From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Wed Oct  1 01:10:15 2003
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:10:15 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
Message-ID: <20031001001015.42BD84CD46@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>


Been trying to finalise a new table of 928 wheel sizes and have run
across a discrepancy.  It relates to the wheels supplied on the GT.
These were:

  1988-1989:
    Club Sport, Forged Magnesium
    Option M393 on S4, 60.0 mm rear offsets

  1990-1991
    Design 90, Cast Aluminium
    Option M400 on S4, 52.3 mm rear offsets

I have some information to suggest that the M393 wheels had 17 mm
factory-fitted rear spacers.  I need to verify this.

Also, I had similar information regarding the M400 wheels, but I
now seriously question this.  (I am almost certain that 17 mm
spacers would not fit on a 52.3 mm offset wheel without rubbing the
street-side guards.)

Does anyone know for sure what the factory did with these wheels?

Thanks,



--
Phil

One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people.
        -- George Carlin


From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Wed Oct  1 02:33:24 2003
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:33:24 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
In-Reply-To: <36824C00FE20D511B80B00D0B747527C026068F8@mail.hothouse.com.au>
Message-ID: <20031001013324.6B4F64CD46@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Patrick Cusack wrote:
> 
> Check out http://www.landsharkoz.com/tt/ttwheels.htm 

Thanks Patrick.  Normally very good advice... :-) but I wrote
it and am looking to correct an error.

> My '89 GT has the original Club Sports and I can check the
> offsets if you're interested.

Very nice wheels.  Thank you for the offer.  I appreciate it, but
already have the answer. 

The offsets of the 1988-1989 GT Club Sport wheels are not in
question.   They are 60 mm.  It's the spacers that interest me. 
The input of others has convinced me that thay have 17 mm spacers.

Thanks,


--
Phil

I respect a man who knows how to spell a word more than one way.
        -- Mark Twain


From porsche928 at dodo.com.au  Wed Oct  1 08:57:06 2003
From: porsche928 at dodo.com.au (Vince)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:57:06 +1000
Subject: [928uk] Sunroof problem
In-Reply-To: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA0B@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>
Message-ID: <004801c387f1$b0e2fd80$6951dccb@vincenjrxvbh5j>

           Hi Scott,
 
           Thank you for your information about how to fix my sunroof!.
I will follow these step by step instructions and hopefully be able to
fix the problem without any hiccups. Thank you for your time writing
this large paragraph , it must of taken you a while. It is very useful.
 
Thanks,
 
Vince
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Walker, Scott [mailto:SWalker at ndsuk.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:06 PM
To: 'Vince'; '928UK'
Subject: RE: [928uk] Sunroof problem
 
Vince, 
Re: 
>I have a '80 928 and I have a problem with my sunroof. The switches
work 
>well since I've recently purchased a replacement but have a problem
<snip>. 
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Wed Oct  1 11:12:58 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:12:58 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA22@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Phil,

I can't answer your specific question, but can give info on my car - a '91
GT (with Design 90's).

As you probably know, the GT's have rolled arches (inner lip of rear
wheelarch is rolled up to increase tyre clearance). There are no spacers on
my car, but I couldn't see (especially with non-rolled arches, as per S4)
how you could fit the Design 90's with spacers. We recently discussed on the
list why it was that Porsche retained the same rear axle width (even for
GTS) on the 928 - but as they did keep this fixed, the sums are not adding
up for the M400 + spacers!

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au [mailto:citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au]

Been trying to finalise a new table of 928 wheel sizes and have run
across a discrepancy.  It relates to the wheels supplied on the GT.
These were:

  1988-1989:
    Club Sport, Forged Magnesium
    Option M393 on S4, 60.0 mm rear offsets

  1990-1991
    Design 90, Cast Aluminium
    Option M400 on S4, 52.3 mm rear offsets

I have some information to suggest that the M393 wheels had 17 mm
factory-fitted rear spacers.  I need to verify this.

Also, I had similar information regarding the M400 wheels, but I
now seriously question this.  (I am almost certain that 17 mm
spacers would not fit on a 52.3 mm offset wheel without rubbing the
street-side guards.)

Does anyone know for sure what the factory did with these wheels?

Thanks,
--
Phil
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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Wed Oct  1 11:50:57 2003
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:50:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
References: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA22@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>
Message-ID: <005201c38809$e6225a00$e3157ad5@hppav>

RE: [928uk] 928 GT WheelsAll the later cars have rolled arches whether S4s, GTs or GTS. Think it was introduced 89/90

David
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walker, Scott 
  To: 'citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au' ; landshark at yahoogroups.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:12 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels


  Phil, 

  I can't answer your specific question, but can give info on my car - a '91 GT (with Design 90's). 

  As you probably know, the GT's have rolled arches (inner lip of rear wheelarch is rolled up to increase tyre clearance). There are no spacers on my car, but I couldn't see (especially with non-rolled arches, as per S4) how you could fit the Design 90's with spacers. We recently discussed on the list why it was that Porsche retained the same rear axle width (even for GTS) on the 928 - but as they did keep this fixed, the sums are not adding up for the M400 + spacers!

  Scott '91 GT 

  -----Original Message----- 
  From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au [mailto:citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au] 

  Been trying to finalise a new table of 928 wheel sizes and have run 
  across a discrepancy.  It relates to the wheels supplied on the GT. 
  These were: 

    1988-1989: 
      Club Sport, Forged Magnesium 
      Option M393 on S4, 60.0 mm rear offsets 

    1990-1991 
      Design 90, Cast Aluminium 
      Option M400 on S4, 52.3 mm rear offsets 

  I have some information to suggest that the M393 wheels had 17 mm 
  factory-fitted rear spacers.  I need to verify this. 

  Also, I had similar information regarding the M400 wheels, but I 
  now seriously question this.  (I am almost certain that 17 mm 
  spacers would not fit on a 52.3 mm offset wheel without rubbing the 
  street-side guards.) 

  Does anyone know for sure what the factory did with these wheels? 

  Thanks, 
  -- 
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From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Wed Oct  1 12:42:40 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:42:40 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Knock Sensors on Early S4's
Message-ID: <E1A4fNQ-000BCt-SI@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>


How do you test Knock Sensor's on a pre-Hammer S4? I've checked Pirtle and 
Nichols but found nothing. 

Cheers 

Paul 

87 S4 Manual


From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 12:59:52 2003
From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:59:52 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Knock Sensors on Early S4's
Message-ID: <69.3c8461ad.2cac1bb8@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/10/03 12:50:05 GMT Daylight Time, ukkid35 at breathe.com 
writes:


> How do you test Knock Sensor's on a pre-Hammer S4? I've checked Pirtle and 
> Nichols but found nothing. 
>>>>>>>>>
Paul,
Offically you can't but...............your car is wired for diagnostics, just 
like the '88 cars, with a 12 way diagnostic connector on the panel that holds 
the ECUs. (or sometimes dangling nearby if it has been unclipped)

Your LH and EZK can be updated with "diagnostic" EPROMS, and then you can use 
a diagnostic tester with a 12 way connector (e.g. the 9268, that Adrian SE 
has).

All '87 S4s can be made "diagnostic".

I can supply the EPROMS.

John




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From andy at pandar.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 13:11:21 2003
From: andy at pandar.demon.co.uk (Andy Gilmour)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:11:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 Loose Spoiler
Message-ID: <001501c38815$21fc9d00$5711b150@oemcomputer>

Hello everyone

I've been lucky enough to acquire the S4 that was recently advertised on
928.org: a '91 registered in '92

My first one and despite the time of year I'm full of the joys of spring!

The spoiler is slightly loose, probably due to too many hatch lifts.

The capped bolts on either side of the hatch are fully tightened against the
existing shim and hatch.

My thought is to add a small washer under each bolt to tighten down the
spoiler. In your experience is this a potentialy good idea?

All advice greatly appreciated

Thanks

Andy
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From titters at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  1 14:53:40 2003
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:53:40 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 Loose Spoiler
References: <001501c38815$21fc9d00$5711b150@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001b01c38823$6b688270$0100a8c0@Weasel>

mine is loose too - but it was the bolts coming away from their seats in the spoiler itself. I epoxyed them back in but that came away after a while - i wonder if theres a better fix?

Iain 90s4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Gilmour 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:11 PM
  Subject: [928uk] S4 Loose Spoiler


  Hello everyone

  I've been lucky enough to acquire the S4 that was recently advertised on 928.org: a '91 registered in '92

  My first one and despite the time of year I'm full of the joys of spring!

  The spoiler is slightly loose, probably due to too many hatch lifts. 

  The capped bolts on either side of the hatch are fully tightened against the existing shim and hatch.

  My thought is to add a small washer under each bolt to tighten down the spoiler. In your experience is this a potentialy good idea?

  All advice greatly appreciated

  Thanks

  Andy


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From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Wed Oct  1 15:41:25 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:41:25 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: Knock Sensors on Early S4's
In-Reply-To: <69.3c8461ad.2cac1bb8@aol.com>
References: <69.3c8461ad.2cac1bb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1A4iAP-000BVA-Sq@mk-webmail-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

Thanks John 

I'll add new EPROMs to my Xmas list, how much should I tell Santa they cost? 

Cheers 

Paul 


JDSPorsche928 at aol.com writes: 

> In a message dated 01/10/03 12:50:05 GMT Daylight Time, ukkid35 at breathe.com 
> writes: 
> 
> 
>> How do you test Knock Sensor's on a pre-Hammer S4? I've checked Pirtle and 
>> Nichols but found nothing. 
>>>>>>>>>>
> Paul,
> Offically you can't but...............your car is wired for diagnostics, just 
> like the '88 cars, with a 12 way diagnostic connector on the panel that holds 
> the ECUs. (or sometimes dangling nearby if it has been unclipped) 
> 
> Your LH and EZK can be updated with "diagnostic" EPROMS, and then you can use 
> a diagnostic tester with a 12 way connector (e.g. the 9268, that Adrian SE 
> has). 
> 
> All '87 S4s can be made "diagnostic". 
> 
> I can supply the EPROMS. 
> 
> John 
> 
>  
> 
> 
 



From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 16:08:10 2003
From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:08:10 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Re: Knock Sensors on Early S4's
Message-ID: <1c2.f964efd.2cac47da@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/10/03 15:41:42 GMT Daylight Time, ukkid35 at breathe.com 
writes:


> I'll add new EPROMs to my Xmas list, how much should I tell Santa they 
> cost? 
> 
Hi PAul,
90GBP for the pair. They come with fitting instructions - even Santa could 
follow them !. I can fit for 25GBP.

