of it breaking if you do). > >300 miles maximum per tank; less if you play with rice-burners. > > From john.constantine at btinternet.com Mon Feb 9 10:30:07 2004 From: john.constantine at btinternet.com (John Constantine) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:30:07 -0000 Subject: [928uk] not firing on all cylinders? References: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F702010271@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Message-ID: <008f01c3eef7$b0b04260$ce49883e@CypherLaptop> not firing on all cylinders?Gareth, There are several ways to see. Firstly and the easiest way is to systematically remove each lead at the cap - one at a time, and see if the car runs any different. With an 8 cylinder engine it's a lot harder to tell if you are not getting combustion on 1 cylinder as it only equates to 12.5% of engine capacity as opposed to 25% on a 4 cyl. If you remove a lead and the car still appears to run the same and no worse, then you've probably found the problem - if there is one. Alternativly, hook a lead up and connect it to a spark plug ouside of the engine, hold it with insulated pliers (you only do it once without insulated pliers!) and hold the plug on something thats earthed - you should visably see a spark each time it fires when you turn the engine. Again, check all points on the dissy. If you are getting a spark at every point on the dissy - remove the plugs - check for fouling and compression test each cylinder. If you are getting a spark, no fouling on your plugs, and you've got good compression - tell your mate he's wrong!;-) JC ----- Original Message ----- From: Croeser, Gareth To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: [928uk] not firing on all cylinders? Hi there folks, I was chatting with a guy last night, who reckoned my car wasn't firing on all cylinders. He said he could tell by the way the car shuddered a little when taking off. I put it down to him not being used to the way the clutch releases... is there a simple, quick, way of testing to see if the car is firing on all cylinders? Regards, G 80 S Btw: in the last week, I have seen 5 928's in an around south county Dublin... most noticable, a fellow with a black 80 928S, polishing it in his driveway. Typical, I was in the mx-5 at the time, so couldn't really roll down the window for a chat. ____________________________________________________ Gareth Croeser SAP Basis ITSIS/Bank of Ireland Cabinteely Dublin 18 +353 86 807 3538 +353 1 217 7155 ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ******************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie Mon Feb 9 11:12:37 2004 From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:12:37 -0000 Subject: [928uk] not firing on all cylinders? Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F7020102C7@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net> Thanks John, I'll have a look at that over the weekend.. Cheers, G ____________________________________________________ Gareth Croeser SAP Basis ITSIS/Bank of Ireland Cabinteely Dublin 18 +353 86 807 3538 +353 1 217 7155 _____ From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of John Constantine Sent: 09 February 2004 10:30 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] not firing on all cylinders? Gareth, There are several ways to see. Firstly and the easiest way is to systematically remove each lead at the cap - one at a time, and see if the car runs any different. With an 8 cylinder engine it's a lot harder to tell if you are not getting combustion on 1 cylinder as it only equates to 12.5% of engine capacity as opposed to 25% on a 4 cyl. If you remove a lead and the car still appears to run the same and no worse, then you've probably found the problem - if there is one. Alternativly, hook a lead up and connect it to a spark plug ouside of the engine, hold it with insulated pliers (you only do it once without insulated pliers!) and hold the plug on something thats earthed - you should visably see a spark each time it fires when you turn the engine. Again, check all points on the dissy. If you are getting a spark at every point on the dissy - remove the plugs - check for fouling and compression test each cylinder. If you are getting a spark, no fouling on your plugs, and you've got good compression - tell your mate he's wrong!;-) JC ----- Original Message ----- From: Croeser, Gareth To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: [928uk] not firing on all cylinders? Hi there folks, I was chatting with a guy last night, who reckoned my car wasn't firing on all cylinders. He said he could tell by the way the car shuddered a little when taking off. I put it down to him not being used to the way the clutch releases... is there a simple, quick, way of testing to see if the car is firing on all cylinders? Regards, G 80 S Btw: in the last week, I have seen 5 928's in an around south county Dublin... most noticable, a fellow with a black 80 928S, polishing it in his driveway. Typical, I was in the mx-5 at the time, so couldn't really roll down the window for a chat. ____________________________________________________ Gareth Croeser SAP Basis ITSIS/Bank of Ireland Cabinteely Dublin 18 +353 86 807 3538 +353 1 217 7155 ******************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at MailMonitor at itsis.ie and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. 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URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Mon Feb 9 12:01:29 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:01:29 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: Hi All - apologies for the slight delay (I wrote up a report with lots of piccies last night - but it ended up being 800KB... I'll talk to Angus to see if it can go on the website!)... but here are the results from the 928 Dyno Shoot-Out! For those unaware, 10 of us took our cars to a rolling road ("chassis dyno") on Saturday to find out just what our V8 beasts really chuck out. Thanks to all those who attended and for making the early morning journey, especially Joe (all the way from York area I heard afterwards!!). Rupert - you were very cheeky having a lie in... and then bringing a car along with that much power! Thanks also to Mel for getting his car going again just in time for the event! All the results were impressive given the age & mileage of our cars (especially when compared to Alex's 911 (996) Carrera 2 that also came along - it's alright, Alex likes 928's as well!). If anyone who attended has any photo's I'd be interested to see them/include them in my "report" - all the photo's are my own at the moment, and I didn't 'get' everything due to low batteries! Also, I've included scanned copies of my graphs in the full report - but it'd be much more revealing to show them against other car's graphs... if anyone who attended has access to suitable equipment & can send them to me, I'll add your graphs to the report. Watch this space for news of the "full report" being available... Scott '91 GT P.S. I won't mention anything about any of the tyre smoke incidents on departure... P.P.S. Whoever it was that recommended the Bugle Horn pub.... thank you very much - it was lovely & still serving food when we eventually arrived c.3pm!! Owner Car Type Year (reg.) Gearbox Peak Power (actual at wheels) Peak Power (estimated engine) Paul 928S 1981 Manual 248 303 Joe 928S 1983 Auto 253 319 Charles 928S2 1986 Auto (204*) (249*) Mel 928S4 1990 Auto 254 332 Nic 928S4 1990 Auto 277 369 Rupert 928GT 1989 Manual 318 385 Mark 928GT 1989 Manual 284 346 Scott 928GT 1991 Manual 275 334 Nigel 928GTS 1992 Manual 276** 333** Alex 911C2 (996) 1999 Manual 222 269 [* Full test not completed - oil breather problem] [** Bosch Hammer test revealed fault on full throttle switch, reducing top end power] [Also - I think the 996 output is low - book value of 314bhp @ engine?] And so the "shoot-out competition" results were (using [actual] wheel power): Owner Car Type Year (reg.) Gearbox Peak Power (actual at wheels) Rupert 928GT 1989 Manual 318 Mark 928GT 1989 Manual 284 Nic 928S4 1990 Auto 277 Nigel 928GTS 1992 Manual 276 Scott 928GT 1991 Manual 275 Mel 928S4 1990 Auto 254 Joe 928S 1983 Auto 253 Paul 928S 1981 Manual 248 Alex 911C2 (996) 1999 Manual 222 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Farman [ mailto:joe_icecool at fastmail.fm ] Adrian, Scott took down all the figures and will be posting them, a few suprises, some off the graphs Martin took digital photos off, i'll try and scan mine. Joe 83S Auto > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:20:21 +0000 > > Nigel/Scott/Joe - what were the rear wheel HP's from the cars? Any > graphs to post to the UK website? > > Adrian ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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In fact, I think the idea expanded from originally just being 924's (& 944's?). So have a look under the 924 register section of PP for all the details (& also something at beginning of register section I think). Regards, Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Brierley [mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk] I have heard one or two rumours about this but no hard fact, seems a bit strange that it it's not well publicised. I think it's just a normal open day at cub office but they are making into a front engined/water-cooled event. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Layton" > I just got this from my local PCGB RO (Region 21). Anyone know anything > about this ?? Andrew ?? > > 4th Apr - Sunday FrontRunner display 11am to 3pm > If you have a front engine Porsche join in this event and if you don't > this is a chance to see them all together. Cornbury House is hosting a > front-engine Porsche gathering featuring the 924, 924 Carrera GT, 944, > 968, 928 and Cayenne Registers. ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles.vanasma at tesco.net Mon Feb 9 13:50:14 2004 From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (charles.vanasma at tesco.net) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:50:14 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <20040209135014.PCNS6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Scott Thanks for a great day out, my Two Stoke engine 928 made it home.!! Will send you photos tonight. What speed is your internet connection? Charles 928 S2 86 > > From: "Walker, Scott" > Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 12:01:29 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > Hi All - apologies for the slight delay (I wrote up a report with lots of > piccies last night - but it ended up being 800KB... I'll talk to Angus to > see if it can go on the website!)... but here are the results from the 928 > Dyno Shoot-Out! > > For those unaware, 10 of us took our cars to a rolling road ("chassis dyno") > on Saturday to find out just what our V8 beasts really chuck out. Thanks to > all those who attended and for making the early morning journey, especially > Joe (all the way from York area I heard afterwards!!). Rupert - you were > very cheeky having a lie in... and then bringing a car along with that much > power! Thanks also to Mel for getting his car going again just in time for > the event! > > All the results were impressive given the age & mileage of our cars > (especially when compared to Alex's 911 (996) Carrera 2 that also came along > - it's alright, Alex likes 928's as well!). > > If anyone who attended has any photo's I'd be interested to see them/include > them in my "report" - all the photo's are my own at the moment, and I didn't > 'get' everything due to low batteries! Also, I've included scanned copies of > my graphs in the full report - but it'd be much more revealing to show them > against other car's graphs... if anyone who attended has access to suitable > equipment & can send them to me, I'll add your graphs to the report. > > Watch this space for news of the "full report" being available... > > Scott '91 GT > > P.S. I won't mention anything about any of the tyre smoke incidents on > departure... > > P.P.S. Whoever it was that recommended the Bugle Horn pub.... thank you very > much - it was lovely & still serving food when we eventually arrived c.3pm!! > > > > > Owner > > Car Type > > Year (reg.) > > Gearbox > > Peak Power (actual at wheels) > > Peak Power (estimated engine) > > > Paul > > 928S > > 1981 > > Manual > > 248 > > 303 > > > Joe > > 928S > > 1983 > > Auto > > 253 > > 319 > > > Charles > > 928S2 > > 1986 > > Auto > > (204*) > > (249*) > > > Mel > > 928S4 > > 1990 > > Auto > > 254 > > 332 > > > Nic > > 928S4 > > 1990 > > Auto > > 277 > > 369 > > > Rupert > > 928GT > > 1989 > > Manual > > 318 > > 385 > > > Mark > > 928GT > > 1989 > > Manual > > 284 > > 346 > > > Scott > > 928GT > > 1991 > > Manual > > 275 > > 334 > > > Nigel > > 928GTS > > 1992 > > Manual > > 276** > > 333** > > > Alex > > 911C2 (996) > > 1999 > > Manual > > 222 > > 269 > > [* Full test not completed - oil breather problem] > > [** Bosch Hammer test revealed fault on full throttle switch, reducing top > end power] > > [Also - I think the 996 output is low - book value of 314bhp @ engine?] > > > > And so the "shoot-out competition" results were (using [actual] wheel > power): > > > > > Owner > > Car Type > > Year (reg.) > > Gearbox > > Peak Power (actual at wheels) > > > Rupert > > 928GT > > 1989 > > Manual > > 318 > > > Mark > > 928GT > > 1989 > > Manual > > 284 > > > Nic > > 928S4 > > 1990 > > Auto > > 277 > > > Nigel > > 928GTS > > 1992 > > Manual > > 276 > > > Scott > > 928GT > > 1991 > > Manual > > 275 > > > Mel > > 928S4 > > 1990 > > Auto > > 254 > > > Joe > > 928S > > 1983 > > Auto > > 253 > > > Paul > > 928S > > 1981 > > Manual > > 248 > > > Alex > > 911C2 (996) > > 1999 > > Manual > > 222 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Farman [ mailto:joe_icecool at fastmail.fm > ] > > Adrian, > > Scott took down all the figures and will be posting them, a few suprises, > some off the graphs Martin took digital photos off, i'll try and scan > mine. > > Joe 83S Auto > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:20:21 +0000 > > > > Nigel/Scott/Joe - what were the rear wheel HP's from the cars? 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My 1984 Guards Red S2 can be seen with a cycle rack and bikes every weekend around Westcott on the A25 in Surrey:) Nothing novel about loving mountain biking and speed in the form of the Uberfahrzeug (the 928) ;-) Alex 1984 Guards Red S2 Auto LSD Nordschleife Toy -----Original Message----- From: Steve Saunders [mailto:SSaunders at potato.org.uk] Sent: 09 February 2004 13:53 To: 928uk (E-mail) Subject: [928uk] Spotted Gareth Wrote: "Btw: in the last week, I have seen 5 928's in an around south county Dublin" Must be the weather Gareth. Ive seen 2 in the last 2 days - here in Lincolnshire !!!! One east bound on the A17 ( Y reg Brown "S") and today one Westbound on the A17 (J reg blue S4 - with a cycle rack and bikes !!!) novel ?!!! Steve Steve Saunders British Potato Council Sutton Bridge This message has been checked for all email viruses by the Energis NetscanCentral solution. _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ********************************************************************************************** Daiwa Securities SMBC Europe Limited, 5 King William Street, London EC4N 7AX is regulated by The Financial Services Authority and is a member of the London Stock Exchange. This message is intended solely for the individual addressee named above. The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete. Messages sent via this medium may be subject to delays, non-delivery and unauthorised alteration. 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Andrew. 84 S2. > Message date : Feb 09 2004, 02:00 PM > From : TIMCOAGF at aol.com > To : SSaunders at potato.org.uk, 928uk at 928.org.uk > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [928uk] Spotted > You missed a blue one, south bound on the A1 at 5 this morning Tim > > [ (no filename) (0.1 Kb) ] Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save ?7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Mon Feb 9 14:42:59 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:42:59 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PCGB Meet References: Message-ID: <000c01c3ef1b$062a5960$149f87d9@n7m9k7> RE: [928uk] PCGB MeetThat's about it Scott. It's organised by the guy who runs the 924 register. He mentioned it to David but we weren't interested in making it a proper 928 event as we have enough events. It is a club office open day so any member is welcome to turn up anyway. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Walker, Scott To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928UK Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] PCGB Meet I saw this in the latest Porsche Post. It's actually the 924 register that wanted to "push-back" on all the 40th anniversary 911 stuff (well, I think the guy that runs the 924 register had wanted to organise a kind of "80's water-cooled Porsche" event for some time), and have a non-911 get together. In fact, I think the idea expanded from originally just being 924's (& 944's?). So have a look under the 924 register section of PP for all the details (& also something at beginning of register section I think). Regards, Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Brierley [mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk] I have heard one or two rumours about this but no hard fact, seems a bit strange that it it's not well publicised. I think it's just a normal open day at cub office but they are making into a front engined/water-cooled event. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Layton" > I just got this from my local PCGB RO (Region 21). Anyone know anything > about this ?? Andrew ?? > > 4th Apr - Sunday FrontRunner display 11am to 3pm > If you have a front engine Porsche join in this event and if you don't > this is a chance to see them all together. Cornbury House is hosting a > front-engine Porsche gathering featuring the 924, 924 Carrera GT, 944, > 968, 928 and Cayenne Registers. ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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I'll talk to Angus to see if it can go on the website!)... but here are the results from the 928 Dyno Shoot-Out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com Mon Feb 9 15:03:07 2004 From: Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com (Phil Shotton) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:03:07 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Spotted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4027A12B.5020507@irisfinancial.com> What sort of cycle rack do you have Alex? Is it roof-mounted or on the 'tailgate'? Also, does anyone have a towball on their 928? I know all the electrics are there, but I understand the factory-fit towball was around ?1000! I think it would be pretty cool to tow my speedboat with the 928 rather than the family bus. I'd get some interesting looks towing the sheep trailer too! Phil '93 GTS auto Popov, Alex wrote: >Oi! My 1984 Guards Red S2 can be seen with a cycle rack and bikes every >weekend around Westcott on the A25 in Surrey:) Nothing novel about loving >mountain biking and speed in the form of the Uberfahrzeug (the 928) ;-) > >Alex >1984 Guards Red S2 Auto LSD >Nordschleife Toy > > > From SWalker at ndsuk.com Mon Feb 9 14:58:43 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:58:43 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: We were all asking Rupert that! The only 2 potential explanations were: i) slightly adjusted cam timing? (during head gasket replacement work done on the car) ii) centre box removal - car is pre-cat, but has also had its centre box replaced with straight-through pipes (no-cross-over). It still retains it rear box though (otherwise it'd be very loud!) Alternatively, he was very sneaky with a NOS bottle.... Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Brierley [mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk] Very interesting figures Scott, I wished I could have been there. So what's the secret of Rupert's car???? Must be the most powerful 928 in the country with an estimated 385bhp at the flywheel. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Walker, Scott To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Hi All - apologies for the slight delay (I wrote up a report with lots of piccies last night - but it ended up being 800KB... I'll talk to Angus to see if it can go on the website!)... but here are the results from the 928 Dyno Shoot-Out! ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SSaunders at potato.org.uk Mon Feb 9 15:03:14 2004 From: SSaunders at potato.org.uk (Steve Saunders) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:03:14 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Spotted Message-ID: <54E59FC84E3B86499B5CCA0C39E136C00CABC6@duke.potato.org.uk> No offence intended Alex, Its just an unusual sight perched high on the tailgate of a 928. Had to look twice! Must play havoc with the air flow over the rear wing. Ah yes, Mountain Biking in Lincolnshire that really would be novel. Steve. -----Original Message----- From: Popov, Alex [mailto:Alex.Popov at daiwasmbc.co.uk] Sent: 09 February 2004 14:13 To: 928uk (E-mail) Cc: '982uk at yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [928uk] Spotted Oi! My 1984 Guards Red S2 can be seen with a cycle rack and bikes every weekend around Westcott on the A25 in Surrey:) Nothing novel about loving mountain biking and speed in the form of the Uberfahrzeug (the 928) ;-) Alex 1984 Guards Red S2 Auto LSD Nordschleife Toy -----Original Message----- From: Steve Saunders [mailto:SSaunders at potato.org.uk] Sent: 09 February 2004 13:53 To: 928uk (E-mail) Subject: [928uk] Spotted Gareth Wrote: "Btw: in the last week, I have seen 5 928's in an around south county Dublin" Must be the weather Gareth. Ive seen 2 in the last 2 days - here in Lincolnshire !!!! One east bound on the A17 ( Y reg Brown "S") and today one Westbound on the A17 (J reg blue S4 - with a cycle rack and bikes !!!) novel ?!!! Steve Steve Saunders British Potato Council Sutton Bridge This message has been checked for all email viruses by the Energis NetscanCentral solution. _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ********************************************************************************************** Daiwa Securities SMBC Europe Limited, 5 King William Street, London EC4N 7AX is regulated by The Financial Services Authority and is a member of the London Stock Exchange. This message is intended solely for the individual addressee named above. The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete. Messages sent via this medium may be subject to delays, non-delivery and unauthorised alteration. The information contained herein has been obtained from sources we believe to be reliable but we do not represent that it is accurate or complete, and therefore, Daiwa Securities SMBC Europe Limited, its affiliates and staff cannot be held responsible or liable for the contents of this message. The foregoing is not an offer or solicitation to buy or sell any security, instrument or investment. In addition Daiwa Securities SMBC Europe Limited, or any affiliated company, may have an interest, position, or effect transactions, in any investment mentioned herein. Any opinions or recommendations expressed herein are solely those of the author or analyst. ********************************************************************************************** _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk This message has been checked for all email viruses by the Energis NetscanCentral solution. This message has been checked for all email viruses by the Energis NetscanCentral solution. From Alex.Popov at daiwasmbc.co.uk Mon Feb 9 15:04:55 2004 From: Alex.Popov at daiwasmbc.co.uk (Popov, Alex) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:04:55 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Spotted Message-ID: I bought my cycle rack from the Decathlon Sports Store in Surrey Quays Shopping Centre (SE London). It is mounted on the tail-gate with straps and has soft padding to prevent damage to the glass and paintwork. I can easily fit 3 bikes on it and at ?37 is very good value. I have seen a 928GT tow a speed boat in Germany. It was very fitting since I spotted it along the river Rhine on a bright and sunny Sunday morning... Alex 1984 Guards Red S2 Auto LSD Nordschleife Toy -----Original Message----- From: Phil Shotton [mailto:Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com] Sent: 09 February 2004 15:03 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Spotted What sort of cycle rack do you have Alex? Is it roof-mounted or on the 'tailgate'? Also, does anyone have a towball on their 928? I know all the electrics are there, but I understand the factory-fit towball was around ?1000! I think it would be pretty cool to tow my speedboat with the 928 rather than the family bus. I'd get some interesting looks towing the sheep trailer too! Phil '93 GTS auto Popov, Alex wrote: >Oi! My 1984 Guards Red S2 can be seen with a cycle rack and bikes every >weekend around Westcott on the A25 in Surrey:) Nothing novel about loving >mountain biking and speed in the form of the Uberfahrzeug (the 928) ;-) > >Alex >1984 Guards Red S2 Auto LSD >Nordschleife Toy > > > _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ********************************************************************************************** Daiwa Securities SMBC Europe Limited, 5 King William Street, London EC4N 7AX is regulated by The Financial Services Authority and is a member of the London Stock Exchange. This message is intended solely for the individual addressee named above. The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete. Messages sent via this medium may be subject to delays, non-delivery and unauthorised alteration. 