From mike at dawe.com Wed Dec 1 00:45:34 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:45:34 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Fuel tank leak In-Reply-To: <32066402.1101850330266.JavaMail.www@wwinf0503> Message-ID: G, I have a 79 model and had to replace the petrol tank. It was finished... I think that the plastic had somehow lost its' strength over the years and eventually just started to melt! Porsche dealer was muttering that a new one was required and it would be over ?600 . In fact I obtained a second hand one from Paul Anderson(Stroud) for a very good price and had it fitted locally ;total cost under ?100. The tank is held in place by two steel straps which you can replace with stainless steel ones which seems a good idea. Care when removing tank, it is v.heavy,even with no petrol in. I remember that we had problems with the fuel pumps. Good luck Mike (T reg) PS make sure that it is a genuine leak before taking the above action...it might just be a leak from a fuel pipe junction. m -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of fluckiger GABRIELLA Sent: 30 November 2004 21:32 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Fuel tank leak Hi I've just noticed that petrol is leaking out of the fuel tank. There seems to be a very small hole at the bottom of the tank. Can this be repaired or do I have to get it changed? any suggestion would help Gabriella 1979 porsche -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Wed Dec 1 01:11:12 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:11:12 GMT Subject: [928uk] Fuel tank leak Message-ID: <20041201011006.A51B6A8B70@viper.snap.net.nz> The small hole you are looking at is probably the drain hole in the metal cover. The leak is probably in one of the pipes on the fuel filter or pump, and is just visible at that hole. You need to get the fuel pump cover removed (two 10mm nuts half way up the back of the tank) then run the engine and see where the fuel is leaking from. Smiffy > Hi > I've just noticed that petrol is leaking out of the fuel tank. There seems to be a very small hole at the bottom of the tank. Can this be repaired or do I have to get it changed? any suggestion would help > Gabriella > 1979 porsche From graham.manning at tso.co.uk Wed Dec 1 08:58:40 2004 From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:58:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] (no subject) Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61508A1FA3C@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Rich, Dunno about Zaino but I just used Mothers on my Merc. Wow! Richard at Crystal Clean (01964 671116) imports it. - Graham (Not connected with Crystal Clean or Mothers in any way, just pleased with the results) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of rich martin Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:48 PM To: 928uk Subject: [928uk] (no subject) Does anyone know what type of paint finish a guards red 88 928 S4 has. Is it clear coated or no-clear coated? Wanted to buy some Zaino polish. Anyone tried it? Rich Manual S4 ********************************************************************************** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. 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If you trap the ends of the wires to the bulb under the spade connectors you can observe the bulb lighting up. If there's no voltage across the connections then you need to look deeper into the electrics, first port of call would be the actual switch. If you need the relevant wiring diagram let me know and I can e-mail it to you. The wiring is quite involved due to the two stage nature of the demister and the self cancelling timer circuit. If you do have 12v then disconnect the power wires and check continuity of the elements on the screen, they are quite low resistance. If there is no continuity across the screen you need a new screen - that's the problem I had, previous owner had cleaned the screen with something abrasive and destroyed the elements. Paul '84 928S2 Turquoise '90 928GT Baltic Blue -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Beocentre at aol.com Sent: 29 November 2004 23:05 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Rear window demister Hi Guys, Does the rear window heating element have its own fuse as mine is not working? If its not a fuse any ideas? Thanks Rob 89 S4 From paul at paullacey.com Wed Dec 1 10:46:39 2004 From: paul at paullacey.com (Paul Lacey) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:46:39 -0000 Subject: [928uk] screeching brakes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rich, Been there, done that ! Remove your pads and smear copper grease on the contact area between the back plate of the pad and the calliper pistons. Don't be too heavy handed, you don't want that stuff on your disks !! Worked for me (don't ask me why) Paul '84 928S2 Turquoise '90 928GT Baltic Blue -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of rich martin Sent: 29 November 2004 21:20 To: 928uk Subject: [928uk] screeching brakes Dear All, Has anyone had squeaky brakes on their 928? I rate myself as vaguely intelligent but I can't get my head around why the friction between pads and discs will cause a screeching with one set and not all of them. I'm sure at the risk of getting far too technical it's to do with resonance and harmonics which is all very interesting but is there anything you can do to fix the problem despite the pads etc being ok without replacing them? Any advice gratefully accepted. Rich Manual S4 From patrickc at hothouse.com.au Wed Dec 1 12:05:52 2004 From: patrickc at hothouse.com.au (Patrick Cusack) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:05:52 +1100 Subject: [928uk] screeching brakes Message-ID: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3E52C813@pigeon.hhi.net.au> Hi Rich, It's caused by harmonic vibrations setting up in the pads when they 'rattle' at frequencies defined by their size/structure. The goo at the back dampens this oscillatory rattle - and they don't groan/squeel. It usually degrades/hardens and stops working after a while. Use more goo. Regards- Pat '89GT ________________________________ From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of Paul Lacey Sent: Wed 01/12/2004 21:46 To: 'rich martin' Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: [928uk] screeching brakes Hi Rich, Been there, done that ! Remove your pads and smear copper grease on the contact area between the back plate of the pad and the calliper pistons. Don't be too heavy handed, you don't want that stuff on your disks !! Worked for me (don't ask me why) Paul '84 928S2 Turquoise '90 928GT Baltic Blue -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of rich martin Sent: 29 November 2004 21:20 To: 928uk Subject: [928uk] screeching brakes Dear All, Has anyone had squeaky brakes on their 928? I rate myself as vaguely intelligent but I can't get my head around why the friction between pads and discs will cause a screeching with one set and not all of them. I'm sure at the risk of getting far too technical it's to do with resonance and harmonics which is all very interesting but is there anything you can do to fix the problem despite the pads etc being ok without replacing them? Any advice gratefully accepted. Rich Manual S4 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dk928 at aol.com Wed Dec 1 16:43:35 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:43:35 EST Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels Message-ID: Hi Guys Can anyone help me out here. I've just been looking at wheels pics on the 928 Information Pages "Wheels and Tyres" where it shows original wheels fitted to various models of the 928 :- 1) CS - Forged 8J & 9J 2) 89GT - Forged 8J & 9J 3) 90GT - Design 90 Cast 8J & 9J All 16" and all ET60 offsets front and rear They all look the same - how do you tell the difference ? Whats the visible difference between a forged wheel and a cast wheel and why did they produce both ? I've been looking at wheels recently (sad I know ) and the only difference thats visibly noticeable is that some have a more convex face - about 15mm proud of the rims and others have a lesser convex face - about level with the rim. Problem is when looking at them I don't know which is an original CS, or an original 89GT or a Design 90 GT. I'd just like to recognise which wheel belongs to which model. Thanks David ( 91 S4 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colincatherall at hotmail.com Wed Dec 1 18:13:46 2004 From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:13:46 +0000 Subject: [928uk] tyres Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Wed Dec 1 19:56:23 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:56:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave CS and 89 GT are the same wheel. D90 are different The simple way to tell the difference between the two CS and D90 is to follow the "spoke" out to the rim of the wheel. The spoke of the CS rim blends smoothly into the outside edge of the rim. The D90 spoke stops about 10mm short of the outside edge of the rim leaving a little "ledge". You presumably have normal S4 wheels on your S4. The CS wheel appears exactly as the S4 wheel but with semi circles cut out instead of slots. If you look at the rear of an S4 wheel you can see where these semicircles would be cut out. Sorry I don't have pics handy Regds Jon Black SE PS Anyone have any 18"x10" Cup " wheels for sale? -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com Sent: 01 December 2004 16:44 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels Hi Guys Can anyone help me out here. I've just been looking at wheels pics on the 928 Information Pages "Wheels and Tyres" where it shows original wheels fitted to various models of the 928 :- 1) CS - Forged 8J & 9J 2) 89GT - Forged 8J & 9J 3) 90GT - Design 90 Cast 8J & 9J All 16" and all ET60 offsets front and rear They all look the same - how do you tell the difference ? Whats the visible difference between a forged wheel and a cast wheel and why did they produce both ? I've been looking at wheels recently (sad I know ) and the only difference thats visibly noticeable is that some have a more convex face - about 15mm proud of the rims and others have a lesser convex face - about level with the rim. Problem is when looking at them I don't know which is an original CS, or an original 89GT or a Design 90 GT. I'd just like to recognise which wheel belongs to which model. Thanks David ( 91 S4 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colincatherall at hotmail.com Wed Dec 1 21:12:38 2004 From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:12:38 +0000 Subject: [928uk] tyres Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gareth.northwood at virgin.net Wed Dec 1 21:34:36 2004 From: gareth.northwood at virgin.net (Gareth Northwood) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:34:36 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Owner Details Update (01/12) Message-ID: <003701c4d7ed$8ea02f20$20e8fc3e@1> Hi all, better late than never! At long last an update to the owner details pages at www.928.org.uk/~go928/, the first since September! Some great new pics added including Dick's S2 on the beach and Jerry's race prepared special. Thanks to all for the details, we're up to 278 fully listed cars now. As usual, please send your 928 pics if you haven't already. Gareth. ___________________________ New details, changed details, new pics Keith Garside David McLoughlin Chris Kenward Rich Martin John Hurst Simon Spain Dick Fairburn Robin Dunmall Corinne Page Paul Berridge Mark Moss Colin McCraith Richard Redmond Jerry De Weerdt John Jarvis Leigh Coldwell From steve at masterman765.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 1 22:45:12 2004 From: steve at masterman765.freeserve.co.uk (steve MASTERMAN) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:45:12 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller References: <001901c4d6d1$f438f960$caca87d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <002601c4d7f7$6bb78620$8dcb4e51@w5n1r9> I plan to come along for my first 928 meeting steve 91GT ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928UK <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller > Just a reminder about Saturday's meeting. > Start from around 11.00a.m. onwards, finish mid to late afternoon depending > upon weather! > > Northern convoy timetable:- > 1. M6 Knutsford services at 8.30a.m. > 2. M6 Toll services at 9.15a.m. > 3. M40 Warwick services 10.30a.m. > > List of people attending below plus a few possible not on the list. Anyone > else want to come along? > > Andrew > > > > Angus Fox > Andrew Brierley > Clyde Lennon > Rob Burrell and Katherine > David Hemmings > Adrian Clark > Simon Watson > John Speake > Nick Carrington > Chris Kenward and Cindy > 10 > Joe Farman > Graham Orr > Donald Peach > Steve & Mandy Dougan > John Chippendale > Alan Vanemden > Richard Pearce > Jonathan Rackowe > Paul Thorn > Colin Seaney > 20 > Ron Smith > Paul Lacey > Chris Clark > Rod Lonsdale and guest > Alan Baldwin > Daniel Curnock > Rhonda Holdsworth > Jon Holdsworth > Roy Tabb > John Oakes > 30 > Steve Saunders & Liz Bollons > Keith & Linda Morgan > Richard Armstrong > Rhys > Jim West > Christofis > Stewart & Sue Wren > George Weitz (No 928) > Scott Walker (No 928) > 37 > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From marton at befree.ch Wed Dec 1 22:44:47 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:44:47 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller References: Message-ID: <012001c4d7f7$5c8c2980$0500000a@simone> after my recent visit to the Ring, I came to the conclusion that the only BMWs going around belonged to poor unsuspecting rental companies. A suggestion, take the battery out of the M3 and put it in the hatchback with some heavy duty jump leads. If your 928 battery does let you down, just connect the M3 one in with the jump leads. Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dawe" To: "Andrew Brierley" ; "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Merry Miller > I hope to make it too.....928 does not seem to be charging very well and > suspect alternator is on way out and cannot risk a stranded 928 with a flat > battery on a 400 mile round trip.....however may I come in the M3csl?.....I > promise to put it round the back,outasight. But ask me about its' visit to > the Nurburgring? Mike (T reg) > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Andrew Brierley > Sent: 30 November 2004 11:03 > To: 928UK > Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller > > > Just a reminder about Saturday's meeting. > Start from around 11.00a.m. onwards, finish mid to late afternoon depending > upon weather! > > Northern convoy timetable:- > 1. M6 Knutsford services at 8.30a.m. > 2. M6 Toll services at 9.15a.m. > 3. M40 Warwick services 10.30a.m. > > List of people attending below plus a few possible not on the list. Anyone > else want to come along? > > Andrew > > > > Angus Fox > Andrew Brierley > Clyde Lennon > Rob Burrell and Katherine > David Hemmings > Adrian Clark > Simon Watson > John Speake > Nick Carrington > Chris Kenward and Cindy > 10 > Joe Farman > Graham Orr > Donald Peach > Steve & Mandy Dougan > John Chippendale > Alan Vanemden > Richard Pearce > Jonathan Rackowe > Paul Thorn > Colin Seaney > 20 > Ron Smith > Paul Lacey > Chris Clark > Rod Lonsdale and guest > Alan Baldwin > Daniel Curnock > Rhonda Holdsworth > Jon Holdsworth > Roy Tabb > John Oakes > 30 > Steve Saunders & Liz Bollons > Keith & Linda Morgan > Richard Armstrong > Rhys > Jim West > Christofis > Stewart & Sue Wren > George Weitz (No 928) > Scott Walker (No 928) > 37 > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26.11.04 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From alanb at 928.org.uk Wed Dec 1 22:49:17 2004 From: alanb at 928.org.uk (Alan Baldwin) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:49:17 +0000 Subject: Fwd: [928uk] Original Wheels Message-ID: <3B044898-43EB-11D9-96D1-0030657EDC92@928.org.uk> My 89GT wheels are visibly the same as the CS wheels, but they have RDK sensors. Alan 89GT p.s. The 90GT wheels are normal alloy wheels, painted/or powdercoated and lacquered. The CS wheels have an anodised finish, and do not react well to "Wonder wheels" type wheel cleaner - the surface goes milky and dull. The anodised CS wheels are much more expensive to refurb than the design 90s on the 90GT On 1 Dec 2004, at 19:56, Jon Holdsworth wrote: CS and 89 GT are the same wheel. D90 are different ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 737 bytes Desc: not available URL: From marton at befree.ch Wed Dec 1 23:15:41 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:15:41 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels References: Message-ID: <023601c4d7fb$ad4415a0$0500000a@simone> I believe the forged ones are stronger? & less brittle than the cast ones... Consequently for a given strength, the forged ones are loghter with all the obvious benefits. BEFORE buying aftermarket wheels weigh your current wheeels, discard any offers of wheels which are heavier, If you want to read up on the topic then look at http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0205scc_wheelguide/ the casting versus forging discussion is about a mile down the page. Forging is essentially the process of working with cold metal, i.e. not hot enough to make it soft or plastic (plastic in the sense of easily deformable). This gives a very strong result. If you want to experiment with forging then try hitting a wall with your car and then see how hard it is to beat it back into shape. Marton what will Smiffy respond?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels Hi Guys Can anyone help me out here. I've just been looking at wheels pics on the 928 Information Pages "Wheels and Tyres" where it shows original wheels fitted to various models of the 928 :- 1) CS - Forged 8J & 9J 2) 89GT - Forged 8J & 9J 3) 90GT - Design 90 Cast 8J & 9J All 16" and all ET60 offsets front and rear They all look the same - how do you tell the difference ? Whats the visible difference between a forged wheel and a cast wheel and why did they produce both ? I've been looking at wheels recently (sad I know ) and the only difference thats visibly noticeable is that some have a more convex face - about 15mm proud of the rims and others have a lesser convex face - about level with the rim. Problem is when looking at them I don't know which is an original CS, or an original 89GT or a Design 90 GT. I'd just like to recognise which wheel belongs to which model. Thanks David ( 91 S4 ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From ukkid35 at breathe.com Wed Dec 1 23:54:19 2004 From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:54:19 +0000 Subject: [928uk] screeching brakes Message-ID: Hi Rich I've tried CopperEase with only partial success, and I'm too cheap to buy the dampers which seem to be available only from Porsche. I've just brought a can of "CRC Disc Brake Quiet" back from the States, this is some sort of contact adhesive that you spray on the back of the pads. I'll report back if it works once I've tried it. Paul 87 S4 Manual From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Wed Dec 1 23:57:11 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:57:11 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] 928GT Wanted Message-ID: <200412012357.iB1NvBsF012103@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Hi, I'm in the market for a 928GT. Must be *manufactured* prior to January 2005 (I'm going to export it to Australia, and the import laws require that the car be at least 15 years old at December 31). Please email me privately [mailto:citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au] Thanks, -- Phil Reality continues to ruin my life. -- Bill Watterson, "Calvin and Hobbes" comic strip From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Thu Dec 2 00:15:40 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:15:40 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] 928GT Wanted In-Reply-To: <200412012357.iB1NvBsF012103@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <200412020015.iB20Feto023340@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Phil Chadwick wrote: > > I'm in the market for a 928GT. > > Must be *manufactured* prior to January 2005 (I'm going to > export it to Australia, and the import laws require that > the car be at least 15 years old at December 31). Oops, 15 year error. Read: "Must be *manufactured* prior to January 1990". -- Phil I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it. -- Ashleigh Brilliant (1933--), U.S. writer From George.Layton at ukgateway.net Wed Dec 1 20:16:43 2004 From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:16:43 -0000 Subject: [928uk] pirelli p zeros References: <200411282227.iASMR5mf010276@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <000101c4d80d$5cf74560$02000003@oemcomputer> I've used Pirelli P Zero's on my GTS. They were the "original" P Zeros, before the Nero, Rosso etc were introduced. They were one of the 3 tyre types recommended by Porsche for the 928GTS at the time when I enquired (Oct 1999). The "P Zero System" specified different tyre combinations for different Porsche models. For the 911 model it was Assimetrical all-round. For the 928GTS it was Assimetrical on the rear and Directional on the front - which is what I used. I found the grip to be good. I currently run Bridgestone tyres (S02 N3's, as recommended by Porsche) and find the rears lose traction when pulling away on slippery surfaces more than the Pirelli's did. I got 23,500 miles out of the front pair of Directional P Zero's (N2's) before they reached the legal minimum. I had 2 pairs of Assimetrical P Zero's (N2's) on the rear. The first pair covered 11,750 miles before I got a puncture in one of them and replaced them both. They had 4mm tread left at this point. The second pair covered 11,370 miles before I got a puncture in one of them and replaced them both. They had 5mm tread left at this point. Yes, I hate punctures :^( they cost you a lot of ??? George. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Chadwick To: Angus Fox Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: 28 November 2004 22:27 Subject: Re: [928uk] pirelli p zeros Angus Fox wrote: > > Tell them not to use air tools. Seems a good price. > I had P Zeros on my RS2 for a while and they were good but didnt > last long (but then nothing does) They 'went off' after abot 5 > thousand miles. The term "PZero" is generic, and applies to a range of tyres, so we need to be specific: PZero Nero PZero Rosso Asimmetrico PZero Rosso Direzionale PZero System Asimmetrico PZero Nero M&S I'm not terribly well versed on all the Pirellis because they are almost impossible to buy in Australia in the sizes needed by 928s, but... The "PZero Neros" last reasonably well for a high performance tyre. Overall, I'd rate them comparable to Bridgestone S03 and probably better than Michellin Pilot Sport. i.e. good tyres! The "System Asymetricos" are supposed to be awesome in the dry, but suffer from poor wear (UTQG rating is 140). 5000 miles sounds like above average milage for them! The "PZero Rosso", both "Asimmetrico" and "Direzionale" both also have incredibly poor wear. The "Direzionale" is not likely to be available in sizes suitable for a 928. I would buy Neros. However, I would not buy them if they were more expensive than an S03. I would not buy "Asimmetrico" of any kind. Bridgestone S03 is much better, all round. -- Phil If everything is under control, you are going too slow. -- Mario Andretti _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- This outgoing e-mail from George is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 From George.Layton at ukgateway.net Wed Dec 1 19:56:12 2004 From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:56:12 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 questions - prospective purchase References: <20041129115201.NQFY27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.65]> Message-ID: <000001c4d80d$593c1220$02000003@oemcomputer> Nick. Re < the alternator doesn't kick in until 1500 revs or so> Are you sure this is right ?? If I drive my GTS Auto in heavy rush hour traffic the RPM's rarely go above 1500 - so I would soon have a flat battery - but this does not happen :^) George. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Carrington To: Mike Warriner ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: 29 November 2004 11:48 Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 questions - prospective purchase > 1) n/s window motor very slow - can these be rebuilt or is a new/2nd hand unit > required Could just need cleaning and lubrication - they do get slow. > 2) On test drive volt meter sometimes momentarily jumped below 12v then back to > 13.5- warning never illuminated. Could this juts be an earthing problem for the > voltmeter? If this was at idle, the alternator doesn't kick in until 1500 revs or so. If at higher engine speeds, sounds like either an earthing problem or the beginnings of a dying rectifier to me. The alternator is very temperature sensitive also, the voltage will drop right down after a spell in heavy traffic, then climb back up as cooling air reaches it. > 3) Rear spoiler, looks like when it was refitted after a respray 2 years ago the > paint shop sheered off one of the bolts and on the other side it is threatening > to do the same - is there a common fit for this? I'll leave that for someone with a later car to answer. > 4) slight rust bubbles on n/s rear arch and near petrol flap (just a question of > "they are all like that sir")? They're all like that, sir. The rear wheel arches have no liners, and particularly on the driver's side, the mud gets trapped in behind the fuel filler pipes and rusts through above the petrol cap. > > I have spoken to Strausse of Leeds who recently (last week) put a new clutch in > and have serviced the car twice. They say its a good un! > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike. Welcome to the list, Mike. Nick C. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- This outgoing e-mail from George is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 2 06:59:17 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:59:17 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels In-Reply-To: <3B044898-43EB-11D9-96D1-0030657EDC92@928.org.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Alan I forgot about the RDK sensors in the 89GT. My SE has RDK sensors in the CS wheels because it had a new set of wheels fitted in '89 when AFN Chiswick sold it. I believe it was their demonstrator or something like that. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Alan Baldwin Sent: 01 December 2004 22:49 To: 928 list Subject: Fwd: [928uk] Original Wheels My 89GT wheels are visibly the same as the CS wheels, but they have RDK sensors. Alan 89GT p.s. The 90GT wheels are normal alloy wheels, painted/or powdercoated and lacquered. The CS wheels have an anodised finish, and do not react well to "Wonder wheels" type wheel cleaner - the surface goes milky and dull. The anodised CS wheels are much more expensive to refurb than the design 90s on the 90GT On 1 Dec 2004, at 19:56, Jon Holdsworth wrote: CS and 89 GT are the same wheel. D90 are different -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 2 09:05:01 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:05:01 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Top Gear - Porsche segment References: <003801c4d6bc$c6ed1b40$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Message-ID: <00b701c4d84e$02ca0820$131c893e@CARLTONCOURT> Thanks to Jon Jeffreys connections and Simon Watson's generosity I was able to attend the Top Gear recording last night with the aforementioned two and several other well known 928 owners. The recording did cover the three Porsche story and I will not spoil your enjoyment of the programme by telling what happened. They did say it would be shown this Sunday. I was able to speak to Richard Hammond who is still happy with the 1979 year 928 he bought from me. James May said it was a good drive , having been given the car by Richard for a test drive and he fancied buying one himself, but said that the others would say he only got one because Richard had one!! I did tell him of the full range available and to check this site. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Brown To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: [928uk] Top Gear - Porsche segment Hello All, Was flicking forward the SKY channel guide +24Hrs last night untill I reached Sunday. According to the SKY guide (which is known to have been wrong before) this Sundays programme contains the section on buying a 'decent' Porsche for under ?1500. Only problem you'll have to wait until 1120pm as Mastermind is on at 8. Cheers, Andy 88 S4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From Dk928 at aol.com Thu Dec 2 10:34:16 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:34:16 EST Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Message-ID: <14.39cc0800.2ee049a8@aol.com> Hi Vince I'd be very suprised if anyone on the list thinks you're "daft". Asking is how we all find out things we've no experience of.....so ask the brotherhood all you like... I do and I know a lot more now than I did a month ago. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com Thu Dec 2 13:14:25 2004 From: Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com (Phil Shotton) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:14:25 +0000 Subject: [928uk] pirelli p zeros In-Reply-To: <000101c4d80d$5cf74560$02000003@oemcomputer> References: <200411282227.iASMR5mf010276@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> <000101c4d80d$5cf74560$02000003@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41AF1531.9050108@irisfinancial.com> George Your experiences with PZeros match mine, except that my first puncture was only a month after fitting so I got away with just one new tyre. When I got the second puncture I replaced both rears, but kept the unpunctured tyre - so when the next nail comes along I can put it back on :-) I'm definitely not going to get 23,500 out of the fronts. About 4-5mm left at 12000. Phil '93 GTS George Layton wrote: >I've used Pirelli P Zero's on my GTS. They were the "original" P Zeros, >before the Nero, Rosso etc were introduced. They were one of the 3 tyre >types recommended by Porsche for the 928GTS at the time when I enquired >(Oct 1999). > >The "P Zero System" specified different tyre combinations for different >Porsche models. For the 911 model it was Assimetrical all-round. For >the 928GTS it was Assimetrical on the rear and Directional on the >front - which is what I used. > >I found the grip to be good. I currently run Bridgestone tyres (S02 >N3's, as recommended by Porsche) and find the rears lose traction when >pulling away on slippery surfaces more than the Pirelli's did. > >I got 23,500 miles out of the front pair of Directional P Zero's (N2's) >before they reached the legal minimum. > >I had 2 pairs of Assimetrical P Zero's (N2's) on the rear. The first >pair covered 11,750 miles before I got a puncture in one of them and >replaced them both. They had 4mm tread left at this point. The second >pair covered 11,370 miles before I got a puncture in one of them and >replaced them both. They had 5mm tread left at this point. Yes, I hate >punctures :^( they cost you a lot of ??? > >George. > > > > From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Dec 2 12:57:33 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:57:33 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008A6@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Vince - being an Aussie there's no reason why you should know about SE's as they are a UK-only model (have you ever seen any personal-import ones in Oz?). They are related to the 'stripped out' CS (Club Sport - lightweight Euro [except UK] only model) model having all the same sport upgrades (engine, suspension etc.) but with most of the luxury items added back in (e.g. air con, elec windows) - hence Sport Equipment (SE) name. The SE concept was successful, and so it birthed the GT as a 'mainline' model (sport package + even more luxuries & gizmos, e.g. full leather seats, optional sunroof, more paint/colour options, electronic LSD [PSD] etc.). The English gents that originally forked out for 'sports' 928's in the UK didn't want to "rough it" when getting that more hard-edged sports performance! I'm glad as it means these cars are very usable/comfy everyday cars as well as having a sports car edge when pushed harder. I must confess that the "on-a-partial-diet" SE is actually slightly quicker than a "fully-loaded" GT in my experience - not that you'd notice in real world scenarios! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Vince [mailto:ferrari928 at dodo.com.au] Hi Jon, I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read e-mails from the group from time to time. I hope you don't think I'm stupid (or the English might say 'daft' :-) ) but I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. Second Edition perhaps?. The colour 'Black' for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a 'S4. Cheers, Vince ('80 928 Aus) From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Dec 2 11:46:11 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:46:11 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008A2@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Dave - Jon's explanation is right. You correctly described it yourself too! The Design90 is a convex shape for the wheel "centre" (the spoked bit), and joins to the wheel rim 'sharply' and inset from rim edge. In fact, the offsets are clearly visible between the front (8J) and rear (9J) due to their different widths - i.e. the spoked 'wheel centre' is even further inset into the wheel rim on the rears. The CS/early GT wheels don't exhibit this, and look more concave on the faces of the wheel as a result. In fact you can get a 'stick-on kit' to convert S4 slot-style alloys to the CS/early GT 'spoked' alloy (with black stickers which imitate the semi-circle cut-outs that Jon described)... sounds a bit tacky, but then I've never actually seen it in the flesh - it'd certainly save a lot of money compared to a wheel swap!! Scott '91 GT (Design 90's) -----Original Message----- From: Jon Holdsworth [mailto:jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net] Dave CS and 89 GT are the same wheel. D90 are different The simple way to tell the difference between the two CS and D90 is to follow the "spoke" out to the rim of the wheel. The spoke of the CS rim blends smoothly into the outside edge of the rim. The D90 spoke stops about 10mm short of the outside edge of the rim leaving a little "ledge". You presumably have normal S4 wheels on your S4. The CS wheel appears exactly as the S4 wheel but with semi circles cut out instead of slots. If you look at the rear of an S4 wheel you can see where these semicircles would be cut out. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com Hi Guys Can anyone help me out here. I've just been looking at wheels pics on the 928 Information Pages "Wheels and Tyres" where it shows original wheels fitted to various models of the 928 :- 1) CS - Forged 8J & 9J 2) 89GT - Forged 8J & 9J 3) 90GT - Design 90 Cast 8J & 9J All 16" and all ET60 offsets front and rear They all look the same - how do you tell the difference ? Whats the visible difference between a forged wheel and a cast wheel and why did they produce both ? I've been looking at wheels recently (sad I know ) and the only difference thats visibly noticeable is that some have a more convex face - about 15mm proud of the rims and others have a lesser convex face - about level with the rim. Problem is when looking at them I don't know which is an original CS, or an original 89GT or a Design 90 GT. I'd just like to recognise which wheel belongs to which model. Thanks David ( 91 S4 ) From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Dec 2 12:05:08 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:05:08 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Original Wheels Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008A5@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Yes - you're right Alan: I meant to add this as I think its one of the most obvious visual differences between the early & late GT wheels. The late (Design90) wheel simply has a silver paint finish, whereas the early wheel has a polished metal appearance. Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Alan Baldwin [mailto:alanb at 928.org.uk] >> Alan 89GT p.s. The 90GT wheels are normal alloy wheels, painted/or powdercoated and lacquered. The CS wheels have an anodised finish, and do not react well to "Wonder wheels" type wheel cleaner - the surface goes milky and dull. The anodised CS wheels are much more expensive to refurb than the design 90s on the 90GT On 1 Dec 2004, at 19:56, Jon Holdsworth wrote: CS and 89 GT are the same wheel. D90 are different From angusf at mac.com Thu Dec 2 14:00:25 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:00:25 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Brief service outage fixed. Message-ID: <4501292.1101996025636.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> The server was off line (although still running on Red Hat linux) briefly today due to a router failure. The Router has been rebooted and all is well. Angus From angusf at mac.com Thu Dec 2 14:07:21 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:07:21 +0000 Subject: [928uk] AOL users (others can ignore) Message-ID: <4596197.1101996441331.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> AOL have notificed me that someone today sent a notification that a 928 list mail was a SPAM (unsolicited email) message. Please dont do this - AOL will block the mail list from all their subscribers if this happens. If you're on AOL and want to unsubscribe you can follow the instructions in the link at the bottom of every email or you can email me directly and I will take care of it thanks Angus From chris at porsche-1.net Thu Dec 2 13:21:58 2004 From: chris at porsche-1.net (Chris Kenward) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:21:58 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Top Gear - Porsche segment In-Reply-To: <00b701c4d84e$02ca0820$131c893e@CARLTONCOURT> References: <003801c4d6bc$c6ed1b40$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> <00b701c4d84e$02ca0820$131c893e@CARLTONCOURT> Message-ID: <20041202132158.E837427ED89@mail.porsche-1.net> Hi All Just had a look at the schedule on the BBC 2 website. Here it is for Sunday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings/index.shtml?service_id=4224&day=sunday I'll be watching!! ;) Regards Chris '92 GTS Manual From richard at ritech-systems.com Thu Dec 2 13:58:58 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:58:58 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Rolling Road Message-ID: Last year sometime, a load of cars were put on a rolling road somewhere. Does anybody have the results from that day? I have just done mine as a 'before' graph so I can see exactly what difference the 'X' pipes make when they are made and fitted in the next couple of weeks. Auto gearboxes certainly sap power. Richard A '91 S4 From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Dec 2 14:37:02 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:37:02 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Rolling Road Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008A9@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Hi Richard, Yes it was in Feb of this year. I organised it. The results are still on the 928uk website - look under "Community"->"Events"->"2004" (in Angus' whizzy new menu at top of homepage) and go almost to the bottom of the 2004 page (it's a big page & loads of photos!!). Contact me offlist if you need more info (dyno info, power curve print outs etc.) Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Richard Armstrong [mailto:richard at ritech-systems.com] Last year sometime, a load of cars were put on a rolling road somewhere. Does anybody have the results from that day? I have just done mine as a 'before' graph so I can see exactly what difference the 'X' pipes make when they are made and fitted in the next couple of weeks. Auto gearboxes certainly sap power. Richard A '91 S4 ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Dec 2 14:45:46 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:45:46 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Top Gear - Porsche segment Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008AA@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Yes - looks like its on Sun (8pm BBC2) + repeat on Mon (11.20pm BBC2). But Bill - I'm surprised JC didn't opt for the 928... Richard Hammond (shorty) should have gone for a little 924 surely??!! Oh well - I'll hold comment until I've seen the programme :-) Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON [mailto:mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk] Thanks to Jon Jeffreys connections and Simon Watson's generosity I was able to attend the Top Gear recording last night with the aforementioned two and several other well known 928 owners. The recording did cover the three Porsche story and I will not spoil your enjoyment of the programme by telling what happened. They did say it would be shown this Sunday. I was able to speak to Richard Hammond who is still happy with the 1979 year 928 he bought from me. James May said it was a good drive , having been given the car by Richard for a test drive and he fancied buying one himself, but said that the others would say he only got one because Richard had one!! I did tell him of the full range available and to check this site. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Brown Hello All, Was flicking forward the SKY channel guide +24Hrs last night untill I reached Sunday. According to the SKY guide (which is known to have been wrong before) this Sundays programme contains the section on buying a 'decent' Porsche for under ?1500. Cheers, Andy 88 S4 ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. From angusf at mac.com Thu Dec 2 14:46:00 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:46:00 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Rolling Road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5942967.1101998760563.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> http://www.928.org.uk/meet2004.html About halfway down.... Angus --- On Thursday, December 02, 2004, at 02:29PM, Richard Armstrong wrote: >Last year sometime, a load of cars were put on a rolling road somewhere. >Does anybody have the results from that day? >I have just done mine as a 'before' graph so I can see exactly what >difference the 'X' pipes make when they are made and fitted in the next >couple of weeks. >Auto gearboxes certainly sap power. > >Richard A >'91 S4 > >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk > > From amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 2 15:20:26 2004 From: amarks at shirleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Marks) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:20:26 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928UK 6th Anniversary Meet - REMINDER References: <00be01c4d2ed$1c918f00$339587d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <001c01c4d883$8d107d40$55e7193e@dan> Dear Andrew, many thanks for your information. Although I had very much looked forward to attending and having the opportunity to meet other enthusiasts and to compare and study their "beasts" with mine, I now find that we have friends coming in from abroad to stay with us on Saturday so I am completely torpedoed. I will have to look forward to the next meeting in 2005. Meantime, some of you may remember my posts on the PA1000 problems and how I asked Porsche themselves to reimburse me the two hundred odd smackers I spent with Hamilton & Palmer (who I think are great) putting the system right. Based on H&P stating that the system had been totally inadequately installed by an OPC originally, I have eventually been able to get Porsche to cough up the whole lot. It is clearly worth persevering but you have to be pedantic with the paperwork in order to "break through) - lessons are available !!! Compliments of the season to everybody - Alan - 1990 S4 Auto - metallic marine blue - 28K miles ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928UK Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: [928uk] 928UK 6th Anniversary Meet - REMINDER December 4th - 928UK 6th Anniversary Meet at the Merry Miller, Cothill near Oxford. During the last several years the 928UK Anniversary Meet has been an extremely successful informal occasion with around 60 928s in attendance. For the past two years we have held it at the Merry Miller with attendees travelling from all over the country. Anyone with a 928 is welcome to come along. The meeting will commence from around 11.00a.m.onwards and for those wanting lunch, the Merry Miller has a full range of meals and refreshments. There is no charge for the meet. Note there is a strict 30mph limit through the village. Please remember this is an informal meeting with no organised format. Despite having explained this before previous Merry Miller meetings criticism for lack of format was expressed following the meet. If anyone wishes to arrange a format please feel free.................. Let me know if you are attending, as we do need to know numbers in advance. Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart928gt at hotmail.com Thu Dec 2 16:29:01 2004 From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:29:01 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Missing Badge Message-ID: My nose cone badge has gone missing again am thinking of fitting the RS GT3 stick on one to stop it walking off in the night again and i'm sure the extra gram removed from the car will make it faster (not). Or maybe fit a metal one yet again but wired to a stun gun. Stuart From info at jdsporsche.com Thu Dec 2 17:02:19 2004 From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:02:19 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, Message-ID: <00ae01c4d890$fcd4a0e0$c459beac@aoldsl.net> Hi All, I've been ill so I won't be able to make the Oxford meeting :-( I hope you all have a very enjoyable day - see you next year ! Regards John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at dawe.com Thu Dec 2 17:50:23 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:50:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] AOL users (others can ignore) In-Reply-To: <4596197.1101996441331.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> Message-ID: on procedural matters 'ware attachment with statement that item is 'virus free'...It aint! Virus identified as W32/Sober-1,so take care,as ever, when opening an unknown attachment. See some of you Saturday. Cheers Mike ( T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Angus Fox Sent: 02 December 2004 14:07 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] AOL users (others can ignore) AOL have notificed me that someone today sent a notification that a 928 list mail was a SPAM (unsolicited email) message. Please dont do this - AOL will block the mail list from all their subscribers if this happens. If you're on AOL and want to unsubscribe you can follow the instructions in the link at the bottom of every email or you can email me directly and I will take care of it thanks Angus _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 2 19:08:34 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:08:34 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Top Gear - Porsche segment References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008AA@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Message-ID: <00b301c4d8a2$536424b0$4c27893e@CARLTONCOURT> Sorry I may have confused you... the 928 Richard bought for me is not the one featured in the show...that one was sourced I believe by Angus ?? In fact the other 79 year car I sold is now back on e-bay...may wait to see if I can buy it back cheaper than it sold...he says hoping the seller doesn't read this !!! Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walker, Scott" To: "WILLIAM ROBERTSON" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Top Gear - Porsche segment Yes - looks like its on Sun (8pm BBC2) + repeat on Mon (11.20pm BBC2). But Bill - I'm surprised JC didn't opt for the 928... Richard Hammond (shorty) should have gone for a little 924 surely??!! Oh well - I'll hold comment until I've seen the programme :-) Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM ROBERTSON [mailto:mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk] Thanks to Jon Jeffreys connections and Simon Watson's generosity I was able to attend the Top Gear recording last night with the aforementioned two and several other well known 928 owners. The recording did cover the three Porsche story and I will not spoil your enjoyment of the programme by telling what happened. They did say it would be shown this Sunday. I was able to speak to Richard Hammond who is still happy with the 1979 year 928 he bought from me. James May said it was a good drive , having been given the car by Richard for a test drive and he fancied buying one himself, but said that the others would say he only got one because Richard had one!! I did tell him of the full range available and to check this site. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Brown Hello All, Was flicking forward the SKY channel guide +24Hrs last night untill I reached Sunday. According to the SKY guide (which is known to have been wrong before) this Sundays programme contains the section on buying a 'decent' Porsche for under ?1500. Cheers, Andy 88 S4 ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 2 19:57:35 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:57:35 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE - heading down under In-Reply-To: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008A6@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Message-ID: Good to know I'm famous LOL! Perhaps I should "anounce that my Black SE will be the third that I am aware of that is going to emigrate to the Antipodes. Sometime in Feb the SE and Rhondas GT will be New Zealand bound, to join Andy McIntyres Black SE also in NZ (formerly owned by Phil Adamson and featured on Phil Tong's 928S4VR website)and Nick McKennas Black SE in Melbourne. Should help keep the values up over here. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Walker, Scott Sent: 02 December 2004 12:58 To: Vince; 928uk Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Vince - being an Aussie there's no reason why you should know about SE's as they are a UK-only model (have you ever seen any personal-import ones in Oz?). They are related to the 'stripped out' CS (Club Sport - lightweight Euro [except UK] only model) model having all the same sport upgrades (engine, suspension etc.) but with most of the luxury items added back in (e.g. air con, elec windows) - hence Sport Equipment (SE) name. The SE concept was successful, and so it birthed the GT as a 'mainline' model (sport package + even more luxuries & gizmos, e.g. full leather seats, optional sunroof, more paint/colour options, electronic LSD [PSD] etc.). The English gents that originally forked out for 'sports' 928's in the UK didn't want to "rough it" when getting that more hard-edged sports performance! I'm glad as it means these cars are very usable/comfy everyday cars as well as having a sports car edge when pushed harder. I must confess that the "on-a-partial-diet" SE is actually slightly quicker than a "fully-loaded" GT in my experience - not that you'd notice in real world scenarios! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Vince [mailto:ferrari928 at dodo.com.au] Hi Jon, I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read e-mails from the group from time to time. I hope you don't think I'm stupid (or the English might say 'daft' :-) ) but I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. Second Edition perhaps?. The colour 'Black' for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a 'S4. Cheers, Vince ('80 928 Aus) _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 2 19:57:32 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:57:32 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE In-Reply-To: <41AEC2AA00009A15@n024.sc1.cp.net> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: Hi Vince Sport Equipment I believe. Where in oz are you - There is a Black SE in Melbourne (or will be soon) in the hands of Nick McKenna (Spannah) on the Landsharkoz list. Black is great when it is clean but it never stays that way long. Regards Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: Vince [mailto:ferrari928 at dodo.com.au] Sent: 02 December 2004 09:16 To: 'Jon Holdsworth'; 'Andy Brown'; 'rich martin'; '928uk' Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Hi Jon, I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read e-mails from the group from time to time. I hope you don't think I'm stupid (or the English might say 'daft' J ) but I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. Second Edition perhaps?. The colour 'Black' for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a 'S4. Cheers, Vince ('80 928 Aus) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marton at befree.ch Thu Dec 2 20:12:41 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:12:41 +0100 Subject: [928uk] pirelli p zeros References: <200411282227.iASMR5mf010276@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> <000101c4d80d$5cf74560$02000003@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002e01c4d8ab$49316e40$0500000a@simone> >Yes, I hate > punctures :^( they cost you a lot of ??? More often, I change my tires because of aggravated kerb hitting - probably 50% of my tires are changed due to this single cause... This year, I think the single weekend at the Nurburgring tore half the depth off my rear tires (Michelin Pilot sport Mxxx) Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Layton" To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] pirelli p zeros > I've used Pirelli P Zero's on my GTS. They were the "original" P Zeros, > before the Nero, Rosso etc were introduced. They were one of the 3 tyre > types recommended by Porsche for the 928GTS at the time when I enquired > (Oct 1999). > > The "P Zero System" specified different tyre combinations for different > Porsche models. For the 911 model it was -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From marton at befree.ch Thu Dec 2 20:14:57 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:14:57 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE References: <200412020916.iB29GQd14759@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: <007501c4d8ab$99a12aa0$0500000a@simone> SE = Stretched External, it is a 5 door (including the hatch as 1) Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince To: 'Jon Holdsworth' ; 'Andy Brown' ; 'rich martin' ; '928uk' Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Hi Jon, I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read e-mails from the group from time to time. I hope you don't think I'm stupid (or the English might say 'daft' J ) but I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. Second Edition perhaps?. The colour 'Black' for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a 'S4. 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Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 2 20:17:35 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:17:35 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, References: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411E2@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Message-ID: <002601c4d8ac$2aa2bfa0$ae76893e@BRIERLEY> Sorry you can't make it John. Hope you are well soon. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of John Speake > Sent: Thu 02/12/2004 17:02 > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Cc: > Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, > > > Hi All, > I've been ill so I won't be able to make the Oxford meeting :-( > > I hope you all have a very enjoyable day - see you next year ! > > Regards > > John From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 2 20:20:44 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:20:44 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE In-Reply-To: <007501c4d8ab$99a12aa0$0500000a@simone> Message-ID: Today it's a four 1/2 door the drivers door only works from the inside -----Original Message----- From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] Sent: 02 December 2004 20:15 To: Vince; 'Jon Holdsworth'; 'Andy Brown'; 'rich martin'; '928uk' Subject: Re: [928uk] Jon's Black SE SE = Stretched External, it is a 5 door (including the hatch as 1) Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince To: 'Jon Holdsworth' ; 'Andy Brown' ; 'rich martin' ; '928uk' Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Hi Jon, I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read e-mails from the group from time to time. I hope you don?t think I?m stupid (or the English might say ?daft? J ) but I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. Second Edition perhaps?. The colour ?Black? for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a ?S4. Cheers, Vince (?80 928 Aus) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marton at befree.ch Thu Dec 2 20:29:12 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:29:12 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE References: Message-ID: <014301c4d8ad$96936380$0500000a@simone> me too! I thought the handle had frozen at the Ring but it still does not work from the outside. I got about three quarters of the way through taking off the driver door panel last Saturday when it suddenly got dark. Probably related in some way to me not getting out of bed until after lunch. Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Holdsworth To: marton ; Vince ; '928uk' Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Today it's a four 1/2 door the drivers door only works from the inside -----Original Message----- From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] Sent: 02 December 2004 20:15 To: Vince; 'Jon Holdsworth'; 'Andy Brown'; 'rich martin'; '928uk' Subject: Re: [928uk] Jon's Black SE SE = Stretched External, it is a 5 door (including the hatch as 1) Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince To: 'Jon Holdsworth' ; 'Andy Brown' ; 'rich martin' ; '928uk' Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Hi Jon, I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read e-mails from the group from time to time. I hope you don't think I'm stupid (or the English might say 'daft' J ) but I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. Second Edition perhaps?. The colour 'Black' for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a 'S4. Cheers, Vince ('80 928 Aus) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From marton at befree.ch Thu Dec 2 20:33:41 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:33:41 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE - heading down under References: Message-ID: <017a01c4d8ae$36771720$0500000a@simone> Hi Jon, You too! I know you have been talking about it for a long time but I sort of thought you were talking your dreams not really planning it. I guess you can get both 928s in one container... Wish you and Rhonda well, success & happiness in your new home. Will you be anywhere near Smiffy? Marton Also to John S, get well soon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Holdsworth" To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE - heading down under > Good to know I'm famous LOL! > > Perhaps I should "anounce that my Black SE will be the third that I am aware > of that is going to emigrate to the Antipodes. Sometime in Feb the SE and > Rhondas GT will be New Zealand bound, to join Andy McIntyres Black SE also > in NZ (formerly owned by Phil Adamson and featured on Phil Tong's 928S4VR > website)and Nick McKennas Black SE in Melbourne. > > Should help keep the values up over here. > > Jon > Black SE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Walker, Scott > Sent: 02 December 2004 12:58 > To: Vince; 928uk > Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE > > > Vince - being an Aussie there's no reason why you should know about SE's as > they are a UK-only model (have you ever seen any personal-import ones in > Oz?). They are related to the 'stripped out' CS (Club Sport - lightweight > Euro [except UK] only model) model having all the same sport upgrades > (engine, suspension etc.) but with most of the luxury items added back in > (e.g. air con, elec windows) - hence Sport Equipment (SE) name. > > The SE concept was successful, and so it birthed the GT as a 'mainline' > model (sport package + even more luxuries & gizmos, e.g. full leather seats, > optional sunroof, more paint/colour options, electronic LSD [PSD] etc.). > > The English gents that originally forked out for 'sports' 928's in the UK > didn't want to "rough it" when getting that more hard-edged sports > performance! I'm glad as it means these cars are very usable/comfy everyday > cars as well as having a sports car edge when pushed harder. I must confess > that the "on-a-partial-diet" SE is actually slightly quicker than a > "fully-loaded" GT in my experience - not that you'd notice in real world > scenarios! > > Scott '91 GT > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince [mailto:ferrari928 at dodo.com.au] > > > > > > Hi Jon, > > > > I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read > e-mails from the group from time to time. > > I hope you don't think I'm stupid (or the English might say 'daft' :-) ) but > I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. > > Second Edition perhaps?. > > The colour 'Black' for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a 'S4. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince ('80 928 Aus) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From Dk928 at aol.com Thu Dec 2 20:42:38 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:42:38 EST Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Message-ID: Marton I presume the 5 door 928 (includind hatch ) is the Special Edition you're thinking of.... AKA the LE (Limited Edition ) David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Thu Dec 2 22:21:25 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:21:25 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200412022221.iB2MLP1q017779@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Jon Holdsworth wrote: > > Hi Vince > > Sport Equipment I believe. > > Where in oz are you - There is a Black SE in Melbourne (or will be soon) in > the hands of Nick McKenna (Spannah) on the Landsharkoz list. Hi Jon, I exchanged a couple of emails with Nick this week. He is settled in Melbourne, and the 928s grace his driveway. His first invitation on Landshark was to visit Kiwi, Doug Hillary, only 7000 km away at Arlie Beach in the beautiful Whitsundays (prettiest part of the Great Barrier Reef). Photos here: http://www.airliebeach.com/ I think the 7000km scared him. Just a short trip in Oz, really! Quite funny these circular migrations. We have several Kiwis living in Australia with 928s, in the landshark list! Where abouts in NZ are you going to? -- Phil They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist... -- General John Sedgwick (1813-1864), last words From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Thu Dec 2 22:24:41 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:24:41 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE In-Reply-To: <007501c4d8ab$99a12aa0$0500000a@simone> Message-ID: <200412022224.iB2MOgJW019481@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> marton wrote: > > SE = Stretched External, it is a 5 door (including the hatch as 1) Were the (hard to clean) black ones available with both hearse and limosine options? Or were they just "ranch wagons"? -- Phil Peace, n.: In international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From marton at befree.ch Thu Dec 2 22:25:49 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:25:49 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE References: <200412022224.iB2MOgJW019481@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <001701c4d8bd$e07689e0$0500000a@simone> The hearse options had the colour coded black wheels, Nick had a set, I think he brought them with him? Ask him for a foto. Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Chadwick" To: "marton" Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Jon's Black SE > marton wrote: > > > > SE = Stretched External, it is a 5 door (including the hatch as 1) > > Were the (hard to clean) black ones available with both hearse and > limosine options? Or were they just "ranch wagons"? > > -- > Phil > > Peace, n.: > In international affairs, a period of cheating between two > periods of fighting. > -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From marton at befree.ch Thu Dec 2 22:27:15 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:27:15 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE References: Message-ID: <002701c4d8be$13c3c740$0500000a@simone> No the LE was the lengthened edition, also came as a hearse as Phil mentioned. Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: marton at befree.ch ; ferrari928 at dodo.com.au ; jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net ; andy-brown at tritech.co.uk ; cammackmartin at hotmail.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Jon's Black SE Marton I presume the 5 door 928 (includind hatch ) is the Special Edition you're thinking of.... AKA the LE (Limited Edition ) David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From jj at folly.screaming.net Thu Dec 2 22:38:13 2004 From: jj at folly.screaming.net (JJ) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:38:13 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, In-Reply-To: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411E2@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Message-ID: <200412022237.iB2Mbud25138@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Get well soon John! For those lucky enough to be going - is anyone travelling via J22 M25? Be glad to join you. Best JJ ??? 1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of John Speake Sent: Thu 02/12/2004 17:02 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Cc: Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, Hi All, I've been ill so I won't be able to make the Oxford meeting :-( I hope you all have a very enjoyable day - see you next year ! Regards John From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 2 22:54:11 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:54:11 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE In-Reply-To: <200412022224.iB2MOgJW019481@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: Aah the flying hearse. I don't think the magistrates will buy that one if they decide to summons me before I leave. Jon -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Phil Chadwick Sent: 02 December 2004 22:25 To: marton Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Jon's Black SE marton wrote: > > SE = Stretched External, it is a 5 door (including the hatch as 1) Were the (hard to clean) black ones available with both hearse and limosine options? Or were they just "ranch wagons"? -- Phil Peace, n.: In international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 2 22:56:42 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:56:42 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, North London convoy In-Reply-To: <200412022237.iB2Mbud25138@raq01.multizone.co.uk> Message-ID: JJ All being well I'll be meeting Paul (UKKID) somewhere around Hangar Lane and heading out on the M40 not too far around from J22 - That any good - anyone else going that sort of route ? Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of JJ Sent: 02 December 2004 22:38 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: [928uk] Merry Miller, Get well soon John! For those lucky enough to be going - is anyone travelling via J22 M25? Be glad to join you. Best JJ ??? 1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk on behalf of John Speake Sent: Thu 02/12/2004 17:02 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Cc: Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, Hi All, I've been ill so I won't be able to make the Oxford meeting :-( I hope you all have a very enjoyable day - see you next year ! Regards John _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 2 23:18:32 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:18:32 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE - heading down under In-Reply-To: <017a01c4d8ae$36771720$0500000a@simone> Message-ID: Same Island as smifyy, but we'll be in Auckland or it's environs. Yes both 928s will fit in one container - saves about ?500. Thanks for the good wishes. Jon -----Original Message----- From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] Sent: 02 December 2004 20:34 To: Jon Holdsworth; 928uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Jon's Black SE - heading down under Hi Jon, You too! I know you have been talking about it for a long time but I sort of thought you were talking your dreams not really planning it. I guess you can get both 928s in one container... Wish you and Rhonda well, success & happiness in your new home. Will you be anywhere near Smiffy? Marton Also to John S, get well soon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Holdsworth" To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE - heading down under > Good to know I'm famous LOL! > > Perhaps I should "anounce that my Black SE will be the third that I am aware > of that is going to emigrate to the Antipodes. Sometime in Feb the SE and > Rhondas GT will be New Zealand bound, to join Andy McIntyres Black SE also > in NZ (formerly owned by Phil Adamson and featured on Phil Tong's 928S4VR > website)and Nick McKennas Black SE in Melbourne. > > Should help keep the values up over here. > > Jon > Black SE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Walker, Scott > Sent: 02 December 2004 12:58 > To: Vince; 928uk > Subject: RE: [928uk] Jon's Black SE > > > Vince - being an Aussie there's no reason why you should know about SE's as > they are a UK-only model (have you ever seen any personal-import ones in > Oz?). They are related to the 'stripped out' CS (Club Sport - lightweight > Euro [except UK] only model) model having all the same sport upgrades > (engine, suspension etc.) but with most of the luxury items added back in > (e.g. air con, elec windows) - hence Sport Equipment (SE) name. > > The SE concept was successful, and so it birthed the GT as a 'mainline' > model (sport package + even more luxuries & gizmos, e.g. full leather seats, > optional sunroof, more paint/colour options, electronic LSD [PSD] etc.). > > The English gents that originally forked out for 'sports' 928's in the UK > didn't want to "rough it" when getting that more hard-edged sports > performance! I'm glad as it means these cars are very usable/comfy everyday > cars as well as having a sports car edge when pushed harder. I must confess > that the "on-a-partial-diet" SE is actually slightly quicker than a > "fully-loaded" GT in my experience - not that you'd notice in real world > scenarios! > > Scott '91 GT > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince [mailto:ferrari928 at dodo.com.au] > > > > > > Hi Jon, > > > > I have been on the list for quite some time now but occasionally read > e-mails from the group from time to time. > > I hope you don't think I'm stupid (or the English might say 'daft' :-) ) but > I was just wondering what does SE stand for?. > > Second Edition perhaps?. > > The colour 'Black' for a 928 looks sensational! , especially on a 'S4. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince ('80 928 Aus) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From adrian928 at tesco.net Thu Dec 2 23:59:15 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:59:15 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller, Message-ID: <20041202235915.EPIR14005.dircache06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> What sort of time will you be leaving JJ? Regards Adrian > > From: "JJ" > Date: 2004/12/02 Thu PM 10:38:13 GMT > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: RE: [928uk] Merry Miller, > > Get well soon John! > > For those lucky enough to be going - is anyone travelling via J22 > M25? Be glad to join you. > > Best > > JJ ??? > 1995 Speed Yellow GTS auto > > From George.Layton at ukgateway.net Fri Dec 3 00:24:08 2004 From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:24:08 -0000 Subject: [928uk] BBC Top Gear this Sunday Message-ID: <003501c4d8cf$8d505ae0$02000003@oemcomputer> >From the BBC web site: Sunday 5th December, BBC2, 8pm to 9pm, Top Gear. "This week's show asks the question, can you buy a decent Porsche for under ?1500? Richard lifts the lid off the BMW 6 Series Cabriolet and Jeremy finds out if the spirit of the VW Golf GTi is back." I will be in the French Alps looking forward to hitting the slopes on Monday - but my video will be watching :^) George. --- This outgoing e-mail from George is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 27/11/2004 From nobu.asai at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 3 01:22:32 2004 From: nobu.asai at ntlworld.com (Nobu Asai) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:22:32 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Jon's Black SE - heading down under Message-ID: <20041203012237.YLUH2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@VAIOMain> Jon, Lon time no see, but trust all is well. I just read a thread about your move to NZ. I didn't know that you and Rhonda had 2 928s and you are taking both of them! I'm sure you'll enjoy them over there! as it was really great thing to have brought our S4 from Japan. My wife Marie and I had a great time with you guys at Euro 928 meeting few years back and we still talk about it. I wish Rhonda and you best of wishes for your new life over there! I hope to get to see you before your departure or when you are back here or perhaps in Japan. 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Top Gear Cheap Porsche Challenge 2004 (THIS SUNDAY, repeated Monday and on BBC World) Inside track, pictures and even grainy camera phone video... Porsche 928 S2 with only 7000 miles for auction 6th December at Olympia Worth a look if you want to be pristine! For Sale - home page advertised cars, Last chance stocking filler! 1989 Porsche 928 S4, Slate Grey 1982 Porsche 928 S2 Automatic, Slate Blue 1995 Porsche 928 GTS Automatic, Polar Silver 1995 Porsche 928 GTS Automatic, lhd 1989 Porsche 928 S4, Slate Grey Car adverts will be closing soon for a system upgrade Enjoy the site. Many thanks to our band of helpers who put voluntary time into content, menus, screen-savers, pictures, meeting reports, meeting planning. Its brilliant! Please click through to the advertising links if you can. See you all tomorrow... Angus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dick at euroseti.fsnet.co.uk Fri Dec 3 10:26:33 2004 From: dick at euroseti.fsnet.co.uk (Richard Fairbairn) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:26:33 -0000 Subject: [928uk] (no subject) Message-ID: <001901c4d922$92b11210$7d844c51@dickmobile> Hi all, The saga of my fuel sender continues... After getting it out from the tank and replacing the new one The dial now shows Full all the time. Is there a difference between then models I.e. 928, 928s and GT's any help welcome. regards dick 1983 928s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dk928 at aol.com Fri Dec 3 15:17:18 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:17:18 EST Subject: [928uk] Tyres Message-ID: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Fri Dec 3 15:54:29 2004 From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:54:29 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Tyres References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e101c4d950$5fac1260$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Hi David \ All, Try - http://www.mytyres.co.uk/ I have used them before and the service and delivery was excellent and very good prices indeed. Cheers, Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com Fri Dec 3 15:54:45 2004 From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:54:45 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Tyres References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <01ac01c4d950$6909fd90$025b48c3@XJDW> Hi Guys, I read about Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop etc... Has anyone tried GoodYear Eagle F1's? I've got them on my 1985 (255 rear 215 front) and they perform very well, especially in the wet (which could be important, doesn't it rain a lot in the UK? :-) ... ) Cheers, Jerry (Belgium, also a wet country) 1985S 1980 Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dk928 at aol.com Fri Dec 3 15:59:43 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:59:43 EST Subject: [928uk] Tyres Message-ID: <144.3a35e463.2ee1e76f@aol.com> Hi Andy Already checked them out... and Blackcircles.... Johnsons are cheaper. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart928gt at hotmail.com Fri Dec 3 16:38:38 2004 From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:38:38 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Tyres In-Reply-To: <00e101c4d950$5fac1260$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Message-ID: I have used mytyres alot very good service indeed. My good lady has those dunlops on her mazda very good amounts of grip and they work well with snow too. Stuart From ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com Fri Dec 3 16:43:48 2004 From: ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com (Ken Trueman) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:43:48 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Tyres In-Reply-To: <01ac01c4d950$6909fd90$025b48c3@XJDW> Message-ID: I have them on my GTS and I think they're a good all round tyre. They last well, without losing grip too early. They're pretty quiet too and don't seem to tramline. This morning in the cold, they were a bit slippery till they warmed up (very few frosts in Portishead). cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jerry De Weerdt Sent: 03 December 2004 15:55 To: Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres Importance: High Hi Guys, I read about Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop etc... Has anyone tried GoodYear Eagle F1's? I've got them on my 1985 (255 rear 215 front) and they perform very well, especially in the wet (which could be important, doesn't it rain a lot in the UK? :-) ... ) Cheers, Jerry (Belgium, also a wet country) 1985S 1980 Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham.manning at tso.co.uk Fri Dec 3 17:01:12 2004 From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:01:12 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Tyres Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411E7@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> I used SP9000s on my AMG E36 estate. Excellent tyres, loads of grip, very quiet. Fitment was 225/40ZR18 and cost me just over ?400 fitted from my local ATS about 2 years ago. I do know the manager and did get a good deal, but hopefully it gives some idea of prices? I think someone mentioned CostCo when talking about tyres once before - any idea if they do the SP9000s? - Graham -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of stuart hickmott Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:39 PM To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk; Dk928 at aol.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres I have used mytyres alot very good service indeed. My good lady has those dunlops on her mazda very good amounts of grip and they work well with snow too. Stuart _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ********************************************************************************** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. 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This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses, however we cannot guarantee that this message is free from such problems. ********************************************************************************** From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Fri Dec 3 19:10:44 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:10:44 -0000 Subject: [928uk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001901c4d922$92b11210$7d844c51@dickmobile> Message-ID: Dick I only have US wiring diagrams for the '83 but I can't see why there would be much difference to UK or RoW There should be three wires going to the sender Violet and Black should be connected to the terminal Marked G on the sender (This is the fuel gauge - ie variable resistance connectio) Yellow and Black Should be connected to the terminal marked W on the sender (This is the low fuel warning light - simple switch connection) Brown (Earth) whould be connected to terminal marked 31 on the sender I would guess you have G and W connected wrong. Does any of this ring true ? Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Richard Fairbairn Sent: 03 December 2004 10:27 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] (no subject) Hi all, The saga of my fuel sender continues... After getting it out from the tank and replacing the new one The dial now shows Full all the time. Is there a difference between then models I.e. 928, 928s and GT's any help welcome. regards dick 1983 928s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Fri Dec 3 19:10:46 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:10:46 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Tyres In-Reply-To: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411E7@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Message-ID: Costco sell exclusively Michelin - and they were cheap - 235/40/18 and 265/35/18 all four for under ?600 but ut was a special offer. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Manning, Graham Sent: 03 December 2004 17:01 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: [928uk] Tyres I used SP9000s on my AMG E36 estate. Excellent tyres, loads of grip, very quiet. Fitment was 225/40ZR18 and cost me just over ?400 fitted from my local ATS about 2 years ago. I do know the manager and did get a good deal, but hopefully it gives some idea of prices? I think someone mentioned CostCo when talking about tyres once before - any idea if they do the SP9000s? - Graham -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of stuart hickmott Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:39 PM To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk; Dk928 at aol.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres I have used mytyres alot very good service indeed. My good lady has those dunlops on her mazda very good amounts of grip and they work well with snow too. Stuart _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk **************************************************************************** ****** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses, however we cannot guarantee that this message is free from such problems. **************************************************************************** ****** _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From info at jdsporsche.com Fri Dec 3 21:37:40 2004 From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:37:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <006401c4d980$e9858720$1e8ebaac@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Holdsworth To: Richard Fairbairn ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] (no subject) Dick I only have US wiring diagrams for the '83 but I can't see why there would be much difference to UK or RoW >>>>>>>>>> Hi Dick/Jon, I've just checked with the UK model circuits for the '83 and the connections colours are the same as Jon states......... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There should be three wires going to the sender Violet and Black should be connected to the terminal Marked G on the sender (This is the fuel gauge - ie variable resistance connectio) Yellow and Black Should be connected to the terminal marked W on the sender (This is the low fuel warning light - simple switch connection) Brown (Earth) whould be connected to terminal marked 31 on the sender I would guess you have G and W connected wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>> This would seem the most likely problem. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at ritech-systems.com Sat Dec 4 00:47:24 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:47:24 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Message-ID: Can't make it tomorrow. Sorry It was always going to be a bit fleeting, but now the dog needs fixing. What's needed is an Anderson vetinerary practice! Any trackday cheques I was going to collect - please mail them. Hope you have a good day - I was going for 'dirtiest car of the day award' anyway. Richard A From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Sat Dec 4 03:56:37 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:56:37 +1300 Subject: [928uk] Fuel tank leak References: <31233428.1102118863467.JavaMail.www@wwinf0202> Message-ID: <01a901c4d9c2$8c604a20$f1667cca@computername> Are you sure you are looking at a hole in the tank, the tank is plastic, and is unlikely to dent. If the hole is in a metal piece, that is the cradle/cover. If the hole is in plastic, then that is the actual tank. The part numbers for tanks are the same up to 1982, then the part number changes. That doesn't mean that a later tank would not fit, but there might be slight differences. Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "fluckiger GABRIELLA" To: Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Fuel tank leak hi Smiffy I checked the fuel tank and the whole is at the bottom of the tank. there is a dent in the middle and in the dent a hole. I think that a stone must have hit it creating the hole. Can this be repaired or do I have to get it changed. Are all the fuel tanks on all the models the same? thanks for your advice Gabriella the Aussie in France > Message du 01/12/04 02:10 > De : smiffypr at snap.net.nz > A : fluckiger.gabriella at wanadoo.fr, 928uk at 928.org.uk > Copie ? : > Objet : Re: [928uk] Fuel tank leak > The small hole you are looking at is probably the drain hole in the metal > cover. The leak is probably in one of the pipes on the fuel filter or > pump, and is just visible at that hole. > > You need to get the fuel pump cover removed (two 10mm nuts half way up the > back of the tank) then run the engine and see where the fuel is leaking > from. > > Smiffy > > > Hi > > I've just noticed that petrol is leaking out of the fuel tank. There > seems to be a very > small hole at the bottom of the tank. Can this be repaired or do I have > to get it > changed? any suggestion would help > > Gabriella > > 1979 porsche > > > > From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Sat Dec 4 15:27:30 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:27:30 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1102174050.17057.210068208@webmail.messagingengine.com> Sorry Richad you wouldn't have won the dirtiest car award i would have got it hands down had i made it. Apologies to all for not turning up, felt a bag of crap at 7am this morning so stayed in bed till 9am and went to set off at 10 just cleaning the windows and lights and the local bobby pulls up, one of my other 928's sat on the road had been reported as not taxed or insured again so spent 1/2 hour digging out the insurance docs, mot cert etc, then gave up on coming down to the meet, apparently my black 928 is on a local watch list because i got pulled the other night with a dirty number plate and tail light out and fog lights on,(fog lights on because i knew the tail light was out). So hope you all had a good time, wish i could have made it but trying to sort the short that keeps blowing the tail light fuse. Joe On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:47:24 +0000, "Richard Armstrong" said: > Can't make it tomorrow. Sorry > It was always going to be a bit fleeting, but now the dog needs fixing. > What's needed is an Anderson vetinerary practice! > Any trackday cheques I was going to collect - please mail them. > Hope you have a good day - I was going for 'dirtiest car of the day > award' anyway. > > Richard A > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From marton at befree.ch Sat Dec 4 17:27:35 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:27:35 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller References: <1102174050.17057.210068208@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <001001c4da26$8b7f3a80$0500000a@simone> Isn't there a law about wasting police time, and so shouldn't they have a word with the people who keep falsely reporting you? Funny business, usually they don't have time to visit people who have been burgled never mind chasing up parked cars. Marton are there any senior coppers living near you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Farman" To: "Richard Armstrong" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Merry Miller > Sorry Richad you wouldn't have won the dirtiest car award i would have > got it hands down had i made it. > > Apologies to all for not turning up, felt a bag of crap at 7am this > morning so stayed in bed till 9am and went to set off at 10 just > cleaning the windows and lights and the local bobby pulls up, one of my > other 928's sat on the road had been reported as -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30.11.04 From ronald.smith at onetel.net Sat Dec 4 17:57:44 2004 From: ronald.smith at onetel.net (Ron Smith) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:57:44 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet Message-ID: <000001c4da2a$c2def610$19854ed5@RonsPC> Hi Andrew A big thank you for organizing the meeting today. Uncannily, you managed to match the weather with that of last year! But that didn't matter as we had a good run there and back and I'm now being able to put names to faces; it was good to see so many people there. The lunch was good too! Regards Ron Smith of Ashtead 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Sat Dec 4 18:42:54 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:42:54 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet References: <000001c4da2a$c2def610$19854ed5@RonsPC> Message-ID: <003001c4da31$1226c580$4578893e@BRIERLEY> Thanks Ron it was a good day. Thanks also to Clyde for liasing with the Merry Miller and commandeering the car park for our use. We have always been lucky with the weather at these meetings. I think the final tally was just over 40 928s. I had a good journey home, 175 miles in 2hrs 20 mins at 21 mpg. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Smith" To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet > Hi Andrew > A big thank you for organizing the meeting today. Uncannily, you > managed to match the weather with that of last year! But that didn't > matter as we had a good run there and back and I'm now being able to put > names to faces; it was good to see so many people there. The lunch was > good too! > Regards > > Ron Smith of Ashtead > 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Sat Dec 4 18:49:40 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:49:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller References: <1102174050.17057.210068208@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <005401c4da32$036d2100$95c22f50@ThinkPad> Me too. Not feeling good, I rang Andrew Brierley on his way down. Sorry, it'ds the 1st I've missed since becoming a shark owner. Hope you all had a good time. All the best Joe as well. Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Farman" To: "Richard Armstrong" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Merry Miller > Sorry Richad you wouldn't have won the dirtiest car award i would have > got it hands down had i made it. > > Apologies to all for not turning up, felt a bag of crap at 7am this > morning so stayed in bed till 9am and went to set off at 10 just > cleaning the windows and lights and the local bobby pulls up, one of my > other 928's sat on the road had been reported as not taxed or insured > again so spent 1/2 hour digging out the insurance docs, mot cert etc, > then gave up on coming down to the meet, apparently my black 928 is on a > local watch list because i got pulled the other night with a dirty > number plate and tail light out and fog lights on,(fog lights on because > i knew the tail light was out). > > So hope you all had a good time, wish i could have made it but trying to > sort the short that keeps blowing the tail light fuse. > > Joe > > > On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:47:24 +0000, "Richard Armstrong" > said: >> Can't make it tomorrow. Sorry >> It was always going to be a bit fleeting, but now the dog needs fixing. >> What's needed is an Anderson vetinerary practice! >> Any trackday cheques I was going to collect - please mail them. >> Hope you have a good day - I was going for 'dirtiest car of the day >> award' anyway. >> >> Richard A >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 928uk mailing list >> 928uk at 928.org.uk >> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >> 928.org.uk > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Sat Dec 4 21:04:13 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:04:13 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet In-Reply-To: <003001c4da31$1226c580$4578893e@BRIERLEY> Message-ID: Thanks for organising Andrew It was good to meet old faces and new. and get lost on the way there as usual. This was my 6th 928 gathering this year, Beaulieu, OCIC Wichita, Barbeque at Northampton, Euro 928, Frenzy 8 , and Merry Miller. It never ceases to amaze me how much enthusiasm there is for these wonderful cars, and how like minded their owners are. Having been fortunate to have attended gatherings all over the western world, if you ignore the accent and the language spoken you would not know wether you were in Reims, DC, Kansas or Oxfordshire. Maybe the wether might give it away. We will have to get organising when we get to NZ. Thanks again Andrew and to all who attended. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 04 December 2004 18:43 To: 928 list Subject: Re: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet Thanks Ron it was a good day. Thanks also to Clyde for liasing with the Merry Miller and commandeering the car park for our use. We have always been lucky with the weather at these meetings. I think the final tally was just over 40 928s. I had a good journey home, 175 miles in 2hrs 20 mins at 21 mpg. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Smith" To: "928 list" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet > Hi Andrew > A big thank you for organizing the meeting today. Uncannily, you > managed to match the weather with that of last year! But that didn't > matter as we had a good run there and back and I'm now being able to put > names to faces; it was good to see so many people there. The lunch was > good too! > Regards > > Ron Smith of Ashtead > 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Sat Dec 4 23:22:23 2004 From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:22:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c4da58$1dabc4b0$6500a8c0@T9100> Good to see old faces and new - Jon and Rhonda, all the best in NZ if I don't see you again. Twas quiet without CB ;-) Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth Sent: 04 December 2004 21:04 To: Andrew Brierley; 928 list Subject: RE: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet Thanks for organising Andrew It was good to meet old faces and new. and get lost on the way there as usual. This was my 6th 928 gathering this year, Beaulieu, OCIC Wichita, Barbeque at Northampton, Euro 928, Frenzy 8 , and Merry Miller. It never ceases to amaze me how much enthusiasm there is for these wonderful cars, and how like minded their owners are. Having been fortunate to have attended gatherings all over the western world, if you ignore the accent and the language spoken you would not know wether you were in Reims, DC, Kansas or Oxfordshire. Maybe the wether might give it away. We will have to get organising when we get to NZ. Thanks again Andrew and to all who attended. Jon Black SE --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 From tim at deredvers.com Sun Dec 5 04:44:46 2004 From: tim at deredvers.com (tim at deredvers.com) Date: 5 Dec 2004 04:44:46 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 GTS spare parts - less available (and therefore, more expensive) than S4 Message-ID: <20041205044446.11649.qmail@ns66.webmasters.com> Just sent this letter to Angus, but just realised there is a mailing list for these sorts of questions . (sorry Angus!). Any thoughts on this to a "newbie"? Rgds, Tim ***************************************** Hope you don't mind me asking, but have been looking round the web and have not yet found an answer to a question I had, so thought I'd drop you a line .I am thinking about getting a Porsche 928 GTS ('94 model), but a friend has told me that it is far more difficult (and therefore expensive) to get spare parts for a GTS than an S4, due to its rarity. I know there were some modifications to the engine (obviously), brakes and body, but I thought that most other parts would be interchangeable between the two models. Any thoughts? Kind Regards, Tim Collins ***************************************** From cammackmartin at hotmail.com Sun Dec 5 09:03:48 2004 From: cammackmartin at hotmail.com (rich martin) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:03:48 -0000 Subject: [928uk] headlights Message-ID: Any suggestions welcomed. I understand this isn't an uncommon problem. The headlights on the 928 come up when you throw the switch but don't come on sometimes. I understand there's a contact strip somewhere in the mechanism that may be responsible but not sure how to go about sorting this problem. I don't have a maintenance manual either. Which one should I be looking to buy? Hope everyone had a great time at the Merry Miller. Will be at the next meet. Cheers, Rich Manual S4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusf at mac.com Sun Dec 5 09:24:07 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 09:24:07 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 GTS spare parts - less available (and therefore, more expensive) than S4 In-Reply-To: <20041205044446.11649.qmail@ns66.webmasters.com> References: <20041205044446.11649.qmail@ns66.webmasters.com> Message-ID: <9305091.1102238647221.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> >>I am thinking about getting a Porsche 928 GTS ('94 model), but a friend has told me that it is far more difficult (and therefore expensive) to get spare parts for a GTS Good choice! (Im looking for a good GTS too). I dont think theres any particular issue with GTS parts. New engines and bodyshells would be impossible to find but all parts are available and everything is available second hand or from specialists. Porsche has an exccelent record of making spares available although sometimes stupidly expensive. The funny thing to me is that the things I think will be expensive are cheap and the things I just think will be cheap are expensive Angus From angusf at mac.com Sun Dec 5 09:27:32 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 09:27:32 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet In-Reply-To: <003001c4da31$1226c580$4578893e@BRIERLEY> References: <000001c4da2a$c2def610$19854ed5@RonsPC> <003001c4da31$1226c580$4578893e@BRIERLEY> Message-ID: <6625562.1102238852275.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> It was good to see everybody again even though I came along in an M5 not a 928... At least my former GT was there (and cleaner than when I was its keeper) We were again lucky with the weather - and it was warmr than last year. I went home with a Porshce Technic Sports exhaust (thanks Adrian). So at least I own part of a 928 Angus From chris at porsche-1.net Sun Dec 5 10:19:26 2004 From: chris at porsche-1.net (Chris Kenward) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:19:26 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Merry Miller Meet Message-ID: <20041205101926.E0E9227ED89@mail.porsche-1.net> Hi Folks Our very first 928-only meet in AVB 928 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Our thanks to Andrew and to whoever else was out there organising things, for a great day out. Regards Chris '92 GTS Manual From adrian928 at tesco.net Sun Dec 5 10:26:19 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:26:19 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 GTS spare parts - less available (and therefore, more expensive) than S4 Message-ID: <20041205102619.XHMC24737.dircache03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> Tim, I wouldn't totally agree because as the GTS was the last model made, Porsche still have parts in stock, where as on the earlier cars they no longer have any stock left. Also there are a lot of parts interchangeable between S4 & GTS. If you take for example the rear PU (panel) only the GTS version is available and S4 owners have to fit the GTS version if their's is damaged. However if you are referring to second hand parts, then it is harder to find cheap GTS parts. Regards Adrian > > From: tim at deredvers.com > Date: 2004/12/05 Sun AM 04:44:46 GMT > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] 928 GTS spare parts - less available (and therefore, > more expensive) than S4 > > Just sent this letter to Angus, but just realised there is a mailing list for these sorts of questions . (sorry Angus!). Any thoughts on this to a "newbie"? > > Rgds, > > Tim > > ***************************************** > Hope you don't mind me asking, but have been looking round the web and have not yet found an answer to a question I had, so thought I'd drop you a line .I am thinking about getting a Porsche 928 GTS ('94 model), but a friend has told me that it is far more difficult (and therefore expensive) to get spare parts for a GTS than an S4, due to its rarity. I know there were some modifications to the engine (obviously), brakes and body, but I thought that most other parts would be interchangeable between the two models. 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I suppose it'll go on the website but I'll give a brief spec: 75K/ fsh, 85%ish from Porsche/ Everything works/ Tahoe Blue (about the rarest S4 colour you can get!)/ refurb original wheels/ Jageng shifter/ About 3K spent in last 2.5years Mail me for pics or call 01793 849820 Im off to cry for a bit :( Owen _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From richard at ritech-systems.com Sun Dec 5 16:21:57 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:21:57 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Oil Message-ID: What Oil for 928s? Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. Until now. At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 synthetic (Castrol Magnatec), according to the invoice. Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from cold and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to drain away and starting from cold is now a noisy affair. After the Dyno run the other day the car stood for a couple of days, and yesterday, when I started it, it sounded like a bag of spanners, and one of the hydraulic tappets was ticking away for about 1/2 mile. After that everything is just fine. I don't like this at all and consequently I will be dropping this oil out and using something a little more conventional. The question is what. I am tempted by Magnatec mineral oil for basic engines, 'cos I use it in my old BMW bike and it has never given me any trouble. You may know better........ Richard From Dk928 at aol.com Sun Dec 5 17:01:31 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:01:31 EST Subject: [928uk] Oil Message-ID: Hi Richard Oh Dear...here we go again....sticking my head over the parapet for the second time.... Millers fully synthetic CFS 10w 60 cos it's especially formulated for revving the bollocks off V8's ( but I don't ) and Chris Sanderson recommends it and uses it in his GT for rallying and thats good enough for moi. _www.millersoils.net_ (http://www.millersoils.net) Glad to hear you all had a good day at the Merry Miller meet yesterday. Regards Dave ( 91 S4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusf at mac.com Sun Dec 5 18:15:33 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:15:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [928uk] BBC2 20:00 - Sun 05.12. - Top Gear - tvtv.co.uk Message-ID: <20041205181533.331FA61935@relay.interpc.de> Hallo 928 list, tvtv and Angus Fox would like to remind you of the following programme: BBC2 - 20:00 - 05.12.2004 Top Gear Transport, 2004, 60 Minutes Motoring magazine presented by Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May. Richard lifts the lid off the BMW 6 Series cabriolet and Jeremy finds out if the true spirit of the VW Golf Gti is back. This week's Star in a Reasonably Priced Car is Cliff Richard More details: http://www.tvtv.co.uk/cgi-bin/detailView/16273071 ---------------------------------------------------------- Message: Dont Forget to watch Top Gear tonight.. ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colincatherall at hotmail.com Sun Dec 5 18:34:03 2004 From: colincatherall at hotmail.com (Colin Catherall) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:34:03 +0000 Subject: [928uk] john jarvis Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graham.manning at tso.co.uk Sun Dec 5 18:52:03 2004 From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:52:03 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411EE@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Owen, You have my sympathy. I recently sold my AMG E36, a car which took me 2 1/2 years to find, and found it a curiously gut-wrenching experience. Damned domesticity! - Graham -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of OWEN GUPPY Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 2:48 PM To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 Oh dear, it even sounds painful to contemplate it! However, now I'm married and we're trying for kids I think it's the 'adult' decision. I suppose it'll go on the website but I'll give a brief spec: 75K/ fsh, 85%ish from Porsche/ Everything works/ Tahoe Blue (about the rarest S4 colour you can get!)/ refurb original wheels/ Jageng shifter/ About 3K spent in last 2.5years Mail me for pics or call 01793 849820 Im off to cry for a bit :( Owen _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ********************************************************************************** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses, however we cannot guarantee that this message is free from such problems. ********************************************************************************** From info at jdsporsche.com Sun Dec 5 18:57:43 2004 From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:57:43 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Oil References: Message-ID: <004901c4dafc$51c51220$4774bfac@aoldsl.net> > > Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. Until > now. > At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what > apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 synthetic (Castrol > Magnatec), according to the invoice. > Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from cold > and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to drain away and starting > from cold is now a noisy affair. >>>>>>>>>> Hi Richard, 5W is too this when cold, 15W is better, 40 or 50W at the hot end. The driver's handbook gives for operation in temps from -10C to +40C multigrade 20-W-50 - that's what the engine was designed to be used with. Get the nearest you can to that. John. From gcma at clark928gts.fsnet.co.uk Sun Dec 5 19:11:38 2004 From: gcma at clark928gts.fsnet.co.uk (margaret CLARK) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:11:38 -0000 Subject: [928uk] more dodgy buyers Message-ID: <00a201c4dafe$3f7fb960$eb314e51@oemcomputer> Got this e-mail from a Maxwell McWilliams (yeh right) Hello Seller, I am interested in buying your (1994 PORSCHE 928 Gts 2dr Auto) you have for sale,I am awear of your price on the advert,which is ?22,950, but I'd like you to quote your last price on it, and you will be paid with a UK Bank Draft or Cheque. I will like to hear from you immediately you gott this message because this an urgent purchase, so that i can aswell contact my clients in the UK to make arrangement for your payment. My shipping agent will handle the shipping of the (1994 PORSCHE 928 Gts 2dr Auto)to my new home in EGYPT. Enclsoed the resent state picture of the car interior with your response so that i can see what i want to buy,what do you think?. I am presently in the UK for a business trip,here is my contact phone number for now, + 447031847710. Best Regards, Mcwilliams. He is supposedly interested in my gts (reserved now by the way). I decided to string Maxwanker McWilliams along a little and enjoyed it quite a lot. He was trying the old trick of offering more than I asked and that could I return the difference etc etc. Please be aware of these bas--rds out there when trying to sell your car, but have a little fun with them to p-ss them off. Graham Clark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hans at 928.me.uk Sun Dec 5 19:16:41 2004 From: hans at 928.me.uk (Hans) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:16:41 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 References: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411EE@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Message-ID: <002701c4dafe$f4d589c0$a0ff0352@pb2> Yes, join the club, my 87 car is up for sale because I can't get the wife and both kids in - it's not all bad though, she is letting me keep the other one !!! Hans. 87 S4. Auto. GP White 91 S4. Auto. Guards Red http://hans.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manning, Graham" To: "OWEN GUPPY" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: 05 December, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 > Owen, > You have my sympathy. I recently sold my AMG E36, a car which took me 2 1/2 years to find, and found it a curiously gut-wrenching experience. Damned domesticity! > > - Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of OWEN GUPPY > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 2:48 PM > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 > > > > Oh dear, it even sounds painful to contemplate it! However, now I'm married and we're trying for kids I think it's the 'adult' decision. > > I suppose it'll go on the website but I'll give a brief spec: > > 75K/ fsh, 85%ish from Porsche/ Everything works/ Tahoe Blue (about the > rarest S4 colour you can get!)/ refurb original wheels/ Jageng shifter/ > About 3K spent in last 2.5years > > Mail me for pics or call 01793 849820 > > Im off to cry for a bit :( > > > Owen > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > **************************************************************************** ****** > This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may > contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed > to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested > to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any > error in transmission. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the > presence of computer viruses, however we cannot guarantee that this message > is free from such problems. > **************************************************************************** ****** > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From ksawyers at nildram.co.uk Sun Dec 5 21:15:20 2004 From: ksawyers at nildram.co.uk (Kingsley Sawyers) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:15:20 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 GTS spare parts - less available (and therefore, more expensive) than S4 References: <20041205102619.XHMC24737.dircache03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> Message-ID: <002d01c4db0f$86f96460$0201a8c0@Nildram> Is it an urban myth that by German law manufacturers must continue provision of spare parts for cars for ten years after production of a model ceases? Kingsley ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 GTS spare parts - less available (and therefore,more expensive) than S4 > Tim, I wouldn't totally agree because as the GTS was the last model made, Porsche still have parts in stock, where as on the earlier cars they no longer have any stock left. Also there are a lot of parts interchangeable between S4 & GTS. If you take for example the rear PU (panel) only the GTS version is available and S4 owners have to fit the GTS version if their's is damaged. > > However if you are referring to second hand parts, then it is harder to find cheap GTS parts. > Regards > Adrian > > > > From: tim at deredvers.com > > Date: 2004/12/05 Sun AM 04:44:46 GMT > > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > > Subject: [928uk] 928 GTS spare parts - less available (and therefore, > > more expensive) than S4 > > > > Just sent this letter to Angus, but just realised there is a mailing list for these sorts of questions.. (sorry Angus!). Any thoughts on this to a "newbie"? > > > > Rgds, > > > > Tim > > > > ***************************************** > > Hope you don't mind me asking, but have been looking round the web and have not yet found an answer to a question I had, so thought I'd drop you a line..I am thinking about getting a Porsche 928 GTS ('94 model), but a friend has told me that it is far more difficult (and therefore expensive) to get spare parts for a GTS than an S4, due to its rarity. I know there were some modifications to the engine (obviously), brakes and body, but I thought that most other parts would be interchangeable between the two models. Any thoughts? > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Tim Collins > > ***************************************** > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Sun Dec 5 21:18:35 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:18:35 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had my own ideas and thoughts for a while based upon as it turns out, not a lot. However when I considered the question analytically, I'ld go with Doug Hillarys "reccomendation" on the Landsharkoz website. He doesn't actually recommend but purely presents the results of his scientific testing with his knowledge of the the subject. He is the only person I know of to test oil used in a 928 at high temperatures (all that matters) over significant mileages and times. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com Sent: 05 December 2004 17:02 To: richard at ritech-systems.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Oil Hi Richard Oh Dear...here we go again....sticking my head over the parapet for the second time.... Millers fully synthetic CFS 10w 60 cos it's especially formulated for revving the bollocks off V8's ( but I don't ) and Chris Sanderson recommends it and uses it in his GT for rallying and thats good enough for moi. www.millersoils.net Glad to hear you all had a good day at the Merry Miller meet yesterday. Regards Dave ( 91 S4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Sun Dec 5 21:26:56 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:26:56 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My second opinion on your issue Your new oil has a better additive and detergent pack than your old oil and has cleaned out some of the gunk that was making seals seal. If the oil is leaking out of the hydraulic tappets it is not the oils fault. There is a non return valve on the oil onlet into each head. (As well as in the oil filter and also in the pressure regulating valve. The rubber O ring seal in the non return valve in the head is probably as a hard as hard can be (even assuming you have a 95 GTS - I cant remember) and has probably started leaking. - It seals the pressurised (pump output) side of the system from the "space under the cam covers" so you'll not see and oil "leak" When it fails it lets the pressurised oil back out of the lifters. Unfortunately it is a couple of hours work to remove the RHS cam cover and about an hour fot the LHS, and about 5p for the O ring. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Richard Armstrong Sent: 05 December 2004 16:22 To: 1. 928uk Subject: [928uk] Oil What Oil for 928s? Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. Until now. At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 synthetic (Castrol Magnatec), according to the invoice. Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from cold and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to drain away and starting from cold is now a noisy affair. After the Dyno run the other day the car stood for a couple of days, and yesterday, when I started it, it sounded like a bag of spanners, and one of the hydraulic tappets was ticking away for about 1/2 mile. After that everything is just fine. I don't like this at all and consequently I will be dropping this oil out and using something a little more conventional. The question is what. I am tempted by Magnatec mineral oil for basic engines, 'cos I use it in my old BMW bike and it has never given me any trouble. You may know better........ Richard _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Sun Dec 5 21:35:43 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:35:43 -0000 Subject: [928uk] =?iso-8859-1?q?Clarkson_=A31500_928?= Message-ID: Highly amusing program I recognise the 928 but can't place where I saw it before and just who paid ?1200 for two doors and two wings ? Jon Black SE From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Sun Dec 5 21:39:52 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:39:52 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5B928uk=5D_Clarkson_=A31500_928?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PS I videod it if any one missed it. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jon Holdsworth Sent: 05 December 2004 21:36 To: 928UK Subject: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 Highly amusing program I recognise the 928 but can't place where I saw it before and just who paid ?1200 for two doors and two wings ? Jon Black SE _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From Dk928 at aol.com Sun Dec 5 22:13:40 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:13:40 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[928uk]=20Clarkson=20=A31500=20928?= Message-ID: <1a6.2cb848d2.2ee4e214@aol.com> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 just wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian928 at tesco.net Sun Dec 5 22:38:34 2004 From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:38:34 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson =?ISO-8859-1?B?ozE1MDA=?= 928 Message-ID: <20041205223834.GBHO24737.dircache03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability reputation of 928's (or values). (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for spares on ebay) Regards Adrian > From: Dk928 at aol.com > Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT > To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > > Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 just > wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP > > David > > From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Sun Dec 5 22:57:04 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:57:04 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200412052257.iB5Mv48o005484@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Jon Holdsworth wrote: > I had my own ideas and thoughts for a while based upon as it turns out, not > a lot. However when I considered the question analytically, I'ld go with > Doug Hillarys "reccomendation" on the Landsharkoz website. He doesn't > actually recommend but purely presents the results of his scientific testing > with his knowledge of the the subject. He is the only person I know of to > test oil used in a 928 at high temperatures (all that matters) over > significant mileages and times. That is also my experience. I examined my unfounded prejudices and tossed 'em, quick smart. I now run Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 Group 5 synthetic in all my cars. I base that decision on the evidence presented by Doug. I would not use mineral oils under any circumstances (the risk of oxidation at elevated temperature is just too great). >From my perspective as an ex-research scientist, his study was NOT scientifically rigorous. Nor, with the limited resources of one individual, could it have been so. It was, however, insightful, diligent, credible, and well executed within the bounds of what was possible. It has also been documented -- so everyone can now examine the evidence: http://www.landsharkoz.com/tt/ttlubricant.htm What Doug did present was a reasonable hypothesis (that modern Group 5 synthetics will work exceptionally well in his 928). He showed some comparison between Shell Helix and Mobil Delvac 1. He did this with logs and regular used oil analyses over a period of two years. The results for Mobil Delvac 1 were exceptional. I have watched my oil pressure like a hawk since switching to Delvac 1. It's on the stops until warm, on the stops above 1500 rpm, and will drop down to as low as 3, idling after sustained hard driving. This is entirely acceptable and well within the factory specifications. As Doug observed, oil pressure is like blood pressure. Low pressure is bad. High pressure is bad. The real issue is flow. Those using very thick oils risk dumping through the oil bypass valve at the very time that maximum flow is needed. Very thin oils (0W-anything) are not suitable for a 928. Mobil Delvac 1 is not cheap. Doug has since stated that Class 3 synthetic hydro-cracked oils are quite cheap to produce, are of very good quality, and quite suitable for use in a 928. These include things like Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40. This would be a sound option for those "price sensitive" to Delvac 1. -- Phil Help Wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply. From angusf at mac.com Sun Dec 5 23:03:32 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:03:32 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[928uk]_Clarkson_=A31500_928?= In-Reply-To: <20041205223834.GBHO24737.dircache03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> References: <20041205223834.GBHO24737.dircache03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> Message-ID: I put more of the story on the home page with more pics.... I will try to get permission to put some of the show up but dont hold your breath... Angus -- On 5 Dec 2004, at 10:38 pm, adrian928 at tesco.net wrote: > Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability > reputation of 928's (or values). > > (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for > spares on ebay) > > Regards > Adrian > >> From: Dk928 at aol.com >> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT >> To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 >> >> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the >> 928 just >> wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP >> >> David >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From stuart928gt at hotmail.com Sun Dec 5 23:22:08 2004 From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:22:08 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 5w40 for short trips and winter driving, 10w50 for the summer and hard running. Dont use 10w60 it is not need in a road car engine 60 is to thick for most oil pumps. Stuart >From: Richard Armstrong >To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> >Subject: [928uk] Oil >Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:21:57 +0000 > >What Oil for 928s? > >Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. Until now. >At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what >apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 synthetic (Castrol >Magnatec), according to the invoice. >Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from cold >and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to drain away and starting >from cold is now a noisy affair. >After the Dyno run the other day the car stood for a couple of days, and >yesterday, when I started it, it sounded like a bag of spanners, and one of >the hydraulic tappets was ticking away for about 1/2 mile. After that >everything is just fine. >I don't like this at all and consequently I will be dropping this oil out >and using something a little more conventional. >The question is what. I am tempted by Magnatec mineral oil for basic >engines, 'cos I use it in my old BMW bike and it has never given me any >trouble. > >You may know better........ > >Richard > >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk From Dk928 at aol.com Sun Dec 5 23:48:55 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:48:55 EST Subject: [928uk] Oil Message-ID: Hi Stuart Just to enlighten me could you explain why the 928 oil pump can't handle a fully synthetic 10w60 ? Thanks David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at dawe.com Mon Dec 6 00:02:49 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:02:49 -0000 Subject: [928uk] merry miller Message-ID: Good to see so many at the MM ! After having raised Andrew's hopes with threat of bringing the CSL my dear son hit a pheasant with it,and did ?2000 damage to the front spoiler and fog light! This caused a short circuit behind the dash......and we think the 928 is electrically peculiar! So he offered his red Merc. AMG sl 65 which I could not resist. It is derestricted and has 650 bhp....I would like to report on its' top speed but there are limits to what one can achieve on the A34! I know that most of you true car fans were appreciative....in spite of it being a Merc! Thank you Clyde for securing the car park! Regards to all. Mike (T reg) From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Mon Dec 6 06:12:46 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:12:46 +1300 Subject: [928uk] Oil References: Message-ID: <00da01c4db5a$9c17c6c0$b5667cca@computername> A basic mineral 15 or 20W-50 is fine for a 928 as long as it is changed frequently. Fancy expensive synthetics will keep the inside of your engine looking better. Thinner oil is more likely to leak past gaskets, piston rings, and out of hydraulic tappets. Changing from mineral oil to synthetic is risky as the synthetic will tend to scour the accumulated residues, with the risk of encouraging leaks (see above), and/or depositing dirt into the bearings. Many people feel happier spending more than they need to for their oil, and that's up to them, but I do seriously advise against moving away from a mineral oil when an engine has already done lots of miles. Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Armstrong" To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:21 AM Subject: [928uk] Oil > What Oil for 928s? > > Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. Until now. > At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 > synthetic (Castrol Magnatec), according to the invoice. > Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from cold and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to > drain away and starting from cold is now a noisy affair. > After the Dyno run the other day the car stood for a couple of days, and yesterday, when I started it, it sounded like a > bag of spanners, and one of the hydraulic tappets was ticking away for about 1/2 mile. After that everything is just fine. > I don't like this at all and consequently I will be dropping this oil out and using something a little more conventional. > The question is what. I am tempted by Magnatec mineral oil for basic engines, 'cos I use it in my old BMW bike and it has > never given me any trouble. > > You may know better........ > > Richard > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From graham.manning at tso.co.uk Mon Dec 6 09:41:58 2004 From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:41:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Oil Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61508A1FA53@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> I completely agree with Smiffy - don't run the risk of mixng synthetic and mineral oils in the same way as you shouldn't mix silicone and mineral brake fluids. A completely rebuilt engine should be fine. However, I've no idea how to tell whether a synthetic or mineral oil is being used in an engine, something which would probably be very useful to buyers of second-hand cars. Does anyone have any ideas? - Graham -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Paul R Smith in NZ Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:13 AM To: 1. 928uk; Richard Armstrong Subject: Re: [928uk] Oil A basic mineral 15 or 20W-50 is fine for a 928 as long as it is changed frequently. Fancy expensive synthetics will keep the inside of your engine looking better. Thinner oil is more likely to leak past gaskets, piston rings, and out of hydraulic tappets. Changing from mineral oil to synthetic is risky as the synthetic will tend to scour the accumulated residues, with the risk of encouraging leaks (see above), and/or depositing dirt into the bearings. Many people feel happier spending more than they need to for their oil, and that's up to them, but I do seriously advise against moving away from a mineral oil when an engine has already done lots of miles. Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Armstrong" To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:21 AM Subject: [928uk] Oil > What Oil for 928s? > > Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. Until now. > At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 > synthetic (Castrol Magnatec), according to the invoice. > Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from cold and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to > drain away and starting from cold is now a noisy affair. > After the Dyno run the other day the car stood for a couple of days, and yesterday, when I started it, it sounded like a > bag of spanners, and one of the hydraulic tappets was ticking away for about 1/2 mile. After that everything is just fine. > I don't like this at all and consequently I will be dropping this oil out and using something a little more conventional. > The question is what. I am tempted by Magnatec mineral oil for basic engines, 'cos I use it in my old BMW bike and it has > never given me any trouble. > > You may know better........ > > Richard > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ********************************************************************************** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses, however we cannot guarantee that this message is free from such problems. ********************************************************************************** From jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com Mon Dec 6 09:48:24 2004 From: jerry.deweerdt at ivar-group.com (Jerry De Weerdt) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:48:24 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Oil References: Message-ID: <00be01c4db78$ba7a6b40$025b48c3@XJDW> My Porsche dealer uses AGIP 10W40 in mine. I don't see anyone referring to this one, is there anything wrong with 10W40? Thanks, Jerry 1985S 250000 km ----- Original Message ----- From: "stuart hickmott" To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:22 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Oil > 5w40 for short trips and winter driving, 10w50 for the summer and hard > running. > > > Dont use 10w60 it is not need in a road car engine 60 is to thick for most > oil pumps. > > > Stuart > > >From: Richard Armstrong > >To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > >Subject: [928uk] Oil > >Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:21:57 +0000 > > > >What Oil for 928s? > > > >Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. Until now. > >At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what > >apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 synthetic (Castrol > >Magnatec), according to the invoice. > >Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from cold > >and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to drain away and starting > >from cold is now a noisy affair. > >After the Dyno run the other day the car stood for a couple of days, and > >yesterday, when I started it, it sounded like a bag of spanners, and one of > >the hydraulic tappets was ticking away for about 1/2 mile. After that > >everything is just fine. > >I don't like this at all and consequently I will be dropping this oil out > >and using something a little more conventional. > >The question is what. I am tempted by Magnatec mineral oil for basic > >engines, 'cos I use it in my old BMW bike and it has never given me any > >trouble. > > > >You may know better........ > > > >Richard > > > >_______________________________________________ > >928uk mailing list > >928uk at 928.org.uk > >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > >928.org.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From hans at 928.me.uk Mon Dec 6 10:02:30 2004 From: hans at 928.me.uk (Hans) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:02:30 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson 928 Message-ID: <003b01c4db7a$b32ed360$0f3b0252@pb2> I saw his custom seats at PA's last week. Who did them ? Is PA going to be putting them on ebay ? I don't want them but it would be interesting to know what someone would be prepared to pay for them ! Why didn't Clarkson give the car the once over before he took it on the road. A water leak would be pretty obvious, surely. And as for spilling the petrol all over the garage forecourt - I think that could maybe have been avoided. It was all very funny though. Hans. 87 S4. Auto. GP White 91 S4. Auto. Guards Red http://hans.me.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart928gt at hotmail.com Mon Dec 6 10:38:57 2004 From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:38:57 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Oil In-Reply-To: <00be01c4db78$ba7a6b40$025b48c3@XJDW> Message-ID: Jerry Ask here for oil advice on any car, sales at opieoils.co.uk they sell about evey grade made, i have NO connection with this firm. Stuart >From: "Jerry De Weerdt" >To: "stuart hickmott" , >, <928uk at 928.org.uk> >Subject: Re: [928uk] Oil >Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:48:24 +0100 > > My Porsche dealer uses AGIP 10W40 in mine. I don't see anyone referring >to >this one, is there anything wrong with 10W40? > > Thanks, > Jerry > > 1985S 250000 km > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stuart hickmott" > To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:22 AM > Subject: RE: [928uk] Oil > > > > 5w40 for short trips and winter driving, 10w50 for the summer and hard > > running. > > > > > > Dont use 10w60 it is not need in a road car engine 60 is to thick for >most > > oil pumps. > > > > > > Stuart > > > > >From: Richard Armstrong > > >To: "1. 928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > >Subject: [928uk] Oil > > >Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:21:57 +0000 > > > > > >What Oil for 928s? > > > > > >Thorny subject with lots of opinions that I have kept away from. >Until >now. > > >At my last service Steve Bull (Devizes, not bad at all) put in what > > >apparently Porsche recommend for all cars now - 5W40 synthetic >(Castrol > > >Magnatec), according to the invoice. > > >Whereas the old oil (?) always produced immediate oil pressure from >cold > > >and an instantly sweet engine, this oil seems to drain away and >starting > > >from cold is now a noisy affair. > > >After the Dyno run the other day the car stood for a couple of days, >and > > >yesterday, when I started it, it sounded like a bag of spanners, and >one of > > >the hydraulic tappets was ticking away for about 1/2 mile. After that > > >everything is just fine. > > >I don't like this at all and consequently I will be dropping this oil >out > > >and using something a little more conventional. > > >The question is what. I am tempted by Magnatec mineral oil for basic > > >engines, 'cos I use it in my old BMW bike and it has never given me >any > > >trouble. > > > > > >You may know better........ > > > > > >Richard > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >928uk mailing list > > >928uk at 928.org.uk > > >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > > >928.org.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 928uk mailing list > > 928uk at 928.org.uk > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > > 928.org.uk > > > > > From justincr00k at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 10:51:12 2004 From: justincr00k at gmail.com (Justin Crook) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:51:12 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson 928 In-Reply-To: <003b01c4db7a$b32ed360$0f3b0252@pb2> References: <003b01c4db7a$b32ed360$0f3b0252@pb2> Message-ID: A little embarrassing to be beaten around the lap by both the 924 and 944 though. On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:02:30 -0000, Hans wrote: > > > I saw his custom seats at PA's last week. Who did them ? Is PA going to be > putting them on ebay ? I don't want them but it would be interesting to know > what someone would be prepared to pay for them ! > > > > Why didn't Clarkson give the car the once over before he took it on the > road. A water leak would be pretty obvious, surely. > > And as for spilling the petrol all over the garage forecourt - I think that > could maybe have been avoided. > > > > It was all very funny though. > > > Hans. > > > 87 S4. Auto. GP White > 91 S4. Auto. Guards Red > http://hans.me.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > -- Justin All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand. From SWalker at ndsuk.com Mon Dec 6 11:07:58 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:07:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson 928 Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008BA@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Hans - he said he'd already sold his 928 "objet d'art" chairs + coffee table for 600GBP. I thought the feature was very funny (esp. the PCGB guys 'evaluating' their cars) - and predictable really for the money they paid for the cars. Interesting that the faults were all common ones - the water leak likely only showed itself once he got stuck in London traffic (we know about the particular suspect 'weak' coolant hoses on 928's), the fuel leak was probably just JC overfilling the tank (common over-fill symptom), and the oil burning is either the oil breather system or knackered piston rings [if it's had a hard life with poor servicing] - I think the latter applied in this case! Even the 944 had that common 928 fault of a knackered remote boot release which won't 'park' & hence makes tailgate closure problematic!! My office colleagues commented that it was simply "great telly" though & appreciated that 1500 quid just ain't enough for a 'classic' Porsche! Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Hans [mailto:hans at 928.me.uk] I saw his custom seats at PA's last week. Who did them ? Is PA going to be putting them on ebay ? I don't want them but it would be interesting to know what someone would be prepared to pay for them ! Why didn't Clarkson give the car the once over before he took it on the road. A water leak would be pretty obvious, surely. And as for spilling the petrol all over the garage forecourt - I think that could maybe have been avoided. It was all very funny though. Hans. 87 S4. Auto. GP White 91 S4. Auto. 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From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 6 11:47:57 2004 From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM ROBERTSON) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:47:57 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_=5B928uk=5D_Clarkson_=A31500_928?= References: <20041205223834.GBHO24737.dircache03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> Message-ID: <009a01c4db89$6f9fc280$4a31893e@CARLTONCOURT> I did hear Clarkson say between shots to the audience that the 928 was a fine car and that he had just been unlucky and said to Richard you've got one have n't you....shame it was n't on camera though..still he does feature Simon's GTS on his DVD. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability reputation > of 928's (or values). > > (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for > spares on ebay) > > Regards > Adrian > >> From: Dk928 at aol.com >> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT >> To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 >> >> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 >> just >> wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP >> >> David >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From hans at 928.me.uk Mon Dec 6 11:54:28 2004 From: hans at 928.me.uk (Hans) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:54:28 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson 928 References: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008BA@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Message-ID: <004c01c4db8a$58a080a0$0f3b0252@pb2> Agreed on all of the below Scott - but who did the furniture go to - I reckon he could have got a lot more for them. I once went to the Arnolfini Gallery in Bristol where they had, as one of their exhibits, an old book with some chocolate wrappers stuck in it as bookmarks - and they wanted ?3k for that !!! Anyone could have done the same under a pound ! I think the biggest conclusion, as you pointed out, is that if you buy any 928 for that sort of money, you are heading for big bills, unless of course you want to break it for parts. But then we all knew that already. On a more personal note, my 91 car was MOT'd last week, and having had the headlamps fixed as they weren't lifting by Dr. A, it went straight through. Car is 13 years old now and was apparently, commented on very favourably, by all those at the garage. BTW - sold the GT yet or still managing to hang on ? Hans. 87 S4. Auto. GP White 91 S4. Auto. Guards Red http://hans.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walker, Scott" To: "Hans" ; "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: 06 December, 2004 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Clarkson 928 Hans - he said he'd already sold his 928 "objet d'art" chairs + coffee table for 600GBP. I thought the feature was very funny (esp. the PCGB guys 'evaluating' their cars) - and predictable really for the money they paid for the cars. Interesting that the faults were all common ones - the water leak likely only showed itself once he got stuck in London traffic (we know about the particular suspect 'weak' coolant hoses on 928's), the fuel leak was probably just JC overfilling the tank (common over-fill symptom), and the oil burning is either the oil breather system or knackered piston rings [if it's had a hard life with poor servicing] - I think the latter applied in this case! Even the 944 had that common 928 fault of a knackered remote boot release which won't 'park' & hence makes tailgate closure problematic!! My office colleagues commented that it was simply "great telly" though & appreciated that 1500 quid just ain't enough for a 'classic' Porsche! From Dk928 at aol.com Mon Dec 6 12:14:03 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:14:03 EST Subject: [928uk] Engine Oils Message-ID: <92.1b4c45ce.2ee5a70b@aol.com> Hi Guys The " which engine oil question" is all very confusing and I think probably a bit emmotive. As a new 928 owner I must rely on information given to me from people who have had their cars longer... together with a little lay research.... and then make a decision! SAE10 appears just fine for engine protection on start-ups down to -25C, and it don't get much colder than that even in North Yorkshire. High operating temperature, where the engine needs real protection, is however a different matter. SAE40 is calibrated at 16.2 CST at 100C and SAE60 at 21.9 CST at 100C, ie. the SAE60 is about 25% "thicker" when hot. Therefore it seems logical that SAE60 will give greater Fluid Operating Strength when hot . Hence my choice to continue using a fully synthetic 10w60 as recomended by Chris. Feedback and constructive criticism on this would be greatly appreciated. Regards David ( 91 S4 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thefirths at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Dec 6 12:18:21 2004 From: thefirths at blueyonder.co.uk (Aaron D Firth) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:18:21 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Q&A Message-ID: I have just subscribed to 928uk and have a few questions for you committed 928 owners. I presently run a Subaru Impreza (2003 WRX upgraded to 290bhp) which was a company car, I have the option of buying it but am fed up with a) the attention it drawers b) the lack of quality and c) the rather manic but fun driving style I have just become self employed as a management consultant and also now own a retail performance parts business with a shop in East Anglia and a full ecom website in development. I have around ?6k to spend on a car and have considered what I want. I don?t mind service costs and costs of keeping a car on the road, and I would like a vehicle with style and appeal that with some upgrading and TLC will maintain it?s value. I also like petrol stations that serve Optimax (my scoob returns somewhere between 15 and 20mpg. I love the shape, style of the 928 and believe this is the way to go. What are the pitfalls, Is 6k enough for my first 928 What should I look for Anyone know of decent ones for sale (or up for sale in Jan ?05) I look forward to your comments Aaron Firth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RogerB at demon-tweeks.co.uk Mon Dec 6 12:31:52 2004 From: RogerB at demon-tweeks.co.uk (Roger Bracewell) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:31:52 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson 928 References: <003b01c4db7a$b32ed360$0f3b0252@pb2> Message-ID: <010a01c4db8f$908220f0$03fa000a@dt.local> Ref Clarkson. The 928 was not slower than the 924 !! I knew the 944 would probably be a little quicker though. I've owned both cars and know why, it's mainly due to the extra 1/2 ton (500+ kg) weight and the drivability on the track with the 928's Auto box. Regards Roger Bracewell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Crook" To: "Hans" Cc: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson 928 > A little embarrassing to be beaten around the lap by both the 924 and > 944 though. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ This message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at demon-tweeks.co.uk Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of DT (Automotives) Limited. This communication is for information only and does not form part of any contract or agreement. Whilst precautions have been taken to ensure this message is free from any virus the recipient is requested to use their own virus scanning software. DT (Automotives) Limited can accept no responsibility for any loss or damage. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. From Dk928 at aol.com Mon Dec 6 12:43:55 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:43:55 EST Subject: [928uk] 928 Q&A Message-ID: Hi Aaron Welcome! Oh dear... I think you're going to be inundated with info. on all points. The 928 Homepage and Archive pages are a real source of info and give balanced views. I'll leave the tech advice to the experts... but I think you should maybe budget around ?8k for a good S4 auto with history... a few around. Regards David (91 S4) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com Mon Dec 6 12:57:54 2004 From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:57:54 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Q&A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Aaron Have you read the wealth of information on the website, which includes buying guides, price guides and a For Sale section (and is now easier to navigate around with the menu system)? A reasonable 928 is achievable for a 6K budget. I would also point out that you can buy a good 944 (late 3-litre S2) for that sort of money; it depends upon your preferred driving style and typical journey. I don't know what you mean by "upgrading", but most Porsche buyers value originality. Kingsley -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Aaron D Firth Sent: 06 December 2004 12:18 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] 928 Q&A I have just subscribed to 928uk and have a few questions for you committed 928 owners. I presently run a Subaru Impreza (2003 WRX upgraded to 290bhp) which was a company car, I have the option of buying it but am fed up with a) the attention it drawers b) the lack of quality and c) the rather manic but fun driving style I have just become self employed as a management consultant and also now own a retail performance parts business with a shop in East Anglia and a full ecom website in development. I have around ?6k to spend on a car and have considered what I want. I don?t mind service costs and costs of keeping a car on the road, and I would like a vehicle with style and appeal that with some upgrading and TLC will maintain it?s value. I also like petrol stations that serve Optimax (my scoob returns somewhere between 15 and 20mpg. I love the shape, style of the 928 and believe this is the way to go. What are the pitfalls, Is 6k enough for my first 928 What should I look for Anyone know of decent ones for sale (or up for sale in Jan ?05) I look forward to your comments Aaron Firth From angusf at mac.com Mon Dec 6 12:58:48 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:58:48 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Q&A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10509621.1102337928100.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> A few good ones on the homepage too, an S4 just went up there yesterday too.... Angus --- On Monday, December 06, 2004, at 12:53PM, wrote: > ><>_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Mon Dec 6 13:05:59 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:05:59 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson 928 References: <003b01c4db7a$b32ed360$0f3b0252@pb2> Message-ID: <000701c4db94$55667fc0$29cd2f50@ThinkPad> Yes.........but remember it was a completely knackered old thing with 2 cylinders not working! Any 928 working properly would have trounced the other 2 cars. All the best Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Crook" To: "Hans" Cc: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson 928 >A little embarrassing to be beaten around the lap by both the 924 and > 944 though. > > > > On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:02:30 -0000, Hans wrote: >> >> >> I saw his custom seats at PA's last week. Who did them ? Is PA going to >> be >> putting them on ebay ? I don't want them but it would be interesting to >> know >> what someone would be prepared to pay for them ! >> >> >> >> Why didn't Clarkson give the car the once over before he took it on the >> road. A water leak would be pretty obvious, surely. >> >> And as for spilling the petrol all over the garage forecourt - I think >> that >> could maybe have been avoided. >> >> >> >> It was all very funny though. >> >> >> Hans. >> >> >> 87 S4. Auto. GP White >> 91 S4. Auto. Guards Red >> http://hans.me.uk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 928uk mailing list >> 928uk at 928.org.uk >> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >> 928.org.uk >> >> > > > -- > Justin > All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand. > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Mon Dec 6 13:16:47 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:16:47 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_=5B928uk=5D_Clarkson_=A31500_928?= References: <20041205223834.GBHO24737.dircache03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@localhost> <009a01c4db89$6f9fc280$4a31893e@CARLTONCOURT> Message-ID: <003501c4db95$d7d61c80$29cd2f50@ThinkPad> Yes, he did say to the audience "I know there are a lot of 928 powners here & the 928 is a very good car, it's just a shame I bought a really bad one". But it was good telly! Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM ROBERTSON" To: ; ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 I did hear Clarkson say between shots to the audience that the 928 was a fine car and that he had just been unlucky and said to Richard you've got one have n't you....shame it was n't on camera though..still he does feature Simon's GTS on his DVD. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability reputation > of 928's (or values). > > (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for > spares on ebay) > > Regards > Adrian > >> From: Dk928 at aol.com >> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT >> To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 >> >> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 >> just >> wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP >> >> David >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From info at jdsporsche.com Mon Dec 6 13:18:58 2004 From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:18:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Q&A References: Message-ID: <00c701c4db96$2560e160$1124cbac@aoldsl.net> I have just subscribed to 928uk and have a few questions for you committed 928 owners. I have around ?6k to spend on a car and have considered what I want. I don't mind service costs and costs of keeping a car on the road, and I would like a vehicle with style and appeal that with some upgrading and TLC will maintain it's value. I also like petrol stations that serve Optimax (my scoob returns somewhere between 15 and 20mpg. I love the shape, style of the 928 and believe this is the way to go. What are the pitfalls, Is 6k enough for my first 928 What should I look for Anyone know of decent ones for sale (or up for sale in Jan '05) I look forward to your comments Aaron Firth >>>>>>>>>> Hello Aaron, I would say you're into late S2 territiory with your budget. The '86 MY S2 has the benfits of S4 brakes, suspension and seats etc. What you need is evidence of good regular maintainance. Critical are coolant change every 2 years, and if an auto, flex plate regular checks. Also regular and timely cambelt and waterpump changes. Plus the usual brake fluid chages etc. You may get a tatty early S4, but best budget money for the inevitable LH ECU repair. Whatever you buy, I would keep some money in reserve to get the car up to a known good standard. John www.jdsprosche.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel at curnock79.fsnet.co.uk Mon Dec 6 17:14:50 2004 From: daniel at curnock79.fsnet.co.uk (Daniel Curnock) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:14:50 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <003801c4dbb7$19806700$63e44c51@D477471J> Hi Folks, I'm rather miffed that I couldn't make it to the Merry Miller on Saturday, as was looking forward to coming down in a very nice & original 928S, but had someone wishing to view a 560SEC, so business came before pleasure. In any case, said 928S is for sale, details follow below, and please email should you want me to send you a photo dossier of this car. regards, Daniel Porsche 928S Auto Details: 1983/A Porsche 928S Automatic: 4.7 litre V8 300bhp. Finished in classy Pewter Metallic with chocolate ? leather & "Pasha" velour interior. 118K genuine miles with a FSH, nearly all previous MoT certificates and a vast invoice dossier. When new this was the flagship of the Porsche range and had a price tag to match - ?30,000 twenty years ago was a hefty sum! Comprehensive specification: Electric windows, electric mirrors, electric seats, air-conditioning, cruise control, central locking. The car is also fitted with a Porsche immobiliser & a Kenwood stereo system. Happily, unlike most 928s, this car hasn't fallen into the wrong hands - it was owned by a wealthy gentleman between 1994-2002 taking the car from 74K-102K in his 8 year tenure. It was bought by its current company director owner in his 50's in 2002, who has covered 16,000 miles to date, including what he informs me was a thoroughly enjoyable blast through France to MonteCarlo. It has been maintained regardless of cost, has just had the cambelt/tensioners/pulleys and waterpump replaced (all genuine Porsche parts - ?360 for parts alone) & a full service at 117K in Spring 2004. Furthermore it received a full service (which included replacement of all fluids - gearbox, brakes, PAS etc) at Merlin Cambria of Cardiff which is an Official Porsche Centre in 2003 - how many 928s can you find which have received main dealer servicing so recently?! The steering rack & alternator were professionally reconditioned last year, and the rear parking drums were stripped and refurbished. What this amounts to is a 928 which is in fine fettle that can be used everyday if required, and provide reliable, very fast & stylish transport. The car is in original and outstanding condition throughout, comes complete with original Porsche Owner's manual and stamped up service book, complete toolkit, folding warning triangle, original forged alloy wheels with special Platinum anodised finish - very smart bodywork and immaculate interior. An original 1983 Porsche 928S sales brochure and colour options chart are included in the sale. The Pewter Metallic colour has grown on me considerably, an understated but expensive and classy scheme which suits the 928's timeless lines rather than a brash in-your-face supercar appearance. This is the 3rd 928 I have had in this year, and this one drives brilliantly, it is difficult to find decent examples like this one nowadays, and it's only for sale as the owner is getting his hands on a time-warp 56K, 1 owner from new 928S2 early next year. ?4,350 Please call Daniel at The 80's Emporium for more information or to arrange a viewing. Tel. 01386 792064. Car located between Stratford-upon-Avon (M40/M42) and Worcester (M5/M6) Previous Porsche Sales 2004 Previous Sales: 1988/E Porsche 944 Lux: 2.5 litre 163bhp. Metallic Maraschino Red with cream ? leather upholstery. 110K with only 3 owners from new, the cambelt and tensioner were replaced 1200 miles ago. Period Alpine hi-fi and original teledial alloy wheels on new Dunlop Sports tyre. In superb, original condition throughout and in one of the best colour schemes. SOLD 1984 Porsche 928 S2: 310bhp 4.7 litre V8. India Red with full black leather interior with red piping. 87,000 genuine miles with a comprehensive Porsche dealer/independent specialist service history. 4-speed automatic transmission, e/sunroof, 8-speaker Blaupunkt Bremen SQR46 hi-fi system, wide track option and also rare special order platinum anodised alloy wheels. Cherished number plate "KCZ 5666" included in sale. One of the very best available and completely original. SOLD to 1st viewer. 1986/D Porsche 928 S2: Very classy looking car in unusual deep metallic Moorland Green with full grey/green leather trim. Rare 5-speed manual transmission to enable full appreciation of the 310bhp V8 powerplant, this special order vehicle also has the sunroof, sports seats and seat heating extra options. Being one of the final S2s it also benefits from the S4 running gear. 95,000 miles, "928" number plate. Comprehensive Porsche dealer/specialist history and completely original. SOLD to 1st viewer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Martin.Burnley at jetix.net Mon Dec 6 17:30:17 2004 From: Martin.Burnley at jetix.net (Burnley, Martin) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:30:17 -0800 Subject: [928uk] TOP GEAR Message-ID: <68433798457B764E81AD463FF325758DB5AFBC@sm-gblo-xm03.emea.wdpr.disney.com> Is it on again tonight anywhere? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. From angusf at mac.com Mon Dec 6 17:54:06 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:54:06 +0000 Subject: [928uk] TOP GEAR In-Reply-To: <003001c4dbba$e251ace0$c6c92f50@ThinkPad> References: <68433798457B764E81AD463FF325758DB5AFBC@sm-gblo-xm03.emea.wdpr.disney.com> <003001c4dbba$e251ace0$c6c92f50@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <9708826.1102355646938.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com> ..And on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday on BBC world if you arent in the UK Go to www.tvtv.co.uk and type top gear in the search area bottom left ... Angus On Monday, December 06, 2004, at 05:50PM, Simon Watson wrote: > ><>_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Watson Sent: 06 December 2004 13:17 To: WILLIAM ROBERTSON; adrian928 at tesco.net; Dk928 at aol.com; jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 Yes, he did say to the audience "I know there are a lot of 928 powners here & the 928 is a very good car, it's just a shame I bought a really bad one". But it was good telly! Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM ROBERTSON" To: ; ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 I did hear Clarkson say between shots to the audience that the 928 was a fine car and that he had just been unlucky and said to Richard you've got one have n't you....shame it was n't on camera though..still he does feature Simon's GTS on his DVD. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability reputation > of 928's (or values). > > (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for > spares on ebay) > > Regards > Adrian > >> From: Dk928 at aol.com >> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT >> To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 >> >> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 >> just >> wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP >> >> David >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From Beocentre at aol.com Mon Dec 6 19:28:32 2004 From: Beocentre at aol.com (Beocentre at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:28:32 EST Subject: [928uk] Panels Message-ID: Hi Guys, Can someone please remind me which panels are aluminium and which are steel... Thanks Rob 89 S4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From georgegita at fugue21.fsnet.co.uk Mon Dec 6 20:17:28 2004 From: georgegita at fugue21.fsnet.co.uk (georgegita at fugue21.fsnet.co.uk) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:17:28 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 References: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411EE@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Message-ID: <002a01c4dbd0$9c132f40$2a4dfea9@ggrf> Yes, but I seem to remember Graham consoling himself by buying a 560SEC! A little bit nicer than mondeo one could say... There is such a thing as a 'car rebound' Anyway your kids will probably give you hell until you get another 928 just as soon as they realise what it was. My 5 year old points out every and I mean every 911 or 928 that appears. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manning, Graham" To: "OWEN GUPPY" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 > Owen, > You have my sympathy. I recently sold my AMG E36, a car which took me 2 1/2 years to find, and found it a curiously gut-wrenching experience. Damned domesticity! > > - Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of OWEN GUPPY > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 2:48 PM > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Selling my '91 S4 > > > > Oh dear, it even sounds painful to contemplate it! However, now I'm married and we're trying for kids I think it's the 'adult' decision. > > I suppose it'll go on the website but I'll give a brief spec: > > 75K/ fsh, 85%ish from Porsche/ Everything works/ Tahoe Blue (about the > rarest S4 colour you can get!)/ refurb original wheels/ Jageng shifter/ > About 3K spent in last 2.5years > > Mail me for pics or call 01793 849820 > > Im off to cry for a bit :( > > > Owen > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > **************************************************************************** ****** > This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may > contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed > to anyone other than the addressee. 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Didn't take long to convince us to 'go for it' and plan on pulling the engine to do things properly in order to sort the Great White Shark at home. Looking forward to driving to the next meeting in it. Cheers George Weitz (Jnr & Snr) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ksawyers at nildram.co.uk Mon Dec 6 23:16:53 2004 From: ksawyers at nildram.co.uk (Kingsley Sawyers) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:16:53 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> <003801c4dbb7$19806700$63e44c51@D477471J> Message-ID: <004301c4dbe9$ac4b5ea0$0201a8c0@Nildram> Hi Daniel Are you a car dealer by trade? Kingsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Curnock" To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale Hi Folks, I'm rather miffed that I couldn't make it to the Merry Miller on Saturday, as was looking forward to coming down in a very nice & original 928S, but had someone wishing to view a 560SEC, so business came before pleasure. In any case, said 928S is for sale, details follow below, and please email should you want me to send you a photo dossier of this car. regards, Daniel Porsche 928S Auto Details: 1983/A Porsche 928S Automatic: 4.7 litre V8 300bhp. Finished in classy Pewter Metallic with chocolate ? leather & "Pasha" velour interior. 118K genuine miles with a FSH, nearly all previous MoT certificates and a vast invoice dossier. From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Tue Dec 7 06:35:33 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:35:33 +1300 Subject: [928uk] Panels References: <000c01c4dbcb$4899a790$47ef2952@steve8olbxz78h> Message-ID: <006d01c4dc2a$0d91c290$18667cca@computername> Bonnet is ally. And the whole of the doors, (and the front wings). Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "S & DJ" To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Panels > Rob, > > I can be corrected if wrong, but am sure, bonnet and bumper are > polyurethane, front wings, bonnet and door skins are aluminium, everything > else steel. > > > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf > Of Beocentre at aol.com > Sent: 06 December 2004 19:29 > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] Panels > > > > Hi Guys, > > Can someone please remind me which panels are aluminium and which are > steel... > > Thanks > > Rob > > 89 S4 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From marton at befree.ch Tue Dec 7 07:01:13 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:01:13 +0100 Subject: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com><003801c4dbb7$19806700$63e44c51@D477471J> <004301c4dbe9$ac4b5ea0$0201a8c0@Nildram> Message-ID: <001201c4dc2a$8a618300$0500000a@simone> is the Pope Catholic? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kingsley Sawyers" To: "Daniel Curnock" ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale > Hi Daniel > > Are you a car dealer by trade? > > Kingsley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Curnock" > To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:14 PM > Subject: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale > > > Hi Folks, > > I'm rather miffed that I couldn't make it to the Merry Miller on Saturday, > as was looking forward to coming down in a very nice & original 928S, but > had someone wishing to view a 560SEC, so business came before pleasure. In > any case, said 928S is for sale, details follow below, and please email > should you want me to send you a photo dossier of this car. > > regards, Daniel > > Porsche 928S Auto Details: > > > > 1983/A Porsche 928S Automatic: 4.7 litre V8 300bhp. Finished in classy > Pewter Metallic with chocolate ? leather & "Pasha" velour interior. 118K > genuine miles with a FSH, nearly all previous MoT certificates and a vast > invoice dossier. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.6 - Release Date: 05.12.04 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.6 - Release Date: 05.12.04 From m.scantlebury at btconnect.com Mon Dec 6 16:09:59 2004 From: m.scantlebury at btconnect.com (Michael Scantlebury) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:09:59 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Tyres References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> <01ac01c4d950$6909fd90$025b48c3@XJDW> Message-ID: <000601c4dc2f$22723460$4fe88b51@axonsystem> I have Eagle F1's on my '88 S4 auto (no LSD)and wouldn't be persuaded to fit anything else now; they just have so much wet road grip even when well worn. Also they seem to have a large "grey area" between gripping and sliding making for a progressive slide rather than any sudden letting go. Cost for standard 16 inch sizes around ?100 from local tyre supplier. Michael S ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry De Weerdt To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys, I read about Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop etc... Has anyone tried GoodYear Eagle F1's? I've got them on my 1985 (255 rear 215 front) and they perform very well, especially in the wet (which could be important, doesn't it rain a lot in the UK? :-) ... ) Cheers, Jerry (Belgium, also a wet country) 1985S 1980 Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. 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URL: From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Tue Dec 7 07:48:07 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:48:07 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Tyres In-Reply-To: <000601c4dc2f$22723460$4fe88b51@axonsystem> Message-ID: <200412070748.iB77m7c3024792@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Michael Scantlebury wrote: > > I have Eagle F1's on my '88 S4 auto (no LSD)and wouldn't be > persuaded to fit anything else now; they just have so much wet road > grip even when well worn. Also they seem to have a large "grey > area" between gripping and sliding making for a progressive slide > rather than any sudden letting go. Cost for standard 16 inch sizes > around ?100 from local tyre supplier. As with Pirelli Pzero, "Goodyear Eagle F1" covers a multitude of "tyre models", including: Goodyear Eagle F1 Fiorano Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar Goodyear Eagle F1 GS The "Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3" is undoubtedly a premium tyre. Many positive reports. I would absolutely be willing to try this tyre on my car. However, I have heard several complaints against the generic "Goodyear Eagle F1", especially in regard to soft sidewalls and sidewall-flex induced oversteer -- but never pinned this to a specific model of the tyre. I would be cautious about putting any "Goodyear Eagle F1" tyres on the rear of a 928 and hard sidewall (most Japanese) tyres on the front. -- Phil In Boston drivers don't even obey the laws of PHYSICS. -- Dave Barry From patrickc at hothouse.com.au Tue Dec 7 08:04:21 2004 From: patrickc at hothouse.com.au (Patrick Cusack) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:04:21 +1100 Subject: [928uk] Tyres Message-ID: <0D354BD7CA34F94DA924CF333DEC5A3E82D084@pigeon.hhi.net.au> Yep - I run 225x45x16 Eagle F1s on a VR6 Golf and they plough very progressively with none of the noise or wear issues that plague everything else I've run on that car. It's a harsh life up front - and they last a lot longer than the (Continental) rear tires on the Shark. It's currently raining in Australia for about the first time in a decade - so I must pop out and see if they dissolve ;-) Pat '89GT (and a sensible car) ________________________________ From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Scantlebury Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 3:10 AM To: Jerry De Weerdt; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres I have Eagle F1's on my '88 S4 auto (no LSD)and wouldn't be persuaded to fit anything else now; they just have so much wet road grip even when well worn. Also they seem to have a large "grey area" between gripping and sliding making for a progressive slide rather than any sudden letting go. Cost for standard 16 inch sizes around ?100 from local tyre supplier. Michael S ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry De Weerdt To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys, I read about Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop etc... Has anyone tried GoodYear Eagle F1's? I've got them on my 1985 (255 rear 215 front) and they perform very well, especially in the wet (which could be important, doesn't it rain a lot in the UK? :-) ... ) Cheers, Jerry (Belgium, also a wet country) 1985S 1980 Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ________________________________ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ________________________________ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ________________________________ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com Tue Dec 7 08:28:32 2004 From: ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com (Ken Trueman) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:28:32 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Panels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you want to be sure, put a magnet against the bits you want to check. Where it sticks (use a thin bit of cloth between the two bits of metal), it'll be steel; where it don't, it'll be aluminium - except the front and rear PU's (plastic). cheers Ken 93 GTS -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Beocentre at aol.com Sent: 06 December 2004 19:29 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Panels Hi Guys, Can someone please remind me which panels are aluminium and which are steel... Thanks Rob 89 S4 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com Tue Dec 7 09:09:24 2004 From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.com (Kingsley Sawyers, e-DBA Team) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:09:24 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Trader posts In-Reply-To: <001201c4dc2a$8a618300$0500000a@simone> Message-ID: Just making sure. It was more of a rhetorical question, really. It's no skin off my nose, but it seems to me that this not-for-profit list has a usable For Sale section on the website, entry into which is dependent upon a donation towards Angus' costs. Trade posts from "professional" dealers are just spam, aren't they? Kingsley > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of marton > Sent: 07 December 2004 07:01 > To: Kingsley Sawyers; Daniel Curnock; Dk928 at aol.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: Re: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale > > > is the Pope Catholic? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kingsley Sawyers" > To: "Daniel Curnock" ; ; > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [928uk] 1983 928S For Sale > > > > Hi Daniel > > > > Are you a car dealer by trade? > > > > Kingsley > From angusf at mac.com Tue Dec 7 09:16:24 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:16:24 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In-Reply-To: <001201c4dc2a$8a618300$0500000a@simone> References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> <003801c4dbb7$19806700$63e44c51@D477471J> <004301c4dbe9$ac4b5ea0$0201a8c0@Nildram> <001201c4dc2a$8a618300$0500000a@simone> Message-ID: I dont really mind text only adverts by email as long as they dont contain attachments and *are* of 928's. But traders do need to state that they are to comply with the British Advertisments (Disclosure) Order 1977. This is usually done with a '(T)'. Its the traders responsibility not mine. I would *really* prefer traders to place paid advertisements on the site at around the ?50 level. (Surely they can afford it for access to such a rich base of 928 fans). What do other people think? Angus From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Tue Dec 7 09:27:10 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:27:10 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_=5B928uk=5D_Clarkson_=A31500_928?= References: <003701c4dbc8$1c26bf20$47ef2952@steve8olbxz78h> Message-ID: <003301c4dc3e$eecef480$6cd92f50@ThinkPad> Hi Steve No, it was more filming doing power slides etc. at the various corners like Hammerhead & Chicago, in car piece-to-camera takes & 130mph flypasts down the runway etc. rather than timed laps & Jeremy Clarkson did all the driving not The Stig. Great fun though! I must do a proper writeup with pics when I get time & Angus can put it on the site (he offered a while back). JC signed some piucs I took of the car with him & the DVD which is fun to have. Great 928 PR & they all loved the GTS, far more than was perhaps apparent in the actual DVD and he kept commenting on how good the GTS was at speed, "it's just rock solid at speed" and how it was just like a modern supercar except that top 2004 supercars are now 550BHP. I have my own video footage too which is great, including Jeremy taking me round the Top Gear track in my GTS with running comentary & doing powerslides steering with the throttle etc!! Adrian Clark said when he saw my film of the GTS cornering/powersliding said he'd never seen anything like it in a 928! I'll have to take up Kal's offer of putting it on DVD so you can all see (it is helped I think by the externally adjustablre Koni shocks & Eibach springs & adjustable front & rear drop links from 928 Specialists which virtually elinminate roll. It also used no oil with Clarkson driving it hfairly hard for about 2 hours, the factory modified engine to stop GTS oil consumption is working a treat; the car has not missed a beat since & then had a great time at the Nurburgring. And the runway flypasts are amazing & the exhaust (Blue Flame stainless) sounds just GREAT! Far better than I realised as I'm usually IN the car not outside it! Sorry I'm getting carried away, but it was pretty exciting & I'll do a proper writeup when I get round to it. Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "S & DJ" To: "'Simon Watson'" ; "'WILLIAM ROBERTSON'" ; ; ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: RE: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 Simon, Did you get a lap time from your GTS around the track, as part of the recent video shoot for Clarkson, or does someone have the contacts to get the Stig on the job? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Watson Sent: 06 December 2004 13:17 To: WILLIAM ROBERTSON; adrian928 at tesco.net; Dk928 at aol.com; jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 Yes, he did say to the audience "I know there are a lot of 928 powners here & the 928 is a very good car, it's just a shame I bought a really bad one". But it was good telly! Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM ROBERTSON" To: ; ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 I did hear Clarkson say between shots to the audience that the 928 was a fine car and that he had just been unlucky and said to Richard you've got one have n't you....shame it was n't on camera though..still he does feature Simon's GTS on his DVD. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability reputation > of 928's (or values). > > (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for > spares on ebay) > > Regards > Adrian > >> From: Dk928 at aol.com >> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT >> To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 >> >> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 >> just >> wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP >> >> David >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Tue Dec 7 09:32:46 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:32:46 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson driving Simon's GTS report Message-ID: <005f01c4dc3f$b67dbac0$6cd92f50@ThinkPad> > Simon, > Did you get a lap time from your GTS around the track, as part of the > recent > video shoot for Clarkson, or does someone have the contacts to get the > Stig > on the job? > > Regards > Steve Hi Steve No, it was more filming doing power slides etc. at the various corners like Hammerhead & Chicago, in car piece-to-camera takes & 130mph flypasts down the runway etc. rather than timed laps & Jeremy Clarkson did all the driving not The Stig. Great fun though! I must do a proper writeup with pics when I get time & Angus can put it on the site (he offered a while back). JC signed some piucs I took of the car with him & the DVD which is fun to have. Great 928 PR & they all loved the GTS, far more than was perhaps apparent in the actual DVD and he kept commenting on how good the GTS was at speed, "it's just rock solid at speed" and how it was just like a modern supercar except that top 2004 supercars are now 550BHP. I have my own video footage too which is great, including Jeremy taking me round the Top Gear track in my GTS with running comentary & doing powerslides steering with the throttle etc!! Adrian Clark said when he saw my film of the GTS cornering/powersliding said he'd never seen anything like it in a 928! I'll have to take up Kal's offer of putting it on DVD so you can all see (it is helped I think by the externally adjustablre Koni shocks & Eibach springs & adjustable front & rear drop links from 928 Specialists which virtually elinminate roll. It also used no oil with Clarkson driving it hfairly hard for about 2 hours, the factory modified engine to stop GTS oil consumption is working a treat; the car has not missed a beat since & then had a great time at the Nurburgring. And the runway flypasts are amazing & the exhaust (Blue Flame stainless) sounds just GREAT! Far better than I realised as I'm usually IN the car not outside it! Sorry I'm getting carried away, but it was pretty exciting & I'll do a proper writeup when I get round to it. Simon 95 GTS manual > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf > Of Simon Watson > Sent: 06 December 2004 13:17 > To: WILLIAM ROBERTSON; adrian928 at tesco.net; Dk928 at aol.com; > jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > > Yes, he did say to the audience "I know there are a lot of 928 powners > here > & the 928 is a very good car, it's just a shame I bought a really bad > one". > But it was good telly! > Simon > 95 GTS manual > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM ROBERTSON" > To: ; ; ; > <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > > > I did hear Clarkson say between shots to the audience that the 928 was a > fine car and that he had just been unlucky and said to Richard you've got > one have n't you....shame it was n't on camera though..still he does > feature > Simon's GTS on his DVD. Regards, Bill. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:38 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > > >> Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability reputation >> of 928's (or values). >> >> (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for >> spares on ebay) >> >> Regards >> Adrian >> >>> From: Dk928 at aol.com >>> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT >>> To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk >>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 >>> >>> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 >>> just >>> wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP >>> >>> David >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 928uk mailing list >> 928uk at 928.org.uk >> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >> 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > From Dk928 at aol.com Tue Dec 7 09:42:32 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 04:42:32 EST Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Message-ID: <1df.303ac561.2ee6d508@aol.com> Yeah Angus... My votes no more freeby ads on the list !!! Pay yer dues Daniel and put it in the right place. ( yer motor was too expensive anyway) David ( anyone in the market for moleskin jeans ? :o) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, for that, they should get a clear set of benefits. If you're going to branch out into commercial advertising, you have to have rules. Nick C. > > From: Alan Baldwin > Date: 2004/12/07 Tue PM 12:31:57 GMT > To: 928 list <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... > > > On 7 Dec 2004, at 09:16, Angus wrote: > > > > > > What do other people think? > > > > Angus > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From daniel at curnock79.fsnet.co.uk Tue Dec 7 12:53:12 2004 From: daniel at curnock79.fsnet.co.uk (Daniel Curnock) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:53:12 -0000 Subject: [928uk] advertisements References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c4dc5b$b7029170$bd144e51@D477471J> Apologies to all those who I may have irritated, I have placed a few ads on the website actually, posting an ad on the forum was a spur of the moment thing, and I didn't intend to get anyone's back up and I won't dare do it again! regards, Daniel PS. thank you for the enlightenment Dk928... I wouldn't be so rude as to comment on the condition or price of somone else's 928 without having viewed or driven it... so much for friendly 928 folk. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RogerB at demon-tweeks.co.uk Tue Dec 7 13:01:54 2004 From: RogerB at demon-tweeks.co.uk (Roger Bracewell) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:01:54 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... References: <20041207123901.TYWF3407.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.69]> Message-ID: <011d01c4dc5c$ed170fb0$03fa000a@dt.local> Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Most people loose money when they sell a car, Traders are in it to make money. This probably makes the site less friendly, if it includes cars not being sold by genuine owners who love their cars, but business people making a buck I'm sure there are traders who love Porsches but it's not quite the same. I guess if the pages of cars on the site were overwhelmed by trade adverts some people may object but the odd one can't hurt cab it as long as it's stated it a trade advertisement ? Regards Roger The Racer 1986 S2 ________________________________________________________________________ This message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at demon-tweeks.co.uk Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of DT (Automotives) Limited. This communication is for information only and does not form part of any contract or agreement. Whilst precautions have been taken to ensure this message is free from any virus the recipient is requested to use their own virus scanning software. DT (Automotives) Limited can accept no responsibility for any loss or damage. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kal at funkychimp.com Tue Dec 7 13:26:34 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:26:34 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In-Reply-To: <011d01c4dc5c$ed170fb0$03fa000a@dt.local> Message-ID: <003501c4dc60$744f1f10$1001a8c0@FunkyLaptop> agreed, the odd one doesn't do any harm, jeeeees give the guy a break -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roger Bracewell Sent: 07 December 2004 13:02 To: Nick Carrington; Alan Baldwin; 928 list Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Most people loose money when they sell a car, Traders are in it to make money. This probably makes the site less friendly, if it includes cars not being sold by genuine owners who love their cars, but business people making a buck I'm sure there are traders who love Porsches but it's not quite the same. I guess if the pages of cars on the site were overwhelmed by trade adverts some people may object but the odd one can't hurt cab it as long as it's stated it a trade advertisement ? Regards Roger The Racer 1986 S2 ________________________________________________________________________ This message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at demon-tweeks.co.uk Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of DT (Automotives) Limited. This communication is for information only and does not form part of any contract or agreement. 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URL: From stuart928gt at hotmail.com Tue Dec 7 14:09:14 2004 From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:09:14 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Tyres In-Reply-To: <000601c4dc2f$22723460$4fe88b51@axonsystem> Message-ID: Can the 245/45/16 still be got in the F1's Stuart >From: "Michael Scantlebury" >Reply-To: Michael Scantlebury >To: "Jerry De Weerdt" , , ><928uk at 928.org.uk> >Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres >Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:09:59 -0000 > >I have Eagle F1's on my '88 S4 auto (no LSD)and wouldn't be persuaded to >fit anything else now; they just have so much wet road grip even when well >worn. Also they seem to have a large "grey area" between gripping and >sliding making for a progressive slide rather than any sudden letting go. >Cost for standard 16 inch sizes around ?100 from local tyre supplier. > > >Michael S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry De Weerdt > To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:54 PM > Subject: Re: [928uk] Tyres > > > Hi Guys, > > I read about Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop etc... Has anyone tried >GoodYear Eagle F1's? I've got them on my 1985 (255 rear 215 front) and they >perform very well, especially in the wet (which could be important, doesn't >it rain a lot in the UK? :-) ... ) > > Cheers, > Jerry (Belgium, also a wet country) > > 1985S > 1980 Racing > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dk928 at aol.com > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM > Subject: [928uk] Tyres > > > Hi Guys > > Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new >Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) > Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. >Prices include VAT and Delivery > As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) > > David ( 91 S4 ) > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dk928 at aol.com > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:17 PM > Subject: [928uk] Tyres > > > Hi Guys > > Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new >Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) > Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. >Prices include VAT and Delivery > As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) > > David ( 91 S4 ) > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk From mike at dawe.com Tue Dec 7 15:39:11 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:39:11 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In-Reply-To: <1df.303ac561.2ee6d508@aol.com> Message-ID: Yeah,anyone wanna tower crane? Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com Sent: 07 December 2004 09:43 To: angusf at mac.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Yeah Angus... My votes no more freeby ads on the list !!! Pay yer dues Daniel and put it in the right place. ( yer motor was too expensive anyway) David ( anyone in the market for moleskin jeans ? :o) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ajdd34 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 7 15:51:25 2004 From: ajdd34 at yahoo.com (Diana and Tony) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:51:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [928uk] paint job Message-ID: <20041207155125.65138.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> anybody want to recemend a good body shop in the woking area (radius 20 miles) I am looking to get my S2 resprayed in the original GP white. It is not in bad shape, just the ususal stone chips, but I am getting quotes in the ?4500 range. Must be the fact that I am a Porsche owner with a US accent. Please help. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusf at mac.com Tue Dec 7 16:26:29 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:26:29 +0000 Subject: [928uk] paint job In-Reply-To: <20041207155125.65138.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041207155125.65138.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used a local Bookham (near Leatherhead, about 20 mins from Woking) paintshop. They did a very nice job on my GT front PU. It was a few hundred quid. Not a main dealer but the colour match was very good. My RS2 was done at Bells in Guildford under Insurance and again was perfect work. Angus --- On 7 Dec 2004, at 3:51 pm, Diana and Tony wrote: > anybody want to recemend a good body shop in the woking area (radius > 20 miles)? I am looking to get my S2 resprayed in the original GP > white.? It is not in bad shape, just the ususal stone chips, but I am > getting quotes in the ?4500 range.? Must be the fact that I am a > Porsche owner with a US accent.? Please help.? > ? > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage > less._______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From andrew at leblancsmith.com Tue Dec 7 17:38:56 2004 From: andrew at leblancsmith.com (Andrew Le Blanc Smith) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:38:56 -0000 Subject: FW: [928uk] paint job Message-ID: Hi Tony, Try Springfield , Slyfield Industrial Estate, Guildford 01483 575054. They have done some good work for me on several cars. Andrew 82S -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Diana and Tony Sent: 07 December 2004 15:51 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] paint job anybody want to recemend a good body shop in the woking area (radius 20 miles) I am looking to get my S2 resprayed in the original GP white. It is not in bad shape, just the ususal stone chips, but I am getting quotes in the #4500 range. Must be the fact that I am a Porsche owner with a US accent. Please help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00010.txt URL: From ronald.smith at onetel.net Tue Dec 7 18:03:58 2004 From: ronald.smith at onetel.net (Ron Smith) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:03:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the list Message-ID: <000101c4dc87$20f0e390$19854ed5@RonsPC> No, Angus, I don't think adverts should be on the list. We have enough trouble with spam, let alone getting rid of adverts. OK on the web provided that they pay for the facility, but not the list. Regards, Ron Smith of Ashtead 85 S2 auto, Iris Blue From marton at befree.ch Tue Dec 7 18:34:28 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:34:28 +0100 Subject: [928uk] advertisements References: <1fb.1c9b9e3.2ee1dd7e@aol.com> <005b01c4dc5b$b7029170$bd144e51@D477471J> Message-ID: <014601c4dc8b$62e116e0$0500000a@simone> About "I wouldn't be so rude as to comment on the condition or price of somone else's 928 without having viewed or driven it..." well I guess that is one of the risks that you have to live with when you choose to post an ad on a free web forum. One risk is that you will get back well informed (or ill informed) comments about the offer but either way please don't try to stifle people's freedom of speech. Actually that is not a bad idea. Hey Angus could you put a comments section on each ad in your web pages so we can give our views on the various offers....? Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Curnock To: Dk928 at aol.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] advertisements Apologies to all those who I may have irritated, I have placed a few ads on the website actually, posting an ad on the forum was a spur of the moment thing, and I didn't intend to get anyone's back up and I won't dare do it again! regards, Daniel PS. thank you for the enlightenment Dk928... I wouldn't be so rude as to comment on the condition or price of somone else's 928 without having viewed or driven it... so much for friendly 928 folk. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [928uk] Tyres Hi Guys Yesterday Colin posted info on Johnsons Tyres. I'm wanting new Dunlops so I gave them a bell today. ( 01978 844498 ) Price for Dunlop SP9000's .....225 50 ZR16 ?90 , 245 45 ZR16 ?98. Prices include VAT and Delivery As Colin said ... bloody cheap I think. ( Unless you know better ) David ( 91 S4 ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.6 - Release Date: 05.12.04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.6 - Release Date: 05.12.04 From Dk928 at aol.com Tue Dec 7 18:49:54 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:49:54 EST Subject: [928uk] advertisements Message-ID: Hi All Sorry to have offended Daniel.... and indeed anyone else on the list with a 1983 928S for sale at around the ?4.3 grand mark.... its no doubt a bargain ! Honest...... It was "a spur of the moment thing"... just had to stick my spoke in. Actually it wasnt the ad that irritated..... it was the portfolio of previous sales....bit pretentous don't you think? David ( now repentant and beating my ass with birch twigs ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mike at dawe.com Tue Dec 7 19:52:27 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:52:27 -0000 Subject: [928uk] advertisements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am sure that Daniel was aware that he was flying a kite;he just did not expect it to be shot down so quickly! I think that a bit of 'ribbing and leg pulling' is to be welcomed.We would be a dull lot if we warbled on about oil viscosity and nothing else! However this e-mail communication thing is difficult to master! An apparent innocent comment can land one in deep kakky........it is part of the charm of the medium. So is its' brevity, must go! Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com Sent: 07 December 2004 18:50 To: marton at befree.ch; daniel at curnock79.fsnet.co.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] advertisements Hi All Sorry to have offended Daniel.... and indeed anyone else on the list with a 1983 928S for sale at around the ?4.3 grand mark.... its no doubt a bargain ! Honest...... It was "a spur of the moment thing"... just had to stick my spoke in. Actually it wasnt the ad that irritated..... it was the portfolio of previous sales....bit pretentous don't you think? David ( now repentant and beating my ass with birch twigs ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 7 20:30:49 2004 From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:30:49 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Journey planning Message-ID: <002b01c4dc9b$a42eab20$0200a8c0@pc> Hi Guys It's my day for needing advice... While planning my proposed trip up through Spain and going through my check list (Oil, extra oil, money, more money) I have a job I have put off over the last year being an almost inaudible but squeaky (clutch) bearing which can be heard at tickover when cold, goes away (almost always) when warm or obviously when the clutch is depressed. Porsche are obviously keen to do the job but seem to want to replace most of the car when renewing the two dollar culprit - so not surprisingly I have been putting off spending the ?3000 (I met a fellow Scot who told me that in the Gaelic language they do not have a word quite as urgent as ma?ana) - but now I want to do 1500 clicks have I got something to worry about? - i.e is this a gradual failure or should I bargain on excitement? Colin '93 GTS Man, AA cover, credit card, taxi account -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roy at rcscon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 7 21:39:42 2004 From: roy at rcscon.freeserve.co.uk (RCS) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:39:42 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Journey planning References: <002b01c4dc9b$a42eab20$0200a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <001d01c4dca5$4540dd90$0a00a8c0@rcsb7nivhz5rwf> If you break down in Spain you will know what ma?ana really means. Can offer you a bed in the Denia Region if my builder get his finger out !!. Best you get it sorted before you leave. Roy Tabb S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin McCraith To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: [928uk] Journey planning Hi Guys It's my day for needing advice... While planning my proposed trip up through Spain and going through my check list (Oil, extra oil, money, more money) I have a job I have put off over the last year being an almost inaudible but squeaky (clutch) bearing which can be heard at tickover when cold, goes away (almost always) when warm or obviously when the clutch is depressed. Porsche are obviously keen to do the job but seem to want to replace most of the car when renewing the two dollar culprit - so not surprisingly I have been putting off spending the ?3000 (I met a fellow Scot who told me that in the Gaelic language they do not have a word quite as urgent as ma?ana) - but now I want to do 1500 clicks have I got something to worry about? - i.e is this a gradual failure or should I bargain on excitement? Colin '93 GTS Man, AA cover, credit card, taxi account ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From go928 at btinternet.com Tue Dec 7 22:11:17 2004 From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham 928) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:11:17 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004301c4dca9$af0cc550$0100a8c0@Desktop> Angus, Your proposal seems about right - we don't want the list being taken over by the trade but nor do we want to alienate people like Daniel. You have done a bl**dy good job moderating the list up till now and I, for one, am happy for you to continue in this vein. Graham Orr (91 S4) Ps ..... and thanks to all those involved with organising the Merry Miller gathering at the weekend. Excellent as usual. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Angus Sent: 07 December 2004 09:16 To: 928uk Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... I dont really mind text only adverts by email as long as they dont contain attachments and *are* of 928's. But traders do need to state that they are to comply with the British Advertisments (Disclosure) Order 1977. This is usually done with a '(T)'. Its the traders responsibility not mine. I would *really* prefer traders to place paid advertisements on the site at around the ?50 level. (Surely they can afford it for access to such a rich base of 928 fans). What do other people think? Angus _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From graham.manning at tso.co.uk Tue Dec 7 22:40:23 2004 From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:40:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411F3@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> I feel that ads should be placed on the website; I see nothing wrong with a short post along the lines of "1985 928S2 free to a good home, see 928.org.uk ads for more info" (forward emails of this type to me for vetting!) but thats all that should be necessary. Angus has drawn attention to new ads in the past, but this would give the advertiser the opportunity to advertise their advert. Traders should pay for their ads. Angus (quite reasonably) asks for an informal contribution from list members for posting an ad; I suggest something a little more rigorous for traders, and the ?50 suggestion doesn't seem unfair for the priviledge of publicising (with colour photos) the sale of thousands of pounds worth of supercar. As Graham (Orr) says, we don't want to alienate traders - at least, not the good ones! - Graham -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Graham 928 Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:11 PM To: 'Angus'; '928uk' Subject: RE: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Angus, Your proposal seems about right - we don't want the list being taken over by the trade but nor do we want to alienate people like Daniel. You have done a bl**dy good job moderating the list up till now and I, for one, am happy for you to continue in this vein. Graham Orr (91 S4) Ps ..... and thanks to all those involved with organising the Merry Miller gathering at the weekend. Excellent as usual. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Angus Sent: 07 December 2004 09:16 To: 928uk Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... I dont really mind text only adverts by email as long as they dont contain attachments and *are* of 928's. But traders do need to state that they are to comply with the British Advertisments (Disclosure) Order 1977. This is usually done with a '(T)'. Its the traders responsibility not mine. I would *really* prefer traders to place paid advertisements on the site at around the ?50 level. (Surely they can afford it for access to such a rich base of 928 fans). What do other people think? Angus _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk ********************************************************************************** This message is sent in strict confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses, however we cannot guarantee that this message is free from such problems. ********************************************************************************** From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au Tue Dec 7 23:05:16 2004 From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:05:16 +1000 (EST) Subject: [928uk] Tyres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200412072305.iB7N5G7A015645@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> stuart hickmott wrote: > > Can the 245/45/16 still be got in the F1's No, not for any of the F1 variants. The GS-D3s are available in: - the standard pre-S4 universal 16" size of 225/50-16; and - the standard 17" sizes of 255/40-17(R) of 225/45-17(F). -- Phil The Second Amendment states that, since a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, you can buy high-powered guns via mail order and go out into the woods with your friends and absolutely vaporize some deer. -- Dave Barry From dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Dec 7 23:24:02 2004 From: dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk (S & DJ) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:24:02 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Re:_=5B928uk=5D_Clarkson_=A31500_928?= In-Reply-To: <003301c4dc3e$eecef480$6cd92f50@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <000001c4dcb3$d9c2de60$47ef2952@steve8olbxz78h> Simon, No need to worry about being carried away. I was keen to get your views; I even went as far as buying the video, although I thought I was getting a DVD. That will teach me to pay more attention buying things on the net. It sounded like a great day, albeit I would sweat on the tyre front. I'd be interested to hear more on the suspension set up you have, or others for that matter, I think it will be my next summer project. Was the work carried out by Chris at Loe Bank? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: Simon Watson [mailto:simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk] Sent: 07 December 2004 09:27 To: S & DJ; 'WILLIAM ROBERTSON'; adrian928 at tesco.net; Dk928 at aol.com; jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 Hi Steve No, it was more filming doing power slides etc. at the various corners like Hammerhead & Chicago, in car piece-to-camera takes & 130mph flypasts down the runway etc. rather than timed laps & Jeremy Clarkson did all the driving not The Stig. Great fun though! I must do a proper writeup with pics when I get time & Angus can put it on the site (he offered a while back). JC signed some piucs I took of the car with him & the DVD which is fun to have. Great 928 PR & they all loved the GTS, far more than was perhaps apparent in the actual DVD and he kept commenting on how good the GTS was at speed, "it's just rock solid at speed" and how it was just like a modern supercar except that top 2004 supercars are now 550BHP. I have my own video footage too which is great, including Jeremy taking me round the Top Gear track in my GTS with running comentary & doing powerslides steering with the throttle etc!! Adrian Clark said when he saw my film of the GTS cornering/powersliding said he'd never seen anything like it in a 928! I'll have to take up Kal's offer of putting it on DVD so you can all see (it is helped I think by the externally adjustablre Koni shocks & Eibach springs & adjustable front & rear drop links from 928 Specialists which virtually elinminate roll. It also used no oil with Clarkson driving it hfairly hard for about 2 hours, the factory modified engine to stop GTS oil consumption is working a treat; the car has not missed a beat since & then had a great time at the Nurburgring. And the runway flypasts are amazing & the exhaust (Blue Flame stainless) sounds just GREAT! Far better than I realised as I'm usually IN the car not outside it! Sorry I'm getting carried away, but it was pretty exciting & I'll do a proper writeup when I get round to it. Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "S & DJ" To: "'Simon Watson'" ; "'WILLIAM ROBERTSON'" ; ; ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: RE: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 Simon, Did you get a lap time from your GTS around the track, as part of the recent video shoot for Clarkson, or does someone have the contacts to get the Stig on the job? Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Watson Sent: 06 December 2004 13:17 To: WILLIAM ROBERTSON; adrian928 at tesco.net; Dk928 at aol.com; jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 Yes, he did say to the audience "I know there are a lot of 928 powners here & the 928 is a very good car, it's just a shame I bought a really bad one". But it was good telly! Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM ROBERTSON" To: ; ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 I did hear Clarkson say between shots to the audience that the 928 was a fine car and that he had just been unlucky and said to Richard you've got one have n't you....shame it was n't on camera though..still he does feature Simon's GTS on his DVD. Regards, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 > Certainly was funny... but didn't do much for the reliability reputation > of 928's (or values). > > (If I'm not mistaken, the car is the one that Paul A is breaking for > spares on ebay) > > Regards > Adrian > >> From: Dk928 at aol.com >> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 10:13:40 GMT >> To: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net, 928uk at 928.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [928uk] Clarkson ?1500 928 >> >> Yeah...amusing and entertaining... but such a degrading end to the 928 >> just >> wasn't what I wanted to see. Sad end to a fine motor !! RIP >> >> David >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Tue Dec 7 23:51:36 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (smiffypr at snap.net.nz) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:51:36 GMT Subject: [928uk] Journey planning Message-ID: <20041207234936.5CE55BD1EC@viper.snap.net.nz> Is your journey going to involve cruising in top gear, or lots of clutch work? Clutch release bearings don't usually fail completely or suddenly, but they can. Squeaking is usually a sign of lack of lubrication, once the bearing is worn, it will be more of a rattle/rumble. If I were you, I would remove the bellhousing bottom, and spray some lubricant into the bearing, and see if the noise goes away, maybe also spray some lubricant down the torque-tube in the hope that some gets into the front TT nearing as it might be that which is squeaking. Damn site cheaper than a whole new clutch/torque tube. Smiffy > Hi Guys > It's my day for needing advice... While planning my proposed trip up > through Spain and going through my check list (Oil, extra oil, money, > more money) I have a job I have put off over the last year being an > almost inaudible but squeaky (clutch) bearing which can be heard at > tickover when cold, goes away (almost always) when warm or obviously > when the clutch is depressed. Porsche are obviously keen to do the job > but seem to want to replace most of the car when renewing the two dollar > culprit - so not surprisingly I have been putting off spending the > ???3000 (I met a fellow Scot who told me that in the Gaelic > language they do not have a word quite as urgent as ma??ana) - but > now I want to do 1500 clicks have I got something to worry about? - i.e > is this a gradual failure or should I bargain on excitement? > Colin > '93 GTS Man, AA cover, credit card, taxi account From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Wed Dec 8 06:39:10 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:39:10 +1300 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... References: Message-ID: <002f01c4dcf1$c02d9ba0$5d667cca@computername> Yea, I'd love a crane, how much to ship it to NZ? I think 928 adverts should be encouraged on the list, just so we all get visibility of what people are asking for them. Of course people who are making a living out of selling cars should make that very clear, and be prepared to listen to the abuse they may get for overpricing etc. Smiffy BTW, its a beautiful day in NZ today, hope you're all enjoying the crisp UK weather. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dawe" To: ; ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:39 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... > Yeah,anyone wanna tower crane? Mike (T reg) > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf > Of Dk928 at aol.com > Sent: 07 December 2004 09:43 > To: angusf at mac.com; 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... > > > Yeah Angus... > > My votes no more freeby ads on the list !!! > Pay yer dues Daniel and put it in the right place. ( yer motor was too > expensive anyway) > > David ( anyone in the market for moleskin jeans ? :o) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 8 09:07:01 2004 From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:07:01 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Journey planning Message-ID: <001001c4dd05$47fb8f20$0200a8c0@pc> Thanks Smiffy I have her booked in for a check up next week so will try your suggestion Colin > Is your journey going to involve cruising in top gear, or lots of clutch > work? Clutch release bearings don't usually fail completely or suddenly, > but they can. Squeaking is usually a sign of lack of lubrication, once the > bearing is worn, it will be more of a rattle/rumble. > > If I were you, I would remove the bellhousing bottom, and spray some > lubricant into the bearing, and see if the noise goes away, maybe also > spray some lubricant down the torque-tube in the hope that some gets into > the front TT nearing as it might be that which is squeaking. > > Damn site cheaper than a whole new clutch/torque tube. > > Smiffy From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 8 09:13:29 2004 From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:13:29 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Journey planning Message-ID: <001e01c4dd06$2f52bbf0$0200a8c0@pc> Hi Roy So what you're saying is I can push it off the ferry and walk round to your place...Sounds good ( a bit pessimistic but good) Thanks Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: RCS To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Journey planning If you break down in Spain you will know what ma?ana really means. Can offer you a bed in the Denia Region if my builder get his finger out !!. Best you get it sorted before you leave. Roy Tabb S4 Auto Hi Guys It's my day for needing advice... While planning my proposed trip up through Spain and going through -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 8 09:19:31 2004 From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:19:31 +0100 Subject: Fw: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Message-ID: <002201c4dd07$073b68a0$0200a8c0@pc> Ah yes Smiffy, but your day is almost over - I have blue skies and sunshine and when I've finished this coffee & croissant I'm off out in the Porker - Surprisingly it's a Fiesta here in Spain today, as it was on Monday, and then we have another on.... BR Colin '93 GTS Man > Smiffy > > BTW, its a beautiful day in NZ today, hope you're all enjoying the crisp > UK weather. > From russell at graymatter.co.uk Wed Dec 8 09:21:05 2004 From: russell at graymatter.co.uk (Russell Redwood) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:21:05 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Spotted... Message-ID: Had this morning's drive to the office brightened by the appearance of an S2 - passed me on the A5 dual-carriageway through Milton Keynes a little after 8:00. Seen a similar, if not the same car around the Wymbush area of MK before. Silver (?), reg. (?) - it was filthy from the waistline down - but still looked great! Anyone on the list? Russ From richard at ritech-systems.com Wed Dec 8 09:34:38 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:34:38 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In-Reply-To: <002f01c4dcf1$c02d9ba0$5d667cca@computername> References: <002f01c4dcf1$c02d9ba0$5d667cca@computername> Message-ID: Sod off Its raining, grey and miserable. I was contemplating slitting my wrists. I think that I will now, thanks Smiffy. Rich A >Smiffy > >BTW, its a beautiful day in NZ today, hope you're all enjoying the >crisp UK weather. > From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Wed Dec 8 09:47:36 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:47:36 +1300 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... References: <002f01c4dcf1$c02d9ba0$5d667cca@computername> Message-ID: <007601c4dd0a$f3958390$5d667cca@computername> Rich, and anyone else feeling depressed, just email me off list with the location of your 928 and the keys , and don't forget to write a will leaving all your worldly possessions to me. Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Armstrong" To: "Paul R Smith in NZ" Cc: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... > Sod off > Its raining, grey and miserable. I was contemplating slitting my wrists. I think that I > will now, thanks Smiffy. > > Rich A From cammackmartin at hotmail.com Wed Dec 8 10:05:03 2004 From: cammackmartin at hotmail.com (rich martin) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:05:03 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Apple cart upturned! Message-ID: Mike wrote: I am sure that Daniel was aware that he was flying a kite;he just did not expect it to be shot down so quickly! I think that a bit of 'ribbing and leg pulling' is to be welcomed.We would be a dull lot if we warbled on about oil viscosity and nothing else! However this e-mail communication thing is difficult to master! An apparent innocent comment can land one in deep kakky........it is part of the charm of the medium. So is its' brevity, must go! Mike (T reg) I agree with Mike and would like to say David got a whack across the knuckles which was a little extreme. Most posts tolerate a bit of banter and piss taking for want of a better term. It is an expression of familiarity that is, after all, why we like this and similar mailing lists - we're all nuts together! As for getting upset because someone says a car is overpriced well that's just silly. It's a common reaction I came across when looking for a 928. Owners seemed to think you were accusing them of theft of trying to trick you into something. It's nothing of the sort just the act of trading. It's normal behaviour for God's sake. You wouldn't think twice about doing the same for a house now would you? In fact we all would accept you'd be an idiot if you didn't. People make the mistake when selling these cars of allowing it all to get far too personal for the same reasons they buy them. Understandable but inappropriate. You won't see a car dealer getting upset about this sort of thing, they'd just sell to someone else. So David was just expressing an opinion. Perhaps a bit close to the bone for some but that's all it was. It certainly doesn't require a witch hunt. Rich Martin Manual S4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddevilder at datamonitor.com Wed Dec 8 10:23:41 2004 From: ddevilder at datamonitor.com (Diederik de Vilder) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:23:41 -0000 Subject: [928uk] paint job Message-ID: Tony, I had my bonnet and front wings resprayed by Mr Paul Adamson, The paint shop Tel 01252-845247. He's done an excellent job for a good price. I was quoted approx ?1500 for a total respray. regards Diederik GTS 92 Auto -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Diana and Tony Sent: 07 December 2004 15:51 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] paint job anybody want to recemend a good body shop in the woking area (radius 20 miles) I am looking to get my S2 resprayed in the original GP white. It is not in bad shape, just the ususal stone chips, but I am getting quotes in the ?4500 range. Must be the fact that I am a Porsche owner with a US accent. Please help. _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses through the MessageLabs Virus Control Center. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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In-Reply-To: <002f01c4dcf1$c02d9ba0$5d667cca@computername> Message-ID: Smiffy, am now retired from the crane business; we sold hydraulic self erectors,which could erect to 35 metres,all the way to a world record free-standing tower crane at 150 metres,which I can promise you is bloody tall.The biggest crane could lift 8 tons at 84metres! XXXXXXXHXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXX H H H H H J H H H H H H MMMMMMM U U TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTT They looked like this! Not an ad.! But must not take too much time on non-list matters. Anyone who wishes to chat re. cranes better do it off list. Mike (T reg) From darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 8 10:32:54 2004 From: darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk (Darren Davies) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:32:54 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister Message-ID: <20041208103302.4288C2500EC@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Morning all, I am a relatively new-comer to this site and a recent 928 owner (Black 928s, 1983 Y plate) My question is regarding the rear demister. I am lucky enough to have the original owners manual and in there it says that there are two settings for the rear screen, however, I can only appear to get one working and I don't want to force and switches on my new pride and joy. Any advice in this matter would be much appreciated. Many thanks Darren 83s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Davies To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister Morning all, I am a relatively new-comer to this site and a recent 928 owner (Black 928s, 1983 Y plate) My question is regarding the rear demister. I am lucky enough to have the original owners manual and in there it says that there are two settings for the rear screen, however, I can only appear to get one working and I don't want to force and switches on my new pride and joy. Any advice in this matter would be much appreciated. Many thanks Darren 83s ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 8 11:04:48 2004 From: darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk (Darren Davies) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:04:48 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister In-Reply-To: <001b01c4dd14$457cfcc0$8f389b51@weasel> Message-ID: <20041208110450.3940D25E012@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Thanks for the reply Iain, do I push it I once I've turned it clockwise or before and is it meant to stay in? Darren _____ From: Iain Titterington [mailto:titters at btinternet.com] Sent: 08 December 2004 10:54 To: Darren Davies; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Rear de-mister Hi Darren, You push the switch to get a 15minute 'super' hot blast to clear away any ice or really heavy stuff. This can only be reset before the 15 minutes by turning off the ignition. The normal setting is activated by turning the switch clockwise. On mine (90S4) both these settings heat up the mirrors and supposedly the washer jets - has anyone ever determined whether this happens!!?? Just in case I fancy a nice hot shower in the middle of nowhere someday... Cheers Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Davies To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister Morning all, I am a relatively new-comer to this site and a recent 928 owner (Black 928s, 1983 Y plate) My question is regarding the rear demister. I am lucky enough to have the original owners manual and in there it says that there are two settings for the rear screen, however, I can only appear to get one working and I don't want to force and switches on my new pride and joy. Any advice in this matter would be much appreciated. Many thanks Darren 83s _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Wed Dec 8 11:15:47 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:15:47 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister References: <20041208110450.3940D25E012@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <00bd01c4dd17$454a2590$f7cf2f50@ThinkPad> Push & release, do not turn = super demist. (it will illuminate till it turns itself off after 15-20 minutes) Turn & do not push = normal operation, turn back to swith off. (illuminates when turned on) CB 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Davies To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [928uk] Rear de-mister Thanks for the reply Iain, do I push it I once I've turned it clockwise or before and is it meant to stay in? Darren ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Iain Titterington [mailto:titters at btinternet.com] Sent: 08 December 2004 10:54 To: Darren Davies; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Rear de-mister Hi Darren, You push the switch to get a 15minute 'super' hot blast to clear away any ice or really heavy stuff. This can only be reset before the 15 minutes by turning off the ignition. The normal setting is activated by turning the switch clockwise. On mine (90S4) both these settings heat up the mirrors and supposedly the washer jets - has anyone ever determined whether this happens!!?? Just in case I fancy a nice hot shower in the middle of nowhere someday... Cheers Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Davies To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister Morning all, I am a relatively new-comer to this site and a recent 928 owner (Black 928s, 1983 Y plate) My question is regarding the rear demister. I am lucky enough to have the original owners manual and in there it says that there are two settings for the rear screen, however, I can only appear to get one working and I don't want to force and switches on my new pride and joy. Any advice in this matter would be much appreciated. 