The advantage is that you then you get full diagnostics.

You can just diagnose the knock sensors on your car by swapping the EZK for a 
diagnostic one on a temporary basis.

John
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From go928 at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  1 18:13:01 2003
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham Orr (928))
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:13:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] At Last
In-Reply-To: <rziWw3F7YMV$EwrD@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <MCBBKEGMPCJLLIIHNDBIKELJCDAA.go928@btinternet.com>

Hi Richard,

A belated welcome to 928 ownership.  I am also the proud owner of a 91 built
S4 in Amazon green, although mine wasn't registered until 93, so if you can
still make it to Tilford it will be interesting to compare specs.

Hopefully, see you Saturday.

Regards.

Graham (K59DPP)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Richard Armstrong
Sent: 02 September 2003 17:33
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] At Last


Finally I have found the car, after exhaustive combing and miles of
slogging I am now the very proud owner of an Amazon green '91 S4 in mint
condition - even the aircon works, which is a first.
I brought it back from London this afternoon with a grin the size of
Cheshire. Can someone tell me how to spey the stupid RDK warning lamp
though.

Richard A

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From angusf at mac.com  Wed Oct  1 20:47:52 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:47:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
In-Reply-To: <20031001001015.42BD84CD46@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <24D56392-F448-11D7-9078-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

Hi Phil, If you look at my brake page you can clearly see the 17mm 
spacers on my 89 GT which had forged magnesium wheels on delivery and 
has forged magnesium wheels again now courtesy of my SE. 
http://www.928.org.uk/brakes

The press release for the 89 GT confirms your notes - it says:

The sport suspension is complemented by the fitment of wider, forged 
light alloy 'Sport disc design' wheels...

and in the details says:

Wheels
Weight reduced forged light alloy wheels
Front 8J x 16 (standard 7J x 16)
Rear 9J x 16 (standard 8J x 16

Offset front 60mm (standard 65mm)
rear 60mm (standard 52.3mm)

These wheels were standard on the 88 and 89 Club Sport, the 88 SE and 
the 89 GT and a variation of them was also to be found on the 944 Turbo 
SE of the same period.

Angus
PS I will scan the press release and put it up sometime. It has a nice 
photograph of a car identical to mine.
--



On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 01:10 AM, Phil Chadwick wrote:

>
> Been trying to finalise a new table of 928 wheel sizes and have run
> across a discrepancy.  It relates to the wheels supplied on the GT.
> These were:
>
>   1988-1989:
>     Club Sport, Forged Magnesium
>     Option M393 on S4, 60.0 mm rear offsets
>
>   1990-1991
>     Design 90, Cast Aluminium
>     Option M400 on S4, 52.3 mm rear offsets
>
> I have some information to suggest that the M393 wheels had 17 mm
> factory-fitted rear spacers.  I need to verify this.
>
> Also, I had similar information regarding the M400 wheels, but I
> now seriously question this.  (I am almost certain that 17 mm
> spacers would not fit on a 52.3 mm offset wheel without rubbing the
> street-side guards.)
>
> Does anyone know for sure what the factory did with these wheels?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> --
> Phil
>
> One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people.
>         -- George Carlin
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
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From angusf at mac.com  Wed Oct  1 20:49:49 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:49:49 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Bills, Pictures and automobile meets..
In-Reply-To: <000f01c3879a$770d75b0$0700000a@Pig>
Message-ID: <6A61E6AC-F448-11D7-9078-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

I know but you get to the point of just wanting it fixed... Shall we 
start a full service 928 shop? There are enough of us!!!

Angus
--


On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:33 PM, Mark Armstrong wrote:

> Is that emery paper coated with gold dust? 3 -4p per sheet normally
>
> ?
>
> Another good OPC one, to fit my newPaul AndersonRMB ive bought the 
> brackets and the bolt that goes through the exhaust clamp mine are 
> back to nature aka rotten
>
> ?
>
> For an M6 bolt Fifteen quid each? even the parts guy at JCT winced, he 
> ?look up the 993, same clamp slightly longer bolt, a couple of quid.
>
> ?
>
> I could buy an angle grinder with the difference to cut it to size. 
> Think 928 parts are on the up price wise ?
>
> ?
>
> Mark Armstrong
>
> 87 S4
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On 
> Behalf OfJDSPorsche928 at aol.com
> Sent: 30 September 2003 18:40
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Bills, Pictures and automobile meets..
>
> ?
>
> In a message dated 30/09/03 18:32:55 GMT Daylight Time, 
> angusf at 928.org.uk writes:
>
>
>
> Cover 9.09 (the plastic lenses that are just trim)
> Relay 48.20
> Sensors x 2 84.96
> Cheese head screw 33p
> Emery paper 95p
> V belt 12.18
>
> Total 985"
>
>
> eeeeeeekkk !! How many golden hours did that buy, Angus ?
> John
>
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From ddevilder at datamonitor.com  Wed Oct  1 21:53:08 2003
From: ddevilder at datamonitor.com (Diederik de Vilder)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:53:08 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928 better than Daytona ?
Message-ID: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD20BDC00@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com>

In the latest Classic & Sports Car magazine, there is a test of Maserati
Kyalami, with a small section on 'the rivals', where the 928 is featured. It
reads as follows: "Famously Car of the Year in 1977and the closest thing to
a second-generation Daytona according to those who've tried both. In fact
it's much better even if the Tony Lapine styling isn't to all tastes.
Four-cam V8 can be costly to fix."
 
Better than a Daytona ? If I were to read this and I didn't own a 928, I
would drop my pen and buy one right away.
 
Diederik 


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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Oct  2 05:55:01 2003
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:55:01 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
In-Reply-To: <24D56392-F448-11D7-9078-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20031002045501.050464CD4D@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

angusf at mac.com wrote:

> Hi Phil, If you look at my brake page you can clearly see the 17mm 
> spacers on my 89 GT which had forged magnesium wheels on delivery and 
> has forged magnesium wheels again now courtesy of my SE. 
> http://www.928.org.uk/brakes

Angus,

Thank you, and all the others who have responded.

Excellent pictures of the spacer.

The "89 GT Brake pad upgrade" article is a very good read too!

--
Phil

Happiness isn't something you experience; it's something you remember.
        -- Oscar Levant


From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Thu Oct  2 07:03:26 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:03:26 +0100
Subject: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs
In-Reply-To: <1c2.f964efd.2cac47da@aol.com>
References: <1c2.f964efd.2cac47da@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1A4wYg-000IWi-7v@mk-webmail-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

Are they any good? 

http://www.rotordiscs.co.uk/main_page.htm 

And why do 928's have them priced individually for the front, where as every 
other Porsche has them priced as a pair? 

Cheers 

Paul 

87 S4 Manual


From kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 07:29:01 2003
From: kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com (Kenrick Ramlochan)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:29:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [928uk] 928 better than Daytona ?
In-Reply-To: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD20BDC00@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com>
Message-ID: <20031002062901.13147.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com>

Interesting as I have always fancied a Daytona and if
I didn't already own a 928, the Daytona would be one
the first Ferrari that I would consider owning.
Kenrick
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> In the latest Classic & Sports Car magazine, there
> is a test of Maserati
> Kyalami, with a small section on 'the rivals', where
> the 928 is featured. It
> reads as follows: "Famously Car of the Year in
> 1977and the closest thing to
> a second-generation Daytona according to those
> who've tried both. In fact
> it's much better even if the Tony Lapine styling
> isn't to all tastes.
> Four-cam V8 can be costly to fix."
>  
> Better than a Daytona ? If I were to read this and I
> didn't own a 928, I
> would drop my pen and buy one right away.
>  
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From james at rysuk.com  Thu Oct  2 08:25:13 2003
From: james at rysuk.com (James Sweeting)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:25:13 +0100
Subject: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs
In-Reply-To: <E1A4wYg-000IWi-7v@mk-webmail-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <003501c388b6$51bc0d90$0b01a8c0@troi>

They told me they were different ie left from right - odd I agree, maybe
the others you can put either pad on either wheel

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of ukkid35 at breathe.com
Sent: 02 October 2003 07:03
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs


Are they any good? 

http://www.rotordiscs.co.uk/main_page.htm 

And why do 928's have them priced individually for the front, where as
every 
other Porsche has them priced as a pair? 

Cheers 

Paul 

87 S4 Manual
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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct  2 08:39:42 2003
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:39:42 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?
References: <004601c37b7b$c8d9b2d0$90ee6b51@martinscomputer>
Message-ID: <008301c388b8$5e65dd80$93ce7ad5@hppav>

Targeting the North West contingent. Anyone want to meet / re-group on the way South around the M42/M40? Suspect the Nat Motorcycle Museum may be difficult after the recent fire. What time are people travelling?

David '90 S4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin Dunks 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:23 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Fw: Tilford 2003


  To all on the 928UK list, this is a 928 meeting being organised by PCGB member Stewart Wren for SATURDAY 4th OCT. at Tilford Surrey (10 miles from Guildford) Last year we had 32 (I think) cars parked on the village green/cricket pitch outside a lovely old pub, plenty of space left for more (60 are coming so far this year ). Please contact Stewart at  G47005 at exchange.uk.com  so Stewart has an idea of No's coming
   The Multimap location is
  http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=480000&Y=140000&width=700&height=400&client=public&gride=487294&gridn=143467&keepicon=false&coordsys=gb&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&scale=200000&upright.x=7&upright.y=20
  Dear fellow 928 owners,

  I am pleased to say that the British contingent all negotiated the 'Ring safely at the Euro 928 meeting . Who would like to take on the challenge of running this event in the UK next year ?