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Any opinions or recommendations expressed herein are solely those of the author or analyst. ********************************************************************************************** From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Mon Feb 9 15:18:55 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:18:55 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day References: Message-ID: <003801c3ef20$0ab609c0$5064893e@n7m9k7> It really is amazing his power is so high, I think it must be NOS :-) Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Walker, Scott To: 'Andrew Brierley' ; 928UK Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day We were all asking Rupert that! The only 2 potential explanations were: i) slightly adjusted cam timing? (during head gasket replacement work done on the car) ii) centre box removal - car is pre-cat, but has also had its centre box replaced with straight-through pipes (no-cross-over). It still retains it rear box though (otherwise it'd be very loud!) Alternatively, he was very sneaky with a NOS bottle.... Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Brierley [mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk] Very interesting figures Scott, I wished I could have been there. So what's the secret of Rupert's car???? Must be the most powerful 928 in the country with an estimated 385bhp at the flywheel. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Walker, Scott To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Hi All - apologies for the slight delay (I wrote up a report with lots of piccies last night - but it ended up being 800KB... I'll talk to Angus to see if it can go on the website!)... but here are the results from the 928 Dyno Shoot-Out! ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Mon Feb 9 16:25:31 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:25:31 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Warm starts Message-ID: David, We were discussing similar symptoms at the dyno day... variations on this theme seem to be have been quite common lately. Our conclusion was a mix of slightly low battery power & engine flooding (too much fuel). Does your engine, when warm, hiccup as though about to start immediately, before going into cranking-for-England mode & then finally spluttery-start with gas-pedal-to-the-floor? Obviously the cold weather puts more strain on batteries, including reducing their performance... and some claim that you need a really strong battery voltage to fire up a 928 cleanly. If it doesn't fire up immediately, especially if its already warm (& doesn't need super-rich mixture), it can flood. If you haven't cranked it for too long, then gas-pedal flat-on-the-floor should get it going without any undue spluttering & hunting. The only other option is leaving it for a good few hours to cool down, so that a slightly rich mixture becomes preferable! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: David Hogarth [mailto:davidhogarth66 at hotmail.com] Sent: 08 February 2004 15:01 To: '928 list' Subject: [928uk] Warm starts My 91 S4 starts great from cold (whether its been left overnight, a week or a fortnight) but anytime up to 5 hours after its had a reasonable run (anything over a few minutes) it only kicks into action with the accelerator pressed hard and then only after cranking over for quite a while. Once it does start the revs surge and drop (between nearly 0 and 1,100) for the first minute or so and if I take my foot off the pedal during this period it will invariably stall. After a minute the revs steady at just under 1000 and its fine. It hasnt yet failed to start at all but it does seem to be only a matter of time. Any thoughts ? Thanks David ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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I played around cleaning up the contacts though and having filled the tank up, the gauge is reading three quarters, ( as they do ) so it might be OK now. I'll see if it moves as I go ! Keeping an eye on the trip though, don't want to run out again ! Cheers. Hans. 91 S4 87 S4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Chadwick" To: "Hans928" Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Scare ! > Hans928 wrote: > > > > Check the obvious is the motto - gauge / sender knackered - > > something else for the eternal list ! > > Hi Hans, I reckon you and 80% of all 928 owners -- with the gauge > not accurate at the extremes. > From LeighColdwell at aol.com Mon Feb 9 17:29:19 2004 From: LeighColdwell at aol.com (LeighColdwell at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:29:19 EST Subject: [928uk] 928 Spotted Message-ID: <1e7.1916d264.2d591d6f@aol.com> M42 on Sat 31st Jan around lunchtime, JPK 4XXV, blue........ following a White 944 turbo, exchanged waves........ anyone? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net Mon Feb 9 18:13:43 2004 From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:13:43 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like everyone had a great time, well done Scott! Shame I couldn't have been there. I'm always amazed at the predicted power loss through the drivetrain - in the 928's case it's about the total output of a 'normal' car engine! Kingsley -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Walker, Scott Sent: 09 February 2004 12:01 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Hi All - apologies for the slight delay (I wrote up a report with lots of piccies last night - but it ended up being 800KB... I'll talk to Angus to see if it can go on the website!)... but here are the results from the 928 Dyno Shoot-Out! From mab at redhat.com Mon Feb 9 18:25:35 2004 From: mab at redhat.com (Mark Baker) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:25:35 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200402091200.i19C06212497@raq01.multizone.co.uk> References: <200402091200.i19C06212497@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: <4027D09F.2050407@redhat.com> >[Also - I think the 996 output is low - book value of 314bhp @ engine?] > > > Alex had a call from Aussie Chris at G-Force on the way home - much to Alex's relief the test was incorrect and therefore inconclusive. G-Force had examined the setup once we'd departed as they were confused as to why the result was low but the diags showed no faults. A free retest has been offered to compensate for the half hour of heart failure caused. A top day out though and seeing a 996 appear to perform badly just added to the enjoyment. :-) Mark From adrian928 at tesco.net Mon Feb 9 20:05:20 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:05:20 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <20040209200520.VGJJ6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Interesting info Scott and well done for organising the day. Was CO measured aswell at full throttle? I think there are a couple of rogue results in there though - its just impossible for a relatively standard Gt like Ruperts to have nearly 20% over standard - I reckon the car must have been in the wrong gear or something - I seem to remember he only did about 15 secs at the Pod? Anyway sorry I couldn't be there and look forward to the full report. Adrian > From: "Walker, Scott" > Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 12:01:29 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > From adrian928 at tesco.net Mon Feb 9 20:10:22 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:10:22 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 13 Message-ID: <20040209201022.VRQT6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> ??? Does that mean other results were faulty then Mark? Adrian > > From: Mark Baker > Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 06:25:35 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Re: 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 13 > > > >[Also - I think the 996 output is low - book value of 314bhp @ engine?] > > > > > > > Alex had a call from Aussie Chris at G-Force on the way home - much to > Alex's relief the test was incorrect and therefore inconclusive. G-Force > had examined the setup once we'd departed as they were confused as to > why the result was low but the diags showed no faults. A free retest has > been offered to compensate for the half hour of heart failure caused. > > A top day out though and seeing a 996 appear to perform badly just added > to the enjoyment. :-) > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From Andy_Moyes at bankofscotland.co.uk Mon Feb 9 20:18:50 2004 From: Andy_Moyes at bankofscotland.co.uk (Andy_Moyes at bankofscotland.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:18:50 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Chargers Message-ID: <000001c3ef49$ee30ea20$ae312952@Jasmine> Looking for suggestions. Any advice on a good charger which can be left on to maintain charge. Halfords have 20% of up here and seem to have a good one for approx ?35. Any suggestion would be most appreciated. cheers Simon 93 GTS, Edinburgh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestion would be most appreciated. cheers Simon 93 GTS, Edinburgh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.peach at virgin.net Mon Feb 9 21:29:40 2004 From: donald.peach at virgin.net (Donald Peach) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:29:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] March edition Classic Cars For Sale. Message-ID: <000801c3ef53$d502f250$b40dff3e@administlqfs68> Anyone else seen the latest Classic Cars For Sale article on the 928? Some minor errors in the reporting of the various models and, I think perhaps, the price to be paid, but the conclusion seems fair and accurate to me as a new (?naive) owner. "A bad 928 is a thirsty, morale sapping money pit on wheels, but a good one (and there are many around at keen prices, we might add) makes a rare, interesting and highly desirable performance grand tourer. Its fast, innovative, beautifully built possessed of a certain panache thats well up to Ferrari standards. It might not be a 911 - it probably won't be worth as much - but for the discerning few that might be part of its appeal. Just buy from a GOOD specialist for peace of mind." Classic Cars For Sale (March 2004. p122-123) Regards, Don. 88' Manual. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gareth.northwood at virgin.net Mon Feb 9 21:57:47 2004 From: gareth.northwood at virgin.net (Gareth Northwood) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:57:47 -0000 Subject: [928uk] owner/car/location update Message-ID: <002501c3ef57$c1a4c4a0$bb04fd3e@1> Hello all, http://www.928.org.uk/~go928 What a good day for photo updates on the owner/car pages! Well done to Adrian for doubling the 928 population in Cambridgeshire and both SE's as well! Mike Dawe and Don Peach have given us a treat on the colours. Mike's chocolate brown 928 looks very appetising and just as good but rarer still is Don's S4 in non-standard maraschino red. Thanks all, keep the pics and details coming. Gareth _____________ New, Changed & Pics Added: Adrian Clark (x2) Don Peach Lee Sugden Michael Peatfield Mike Dawe Ben Butcher From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Mon Feb 9 22:09:01 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:09:01 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Chargers References: <000001c3ef49$ee30ea20$ae312952@Jasmine> <009501c3ef4f$0c77d2a0$fc4526d4@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <001b01c3ef59$54521860$ccc74c51@BRIERLEY> I agree, I have been using Carcoon charges for a number of years. Look at http://www.carcoon.com/. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Watson To: Andy_Moyes at bankofscotland.co.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Chargers Pay a bit more & get the Carcoon Battery Conditioner, it's by far the best & safe to leave on for long periods. Forty something pounds I think. Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy_Moyes at bankofscotland.co.uk To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: [928uk] Chargers Looking for suggestions. Any advice on a good charger which can be left on to maintain charge. Halfords have 20% of up here and seem to have a good one for approx ?35. Any suggestion would be most appreciated. cheers Simon 93 GTS, Edinburgh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Mon Feb 9 23:27:43 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:27:43 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Spotted In-Reply-To: <4027A12B.5020507@irisfinancial.com> Message-ID: <200402092327.i19NRiHV014075@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Phil Shotton wrote: > > Also, does anyone have a towball on their 928? I know all the electrics > are there, but I understand the factory-fit towball was around ?1000! > I think it would be pretty cool to tow my speedboat with the 928 rather > than the family bus. I'd get some interesting looks towing the sheep > trailer too! Saw a photo once of a Bentley Continental with a matching caravan by the same coach builder as the car. Very suave! -- Phil The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote (for men). -- Dave Barry From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Tue Feb 10 00:09:57 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:09:57 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Tank capacity In-Reply-To: <7OkHBEBrC1JAFwkM@ritech-systems.com> Message-ID: <200402100009.i1A09wcS026398@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Richard Armstrong wrote: > Phil > Are your miles the same as ours in Aus - I can get about 400 miles out > of a tank without driving like a coffin dodger. Arh. We have colonial metric miles.... and measure distance in either hours or days/trip. The last significant trip I did was 2465 miles (3967 km) in 8 days. Used 484.8 L of 98 RON fuel and 750 ml of Mobil 1 15W50. Did 12.2 L/100 km (23.1 mpg), mostly (90%) cruising at the speed limit of 100 kph + 8%. The other 10% explains why I didn't get 30 mpg. However, I rarely get much more than 300 miles from a tank in city cycle. My excuse is that I have big feet and always wear (heavy) boots. > Also the digital display for Miles available is amazingly accurate - > almost uncannily so, better than any other I have come across. > I seem to be lucky in that the gauge works properly as well! Digital display suggests newish 928. Lucky sod. Give it time for the muck to deposit in the tank! -- Phil Never say anything unless it is kind, necessary and true. From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Tue Feb 10 06:24:11 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:24:11 GMT Subject: [928uk] Spotted Message-ID: <8e50d6c7.fcf36e8.81d7500@mail05.onetel.net.uk> Mine's got a tow-bar (and a bicycle rack that mounts on it). Towing the speed boat is OK, but not as cool as another 928 on a trailer. I think I got mine from Watling. Smiffy From mcclean20 at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 10 07:24:05 2004 From: mcclean20 at ntlworld.com (Rmac) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:24:05 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In-Reply-To: <20040209200520.VGJJ6359.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Message-ID: <009901c3efa6$ddce4bc0$6401a8c0@WHITNEY> Getting worried are you SE? As for Pod times Rupert could just be crap of the line... and mid way... and exit speed :o) Mac -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net Sent: 09 February 2004 20:05 To: Walker, Scott; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Interesting info Scott and well done for organising the day. Was CO measured aswell at full throttle? I think there are a couple of rogue results in there though - its just impossible for a relatively standard Gt like Ruperts to have nearly 20% over standard - I reckon the car must have been in the wrong gear or something - I seem to remember he only did about 15 secs at the Pod? Anyway sorry I couldn't be there and look forward to the full report. Adrian > From: "Walker, Scott" > Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 12:01:29 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk Tue Feb 10 08:29:57 2004 From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:29:57 +0000 Subject: [928uk] central unlocking Message-ID: Seems the gremlins have tracked me down. Sure this one was discussed recently but can't remember the outcome. Drivers door locks and then immediately unlocks by itself. Doesn't turn off the alarm, just pops the lock button back up. Strangely it does this exactly 6 times in a row and then stays locked on the 7th go. The problem must be directly linked to me unbolting the door lock cylinder before trying (unsuccessfully) to remove it. Problem started almost immediately after. Have heard 'micro switches' referred to. Presumably something now out of adjustment and requiring a door card removal job on a sunny weekend? Any advice appreciated! Gareth. ___________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________________ From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk Tue Feb 10 08:39:55 2004 From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:39:55 +0000 Subject: [928uk] rare colours Message-ID: Hi all, Quizzed Mike on his marvelous brown machine and turns out it's also a rather special non-standard colour and combined with cream leather and 'like driving a choc ice'. Seems like we've got 2 rare colours in one update. -original message- "Mike Dawe and Don Peach have given us a treat on the colours. Mike's chocolate brown 928 looks very appetising and just as good but rarer still is Don's S4 in non-standard maraschino red." ___________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________________ From charles.vanasma at tesco.net Tue Feb 10 08:40:57 2004 From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (charles.vanasma at tesco.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 8:40:57 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <20040210084057.WNVT5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Adrian You should have been there,the car was in the correct gear. I would like to see Rupert up against your SE at the POD in April. Charles 928 S2 86 > > From: "Rmac" > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue AM 07:24:05 GMT > To: , "'Walker, Scott'" , > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > Getting worried are you SE? As for Pod times Rupert could just be crap > of the line... and mid way... and exit speed :o) > Mac > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On > Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net > Sent: 09 February 2004 20:05 > To: Walker, Scott; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > Interesting info Scott and well done for organising the day. Was CO > measured aswell at full throttle? > > I think there are a couple of rogue results in there though - its just > impossible for a relatively standard Gt like Ruperts to have nearly 20% > over standard - I reckon the car must have been in the wrong gear or > something - I seem to remember he only did about 15 secs at the Pod? > > Anyway sorry I couldn't be there and look forward to the full report. > > Adrian > > > From: "Walker, Scott" > > Date: 2004/02/09 Mon PM 12:01:29 GMT > > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > > Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From charles.vanasma at tesco.net Tue Feb 10 08:52:00 2004 From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (charles.vanasma at tesco.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 8:52:00 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding Message-ID: <20040210085200.XHEU5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Guys I am about to bid for this item on Ebay, but will not bid if someone else is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454839870&category=26432 Charles 928 S2 86 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark From kal at funkychimp.com Tue Feb 10 09:30:34 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:30:34 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding In-Reply-To: <20040210085200.XHEU5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Message-ID: <002501c3efb8$8c5b9920$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> Bugger the bidding has ended, I was going to have a dabble -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of charles.vanasma at tesco.net Sent: 10 February 2004 08:52 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding Guys I am about to bid for this item on Ebay, but will not bid if someone else is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454839870&cat egory=26432 Charles 928 S2 86 From mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com Tue Feb 10 09:26:24 2004 From: mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com (mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:26:24 +0000 Subject: [928uk] central unlocking Message-ID: I'm interested in this too - mine has started to do exactly the same in the past few days, without any fiddling about with the door locks. I have to lock both doors with the key. I haven't tried it seven times - maybe I should. Mel Internet Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk@928.org.uk - 10/02/2004 08:29 Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk To: 928uk cc: Subject: [928uk] central unlocking Seems the gremlins have tracked me down. Sure this one was discussed recently but can't remember the outcome. Drivers door locks and then immediately unlocks by itself. Doesn't turn off the alarm, just pops the lock button back up. Strangely it does this exactly 6 times in a row and then stays locked on the 7th go. The problem must be directly linked to me unbolting the door lock cylinder before trying (unsuccessfully) to remove it. Problem started almost immediately after. Have heard 'micro switches' referred to. Presumably something now out of adjustment and requiring a door card removal job on a sunny weekend? Any advice appreciated! 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From ddevilder at datamonitor.com Tue Feb 10 09:43:10 2004 From: ddevilder at datamonitor.com (Diederik de Vilder) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:43:10 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding Message-ID: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD201B4E19C@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com> Ok Charles, I will refrain, on the condition that you hold a 928 meeting on your new purchase. regards, Diederik -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of charles.vanasma at tesco.net Sent: 10 February 2004 08:52 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding Guys I am about to bid for this item on Ebay, but will not bid if someone else is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454839870&category=26432 Charles 928 S2 86 _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses through the MessageLabs Virus Control Center. 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From info at nicolastyearchitects.co.uk Tue Feb 10 09:30:41 2004 From: info at nicolastyearchitects.co.uk (nicolas tye) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:30:41 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding In-Reply-To: <20040210085200.XHEU5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Message-ID: > Charles > > Excellent ! > > I could only stretch to 50%-50% ! , if you are interested charles ;-) > Was your idea to get a big 928 meet and then visit somewhere further a field ? > > Nic Tye > > > > > > Guys > > I am about to bid for this item on Ebay, but will not bid > if someone else is interested. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454839870&categ > ory=26432 > > Charles 928 S2 86 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Charles s2 86 > > From: "Diederik de Vilder" > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue AM 09:43:10 GMT > To: , > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: RE: [928uk] Ebay bidding > > Ok Charles, > > I will refrain, on the condition that you hold a 928 meeting on your new purchase. > > regards, > > Diederik > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of charles.vanasma at tesco.net > Sent: 10 February 2004 08:52 > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding > > > Guys > > I am about to bid for this item on Ebay, but will not bid > if someone else is interested. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454839870&category=26432 > > Charles 928 S2 86 > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This message has been checked for all known viruses through the MessageLabs Virus Control Center. > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Do you have to cut through rear panel? Phil smiffypr at onetel.net.uk wrote: >Mine's got a tow-bar (and a bicycle rack that mounts on it). >Towing the speed boat is OK, but not as cool as another 928 >on a trailer. > >I think I got mine from Watling. > >Smiffy > > > From SWalker at ndsuk.com Tue Feb 10 10:55:21 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:55:21 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: Kingsley - it's worth stressing that it is the power at the wheels that is actually measured on the dyno, and some ratio figure [dependent on car type, engine type, gearbox type...] is used to guess at what the engine power is, giving an estimated drivetrain power loss... I must say, I'm still confused how the estimated drivetrain power loss appeared to vary so much on our test day, "manual-to-manual" & "auto-to-auto", let alone across all the cars. Now that I've compiled the "results table", I will send it to G-Force and let them come up with an explanation! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team [mailto:kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net] I'm always amazed at the predicted power loss through the drivetrain - in the 928's case it's about the total output of a 'normal' car engine! Kingsley ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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It sounds like he didn't change/dyno PC wouldn't change one of its 928 settings before testing the 996! Let me know the updated figure when Alex goes back for his retest. Anyway, as you say... it was good for the soul to see the 996 below all the 928's on the day, even if it was a dodgy reading! ;-) Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Mark Baker [mailto:mab at redhat.com] >[Also - I think the 996 output is low - book value of 314bhp @ engine?] > Alex had a call from Aussie Chris at G-Force on the way home - much to Alex's relief the test was incorrect and therefore inconclusive. G-Force had examined the setup once we'd departed as they were confused as to why the result was low but the diags showed no faults. A free retest has been offered to compensate for the half hour of heart failure caused. A top day out though and seeing a 996 appear to perform badly just added to the enjoyment. :-) Mark ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Tue Feb 10 12:26:10 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:26:10 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Reminder for Porsche 928 Spring Weekend - Beaulieu Message-ID: <003c01c3efd1$1cc54700$43bd87d9@n7m9k7> The numbers for this event are steadily rising, we have over 60 car listed for Sunday May 23rd at Beaulieu. With over 3 months to go, we are still hoping to break the 100 barrier in number of 928s attending The location for the event has to be one of the best in the country. Beaulieu is located in the heart of the New Forrest. This area is one of the most picturesque regions of England. The National Motor museum has a great deal to offer within the grounds. Besides the Motor Museum which is of great interest to motoring enthusiasts there is the splendid stately home which is steeped in history. Please see http://www.beaulieu.co.uk for further information. The 928s will be displayed inside the museum grounds in the Events Arena adjacent to the main National Motor Museum building. Admission to this area will be pre-booked special windscreen pass only. Discounted tickets are available to those with a 928 on display, including all passengers. If you wish to attend please contact Rob Burrell (e-mail 928 at robburrell.co.uk or fax 01489 578883) with details of your car (model and colour) and people attending. Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rupert.Stanley at abros.co.uk Tue Feb 10 12:52:44 2004 From: Rupert.Stanley at abros.co.uk (Rupert Stanley) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:52:44 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <028CE5D6E4BEDD4481087C357F3B9486166BF4@abros01.ABROS.LOCAL> Must be the Methy Amyl Nitrite I sneakily put in earlier ;-) No, seriously, no dodgy stuff, I was as surprised as everyone else. The only thing I did do was put in half a tank of Optimax, but that was on top of half a tank of cheapo normal unleaded (probably BP 95 octane stuff). I would put it down to two things: - maybe the rumour about the 89 GT being more powerful are true (it would have been interesting to get an SE on there at the same time) - I had the top end rebuilt about a couple of years ago after a head gasket blew and I guess that the cam timing was sorted upon the rebuild. Comparing before and after this, before the angle of the speedo and rev needles was virtually identical in top gear, afterwards, the speedo needle moves further than the rev counter needle. Despite the apparent power difference, the car is not noticeably quicker on the road. Admittedly, when Scott clogged it on the way to the pub, I was not expecting it, Joe was and kept up with him, when I reacted, I only seemed to roughly keep pace rather than visibly gaining (all very unscientific of course!). Rupert (still grinning!) -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com] Sent: 09 February 2004 14:59 To: 'Andrew Brierley'; 928UK Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day We were all asking Rupert that! The only 2 potential explanations were: i) slightly adjusted cam timing? (during head gasket replacement work done on the car) ii) centre box removal - car is pre-cat, but has also had its centre box replaced with straight-through pipes (no-cross-over). It still retains it rear box though (otherwise it'd be very loud!) Alternatively, he was very sneaky with a NOS bottle.... Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Brierley [mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk] Very interesting figures Scott, I wished I could have been there. So what's the secret of Rupert's car???? Must be the most powerful 928 in the country with an estimated 385bhp at the flywheel. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Walker, Scott To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Hi All - apologies for the slight delay (I wrote up a report with lots of piccies last night - but it ended up being 800KB... I'll talk to Angus to see if it can go on the website!)... but here are the results from the 928 Dyno Shoot-Out! ======================================================================= Scanned for virus infection by Messagelabs ======================================================================= ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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URL: From richard at frontline-display.co.uk Tue Feb 10 13:42:18 2004 From: richard at frontline-display.co.uk (Richard Pearce) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:42:18 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Spotted Message-ID: <002001c3efdb$b4342b60$2000000a@richard> lunch time today in Bath 12.45... light metallic blue S coming up Pennyquick hill, Twerton... was in black Focus waving franticly from passenger seat as driver thought i was having a fit !... anyone,... this is now 4 i have seen locally... looks like some recruiting is needed !... Rich '87 Strosek From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Tue Feb 10 13:38:27 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:38:27 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Reminder for Porsche 928 Spring Weekend - Beaulieu References: <003c01c3efd1$1cc54700$43bd87d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <011c01c3efdb$2a37eb90$5d17d2d5@ThinkPad> Well done Andrew. This will be a really great event. Can't wait! All the best Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928UK Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [928uk] Reminder for Porsche 928 Spring Weekend - Beaulieu The numbers for this event are steadily rising, we have over 60 car listed for Sunday May 23rd at Beaulieu. With over 3 months to go, we are still hoping to break the 100 barrier in number of 928s attending The location for the event has to be one of the best in the country. Beaulieu is located in the heart of the New Forrest. This area is one of the most picturesque regions of England. The National Motor museum has a great deal to offer within the grounds. Besides the Motor Museum which is of great interest to motoring enthusiasts there is the splendid stately home which is steeped in history. Please see http://www.beaulieu.co.uk for further information. The 928s will be displayed inside the museum grounds in the Events Arena adjacent to the main National Motor Museum building. Admission to this area will be pre-booked special windscreen pass only. Discounted tickets are available to those with a 928 on display, including all passengers. If you wish to attend please contact Rob Burrell (e-mail 928 at robburrell.co.uk or fax 01489 578883) with details of your car (model and colour) and people attending. Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at frontline-display.co.uk Tue Feb 10 14:13:20 2004 From: richard at frontline-display.co.uk (Richard Pearce) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:13:20 -0000 Subject: [928uk] set of wheels for lending ?... Message-ID: <002801c3efe0$09ee22a0$2000000a@richard> anyone got a spare set of wheels to lend ?... mine are off to be refurbished and i would like a set for the car to sit on for 4 to 6 weeks... will not be driven, just garaged, until return of the wheels. literally, anything as the car needs to be pushed into the garage... please contact me off list. many thanks, Cheers, Rich '87 Strosek ______________________________________ Richard Pearce Design Director Frontline Display International Ltd 8-9 Avon Buildings, Lower Bristol road Bath BA2 1ES United Kingdom t. +44 (0) 1225 321 900 t. direct 1225 321 921 f. +44 (0) 1225 321 901 m. +44 (0) 7876 686 218 w. www.frontlinedisplay.com This message contains confidential information and is intended for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Does anyone know where I can get replacement oil coolers, one for the engine and one for the auto box. Both of these are situated inside the original radiator. I have located a replacement core for the water side of the rad for ?140+ vat inc fitting but I need the oil coolers, or I will have to run these externally which is simple enough to do but I would like to retain the original fitting. A complete new rad is about ?800 and the money could be spent better else where...... I have spoken to Paul Anderson who did say I could manage to run without the engine oil cooler as he has this system running on his 28. Any ideas appreciated, but I don't want to fit a second hand one! Richard Hacker EDS Desktop Engineer From SWalker at ndsuk.com Tue Feb 10 15:14:01 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:14:01 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: Hi Adrian, Unfortunately the dyno tech, 'Aussie' Chris Davies, explained that their CO sensor had been taken out by a mains power surge/spike that hit that area the previous week. Normally measurements would include CO, but they were waiting on a replacement part to be shipped from Oz where the dyno manufacturer is (their dyno: www.dyno.com.au/lby.htm , shootout mode we used: www.dyno.com.au/shootout.htm) G-Force have admitted that the 996 measurement (at the end with different settings to the rest of the day) was erroneous & have invited Alex back for a free re-test. As for the other results - I think most are good, given the accuracy claims of the dyno manufacturer. The Rupert result does stand out as though it is "rogue", but Chris spent a long time testing & re-testing Rupert's GT. He must have had about 8 runs on the dyno. The peak figures were repeated to within a few hp. Definitely not in the wrong gear! My GT showed 274.6bhp at the wheels, and posted a 14.3 sec Pod time last April. So that stacks up in my mind. And in "shootout" dyno mode lots of parameters are locked down to prevent erroneous data entries between cars. So I can't explain the Rupert GT figures, but it was nothing obvious if it was an error! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: adrian928 at tesco.net [mailto:adrian928 at tesco.net] Interesting info Scott and well done for organising the day. Was CO measured aswell at full throttle? I think there are a couple of rogue results in there though - its just impossible for a relatively standard Gt like Ruperts to have nearly 20% over standard - I reckon the car must have been in the wrong gear or something - I seem to remember he only did about 15 secs at the Pod? Adrian ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Tue Feb 10 15:18:36 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:18:36 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 13 Message-ID: Adrian - as per my other mail, the 928's were all done together in a "shootout" mode on the dyno settings, with the 996 being done at the end with different settings. Looks to me like one of the "new" settings was erroneous! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: adrian928 at tesco.net [mailto:adrian928 at tesco.net] ??? Does that mean other results were faulty then Mark? Adrian > > From: Mark Baker > > >[Also - I think the 996 output is low - book value of 314bhp @ engine?] > > > Alex had a call from Aussie Chris at G-Force on the way home - much to > Alex's relief the test was incorrect and therefore inconclusive. G-Force > had examined the setup once we'd departed as they were confused as to > why the result was low but the diags showed no faults. A free retest has > been offered to compensate for the half hour of heart failure caused. > > Mark ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Tue Feb 10 15:18:55 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:18:55 EST Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <130.2af1aa61.2d5a505f@aol.com> In a message dated 10/02/04 15:15:00 GMT Standard Time, SWalker at ndsuk.com writes: > As for the other results - I think most are good, given the accuracy claims > of the dyno manufacturer. The Rupert result does stand out as though it is > "rogue", but Chris spent a long time testing &re-testing Rupert's GT. He must > have had about 8 runs on the dyno. The peak figures were repeated to within a > few hp. Definitely not in the wrong gear! > > My GT showed 274.6bhp at the wheels, and posted a 14.3 sec Pod time last > April. So that stacks up in my mind. And in "shootout" dyno mode lots of > parameters are locked down to prevent erroneous data entries between cars. So I > can't explain the Rupert GT figures, but it was nothing obvious if it was an > error! Hi Scott, There's a thread on Rennlist about a 928 GT that measured 331rwhp at a recent dyno day in the USA. The car had lots of modifications ! I find the G Force figure for Rupert's GT very hard to believe in this instance John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RoyGA at aol.com Tue Feb 10 15:29:12 2004 From: RoyGA at aol.com (RoyGA at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:29:12 -0500 Subject: [928uk] Door lock troubles - popping up plungers Message-ID: <0A888002.4ABFB6C4.00010BDA@aol.com> Re: Door locking problem : > The problem must be directly linked to me unbolting the door lock cylinder before trying (unsuccessfully) to remove it. Problem started almost immediately after. < I had the same problem - turned out to be a semi-siezed/ knackered door latch mechanism in the PASSENGER's (!) door. Had AFN replace it as it made the car insecure - not too expensive either ISTR. Regards, Roy 88 S4 Auto Black/black teardrops cups From SWalker at ndsuk.com Tue Feb 10 15:57:00 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:57:00 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: John - here is a list of the results by "running order". The "high" results were not clustered together, so this at least discounts an erroneous setting adjustment half-way through proceedings. Scott '91 GT Running Order Owner Car Type Year (reg.) Gearbox Peak Power (actual at wheels) 1 Paul 928S 1981 Manual 248 2 Nic 928S4 1990 Auto 277 3 Charles 928S2 1986 Auto (204*) 4 Mel 928S4 1990 Auto 254 5 Joe 928S 1983 Auto 253 6 Mark 928GT 1989 Manual 284 7 Nigel 928GTS 1992 Manual 276** 8 Scott 928GT 1991 Manual 275 9 Rupert 928GT 1989 Manual 318 10 Alex 911C2 (996) 1999 Manual 222*** [* Full test not completed - oil breather problem] [** Bosch Hammer test revealed fault on full throttle switch, reducing top end power] [*** G-Force now believe the dyno setup/reading was incorrect for this test] -----Original Message----- From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [mailto:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com] In a message dated 10/02/04 15:15:00 GMT Standard Time, SWalker at ndsuk.com writes: As for the other results - I think most are good, given the accuracy claims of the dyno manufacturer. The Rupert result does stand out as though it is "rogue", but Chris spent a long time testing &re-testing Rupert's GT. He must have had about 8 runs on the dyno. The peak figures were repeated to within a few hp. Definitely not in the wrong gear! My GT showed 274.6bhp at the wheels, and posted a 14.3 sec Pod time last April. So that stacks up in my mind. And in "shootout" dyno mode lots of parameters are locked down to prevent erroneous data entries between cars. So I can't explain the Rupert GT figures, but it was nothing obvious if it was an error! Hi Scott, There's a thread on Rennlist about a 928 GT that measured 331rwhp at a recent dyno day in the USA. The car had lots of modifications ! I find the G Force figure for Rupert's GT very hard to believe in this instance John ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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URL: From richard at frontline-display.co.uk Tue Feb 10 16:26:47 2004 From: richard at frontline-display.co.uk (Richard Pearce) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:26:47 -0000 Subject: [928uk] luggage cover In-Reply-To: <1d0.1932124a.2d5a5c18@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c3eff2$ae55ab80$2000000a@richard> Hans, on the list may have one for sale... if you twist his arm ! Rich '87 Strosek -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of MARKBIRRI at aol.com Sent: 10 February 2004 16:09 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] luggage cover Hi all,does anybody know of where i could get the soft, luggage cover blind (in blue or possibly black) for my 88s4 auto? OPC quote 6-8 weeks wait and 600ish GBP! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan_b at mac.com Tue Feb 10 16:25:24 2004 From: alan_b at mac.com (Alan Baldwin) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:25:24 +0000 Subject: [928uk] luggage cover In-Reply-To: <1d0.1932124a.2d5a5c18@aol.com> References: <1d0.1932124a.2d5a5c18@aol.com> Message-ID: I bought mine mail order from the US. www.davidhonl.com a month or two ago. It's lovely, came with all the bits. Now on at Sale price $219. Shipping was extra, plus tax at point of entry to the UK (I had to write the parcelforce man a cheque for about ?24 if i remember). They do black, navyblue, brwon and bergundy. The pound is strong against the dollar, and it was here inside a week. Couldn't have been happier. Alan 89GT On 10 Feb 2004, at 16:08, MARKBIRRI at aol.com wrote: > Hi all,does anybody know of where i could get the soft, luggage cover > blind (in blue or possibly black) for my 88s4 auto?? OPC quote 6-8 > weeks wait and 600ish > GBP!_______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 885 bytes Desc: not available URL: From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Tue Feb 10 17:18:14 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:18:14 EST Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <1cf.194bda6e.2d5a6c56@aol.com> Yes, Scott, I did see both sets of graphs.............if you look at figures from the US dyno days, that have appeared several times over the years, I've never seen a standard GT at that power. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com Tue Feb 10 18:07:54 2004 From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:07:54 -0000 Subject: [928uk] central unlocking References: Message-ID: <028c01c3f000$d05b0c80$2ad57ad5@hppav> Gareth Micro-switches are on the rear of the lock cylinders. These switches are operated by movement of the key in the lock or the central locking actuators in each door via a nylon bushed linkage - depends on the side you're locking from. To lock the car, both switches must move into the locked position, one via the key, the other by the central locking actuator. You could have a defective switch or a problem with a linkage. Suspect the latter as you've adjusted the position of the lock cylinder. Does the problem only occur when locking from one side? If so, check the opposite door first, i.e. the one being locked by the central locking rather than the key. Check both lock cylinders for tightness before taking a door apart. David '90 S4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Northwood" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: [928uk] central unlocking > Seems the gremlins have tracked me down. Sure this one was discussed > recently but can't remember the outcome. > > Drivers door locks and then immediately unlocks by itself. Doesn't > turn off the alarm, just pops the lock button back up. Strangely it > does this exactly 6 times in a row and then stays locked on the 7th go. > > > The problem must be directly linked to me unbolting the door lock > cylinder before trying (unsuccessfully) to remove it. Problem started > almost immediately after. Have heard 'micro switches' referred to. > Presumably something now out of adjustment and requiring a door card > removal job on a sunny weekend? > > Any advice appreciated! > > Gareth. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System > on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > http://www.messagelabs.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From chrisclark at madasafish.com Tue Feb 10 18:06:18 2004 From: chrisclark at madasafish.com (Chris Clark) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:06:18 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Classic Cars For Sale Message-ID: <002a01c3f004$4dc075e0$0ed42f50@oemcomputer> "Classic Cars For Sale" magazine has an article on the 928 in the March issue (and I thought it was still early February). The car featured is a 928 GT, and the main point the author makes is how expensive they can be if things go wrong. In all, the two pages of text are of little value, except for an embarrassing error regarding the construction of the engine block! 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Rupert -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com] Sent: 10 February 2004 15:14 To: 'adrian928 at tesco.net'; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Hi Adrian, Unfortunately the dyno tech, 'Aussie' Chris Davies, explained that their CO sensor had been taken out by a mains power surge/spike that hit that area the previous week. Normally measurements would include CO, but they were waiting on a replacement part to be shipped from Oz where the dyno manufacturer is (their dyno: www.dyno.com.au/lby.htm , shootout mode we used: www.dyno.com.au/shootout.htm) G-Force have admitted that the 996 measurement (at the end with different settings to the rest of the day) was erroneous & have invited Alex back for a free re-test. As for the other results - I think most are good, given the accuracy claims of the dyno manufacturer. The Rupert result does stand out as though it is "rogue", but Chris spent a long time testing & re-testing Rupert's GT. He must have had about 8 runs on the dyno. The peak figures were repeated to within a few hp. Definitely not in the wrong gear! My GT showed 274.6bhp at the wheels, and posted a 14.3 sec Pod time last April. So that stacks up in my mind. And in "shootout" dyno mode lots of parameters are locked down to prevent erroneous data entries between cars. So I can't explain the Rupert GT figures, but it was nothing obvious if it was an error! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: adrian928 at tesco.net [ mailto:adrian928 at tesco.net] Interesting info Scott and well done for organising the day. Was CO measured aswell at full throttle? I think there are a couple of rogue results in there though - its just impossible for a relatively standard Gt like Ruperts to have nearly 20% over standard - I reckon the car must have been in the wrong gear or something - I seem to remember he only did about 15 secs at the Pod? Adrian ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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URL: From andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 10 21:06:59 2004 From: andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk (Andy Boardman) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:06:59 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Radiator replacement References: <97620CFB3E430F46979E465A126204DF126398@UKBHM201> Message-ID: <014e01c3f019$e60e4790$40c1edc1@BOARDMAN> Richard - evening A local chap near to me has quoted me ?240 for a full replacement radiator - I believe complete with oil coolers - maybe you should give him a ring . KB Radiators - Hawkhurst, Kent 01580 753801 - mention my name - he has done some work for me in the past and I mentioned the list etc to him. Regards..............Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hacker, Richard W" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: [928uk] Radiator replacement Hi, my radiator has died, it is leaking water and both oil coolers are knackered as well. Does anyone know where I can get replacement oil coolers, one for the engine and one for the auto box. Both of these are situated inside the original radiator. I have located a replacement core for the water side of the rad for ?140+ vat inc fitting but I need the oil coolers, or I will have to run these externally which is simple enough to do but I would like to retain the original fitting. A complete new rad is about ?800 and the money could be spent better else where...... I have spoken to Paul Anderson who did say I could manage to run without the engine oil cooler as he has this system running on his 28. Any ideas appreciated, but I don't want to fit a second hand one! Richard Hacker EDS Desktop Engineer _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From adrian928 at tesco.net Tue Feb 10 21:13:02 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:13:02 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <20040210211302.EEZZ5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> Well I was quicker than the other Gt's last year, but none had Ruperts 385bhp so looking forward to seeing Rupert at the Pod (my best was 14.1/103mph and more to come). If you take the total time and deduct the 60feet time, this gives a better indication of the true power as it removes the wheelspin/poor start. Rupert/Scott do you remember your 60feet time? A blue printed engine from the factory will only add another 20bhp - maybe 30bhp at the flywheel over standard (see Autocar race review 24 Dec 1983). I just can't see anyway to get more than that with normal engine changes - if I could I would. Based on a number of performance meter tests I've done, I don't think an SE will have an output of more than 340-345, (though I have seen one advertised as having 380). A race prepared GT which was chipped with a performance exhaust and different timing was measured at 350bhp. Adrian > > From: > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue AM 08:40:57 GMT > To: "Rmac" , , "'Walker, Scott'" , <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > Adrian > > You should have been there,the car was in the correct gear. > I would like to see Rupert up against your SE at the POD > in April. > > Charles 928 S2 86 > > > > From: "Rmac" > > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue AM 07:24:05 GMT > > To: , "'Walker, Scott'" , > > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > Getting worried are you SE? As for Pod times Rupert could just be crap > > of the line... and mid way... and exit speed :o) > > Mac > > > > From mike at dawe.com Tue Feb 10 21:26:21 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:26:21 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In-Reply-To: <028CE5D6E4BEDD4481087C357F3B94861450C3@abros01.ABROS.LOCAL> Message-ID: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Like your style Rupert. Refuse the drugs test! Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Rupert Stanley Sent: 10 February 2004 19:00 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day I agree that my result looks odd, but that was what the machine produced...and he did thrash the nuts off my engine several time to reproduce very similar readings. From recollection, I think my best Pod time was somewhere in the 14s with terminal speed around 99mph (exactly the point that requires a change to 4th gear) but I had great difficulty getting the power down... Rupert -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com] Sent: 10 February 2004 15:14 To: 'adrian928 at tesco.net'; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Hi Adrian, Unfortunately the dyno tech, 'Aussie' Chris Davies, explained that their CO sensor had been taken out by a mains power surge/spike that hit that area the previous week. Normally measurements would include CO, but they were waiting on a replacement part to be shipped from Oz where the dyno manufacturer is (their dyno: www.dyno.com.au/lby.htm , shootout mode we used: www.dyno.com.au/shootout.htm) G-Force have admitted that the 996 measurement (at the end with different settings to the rest of the day) was erroneous & have invited Alex back for a free re-test. As for the other results - I think most are good, given the accuracy claims of the dyno manufacturer. The Rupert result does stand out as though it is "rogue", but Chris spent a long time testing & re-testing Rupert's GT. He must have had about 8 runs on the dyno. The peak figures were repeated to within a few hp. Definitely not in the wrong gear! My GT showed 274.6bhp at the wheels, and posted a 14.3 sec Pod time last April. So that stacks up in my mind. And in "shootout" dyno mode lots of parameters are locked down to prevent erroneous data entries between cars. So I can't explain the Rupert GT figures, but it was nothing obvious if it was an error! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: adrian928 at tesco.net [mailto:adrian928 at tesco.net] Interesting info Scott and well done for organising the day. Was CO measured aswell at full throttle? I think there are a couple of rogue results in there though - its just impossible for a relatively standard Gt like Ruperts to have nearly 20% over standard - I reckon the car must have been in the wrong gear or something - I seem to remember he only did about 15 secs at the Pod? Adrian ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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They said there were big differences in the dyno HP measurements for the first engines they made, they used to choose the highest ones for road test cars. So far as I remember they did not say there were big differences between individual samples of the later engines. I suppose theoretically one could up the HP of the later engines at the price of reduced torque but I guess you would have to change a lot of stuff; like the cams, inlet manifold, chips, different heads, throw away the flappy - or am I talking rubbish as usual. Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Rmac" ; "'Walker, Scott'" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > Well I was quicker than the other Gt's last year, but none had Ruperts 385bhp so looking forward to seeing Rupert at the Pod (my best was 14.1/103mph and more to come). > > If you take the total time and deduct the 60feet time, this gives a better indication of the true power as it removes the wheelspin/poor start. Rupert/Scott do you remember your 60feet time? > From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Tue Feb 10 21:57:34 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:57:34 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Ebay bidding In-Reply-To: <20040210085200.XHEU5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Message-ID: <200402102157.i1ALvZuC020674@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> charles.vanasma at tesco.net wrote: > > I am about to bid for this item on Ebay, but will not bid > if someone else is interested. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454839870&category=26432 What a great ride! Recommend that you check the fuel economy figures before proceeding. -- Phil There comes a time in every rightly constructed boy's life that he has a raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure. -- Mark Twain From adrian928 at tesco.net Tue Feb 10 22:58:15 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:58:15 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <20040210225815.NTRM5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Interesting Marton - Ruperts car also seems to be showing an extra 50ftlb of torque over standard though - in fact more than a GTS - maybe he's got a GTS engine in disguise! Regards > > From: "marton hasenberg" > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 09:54:11 GMT > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > Hi Adrian, > > When I was at Euro 928 2002 there was a presentation from the original 928 > project team. They said there were big differences in the dyno HP > measurements for the first engines they made, they used to choose the > highest ones for road test cars. So far as I remember they did not say > there were big differences between individual samples of the later engines. > > I suppose theoretically one could up the HP of the later engines at the > price of reduced torque but I guess you would have to change a lot of stuff; > like the cams, inlet manifold, chips, different heads, throw away the > flappy - or am I talking rubbish as usual. > > Marton > From mike at dawe.com Tue Feb 10 23:30:09 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:30:09 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In-Reply-To: <20040210225815.NTRM5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Message-ID: Adrian and Marton etc. A list member,one David Cresswell,who I trust does not mind his BHP being aired in public,had his GT engine chipped very carefully and he has the dyno readout to back up his 350bhp. David,if you are reading this,what else was done to your engine? Has Rupert's car a special or re-programmed chip? Or,more intriguingly,was it an ex. road test car? Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net Sent: 10 February 2004 22:58 To: marton hasenberg; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Interesting Marton - Ruperts car also seems to be showing an extra 50ftlb of torque over standard though - in fact more than a GTS - maybe he's got a GTS engine in disguise! Regards > > From: "marton hasenberg" > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 09:54:11 GMT > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > Hi Adrian, > > When I was at Euro 928 2002 there was a presentation from the original 928 > project team. They said there were big differences in the dyno HP > measurements for the first engines they made, they used to choose the > highest ones for road test cars. So far as I remember they did not say > there were big differences between individual samples of the later engines. > > I suppose theoretically one could up the HP of the later engines at the > price of reduced torque but I guess you would have to change a lot of stuff; > like the cams, inlet manifold, chips, different heads, throw away the > flappy - or am I talking rubbish as usual. > > Marton > _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Wed Feb 11 06:57:57 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:57:57 GMT Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <24bb9128.1056231c.825af00@mail05.onetel.net.uk> re: Comparing before and after this, before the angle of the speedo and rev needles was virtually identical in top gear, afterwards, the speedo needle moves further than the rev counter needle. So rebuilding the heads has changed the gearing?????? Smiffy From mcclean20 at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 11 07:13:49 2004 From: mcclean20 at ntlworld.com (Rmac) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:13:49 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In-Reply-To: <028CE5D6E4BEDD4481087C357F3B94861450C3@abros01.ABROS.LOCAL> Message-ID: <012101c3f06e$98dd61e0$6401a8c0@WHITNEY> Perhaps you have a stroker !!! either way your car is worth at least a couple of grand more than it was last week. Good on you Rupert. Mac -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Rupert Stanley Sent: 10 February 2004 19:00 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day I agree that my result looks odd, but that was what the machine produced...and he did thrash the nuts off my engine several time to reproduce very similar readings. >From recollection, I think my best Pod time was somewhere in the 14s with terminal speed around 99mph (exactly the point that requires a change to 4th gear) but I had great difficulty getting the power down... Rupert -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com] Sent: 10 February 2004 15:14 To: 'adrian928 at tesco.net'; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Hi Adrian, Unfortunately the dyno tech, 'Aussie' Chris Davies, explained that their CO sensor had been taken out by a mains power surge/spike that hit that area the previous week. Normally measurements would include CO, but they were waiting on a replacement part to be shipped from Oz where the dyno manufacturer is (their dyno: www.dyno.com.au/lby.htm , shootout mode we used: www.dyno.com.au/shootout.htm) G-Force have admitted that the 996 measurement (at the end with different settings to the rest of the day) was erroneous & have invited Alex back for a free re-test. As for the other results - I think most are good, given the accuracy claims of the dyno manufacturer. The Rupert result does stand out as though it is "rogue", but Chris spent a long time testing & re-testing Rupert's GT. He must have had about 8 runs on the dyno. The peak figures were repeated to within a few hp. Definitely not in the wrong gear! My GT showed 274.6bhp at the wheels, and posted a 14.3 sec Pod time last April. So that stacks up in my mind. And in "shootout" dyno mode lots of parameters are locked down to prevent erroneous data entries between cars. So I can't explain the Rupert GT figures, but it was nothing obvious if it was an error! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: adrian928 at tesco.net [mailto:adrian928 at tesco.net] Interesting info Scott and well done for organising the day. Was CO measured aswell at full throttle? I think there are a couple of rogue results in there though - its just impossible for a relatively standard Gt like Ruperts to have nearly 20% over standard - I reckon the car must have been in the wrong gear or something - I seem to remember he only did about 15 secs at the Pod? Adrian ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Gareth _____________ New, Changed & Pics Added: Jason Lanangan Marton Hasenberg Andrew Brierly Chris Clark Leigh Coldwell From andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk Wed Feb 11 08:09:47 2004 From: andrews at letham56.fsnet.co.uk (andy smith) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:09:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [928uk] Fw: re. electrical gremlins Message-ID: <28991818.1076486987756.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> ======================================== Message date : Feb 10 2004, 06:14 PM >From : "andy smith" To : 928uk at 928org.uk Copy to : Subject : re. electrical gremlins my investigations have taken me to the ignition switch . Apparently the lights and wipers are wired through this switch which means that with it off all works ok from the battery but power is lost when the ignition switch is accuated. Has anyone out there changed this switch? 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URL: From kal at funkychimp.com Wed Feb 11 09:49:58 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:49:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PET Message-ID: <002a01c3f084$6c2d6710$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> I've noticed that many of you keep refering to a thing called PET, or PETs in conjuction with part numbers etc. I've not been too concerned what on earth you are talking about, however, when in contact with 'Strasse' in leeds this week, we were trying to establish what part my car needed (a new f/o/s/ inner arch cover), they guy on the phoned faxed me through a sheet of paper with a schematic exploded view of the front of a car with parts numbers clearly labeled so that i could identify the part i needed. lo and behold at the top of the sheet was the word 'PET' so now i realise what it is i of course want one. it's obviously available in some kind of electronic format 'cause he faxed me a printout from his computer so where can i get one? or can somebody give me a copy? or do i have to get one from Porsche etc. etc? regards kal ('89 S4) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Wed Feb 11 10:34:35 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:34:35 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: Hi Mike, The only 'mod' Rupert is aware of is that his exhaust system has no centre box - it was damaged so he got straight-thru pipes made up. He's still got the large rear box though. And other than having his head gaskets replaced, he's had no other work done to his car. Interestingly, Mark's early GT also posted good figures (higher than my late [catted] GT). However, my GT has an RMB (as does Nigel's GTS) & Paul A's 928S has the loudest straight-thru exhaust I've heard on a 928... but on balance (looking at all the results) exhaust mods don't seem to equate to extra power (just nicer sound!), which is a generally acknowledged sentiment for the 928. Cheers, Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dawe [mailto:mike at dawe.com] Adrian and Marton etc. A list member,one David Cresswell,who I trust does not mind his BHP being aired in public,had his GT engine chipped very carefully and he has the dyno readout to back up his 350bhp. David,if you are reading this,what else was done to your engine? Has Rupert's car a special or re-programmed chip? Or,more intriguingly,was it an ex. road test car? Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net Interesting Marton - Ruperts car also seems to be showing an extra 50ftlb of torque over standard though - in fact more than a GTS - maybe he's got a GTS engine in disguise! Regards > > From: "marton hasenberg" > > Hi Adrian, > > When I was at Euro 928 2002 there was a presentation from the original 928 > project team. They said there were big differences in the dyno HP > measurements for the first engines they made, they used to choose the > highest ones for road test cars. So far as I remember they did not say > there were big differences between individual samples of the later engines. > > I suppose theoretically one could up the HP of the later engines at the > price of reduced torque but I guess you would have to change a lot of stuff; > like the cams, inlet manifold, chips, different heads, throw away the > flappy - or am I talking rubbish as usual. > > Marton ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Kal Sent: 11 February 2004 09:50 To: 928 List Subject: [928uk] PET I've noticed that many of you keep refering to a thing called PET, or PETs in conjuction with part numbers etc. I've not been too concerned what on earth you are talking about, however, when in contact with 'Strasse' in leeds this week, we were trying to establish what part my car needed (a new f/o/s/ inner arch cover), they guy on the phoned faxed me through a sheet of paper with a schematic exploded view of the front of a car with parts numbers clearly labeled so that i could identify the part i needed. lo and behold at the top of the sheet was the word 'PET' so now i realise what it is i of course want one. it's obviously available in some kind of electronic format 'cause he faxed me a printout from his computer so where can i get one? or can somebody give me a copy? or do i have to get one from Porsche etc. etc? regards kal ('89 S4) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From titters at btinternet.com Wed Feb 11 14:07:08 2004 From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:07:08 -0000 Subject: [928uk] lockheed Brake pads Message-ID: <005501c3f0a8$564c7890$d71f8551@weasel> Just bought some fronts off ebay for 15 quid - are they any cop? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 06/02/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net Wed Feb 11 14:31:20 2004 From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:31:20 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PET In-Reply-To: <002a01c3f084$6c2d6710$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> Message-ID: My 2p's worth. PET is Porsche's computer-based parts lookup system. It also seems to get called EPC. When I go into my OPC and ask them for the widget at the base of the rear windscreen wiper arm, they fire up PET, specify the model and year and start clicking through until an explodable diagram of the whole relevant assembly comes up; then they can identify what I'm talking about and get the formal part number. Naturally, the exploding diagram is handy if you're into rebuilding the thing. AFAIK it has never been formally available outside the Porsche organisation, but pirate copies of the CDs come up on ebay with some regularity. I believe from talking to my autoengineer that the host PC HAS to be running a rather unusual screen resolution to show the PET system properly, but I don't think this is a problem for modern machines with recent graphics cards. Kingsley -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Kal Sent: 11 February 2004 09:50 To: 928 List Subject: [928uk] PET I've noticed that many of you keep refering to a thing called PET, or PETs in conjuction with part numbers etc. I've not been too concerned what on earth you are talking about, however, when in contact with 'Strasse' in leeds this week, we were trying to establish what part my car needed (a new f/o/s/ inner arch cover), they guy on the phoned faxed me through a sheet of paper with a schematic exploded view of the front of a car with parts numbers clearly labeled so that i could identify the part i needed. lo and behold at the top of the sheet was the word 'PET' so now i realise what it is i of course want one. it's obviously available in some kind of electronic format 'cause he faxed me a printout from his computer so where can i get one? or can somebody give me a copy? or do i have to get one from Porsche etc. etc? regards kal ('89 S4) From SWalker at ndsuk.com Wed Feb 11 14:42:00 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:42:00 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PET Message-ID: Yes - I think its 1280x1024 resolution minimum: hence it'd be a bit of a pain if you had a really small monitor too (unless you read it using binoculars!) Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team [mailto:kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net] I believe from talking to my autoengineer that the host PC HAS to be running a rather unusual screen resolution to show the PET system properly, but I don't think this is a problem for modern machines with recent graphics cards. Kingsley -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Kal I've noticed that many of you keep refering to a thing called PET, or PETs in conjuction with part numbers etc. kal ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbracewell at atlltd.com Wed Feb 11 15:07:03 2004 From: rbracewell at atlltd.com (Roger Bracewell) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:07:03 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Roger Bracewell Message-ID: <4D8AE1B4FD65D311A28C00E018C186A11FCFFC@SERVER> Hi guys, Nice to see everyone all the "boys" getting all concerned about the guy with the most horsepower at the dyno shoot...... Mines better than yours and all that !! And how come the figures produced are so !! Engines always seem to be like that, production or racing ! But an engine with the most horsepower doesn't always mean its the best................ Anyway a friend's just bought a S2 that needs some TLC He's asked me if I know of any good Porsche / 928 preparation / specialist garages in the north west area ? Cheshire / Chester / North Wales ? Regards Roger the Racer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- This email and any attachment may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient you are not authorised to copy or disclose all or any part of it without the prior written consent of ATL. Please scan this email and any attachment for viruses. 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Cheers, Gareth Black 90GT >>> Roger Bracewell 02/11/04 03:07pm >>> Hi guys, Nice to see everyone all the "boys" getting all concerned about the guy with the most horsepower at the dyno shoot...... Mines better than yours and all that !! And how come the figures produced are so !! Engines always seem to be like that, production or racing ! But an engine with the most horsepower doesn't always mean its the best................ Anyway a friend's just bought a S2 that needs some TLC He's asked me if I know of any good Porsche / 928 preparation / specialist garages in the north west area ? Cheshire / Chester / North Wales ? Regards Roger the Racer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- This email and any attachment may contain confidential information. 