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Stuart >From: "Mike Dawe" >Reply-To: mike at dawe.com >To: "Paul R Smith in NZ" , "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> >Subject: RE: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:32:13 -0000 > > Smiffy, am now retired from the crane business; we sold hydraulic self >erectors,which could erect to 35 metres,all the way to a world record >free-standing tower crane at 150 metres,which I can promise you is bloody >tall.The biggest crane could lift >8 tons at 84metres! > > > XXXXXXXHXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXX H > H > H > H > H J > H > H > H > H > H > H > MMMMMMM > U U > >TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT >TTTTTTTTT > > They looked like this! Not an ad.! But must not take too much time on >non-list matters. Anyone who wishes to chat re. cranes better do it off >list. Mike (T reg) > >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 8 12:51:46 2004 From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:51:46 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister Message-ID: <20041208125504.XXF1113.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.65]> Push for setting 1, twist clockwise slightly and push for setting 2. Then watch it like a hawk - if the light stays on when you turn the ignition off, the demister's still on, using LOADSA juice. Turn the ignition back on and give the engine the briefest of tweaks with the key so it turns but doesn't fire. The light should go out. If it doesn't, be prepared for a flat battery when you return to the car. Thanks to Paul T for that one. HTH Nick C. > > From: "Darren Davies" > Date: 2004/12/08 Wed AM 10:32:54 GMT > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister > > Morning all, > > I am a relatively new-comer to this site and a recent 928 owner (Black 928s, > 1983 Y plate) > > My question is regarding the rear demister. I am lucky enough to have the > original owners manual and in there it says that there are two settings for > the rear screen, however, I can only appear to get one working and I don't > want to force and switches on my new pride and joy. > > Any advice in this matter would be much appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Darren > 83s > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk Wed Dec 8 13:08:53 2004 From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:08:53 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: Noticed that Jeremy's Top Gear 928 is still listed as John Constantine's project car. The details will need a suitable update now! Saw the car while John was working on it at Telford, good to see it going out with a lap at least. The owner pic John sent in (www.928.org.uk\~go928\cars\p209.jpg) is rather ironic now given the TV coverage! This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk Wed Dec 8 13:43:29 2004 From: david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk (david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:43:29 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Auto Box Message-ID: I am needing to purchase a new Auto box for my stolen recovered 1988 S4, I have been to Prestige salvage in Leeds and they have a few boxes in stock. My question is are all S4 boxes the same (ratios, shift points) and how do you tell if it has a LSD. Is there a 'best' box My existing Auto box will not move in drive, 1st or 2nd it feels like it goes in. But it will move in reverse, any ideas. David Pickles ________________________________________________________________________ The information in this email (and any attachment) may be for the intended recipient only. If you know you are not the intended recipient, please do not use or disclose the information in any way and please delete this email (and any attachment) from your system. Service of legal documents is not accepted by email ________________________________________________________________________ From Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk Wed Dec 8 16:14:38 2004 From: Gareth.Northwood at eden.gov.uk (Gareth Northwood) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:14:38 +0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: >>> "John Constantine" 08/12/2004 15:18:46 >>> Gareth, Please copy this onto the list for me. Many thanks for copying me onto that email. I removed myself from the list about a month ago as I have started working away from home, and I was just coming home to too many emails! Obviously because of not being on the list I don't know what peoples reactions were to the show. I didn't know what they'd done until watching the show myself. It's a shame as I think in real life if that hose had of gone you'd have stopped, got it fixed and then carried on, as opposed to stopping and then trying to drive to Brighton! Still, it was good to see it drive into the frame in the beginning - I'd never driven it on the road, but it was just about there. I was invited to the show, but family commitments meant I was unable to go. It was a shame I missed it as I believe some other 928'ers were there too. Once again, thanks for the blast in your 928 during the summer - it gave me the kick to get the car as far as I did. Happy driving and merry Christmas to all other 928'ers. Maybe one day. JC This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 8 16:27:40 2004 From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:27:40 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister Message-ID: <20041208162644.CXSB20377.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.63]> Apologies - looks like I got the push / twist bit back to front from memory, but the non-cancelling bit still stands, so there was some useful content after all. Nick C. > > From: Nick Carrington > Date: 2004/12/08 Wed PM 12:51:46 GMT > To: "Darren Davies" , <928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [928uk] Rear de-mister > > Push for setting 1, twist clockwise slightly and push for setting 2. > > Then watch it like a hawk - if the light stays on when you turn the ignition off, the demister's still on, using LOADSA juice. Turn the ignition back on and give the engine the briefest of tweaks with the key so it turns but doesn't fire. The light should go out. If it doesn't, be prepared for a flat battery when you return to the car. > > Thanks to Paul T for that one. > > HTH > > Nick C. > > > > From: "Darren Davies" > > Date: 2004/12/08 Wed AM 10:32:54 GMT > > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister > > > > Morning all, > > > > I am a relatively new-comer to this site and a recent 928 owner (Black 928s, > > 1983 Y plate) > > > > My question is regarding the rear demister. I am lucky enough to have the > > original owners manual and in there it says that there are two settings for > > the rear screen, however, I can only appear to get one working and I don't > > want to force and switches on my new pride and joy. > > > > Any advice in this matter would be much appreciated. > > > > Many thanks > > > > Darren > > 83s > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 928uk mailing list > > 928uk at 928.org.uk > > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > > 928.org.uk > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From colins928 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 8 16:51:47 2004 From: colins928 at yahoo.co.uk (Colin McCraith) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:51:47 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Wheels query Message-ID: <007101c4dd46$359ac080$0200a8c0@pc> Thanks for the info Diedrik - I went to the site to check on your wheels but note you are still down as having an 82 car 'now sold' - How do you like the GTS? - Sounds like you need to update Gareth. I also note that Roger Tyson, a member from the states, has the same car as myself - and the same wheels...maybe the states and Europe differed in this. regards Colin '93 GTS Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Diederik de Vilder To: Colin McCraith Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Wheels query Colin, I think the GTS wheels are slightly different than the standard cup wheels. As it looks, your car has the standard cup wheels, and not the GTS ones. If you look at the 928.org front webpage, you'll notice that the blue GTS' wheels are different than your. If it impacts the performance or road handling, I very much doubt. regards Diederik GTS 92 Auto Colin McCraith HI Guys I have just been invited to the Jarama circuit in Spain by the nice guys on the 928.galeon.com "928 enthusiasts site" who are having a meet there on the 18th of this month - I'm going to try and get along and check out the guys and their machines. One of the guys was asking if my car had the correct wheels for it's year as he said my car had Cup1 wheels and should have cup2 - can someone set me straight. This is the link to my car photo on the site http://www.928.org.uk/%7ego928/cars/p271.jpg Thanks Colin Mallorca '93 GTS ex USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From porschespares at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Dec 8 19:09:04 2004 From: porschespares at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:09:04 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gareth, I fettled the car to get it running after it came from yourself. The reason it was not running correctly was a bad distributor, after a good unit was fitted it ran cleanly but smoked like a garden bonfire(broken ring and gouged bore) tg said they did not care as long as the car ran?. I even offered to substitute a known good car to try and save the 928 some face, but was turned down as the car would make for good telly. After Clarkson had burst a hose driving it down from his home to London and refused any offer of a repair as it would also make good telly with the car steaming etc. Then the stig nailed it round the test track, 6 cylinders and lots of smoke with a gearbox that would have benefited from a couple of litres of atf again offer refused good telly etc,If it blew up. Next came elevenses where as you saw Jeremy wrung the last ounce of life from the car ending up with it in the grass with only a slight glimmer of life left. Now I am contacted to break the car up to recoup their money and also to make the seats and the coffee table from the car. It was a shame to break it as it drove so well before tg got it, but how much would it have cost to put truly right again? New engine, gearbox,tyres repaint plus all the labour....... As a consolation many of the parts are now gracing or about to grace may of the listers cars with the nose wings etc helping 3 other crashed 928s onto the road so it didn't all turn out bad. I also had a nasty e-mail stating why did I let them have such a shitty 928 for the program and also went on to whinge about how it did not do the cars reputation any good at all??? My opinion is that it will make the values of good well maintained car rise due to the people who saw the programme and thought wow that car looks great, I had forgotten all about the 928 and then go in search of a quality car at no less than ?3500 for a similar spec car to the s used on tg. It will also wipe out some of the absolute scrap yard fodder that I go and view that is valued by its numbskull owner at ?3000 plus because it is a Porsche and must be worth at least ?3000 even though it has not moved in years has a moth eaten interior,an irish number plate valued at 20p and a bunch of keys to open /start it that a jailer would be proud of. There you go rant over, If any of you want some office chairs or even a nice v8 coffee table/wine rack let me know. Best regards, Paul Anderson, 928spares. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Gareth Northwood Sent: 08 December 2004 16:15 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details >>> "John Constantine" 08/12/2004 15:18:46 >>> Gareth, Please copy this onto the list for me. Many thanks for copying me onto that email. I removed myself from the list about a month ago as I have started working away from home, and I was just coming home to too many emails! Obviously because of not being on the list I don't know what peoples reactions were to the show. I didn't know what they'd done until watching the show myself. It's a shame as I think in real life if that hose had of gone you'd have stopped, got it fixed and then carried on, as opposed to stopping and then trying to drive to Brighton! Still, it was good to see it drive into the frame in the beginning - I'd never driven it on the road, but it was just about there. I was invited to the show, but family commitments meant I was unable to go. It was a shame I missed it as I believe some other 928'ers were there too. Once again, thanks for the blast in your 928 during the summer - it gave me the kick to get the car as far as I did. Happy driving and merry Christmas to all other 928'ers. Maybe one day. JC This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Wed Dec 8 19:23:40 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:23:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So where do I get my scrap block bead/sand/grit/media blasted to make it all shiny so I can turn it into a ?600 coffee table. Jon -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Paul Anderson Sent: 08 December 2004 19:09 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk; Gareth Northwood Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Gareth, I fettled the car to get it running after it came from yourself. The reason it was not running correctly was a bad distributor, after a good unit was fitted it ran cleanly but smoked like a garden bonfire(broken ring and gouged bore) tg said they did not care as long as the car ran?. I even offered to substitute a known good car to try and save the 928 some face, but was turned down as the car would make for good telly. After Clarkson had burst a hose driving it down from his home to London and refused any offer of a repair as it would also make good telly with the car steaming etc. Then the stig nailed it round the test track, 6 cylinders and lots of smoke with a gearbox that would have benefited from a couple of litres of atf again offer refused good telly etc,If it blew up. Next came elevenses where as you saw Jeremy wrung the last ounce of life from the car ending up with it in the grass with only a slight glimmer of life left. Now I am contacted to break the car up to recoup their money and also to make the seats and the coffee table from the car. It was a shame to break it as it drove so well before tg got it, but how much would it have cost to put truly right again? New engine, gearbox,tyres repaint plus all the labour....... As a consolation many of the parts are now gracing or about to grace may of the listers cars with the nose wings etc helping 3 other crashed 928s onto the road so it didn't all turn out bad. I also had a nasty e-mail stating why did I let them have such a shitty 928 for the program and also went on to whinge about how it did not do the cars reputation any good at all??? My opinion is that it will make the values of good well maintained car rise due to the people who saw the programme and thought wow that car looks great, I had forgotten all about the 928 and then go in search of a quality car at no less than ?3500 for a similar spec car to the s used on tg. It will also wipe out some of the absolute scrap yard fodder that I go and view that is valued by its numbskull owner at ?3000 plus because it is a Porsche and must be worth at least ?3000 even though it has not moved in years has a moth eaten interior,an irish number plate valued at 20p and a bunch of keys to open /start it that a jailer would be proud of. There you go rant over, If any of you want some office chairs or even a nice v8 coffee table/wine rack let me know. Best regards, Paul Anderson, 928spares. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Gareth Northwood Sent: 08 December 2004 16:15 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details >>> "John Constantine" 08/12/2004 15:18:46 >>> Gareth, Please copy this onto the list for me. Many thanks for copying me onto that email. I removed myself from the list about a month ago as I have started working away from home, and I was just coming home to too many emails! Obviously because of not being on the list I don't know what peoples reactions were to the show. I didn't know what they'd done until watching the show myself. It's a shame as I think in real life if that hose had of gone you'd have stopped, got it fixed and then carried on, as opposed to stopping and then trying to drive to Brighton! Still, it was good to see it drive into the frame in the beginning - I'd never driven it on the road, but it was just about there. I was invited to the show, but family commitments meant I was unable to go. It was a shame I missed it as I believe some other 928'ers were there too. Once again, thanks for the blast in your 928 during the summer - it gave me the kick to get the car as far as I did. Happy driving and merry Christmas to all other 928'ers. Maybe one day. JC This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Wed Dec 8 19:56:31 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:56:31 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: Message-ID: <01a301c4dd60$03f5dd20$7fde2f50@ThinkPad> You spray it with wheel paint! All the best Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Holdsworth" To: "Paul Anderson" ; "928uk at 928.Org.Uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details So where do I get my scrap block bead/sand/grit/media blasted to make it all shiny so I can turn it into a ?600 coffee table. Jon -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Paul Anderson Sent: 08 December 2004 19:09 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk; Gareth Northwood Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Gareth, I fettled the car to get it running after it came from yourself. The reason it was not running correctly was a bad distributor, after a good unit was fitted it ran cleanly but smoked like a garden bonfire(broken ring and gouged bore) tg said they did not care as long as the car ran?. I even offered to substitute a known good car to try and save the 928 some face, but was turned down as the car would make for good telly. After Clarkson had burst a hose driving it down from his home to London and refused any offer of a repair as it would also make good telly with the car steaming etc. Then the stig nailed it round the test track, 6 cylinders and lots of smoke with a gearbox that would have benefited from a couple of litres of atf again offer refused good telly etc,If it blew up. Next came elevenses where as you saw Jeremy wrung the last ounce of life from the car ending up with it in the grass with only a slight glimmer of life left. Now I am contacted to break the car up to recoup their money and also to make the seats and the coffee table from the car. It was a shame to break it as it drove so well before tg got it, but how much would it have cost to put truly right again? New engine, gearbox,tyres repaint plus all the labour....... As a consolation many of the parts are now gracing or about to grace may of the listers cars with the nose wings etc helping 3 other crashed 928s onto the road so it didn't all turn out bad. I also had a nasty e-mail stating why did I let them have such a shitty 928 for the program and also went on to whinge about how it did not do the cars reputation any good at all??? My opinion is that it will make the values of good well maintained car rise due to the people who saw the programme and thought wow that car looks great, I had forgotten all about the 928 and then go in search of a quality car at no less than ?3500 for a similar spec car to the s used on tg. It will also wipe out some of the absolute scrap yard fodder that I go and view that is valued by its numbskull owner at ?3000 plus because it is a Porsche and must be worth at least ?3000 even though it has not moved in years has a moth eaten interior,an irish number plate valued at 20p and a bunch of keys to open /start it that a jailer would be proud of. There you go rant over, If any of you want some office chairs or even a nice v8 coffee table/wine rack let me know. Best regards, Paul Anderson, 928spares. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Gareth Northwood Sent: 08 December 2004 16:15 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details >>> "John Constantine" 08/12/2004 15:18:46 >>> Gareth, Please copy this onto the list for me. Many thanks for copying me onto that email. I removed myself from the list about a month ago as I have started working away from home, and I was just coming home to too many emails! Obviously because of not being on the list I don't know what peoples reactions were to the show. I didn't know what they'd done until watching the show myself. It's a shame as I think in real life if that hose had of gone you'd have stopped, got it fixed and then carried on, as opposed to stopping and then trying to drive to Brighton! Still, it was good to see it drive into the frame in the beginning - I'd never driven it on the road, but it was just about there. I was invited to the show, but family commitments meant I was unable to go. It was a shame I missed it as I believe some other 928'ers were there too. Once again, thanks for the blast in your 928 during the summer - it gave me the kick to get the car as far as I did. Happy driving and merry Christmas to all other 928'ers. Maybe one day. JC This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From mab at 928.org.uk Wed Dec 8 20:05:39 2004 From: mab at 928.org.uk (Mark Baker) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:05:39 +0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1102536339.5567.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> It did make good telly so I'd go with Top Gear on that. Also, the point of the piece (aside from a bit of fun) was to prove how good a Porsche you can buy for 1500 quid. It successfully proved that you can't buy a decent 928 for that kind of money - putting in a 928 that in reality would cost more than that would ruin the value for us owners. I'll ask my better half about a new wine rack or coffee table as a potential Christmas present but I can't help but think that she will stab me in the head if it appears in V8 form. Mark From angusf at mac.com Wed Dec 8 20:09:12 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:09:12 +0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07558792-4955-11D9-9734-000393766A32@mac.com> Well said. Well said. Id like a wine rack... But Id like a GTS more.... Angus -- On 8 Dec 2004, at 7:09 pm, Paul Anderson wrote: > > Gareth, > > I fettled the car to get it running after it came from yourself. The > reason > it was not running correctly was a bad distributor, after a good unit > was > fitted it ran cleanly but smoked like a garden bonfire(broken ring and > gouged bore) tg said they did not care as long as the car ran?. I even > offered to substitute a known good car to try and save the 928 some > face, > but was turned down as the car would make for good telly. > > After Clarkson had burst a hose driving it down from his home to > London and > refused any offer of a repair as it would also make good telly with > the car > steaming etc. > > Then the stig nailed it round the test track, 6 cylinders and lots of > smoke > with a gearbox that would have benefited from a couple of litres of atf > again offer refused good telly etc,If it blew up. > > Next came elevenses where as you saw Jeremy wrung the last ounce of > life > from the car ending up with it in the grass with only a slight glimmer > of > life left. > > Now I am contacted to break the car up to recoup their money and also > to > make the seats and the coffee table from the car. > > It was a shame to break it as it drove so well before tg got it, but > how > much would it have cost to put truly right again? New engine, > gearbox,tyres > repaint plus all the labour....... > > As a consolation many of the parts are now gracing or about to grace > may of > the listers cars with the nose wings etc helping 3 other crashed 928s > onto > the road so it didn't all turn out bad. > > I also had a nasty e-mail stating why did I let them have such a > shitty 928 > for the program and also went on to whinge about how it did not do the > cars > reputation any good at all??? > > My opinion is that it will make the values of good well maintained car > rise > due to the people who saw the programme and thought wow that car looks > great, I had forgotten all about the 928 and then go in search of a > quality > car at no less than ?3500 for a similar spec car to the s used on tg. > It > will also wipe out some of the absolute scrap yard fodder that I go > and view > that is valued by its numbskull owner at ?3000 plus because it is a > Porsche > and must be worth at least ?3000 even though it has not moved in years > has a > moth eaten interior,an irish number plate valued at 20p and a bunch of > keys > to open /start it that a jailer would be proud of. > > There you go rant over, > > If any of you want some office chairs or even a nice v8 coffee > table/wine > rack let me know. > > Best regards, > > Paul Anderson, > > 928spares. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On > Behalf Of Gareth Northwood > Sent: 08 December 2004 16:15 > To: 928uk at 928.org.uk > Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details > > >>>> "John Constantine" 08/12/2004 >>>> 15:18:46 >>>> > Gareth, > > Please copy this onto the list for me. > > Many thanks for copying me onto that email. I removed myself from the > list > about a month ago as I have started working away from home, and I was > just > coming home to too many emails! > > Obviously because of not being on the list I don't know what peoples > reactions were to the show. I didn't know what they'd done until > watching > the show myself. It's a shame as I think in real life if that hose had > of > gone you'd have stopped, got it fixed and then carried on, as opposed > to > stopping and then trying to drive to Brighton! Still, it was good to > see it > drive into the frame in the beginning - I'd never driven it on the > road, but > it was just about there. > > I was invited to the show, but family commitments meant I was unable > to go. > It was a shame I missed it as I believe some other 928'ers were there > too. > > Once again, thanks for the blast in your 928 during the summer - it > gave me > the kick to get the car as far as I did. > > Happy driving and merry Christmas to all other 928'ers. > > Maybe one day. > > JC > > > > > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more > information > on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around > the > globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Wed Dec 8 20:14:36 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:14:36 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: Message-ID: <01a901c4dd62$8a83e650$7fde2f50@ThinkPad> Thanks for this Paul. Yes it would have been great to have a good 928 trounce the 944 & 924, but as you say Clarkson & Co. just wanted it to be good telly (which it was!). He did start to say on camera driving it in London how great the 928 was when it came out, but was interrupted when the steam started! He also said between filming slots to the audience "I know there are a lot of 928 owners here, the 928 is a very good car, it's just a pity I bought such a bad one". So there we go, I think you are right Paul, it will merely just show there are a lot of crap cars out there for cheap money, & that applies to any make not just 928s. It was all good fun really, though of course we would all have loved a really glowing report on the 928 instead, using a first class car. Long live the 928 & those who love them! All the best Simon 95 GTS manual PS Clarkson does like them really, he was really VERY complimentary & enthusiastic when he was driving my car for his DVD, far more really than he actually was on camera (though he was pro it on camera too). I'll put what he actually said on my writeup when I get round to it, but it was extremely complimentary about the handling (I have it on camcorder) & about it being rock solid at speed, & the Video production director & JC agreed the car still looks fabulous & up-to-date today & the fact a car designed in the 80s (the 928) was highly ranked amongst the 2004 supercars of today featured on his latrest DVD alongside the GTS a tremendous credit to the 928, it really is. And that is a great credit to all of us who own them & love them. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Anderson" To: "928uk at 928.Org.Uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "Gareth Northwood" Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Gareth, I fettled the car to get it running after it came from yourself. The reason it was not running correctly was a bad distributor, after a good unit was fitted it ran cleanly but smoked like a garden bonfire(broken ring and gouged bore) tg said they did not care as long as the car ran?. I even offered to substitute a known good car to try and save the 928 some face, but was turned down as the car would make for good telly. After Clarkson had burst a hose driving it down from his home to London and refused any offer of a repair as it would also make good telly with the car steaming etc. Then the stig nailed it round the test track, 6 cylinders and lots of smoke with a gearbox that would have benefited from a couple of litres of atf again offer refused good telly etc,If it blew up. Next came elevenses where as you saw Jeremy wrung the last ounce of life from the car ending up with it in the grass with only a slight glimmer of life left. Now I am contacted to break the car up to recoup their money and also to make the seats and the coffee table from the car. It was a shame to break it as it drove so well before tg got it, but how much would it have cost to put truly right again? New engine, gearbox,tyres repaint plus all the labour....... As a consolation many of the parts are now gracing or about to grace may of the listers cars with the nose wings etc helping 3 other crashed 928s onto the road so it didn't all turn out bad. I also had a nasty e-mail stating why did I let them have such a shitty 928 for the program and also went on to whinge about how it did not do the cars reputation any good at all??? My opinion is that it will make the values of good well maintained car rise due to the people who saw the programme and thought wow that car looks great, I had forgotten all about the 928 and then go in search of a quality car at no less than ?3500 for a similar spec car to the s used on tg. It will also wipe out some of the absolute scrap yard fodder that I go and view that is valued by its numbskull owner at ?3000 plus because it is a Porsche and must be worth at least ?3000 even though it has not moved in years has a moth eaten interior,an irish number plate valued at 20p and a bunch of keys to open /start it that a jailer would be proud of. There you go rant over, If any of you want some office chairs or even a nice v8 coffee table/wine rack let me know. Best regards, Paul Anderson, 928spares. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Gareth Northwood Sent: 08 December 2004 16:15 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details >>> "John Constantine" 08/12/2004 15:18:46 >>> Gareth, Please copy this onto the list for me. Many thanks for copying me onto that email. I removed myself from the list about a month ago as I have started working away from home, and I was just coming home to too many emails! Obviously because of not being on the list I don't know what peoples reactions were to the show. I didn't know what they'd done until watching the show myself. It's a shame as I think in real life if that hose had of gone you'd have stopped, got it fixed and then carried on, as opposed to stopping and then trying to drive to Brighton! Still, it was good to see it drive into the frame in the beginning - I'd never driven it on the road, but it was just about there. I was invited to the show, but family commitments meant I was unable to go. It was a shame I missed it as I believe some other 928'ers were there too. Once again, thanks for the blast in your 928 during the summer - it gave me the kick to get the car as far as I did. Happy driving and merry Christmas to all other 928'ers. Maybe one day. JC This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From charles.vanasma at tesco.net Wed Dec 8 20:18:09 2004 From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (Charles Van Asma) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:18:09 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041208201753.LJRX27146.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@chaspc> Paul Very well put? I'd like a V12 table please!!!!! More space for the wine bottles. Keep up the good work. Charles S2 86 -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Anderson Sent: 08 December 2004 19:09 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk; Gareth Northwood Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Gareth, I fettled the car to get it running after it came from yourself. The reason it was not running correctly was a bad distributor, after a good unit was fitted it ran cleanly but smoked like a garden bonfire(broken ring and gouged bore) tg said they did not care as long as the car ran?. I even offered to substitute a known good car to try and save the 928 some face, but was turned down as the car would make for good telly. After Clarkson had burst a hose driving it down from his home to London and refused any offer of a repair as it would also make good telly with the car steaming etc. Then the stig nailed it round the test track, 6 cylinders and lots of smoke with a gearbox that would have benefited from a couple of litres of atf again offer refused good telly etc,If it blew up. Next came elevenses where as you saw Jeremy wrung the last ounce of life from the car ending up with it in the grass with only a slight glimmer of life left. Now I am contacted to break the car up to recoup their money and also to make the seats and the coffee table from the car. It was a shame to break it as it drove so well before tg got it, but how much would it have cost to put truly right again? New engine, gearbox,tyres repaint plus all the labour....... As a consolation many of the parts are now gracing or about to grace may of the listers cars with the nose wings etc helping 3 other crashed 928s onto the road so it didn't all turn out bad. I also had a nasty e-mail stating why did I let them have such a shitty 928 for the program and also went on to whinge about how it did not do the cars reputation any good at all??? My opinion is that it will make the values of good well maintained car rise due to the people who saw the programme and thought wow that car looks great, I had forgotten all about the 928 and then go in search of a quality car at no less than ?3500 for a similar spec car to the s used on tg. It will also wipe out some of the absolute scrap yard fodder that I go and view that is valued by its numbskull owner at ?3000 plus because it is a Porsche and must be worth at least ?3000 even though it has not moved in years has a moth eaten interior,an irish number plate valued at 20p and a bunch of keys to open /start it that a jailer would be proud of. There you go rant over, If any of you want some office chairs or even a nice v8 coffee table/wine rack let me know. Best regards, Paul Anderson, 928spares. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Gareth Northwood Sent: 08 December 2004 16:15 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details >>> "John Constantine" 08/12/2004 15:18:46 >>> Gareth, Please copy this onto the list for me. Many thanks for copying me onto that email. I removed myself from the list about a month ago as I have started working away from home, and I was just coming home to too many emails! Obviously because of not being on the list I don't know what peoples reactions were to the show. I didn't know what they'd done until watching the show myself. It's a shame as I think in real life if that hose had of gone you'd have stopped, got it fixed and then carried on, as opposed to stopping and then trying to drive to Brighton! Still, it was good to see it drive into the frame in the beginning - I'd never driven it on the road, but it was just about there. I was invited to the show, but family commitments meant I was unable to go. It was a shame I missed it as I believe some other 928'ers were there too. Once again, thanks for the blast in your 928 during the summer - it gave me the kick to get the car as far as I did. Happy driving and merry Christmas to all other 928'ers. Maybe one day. 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Version: 6.0.803 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 30/11/04 _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Wed Dec 8 21:14:23 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:14:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: <1102536339.5567.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <004701c4dd6a$e4f43ce0$d7834c51@BRIERLEY> Now for my two pence worth, and at the risk of being slated...... I don't think the Porsche feature on Top Gear made good TV for any car enthusiast. I know a number of 928 owners that were very disappointed with the item. Basically it seemed to me they were simply taking the piss out of the cars, the owners and the club (PCGB). And I think I can genuinely say I would have the same opinion no matter which marque had been featured. I wouldn't like to see the same fete for any car whether they be Ferraris, TVRs, Mercedes, BMW or Porsche. I think the feature basically showed Clarkson to be the yob he really is. The way he spoke to the lady in the audience, in effect calling her an 'old bag' was disgraceful. I guess we live in an age were this kind of loutish behaviour makes for good viewing figures? Andrew From Dk928 at aol.com Wed Dec 8 22:08:31 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:08:31 EST Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: <8e.1c00dece.2ee8d55f@aol.com> Andrew I agree totally.... it was a sad and degrading end for any marque ! It just wasn't what I wanted to see. I wonder why he chose Porsche to take the piss out of instead of BMW or Merc ? David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree, with the reservation that it's understood to be privilidge, not a right -- and that if gets out of control, it can be stopped. > Of course people who are making a living out of selling cars should > make that very clear, Agree, again, with the proviso that "(T)" appear as the first characters in the subject line. This should make it very clear. > and be prepared to listen to the abuse they may get for overpricing etc. I'd prefer that occur (mostly) off-list. > Smiffy > > BTW, its a beautiful day in NZ today, hope you're all enjoying > the crisp UK weather. It's pissing down all over the east coast of Austrlaia. Best rain we have had in decades (and, did we need it!). Some parts of the Gold Coast had 9" the night before last. -- Phil I base most of my fashion taste on what doesn't itch. -- Gilda Radner, (1946-1989), U.S. comedienne From Dk928 at aol.com Wed Dec 8 22:55:42 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:55:42 EST Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/12/04 22:45:39 GMT Standard Time, citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au writes: > I think 928 adverts should be encouraged on the list, just so we > all get visibility of what people are asking for them. I agree, with the reservation that it's understood to be privilidge, not a right -- and that if gets out of control, it can be stopped. Hi All Hang about a minute.....there's a place for all ads on the 928 site.... no one's gonna complain if thats used for selling cars and kit...why not put the ads where they belong and leave the list posting clean for constructive and meaningful discussion on oil viscosity and generally taking the piss !! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Wed Dec 8 23:04:57 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:04:57 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Place the ad on the website and if it's a one off email it to the list - fine by me - Traders have no exemption from being told there expectations may not be realised. If don't want to read it there is always the delete key. I don't have an issue with being pointed in the direction of something new on the website - Being perhaps old fashioned I have this perception that websites are like books - once printed they are cast in stone, not true. I was pleasantly surprised having looked at the 928 uk website to day for the first time in ages. Perhaps Angus could organise an automated email to the list thats informs us the website has been updated. Regards Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com Sent: 08 December 2004 22:56 To: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au; smiffypr at snap.net.nz Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In a message dated 08/12/04 22:45:39 GMT Standard Time, citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au writes: > I think 928 adverts should be encouraged on the list, just so we > all get visibility of what people are asking for them. I agree, with the reservation that it's understood to be privilidge, not a right -- and that if gets out of control, it can be stopped. Hi All Hang about a minute.....there's a place for all ads on the 928 site.... no one's gonna complain if thats used for selling cars and kit...why not put the ads where they belong and leave the list posting clean for constructive and meaningful discussion on oil viscosity and generally taking the piss !! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Wed Dec 8 23:18:22 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:18:22 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: <004701c4dd6a$e4f43ce0$d7834c51@BRIERLEY> Message-ID: Not slating but, I think it would seem to have been an excellent advert for the 924. Less so for '44 and '28! If the day were to dawn where journalists reverted back to being journalists as opposed to novelists or ad writers, the 928 may have had a fairer showing, as they would have investigated why there was a coolant leak, why JC was stupid enough to fill the tank too full........ But that wouldn't have made good TV. I don't know if anyone remembers the article they did on the car vs train to Edinburgh and return where JC "bought" the Volvo 940? for a pound. Surely it was not his intent to promote the Volvo, and hence it was not his intent cast the 928 in a bad light. It was sad to see the 928 abused but at leat it has gone some good homes. Jon Black SE -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 08 December 2004 21:14 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk Subject: Re: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Now for my two pence worth, and at the risk of being slated...... I don't think the Porsche feature on Top Gear made good TV for any car enthusiast. I know a number of 928 owners that were very disappointed with the item. Basically it seemed to me they were simply taking the piss out of the cars, the owners and the club (PCGB). And I think I can genuinely say I would have the same opinion no matter which marque had been featured. I wouldn't like to see the same fete for any car whether they be Ferraris, TVRs, Mercedes, BMW or Porsche. I think the feature basically showed Clarkson to be the yob he really is. The way he spoke to the lady in the audience, in effect calling her an 'old bag' was disgraceful. I guess we live in an age were this kind of loutish behaviour makes for good viewing figures? Andrew _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From chris at porsche-1.net Thu Dec 9 00:37:51 2004 From: chris at porsche-1.net (Chris Kenward) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:37:51 +0000 Subject: [928uk] SPOTTED on M40 TONIGHT! Message-ID: <20041209003751.6008E27ED89@mail.porsche-1.net> Hi there! If you were driving down the M40 this evening in a Dark Blue GTS labelled M40 GTS then you were SPOTTED! We passed you in a mini convoy of Boxster 550 and 944 Cabriolet. "Wiggled" my indicators at ya! Regards Chris '92 GTS Manual '04 Boxster 550 From mike at dawe.com Thu Dec 9 01:53:35 2004 From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:53:35 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: <004701c4dd6a$e4f43ce0$d7834c51@BRIERLEY> Message-ID: All of Clarkson's 'wit'centres on being rude to minorities.....basically an attention seeking bully. I still enjoy some of the programmes,but feel that they are becoming a little contrived recently. The BBC are trying to give us good TV which is too patchy,and I would rather see a more serious programme on motoring. In other words,I think he is selling us short on motoring matters. With a dodgy government should our major BBC/tv mouthpiece be antagonising them? Just some thoughts from the bearded,pensioned,greying Welsh minority......Mike(T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 08 December 2004 21:14 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk Subject: Re: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Now for my two pence worth, and at the risk of being slated...... I don't think the Porsche feature on Top Gear made good TV for any car enthusiast. I know a number of 928 owners that were very disappointed with the item. Basically it seemed to me they were simply taking the piss out of the cars, the owners and the club (PCGB). And I think I can genuinely say I would have the same opinion no matter which marque had been featured. I wouldn't like to see the same fete for any car whether they be Ferraris, TVRs, Mercedes, BMW or Porsche. I think the feature basically showed Clarkson to be the yob he really is. The way he spoke to the lady in the audience, in effect calling her an 'old bag' was disgraceful. I guess we live in an age were this kind of loutish behaviour makes for good viewing figures? Andrew _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Thu Dec 9 02:53:10 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:53:10 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... In-Reply-To: <200412082230.iB8MUuMh016585@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> References: <200412082230.iB8MUuMh016585@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: <1102560790.21122.210404940@webmail.messagingengine.com> Firstly my apologies to the UK listers but i can't resist repling in a GB manner...... Yeah Phil i reckon it's the first time most aussie lasses have ever seen 9" any night of the year. boom boom. Joe On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:30:56 +1000 (EST), "Phil Chadwick" said: Some parts > of the Gold Coast had 9" the night before last. > > > -- > Phil From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm Thu Dec 9 02:53:29 2004 From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:53:29 +0100 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Message-ID: <1102560809.21230.210404940@webmail.messagingengine.com> Firstly my apologies to the UK listers but i can't resist repling in a GB manner...... Yeah Phil i reckon it's the first time most aussie lasses have ever seen 9" any night of the year. boom boom. Joe ;) On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:30:56 +1000 (EST), "Phil Chadwick" said: Some parts > of the Gold Coast had 9" the night before last. > > > -- > Phil From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Thu Dec 9 06:24:40 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:24:40 +1300 Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister References: <20041208125504.XXF1113.