  Meanwhile, the latest update for Tilford follows with 3 weeks to go, getting close to that magic 60 mark. Who else is out there ?? ...............



  Tilford 2003. GU10 2BU

  Saturday 4th October.



  Trevor Peddle +1 or +2

  Martin Dunks

  Adrian Hayes '91 GT

  James Sweeting +1

  Jon Jeffryes '79 Auto

  David Randall

  Alex Day

  Jon Jeffries

  Clifford Biddlecombe '88 S4 SE

  Trevor Moorcraft + 3

  Ian Russell +1

  Brendan O'Callahan S4

  Graham Orr '91 S4

  Rob Burrell & Katherine '90 GT

  Stewart Wren & Sue '79 Auto

  Andrew Le Blanc Smith 928S SIA9280

  John Symes 928GTS manual

  Peter Noble

  Paul Stevens '87 S4 Manual

  Mike Richards

  Steve Senior '82 928S LHD Auto.

  Terry Rockall

  Paul Redgrave 90 S4

  Alex Popov '84 S2

  Carl Hender '87 &'88 S4 Auto's

  Kenrick Ramlochen '90 S4 

  PETER ROWE 928 TECHNICAL --- Rivervale Porsche, Brighton.

  George Layton '95 GTS

  John Vaughn '78 Auto First Import to UK

  Lawrence Abbot '79 Auto

  Nigel Jackson GTS

  Andy and Karen Crowther '82 S

  Alistair Cameron

  Andrew Brierley '90 S4 or '91 GT PCGB 928 Register editor

  Dave and Sam Dooley '90 GT

  Mike Gibbons '88 S4

  Chris Clarke S2

  Charles & Denise Van Asma '80 Auto

  Diederik de Vilder '82 S Auto

  David Adler & Evelyne S2

  William Robertson '79 Auto

  Michelle Robertson S4

  Peter Ward '92 GT Manual

  Kingsley Sawyers '91GT

  Simon Hawkins '85 S2

  Nick Carrington '83 S

  Ralph {Mac} Maclean 

  Ian Macleod S4

  Richard Allen '86 S2

  Peter Spooner '89 S4

  Jeremy Napier S2

  Suzanne Napier S4

  Steve Fitchett

  Barry & Karen Angus '86 S2

  David Campion S4

  John Mabbott '90 GT

  Nick & Rachel McKenna GT

  John Speake ` '86 S2 {Provisioal}

  Mel Thomas {Provisional}

  Scot Walker {Provisional}

  ADRIAN CLARK 928 TECHNICAL, 928 PCGB REGISTER {provisional}

  If I have missed any one, please confirm.

  Thanks.

  Stewart.



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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct  2 08:52:59 2003
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:52:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs
References: <003501c388b6$51bc0d90$0b01a8c0@troi>
Message-ID: <00a801c388ba$3377f520$93ce7ad5@hppav>

Recall the disks are internally ventilated with spiral internal channels for
improved cooling. The spirals are clockwise and counter-clockwise depending
on position (OS/NS) otherwise one would cool better than the other.

David '90 S4

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Sweeting" <james at rysuk.com>
To: <ukkid35 at breathe.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs


> They told me they were different ie left from right - odd I agree, maybe
> the others you can put either pad on either wheel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
> Behalf Of ukkid35 at breathe.com
> Sent: 02 October 2003 07:03
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs
>
>
> Are they any good?
>
> http://www.rotordiscs.co.uk/main_page.htm
>
> And why do 928's have them priced individually for the front, where as
> every
> other Porsche has them priced as a pair?
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
> 87 S4 Manual
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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 08:53:49 2003
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 03:53:49 EDT
Subject: [928uk] 48k service
Message-ID: <e4.3e8fc92f.2cad338d@aol.com>

Hi All, just had a major service done and not looking too expensive, Parts 
under 600 and two days labour so whole job should be under ?1k. A few points; if 
your opc wants to sell you brake pads watch out. my fronts were over 150 but 
round the corner got Lockheed LP1428s for 34-04. Flex plate hasn't moved in 
10k miles. Why the 6mm water pump studs? by the time they've had a thread cut in 
it takes minimal corrosion to weaken them. Internal waterways behind the pump 
and pump itself looked as good as new. Definitely had a bit of room on the 
tensioner pulley. Get organised before you find Bert Gear is on holday and i 
reckon you'd save another 150. Compares well with girlfriends' Citroen service at 
?800. Cheers Tim ('92gts)
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From porsche928 at dodo.com.au  Thu Oct  2 10:35:02 2003
From: porsche928 at dodo.com.au (Vince)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:35:02 +1000
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
In-Reply-To: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA22@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>
Message-ID: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>

Hi All,
Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. Genuine
Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain which
required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another
words that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly)
b4 it came to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because
when I eventually got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time
to cool down and it was back to normal.
Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out of
those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise
(water on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go
back to normal.
Any suggestions?
Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus)
 
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From richard at frontline-display.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 11:04:16 2003
From: richard at frontline-display.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:04:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
In-Reply-To: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
Message-ID: <000201c388cc$8adcfbf0$1d00000a@Richard>

RE: [928uk] 928 GT WheelsHi Vince,

i have been using EBC "greenstuff",
no squealing minimal dust and not to bad on fade either.

Rich
'88 Strosek


 -----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Vince
Sent: 02 October 2003 10:35
To: 'Walker, Scott'; citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au; landshark at yahoogroups.com;
928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels


  Hi All,

  Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. Genuine
Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain which
required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another words
that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly) b4 it came
to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because when I eventually
got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time to cool down and it
was back to normal.

  Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out of
those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise (water
on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go back to
normal.

  Any suggestions?

  Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus)



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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 12:42:59 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:42:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?
References: <004601c37b7b$c8d9b2d0$90ee6b51@martinscomputer>
	<008301c388b8$5e65dd80$93ce7ad5@hppav>
Message-ID: <002801c388da$fd8f9780$2dbc87d9@n7m9k7>

Hi David

I am meeting Mike Gibbons and possibly David Hemmings at Knutsford services 8.30a.m. then Chris Clark at Hilton Park services for a cup of coffee. So Should be leaving Hilton by 9.45a.m. - subject to traffic.
We will the then head down the M6/M42/M40. Maybe we could meet at a services on the M40?

Andrew


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Porter 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?


  Targeting the North West contingent. Anyone want to meet / re-group on the way South around the M42/M40? Suspect the Nat Motorcycle Museum may be difficult after the recent fire. What time are people travelling?

  David '90 S4
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Martin Dunks 
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:23 PM
    Subject: [928uk] Fw: Tilford 2003


    To all on the 928UK list, this is a 928 meeting being organised by PCGB member Stewart Wren for SATURDAY 4th OCT. at Tilford Surrey (10 miles from Guildford) Last year we had 32 (I think) cars parked on the village green/cricket pitch outside a lovely old pub, plenty of space left for more (60 are coming so far this year ). Please contact Stewart at  G47005 at exchange.uk.com  so Stewart has an idea of No's coming
     The Multimap location is
    http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=480000&Y=140000&width=700&height=400&client=public&gride=487294&gridn=143467&keepicon=false&coordsys=gb&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&scale=200000&upright.x=7&upright.y=20
    Dear fellow 928 owners,

    I am pleased to say that the British contingent all negotiated the 'Ring safely at the Euro 928 meeting . Who would like to take on the challenge of running this event in the UK next year ?

    Meanwhile, the latest update for Tilford follows with 3 weeks to go, getting close to that magic 60 mark. Who else is out there ?? ...............



    Tilford 2003. GU10 2BU

    Saturday 4th October.



    Trevor Peddle +1 or +2

    Martin Dunks

    Adrian Hayes '91 GT

    James Sweeting +1

    Jon Jeffryes '79 Auto

    David Randall

    Alex Day

    Jon Jeffries

    Clifford Biddlecombe '88 S4 SE

    Trevor Moorcraft + 3

    Ian Russell +1

    Brendan O'Callahan S4

    Graham Orr '91 S4

    Rob Burrell & Katherine '90 GT

    Stewart Wren & Sue '79 Auto

    Andrew Le Blanc Smith 928S SIA9280

    John Symes 928GTS manual

    Peter Noble

    Paul Stevens '87 S4 Manual

    Mike Richards

    Steve Senior '82 928S LHD Auto.

    Terry Rockall

    Paul Redgrave 90 S4

    Alex Popov '84 S2

    Carl Hender '87 &'88 S4 Auto's

    Kenrick Ramlochen '90 S4 

    PETER ROWE 928 TECHNICAL --- Rivervale Porsche, Brighton.

    George Layton '95 GTS

    John Vaughn '78 Auto First Import to UK

    Lawrence Abbot '79 Auto

    Nigel Jackson GTS

    Andy and Karen Crowther '82 S

    Alistair Cameron

    Andrew Brierley '90 S4 or '91 GT PCGB 928 Register editor

    Dave and Sam Dooley '90 GT

    Mike Gibbons '88 S4

    Chris Clarke S2

    Charles & Denise Van Asma '80 Auto

    Diederik de Vilder '82 S Auto

    David Adler & Evelyne S2

    William Robertson '79 Auto

    Michelle Robertson S4

    Peter Ward '92 GT Manual

    Kingsley Sawyers '91GT

    Simon Hawkins '85 S2

    Nick Carrington '83 S

    Ralph {Mac} Maclean 

    Ian Macleod S4

    Richard Allen '86 S2

    Peter Spooner '89 S4

    Jeremy Napier S2

    Suzanne Napier S4

    Steve Fitchett

    Barry & Karen Angus '86 S2

    David Campion S4

    John Mabbott '90 GT

    Nick & Rachel McKenna GT

    John Speake ` '86 S2 {Provisioal}

    Mel Thomas {Provisional}

    Scot Walker {Provisional}

    ADRIAN CLARK 928 TECHNICAL, 928 PCGB REGISTER {provisional}

    If I have missed any one, please confirm.