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You should be able to come up with a more sensible explanation than me, but my thoughts were that the revised cam timing was simply getting more power out of the engine at a given RPM afterwards, hence the differential. The MPG also improved, so efficiency must have improved in some way. Rupert -----Original Message----- From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk] Sent: 11 February 2004 06:58 To: Rupert Stanley; 928UK Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day re: Comparing before and after this, before the angle of the speedo and rev needles was virtually identical in top gear, afterwards, the speedo needle moves further than the rev counter needle. So rebuilding the heads has changed the gearing?????? Smiffy ======================================================================= Scanned for virus infection by Messagelabs ======================================================================= This e-mail message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. If the message is received by anyone other than the addressee, please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ABROS Enterprise Limited Registered Number 3172232, England Registered Office: Cheapside House, 138 Cheapside, London EC2V 6BB From marton at befree.ch Wed Feb 11 17:19:53 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton hasenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:19:53 +0100 Subject: [928uk] PET References: Message-ID: <02cb01c3f0c3$43ae6f20$d639a73e@marton> Hi For PET, you need a screen setting of at least 1280*1024 (I believe :)) You go into settings/control panel/display/settings. This should be no problem for any PC that was made in the last 5 or 6 years - except for some notebook (or laptop) PCs as they may not be able to offer this option. Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team" To: "928 List" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] PET > My 2p's worth. > > PET is Porsche's computer-based parts lookup system. It also seems to get > called EPC. > From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Wed Feb 11 17:41:39 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:41:39 EST Subject: [928uk] PET Message-ID: <141.21dc9550.2d5bc353@aol.com> In a message dated 11/02/04 17:23:52 GMT Standard Time, marton at befree.ch writes: > For PET, you need a screen setting of at least 1280*1024 (I believe :)) > You go into settings/control panel/display/settings. > Exactly right Marton. PET is readily available............. 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Richard A '91 Auto From porsche.gb at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 10 18:44:58 2004 From: porsche.gb at ntlworld.com (porsche928) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:44:58 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? Message-ID: Is there any way to check whether the air MAFF is working OK? Was told by G-Force Motorsport on the Dyno Day it was the fuel switch wrong on my GTS, but JZ Machtech say they will do a Dyno at their place to see if it could be the air MAFF and not the fuel switch. Is this wise advise or am I paying out for just another Dyno for nothing. Nigel '92 GTS From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Wed Feb 11 18:43:09 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:43:09 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In-Reply-To: <028CE5D6E4BEDD4481087C357F3B94861450C8@abros01.ABROS.LOCAL> Message-ID: If the symptoms were the opposite - tacho rises faster than speedo I'ld say that the extra power was making the clutch slip. I would guess it's just an optical illusion caused by the blurring of vision brought on by the additional G force that the extra power is givving you! Jon Black SE > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Rupert Stanley > Sent: 11 February 2004 16:08 > To: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk; 928UK > Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > Ah Smiffy has emerged - how is NZ treating you? > > Clearly the gearing hasn't changed. You should be able to come > up with a more sensible explanation than me, but my thoughts were > that the revised cam timing was simply getting more power out of > the engine at a given RPM afterwards, hence the differential. > The MPG also improved, so efficiency must have improved in some way. > > Rupert > > -----Original Message----- > From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk] > Sent: 11 February 2004 06:58 > To: Rupert Stanley; 928UK > Subject: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > re: Comparing before and after this, before the angle of the > speedo and rev needles was virtually identical in top gear, > afterwards, the speedo needle moves further than the rev > counter needle. > > So rebuilding the heads has changed the gearing?????? > > Smiffy > > ======================================================================= > Scanned for virus infection by Messagelabs > ======================================================================= > > > This e-mail message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. > If the message is received by anyone other than the addressee, please > return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete > the message from your computer. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > ABROS Enterprise Limited > Registered Number 3172232, England > Registered Office: Cheapside House, 138 Cheapside, London EC2V 6BB > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Feb 11 20:29:17 2004 From: ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK (ROBDEB) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:29:17 -0000 Subject: [928uk] rear brake pad pin set Message-ID: <000a01c3f0dd$b8ebb6c0$dc834d51@rob> Hi There where is the best place to get a rear brake pad pin kit apart from the main dealer.. cheers Rob 83 s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian928 at tesco.net Wed Feb 11 20:32:07 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:32:07 +0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <20040211203208.FGSQ5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Mike - I've spoken to David in the past and he said after experimenting with cam timing and chipping, and fitting a performance exhaust, the max they got was 350bhp on the dyno from his GT. Regards > > From: "Mike Dawe" > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 11:30:09 GMT > To: , > "marton hasenberg" , > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > Adrian and Marton etc. A list member,one David Cresswell,who I trust does > not mind his BHP being aired in public,had his GT engine chipped very > carefully and he has the dyno readout to back up his 350bhp. David,if you > are reading this,what else was done to your engine? Has Rupert's car a > special or re-programmed chip? Or,more intriguingly,was it an ex. road test > car? Mike (T reg) > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net > Sent: 10 February 2004 22:58 > To: marton hasenberg; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > Interesting Marton - Ruperts car also seems to be showing an extra 50ftlb > of torque over standard though - in fact more than a GTS - maybe he's got a > GTS engine in disguise! > > Regards > > > > From: "marton hasenberg" > > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 09:54:11 GMT > > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > Hi Adrian, > > > > When I was at Euro 928 2002 there was a presentation from the original 928 > > project team. They said there were big differences in the dyno HP > > measurements for the first engines they made, they used to choose the > > highest ones for road test cars. So far as I remember they did not say > > there were big differences between individual samples of the later > engines. > > > > I suppose theoretically one could up the HP of the later engines at the > > price of reduced torque but I guess you would have to change a lot of > stuff; > > like the cams, inlet manifold, chips, different heads, throw away the > > flappy - or am I talking rubbish as usual. > > > > Marton > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > From dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Feb 11 20:37:35 2004 From: dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk (Steve & Dawn) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:37:35 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c3f0de$e4e95a10$25a12952@steve8olbxz78h> Nigel, You are in luck here, just visit jdsporsche.com for a full FAQ section and of course for a very reasonable sum John can test your MAFF for far less than a RR run. Good luck Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of porsche928 Sent: 10 February 2004 18:45 To: 928UK Subject: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? Is there any way to check whether the air MAFF is working OK? Was told by G-Force Motorsport on the Dyno Day it was the fuel switch wrong on my GTS, but JZ Machtech say they will do a Dyno at their place to see if it could be the air MAFF and not the fuel switch. Is this wise advise or am I paying out for just another Dyno for nothing. Nigel '92 GTS _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From adrian928 at tesco.net Wed Feb 11 20:54:27 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:54:27 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? Message-ID: <20040211205428.HIKL5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> Nigel - speak to John off line (email address above) - he will test it properly for a lot less than the cost of another dyno day. Adrian > > From: porsche928 > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 06:44:58 GMT > To: 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? > > Is there any way to check whether the air MAFF is working OK? Was told by > G-Force Motorsport on the Dyno Day it was the fuel switch wrong on my GTS, > but JZ Machtech say they will do a Dyno at their place to see if it could be > the air MAFF and not the fuel switch. Is this wise advise or am I paying out > for just another Dyno for nothing. > > Nigel '92 GTS > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From john.oakes3 at btinternet.com Mon Feb 9 21:20:38 2004 From: john.oakes3 at btinternet.com (John Oakes) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:20:38 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Magazine feature for 928 Message-ID: <001601c3ef52$918e88a0$f4f57ad5@john> On Friday the 13th February at Bruntingthorpe Aerodrome will be a photo shoot by Classics Magazine for Coupes from the 1980,s. They are doing a six page spread on the following cars, Porsche 928 S2, Jaguar XJS V12 & Mercedes SLC. I now this has been done before when they were new, so should make it different now they are about 20 years old & nice to read some new with regards to the 928. If any one needs any more information, please e mail back or post on the 928 site. rgds John Oakes S2 1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Wed Feb 11 22:08:24 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:08:24 EST Subject: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? Message-ID: <54.224a25d9.2d5c01d8@aol.com> In a message dated 11/02/04 18:40:10 GMT Standard Time, porsche.gb at ntlworld.com writes: > Is there any way to check whether the air MAFF is working OK? Was told by > G-Force Motorsport on the Dyno Day it was the fuel switch wrong on my GTS, > but JZ Machtech say they will do a Dyno at their place to see if it could be > the air MAFF and not the fuel switch. Is this wise advise or am I paying out > for just another Dyno for nothing. > Hi Nigel, It's easy to check out the WOT switch with the Bosch Hammer - 5 minutes, cost very little. Or you can easily do it with a simple multimeter yourself. If the switch is OK, then it could be the MAF. They have to be calibrated to within 2% or power will suffer. But using a rolling raod to check the CO is greater than 3% at WOT and full power is a very expensive way to find out if the MAF is U/S. I have a calibrated test jig for the MAF, accurate to 0.25%. I can check out your MAF for a nominal 20GBP. See my web site www.jdsporsche.com for more details. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.cresswell at talk21.com Thu Feb 12 01:22:48 2004 From: david.cresswell at talk21.com (David Cresswell) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:48 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day References: <20040211203208.FGSQ5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> Message-ID: <008201c3f106$ba32e020$076b2cd9@rtsosvo4vuat20> Mike / Adrian My GT gives 350 BHP on ordinary unleaded fuel. However it picks up 6 or 7 bhp with the addition of "Pro-Boost" octane booster which I add at about 5% when competing in the car. It also has a couple of "in-tank" Broquet fuel catalysts which when added, completely changed the CO readings at tick over and in fact changed the tick over speed all together. Non standard items to the engine are: - It has a complete Haywood and Scott big bore exhaust system with no cats. It has a K&N air filter (which may or may not add any power but seems to make it feel a little better???) It is fitted with Nology "Hot-Wire HT leads (which picked up 1 (ONE) bhp!). The main improvement came from the fitting of a fully mapable "Dastek Unichip" piggy-back ECU which was fitted and mapped by Mark Harrison at Owen Developments. The car was on the rolling road for about 6 hours and it was a very interesting session. That day, I learnt a lot about what can and cannot be done by the chipping and mapping of ECUs. Prior to this I had fitted Superchip myself to the car. When tested it gave around 321 bhp and felt Okay but quite frankly was not an improvement. I removed those chips and then took it back to Owen Developments and it had the same 321 bhp. I had tested all the compressions and they were good. Before we started Mark Harrison performed three separate full-power runs to produce graphs which were overlaid on his monitor and as they were all identical it showed that basically everything was in good order in the power / drive train and we could proceed and fit and set-up the Unichip. At the end of the day it had 350 bhp and drove like a totally different car. The standard 928GT has a power curve with a big "flat-spot" in the slope and after hours of ECU adjustments for each small increment of rpm the "flat-spot" on my car was almost gone. It was superb! I have seen the figures from the recent shoot out and the fact that one car seemed to have 30 odd bhp more than it should have had; to me can only be attributable to a couple of things. Firstly it could have a Devek stroked bottom-end, secondly it was tested in the wrong gear or was suffering massive wheel-spin, or finally there was some discrepancy in the dyno at that point. I am sure you could have taken a thousand 928's straight off the line and tested them - none would have shown any increase in power of that magnitude. Interesting though..... Dave Cresswell '90 GT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "marton hasenberg" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > Mike - I've spoken to David in the past and he said after experimenting with cam timing and chipping, and fitting a performance exhaust, the max they got was 350bhp on the dyno from his GT. > > Regards > > > > > From: "Mike Dawe" > > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 11:30:09 GMT > > To: , > > "marton hasenberg" , > > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > Adrian and Marton etc. A list member,one David Cresswell,who I trust does > > not mind his BHP being aired in public,had his GT engine chipped very > > carefully and he has the dyno readout to back up his 350bhp. David,if you > > are reading this,what else was done to your engine? Has Rupert's car a > > special or re-programmed chip? Or,more intriguingly,was it an ex. road test > > car? Mike (T reg) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > > Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net > > Sent: 10 February 2004 22:58 > > To: marton hasenberg; 928uk at 928.org.uk > > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > > > Interesting Marton - Ruperts car also seems to be showing an extra 50ftlb > > of torque over standard though - in fact more than a GTS - maybe he's got a > > GTS engine in disguise! > > > > Regards > > > > > > From: "marton hasenberg" > > > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 09:54:11 GMT > > > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > > > Hi Adrian, > > > > > > When I was at Euro 928 2002 there was a presentation from the original 928 > > > project team. They said there were big differences in the dyno HP > > > measurements for the first engines they made, they used to choose the > > > highest ones for road test cars. So far as I remember they did not say > > > there were big differences between individual samples of the later > > engines. > > > > > > I suppose theoretically one could up the HP of the later engines at the > > > price of reduced torque but I guess you would have to change a lot of > > stuff; > > > like the cams, inlet manifold, chips, different heads, throw away the > > > flappy - or am I talking rubbish as usual. > > > > > > Marton > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 928uk mailing list > > 928uk at 928.org.uk > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > > 928.org.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From fishbone at es.co.nz Thu Feb 12 03:18:11 2004 From: fishbone at es.co.nz (Mike Hill) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:18:11 +1300 Subject: [928uk] 1980S owners manual Message-ID: <000801c3f116$d8f957e0$17deadcb@fishbone> Hi there. I'm a new member to the list. I own a 1980 S, imported from the U.K. , and I'm after an owners manual for it. Anyone know were I may be able to source one? They seem to be available in the U.S. (from ebay, and also from auto-related bookshops etc.) but as my car is a U.K. model, these are of no use. Thanks for your help Mike Hill Queenstown New Zealand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Thu Feb 12 05:37:20 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:37:20 GMT Subject: [928uk] 1980S owners manual Message-ID: <221a7223.10d29697.8199a00@mail05.onetel.net.uk> As another 1980 S owner, who just happens to be in NZ at the moment, I could probably sort you out with something. Where abouts are you? I'm currently in Taupo working my way towards Wellington. Smiffy From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Thu Feb 12 05:39:05 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:39:05 GMT Subject: [928uk] fuel lines Message-ID: <2867821e.10d2bfe2.8199a00@mail05.onetel.net.uk> 10mm copper can be used more easily than steel. You can use existing connections if you get a pipe farer form Machine Mart, or use compression fittings to join to existing good pipe. Smiffy From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Thu Feb 12 05:40:52 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:40:52 GMT Subject: [928uk] PET Message-ID: <2ec3c484.10d2e991.8199300@mail05.onetel.net.uk> My laptop works at the higher resolution by using the screen as a window onto the high res layout. When the cursor hits the edge of the screen it scrolls. Smiffy From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk Thu Feb 12 05:44:41 2004 From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (smiffypr at onetel.net.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:44:41 GMT Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <3c681d8c.10d342f8.8199300@mail05.onetel.net.uk> NZ good so far. Sunny and hot in February can't be bad. Your tacho and speed are linked by the gearing, so if you are in the same gear, they will have the same relationship no matter how much power you are making. I think your memory is playing tricks. MPG improving is always a good sign, as you say it indicates btter efficiency, usually meaning that you need less throttle to cruise at the same speed. Smiffy From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Thu Feb 12 09:34:10 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 04:34:10 EST Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Message-ID: <1c1.14eb1c1d.2d5ca292@aol.com> In a message dated 12/02/04 01:23:57 GMT Standard Time, david.cresswell at talk21.com writes: > > I have seen the figures from the recent shoot out and the fact that one car > seemed to have 30 odd bhp more than it should have had; to me can only be > attributable to a couple of things. Firstly it could have a Devek stroked > bottom-end, secondly it was tested in the wrong gear or was suffering > massive wheel-spin, or finally there was some discrepancy in the dyno at > that point. I am sure you could have taken a thousand 928's straight off the > line and tested them - none would have shown any increase in power of that > magnitude. > Hi David, That's all very interesting information about your car. And also your coments about Ruperts power figures. At present I am working on a tool, used with a laptop that will allow you to do the tuning you did with the Dastek, but enabling the modified maps to be blown into a new EPROM so you can keep the standard ECUs with no add on boxes. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Feb 12 10:36:53 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:36:53 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? Message-ID: Hi Nigel - I smell a bit of profiteering going on here... don't forget, your car showed up the full throttle switch fault on the Bosch Hammer (a tool which reads out error codes from your engine's ECU). If JZ don't believe that someone saw this on the Hammer output from your car, its trivial for them to re-test with their Hammer. Doing a full dyno to check out another component (MAF = Mass Air Flow sensor, measures the amount of air going into the engine) is pure 'hunch'. They should check the reported fault first. Maybe they don't fancy the effort required to get to the full throttle switch (necessitates removal of the intake system) - MAF is much easier to get at!! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: porsche928 [mailto:porsche.gb at ntlworld.com] Is there any way to check whether the air MAFF is working OK? Was told by G-Force Motorsport on the Dyno Day it was the fuel switch wrong on my GTS, but JZ Machtech say they will do a Dyno at their place to see if it could be the air MAFF and not the fuel switch. Is this wise advise or am I paying out for just another Dyno for nothing. Nigel '92 GTS _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hans.shark928 at virgin.net Thu Feb 12 11:42:06 2004 From: hans.shark928 at virgin.net (Hans928) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:42:06 -0000 Subject: [928uk] FAO. Bill R Message-ID: <000a01c3f15d$3db301e0$e4840252@w8s0p7> Bill, there is a 928 S manual on ebay just appeared - started bidding yet ? Cheers. Hans. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles.vanasma at tesco.net Thu Feb 12 12:06:14 2004 From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (charles.vanasma at tesco.net) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:06:14 +0000 Subject: [928uk] FAO. Bill R Message-ID: <20040212120614.PHJI5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> Hans Don't temp him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Charles 928 S2 86 > > From: "Hans928" > Date: 2004/02/12 Thu AM 11:42:06 GMT > To: "928 UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>, "gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [928uk] FAO. Bill R > > Bill, there is a 928 S manual on ebay just appeared - started bidding yet ? > > Cheers. 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Owen _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From paul at paullacey.com Thu Feb 12 14:54:49 2004 From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:54:49 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PET again Message-ID: Hi all, You shouldn't be without the Porsche PET. If you don't have it and want a copy e-mail me your details off-list and I'll make you a copy and send it off to you. Likewise manuals and parts fiche. Don't get ripped off by these e-bay sellers. Paul '84 928S2 Turquoise From richard at ritech-systems.com Thu Feb 12 15:38:29 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:38:29 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Mobile speed cameras Message-ID: Hans After ranting about overtaking whilst there was a mobile camera van on the other side of the road in a lay-by on the A4 I have been waiting for the inevitable letter. As I have not had a notice of intended prosecution after nearly 4 weeks can I assume I have got away with it? God knows how, - but someone said that some of these vans are looking for Road Tax dodgers. Is that so? Richard. (Much relieved!) From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 12 16:40:20 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:40:20 -0000 Subject: [928uk] FAO. Bill R References: <20040212120614.PHJI5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> Message-ID: <002401c3f186$e8db1750$e733893e@CARLTONCOURT> Can't see it ...what's the item number?? ----- Original Message ----- From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net To: Hans928 ; 928 UK ; gb Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] FAO. Bill R Hans Don't temp him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Charles 928 S2 86 > > From: "Hans928" > Date: 2004/02/12 Thu AM 11:42:06 GMT > To: "928 UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>, "gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [928uk] FAO. Bill R > > Bill, there is a 928 S manual on ebay just appeared - started bidding yet ? > > Cheers. Hans. > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill, there is a 928 S manual on ebay just appeared - started bidding yet ? Cheers. Hans. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marton at befree.ch Thu Feb 12 17:03:36 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton hasenberg) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:03:36 +0100 Subject: [928uk] FAO. Bill R References: <20040212120614.PHJI5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> <002401c3f186$e8db1750$e733893e@CARLTONCOURT> Message-ID: <007a01c3f18a$27cf8c40$85c8a73e@marton> Please don't tell him, it is for his own good..... Marton clutchless ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON To: charles.vanasma at tesco.net ; Hans928 ; 928 UK ; gb Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] FAO. Bill R Can't see it ...what's the item number?? ----- Original Message ----- From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net To: Hans928 ; 928 UK ; gb Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] FAO. Bill R Hans Don't temp him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Charles 928 S2 86 > > From: "Hans928" > Date: 2004/02/12 Thu AM 11:42:06 GMT > To: "928 UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>, "gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [928uk] FAO. Bill R > > Bill, there is a 928 S manual on ebay just appeared - started bidding yet ? > > Cheers. Hans. > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, there is a 928 S manual on ebay just appeared - started bidding yet ? Cheers. Hans. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Thu Feb 12 17:27:20 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:27:20 EST Subject: [928uk] PET again Message-ID: <1e6.1942d82d.2d5d1178@aol.com> In a message dated 12/02/04 14:55:37 GMT Standard Time, paul at paullacey.com writes: > Likewise manuals and parts fiche. Don't get ripped off by > these e-bay sellers. > Hi Paul, There were two versions of the 928 Workshop manuals which came onto the market at about the same time. One was produced by a firm called Manual Media. The other was produced in his "spare" time by Jim Moorehouse in the USA, a 928 enthusiast. I've seen both versions, and Jim's is the better, as it has an index that enables you to search across the 9 volumes, and also has much better scans of the circuits. Both sellers were closed down under the threat of legal action in the USA by Porsche. Since then, Jim has "lent" copies to people in the USA, I act as his agent for Europe. Please don't copy freebies of the Jim Morrehouse version - it's only fair that he gets something back for all the hours he spent scanning and compiling. He gets 50% of whatever I get for him. You can recognise Jim's version - it has a pdf file called "Table of Contents" which is his super index. Regards, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.cresswell at talk21.com Thu Feb 12 18:24:11 2004 From: david.cresswell at talk21.com (David Cresswell) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:24:11 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day References: <1c1.14eb1c1d.2d5ca292@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3f195$695e3a70$f2772ad9@rtsosvo4vuat20> John That is really good news and is definitely the "best way to go" so long as each EPROM is "set up" and blown for each individual car before installing in the ECU and is not just provided as an off-the-shelf item. Obviously there are too many variables from car to car to make things like "Superchips" automatically do what the manufactures say they'll do. In fact sometimes they make matters worse. I always think 'you' may have spent hundreds of pounds on one modification or another and gained just a couple of bhp but the car might drive totally differently. My messing around did cost hundreds and gained me just 20 bhp on the claimed factory output.....but the "straightening out" of the 928's flat-spot transforms the way it drives. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com To: david.cresswell at talk21.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In a message dated 12/02/04 01:23:57 GMT Standard Time, david.cresswell at talk21.com writes: I have seen the figures from the recent shoot out and the fact that one car seemed to have 30 odd bhp more than it should have had; to me can only be attributable to a couple of things. Firstly it could have a Devek stroked bottom-end, secondly it was tested in the wrong gear or was suffering massive wheel-spin, or finally there was some discrepancy in the dyno at that point. I am sure you could have taken a thousand 928's straight off the line and tested them - none would have shown any increase in power of that magnitude. Hi David, That's all very interesting information about your car. And also your coments about Ruperts power figures. At present I am working on a tool, used with a laptop that will allow you to do the tuning you did with the Dastek, but enabling the modified maps to be blown into a new EPROM so you can keep the standard ECUs with no add on boxes. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Thu Feb 12 18:24:20 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:24:20 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Chipping/Owen Developments References: <20040211203208.FGSQ5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]> <008201c3f106$ba32e020$076b2cd9@rtsosvo4vuat20> Message-ID: <005601c3f195$75b2f770$d44526d4@ThinkPad> Interesting. What's the total cost of a day at Owen Developments & the chip hardware? Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cresswell" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:22 AM Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > Mike / Adrian > > My GT gives 350 BHP on ordinary unleaded fuel. However it picks up 6 or 7 > bhp with the addition of "Pro-Boost" octane booster which I add at about 5% > when competing in the car. It also has a couple of "in-tank" Broquet fuel > catalysts which when added, completely changed the CO readings at tick over > and in fact changed the tick over speed all together. > > Non standard items to the engine are: - > > It has a complete Haywood and Scott big bore exhaust system with no cats. It > has a K&N air filter (which may or may not add any power but seems to make > it feel a little better???) It is fitted with Nology "Hot-Wire HT leads > (which picked up 1 (ONE) bhp!). > > The main improvement came from the fitting of a fully mapable "Dastek > Unichip" piggy-back ECU which was fitted and mapped by Mark Harrison at Owen > Developments. The car was on the rolling road for about 6 hours and it was a > very interesting session. That day, I learnt a lot about what can and > cannot be done by the chipping and mapping of ECUs. Prior to this I had > fitted Superchip myself to the car. When tested it gave around 321 bhp and > felt Okay but quite frankly was not an improvement. I removed those chips > and then took it back to Owen Developments and it had the same 321 bhp. I > had tested all the compressions and they were good. Before we started Mark > Harrison performed three separate full-power runs to produce graphs which > were overlaid on his monitor and as they were all identical it showed that > basically everything was in good order in the power / drive train and we > could proceed and fit and set-up the Unichip. At the end of the day it had > 350 bhp and drove like a totally different car. The standard 928GT has a > power curve with a big "flat-spot" in the slope and after hours of ECU > adjustments for each small increment of rpm the "flat-spot" on my car was > almost gone. It was superb! > > I have seen the figures from the recent shoot out and the fact that one car > seemed to have 30 odd bhp more than it should have had; to me can only be > attributable to a couple of things. Firstly it could have a Devek stroked > bottom-end, secondly it was tested in the wrong gear or was suffering > massive wheel-spin, or finally there was some discrepancy in the dyno at > that point. I am sure you could have taken a thousand 928's straight off the > line and tested them - none would have shown any increase in power of that > magnitude. > > Interesting though..... > > Dave Cresswell '90 GT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "marton hasenberg" ; > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:32 PM > Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > Mike - I've spoken to David in the past and he said after experimenting > with cam timing and chipping, and fitting a performance exhaust, the max > they got was 350bhp on the dyno from his GT. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > From: "Mike Dawe" > > > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 11:30:09 GMT > > > To: , > > > "marton hasenberg" , > > > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > > Subject: RE: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > > > Adrian and Marton etc. A list member,one David Cresswell,who I trust > does > > > not mind his BHP being aired in public,had his GT engine chipped very > > > carefully and he has the dyno readout to back up his 350bhp. David,if > you > > > are reading this,what else was done to your engine? Has Rupert's car a > > > special or re-programmed chip? Or,more intriguingly,was it an ex. road > test > > > car? Mike (T reg) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > > > Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net > > > Sent: 10 February 2004 22:58 > > > To: marton hasenberg; 928uk at 928.org.uk > > > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > > > > > > Interesting Marton - Ruperts car also seems to be showing an extra > 50ftlb > > > of torque over standard though - in fact more than a GTS - maybe he's > got a > > > GTS engine in disguise! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > From: "marton hasenberg" > > > > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 09:54:11 GMT > > > > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > > > Subject: Re: RE: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > > > > > > > > Hi Adrian, > > > > > > > > When I was at Euro 928 2002 there was a presentation from the original > 928 > > > > project team. They said there were big differences in the dyno HP > > > > measurements for the first engines they made, they used to choose the > > > > highest ones for road test cars. So far as I remember they did not > say > > > > there were big differences between individual samples of the later > > > engines. > > > > > > > > I suppose theoretically one could up the HP of the later engines at > the > > > > price of reduced torque but I guess you would have to change a lot of > > > stuff; > > > > like the cams, inlet manifold, chips, different heads, throw away the > > > > flappy - or am I talking rubbish as usual. > > > > > > > > Marton > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 928uk mailing list > > > 928uk at 928.org.uk > > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > > > 928.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 928uk mailing list > > 928uk at 928.org.uk > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > > 928.org.uk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From angusf at 928.org.uk Thu Feb 12 18:40:30 2004 From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:40:30 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: Vintage 928 Motorsports help? In-Reply-To: <001401c3f196$e80b02d0$eccefa43@HPPAV> References: <001401c3f196$e80b02d0$eccefa43@HPPAV> Message-ID: Forwarded to our list. Im sure someone can help you Angus PS Please reply directly to CJ On 12 Feb 2004, at 6:34 pm, tanjwarrior wrote: > I am in the United States and am considering modifying my 928 to > original SCCA rules & regulations to have a 928 in?"historical" racing > events (you see just about everything else!) > ? > I am on the hunt for photos, info...anything to help in converting > this wonderful machine into a proper icon from the 1980's. > ? > I was hoping that your readers and subscribers may be able to help in > this "Quest". > ? > I have some photos that show 928's from the early & middle 1980's in > actual national and international motorsport events that have various > sponsors. The sponsor may be a lead: > ? > ICS Motorsport > AFN > ? > The rest are not readable, even when enhancing because of light, > camera angle, etc. > ? > Thank you. > CJ Ryan > 'Proud 928 Owner" > ...you've gotta love that V8 sound!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2876 bytes Desc: not available URL: From titters at btinternet.com Thu Feb 12 19:16:36 2004 From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:16:36 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Mobile speed cameras References: Message-ID: <002f01c3f19d$3cd44690$86f28451@weasel> I must have got done in November - blatting past a mobile layby-situated camera on the stretch of camera infested road that is between the M11 and the A1 (A14); but still no letter. I had recently moved my front plate from its mounting to flush with the front PU - It is much harder to see. I wonder whether that has owt to do with it..? Iain 90 S4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Armstrong" To: "Hans928" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: [928uk] Mobile speed cameras > > Hans > > After ranting about overtaking whilst there was a mobile camera van on > the other side of the road in a lay-by on the A4 I have been waiting for > the inevitable letter. > > As I have not had a notice of intended prosecution after nearly 4 weeks > can I assume I have got away with it? God knows how, - but someone said > that some of these vans are looking for Road Tax dodgers. Is that so? > > Richard. (Much relieved!) > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 06/02/2004 From simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk Thu Feb 12 20:35:27 2004 From: simon.watson at powerdream.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:35:27 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day References: <1c1.14eb1c1d.2d5ca292@aol.com> <000d01c3f195$695e3a70$f2772ad9@rtsosvo4vuat20> Message-ID: <00d201c3f1a7$c005e4b0$d44526d4@ThinkPad> Dave, where was this flat spot you talk of, at what range of RPM? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Cresswell To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day John That is really good news and is definitely the "best way to go" so long as each EPROM is "set up" and blown for each individual car before installing in the ECU and is not just provided as an off-the-shelf item. Obviously there are too many variables from car to car to make things like "Superchips" automatically do what the manufactures say they'll do. In fact sometimes they make matters worse. I always think 'you' may have spent hundreds of pounds on one modification or another and gained just a couple of bhp but the car might drive totally differently. My messing around did cost hundreds and gained me just 20 bhp on the claimed factory output.....but the "straightening out" of the 928's flat-spot transforms the way it drives. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com To: david.cresswell at talk21.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In a message dated 12/02/04 01:23:57 GMT Standard Time, david.cresswell at talk21.com writes: I have seen the figures from the recent shoot out and the fact that one car seemed to have 30 odd bhp more than it should have had; to me can only be attributable to a couple of things. Firstly it could have a Devek stroked bottom-end, secondly it was tested in the wrong gear or was suffering massive wheel-spin, or finally there was some discrepancy in the dyno at that point. I am sure you could have taken a thousand 928's straight off the line and tested them - none would have shown any increase in power of that magnitude. Hi David, That's all very interesting information about your car. And also your coments about Ruperts power figures. At present I am working on a tool, used with a laptop that will allow you to do the tuning you did with the Dastek, but enabling the modified maps to be blown into a new EPROM so you can keep the standard ECUs with no add on boxes. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My messing around did cost hundreds and gained me just 20 bhp on > the claimed factory output.....but the "straightening out" of the 928's > flat-spot transforms the way it drives > Hi David, Well the tool will allow people to do "one off" tuning per car. The main advantage is that once the EPROM is optimised, you can plug it in, and the car is otherwise standard as far as wiring, hardware etc. With some work, we have overcome issues in the Bosch/Porsche software, and are assisting some guys in the USA with re-mapping the fuelling on their supercharged cars. I agree that improved drivablility makes a huge difference to driving pleasure ! Worth the money ! Regards John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gareth.northwood at virgin.net Thu Feb 12 21:26:36 2004 From: gareth.northwood at virgin.net (Gareth Northwood) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:26:36 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Update Message-ID: <013c01c3f1ae$e75337a0$9b05fd3e@1> Hello all, Even smaller update today at http://www.928.org.uk/~go928 Cleveland makes its debut thanks to Mike Earl and his 86 S2 with headlight conversion. Thanks all, keep the pics and details coming. Gareth _____________ New, Changed & Pics Added: Mike Earl Richard Armstrong Graham Orr From dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 12 22:06:43 2004 From: dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk (Steve & Dawn) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:06:43 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Update In-Reply-To: <013c01c3f1ae$e75337a0$9b05fd3e@1> Message-ID: <000a01c3f1b4$8284bb90$25a12952@steve8olbxz78h> Wow Mike all power to you your conversion looks great. Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gareth Northwood Sent: 12 February 2004 21:27 To: 928 forum Subject: [928uk] Update Hello all, Even smaller update today at http://www.928.org.uk/~go928 Cleveland makes its debut thanks to Mike Earl and his 86 S2 with headlight conversion. Thanks all, keep the pics and details coming. Gareth _____________ New, Changed & Pics Added: Mike Earl Richard Armstrong Graham Orr _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 12 22:57:46 2004 From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:57:46 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors Message-ID: <460o205g98psrq1kaoe0k72mpblsb4npvt@4ax.com> Hi, finally got my car back from Chris. He had it for over 2 weeks. Needless to say, the bill was pretty hefty at 2k, but it's running noticeably better and he's sorted out a few problems I'd been living with. Part of it was just a belt/water pump service so at least I don't have to worry about that for a while. I was deliberating over whether or not to get the pump changed. Chris found a date on it indicating it was over 10 years old so we decided it was worth doing. A lot of the bill was labour. There were a number of oil leaks that needed sorting out. I needed new cam cover gaskets and spark plug seals. The breather hose needed replacing too. We're hoping that was the cause of a stalling problem I've had for the past 12months. Anyway all sorted now - just hope my wife doesn't find out the cost. When she asked me how much it was I had to divide the bill by 2 for fear of starting a domestic! Cheers, John '90 928 S4 Auto BTW - Angus, Chris Sanderson has tried numerous times to subscribe to the group. He's having trouble. He's obviously better with cars than he is with computers! From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 12 23:55:14 2004 From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:55:14 +0000 Subject: [928uk] central unlocking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:29:57 +0000, you wrote: >Seems the gremlins have tracked me down. Sure this one was discussed >recently but can't remember the outcome. > >Drivers door locks and then immediately unlocks by itself. Doesn't >turn off the alarm, just pops the lock button back up. Strangely it >does this exactly 6 times in a row and then stays locked on the 7th go. > > >The problem must be directly linked to me unbolting the door lock >cylinder before trying (unsuccessfully) to remove it. Problem started >almost immediately after. Have heard 'micro switches' referred to. >Presumably something now out of adjustment and requiring a door card >removal job on a sunny weekend? > >Any advice appreciated! > >Gareth. > Gareth, I came across a similar problem when I fitted my alloy dooor handles inside the car. After fitting the new handles and putting the trim back, I tried locking the doors. Like you say, it would just pop up again. I discovered that, although minute, the new handles were placing a little more tension on the cable that runs from the handles to the locking mechanism. Once I'd eased the tension using the adjuster by the handle, everything was fine. I found both doors needed adjusting. Perhaps your problem is something similar??? John From david.cresswell at talk21.com Fri Feb 13 00:02:16 2004 From: david.cresswell at talk21.com (David Cresswell) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:02:16 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day References: <1c1.14eb1c1d.2d5ca292@aol.com> <000d01c3f195$695e3a70$f2772ad9@rtsosvo4vuat20> <00d201c3f1a7$c005e4b0$d44526d4@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <002d01c3f1c4$a4188420$2ae72ad9@rtsosvo4vuat20> The "flat-spot" on my 928 was not enough to feel like a "flat-spot" used to feel years ago - when you might have a problem to actually drive through it. I had no idea at all that it was not a perfect power parabola. When we looked at the curve of the graph, it went up and peaked just after 6000 rpm like an upside down "U" every time. But the climb of the curve had a fair sized dent in it from about 3500 to 5000 rpm. (probably to do with inlet manifold changing). Now my car still has this dent but very much less than before we started. The difference mid-range is considerable. The top-gear acceleration is better. I have used it quite a bit in hillclimbs and sprints (before and after) and it has always had terrific grunt at any speed but now it feels incredible! (ask Mike T reg) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Watson To: David Cresswell ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Dave, where was this flat spot you talk of, at what range of RPM? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Cresswell To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day John That is really good news and is definitely the "best way to go" so long as each EPROM is "set up" and blown for each individual car before installing in the ECU and is not just provided as an off-the-shelf item. Obviously there are too many variables from car to car to make things like "Superchips" automatically do what the manufactures say they'll do. In fact sometimes they make matters worse. I always think 'you' may have spent hundreds of pounds on one modification or another and gained just a couple of bhp but the car might drive totally differently. My messing around did cost hundreds and gained me just 20 bhp on the claimed factory output.....but the "straightening out" of the 928's flat-spot transforms the way it drives. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com To: david.cresswell at talk21.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In a message dated 12/02/04 01:23:57 GMT Standard Time, david.cresswell at talk21.com writes: I have seen the figures from the recent shoot out and the fact that one car seemed to have 30 odd bhp more than it should have had; to me can only be attributable to a couple of things. Firstly it could have a Devek stroked bottom-end, secondly it was tested in the wrong gear or was suffering massive wheel-spin, or finally there was some discrepancy in the dyno at that point. I am sure you could have taken a thousand 928's straight off the line and tested them - none would have shown any increase in power of that magnitude. Hi David, That's all very interesting information about your car. And also your coments about Ruperts power figures. At present I am working on a tool, used with a laptop that will allow you to do the tuning you did with the Dastek, but enabling the modified maps to be blown into a new EPROM so you can keep the standard ECUs with no add on boxes. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at dawe.com Fri Feb 13 01:00:53 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:00:53 -0000 Subject: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In-Reply-To: <002d01c3f1c4$a4188420$2ae72ad9@rtsosvo4vuat20> Message-ID: I am still in shock! Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of David Cresswell Sent: 13 February 2004 00:02 To: Simon Watson; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day The "flat-spot" on my 928 was not enough to feel like a "flat-spot" used to feel years ago - when you might have a problem to actually drive through it. I had no idea at all that it was not a perfect power parabola. When we looked at the curve of the graph, it went up and peaked just after 6000 rpm like an upside down "U" every time. But the climb of the curve had a fair sized dent in it from about 3500 to 5000 rpm. (probably to do with inlet manifold changing). Now my car still has this dent but very much less than before we started. The difference mid-range is considerable. The top-gear acceleration is better. I have used it quite a bit in hillclimbs and sprints (before and after) and it has always had terrific grunt at any speed but now it feels incredible! (ask Mike T reg) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Watson To: David Cresswell ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day Dave, where was this flat spot you talk of, at what range of RPM? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Cresswell To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day John That is really good news and is definitely the "best way to go" so long as each EPROM is "set up" and blown for each individual car before installing in the ECU and is not just provided as an off-the-shelf item. Obviously there are too many variables from car to car to make things like "Superchips" automatically do what the manufactures say they'll do. In fact sometimes they make matters worse. I always think 'you' may have spent hundreds of pounds on one modification or another and gained just a couple of bhp but the car might drive totally differently. My messing around did cost hundreds and gained me just 20 bhp on the claimed factory output.....but the "straightening out" of the 928's flat-spot transforms the way it drives. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com To: david.cresswell at talk21.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In a message dated 12/02/04 01:23:57 GMT Standard Time, david.cresswell at talk21.com writes: I have seen the figures from the recent shoot out and the fact that one car seemed to have 30 odd bhp more than it should have had; to me can only be attributable to a couple of things. Firstly it could have a Devek stroked bottom-end, secondly it was tested in the wrong gear or was suffering massive wheel-spin, or finally there was some discrepancy in the dyno at that point. I am sure you could have taken a thousand 928's straight off the line and tested them - none would have shown any increase in power of that magnitude. Hi David, That's all very interesting information about your car. And also your coments about Ruperts power figures. 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URL: From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Fri Feb 13 01:53:27 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:53:27 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <200402102046.i1AKkG212382@raq01.multizone.co.uk> References: <200402102046.i1AKkG212382@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: <1076637207.25044.180965356@webmail.messagingengine.com> You can probably confirm with G-Force and the other guys but i think if memory serves right Ruperts car had 3 runs within 1 BHP on the wheels, in fact i think the 3 runs were within 0.3 BHP. A few kept getting lower, a few kept creeping up and a few stayed more or less the same but as far as i can remember Ruperts was most consistant. Joe, 83S Auto, 253BHP wheels, 14.66sec 101mph 1/4 mile, still smiling, still wondering where my low end power is???. > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:18:55 EST > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day > To: SWalker at ndsuk.com, adrian928 at tesco.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk > Message-ID: <130.2af1aa61.2d5a505f at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a message dated 10/02/04 15:15:00 GMT Standard Time, SWalker at ndsuk.com > writes: > > > As for the other results - I think most are good, given the accuracy claims > > of the dyno manufacturer. The Rupert result does stand out as though it is > > "rogue", but Chris spent a long time testing &re-testing Rupert's GT. He must > > have had about 8 runs on the dyno. The peak figures were repeated to within a > > few hp. Definitely not in the wrong gear! > > > > My GT showed 274.6bhp at the wheels, and posted a 14.3 sec Pod time last > > April. So that stacks up in my mind. And in "shootout" dyno mode lots of > > parameters are locked down to prevent erroneous data entries between cars. So I > > can't explain the Rupert GT figures, but it was nothing obvious if it was an > > error! > > Hi Scott, > There's a thread on Rennlist about a 928 GT that measured 331rwhp at a > recent > dyno day in the USA. > > The car had lots of modifications ! > > I find the G Force figure for Rupert's GT very hard to believe in this > instance > > John -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Fri Feb 13 02:19:53 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:19:53 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Re: Fuel switch or MAFF? 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <200402121200.i1CC0H230873@raq01.multizone.co.uk> References: <200402121200.i1CC0H230873@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: <1076638793.27930.180966012@webmail.messagingengine.com> Nigel, the Full throttle switch wasn't picked up on the Dyno (lower than expected power was) it was picked up on the diagnostic tester as a definate fault, foot flat to the floor the tester was still showing open circuit on the full throttle switch whenit should have showed closed, knock sensors showed ok, don't know if the hammer picks up MAFF faults or not but it showed a fault with the throttle switch, if you think it may be a MAFF fault contact JDSPorsche to check it first, or see AdrianSE for a hammer test before forking out for a more expensive second opinion. atb, Joe > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:08:24 EST > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [928uk] Fuel switch or MAFF? > To: porsche.gb at ntlworld.com > Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Message-ID: <54.224a25d9.2d5c01d8 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a message dated 11/02/04 18:40:10 GMT Standard Time, > porsche.gb at ntlworld.com writes: > > > Is there any way to check whether the air MAFF is working OK? Was told by > > G-Force Motorsport on the Dyno Day it was the fuel switch wrong on my GTS, > > but JZ Machtech say they will do a Dyno at their place to see if it could be > > the air MAFF and not the fuel switch. Is this wise advise or am I paying out > > for just another Dyno for nothing. > > > > Hi Nigel, > It's easy to check out the WOT switch with the Bosch Hammer - 5 minutes, > cost > very little. > Or you can easily do it with a simple multimeter yourself. > > If the switch is OK, then it could be the MAF. They have to be calibrated > to > within 2% or power will suffer. But using a rolling raod to check the CO > is > greater than 3% at WOT and full power is a very expensive way to find out > if the > MAF is U/S. > > I have a calibrated test jig for the MAF, accurate to 0.25%. I can check > out > your MAF for a nominal 20GBP. > > See my web site www.jdsporsche.com for more details. > > John > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.multizone.co.uk/pipermail/928uk/attachments/20040211/b21ec475/attachment-0001.htm > -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From grahambates at shoal.net.au Fri Feb 13 06:50:53 2004 From: grahambates at shoal.net.au (Graham Bates) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:50:53 +1100 Subject: [928uk] Re: 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 16 References: <200402102046.i1AKkG212382@raq01.multizone.co.uk> <1076637207.25044.180965356@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <005c01c3f1fd$cda88860$3fa7cacb@grahambates> > Joe, 83S Auto, 253BHP wheels, 14.66sec 101mph 1/4 mile, still smiling, > still wondering where my low end power is???. > Joe, Might I suggest you experiment with another straight thru muffler right at the end of your exhaust system. With my car I built a 3 inch system with a straight thru muffler where the resonator was. Went well but was dreadful at low revs, with another 3 inch straight thru at the end, the improvement was dramatic. Regards, Graham Bates '82 928s From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net Fri Feb 13 08:32:49 2004 From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:32:49 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 EPROM/ LH Jetronic In-Reply-To: <192.25b6d852.2d5d4843@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi John Pardon my ignorance, but is the EPROM part of the Jetronic brain, or does it live somewhere else? If the LH Jetronic unit dies, are you able to repair it, or do we all rely on the nice people at Porsche to sell us a replacement? Kingsley -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Sent: 12 February 2004 21:21 To: david.cresswell at talk21.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] G-Force Motorsport Dyno Day In a message dated 12/02/04 18:25:19 GMT Standard Time, david.cresswell at talk21.com writes: That is really good news and is definitely the "best way to go" so long as each EPROM is "set up" and blown for each individual car before installing in the ECU and is not just provided as an off-the-shelf item. Obviously there are too many variables from car to car to make things like "Superchips" automatically do what the manufactures say they'll do. In fact sometimes they make matters worse. I always think 'you' may have spent hundreds of pounds on one modification or another and gained just a couple of bhp but the car might drive totally differently. My messing around did cost hundreds and gained me just 20 bhp on the claimed factory output.....but the "straightening out" of the 928's flat-spot transforms the way it drives Hi David, Well the tool will allow people to do "one off" tuning per car. The main advantage is that once the EPROM is optimised, you can plug it in, and the car is otherwise standard as far as wiring, hardware etc. With some work, we have overcome issues in the Bosch/Porsche software, and are assisting some guys in the USA with re-mapping the fuelling on their supercharged cars. I agree that improved drivablility makes a huge difference to driving pleasure ! Worth the money ! Regards John From drnickyeah at hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 09:08:56 2004 From: drnickyeah at hotmail.com (nicholas skudder) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:08:56 +0000 Subject: [928uk] repairable nearside front wing; free Message-ID: hi all, i have a damaged but repairable nearside front wing from my 86s2 free if anyone is interested. it is currently in a bodyshop in great yarmouth and could be repaired by them if needed. please contact myself for details. nick. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the net and talk on the phone with Xtra Jetstream @ http://www.xtra.co.nz/products/0,,5803,00.html ! From drnagwagner at hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 09:57:01 2004 From: drnagwagner at hotmail.com (dr. nag wagner) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:57:01 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Spotted Thursday Message-ID: Good morning each Picked up the 928S auto from Paul Anderson's having borrowed Jon Jeffrey's old 928 for a couple of days (poor old thing!) and clocked (only) one of Bill R's cars up on a ramp and went to give an opinion at Wotton Lawn, Gloucester. There outside was an extraodinary 928 - LHD in a wierd metallic purple and/or green depending on where you stood and a funny reg that looked German from the rear and a smart attache case inside that I'm sure would have attracted any substance abuser walking past. Who in temptation was that? Nick _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From cclt2 at btinternet.com Fri Feb 13 10:14:47 2004 From: cclt2 at btinternet.com (cclt2 at btinternet.com) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:14:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [928uk] PAUL ANDERSON'S LOAN CAR Message-ID: <2876053.1076667287275.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> For those still reluctant to join the Paul Anderson club, they ought to know that his loan car is nothing more, nothing less than a 928 ! A 1978 or 1979 model, I can't remember, and it drives very well, incredible for a car that old. In 1978/79 Margareth Thatcher wasn't yet prime minister or had just become one, Jimmy Carter was still the President of the United States and there had not been a Falkland's war yet ! Anyway, just over the phone, Paul Anderson was able to diagnose problems with my S2 that other mechanics couldn't, even after taking the whole car apart. I recommend him. Arsene Lupin, 1986 928 S2 in Stroud and a 1978/79 928 on a loan From cclt2 at btinternet.com Fri Feb 13 10:45:19 2004 From: cclt2 at btinternet.com (cclt2 at btinternet.com) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:45:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [928uk] Mobile speed cameras Message-ID: <6157438.1076669119516.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> I think you are fine, the Police have 14 days to serve the Notice of Intended Prosecution so, congratulations ! You never know what you receive over the post these days, it is nerve wrecking ! By the way, I read in the paper the other day that more people get jailed for driving offences than for burglaries. Arsene Lupin, 1986 S2 From: Richard Armstrong Subject: [928uk] Mobile speed cameras To: Hans928 , 928uk at 928.org.uk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Hans After ranting about overtaking whilst there was a mobile camera van on the other side of the road in a lay-by on the A4 I have been waiting for the inevitable letter. As I have not had a notice of intended prosecution after nearly 4 weeks can I assume I have got away with it? God knows how, - but someone said that some of these vans are looking for Road Tax dodgers. Is that so? Richard. (Much relieved!) From kal at funkychimp.com Fri Feb 13 10:49:44 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:49:44 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors In-Reply-To: <460o205g98psrq1kaoe0k72mpblsb4npvt@4ax.com> Message-ID: <001201c3f21f$1aa4ecf0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> I had a similar problem last year with my missus, it was sorted by me disabling certain things on her car and then making out to have taken it to the garage to get sorted when in reality I just used it for work where it sat and then before I left I'd sort the problem and then on arriving home claim that I'd picked it up from the garage and it had cost xxxx to have put right. She therefore was under the impression that her little peugeot was costing as much to run as my car. When the battery on her romote alarm and locking fob gave out, i took it to work got a new battery for the fob and when I got home told her that it had had to have 2 motors on the electric door locking replaced and part of the alarm system. It's quite funny really 'cause I know nothing about cars and most of the stuff I make up probably doesn't even exist in the real world, anyway hey ho, it stops her carping on about the cost of running my car. Does this make me a bad person? Regards kal -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of John Hambilton Sent: 12 February 2004 22:58 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors Hi, finally got my car back from Chris. He had it for over 2 weeks. Needless to say, the bill was pretty hefty at 2k, but it's running noticeably better and he's sorted out a few problems I'd been living with. Part of it was just a belt/water pump service so at least I don't have to worry about that for a while. I was deliberating over whether or not to get the pump changed. Chris found a date on it indicating it was over 10 years old so we decided it was worth doing. A lot of the bill was labour. There were a number of oil leaks that needed sorting out. I needed new cam cover gaskets and spark plug seals. The breather hose needed replacing too. We're hoping that was the cause of a stalling problem I've had for the past 12months. Anyway all sorted now - just hope my wife doesn't find out the cost. When she asked me how much it was I had to divide the bill by 2 for fear of starting a domestic! Cheers, John '90 928 S4 Auto BTW - Angus, Chris Sanderson has tried numerous times to subscribe to the group. He's having trouble. He's obviously better with cars than he is with computers! _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From hans.shark928 at virgin.net Fri Feb 13 11:10:23 2004 From: hans.shark928 at virgin.net (Hans928) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:10:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Reminder + info for attendees SW Meet References: <00d901c3efb9$43a9de20$89720252@w8s0p7> Message-ID: <001001c3f221$fa179d40$148b0252@w8s0p7> Final reminder for the South West Meet - details below. Charles has kindly agreed to make up some name cards a la Cothill. Those who already have the lanyards, could they bring them on the day please, to keep Charles' costs down. I will be sending him a list of attendees on Monday, so if you are not on the list below, please let me know if you are likely to attend. See you there. Cheers. Hans. For Attendees, see bottom of message. Dear all Just to plug, well in advance, a South West Meet is to be held on Saturday 21st February. All 928s are welcome.( uk and gb lists etc.) Not just those in the S-W either ! Venue is confirmed Cross Hands Hotel. Old Sodbury South Gloucestershire ( 2 miles north of jtn 18 M4 on the A46. ) We have used their car park in the past. It is huge. I have obtained permission from the hotel manager given that we may get more than the 6 - 8 cars that attend normally. 11.30 onwards. ( The hotel bar shuts at 3.00pm) The Queen stayed at the hotel years ago, 1981, refuge during a blizzard, so if it 's alright for her, we should be OK !! Make sure you wrap up warm though. Hans. 87 / 91 S4s ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So far, the ( south - west ) meet scheduled for 21st February 2004 has the following attending... Hans S4 91 Charles van Asma S2 86 Mark Birri S4 88 Clyde S4 88 Richard Armstrong ? John Bevan S2 83 Don Peach S4 88 Paul Anderson ( probable ) car TBA ! Ken Trueman GTS 93 Leigh Coldwell S2 86 Graham Henderson S4 middle east origin ! ( probable attendee ) Gareth Clarke potential buyer Apologies from --------------------- Vic ( Nicholls ) away Joe working on-ship Richard Pierce work commitment Paul Thorn away Alan Baldwin family commitment -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:41:13 2004 From: kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com (Kenrick Ramlochan) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:41:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors In-Reply-To: <001201c3f21f$1aa4ecf0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> Message-ID: <20040213154113.90896.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Kal No, you should really open a garage. You can be in charge of writing the invoices up. Kenrick --- Kal wrote: > I had a similar problem last year with my missus, it > was sorted by me > disabling certain things on her car and then making > out to have taken it to > the garage to get sorted when in reality I just used > it for work where it > sat and then before I left I'd sort the problem and > then on arriving home > claim that I'd picked it up from the garage and it > had cost xxxx to have put > right. She therefore was under the impression that > her little peugeot was > costing as much to run as my car. When the battery > on her romote alarm and > locking fob gave out, i took it to work got a new > battery for the fob and > when I got home told her that it had had to have 2 > motors on the electric > door locking replaced and part of the alarm system. > It's quite funny really > 'cause I know nothing about cars and most of the > stuff I make up probably > doesn't even exist in the real world, anyway hey ho, > it stops her carping on > about the cost of running my car. > > Does this make me a bad person? > > Regards > > kal > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 17:01:00 2004 From: ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com (brendan o'callaghan) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:01:00 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors Message-ID: I remember once when I doing about 130 with my wife.(She rarely goes above 70!) She shouted slow down your doing 130!.. I paused briefly before saying it was kilometers per hour dear. This calmed her down. Though she did ask why the other cars were going so slow! Didn't have an answer to that one. Brendan >From: "Kal" >To: "'John Hambilton'" , ><928uk at 928.org.uk> >Subject: RE: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:49:44 -0000 > >I had a similar problem last year with my missus, it was sorted by me >disabling certain things on her car and then making out to have taken it to >the garage to get sorted when in reality I just used it for work where it >sat and then before I left I'd sort the problem and then on arriving home >claim that I'd picked it up from the garage and it had cost xxxx to have >put >right. She therefore was under the impression that her little peugeot was >costing as much to run as my car. When the battery on her romote alarm and >locking fob gave out, i took it to work got a new battery for the fob and >when I got home told her that it had had to have 2 motors on the electric >door locking replaced and part of the alarm system. It's quite funny really >'cause I know nothing about cars and most of the stuff I make up probably >doesn't even exist in the real world, anyway hey ho, it stops her carping >on >about the cost of running my car. > >Does this make me a bad person? > >Regards > >kal > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf >Of John Hambilton >Sent: 12 February 2004 22:58 >To: 928uk at 928.org.uk >Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors > > >Hi, > >finally got my car back from Chris. He had it for over 2 weeks. Needless to >say, the bill was pretty hefty at 2k, but it's running noticeably better >and >he's sorted out a few problems I'd been living with. > >Part of it was just a belt/water pump service so at least I don't have to >worry about that for a while. I was deliberating over whether or not to get >the pump changed. Chris found a date on it indicating it was over 10 years >old so we decided it was worth doing. > >A lot of the bill was labour. There were a number of oil leaks that needed >sorting out. I needed new cam cover gaskets and spark plug seals. The >breather hose needed replacing too. We're hoping that was the cause of a >stalling problem I've had for the past 12months. > >Anyway all sorted now - just hope my wife doesn't find out the cost. When >she asked me how much it was I had to divide the bill by 2 for fear of >starting a domestic! > >Cheers, > >John > >'90 928 S4 Auto > >BTW - Angus, Chris Sanderson has tried numerous times to subscribe to the >group. He's having trouble. He's obviously better with cars than he is with >computers! >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk > > > >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Fri Feb 13 17:56:36 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:56:36 EST Subject: [928uk] Re: Fuel switch or MAFF? 928uk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18 Message-ID: <12e.3b98406c.2d5e69d4@aol.com> In a message dated 13/02/04 02:20:34 GMT Standard Time, joe_icecool at fastmail.fm writes: > don't know if the hammer picks up MAFF faults or > not but it showed a fault with the throttle switch, if you think it may > be a MAFF fault contact JDSPorsche to check it first, or see AdrianSE for > a hammer test before forking out for a more expensive second opinion. > The only MAF fault a Hammer will show is very low output from the MAF. This forces the ECU into "limp home" mode. The car can run like a pig well before the HAmmer will pick it up ! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Feb 13 18:04:32 2004 From: john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk (John Hambilton) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:04:32 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors In-Reply-To: <001201c3f21f$1aa4ecf0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> References: <460o205g98psrq1kaoe0k72mpblsb4npvt@4ax.com> <001201c3f21f$1aa4ecf0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:49:44 -0000, you wrote: >I had a similar problem last year with my missus, it was sorted by me >disabling certain things on her car and then making out to have taken it to >the garage to get sorted when in reality I just used it for work where it >sat and then before I left I'd sort the problem and then on arriving home >claim that I'd picked it up from the garage and it had cost xxxx to have put >right. She therefore was under the impression that her little peugeot was >costing as much to run as my car. When the battery on her romote alarm and >locking fob gave out, i took it to work got a new battery for the fob and >when I got home told her that it had had to have 2 motors on the electric >door locking replaced and part of the alarm system. It's quite funny really >'cause I know nothing about cars and most of the stuff I make up probably >doesn't even exist in the real world, anyway hey ho, it stops her carping on >about the cost of running my car. > >Does this make me a bad person? > >Regards > >kal > I like your style Kal - may have to try that myself! The way I look at it is... ignorance is bliss. We're helping our wifes avoid stress. Cheers, John From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Fri Feb 13 18:28:35 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:28:35 EST Subject: [928uk] Re: 928 EPROM/ LH Jetronic Message-ID: <1ed.18f7d414.2d5e7153@aol.com> In a message dated 13/02/04 08:32:00 GMT Standard Time, kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net writes: > Hi John > > Pardon my ignorance, but is the EPROM part of the Jetronic brain, or does it > live somewhere else? > > If the LH Jetronic unit dies, are you able to repair it, or do we all rely > on the nice people at Porsche to sell us a replacement? > > Kingsley > Hi Kingsley, The EPROM sits inside the LH ECU (fuel computer). There's another lurking inside the EZK ECU (ignition). They control the fuel/igntion for all operating conditions. All the data is stored in a series of "maps" which store all the parameters required. Yes, I can repair LH ECUs, for all 928s from 1987 onwards. they are very prone to failure. I charge 310GBP, and warranty for 2 years. Porsche will charge about 1300GBP for an exchange LH ECU. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marton at befree.ch Fri Feb 13 19:39:20 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton hasenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:39:20 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors References: <460o205g98psrq1kaoe0k72mpblsb4npvt@4ax.com><001201c3f21f$1aa4ecf0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> Message-ID: <010a01c3f269$13792460$85c8a73e@marton> > > > >Does this make me a bad person? Depends, do you make her give you the money for these mythical repairs? Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hambilton" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:49:44 -0000, you wrote: > > >I had a similar problem last year with my missus, it was sorted by me > >disabling certain things on her car and then making out to have taken it to > >the garage to get sorted when in reality I just used it for work where it From simonblyth at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Feb 13 20:34:49 2004 From: simonblyth at blueyonder.co.uk (simon blyth) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:34:49 -0000 Subject: [928uk] carcoon charger Message-ID: <001801c3f270$d3f73b80$ae312952@Jasmine> Thanks to all for the charger advice. Ordered and it came today. Questions: 1. Do I have to remove the battery to charge it or to use the carcoon to maintain the charge ?? I thought I could leave the battery in the car without disconnecting anything but the instruction manual says to remove the battery. 2. Also it says should be in a well ventilated area. Was planning to charge the car in the garage and leave it all on while the car not in use. Anybody confirm this is ok ? Cheers, Simon GTS, Edinburgh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Fri Feb 13 20:47:50 2004 From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:50 EST Subject: [928uk] carcoon charger Message-ID: <124.2ade85e4.2d5e91f6@aol.com> In a message dated 13/02/04 20:35:38 GMT Standard Time, simonblyth at blueyonder.co.uk writes: > > > Questions: > > > Do I have to remove the battery to charge it or to use the carcoon to > maintain the charge ?? I thought I could leave the battery in the car without > disconnecting anything but the instruction manual says to remove the battery. > Also it says should be in a well ventilated area. Was planning to charge > the car in the garage and leave it all on while the car not in use. Anybody > confirm this is ok ? Hi Simon, Assuming you have the standard Carcoon "Automatic battery maintainer and charger....." then yes, you can leave the battery in the car, and it will compensate for the load taken by the alarm etc. As it has a very low charging rate, so very little gas is given off. It is quite safe to use in a garage. I connected one of the leads they supply to the assembly under the "jump start" terminal in the engine bay. It's then easy to open the bonnet, and connect the charger. Some people have connected the lead directly to the battery, and then have the connector just behind the tool tray. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kal at funkychimp.com Fri Feb 13 21:47:29 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:47:29 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors In-Reply-To: <010a01c3f269$13792460$85c8a73e@marton> Message-ID: exactly, and i bought her the car in the first place, so i'm only ripping myself off...... -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of marton hasenberg Sent: 13 February 2004 19:39 To: John Hambilton; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors > > > >Does this make me a bad person? Depends, do you make her give you the money for these mythical repairs? Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hambilton" To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:49:44 -0000, you wrote: > > >I had a similar problem last year with my missus, it was sorted by me > >disabling certain things on her car and then making out to have taken it to > >the garage to get sorted when in reality I just used it for work where it _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Torsion Internet Ltd, and is believed to be clean. From gareth.northwood at virgin.net Fri Feb 13 22:09:21 2004 From: gareth.northwood at virgin.net (Gareth Northwood) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:09:21 -0000 Subject: [928uk] owner / location update Message-ID: <008a01c3f27e$093d01a0$7e04fd3e@1> A couple more brave souls are now on the lists at http://www.928.org.uk/~go928 We're welcoming a new continent today with the arrival of Gerhard Van Zyl and his S2 in South Africa. Andy's very nice sounding GTS helps keep Surrey well in the lead on the distribution table. Will anyone catch them? Thanks and keep the pics and details coming. Gareth _____________ New, Changed & Pics Added: Andy Smith Gerhard Van Zyl From mike at dawe.com Fri Feb 13 22:19:58 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:19:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] carcoon charger In-Reply-To: <124.2ade85e4.2d5e91f6@aol.com> Message-ID: John,you have raised an important issue here. My elderly auto electrical 'expert' told me to charge my battery by doing as you have with your Carcoon and connecting my 4 amp (max) charger to the jump start terminal under the bonnet. He reckoned that as it could withstand a jump start current it would be OK..... I have a 79 car which is far less electrically sophisticated than the later cars with all their ECUs,etc. In the interests of 928 owners I have been conducting an amateur field test and I have to report that I have been on the same battery for 2.5 years and it seems OK, notwithstanding the fact that it has had quite a lot of abuse,viz.the car is only started once a fortnight at best. I never let the battery go completely flat but charge it for two days prior to making a trip. All this buggering about in the battery compartment is a bind; Have we an answer here or have I just been lucky? Mike(T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of JDSPorsche928 at aol.com Sent: 13 February 2004 20:48 To: simonblyth at blueyonder.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] carcoon charger In a message dated 13/02/04 20:35:38 GMT Standard Time, simonblyth at blueyonder.co.uk writes: Questions: Do I have to remove the battery to charge it or to use the carcoon to maintain the charge ?? I thought I could leave the battery in the car without disconnecting anything but the instruction manual says to remove the battery. Also it says should be in a well ventilated area. Was planning to charge the car in the garage and leave it all on while the car not in use. Anybody confirm this is ok ? Hi Simon, Assuming you have the standard Carcoon "Automatic battery maintainer and charger....." then yes, you can leave the battery in the car, and it will compensate for the load taken by the alarm etc. As it has a very low charging rate, so very little gas is given off. It is quite safe to use in a garage. I connected one of the leads they supply to the assembly under the "jump start" terminal in the engine bay. It's then easy to open the bonnet, and connect the charger. Some people have connected the lead directly to the battery, and then have the connector just behind the tool tray. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian928 at tesco.net Fri Feb 13 22:49:00 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:49:00 +0000 Subject: [928uk] owner / location update Message-ID: <20040213224901.GMP5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> Keep up the good work Gareth - interesting info. Do we know how many manuals v Auto's BTW, I didn't know Paul Andersen had a GTS? Adrian > > From: "Gareth Northwood" > Date: 2004/02/13 Fri PM 10:09:21 GMT > To: "928 forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: [928uk] owner / location update > > A couple more brave souls are now on the lists at > http://www.928.org.uk/~go928 > > We're welcoming a new continent today with the arrival of Gerhard Van Zyl > and his S2 in South Africa. > > Andy's very nice sounding GTS helps keep Surrey well in the lead on the > distribution table. Will anyone catch them? > > Thanks and keep the pics and details coming. > > Gareth > _____________ > New, Changed & Pics Added: > > Andy Smith > Gerhard Van Zyl > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Fri Feb 13 22:55:30 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:55:30 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors (Don't let your wife read this) vaguely 928OT In-Reply-To: <001201c3f21f$1aa4ecf0$c801a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP> Message-ID: Kal If you disable my car do I have to send you my wife ? Or, if I send you my wife will she disable you and send me your car.? Why did I marry an Engineer who is blind to these kind of ruses. Jon do you happen to know if 91 Range Rovers have cast iron or cast steel front brake calipers ? > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Kal > Sent: 13 February 2004 10:50 > To: 'John Hambilton'; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: RE: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors > > > I had a similar problem last year with my missus, it was sorted by me > disabling certain things on her car and then making out to have > taken it to > the garage to get sorted when in reality I just used it for work where it > sat and then before I left I'd sort the problem and then on arriving home > claim that I'd picked it up from the garage and it had cost xxxx > to have put > right. She therefore was under the impression that her little peugeot was > costing as much to run as my car. When the battery on her romote alarm and > locking fob gave out, i took it to work got a new battery for the fob and > when I got home told her that it had had to have 2 motors on the electric > door locking replaced and part of the alarm system. It's quite > funny really > 'cause I know nothing about cars and most of the stuff I make up probably > doesn't even exist in the real world, anyway hey ho, it stops her > carping on > about the cost of running my car. > > Does this make me a bad person? > > Regards > > kal > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf > Of John Hambilton > Sent: 12 February 2004 22:58 > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors > > > Hi, > > finally got my car back from Chris. He had it for over 2 weeks. > Needless to > say, the bill was pretty hefty at 2k, but it's running noticeably > better and > he's sorted out a few problems I'd been living with. > > Part of it was just a belt/water pump service so at least I don't have to > worry about that for a while. I was deliberating over whether or > not to get > the pump changed. Chris found a date on it indicating it was over 10 years > old so we decided it was worth doing. > > A lot of the bill was labour. There were a number of oil leaks that needed > sorting out. I needed new cam cover gaskets and spark plug seals. The > breather hose needed replacing too. We're hoping that was the cause of a > stalling problem I've had for the past 12months. > > Anyway all sorted now - just hope my wife doesn't find out the cost. When > she asked me how much it was I had to divide the bill by 2 for fear of > starting a domestic! > > Cheers, > > John > > '90 928 S4 Auto > > BTW - Angus, Chris Sanderson has tried numerous times to subscribe to the > group. He's having trouble. He's obviously better with cars than > he is with > computers! > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 14 00:19:19 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:19:19 -0000 Subject: [928uk] PAUL ANDERSON'S LOAN CAR References: <2876053.1076667287275.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <016601c3f290$315ac2f0$3d1d893e@CARLTONCOURT> If the reg is CSU 428, it's Jon Jeffrey,s old un!! Will have an Anderson RMB fitted, regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: [928uk] PAUL ANDERSON'S LOAN CAR > For those still reluctant to join the Paul Anderson club, they ought to know that his loan car is nothing more, nothing less than a 928 ! A 1978 or 1979 model, I can't remember, and it drives very well, incredible for a car that old. In 1978/79 Margareth Thatcher wasn't yet prime minister or had just become one, Jimmy Carter was still the President of the United States and there had not been a Falkland's war yet ! > > Anyway, just over the phone, Paul Anderson was able to diagnose problems with my S2 that other mechanics couldn't, even after taking the whole car apart. > > I recommend him. > > Arsene Lupin, 1986 928 S2 in Stroud and a 1978/79 928 on a loan > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 14 01:17:46 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:17:46 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Magazine feature for 928 References: <001601c3ef52$918e88a0$f4f57ad5@john> Message-ID: <041f01c3f298$5b832ce0$3d1d893e@CARLTONCOURT> In the next month or so I hope to see an article in Practical Classics featuring Jon Jeffreys 1979 car and my S4..also staged at Bruntingthorpe. it's the cradle to grave feature so if you see it in the shops before I do please let me know, regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John Oakes To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: [928uk] Magazine feature for 928 On Friday the 13th February at Bruntingthorpe Aerodrome will be a photo shoot by Classics Magazine for Coupes from the 1980,s. They are doing a six page spread on the following cars, Porsche 928 S2, Jaguar XJS V12 & Mercedes SLC. I now this has been done before when they were new, so should make it different now they are about 20 years old & nice to read some new with regards to the 928. If any one needs any more information, please e mail back or post on the 928 site. rgds John Oakes S2 1984 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul Anderson has got 2 GTSs & 7 SEs CB ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Gareth Northwood" ; "928 forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] owner / location update > Keep up the good work Gareth - interesting info. Do we know how many manuals v Auto's > > BTW, I didn't know Paul Andersen had a GTS? > > Adrian > > > > From: "Gareth Northwood" > > Date: 2004/02/13 Fri PM 10:09:21 GMT > > To: "928 forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > Subject: [928uk] owner / location update > > > > A couple more brave souls are now on the lists at > > http://www.928.org.uk/~go928 > > > > We're welcoming a new continent today with the arrival of Gerhard Van Zyl > > and his S2 in South Africa. > > > > Andy's very nice sounding GTS helps keep Surrey well in the lead on the > > distribution table. Will anyone catch them? > > > > Thanks and keep the pics and details coming. > > > > Gareth > > _____________ > > New, Changed & Pics Added: > > > > Andy Smith > > Gerhard Van Zyl > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 928uk mailing list > > 928uk at 928.org.uk > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > > 928.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From angusf at 928.org.uk Sat Feb 14 13:23:50 2004 From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:23:50 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 uk list stats.. Message-ID: <072BA9FE-5EF1-11D8-84B3-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk> We are 343 email participants. Its an all time record. Its hovered up or around 340 for a while but its consistently above 340 now so I thought I would announce it. In January we received on average 264 visits per day. On average we served 630 pages per day. We served 113808 files and delivered around 300k of data per day. The site is consistenly busy at lunchtime and in the early evening and was up with 100% availability in January except for two reboots one Sunday. Thats pretty amazing. Angus From ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Feb 14 16:04:48 2004 From: ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK (ROBDEB) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:04:48 -0000 Subject: [928uk] s4 door/sill panels Message-ID: <001e01c3f314$4562bc60$4ff64f51@rob> will s4 door and sill mouldings fit an 83s thanks Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kal at funkychimp.com Sat Feb 14 16:03:55 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:03:55 -0000 Subject: [928uk] TOW BAR Message-ID: Phil, i've left your email address at work and i need it to send you the Tow Bar pics, mail me of list cheers kal -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Torsion Internet Ltd, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cclt2 at btinternet.com Sat Feb 14 21:42:31 2004 From: cclt2 at btinternet.com (cclt2 at btinternet.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:42:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [928uk] PAUL ANDERSON'S LOAN CAR Message-ID: <4143614.1076794951835.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Yep, that's the one, but unlike Nick, I find him alright, less torque then mine, more tamable, but fun. Arsene Lupin, 1986 S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM ROBERTSON" To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: 14 February 2004 00:19 Subject: Re: [928uk] PAUL ANDERSON'S LOAN CAR > If the reg is CSU 428, it's Jon Jeffrey,s old un!! Will have an Anderson RMB > fitted, regards, Bill From cclt2 at btinternet.com Sat Feb 14 21:45:28 2004 From: cclt2 at btinternet.com (cclt2 at btinternet.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:45:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [928uk] Car back from Loe Bank Motors Message-ID: <5712452.1076795128813.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> No, you were acting in self-defence, I think it was quite reasonable. > Does this make me a bad person? From Eldavehell at aol.com Sat Feb 14 22:01:28 2004 From: Eldavehell at aol.com (Eldavehell at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:01:28 EST Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport Message-ID: I recently bought the last 928 Club Sport made, chassis WP0ZZZ92ZKS840991. I believe the car was prepared for some track action in Germany. I would like to know what work was carried out on the engine. Therefore can anybody put me in touch with the last German owner (1999)?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian928 at tesco.net Sat Feb 14 22:50:19 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:50:19 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport Message-ID: <20040214225028.VNSC5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> Yes I have the details. Regards Adrian > > From: Eldavehell at aol.com > Date: 2004/02/14 Sat PM 10:01:28 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport > > I recently bought the last 928 Club Sport made, chassis WP0ZZZ92ZKS840991. I > believe the car was prepared for some track action in Germany. I would like to > know what work was carried out on the engine. Therefore can anybody put me in > touch with the last German owner (1999)?? > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Eldavehell at aol.com Sat Feb 14 22:56:55 2004 From: Eldavehell at aol.com (Eldavehell at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:56:55 EST Subject: [928uk] Club Sport Message-ID: OK Adrian, let me have the details. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Eldavehell at aol.com Sat Feb 14 23:02:48 2004 From: Eldavehell at aol.com (Eldavehell at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:02:48 EST Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport Message-ID: <20.228337d7.2d600318@aol.com> OK Adrian, let me have the details. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Feb 15 00:04:00 2004 From: dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk (Steve & Dawn) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:04:00 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport In-Reply-To: <20040214225028.VNSC5179.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]> Message-ID: <001001c3f357$3a4d13a0$25a12952@steve8olbxz78h> Sorry to be nosey, but I would be very interested in knowing the details. Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net Sent: 14 February 2004 22:50 To: Eldavehell at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Club Sport Yes I have the details. Regards Adrian > > From: Eldavehell at aol.com > Date: 2004/02/14 Sat PM 10:01:28 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport > > I recently bought the last 928 Club Sport made, chassis WP0ZZZ92ZKS840991. I > believe the car was prepared for some track action in Germany. I would like to > know what work was carried out on the engine. Therefore can anybody put me in > touch with the last German owner (1999)?? > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From 928cs at noos.fr Sun Feb 15 10:03:49 2004 From: 928cs at noos.fr (Samuel Fournis) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:03:49 +0100 Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport References: <001001c3f357$3a4d13a0$25a12952@steve8olbxz78h> Message-ID: <402F4405.6040207@noos.fr> So do I. Thanks in advance Adrian. Let me know if I need to contact my friend in Germany who saw this car before it was imported in the UK. Regards, Samuel Steve & Dawn a ?crit: > Sorry to be nosey, but I would be very interested in knowing the > details. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On > Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net > Sent: 14 February 2004 22:50 > To: Eldavehell at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Club Sport > > Yes I have the details. > > Regards > Adrian > >>From: Eldavehell at aol.com >>Date: 2004/02/14 Sat PM 10:01:28 GMT >>To: 928uk at 928.org.uk >>Subject: [928uk] 928 Club Sport >> >>I recently bought the last 928 Club Sport made, chassis > > WP0ZZZ92ZKS840991. I > >>believe the car was prepared for some track action in Germany. I would > > like to > >>know what work was carried out on the engine. Therefore can anybody > > put me in > >>touch with the last German owner (1999)?? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>928uk mailing list >>928uk at 928.org.uk >>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >>928.org.uk >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > -- 928 S4 Club-Sport 1989 Taubenblau Rejoignez l'Amicale 928! Site de l'Amicale: http://www.amicale928.org From ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK Sun Feb 15 12:04:24 2004 From: ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK (ROBDEB) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:04:24 -0000 Subject: [928uk] rev counter Message-ID: <001d01c3f3bb$da990080$95bc4d51@rob> Hi everyone Any idea what will cause my rev counter to read low when its ticking over it only reads about 300rpm hope to hear from somebody as i have not had a reply yet i hope its going to the right place thanks Rob 83s -------------- next part -------------- An