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.65]> Message-ID: <000a01c4ddb7$c9aa4770$25667cca@computername> No pushing required for the second (low-power) setting, just a 1/8 turn clockwise. (Unless you've got a dickey switch?) Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Carrington" To: "Darren Davies" ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] Rear de-mister > Push for setting 1, twist clockwise slightly and push for setting 2. > > Then watch it like a hawk - if the light stays on when you turn the ignition off, the > demister's still on, using LOADSA juice. Turn the ignition back on and give the engine > the briefest of tweaks with the key so it turns but doesn't fire. The light should go > out. If it doesn't, be prepared for a flat battery when you return to the car. > > Thanks to Paul T for that one. > > HTH > > Nick C. >> >> From: "Darren Davies" >> Date: 2004/12/08 Wed AM 10:32:54 GMT >> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> >> Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister >> >> Morning all, >> >> I am a relatively new-comer to this site and a recent 928 owner (Black 928s, >> 1983 Y plate) >> >> My question is regarding the rear demister. I am lucky enough to have the >> original owners manual and in there it says that there are two settings for >> the rear screen, however, I can only appear to get one working and I don't >> want to force and switches on my new pride and joy. >> >> Any advice in this matter would be much appreciated. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Darren >> 83s >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 928uk mailing list >> 928uk at 928.org.uk >> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >> 928.org.uk >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Thu Dec 9 06:31:17 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:31:17 +1300 Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... References: Message-ID: <001d01c4ddb8$b0eb0610$25667cca@computername> That's why I said "we all get visibility". For example, I glance (at least) at all the emails, but rarely spend time looking for for-sale ads. Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... > Hi All > > Hang about a minute.....there's a place for all ads on the 928 site.... no > one's gonna complain if thats used for selling cars and kit...why not put the > ads where they belong and leave the list posting clean for constructive and > meaningful discussion on oil viscosity and generally taking the piss !! > > Dave From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Thu Dec 9 06:35:03 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:35:03 +1300 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: Message-ID: <002701c4ddb9$37ee9f50$25667cca@computername> That's one thing they should be doing, complaining about driver taxation (fuel tax, road tax, speed tax) specifically. Smiffy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dawe" To: "Andrew Brierley" ; "928uk at 928.Org.Uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details > With a dodgy government should our major BBC/tv mouthpiece be > antagonising them? From smiffypr at snap.net.nz Thu Dec 9 06:40:10 2004 From: smiffypr at snap.net.nz (Paul R Smith in NZ) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:40:10 +1300 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_=5B928uk=5D_Clarkson_=A31500_928?= References: <003701c4dbc8$1c26bf20$47ef2952@steve8olbxz78h> <003301c4dc3e$eecef480$6cd92f50@ThinkPad> Message-ID: <003b01c4ddb9$ef332050$25667cca@computername> I set the vid for the world service edition of Top Gear (in NZ) and all I got was something about a new 911 and a Jag/Holden/Chrysler V8 comparison. I guess I'll have to keep watching. Smiffy From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 9 09:26:35 2004 From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 9:26:35 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear de-mister Message-ID: <20041209093015.FMPS2279.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.95]> Yeah I know - all wrong. Sorry :D So to recap: Turn clockwise - low power Push - high power Crank ignition briefly - reset dodgy relay timer. Nick C. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From Dk928 at aol.com Thu Dec 9 09:32:31 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:32:31 EST Subject: [928uk] Adverts on the mail list... Message-ID: <7e.5e794225.2ee975af@aol.com> Yeah... nice one Joe...but its pretty average for us Brits !! David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andrew 928S -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Mike Dawe Sent: 09 December 2004 01:54 To: Andrew Brierley; 928uk at 928.Org.Uk Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details All of Clarkson's 'wit'centres on being rude to minorities.....basically an attention seeking bully. I still enjoy some of the programmes,but feel that they are becoming a little contrived recently. The BBC are trying to give us good TV which is too patchy,and I would rather see a more serious programme on motoring. In other words,I think he is selling us short on motoring matters. With a dodgy government should our major BBC/tv mouthpiece be antagonising them? Just some thoughts from the bearded,pensioned,greying Welsh minority......Mike(T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 08 December 2004 21:14 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk Subject: Re: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Now for my two pence worth, and at the risk of being slated...... I don't think the Porsche feature on Top Gear made good TV for any car enthusiast. I know a number of 928 owners that were very disappointed with the item. Basically it seemed to me they were simply taking the piss out of the cars, the owners and the club (PCGB). And I think I can genuinely say I would have the same opinion no matter which marque had been featured. I wouldn't like to see the same fete for any car whether they be Ferraris, TVRs, Mercedes, BMW or Porsche. I think the feature basically showed Clarkson to be the yob he really is. The way he spoke to the lady in the audience, in effect calling her an 'old bag' was disgraceful. I guess we live in an age were this kind of loutish behaviour makes for good viewing figures? Andrew _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Thu Dec 9 09:51:25 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:51:25 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson driving Simon's GTS report Message-ID: <004501c4ddd4$a63dcdd0$04d82f50@ThinkPad> Clarkson Hot Metal Regds Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry De Weerdt" To: ; <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] Clarkson driving Simon's GTS report > Hi guys > I minthe uk right Now and I m off to buy this top gear dvd tomorrow, can > anyone tell me whar it's called? > > Thanks > Jerry > Belgium > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Simon Watson" > Sent: 7/12/04 10:32:46 > To: "928uk at 928.org.uk"<928uk at 928.org.uk> > Subject: [928uk] Clarkson driving Simon's GTS report > > > Simon, > > Did you get a lap time from your GTS around the track, as part of the > > recent > > video shoot for Clarkson, or does someone have the contacts to get > the > > Stig > > on the job? > > > > Regards > > Steve > > Hi Steve > No, it was more filming doing power slides etc. at the various corners > like > Hammerhead & Chicago, in car piece-to-camera takes & 130mph flypasts > down > the runway etc. rather than timed laps & Jeremy Clarkson did all the > driving > not The Stig. Great fun though! I must do a proper writeup with pics > when > I get time & Angus can put it on the site (he offered a while back). > JC > signed some piucs I took of the car with him & the DVD which is fun to > have. > Great 928 PR & they all loved the GTS, far more than was perhaps > apparent in > the actual DVD and he kept commenting on how good the GTS was at speed, > > > [Message truncated. Tap Edit->Mark for Download to get remaining portion.] > From Dk928 at aol.com Thu Dec 9 10:21:02 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:21:02 EST Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: In a message dated 09/12/04 09:47:49 GMT Standard Time, andrew at leblancsmith.com writes: I think the programme did no harm at all. To the man in the street the name Porsche means an expensive motor Thats true Andrew but the price point comparison was what turned it all into a piss taking farce. Don't you think it would have been kinder to have gone for say a ?3k budget on 3 similar marques and let a half decent 928 perform as we all know it can... that would be worth watching.... and show what ?3k in your piggy bank could get you ! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 9 12:05:01 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:05:01 -0000 Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: Message-ID: <003601c4dde7$569362a0$57bb87d9@n7m9k7> I agree Dave. I also agree with Jon that the 924 was the best car of the three. I was particularly disappointed with the way Richard Hammond spent he money on his car as previously I had thought he was a car enthusiast. Basically the three of them that present the show are louts with little or no talent. They just had luck breaks and now have got above themselves. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: andrew at leblancsmith.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In a message dated 09/12/04 09:47:49 GMT Standard Time, andrew at leblancsmith.com writes: I think the programme did no harm at all. To the man in the street the name Porsche means an expensive motor Thats true Andrew but the price point comparison was what turned it all into a piss taking farce. Don't you think it would have been kinder to have gone for say a ?3k budget on 3 similar marques and let a half decent 928 perform as we all know it can... that would be worth watching.... and show what ?3k in your piggy bank could get you ! Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dk928 at aol.com Thu Dec 9 12:20:38 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:20:38 EST Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: <1cc.2d69c5e0.2ee99d16@aol.com> In a message dated 09/12/04 12:08:49 GMT Standard Time, mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk writes: I also agree with Jon that the 924 was the best car of the three. Hi Andrew That's because the ?1.5k budget was dissproportionally biased in favour of the 924...a "better" car for the money! I could'nt possibly comment on the rest of your post :o) Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at leblancsmith.com Thu Dec 9 12:30:27 2004 From: andrew at leblancsmith.com (Andrew Le Blanc Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:30:27 -0000 Subject: FW: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: Andrew, You really have got your knife into these guys!! Surely the basis of any TV programme is to attract an audience and entertain. I think that they succede despite possibly upsetting a very small percentage of their overall audience. Quite a number on this site seem to agree!! Andrew 82S2 -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 09 December 2004 12:05 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details I agree Dave. I also agree with Jon that the 924 was the best car of the three. I was particularly disappointed with the way Richard Hammond spent he money on his car as previously I had thought he was a car enthusiast. Basically the three of them that present the show are louts with little or no talent. They just had luck breaks and now have got above themselves. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: andrew at leblancsmith.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In a message dated 09/12/04 09:47:49 GMT Standard Time, andrew at leblancsmith.com writes: I think the programme did no harm at all. To the man in the street the name Porsche means an expensive motor Thats true Andrew but the price point comparison was what turned it all into a piss taking farce. Don't you think it would have been kinder to have gone for say a ?3k budget on 3 similar marques and let a half decent 928 perform as we all know it can... that would be worth watching.... and show what ?3k in your piggy bank could get you ! 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I was particularly disappointed with the way Richard Hammond spent he money on his car as previously I had thought he was a car enthusiast. Basically the three of them that present the show are louts with little or no talent. They just had luck breaks and now have got above themselves. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com To: andrew at leblancsmith.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In a message dated 09/12/04 09:47:49 GMT Standard Time, andrew at leblancsmith.com writes: I think the programme did no harm at all. To the man in the street the name Porsche means an expensive motor Thats true Andrew but the price point comparison was what turned it all into a piss taking farce. Don't you think it would have been kinder to have gone for say a ?3k budget on 3 similar marques and let a half decent 928 perform as we all know it can... that would be worth watching.... and show what ?3k in your piggy bank could get you ! Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk Scanned by MessageLabs for EDC This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of Eden District Council . For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 9 12:36:09 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:36:09 -0000 Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: Message-ID: <000b01c4ddeb$abb5fbe0$f1b087d9@n7m9k7> Agreed Gareth. That's the crux if the matter. We have to accept that Top Gear is not for car enthusiasts, it is an entertainment programme. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Northwood" To: Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: Re: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Top Gear - striving to entertain the masses Porsche 928 - driving to entertain the few They were never going to meet were they? From Dk928 at aol.com Thu Dec 9 12:58:18 2004 From: Dk928 at aol.com (Dk928 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:58:18 EST Subject: FW: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: <1c1.212c711d.2ee9a5ea@aol.com> In a message dated 09/12/04 12:36:36 GMT Standard Time, andrew at leblancsmith.com writes: You really have got your knife into these guys!! Surely the basis of any TV programme is to attract an audience and entertain. Hi Guys Lets let this one drop ! I tried to change the thread last night.... Hi All Has anyone on the list fitted a MURF928 Supercharger Kit to their motor ? Or any experience of the kit ? No I dont fancy spending ?4k on one but thought it might be good mileage till we all find something else to beef about. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Dec 9 12:59:40 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:59:40 -0000 Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008DE@ukex04.uk.nds.com> Andrew/Dave - You've got the wrong end of the stick. It wasn't a serious car review. Top Gear isn't like that any more. Fifth Gear is slightly better (but still "trendied up" a little), but you have to go to specialist TV channels nowadays to get "straight" car review documentaries. You have to go back to the 70's/80's Top Gear (Andrew Woollard as presenter??) to get that serious & technical programme format back. Personally I watch all types of motoring programme. There is a time (like after a hard day at the office, followed by a testing time with the kids) for the non-serious/non-technical format just for entertainment's sake. A lot of people in my office commented on the TG Porsche feature, and knowing I am a 928 owner, none of them 'took the mickey'! They appreciated that 928's don't come as cheap as that. In fact they all said the feature was one of the best (from entertainment perspective) TG articles they'd ever seen. Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Brierley [mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk] I agree Dave. I also agree with Jon that the 924 was the best car of the three. I was particularly disappointed with the way Richard Hammond spent he money on his car as previously I had thought he was a car enthusiast. Basically the three of them that present the show are louts with little or no talent. They just had luck breaks and now have got above themselves. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Dk928 at aol.com In a message dated 09/12/04 09:47:49 GMT Standard Time, andrew at leblancsmith.com writes: I think the programme did no harm at all. To the man in the street the name Porsche means an expensive motor Thats true Andrew but the price point comparison was what turned it all into a piss taking farce. Don't you think it would have been kinder to have gone for say a ?3k budget on 3 similar marques and let a half decent 928 perform as we all know it can... that would be worth watching.... and show what ?3k in your piggy bank could get you ! Dave ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 9 13:03:03 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:03:03 -0000 Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: Message-ID: <002f01c4ddef$704e04e0$bdc187d9@n7m9k7> Yes Andrew but they can take it they are paid enough for behaving like louts :-) Just telling it like it is. I supposed I am disappointed that a programme tucked away on BBC2 is not really a car enthusiasts programme. As you say it is only about entertainment. Anyone who throws cars of cliffs and shoots them (as in Clarkson's DVD) obviously doesn't give a stuff about cars. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Le Blanc Smith To: 928 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: FW: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Andrew, You really have got your knife into these guys!! Surely the basis of any TV programme is to attract an audience and entertain. I think that they succede despite possibly upsetting a very small percentage of their overall audience. Quite a number on this site seem to agree!! Andrew 82S2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RogerB at demon-tweeks.co.uk Thu Dec 9 13:05:32 2004 From: RogerB at demon-tweeks.co.uk (Roger Bracewell) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:05:32 -0000 Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: <003601c4dde7$569362a0$57bb87d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <014d01c4ddef$c3bd45a0$03fa000a@dt.local> RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Go on then I'll have my ten penneth............ "Basically the three of them that present the show are louts with little or no talent" Well that's a bit harsh.........I'm no fan of any of them, but they all have a job to do working as a presenter on a very popular and long standing car entertainment show. They have to present a show which has to be humorous and witty with interesting articles, projects, and "out of the norm" features on cars because that's what gives them good viewing figures. "They just had luck breaks and now have got above themselves." I guess this means lucky breaks, and I sure they would all tell you that they've all worked hard on their careers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If they had drove the 924, 944, and a 928 from London to Brighton without any drama's and raced round a lap of their track in a 120BHP 2.0, a 163BHP 2.5, and a 310BHP 4.7litre with obvious results etc.....how boring would that of been ? Most people would understand buying 3 old cars on a 1500 pound budget from a very reputable German sports car manufacturer with the letter "P" would have some problems and we all know that the cheaper 924 would fare best as they are not an expensive car in comparison to the 928. How much flak do 924 owners get as the poor mans Porsche and most people (especially the ones who haven't driven them) adore the air cooled rear engined cars as opposed to the water cooled fronts. Judging by the amount of feedback everyone is throwing into this Televised 928 article it has just shows you it has had the desired effect ! Everyone who saw the programme has had an imprint put on their minds either way good or bad to be still talking about it. On Monday morning here at Demon Tweeks I had Wheelbarrow load of criticism from all the lads that had seen the programme and we have over 100 of them working here (all road and race enthusiast). My only solution was to bite my lip somewhat and not rise to their banter. How many intelligent people think that 1500 quid would get you a good Porsche 928 ? Exactly ! but yes it still doesn't stop them taking the piss and I understand that this is annoying as the car was not seen to Jo public how we as owners would want them to see it. Regards Roger The Racer 1986 S2 ________________________________________________________________________ This message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at demon-tweeks.co.uk Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of DT (Automotives) Limited. This communication is for information only and does not form part of any contract or agreement. 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URL: From alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 9 13:25:21 2004 From: alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk (alan vanemden) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:25:21 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Message-ID: <005d01c4ddf2$89a4ce80$e2cb883e@testbed> Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. 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Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. 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URL: From kal at funkychimp.com Thu Dec 9 13:41:06 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:41:06 -0000 Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c4ddf4$cf52b800$1001a8c0@FunkyLaptop> You think that's bad, the top gear magazine is becoming more like an edition of loaded or maxim, they are desperately trying to appeal to a younger audience and feel that rudness and vulgarity will achieve it and are using a famous lanky mop headed wanker to achieve it. (that was me in TG mode by the way) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Dawe Sent: 09 December 2004 01:54 To: Andrew Brierley; 928uk at 928.Org.Uk Subject: RE: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details All of Clarkson's 'wit'centres on being rude to minorities.....basically an attention seeking bully. I still enjoy some of the programmes,but feel that they are becoming a little contrived recently. The BBC are trying to give us good TV which is too patchy,and I would rather see a more serious programme on motoring. In other words,I think he is selling us short on motoring matters. With a dodgy government should our major BBC/tv mouthpiece be antagonising them? Just some thoughts from the bearded,pensioned,greying Welsh minority......Mike(T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 08 December 2004 21:14 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk Subject: Re: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Now for my two pence worth, and at the risk of being slated...... I don't think the Porsche feature on Top Gear made good TV for any car enthusiast. I know a number of 928 owners that were very disappointed with the item. Basically it seemed to me they were simply taking the piss out of the cars, the owners and the club (PCGB). And I think I can genuinely say I would have the same opinion no matter which marque had been featured. I wouldn't like to see the same fete for any car whether they be Ferraris, TVRs, Mercedes, BMW or Porsche. I think the feature basically showed Clarkson to be the yob he really is. The way he spoke to the lady in the audience, in effect calling her an 'old bag' was disgraceful. I guess we live in an age were this kind of loutish behaviour makes for good viewing figures? Andrew _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk From kal at funkychimp.com Thu Dec 9 13:44:25 2004 From: kal at funkychimp.com (Kal) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:44:25 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Web Site Design In-Reply-To: <42.5e21c95c.2ee9a80a@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401c4ddf5$47b24d10$1001a8c0@FunkyLaptop> yes and why? -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of Dk928 at aol.com Sent: 09 December 2004 13:07 To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: [928uk] Web Site Design Hi All Does anyone on the list design web sites? David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Beocentre at aol.com Thu Dec 9 14:17:38 2004 From: Beocentre at aol.com (Beocentre at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:17:38 EST Subject: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Message-ID: <126.51fcf9a8.2ee9b882@aol.com> I really enjoyed the article on TG. Lets be thankful that they didnt play conkers with the cars or fire them at a large target off a cliff. I was quite chuffed to see all three cars on the motorway lined up - even though the 928 was a bag of nails, didnt it look great...! - the front view of a 928 no matter how old or knackered still looks wonderful. It was a shame that it ended up as a 'non-runner' but it all goes to show that ?1500 does not get you into a supercar. At least it will stop all the pikeys from rushing out there to buy one... I guess its one 928 less on the road - so all our cars values have risen as its ever so slightly rarer now!!! 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On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. Alan Van Emden will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being passed on. _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk Thu Dec 9 14:31:34 2004 From: darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk (Darren Davies) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:31:34 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041209143138.0480E25F304@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Dear Clive I too am a recent 928 owner and have been looking around at stereo solutions because I am having the same problem. As I am not a fan of all the flashing light displays that adorn the vast majority of new stereo head units I was very pleased to come across a pioneer unit that has a retro look to it as well as good reviews for features and sound qualities. Check out http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=2381 for more info. Mine is on order. Good luck Darren 83s _____ From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 14:20 To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception I realise that this is not much help but since misery loves company I thought I would chip in. I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. 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URL: From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 9 14:36:20 2004 From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:36:20 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum Message-ID: <20041209143604.LQGZ2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.69]> There isn't much of anything 928 oriented in PCGB full stop, Clive. All front-engined Porsches fare badly at the hands of PCGB, and 928s worst of all .... you'll get used to it :) Welcome, btw. Nick C. > On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum > especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. > Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not > that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. > > Thanks > > Clive > '88 S4 Auto > > > > "Andy Brown" > Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk > > > 09/12/2004 13:38 > > > To > "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > cc > > Subject > Re: [928uk] Radio Reception > > > > > > > Hello Alan, > I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my > reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also > be down > to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? > > Andy > 88 S4 Auto > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alan vanemden > To: 928 Forum > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM > Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception > > Hi Guy's and Girls > > Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. > > I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. > > Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is > it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the > radio. > > Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to > put faces to the contributors to this forum. > > Thanks > > Alan Silver 86 S2 > This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving > the Alan Van Emden's network. 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URL: From andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Thu Dec 9 14:38:10 2004 From: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk (Andy Brown) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:38:10 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception References: Message-ID: <014301c4ddfc$b47b8ef0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Hi Clive, Welcome. I have the original manual for the Blaupunkt Toronto but not the actual stereo. I have a Sony system with CD stacker in the boot. This came with the car so I didn't wire it in, but as there are no other aerials emanating from the vehicle at any other point can only assume that it has been wired onto the screen aerial. So from the problems you and Alan are having I am taking the huge leap in assuming that it will either be down to the 16year old stereo technology or a broken wire \ dry solder joint somewhere. You would need to pull it out and examine the birds nest in behind. Unless anyone else knows better! Cheers, Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk ; 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk ; alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception I realise that this is not much help but since misery loves company I thought I would chip in. I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. 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URL: From clusted at rockwellcollins.com Thu Dec 9 14:55:23 2004 From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:55:23 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception In-Reply-To: <014301c4ddfc$b47b8ef0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Message-ID: Thanks Andy, at the mention of wires and solder joints I think I may have to call in some back-up ! At the moment the car is in very good condition and doesn't deserve to have me crawling around with tools in my hand. I have the innate skill of being able to make a five minute job last the entire weekend. Cheers Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" 09/12/2004 14:38 To cc <928uk at 928.org.uk>, <928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk>, Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Clive, Welcome. I have the original manual for the Blaupunkt Toronto but not the actual stereo. I have a Sony system with CD stacker in the boot. This came with the car so I didn't wire it in, but as there are no other aerials emanating from the vehicle at any other point can only assume that it has been wired onto the screen aerial. So from the problems you and Alan are having I am taking the huge leap in assuming that it will either be down to the 16year old stereo technology or a broken wire \ dry solder joint somewhere. You would need to pull it out and examine the birds nest in behind. Unless anyone else knows better! Cheers, Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk ; 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk ; alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception I realise that this is not much help but since misery loves company I thought I would chip in. I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. Alan Van Emden will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being passed on. _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clusted at rockwellcollins.com Thu Dec 9 14:58:01 2004 From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:58:01 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum In-Reply-To: <20041209143604.LQGZ2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.69]> Message-ID: Thanks Nick, would that be why I felt as welcome as a fart in a space suit on Tuesday evening at the PCGB regional meeting ? Clive '88 S4 Auto Nick Carrington Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 14:36 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject RE: [928uk] 928 forum There isn't much of anything 928 oriented in PCGB full stop, Clive. All front-engined Porsches fare badly at the hands of PCGB, and 928s worst of all .... you'll get used to it :) Welcome, btw. Nick C. > On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum > especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. > Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not > that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. > > Thanks > > Clive > '88 S4 Auto > > > > "Andy Brown" > Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk > > > 09/12/2004 13:38 > > > To > "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > cc > > Subject > Re: [928uk] Radio Reception > > > > > > > Hello Alan, > I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my > reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also > be down > to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? > > Andy > 88 S4 Auto > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alan vanemden > To: 928 Forum > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM > Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception > > Hi Guy's and Girls > > Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. > > I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. > > Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is > it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the > radio. > > Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to > put faces to the contributors to this forum. > > Thanks > > Alan Silver 86 S2 > This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving > the Alan Van Emden's network. Alan Van Emden will not be liable for direct, > special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the > contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being > passed on. > > > _____ > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk_______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ Dear Clive I too am a recent 928 owner and have been looking around at stereo solutions because I am having the same problem. As I am not a fan of all the flashing light displays that adorn the vast majority of new stereo head units I was very pleased to come across a pioneer unit that has a retro look to it as well as good reviews for features and sound qualities. Check out http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=2381 for more info. Mine is on order. Good luck Darren 83s From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 14:20 To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception I realise that this is not much help but since misery loves company I thought I would chip in. I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. Alan Van Emden will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being passed on. _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at deredvers.com Thu Dec 9 14:22:50 2004 From: tim at deredvers.com (tim at deredvers.com) Date: 9 Dec 2004 14:22:50 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear seats on GTS - is there more room for pax? Message-ID: <20041209142250.7837.qmail@ns66.webmasters.com> Hi all! Am doing a few test drives of some 928s - a mixture of S4's and one GTS. However, the first car I drove (the GTS) seemed to have more leg room in the back - is this right, or is my imagination running away with me? (Probaly the first of a few questions....) Rgds, Tim From darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk Thu Dec 9 15:26:58 2004 From: darren_davies at tiscali.co.uk (Darren Davies) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:26:58 -0000 Subject: [928uk] (no subject) Message-ID: <20041209152700.68FAC25E708@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Hi, does anyone know where you can buy a decent set of floor mats for a 928? Thanks Darren 83s auto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusf at mac.com Thu Dec 9 15:44:29 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:44:29 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum In-Reply-To: <20041209143604.LQGZ2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.69]> References: <20041209143604.LQGZ2076.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.69]> Message-ID: <3644D8F0-49F9-11D9-BF6D-000393766A32@mac.com> >> >> Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? >> Not >> that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. They did ask me to do it, but I declined as a) this place is enough to manage and b) there would inevitably be a club factor :-) If you wanted to do one give David Hemmings a call as Im sure he would like to have one. Angus From paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Dec 9 15:45:40 2004 From: paulthorn at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Thorn) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:45:40 -0000 Subject: [928uk] (no subject) References: <20041209152700.68FAC25E708@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <006201c4de06$22dbb290$439c2052@user328b210d3f> Try Porscheshop in Birmingham 0121 585 6088 or Southbound 01264 810080 Cheers Paul 86S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Davies To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [928uk] (no subject) Hi, does anyone know where you can buy a decent set of floor mats for a 928? Thanks Darren 83s auto ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusf at mac.com Thu Dec 9 15:45:37 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:45:37 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception In-Reply-To: <014301c4ddfc$b47b8ef0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> References: <014301c4ddfc$b47b8ef0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Message-ID: <5F186D92-49F9-11D9-BF6D-000393766A32@mac.com> On 9 Dec 2004, at 2:38 pm, Andy Brown wrote: > Hi Clive, > Welcome. > I have the original manual for the Blaupunkt Toronto but not the > actual stereo. I have a Sony system with CD stacker in the boot. This > came with the car so > Ive got a spare toronto if anyone wants it (its not much of a radio cassette) Angus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 676 bytes Desc: not available URL: From SWalker at ndsuk.com Thu Dec 9 15:47:13 2004 From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:47:13 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Message-ID: <83FE03E36EB73E4FA17429F5D06130AE1008E2@ukex04.uk.nds.com> I have a tangential solution for you... buy an RMB (exhaust rear muffler bypass) & listen to your V8 when driving. I hardly ever use the stereo now! The rear box on the S4 really mutes the 928 "sound" & I discovered a whole new driving experience after unleashing the sound with an RMB. You don't need a super-wide-bore/loud one, just a 'regular' one. Scott '91 GT -----Original Message----- From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com [mailto:clusted at rockwellcollins.com] I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto ======================================================= Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email to postmaster at ndsuk.com and destroy the original message. From graham.manning at tso.co.uk Thu Dec 9 15:46:13 2004 From: graham.manning at tso.co.uk (Manning, Graham) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:46:13 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum Message-ID: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411F8@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! - Graham -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:58 PM To: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Thanks Nick, would that be why I felt as welcome as a fart in a space suit on Tuesday evening at the PCGB regional meeting ? Clive '88 S4 Auto Nick Carrington Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 14:36 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject RE: [928uk] 928 forum There isn't much of anything 928 oriented in PCGB full stop, Clive. All front-engined Porsches fare badly at the hands of PCGB, and 928s worst of all .... you'll get used to it :) Welcome, btw. Nick C. > On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum > especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. > Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not > that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. > > Thanks > > Clive > '88 S4 Auto > > > > "Andy Brown" > Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk > > > 09/12/2004 13:38 > > > To > "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > cc > > Subject > Re: [928uk] Radio Reception > > > > > > > Hello Alan, > I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my > reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also > be down > to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? > > Andy > 88 S4 Auto > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alan vanemden > To: 928 Forum > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM > Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception > > Hi Guy's and Girls > > Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. > > I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. > > Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is > it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the > radio. > > Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to > put faces to the contributors to this forum. > > Thanks > > Alan Silver 86 S2 > This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving > the Alan Van Emden's network. Alan Van Emden will not be liable for direct, > special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the > contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being > passed on. > > > _____ > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk_______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ Dear Clive I too am a recent 928 owner and have been looking around at stereo solutions because I am having the same problem. As I am not a fan of all the flashing light displays that adorn the vast majority of new stereo head units I was very pleased to come across a pioneer unit that has a retro look to it as well as good reviews for features and sound qualities. Check out http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=2381 for more info. Mine is on order. Good luck Darren 83s _____ From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 14:20 To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception I realise that this is not much help but since misery loves company I thought I would chip in. I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. 