    Thanks.

    Stewart.



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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Thu Oct  2 13:08:06 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:08:06 +0100
Subject: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs
References: <1c2.f964efd.2cac47da@aol.com>
	<E1A4wYg-000IWi-7v@mk-webmail-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <004601c388dd$d7a4fd50$274b4ed5@computername>

At ?500 a set, I will never know.

928 front discs are handed, but that's no reason not to price them as a
pair.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ukkid35 at breathe.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: [928uk] BlueFlame RotorDiscs


> Are they any good?
>
> http://www.rotordiscs.co.uk/main_page.htm
>
> And why do 928's have them priced individually for the front, where as
every
> other Porsche has them priced as a pair?
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
> 87 S4 Manual



From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Thu Oct  2 13:13:47 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:13:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
References: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
Message-ID: <005f01c388de$a311dd00$274b4ed5@computername>

Your brake failure was almost certainly due to the fluid boiling.
It does that at lower temperatures as it absorbs water over time.
Get it changed immediately before you get too much corrosion in the system,
or crash!

I just get the cheapest "OEM" pads. They are fine for road use, and only
fade after serious track time in hot weather.

Brakes not working when wet is perfectly normal. You just need to dry them
after going through a ford etc.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vince" <porsche928 at dodo.com.au>
To: "'Walker, Scott'" <SWalker at ndsuk.com>; <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au>;
<landshark at yahoogroups.com>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels


> Hi All,
> Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. Genuine
> Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain which
> required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another
> words that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly)
> b4 it came to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because
> when I eventually got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time
> to cool down and it was back to normal.
> Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out of
> those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise
> (water on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go
> back to normal.
> Any suggestions?
> Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus)
>
>


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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct  2 14:15:17 2003
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:15:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?
References: <004601c37b7b$c8d9b2d0$90ee6b51@martinscomputer><008301c388b8$5e65dd80$93ce7ad5@hppav>
	<002801c388da$fd8f9780$2dbc87d9@n7m9k7>
Message-ID: <004e01c388e7$404cbe20$d9277ad5@hppav>

Hi Andrew

Sounds like you'll be full of coffee by the time you hit Birmingham. Probably best to meet at the Warwick Services on the M40. I'll aim to be there at 1015. Give me a call as you're leaving Hilton.

David
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andrew Brierley 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?


  Hi David

  I am meeting Mike Gibbons and possibly David Hemmings at Knutsford services 8.30a.m. then Chris Clark at Hilton Park services for a cup of coffee. So Should be leaving Hilton by 9.45a.m. - subject to traffic.
  We will the then head down the M6/M42/M40. Maybe we could meet at a services on the M40?

  Andrew


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Porter 
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:39 AM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?


    Targeting the North West contingent. Anyone want to meet / re-group on the way South around the M42/M40? Suspect the Nat Motorcycle Museum may be difficult after the recent fire. What time are people travelling?

    David '90 S4
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Martin Dunks 
      To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
      Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:23 PM
      Subject: [928uk] Fw: Tilford 2003


      To all on the 928UK list, this is a 928 meeting being organised by PCGB member Stewart Wren for SATURDAY 4th OCT. at Tilford Surrey (10 miles from Guildford) Last year we had 32 (I think) cars parked on the village green/cricket pitch outside a lovely old pub, plenty of space left for more (60 are coming so far this year ). Please contact Stewart at  G47005 at exchange.uk.com  so Stewart has an idea of No's coming
       The Multimap location is
      http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=480000&Y=140000&width=700&height=400&client=public&gride=487294&gridn=143467&keepicon=false&coordsys=gb&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&scale=200000&upright.x=7&upright.y=20
      Dear fellow 928 owners,

      I am pleased to say that the British contingent all negotiated the 'Ring safely at the Euro 928 meeting . Who would like to take on the challenge of running this event in the UK next year ?

      Meanwhile, the latest update for Tilford follows with 3 weeks to go, getting close to that magic 60 mark. Who else is out there ?? ...............



      Tilford 2003. GU10 2BU

      Saturday 4th October.



      Trevor Peddle +1 or +2

      Martin Dunks

      Adrian Hayes '91 GT

      James Sweeting +1

      Jon Jeffryes '79 Auto

      David Randall

      Alex Day

      Jon Jeffries

      Clifford Biddlecombe '88 S4 SE

      Trevor Moorcraft + 3

      Ian Russell +1

      Brendan O'Callahan S4

      Graham Orr '91 S4

      Rob Burrell & Katherine '90 GT

      Stewart Wren & Sue '79 Auto

      Andrew Le Blanc Smith 928S SIA9280

      John Symes 928GTS manual

      Peter Noble

      Paul Stevens '87 S4 Manual

      Mike Richards

      Steve Senior '82 928S LHD Auto.

      Terry Rockall

      Paul Redgrave 90 S4

      Alex Popov '84 S2

      Carl Hender '87 &'88 S4 Auto's

      Kenrick Ramlochen '90 S4 

      PETER ROWE 928 TECHNICAL --- Rivervale Porsche, Brighton.

      George Layton '95 GTS

      John Vaughn '78 Auto First Import to UK

      Lawrence Abbot '79 Auto

      Nigel Jackson GTS

      Andy and Karen Crowther '82 S

      Alistair Cameron

      Andrew Brierley '90 S4 or '91 GT PCGB 928 Register editor

      Dave and Sam Dooley '90 GT

      Mike Gibbons '88 S4

      Chris Clarke S2

      Charles & Denise Van Asma '80 Auto

      Diederik de Vilder '82 S Auto

      David Adler & Evelyne S2

      William Robertson '79 Auto

      Michelle Robertson S4

      Peter Ward '92 GT Manual

      Kingsley Sawyers '91GT

      Simon Hawkins '85 S2

      Nick Carrington '83 S

      Ralph {Mac} Maclean 

      Ian Macleod S4

      Richard Allen '86 S2

      Peter Spooner '89 S4

      Jeremy Napier S2

      Suzanne Napier S4

      Steve Fitchett

      Barry & Karen Angus '86 S2

      David Campion S4

      John Mabbott '90 GT

      Nick & Rachel McKenna GT

      John Speake ` '86 S2 {Provisioal}

      Mel Thomas {Provisional}

      Scot Walker {Provisional}

      ADRIAN CLARK 928 TECHNICAL, 928 PCGB REGISTER {provisional}

      If I have missed any one, please confirm.

      Thanks.

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From porsche928 at dodo.com.au  Thu Oct  2 15:30:42 2003
From: porsche928 at dodo.com.au (Vince)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:30:42 +1000
Subject: [928uk] Brakes
In-Reply-To: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
Message-ID: <001c01c388f1$d82560d0$d60adccb@vincenjrxvbh5j>

 
Hi All,
Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. Genuine
Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain which
required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another
words that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly)
b4 it came to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because
when I eventually got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time
to cool down and it was back to normal.
Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out of
those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise
(water on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go
back to normal.
Any suggestions?
Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus)
 
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From porsche928 at dodo.com.au  Thu Oct  2 15:43:33 2003
From: porsche928 at dodo.com.au (Vince)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:43:33 +1000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Brakes
In-Reply-To: <005f01c388de$a311dd00$274b4ed5@computername>
Message-ID: <002101c388f3$a33202a0$d60adccb@vincenjrxvbh5j>


Dear Smiffy,

The fluid is due for a change!. What will be the recommended fluid? .
Can it be a fluid you would purchase from a service station ? They sell
all the popular brands.
Never changed brake fluid b4 , :) I would think that you start by
removing the fluid from the brake master cylinder , replace it with the
new one and then bleed out the system until new fluid takes over ?.
Suggestions ?

Thanks Paul,

Vince




From richard at ritech-systems.com  Thu Oct  2 15:45:21 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:45:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 shop
Message-ID: <ZfGa7+JBoDf$EwOH@ritech-systems.com>

>I know but you get to the point of just wanting it fixed... Shall we 
>start a full service 928 shop? There are enough of us!!!

>I could buy an angle grinder with the difference to cut it to size. 
>Think 928 parts are on the up price wise ?
>Mark Armstrong


Now there is an interesting idea.
There are a number of people already on the group who have undertaken 
work from servicing to complete engine/transmission rebuilds, and quite 
often have good digi camera records. I, for on, am learning at the rate 
of knots, and I fully expect to solve any problems I come across by 
tapping into the knowledge base here and on the American 928 message 
board.
I will probably have a basic service performed by a reputable 
OPC/Independent every year just to keep the service book stamp.

So, why not start a Technical notes database (I know there is already 
some good stuff on the web page), and a parts/ equivalent /source 
database for common items the OPCs charge a criminal amount for.
Ultimately this could lead to a certain amount of stocking for common 
items.

Sounds ambitious I know, and there will be cries of who, how, and where. 
I also do not know it there would be any legal implications.
But that's what good discussion groups are good at - pooling ideas and 
resources.

I would be happy to donate some time as I work from home.

Comments?
Richard Armstrong





From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Thu Oct  2 16:36:03 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:36:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 shop
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC19@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

 
I agree, I don't mind contributing time and creating digital procedures..
The yanks have got it going good, but import duty on their parts is
beginning to make me look more locally too.

Angus, how about setting up a contributory forum?  Maybe we can set up a
template for procedures, and a spreadsheet for parts, suppliers and prices,
and possibly alternative manufacturers...

This way, all the documents are easily imported into your site, from any
numbers of contributors...

Just a thought...

G
928s
________________________________________________
Gareth Croeser
SAP Basis
ITSIS Ltd
IT Centre
Cabinteely Dublin 18

+353 86 807 3538
+353 1 217 7155


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Armstrong [mailto:richard at ritech-systems.com] 
Sent: 02 October 2003 15:45
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928 shop

>I know but you get to the point of just wanting it fixed... Shall we 
>start a full service 928 shop? There are enough of us!!!

>I could buy an angle grinder with the difference to cut it to size. 
>Think 928 parts are on the up price wise ?
>Mark Armstrong


Now there is an interesting idea.
There are a number of people already on the group who have undertaken work
from servicing to complete engine/transmission rebuilds, and quite often
have good digi camera records. I, for on, am learning at the rate of knots,
and I fully expect to solve any problems I come across by tapping into the
knowledge base here and on the American 928 message board.
I will probably have a basic service performed by a reputable
OPC/Independent every year just to keep the service book stamp.

So, why not start a Technical notes database (I know there is already some
good stuff on the web page), and a parts/ equivalent /source database for
common items the OPCs charge a criminal amount for.
Ultimately this could lead to a certain amount of stocking for common items.

Sounds ambitious I know, and there will be cries of who, how, and where. 
I also do not know it there would be any legal implications.
But that's what good discussion groups are good at - pooling ideas and
resources.

I would be happy to donate some time as I work from home.

Comments?
Richard Armstrong



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From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Thu Oct  2 17:02:21 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:02:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC20@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

well, after nearly a year of having a pushed-in rear (thanks mr bulgarian
truck driver) and spending 6 months getting rather intimate with the engine,
she's back from the panel beaters...
 
god, she looks great.  the guy matched the colour perfectly and she looks
like new again.
 
so, happy days, i drive a Porsche again.. and not a banger...
 
before and after pix to follow...
 
g
extremely happy... :o)

________________________________________________

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SAP Basis

ITSIS Ltd

IT Centre

Cabinteely Dublin 18

 

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From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Thu Oct  2 17:24:13 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:24:13 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: She's back and beautiful
In-Reply-To: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC20@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>
References: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC20@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>
Message-ID: <E1A56FR-000FFo-Hn@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

Hi Gareth 

I have to admit I thought you were the unluckiest 928 owner on the list, 
well done getting your car back together, and no doubt learning far more 
than most of us ever will in the process. 

Cheers 

Paul 


Croeser, Gareth writes: 

> well, after nearly a year of having a pushed-in rear (thanks mr bulgarian
> truck driver) and spending 6 months getting rather intimate with the engine,
> she's back from the panel beaters...
>  
> god, she looks great.  the guy matched the colour perfectly and she looks
> like new again.
>  
> so, happy days, i drive a Porsche again.. and not a banger...
>  
> before and after pix to follow...
>  
> g
> extremely happy... :o) 
> 
> ________________________________________________ 
> 
> Gareth Croeser 
> 
> SAP Basis 
> 
> ITSIS Ltd 
> 
> IT Centre 
> 
> Cabinteely Dublin 18 
> 
>   
> 
> +353 86 807 3538 
> 
> +353 1 217 7155 
> 
>   
> 
>  
 



From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Thu Oct  2 17:28:37 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:28:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 Brakes
References: <002101c388f3$a33202a0$d60adccb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
Message-ID: <003801c38902$3c2b81d0$95444ed5@computername>

I think the later specs call for DOT 4, but DOT 5.1 is higher spec, and
might be more appropriate if you do lots of mountain passes. You should get
either in a motor accessory shop or service station.

Yes, to change the fluid you basically bleed the system until clean fluid
comes out of all the bleed points. You can help get all the old stuff out of
the callipers by pushing the pads back while opening the bleed nipples
(after you've already flushed clean fluid through). You should get through a
full litre of fluid.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vince" <porsche928 at dodo.com.au>
To: "'Paul R Smith'" <smiffypr at onetel.net.uk>; "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 Brakes


>
> Dear Smiffy,
>
> The fluid is due for a change!. What will be the recommended fluid? .
> Can it be a fluid you would purchase from a service station ? They sell
> all the popular brands.
> Never changed brake fluid b4 , :) I would think that you start by
> removing the fluid from the brake master cylinder , replace it with the
> new one and then bleed out the system until new fluid takes over ?.
> Suggestions ?
>
> Thanks Paul,
>
> Vince
>
>
>



From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Thu Oct  2 17:28:16 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:28:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] RE: She's back and beautiful
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC22@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

 thanks for that Paul.  I thought I was too.  But the funny thing is, I
reckon each of us think we're the unluckiest, when stuff goes wrong.  But as
soon as you're out and about, the orgasmic roar of the engine and the
admiring looks you get, cancels out all the problems...  I bet it's the same
for almost all classic sports car owners...

I have a funny feeling right down at the bottom of my guts just thinking
about it... Heh-heh

________________

-----Original Message-----
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com [mailto:ukkid35 at breathe.com] 
Sent: 02 October 2003 17:24
To: Croeser, Gareth
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: She's back and beautiful

Hi Gareth 

I have to admit I thought you were the unluckiest 928 owner on the list,
well done getting your car back together, and no doubt learning far more
than most of us ever will in the process. 
Cheers 

Paul 


Croeser, Gareth writes: 

> well, after nearly a year of having a pushed-in rear (thanks mr 
> bulgarian truck driver) and spending 6 months getting rather intimate 
> with the engine, she's back from the panel beaters...
>  
> god, she looks great.  the guy matched the colour perfectly and she 
> looks like new again.
>  
> so, happy days, i drive a Porsche again.. and not a banger...
>  
> before and after pix to follow...
>  
> g
> extremely happy... :o)
> 
> ________________________________________________
> 
> Gareth Croeser
> 
> SAP Basis
> 
> ITSIS Ltd
> 
> IT Centre
> 
> Cabinteely Dublin 18
> 
>   
> 
> +353 86 807 3538
> 
> +353 1 217 7155
> 
>   
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>  
 
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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Thu Oct  2 11:44:51 2003
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:44:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fw: [abdml] Fw: Petrol Up 5p - we need your help
Message-ID: <002a01c38911$118230a0$53132850@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Derek Reynolds
To: Abdml
Sent: 02 October 2003 06:57
Subject: [abdml] Fw: Petrol Up 5p - we need your help


I'll forward this as every liitle helps, and in case no-one has heard of
them:-
______________________

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil at FuelProtest.com" <neil at fuelprotest.com>


To derek reynolds - louise.reynolds at ntlworld.com

Hi derek

Back in 2000 you were kind enough to sign up at the www.fuelprotest.com
web
site.

Well as you may be aware, Gordon Brown will be putting a further
increase of
5p per gallon on fuel as of tomorrow (1st Oct 2003).

With little alternative to the car, 25,000,000 drivers are forced to pay
further stealth taxes.  Road users remain a soft target for easy
revenue.
>From congestion charging to the massive rise in speed cameras across the
UK,
all road users need to make a stand.

Due to the nature of this further increase, at a time when oil prices
are
also set to rise, we are starting a fresh petition.  This will be
presented
to Downing Street as soon as we manage to raise 1,000,000 people on our
e-petition.

We can't do this without your help.

If you feel that you would like to put your name to our new petition,
please
visit www.fuelprotest.com now and register your vote.  (Old votes from
2000
have been discarded).

Please pass this message on to as many people as you can within the UK.

Kind regards,

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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 20:59:41 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:59:41 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?
References: <004601c37b7b$c8d9b2d0$90ee6b51@martinscomputer><008301c388b8$5e65dd80$93ce7ad5@hppav>
	<002801c388da$fd8f9780$2dbc87d9@n7m9k7>
	<004e01c388e7$404cbe20$d9277ad5@hppav>
Message-ID: <006101c3891f$bb968060$51cf86d9@BRIERLEY>

Will do David, between which junctions number is Warwick services?

Andrew
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Porter 
  To: Andrew Brierley ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?


  Hi Andrew

  Sounds like you'll be full of coffee by the time you hit Birmingham. Probably best to meet at the Warwick Services on the M40. I'll aim to be there at 1015. Give me a call as you're leaving Hilton.

  David
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Andrew Brierley 
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:42 PM
    Subject: Re: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?


    Hi David

    I am meeting Mike Gibbons and possibly David Hemmings at Knutsford services 8.30a.m. then Chris Clark at Hilton Park services for a cup of coffee. So Should be leaving Hilton by 9.45a.m. - subject to traffic.
    We will the then head down the M6/M42/M40. Maybe we could meet at a services on the M40?

    Andrew


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David Porter 
      To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
      Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:39 AM
      Subject: Re: [928uk] Tilford 2003 - via Birmingham?


      Targeting the North West contingent. Anyone want to meet / re-group on the way South around the M42/M40? Suspect the Nat Motorcycle Museum may be difficult after the recent fire. What time are people travelling?

      David '90 S4
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Martin Dunks 
        To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
        Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:23 PM
        Subject: [928uk] Fw: Tilford 2003


        To all on the 928UK list, this is a 928 meeting being organised by PCGB member Stewart Wren for SATURDAY 4th OCT. at Tilford Surrey (10 miles from Guildford) Last year we had 32 (I think) cars parked on the village green/cricket pitch outside a lovely old pub, plenty of space left for more (60 are coming so far this year ). Please contact Stewart at  G47005 at exchange.uk.com  so Stewart has an idea of No's coming
         The Multimap location is
        http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=480000&Y=140000&width=700&height=400&client=public&gride=487294&gridn=143467&keepicon=false&coordsys=gb&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&scale=200000&upright.x=7&upright.y=20
        Dear fellow 928 owners,

        I am pleased to say that the British contingent all negotiated the 'Ring safely at the Euro 928 meeting . Who would like to take on the challenge of running this event in the UK next year ?

        Meanwhile, the latest update for Tilford follows with 3 weeks to go, getting close to that magic 60 mark. Who else is out there ?? ...............



        Tilford 2003. GU10 2BU

        Saturday 4th October.