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URL: From Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com Thu Dec 9 16:05:48 2004 From: Phil.Shotton at irisfinancial.com (Phil Shotton) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:05:48 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Clarkson =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A31500_928?= In-Reply-To: <003b01c4ddb9$ef332050$25667cca@computername> References: <003701c4dbc8$1c26bf20$47ef2952@steve8olbxz78h> <003301c4dc3e$eecef480$6cd92f50@ThinkPad> <003b01c4ddb9$ef332050$25667cca@computername> Message-ID: <41B877DC.1030008@irisfinancial.com> That edition was about 3 weeks ago in the UK Smiffy; keep waiting - it'll come along soon! Cheers Phil Paul R Smith in NZ wrote: > I set the vid for the world service edition of Top Gear (in NZ) and > all I got was something about a new 911 and a Jag/Holden/Chrysler V8 > comparison. I guess I'll have to keep watching. > > Smiffy > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From richard at ritech-systems.com Thu Dec 9 16:35:38 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:35:38 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Web Site Design In-Reply-To: <42.5e21c95c.2ee9a80a@aol.com> References: <42.5e21c95c.2ee9a80a@aol.com> Message-ID: David I designed my own site, have a look at www.ritech-systems.com Richard In message <42.5e21c95c.2ee9a80a at aol.com>, Dk928 at aol.com writes >Hi All >Does anyone on the list design web sites? >David >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk -- RITECH Systems Ltd Tel: 01380 818094 Fax: 01380 818099 Mob: 07702 541137 From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 9 16:47:14 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:47:14 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum References: <67BFCC65B8CD8C4B8767BD7E31F7C61505C411F8@W2EXC015018.theso.co.uk> Message-ID: <008b01c4de0e$c0b348e0$41ae87d9@n7m9k7> I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Manning, Graham To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! - Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusf at mac.com Thu Dec 9 16:53:29 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:53:29 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Web Site Design In-Reply-To: References: <42.5e21c95c.2ee9a80a@aol.com> Message-ID: Um, I did 928.org.uk but Im no designer. A mate of mine is however, http://www.rickcarter.co.uk/ He's done some lovely sites and his emphasis is on really good design for a very reasonable cost. Do tell him I sent you... No connection just think hes one of the good guys. Angus -- On 9 Dec 2004, at 4:35 pm, Richard Armstrong wrote: > David > I designed my own site, > have a look at www.ritech-systems.com > > Richard > > > In message <42.5e21c95c.2ee9a80a at aol.com>, Dk928 at aol.com writes >> Hi All >> Does anyone on the list design web sites? >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> 928uk mailing list >> 928uk at 928.org.uk >> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >> 928.org.uk > > -- > RITECH Systems Ltd > > Tel: 01380 818094 > Fax: 01380 818099 > Mob: 07702 541137 > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > From angusf at 928.org.uk Thu Dec 9 17:42:21 2004 From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:42:21 +0000 Subject: [928uk] GT Purely Porsche out today - vote for the 928 GTS! Message-ID: No great 928 content but the 928 GTS is equal third place in the vote for the greatest Porsche ever. Winning is the 73 RS, 2nd is the 917, and third are the 928 GTS and the 911 GT3. Thats good company to be in! You can vote at greatestporsche at unity-media.com Lets beat the 73 RS! Wouldnt that be fun! Angus From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Thu Dec 9 17:51:47 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:51:47 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT Purely Porsche out today - vote for the 928 GTS! References: Message-ID: <010101c4de17$c1419010$56d72f50@ThinkPad> Well that's just great! Well done the Porsche 928 GTS! Simon 95 GTS manual (now with even bigger grin!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angus Fox" To: "928uk at 928.Org.Uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:42 PM Subject: [928uk] GT Purely Porsche out today - vote for the 928 GTS! > No great 928 content but the 928 GTS is equal third place in the vote > for the greatest Porsche ever. > > Winning is the 73 RS, 2nd is the 917, and third are the 928 GTS and the > 911 GT3. Thats good company to be in! > > You can vote at greatestporsche at unity-media.com Lets beat the 73 RS! > > Wouldnt that be fun! > > Angus > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk From ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com Thu Dec 9 18:05:51 2004 From: ken.trueman4 at btinternet.com (Ken Trueman) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:05:51 -0000 Subject: [928uk] GT Purely Porsche out today - vote for the 928 GTS! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is that the manual or the auto GTS that's third? cheers Ken '93 GTS -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Angus Fox Sent: 09 December 2004 17:42 To: 928uk at 928.Org.Uk Subject: [928uk] GT Purely Porsche out today - vote for the 928 GTS! No great 928 content but the 928 GTS is equal third place in the vote for the greatest Porsche ever. Winning is the 73 RS, 2nd is the 917, and third are the 928 GTS and the 911 GT3. Thats good company to be in! You can vote at greatestporsche at unity-media.com Lets beat the 73 RS! Wouldnt that be fun! Angus _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 07/12/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 07/12/2004 From TIMCOAGF at aol.com Thu Dec 9 18:17:14 2004 From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:17:14 EST Subject: [928uk] GT Purely Porsche out today - vote for the 928 GTS! Message-ID: <7b.3a1dd6d0.2ee9f0aa@aol.com> _greatestporsche at unity-media.com_ (mailto:greatestporsche at unity-media.com) Can anyone get the link to work? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angusf at 928.org.uk Thu Dec 9 18:42:11 2004 From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:42:11 +0000 Subject: [928uk] GT Purely Porsche out today - vote for the 928 GTS! In-Reply-To: <7b.3a1dd6d0.2ee9f0aa@aol.com> References: <7b.3a1dd6d0.2ee9f0aa@aol.com> Message-ID: <0995F629-4A12-11D9-BF6D-000393766A32@928.org.uk> Its an email link. You can also find it on the internet at www.gtpurelyporsche.com apparently Angus -- On 9 Dec 2004, at 6:17 pm, TIMCOAGF at aol.com wrote: > > greatestporsche at unity-media.com > Can anyone get the link to work? Tim > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 718 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clusted at rockwellcollins.com Thu Dec 9 18:46:26 2004 From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com (clusted at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:46:26 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum In-Reply-To: <008b01c4de0e$c0b348e0$41ae87d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Manning, Graham To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! - Graham_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Dec 9 19:03:52 2004 From: dj011b5865 at blueyonder.co.uk (S & DJ) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:03:52 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c4de21$d7cadda0$47ef2952@steve8olbxz78h> Clive, Don't take it personally. In my experience I know a number of ex PCGB members who have left for TIPEC, not just with the front engined cars, who found they were not made so welcome at the club. I do agree with Andrew it always makes a difference to get involved and get more from the club experience. Originally being the only 928 owner in the Scottish TIPEC region I was concerned that I would get limited benefit from the group, but have found their enthusiasm to do things and for all types of Porsche invaluable. Luckily for Andrew the likes of Adrian with his knowledge is a bonus for PCGB membership. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 18:46 To: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Manning, Graham To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! - Graham_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 9 19:25:57 2004 From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:25:57 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c4de24$e969a3e0$6500a8c0@T9100> I didn't realise either Angus or Adrian were involved with PCGB, or that Adrian was involved in the North West region - must mean a lot of travel for him. Maybe different regions work different ways. I know one of our South West members went to a local PCGB meet and was frozen out by the assembled chaps in their blazers and ties. He didn't bother going again. Experiences like that tend to colour one's attitude, and have deterred me from joining PCGB, although I've toyed with the idea once or twice. I've even posted on both lists asking people's opinions, and the responses have generally been on the cooler side of impartial. I wouldn't want to put others off, maybe they will have a totally different experience. ? Interestingly, I joined MGOC almost immediately after buying an MG, and have found it very useful, even though I don't go to meets etc. ? I will listen with interest to any other opinions that come up. One day I may be convinced to give it a try. ? Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 18:46 To: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. ? Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? ? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. ? Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. ? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:graham.manning at tso.co.uk"Manning, Graham To: HYPERLINK "mailto:clusted at rockwellcollins.com"clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; HYPERLINK "mailto:nick.carrington at ntlworld.com"nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: HYPERLINK "mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! ? - Graham_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net Thu Dec 9 19:40:01 2004 From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:40:01 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception In-Reply-To: <014301c4ddfc$b47b8ef0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Message-ID: Chances are that if you have an after market stereo there are two issues. The in screen antenna has an RF amp which is located up above the gas pedal. Power to this is normally taken from the auxilliary output from the Head unit so it gets switched on and off by the head unit. The thin black wire that carries the power is (on my SE at least) wrapped around the coax aerial wire. Normally restoring power to the rf amp restores decent radio reception. The other issue is that the head unit needs to matched to the impedance of the antenna/amp configuration. There is normally a small screw to adjust the head unit impedance which may have an antenna symobl next to it somewhere on the rear or sides of the head unit. Remove head unit, switch on, tune to a weak AM (Medium wave) station then tweak the screw one way or 'tother for best reception. If you have the original head unit the impedance of that may well have drifted over 15 years so this applies to both old and new. One other thing I have noted (due to my experience with three 928 windscreens) is that the antenna that goes up the RH side along then down the middle is better than the one that goes up the RH side and along to the LH side. Regards Jon Black SE PS Sony "face off" Head units seem to use a lot of current when left with the face on and very little with it off. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andy Brown Sent: 09 December 2004 14:38 To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Clive, Welcome. I have the original manual for the Blaupunkt Toronto but not the actual stereo. I have a Sony system with CD stacker in the boot. This came with the car so I didn't wire it in, but as there are no other aerials emanating from the vehicle at any other point can only assume that it has been wired onto the screen aerial. So from the problems you and Alan are having I am taking the huge leap in assuming that it will either be down to the 16year old stereo technology or a broken wire \ dry solder joint somewhere. You would need to pull it out and examine the birds nest in behind. Unless anyone else knows better! Cheers, Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk ; 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk ; alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception I realise that this is not much help but since misery loves company I thought I would chip in. I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. 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URL: From alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 9 20:01:42 2004 From: alan at asve.fsnet.co.uk (alan vanemden) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:01:42 -0000 Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception References: <005d01c4ddf2$89a4ce80$e2cb883e@testbed> <011501c4ddf4$6ae68ef0$19a8a8c0@TRITECH.local> Message-ID: <009b01c4de29$e805b4d0$7ee3883e@testbed> Andy I've got a Kenwood unit in the car, so it looks like I've some more digging to do in the birds nest behind. Well at least that will keep me away from the mother-in-law on Christmas day!! Alan Silver 86S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Brown To: alan vanemden ; 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. 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Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Carrington To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum I didn't realise either Angus or Adrian were involved with PCGB, or that Adrian was involved in the North West region - must mean a lot of travel for him. Maybe different regions work different ways. I know one of our South West members went to a local PCGB meet and was frozen out by the assembled chaps in their blazers and ties. He didn't bother going again. Experiences like that tend to colour one's attitude, and have deterred me from joining PCGB, although I've toyed with the idea once or twice. I've even posted on both lists asking people's opinions, and the responses have generally been on the cooler side of impartial. I wouldn't want to put others off, maybe they will have a totally different experience. Interestingly, I joined MGOC almost immediately after buying an MG, and have found it very useful, even though I don't go to meets etc. I will listen with interest to any other opinions that come up. One day I may be convinced to give it a try. Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 18:46 To: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Manning, Graham To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! - Graham_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marton at befree.ch Thu Dec 9 20:44:34 2004 From: marton at befree.ch (marton) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:44:34 +0100 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum References: Message-ID: <031301c4de2f$e48d2120$0500000a@simone> exactly, I believe a 928 forum in the PCGB was once suggested but not agreed - this is why this 928 site and other similar ones are alive and successful. Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: clusted at rockwellcollins.com To: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk ; 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Thanks Nick, would that be why I felt as welcome as a fart in a space suit on Tuesday evening at the PCGB regional meeting ? Clive '88 S4 Auto Nick Carrington Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 14:36 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject RE: [928uk] 928 forum There isn't much of anything 928 oriented in PCGB full stop, Clive. All front-engined Porsches fare badly at the hands of PCGB, and 928s worst of all .... you'll get used to it :) Welcome, btw. Nick C. > On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum > especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. > Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not > that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. > > Thanks > > Clive > '88 S4 Auto > > > > "Andy Brown" > Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk > > > 09/12/2004 13:38 > > > To > "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> > > cc > > Subject > Re: [928uk] Radio Reception > > > > > > > Hello Alan, > I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my > reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also > be down > to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? > > Andy > 88 S4 Auto > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alan vanemden > To: 928 Forum > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM > Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception > > Hi Guy's and Girls > > Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. > > I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. > > Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is > it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the > radio. > > Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to > put faces to the contributors to this forum. > > Thanks > > Alan Silver 86 S2 > This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving > the Alan Van Emden's network. Alan Van Emden will not be liable for direct, > special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the > contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being > passed on. > > > _____ > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk_______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ Dear Clive I too am a recent 928 owner and have been looking around at stereo solutions because I am having the same problem. As I am not a fan of all the flashing light displays that adorn the vast majority of new stereo head units I was very pleased to come across a pioneer unit that has a retro look to it as well as good reviews for features and sound qualities. Check out http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=2381 for more info. Mine is on order. Good luck Darren 83s ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 14:20 To: andy-brown at tritech.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] Radio Reception I realise that this is not much help but since misery loves company I thought I would chip in. I am a new (and delighted) 928 owner having only picked the car up last week and I am having the same problems with my radio which is the original Blaupunkt Toronto and I assumed that it would be because of the screen aerial. It was a major irritation to and from the Merry Miller last Saturday. I am considering buying a new stereo as at least it will have a CD player but any suggested solutions would be gratefully received. On another note I have to say I am very impressed with the 928.org.uk forum especially with the information it contains and the support of the members. Can anyone tell me why there is not a 928 forum on the PCGB website ? Not that it particularly needs one as this forum exists. Thanks Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andy Brown" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 13:38 To "alan vanemden" , "928 Forum" <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] Radio Reception Hello Alan, I have a screen areial in my 88 S4 (at least I believe it is), and my reception is fine. So I wouldn't rush to blame it on the aerial could also be down to the stereo itself. Is it the original stereo? Andy 88 S4 Auto ----- Original Message ----- From: alan vanemden To: 928 Forum Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: [928uk] Radio Reception Hi Guy's and Girls Getting away from Mr Clarkson my radio reception is not up to much. I have a screen aerial and don't want to drill holes in my 928. Does the car have fitted an aerial booster, if so where is it located or is it easy to fit as I'm assuming that my problem is due to a low signal to the radio. Also a big thanks to Andrew for arranging last weeks meeting, it was good to put faces to the contributors to this forum. Thanks Alan Silver 86 S2 This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the Alan Van Emden's network. 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References: <20041209142250.7837.qmail@ns66.webmasters.com> Message-ID: <032e01c4de30$1199b8e0$0500000a@simone> depends on the front seats, they both move forwards and backwards so providing more or less leg room in the back Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: [928uk] Rear seats on GTS - is there more room for pax? > Hi all! > > Am doing a few test drives of some 928s - a mixture of S4's and one GTS. However, the first car I drove (the GTS) seemed to have more leg room in the back - is this right, or is my imagination running away with me? > > (Probaly the first of a few questions....) > > Rgds, > Tim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 08.12.04 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 08.12.04 From angusf at mac.com Thu Dec 9 21:02:16 2004 From: angusf at mac.com (Angus) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:02:16 +0000 Subject: [928uk] Rear seats on GTS - is there more room for pax? In-Reply-To: <032e01c4de30$1199b8e0$0500000a@simone> References: <20041209142250.7837.qmail@ns66.webmasters.com> <032e01c4de30$1199b8e0$0500000a@simone> Message-ID: <9B418032-4A25-11D9-A227-000393766A32@mac.com> On 9 Dec 2004, at 8:45 pm, marton wrote: > depends on the front seats, they both move forwards and backwards so > providing more or less leg room in the back > > Marton > Seriously I think Marton's right - you could order extra long runners with the extended reach steering wheel I believe...... this would mean fully back there would be less leg room in the back Angus From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 9 22:06:14 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:06:14 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum References: <003101c4de24$e969a3e0$6500a8c0@T9100> <003401c4de2a$0916d320$7e78893e@BRIERLEY> <015201c4de33$1cae4d60$425330d5@default> Message-ID: <002501c4de3b$4e35c540$929e4c51@BRIERLEY> Glad you enjoyed Harewood Paul. It's usually good event, unfortunately I missed it this year for the first time in 5 years because of my nephews 21st birthday party. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Bird To: Andrew Brierley Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Speaking as a relative newcomer I joined PCGB and the 928 register to gain access to like minded owners/enthusiasts. I attended Harewood House PCGB meeting back in the summer and there were about a dozen 928's in attendance. There were no anoraks/blazers and all the owners I spoke to were friendly and happy to chat 928. Like any other club PCGB is what you make of it- Turn up in your 928 and explain to the rear engined mob that the engine is supposed to be at the front! Paul (PSB) 86 S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Hi Nick No Adrian isn't involved with PCGB in the North West region, he deals with technical problems on a national level and writes excellent technical articles every month in Porsche Post. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Carrington To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum I didn't realise either Angus or Adrian were involved with PCGB, or that Adrian was involved in the North West region - must mean a lot of travel for him. Maybe different regions work different ways. I know one of our South West members went to a local PCGB meet and was frozen out by the assembled chaps in their blazers and ties. He didn't bother going again. Experiences like that tend to colour one's attitude, and have deterred me from joining PCGB, although I've toyed with the idea once or twice. I've even posted on both lists asking people's opinions, and the responses have generally been on the cooler side of impartial. I wouldn't want to put others off, maybe they will have a totally different experience. Interestingly, I joined MGOC almost immediately after buying an MG, and have found it very useful, even though I don't go to meets etc. I will listen with interest to any other opinions that come up. One day I may be convinced to give it a try. Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 18:46 To: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Manning, Graham To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! - Graham_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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References: <20041209142250.7837.qmail@ns66.webmasters.com><032e01c4de30$1199b8e0$0500000a@simone> <9B418032-4A25-11D9-A227-000393766A32@mac.com> Message-ID: <001101c4de40$9010a660$0500000a@simone> Yes, some of them also have alternative bolt holes so the runners can be moved Marton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angus" To: "928uk at 928.Org.Uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] Rear seats on GTS - is there more room for pax? > > On 9 Dec 2004, at 8:45 pm, marton wrote: > > > depends on the front seats, they both move forwards and backwards so > > providing more or less leg room in the back > > > > Marton > > > > Seriously I think Marton's right - you could order extra long runners > with the extended reach steering wheel I believe...... > > this would mean fully back there would be less leg room in the back > > Angus > > _______________________________________________ > 928uk mailing list > 928uk at 928.org.uk > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk > 928.org.uk > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 08.12.04 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 08.12.04 From nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 9 23:34:30 2004 From: nick.carrington at ntlworld.com (Nick Carrington) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:34:30 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum In-Reply-To: <002501c4de3b$4e35c540$929e4c51@BRIERLEY> Message-ID: <002001c4de47$a210a2a0$6500a8c0@T9100> So what IS this 928 register? I've heard mention of it a few times - is it part of PCGB, or some independent thing? ? Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 09 December 2004 22:06 To: Paul Bird Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Glad you enjoyed Harewood Paul. It's usually good event, unfortunately I missed it this year for the first time in 5 years because of my nephews 21st birthday party. ? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:paul at psbservices.co.uk"Paul Bird To: HYPERLINK "mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk"Andrew Brierley Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Speaking as a relative newcomer I joined PCGB and the 928 register to gain access to like minded owners/enthusiasts. I attended Harewood House PCGB meeting back in the summer and there were about a dozen 928's in attendance. There were no anoraks/blazers ?and all the owners I spoke to were friendly and happy to chat 928. Like any other club PCGB is what you make of it- Turn up in your 928 and explain to the rear engined mob that the engine is supposed to be at the front! ? Paul (PSB) 86 S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk"Andrew Brierley To: HYPERLINK "mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Hi Nick ? No Adrian isn't involved with PCGB in the North West region, he deals with technical problems on a national level and writes excellent technical articles every month in Porsche Post. ? Andrew ? ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:nick.carrington at ntlworld.com"Nick Carrington To: HYPERLINK "mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum I didn't realise either Angus or Adrian were involved with PCGB, or that Adrian was involved in the North West region - must mean a lot of travel for him. Maybe different regions work different ways. I know one of our South West members went to a local PCGB meet and was frozen out by the assembled chaps in their blazers and ties. He didn't bother going again. Experiences like that tend to colour one's attitude, and have deterred me from joining PCGB, although I've toyed with the idea once or twice. I've even posted on both lists asking people's opinions, and the responses have generally been on the cooler side of impartial. I wouldn't want to put others off, maybe they will have a totally different experience. ? Interestingly, I joined MGOC almost immediately after buying an MG, and have found it very useful, even though I don't go to meets etc. ? I will listen with interest to any other opinions that come up. One day I may be convinced to give it a try. ? Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 18:46 To: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. ? Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? ? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. ? Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. ? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:graham.manning at tso.co.uk"Manning, Graham To: HYPERLINK "mailto:clusted at rockwellcollins.com"clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; HYPERLINK "mailto:nick.carrington at ntlworld.com"nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: HYPERLINK "mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk"928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! ? - Graham_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk _____ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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You are the genuine article,not a poseur. Walk tall amongst the beetles and don't let the bugs get you down! Mike (T reg) -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Chris Clark Sent: 09 December 2004 23:53 To: 928 List Subject: [928uk] 928 Forum and PCGB Hi Guys, Just a few comments on the recent postings re lack of 928 interest in PCGB. My experience has been completely different. In the North West Region of PCGB there is an enthusiastic group of 928 owners, with good attendance at both club nights and weekend events through the Summer. Indeed, the 928 Register is very active within PCGB. The Club is not totally 911 oriented, but bear in mind that of the 17,000 members, around 450 have 928's. So with a majority of the members owning 911's of some variety, it is not surprising that there is extensive coverage of that model in Porsche Post. But the last few months has seen many 928 articles published, from the Beaulieu review to Adrian Clark's excellent technical submissions. Regards, Chris Clark (S2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fullworx at btconnect.com Fri Dec 10 05:46:32 2004 From: fullworx at btconnect.com (Fullworx Int. Ltd.) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:46:32 -0000 Subject: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details References: <002f01c4ddef$704e04e0$bdc187d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <01f001c4de7b$9a6572e0$0b268b51@logic> some clues as to how base TG has become, "elevenzzzz"... Tesco car park talk on a friday night for spotty 17 year olds driving old xr3's and novas... ...not being a big Cluckson fan, i still found the programme "entertaining", the other important fact not to be overlooked was "can you by a decent Porsche (928) for ?1500.... with an MOT...? or even just road worthy... no, James May summed it up well " i've seen more expensive ones for sale for spares..." over all i think the 928 model came over as being a good car, "seriously advanced when it was launched..." ".. a classic " i heard mentioned too, it was just the one he bought was knackered. we all know if you bought one for that price and expect to leap into it and use every day, you'd need your head examined ! my conclusion, telly for the masses... wanna buy a Porsche for 1500 notes ?... get 924 or a tiered 944 want a timeless classic ?... buy a 928... for more than ?1500... just joining in the fun...;^) Rich '87 Strosek ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Yes Andrew but they can take it they are paid enough for behaving like louts :-) Just telling it like it is. I supposed I am disappointed that a programme tucked away on BBC2 is not really a car enthusiasts programme. As you say it is only about entertainment. Anyone who throws cars of cliffs and shoots them (as in Clarkson's DVD) obviously doesn't give a stuff about cars. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Le Blanc Smith To: 928 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: FW: FW: [928uk] RE: Clarkson's 928 - owner details Andrew, You really have got your knife into these guys!! Surely the basis of any TV programme is to attract an audience and entertain. I think that they succede despite possibly upsetting a very small percentage of their overall audience. Quite a number on this site seem to agree!! Andrew 82S2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Fri Dec 10 10:16:16 2004 From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:16:16 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum References: <002001c4de47$a210a2a0$6500a8c0@T9100> Message-ID: <008a01c4dea2$79a5e540$458a87d9@n7m9k7> Hi Nick PCGB is split into regions and registers. Events can be for regions, registers, national or even international. Often registers and regions join together for events. The 928 register is headed by David Hemmings who has been running it for about 10 years. He has catalogued a lot of important information over that time. Adrian Clark is the register technical adviser, Angus maintains the computers record of all the cars (over 600 logged by owner, model, chassis no., engine no., and reg. no.) and I help to co-ordinate events. As part of PCGB membership you receive a monthly publication called Porsche Post. There is always some 928 content by way of David Hemmings editorial and Adrian's technical tips. People do complain about lack of 928 content in Porsche Post, but that could easily be rectified if members provide articles. When people send me 928 articles I always make sure they are published. I give the editor a hard time if he doesn't. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Carrington To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum So what IS this 928 register? I've heard mention of it a few times - is it part of PCGB, or some independent thing? Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 09 December 2004 22:06 To: Paul Bird Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Glad you enjoyed Harewood Paul. It's usually good event, unfortunately I missed it this year for the first time in 5 years because of my nephews 21st birthday party. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Bird To: Andrew Brierley Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Speaking as a relative newcomer I joined PCGB and the 928 register to gain access to like minded owners/enthusiasts. I attended Harewood House PCGB meeting back in the summer and there were about a dozen 928's in attendance. There were no anoraks/blazers and all the owners I spoke to were friendly and happy to chat 928. Like any other club PCGB is what you make of it- Turn up in your 928 and explain to the rear engined mob that the engine is supposed to be at the front! Paul (PSB) 86 S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Hi Nick No Adrian isn't involved with PCGB in the North West region, he deals with technical problems on a national level and writes excellent technical articles every month in Porsche Post. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Carrington To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum I didn't realise either Angus or Adrian were involved with PCGB, or that Adrian was involved in the North West region - must mean a lot of travel for him. Maybe different regions work different ways. I know one of our South West members went to a local PCGB meet and was frozen out by the assembled chaps in their blazers and ties. He didn't bother going again. Experiences like that tend to colour one's attitude, and have deterred me from joining PCGB, although I've toyed with the idea once or twice. I've even posted on both lists asking people's opinions, and the responses have generally been on the cooler side of impartial. I wouldn't want to put others off, maybe they will have a totally different experience. Interestingly, I joined MGOC almost immediately after buying an MG, and have found it very useful, even though I don't go to meets etc. I will listen with interest to any other opinions that come up. One day I may be convinced to give it a try. Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 18:46 To: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Manning, Graham To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't be long... In the days before I knew of 928.org.uk I contacted them for information about buying a 928; I was told they didn't know much about them but they did suggest trying this list! - Graham_______________________________________________ 928uk mailing list 928uk at 928.org.uk http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 928.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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URL: From richard at ritech-systems.com Fri Dec 10 10:29:19 2004 From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:29:19 +0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 Forum and PCGB In-Reply-To: References: <016601c4de4b$c4b18be0$ac29bd50@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Nice one Mike! Richard In message , Mike Dawe writes >? >Reply to those who feel that PCGB is freezing out the 928 owners......... >With cars as expensive(new) as Porsches,we must expect?to attract a? >small cadre of socially aspirational tits. Happily these are in the minority. >They exist in all clubs;yachting,golf,Bentley owners,Aston-Martin owners >etc.,and they?should and can be ignored.?Some are quite nice when you >get to know them..... The 928 is a rarity and a car to be coveted?and >cherished by true?enthusiasts.Recent E-mails indicate how much we all >care for our 928s.?You are the genuine article,not a poseur. >Walk tall amongst the beetles and?don't let the bugs get you down! Mike >(T reg) > -----Original Message----- > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk > [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Chris Clark > Sent: 09 December 2004 23:53 > To: 928 List > Subject: [928uk] 928 Forum and PCGB > > Hi Guys, > Just a few comments on the recent postings re lack of ?928 interest in > PCGB. > My experience has been completely different.? In the North West > Region of PCGB there is an enthusiastic group of 928 owners, with > good attendance at both club nights and weekend events through the > Summer.? Indeed, the 928 Register is very active within PCGB. > The Club is not totally 911 oriented, but bear in mind that of the?17,000 > members, around 450 have 928's.? So with a majority of the members > owning 911's of some variety, it is not surprising that there is extensive > coverage of that model in Porsche Post.? But the last few months has > seen many 928 articles published, from the Beaulieu review to Adrian > Clark's excellent technical submissions. > Regards, > Chris Clark?? (S2) >_______________________________________________ >928uk mailing list >928uk at 928.org.uk >http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk >928.org.uk -- RITECH Systems Ltd Tel: 01380 818094 Fax: 01380 818099 Mob: 07702 541137 From simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk Fri Dec 10 10:42:23 2004 From: simonwatson at unitelconsultants.co.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:42:23 -0000 Subject: [928uk] 928 forum References: <002001c4de47$a210a2a0$6500a8c0@T9100> <008a01c4dea2$79a5e540$458a87d9@n7m9k7> Message-ID: <000201c4deb0$48f9b030$cbc22f50@ThinkPad> Yes, Andrew does really do a good job "fighting the 928 corner" with the mag & the editor & PCGB as they are very 911 orientated. Regards Simon 95 GTS manual ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928UK Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Hi Nick PCGB is split into regions and registers. Events can be for regions, registers, national or even international. Often registers and regions join together for events. The 928 register is headed by David Hemmings who has been running it for about 10 years. He has catalogued a lot of important information over that time. Adrian Clark is the register technical adviser, Angus maintains the computers record of all the cars (over 600 logged by owner, model, chassis no., engine no., and reg. no.) and I help to co-ordinate events. As part of PCGB membership you receive a monthly publication called Porsche Post. There is always some 928 content by way of David Hemmings editorial and Adrian's technical tips. People do complain about lack of 928 content in Porsche Post, but that could easily be rectified if members provide articles. When people send me 928 articles I always make sure they are published. I give the editor a hard time if he doesn't. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Carrington To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum So what IS this 928 register? I've heard mention of it a few times - is it part of PCGB, or some independent thing? Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of Andrew Brierley Sent: 09 December 2004 22:06 To: Paul Bird Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Glad you enjoyed Harewood Paul. It's usually good event, unfortunately I missed it this year for the first time in 5 years because of my nephews 21st birthday party. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Bird To: Andrew Brierley Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Speaking as a relative newcomer I joined PCGB and the 928 register to gain access to like minded owners/enthusiasts. I attended Harewood House PCGB meeting back in the summer and there were about a dozen 928's in attendance. There were no anoraks/blazers and all the owners I spoke to were friendly and happy to chat 928. Like any other club PCGB is what you make of it- Turn up in your 928 and explain to the rear engined mob that the engine is supposed to be at the front! Paul (PSB) 86 S2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Brierley To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Hi Nick No Adrian isn't involved with PCGB in the North West region, he deals with technical problems on a national level and writes excellent technical articles every month in Porsche Post. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Carrington To: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum I didn't realise either Angus or Adrian were involved with PCGB, or that Adrian was involved in the North West region - must mean a lot of travel for him. Maybe different regions work different ways. I know one of our South West members went to a local PCGB meet and was frozen out by the assembled chaps in their blazers and ties. He didn't bother going again. Experiences like that tend to colour one's attitude, and have deterred me from joining PCGB, although I've toyed with the idea once or twice. I've even posted on both lists asking people's opinions, and the responses have generally been on the cooler side of impartial. I wouldn't want to put others off, maybe they will have a totally different experience. Interestingly, I joined MGOC almost immediately after buying an MG, and have found it very useful, even though I don't go to meets etc. I will listen with interest to any other opinions that come up. One day I may be convinced to give it a try. Nick C. -----Original Message----- From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of clusted at rockwellcollins.com Sent: 09 December 2004 18:46 To: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk Cc: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk; 928uk at 928.org.uk Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 forum Your point is well made Andrew and I did actually contact Adrian Clark about my 928 when I was deciding whether to buy it or not and he was extremely helpful and responsive. I will definitely attend a few more PCGB meetings before I make my mind up. Of course it could be me - surely not ? Clive '88 S4 Auto "Andrew Brierley" Sent by: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk 09/12/2004 16:47 To <928uk at 928.org.uk> cc Subject Re: [928uk] 928 forum I find PCGB satisfies most of my 928 needs. Here in the North West we have a decent group of 928 members who attend meetings. Adrian Clark provides excellent technical advice, Angus keeps a computer list of all the cars on the register with chassis and engine numbers and there are some excellent meetings - such as factory visits, Isle of Man tours, National meetings (Brands Hatch this year) and regional and register meetings. What more can you ask for? The club is made up of it's members and I always suggest anyone who feels they are not getting enough from the club should get involved. If people provide articles I will get them published in Porsche Post. Admittedly there is a 911 bias in PCGB but partly this is because the 911 owners are enthusiastic and provide a lot of input. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Manning, Graham To: clusted at rockwellcollins.com ; nick.carrington at ntlworld.com Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 forum Sadly my experience of PCGB is similar. I don't think they've tabled a motion to become the P911CGB, but it can't