        Trevor Peddle +1 or +2

        Martin Dunks

        Adrian Hayes '91 GT

        James Sweeting +1

        Jon Jeffryes '79 Auto

        David Randall

        Alex Day

        Jon Jeffries

        Clifford Biddlecombe '88 S4 SE

        Trevor Moorcraft + 3

        Ian Russell +1

        Brendan O'Callahan S4

        Graham Orr '91 S4

        Rob Burrell & Katherine '90 GT

        Stewart Wren & Sue '79 Auto

        Andrew Le Blanc Smith 928S SIA9280

        John Symes 928GTS manual

        Peter Noble

        Paul Stevens '87 S4 Manual

        Mike Richards

        Steve Senior '82 928S LHD Auto.

        Terry Rockall

        Paul Redgrave 90 S4

        Alex Popov '84 S2

        Carl Hender '87 &'88 S4 Auto's

        Kenrick Ramlochen '90 S4 

        PETER ROWE 928 TECHNICAL --- Rivervale Porsche, Brighton.

        George Layton '95 GTS

        John Vaughn '78 Auto First Import to UK

        Lawrence Abbot '79 Auto

        Nigel Jackson GTS

        Andy and Karen Crowther '82 S

        Alistair Cameron

        Andrew Brierley '90 S4 or '91 GT PCGB 928 Register editor

        Dave and Sam Dooley '90 GT

        Mike Gibbons '88 S4

        Chris Clarke S2

        Charles & Denise Van Asma '80 Auto

        Diederik de Vilder '82 S Auto

        David Adler & Evelyne S2

        William Robertson '79 Auto

        Michelle Robertson S4

        Peter Ward '92 GT Manual

        Kingsley Sawyers '91GT

        Simon Hawkins '85 S2

        Nick Carrington '83 S

        Ralph {Mac} Maclean 

        Ian Macleod S4

        Richard Allen '86 S2

        Peter Spooner '89 S4

        Jeremy Napier S2

        Suzanne Napier S4

        Steve Fitchett

        Barry & Karen Angus '86 S2

        David Campion S4

        John Mabbott '90 GT

        Nick & Rachel McKenna GT

        John Speake ` '86 S2 {Provisioal}

        Mel Thomas {Provisional}

        Scot Walker {Provisional}

        ADRIAN CLARK 928 TECHNICAL, 928 PCGB REGISTER {provisional}

        If I have missed any one, please confirm.

        Thanks.

        Stewart.



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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 21:07:13 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:07:13 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 Sale
Message-ID: <009701c38920$c728bb40$51cf86d9@BRIERLEY>

Sold my S4 this evening for full asking price. The purchaser saw my car on
the 928UK web-site the first day it was put up  there. I have had a lot of
interest.
Many thanks to Angus, this is obviously the way to sell a 928.

Andrew



From porsche928 at dodo.com.au  Fri Oct  3 00:47:25 2003
From: porsche928 at dodo.com.au (Vince)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:47:25 +1000
Subject: [928uk] 928 Brakes
In-Reply-To: <003801c38902$3c2b81d0$95444ed5@computername>
Message-ID: <001601c3893f$9d4b7960$d60adccb@vincenjrxvbh5j>


Dear Paul,

Thank you for information. When I get a chance after my service (never
ending work on cars :) ) , I'll get stuck into the brake fluid.

Cheers,

Vince (Mint Green '80)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Paul R Smith {snip}





From angusf at mac.com  Fri Oct  3 08:47:59 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:47:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
In-Reply-To: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
Message-ID: <E8FB0DA2-F575-11D7-9078-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

I use EBC Green pads on my 928 and my RS2. No fade on a track day, and 
good as ever on road use.
These pads dont eat the discs like Porsche pads do.

see www.928.org.uk/brakes

Angus
89GT

On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Vince wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. 
> Genuine Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a 
> mountain which required more than the average braking and the brake 
> failed!. Another words that I had my foot to the floor and it was 
> still rolling (slowly) b4 it came to a stop. I would assume that it?s 
> the brake pads because when I eventually got to the bottom of the 
> mountain , gave it some time to cool down and it was back to normal.
>
> Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out 
> of those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise 
> (water on disk)..car doesn?t stop easy and then dries up and brakes go 
> back to normal.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Vince (Mint Green ?80 Aus)
>
> ?
>
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From paul.berridge at virgin.net  Fri Oct  3 09:16:36 2003
From: paul.berridge at virgin.net (Paul Berridge)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:16:36 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
References: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
Message-ID: <000201c38986$dc05daa0$81ddfea9@pc1>

RE: [928uk] 928 GT WheelsJust to throw my 2p worth into the brake debate,
       using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance. We use genuine parts on all our work cars as you would expect and the Vauxhalls all cook their fluid and fry their pads after about 15 minutes hard use.  When we had the Volvo T5's this was also the case but the bosses upgraded those brakes to BTCC spec and unsurprisingly they were much better. We have recently taken delivery of Mercedes C and E class, and at present they seem OK ( Mercedes have given us a 3 year unlimited milage warranty which is extrememly brave, to put it mildly)

We have our brake fluid changed, and the discs and pads checked after every pursuit if we have experienced any brake problems, as a safeguard.( After a 20 minute tussle with a GSXR750 we had to have both cars discs and pads replaced on all four corners because of the wear they had had. I joke not, that it is quite possible to get the discs glowing red like the carbon racing ones - very scary ! )

The pads can also glaze off reducing the friction and decreasing the performance - hence the checking of them every time. I doubt that anyone would drive their own car this hard but there is nowt so strange as folk.

Happy 928 motoring

Paul B.
87 S4 ( and different types of works cars)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vince 
  To: 'Walker, Scott' ; citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au ; landshark at yahoogroups.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels


  Hi All,

  Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. Genuine Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain which required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another words that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly) b4 it came to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because when I eventually got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time to cool down and it was back to normal.

  Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out of those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise (water on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go back to normal.

  Any suggestions?

  Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus)

   



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From angusf at mac.com  Fri Oct  3 09:31:28 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:31:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 shop
In-Reply-To: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC19@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>
Message-ID: <FBE25A0A-F57B-11D7-8B4D-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

I've suggested this before. Im reluctant to put up forum software 
because the list works well and I would have to monitor and maintain it.
However I think we could easily have section owners for the site who 
can collate content...
There could be a procedures section a  parts section a rare models 
section a colours section and probably more that I havenet thought of

Any volunteers...

Angus
--
On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 04:36 PM, Croeser, Gareth wrote:

> ?
> I agree, I don't mind contributing time and creating digital 
> procedures.. The yanks have got it going good, but import duty on 
> their parts is beginning to make me look more locally too.
>
> Angus, how about setting up a contributory forum?? Maybe we can set up 
> a template for procedures, and a spreadsheet for parts, suppliers and 
> prices, and possibly alternative manufacturers...
>
> This way, all the documents are easily imported into your site, from 
> any numbers of contributors...
>
> Just a thought...
>
> G
> 928s
> ________________________________________________
> Gareth Croeser
> SAP Basis
> ITSIS Ltd
> IT Centre
> Cabinteely Dublin 18
>
> +353 86 807 3538
> +353 1 217 7155
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Armstrong [mailto:richard at ritech-systems.com]
> Sent: 02 October 2003 15:45
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] 928 shop
>
> >I know but you get to the point of just wanting it fixed... Shall we
> >start a full service 928 shop? There are enough of us!!!
>
> >I could buy an angle grinder with the difference to cut it to size.
> >Think 928 parts are on the up price wise ?
> >Mark Armstrong
>
>
> Now there is an interesting idea.
> There are a number of people already on the group who have undertaken 
> work from servicing to complete engine/transmission rebuilds, and 
> quite often have good digi camera records. I, for on, am learning at 
> the rate of knots, and I fully expect to solve any problems I come 
> across by tapping into the knowledge base here and on the American 928 
> message board.
>
> I will probably have a basic service performed by a reputable 
> OPC/Independent every year just to keep the service book stamp.
>
> So, why not start a Technical notes database (I know there is already 
> some good stuff on the web page), and a parts/ equivalent /source 
> database for common items the OPCs charge a criminal amount for.
>
> Ultimately this could lead to a certain amount of stocking for common 
> items.
>
> Sounds ambitious I know, and there will be cries of who, how, and 
> where.
> I also do not know it there would be any legal implications.
> But that's what good discussion groups are good at - pooling ideas and 
> resources.
>
> I would be happy to donate some time as I work from home.
>
> Comments?
> Richard Armstrong
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>
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From paul.berridge at virgin.net  Fri Oct  3 09:53:22 2003
From: paul.berridge at virgin.net (Paul Berridge)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:53:22 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Mirror glass
Message-ID: <001c01c3898b$e526f1a0$81ddfea9@pc1>

If anyone breaks a flag shape mirror glass and wants a cheap fix, I have found that the nearest stick on replacement shape is from a Rover 800. ( ?1.97 from Maccess )

Paul B.
87 S4 -  with rear views now available
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From Owen928S4 at aol.com  Fri Oct  3 10:38:47 2003
From: Owen928S4 at aol.com (Owen928S4 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 05:38:47 EDT
Subject: [928uk] 'Colours' section
Message-ID: <195.2071993b.2cae9da7@aol.com>


If you do have one, can it include Tahoe Blue, which isn't on the present 
website list? I know we're freaks but we do exist and someone has to love us!


Owen
Tahoe Blue '91 S4
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:45:58 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:45:58 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Evening all
In-Reply-To: <000201c38986$dc05daa0$81ddfea9@pc1>
References: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
	<000201c38986$dc05daa0$81ddfea9@pc1>
Message-ID: <35jxizMWVUf$EwYt@ritech-systems.com>

Just goes to show that the police are hooligans!
Have you put a blue flashing light on the S4 yet Paul?
Now that would make the tabloids!
Rich A


<paul.berridge at virgin.net> writes
>Just to throw my 2p worth into the brake debate,
>????? ?using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance. We use
>genuine parts on all our work cars as you would expect and the Vauxhalls
>all cook their fluid and fry their pads after about 15 minutes hard use.?
>When we had the Volvo T5's this was also the case but the bosses
>upgraded those brakes to BTCC spec and unsurprisingly they were much
>better. We have recently taken delivery of Mercedes?C and E class, and at
>present they seem OK ( Mercedes have given us a 3 year unlimited milage
>warranty which is extrememly brave, to put it mildly)
>?
>We have our brake fluid changed, and the discs and pads checked after
>every pursuit if we have experienced any brake problems, as a safeguard.(?
>After a 20 minute tussle with a GSXR750 we had to have both cars discs
>and pads replaced on all four corners because of the wear they had had. I
>joke not, that it is quite possible to get the discs glowing red like the
>carbon racing ones - very scary ! )
>?
>The pads can also glaze off reducing the friction and decreasing the
>performance - hence the checking of them every time. I doubt that anyone
>would drive their own car this hard but there is nowt so strange as folk.
>?
>Happy 928 motoring
>?
>Paul B.
>87 S4 ( and different types of works cars)
>?


From richard at ritech-systems.com  Fri Oct  3 10:52:00 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:52:00 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 shop
In-Reply-To: <FBE25A0A-F57B-11D7-8B4D-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>
References: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC19@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>
	<FBE25A0A-F57B-11D7-8B4D-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>
Message-ID: <tZG36iNAbUf$EwY6@ritech-systems.com>

Having stuck my hand up I had better back it up with a yes.
Not sure exactly what will be involved though.
I think your name was on the Tilford meet - will catch up then-
I need some advice with my surging problem anyway
Look out for H281 JLK
Richard



In message <FBE25A0A-F57B-11D7-8B4D-0050E4C05D73 at mac.com>, 
angusf at mac.com writes
>I've suggested this before. Im reluctant to put up forum software 
>because the list works well and I would have to monitor and maintain 
>it.
>However I think we could easily have section owners for the site who 
>can collate content...
>There could be a procedures section a  parts section a rare models 
>section a colours section and probably more that I havenet thought of
>
>Any volunteers...
>
>Angus
>--
>On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 04:36 PM, Croeser, Gareth wrote:
>
>?
>I agree, I don't mind contributing time and creating digital 
>procedures.. The yanks have got it going good, but import duty on their 
>parts is beginning to make me look more locally too.
>
>Angus, how about setting up a contributory forum?? Maybe we can set up 
>a template for procedures, and a spreadsheet for parts, suppliers and 
>prices, and possibly alternative manufacturers...
>
>This way, all the documents are easily imported into your site, from 
>any numbers of contributors...
>
>Just a thought...
>
>G
>928s
>________________________________________________
>Gareth Croeser
>SAP Basis
>ITSIS Ltd
>IT Centre
>Cabinteely Dublin 18
>
>+353 86 807 3538
>+353 1 217 7155
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Armstrong [mailto:richard at ritech-systems.com]
>Sent: 02 October 2003 15:45
>To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: [928uk] 928 shop
>
>>I know but you get to the point of just wanting it fixed... Shall we
>>start a full service 928 shop? There are enough of us!!!
>
>>I could buy an angle grinder with the difference to cut it to size.
>>Think 928 parts are on the up price wise ?
>>Mark Armstrong
>
>
>Now there is an interesting idea.
>There are a number of people already on the group who have undertaken 
>work from servicing to complete engine/transmission rebuilds, and quite 
>often have good digi camera records. I, for on, am learning at the rate 
>of knots, and I fully expect to solve any problems I come across by 
>tapping into the knowledge base here and on the American 928 message board.
>
>I will probably have a basic service performed by a reputable 
>OPC/Independent every year just to keep the service book stamp.
>
>So, why not start a Technical notes database (I know there is already 
>some good stuff on the web page), and a parts/ equivalent /source 
>database for common items the OPCs charge a criminal amount for.
>
>Ultimately this could lead to a certain amount of stocking for common 
>items.
>
>Sounds ambitious I know, and there will be cries of who, how, and 
>where.
>I also do not know it there would be any legal implications.
>But that's what good discussion groups are good at - pooling ideas and 
>resources.
>
>I would be happy to donate some time as I work from home.
>
>Comments?
>Richard Armstrong
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>_______________________________________________
>928uk mailing list
>928uk at 928.org.uk
>http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk

-- 
RITECH Systems Ltd

Tel: 01380 818094
Fax: 01380 818099
Mob: 07702 541137


From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Fri Oct  3 11:24:26 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:24:26 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: GT Brakes / fade
In-Reply-To: <000201c38986$dc05daa0$81ddfea9@pc1>
References: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
	<000201c38986$dc05daa0$81ddfea9@pc1>
Message-ID: <E1A5N6o-0004Wi-8i@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

I was driving my previous car (not a 928) quite hard but unladen through the 
Pyranees, at the point at which my brakes gave up (with plenty of warning) I 
got out of the car and took a video of the glowing red front discs, and pads 
which actually had a little flame emanating from them. 

The discs subsequently developed a fracture, which you could feel through 
the brake pedal, fortunately they didn't fail catastrophically. 

Paul 

V6 Capri (at the time) 


Paul Berridge writes: 

> RE: [928uk] 928 GT WheelsJust to throw my 2p worth into the brake debate,
>        using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance. We use genuine parts on all our work cars as you would expect and the Vauxhalls all cook their fluid and fry their pads after about 15 minutes hard use.  When we had the Volvo T5's this was also the case but the bosses upgraded those brakes to BTCC spec and unsurprisingly they were much better. We have recently taken delivery of Mercedes C and E class, and at present they seem OK ( Mercedes have given us a 3 year unlimited milage warranty which is extrememly brave, to put it mildly) 
> 
> We have our brake fluid changed, and the discs and pads checked after every pursuit if we have experienced any brake problems, as a safeguard.( After a 20 minute tussle with a GSXR750 we had to have both cars discs and pads replaced on all four corners because of the wear they had had. I joke not, that it is quite possible to get the discs glowing red like the carbon racing ones - very scary ! ) 
> 
> The pads can also glaze off reducing the friction and decreasing the performance - hence the checking of them every time. I doubt that anyone would drive their own car this hard but there is nowt so strange as folk. 
> 
> Happy 928 motoring 
> 
> Paul B.
> 87 S4 ( and different types of works cars) 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Vince 
>   To: 'Walker, Scott' ; citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au ; landshark at yahoogroups.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk 
>   Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:35 AM
>   Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels 
> 
> 
>   Hi All, 
> 
>   Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. Genuine Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain which required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another words that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly) b4 it came to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because when I eventually got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time to cool down and it was back to normal. 
> 
>   Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out of those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise (water on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go back to normal. 
> 
>   Any suggestions? 
> 
>   Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus) 
> 
>     
> 
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> 
> 
>   _______________________________________________
>   928uk mailing list
>   928uk at 928.org.uk
>   http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 
> 
 



From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Fri Oct  3 12:55:20 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:55:20 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: GT Brakes / fade
References: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j><000201c38986$dc05daa0$81ddfea9@pc1>
	<E1A5N6o-0004Wi-8i@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <006801c389a5$39c13b80$67ac4ed5@computername>

Yes, I had one of those too (a '72, with a bit extra power, and solid
discs).

>From top speed to a standstill once was enough to get the discs glowing and
fading.

It was when I sat down and worked out what it would cost to uprate the
suspension and brakes that I decided it would be cheaper to buy a Porsche.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ukkid35 at breathe.com>
To: "928 mail list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Cc: "928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:24 AM
Subject: [928uk] Re: GT Brakes / fade


> I was driving my previous car (not a 928) quite hard but unladen through
the
> Pyranees, at the point at which my brakes gave up (with plenty of warning)
I
> got out of the car and took a video of the glowing red front discs, and
pads
> which actually had a little flame emanating from them.
>
> The discs subsequently developed a fracture, which you could feel through
> the brake pedal, fortunately they didn't fail catastrophically.
>
> Paul
>
> V6 Capri (at the time)
>
>
> Paul Berridge writes:
>
> > RE: [928uk] 928 GT WheelsJust to throw my 2p worth into the brake
debate,
> >        using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance. We
use genuine parts on all our work cars as you would expect and the Vauxhalls
all cook their fluid and fry their pads after about 15 minutes hard use.
When we had the Volvo T5's this was also the case but the bosses upgraded
those brakes to BTCC spec and unsurprisingly they were much better. We have
recently taken delivery of Mercedes C and E class, and at present they seem
OK ( Mercedes have given us a 3 year unlimited milage warranty which is
extrememly brave, to put it mildly)
> >
> > We have our brake fluid changed, and the discs and pads checked after
every pursuit if we have experienced any brake problems, as a safeguard.(
After a 20 minute tussle with a GSXR750 we had to have both cars discs and
pads replaced on all four corners because of the wear they had had. I joke
not, that it is quite possible to get the discs glowing red like the carbon
racing ones - very scary ! )
> >
> > The pads can also glaze off reducing the friction and decreasing the
performance - hence the checking of them every time. I doubt that anyone
would drive their own car this hard but there is nowt so strange as folk.
> >
> > Happy 928 motoring
> >
> > Paul B.
> > 87 S4 ( and different types of works cars)
> >
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Vince
> >   To: 'Walker, Scott' ; citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au ;
landshark at yahoogroups.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >   Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:35 AM
> >   Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels
> >
> >
> >   Hi All,
> >
> >   Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?.
Genuine Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain
which required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another
words that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly) b4
it came to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because when I
eventually got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time to cool
down and it was back to normal.
> >
> >   Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out
of those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise
(water on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go back
to normal.
> >
> >   Any suggestions?
> >
> >   Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---- 
> >
> >
> >   _______________________________________________
> >   928uk mailing list
> >   928uk at 928.org.uk
> >   http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>



From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Fri Oct  3 12:52:11 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:52:11 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
References: <002101c388c8$8a5a8250$8f34c2cb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
	<000201c38986$dc05daa0$81ddfea9@pc1>
Message-ID: <006201c389a4$c9219910$67ac4ed5@computername>

I would guess that a session on the track is harder on brakes than even one
of your pursuits where your speed is moderated by roadside hazards etc, but
there's probably not much in it. With that in mind, I can say that standard
Porsche brakes stand up to track use very well. My 1980, with the single
piston callipers, will suffer some fade after about 20 minutes on the track
in hot weather, but with no lasting damage. The only cracked (Porsche) discs
I've had were below the wear limit.

I think that Vauxhalls are at the other extreme, i.e. not even up to normal
road use.

In between, I do remember a track day, where a guy had his 280bhp AWD Audi
estate there, and his brakes faded after one lap.

I must remember your message next time I'm being chased, make the pursuers
wear their brakes out. Damn, just remembered they've got that helicopter
now!

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
To: "Vince" <porsche928 at dodo.com.au>; "928 mail list" <928uk at 928.org.uk>;
"928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade


RE: [928uk] 928 GT WheelsJust to throw my 2p worth into the brake debate,
       using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance. We use
genuine parts on all our work cars as you would expect and the Vauxhalls all
cook their fluid and fry their pads after about 15 minutes hard use.  When
we had the Volvo T5's this was also the case but the bosses upgraded those
brakes to BTCC spec and unsurprisingly they were much better. We have
recently taken delivery of Mercedes C and E class, and at present they seem
OK ( Mercedes have given us a 3 year unlimited milage warranty which is
extrememly brave, to put it mildly)

We have our brake fluid changed, and the discs and pads checked after every
pursuit if we have experienced any brake problems, as a safeguard.( After a
20 minute tussle with a GSXR750 we had to have both cars discs and pads
replaced on all four corners because of the wear they had had. I joke not,
that it is quite possible to get the discs glowing red like the carbon
racing ones - very scary ! )

The pads can also glaze off reducing the friction and decreasing the
performance - hence the checking of them every time. I doubt that anyone
would drive their own car this hard but there is nowt so strange as folk.

Happy 928 motoring

Paul B.
87 S4 ( and different types of works cars)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vince
  To: 'Walker, Scott' ; citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au ;
landshark at yahoogroups.com ; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 GT Wheels


  Hi All,

  Just wondering what type of brakepads would you use on the 928?. Genuine
Porsche pads or some generic brand?. I was coming down a mountain which
required more than the average braking and the brake failed!. Another words
that I had my foot to the floor and it was still rolling (slowly) b4 it came
to a stop. I would assume that it's the brake pads because when I eventually
got to the bottom of the mountain , gave it some time to cool down and it
was back to normal.

  Another situation when I just finished washing the car , drive it out of
those D.I.Y car washes , brake then I hear this loud gripping noise (water
on disk)..car doesn't stop easy and then dries up and brakes go back to
normal.

  Any suggestions?

  Vince (Mint Green '80 Aus)





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From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Fri Oct  3 00:19:34 2003
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:19:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 Sale
References: <009701c38920$c728bb40$51cf86d9@BRIERLEY>
Message-ID: <000001c389a9$0f0574c0$b4c4e150@oemcomputer>

Congrats Andrew.

Is the proud new owner going to come along to Tilford ??

If it sold so quickly, are you now wondering if you should have asked
for more ??

George.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andrew Brierley
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 02 October 2003 21:07
  Subject: [928uk] S4 Sale


  Sold my S4 this evening for full asking price. The purchaser saw my
car on
  the 928UK web-site the first day it was put up  there. I have had a
lot of
  interest.
  Many thanks to Angus, this is obviously the way to sell a 928.

  Andrew

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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 13:43:13 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:43:13 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 Sale
References: <009701c38920$c728bb40$51cf86d9@BRIERLEY>
	<000001c389a9$0f0574c0$b4c4e150@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001f01c389ab$ebee9400$04b987d9@n7m9k7>

Exactly George, had a few phone calls, could I have got more??
No he won't be going to Tilfrod, he's not picking the car up until next
week.

Andrew

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From: "George Layton" <George.Layton at ukgateway.net>
To: "928UK" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] S4 Sale


> Congrats Andrew.
>
> Is the proud new owner going to come along to Tilford ??
>
> If it sold so quickly, are you now wondering if you should have asked
> for more ??
>
> George.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Andrew Brierley
>   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   Sent: 02 October 2003 21:07
>   Subject: [928uk] S4 Sale
>
>
>   Sold my S4 this evening for full asking price. The purchaser saw my
> car on
>   the 928UK web-site the first day it was put up  there. I have had a
> lot of
>   interest.
>   Many thanks to Angus, this is obviously the way to sell a 928.
>
>   Andrew
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Fri Oct  3 14:51:46 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:51:46 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA37@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight that
Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the business"
for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts (discs/pads) on
mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a track day in 35 degree
heat!).

As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of the scale
[i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do for road
use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake parts vs.
Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.

Scott '91 GT

P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid either... the
"other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR Cerbera) is a
"performance car" with decent brake parts - but according to owner reports
in the club magazine, they easily fry pads/warp discs due to the poor design
of air cooling/ducting to the brakes. Glad I bought a well-engineered car...

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk]

 I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very well.....
The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the wear limit.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>

RE:  using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance.
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Fri Oct  3 15:36:00 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:36:00 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] FW: Tilford 2003 - Final Details
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA39@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Adrian - it's 11.30am onward at Barley Mow pub
[http://www.thebarleymowtilford.com] in Tilford village (just outside
Farnham). Park up "on the green" (ramps provided!).
 
Stewart's "final" attendee list & additional info is in the attached Word
doc.
 
Hope to see you there!
 
Scott '91 GT

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Sent: 03 October 2003 15:10
To: 'David Porter'; 'Walker, Scott'; '928. Org. Uk (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [928uk] FW: Tilford 2003



I know I've missed this entire thread. What time is it starting tomorrow?

 

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From info at jdsporsche.com  Fri Oct  3 16:05:56 2003
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:05:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 'Colours' section
References: <195.2071993b.2cae9da7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c389bf$d9521560$25bfbeac@default>


If you do have one, can it include Tahoe Blue, which isn't on the present website list? I know we're freaks but we do exist and someone has to love us!


Owen
Tahoe Blue '91 S4 
  What's the code number for that colour, Owen ?

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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 16:40:31 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:40:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
References: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA37@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>
Message-ID: <005d01c389c4$aff88140$9f8987d9@n7m9k7>

RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fadeI posted a mail a couple of weeks ago about the SBS brake pads that Chris Sanderson put on the front of my GT. I have continued to be impressed with these pads finding they pull the car up better that the standard pads. 
I'll let you know jus how good after the track day at Oulton Park next week.

Andrew
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walker, Scott 
  To: '928uk at 928.org.uk' 
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade


  Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight that Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the business" for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts (discs/pads) on mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a track day in 35 degree heat!).

  As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of the scale [i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do for road use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake parts vs. Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.

  Scott '91 GT 

  P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid either... the "other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR Cerbera) is a "performance car" with decent brake parts - but according to owner reports in the club magazine, they easily fry pads/warp discs due to the poor design of air cooling/ducting to the brakes. Glad I bought a well-engineered car...

  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk] 

   I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very well..... The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the wear limit.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net> 

  RE:  using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance. 
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From paul.berridge at virgin.net  Fri Oct  3 16:52:38 2003
From: paul.berridge at virgin.net (Paul Berridge)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:52:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
References: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA37@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>
	<005d01c389c4$aff88140$9f8987d9@n7m9k7>
Message-ID: <003201c389c6$7a023200$81ddfea9@pc1>

RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fadeYes, I have to agree, Vauxhall is hardly in the same league as Porsche. If only they would give a Porsche as a patrol car !!

Dream,Dream

Paul B
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andrew Brierley 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade


  I posted a mail a couple of weeks ago about the SBS brake pads that Chris Sanderson put on the front of my GT. I have continued to be impressed with these pads finding they pull the car up better that the standard pads. 
  I'll let you know jus how good after the track day at Oulton Park next week.

  Andrew
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Walker, Scott 
    To: '928uk at 928.org.uk' 
    Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
    Subject: RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade


    Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight that Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the business" for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts (discs/pads) on mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a track day in 35 degree heat!).

    As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of the scale [i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do for road use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake parts vs. Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.

    Scott '91 GT 

    P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid either... the "other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR Cerbera) is a "performance car" with decent brake parts - but according to owner reports in the club magazine, they easily fry pads/warp discs due to the poor design of air cooling/ducting to the brakes. Glad I bought a well-engineered car...

    -----Original Message----- 
    From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk] 

     I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very well..... The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the wear limit.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
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From paul.berridge at virgin.net  Fri Oct  3 17:04:22 2003
From: paul.berridge at virgin.net (Paul Berridge)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:04:22 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford - South West contingent.
Message-ID: <003701c389c8$03d8a4e0$81ddfea9@pc1>

Richard (Strosek) and I will be attending Tilford. We are meeting at the following places :-

09.00  Junction 18 M4, layby on A46
10.00  Chieveley Services ( M4 junction 13 )

We intend to take a leisurely drive down through Newbury, through Basingstoke onto the M3 from Jtn 5 to 6 and get to Tilford for around 1100 - 1130.

The more the merrier. Mobile number for me 07977 482061. If you want to meet up along the way give me a ring suggesting a time and place to fit in with the above.

See you there - pray for the sun !            

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From stuart928gt at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  3 18:04:41 2003
From: stuart928gt at hotmail.com (stuart hickmott)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:04:41 +0000
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
Message-ID: <Law12-F120sJWuRnH9m0000eb14@hotmail.com>

Didnt essex cop shop try out the 911 turbo and RS 200 back in the 80's.


stuart

GT


>From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
>To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>,   "928 mail list" 
><928uk at 928.org.uk>, "928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
>Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:52:38 +0100
>
>RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fadeYes, I have to agree, Vauxhall is hardly in the 
>same league as Porsche. If only they would give a Porsche as a patrol car 
>!!
>
>Dream,Dream
>
>Paul B
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Andrew Brierley
>   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:40 PM
>   Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
>
>
>   I posted a mail a couple of weeks ago about the SBS brake pads that 
>Chris Sanderson put on the front of my GT. I have continued to be impressed 
>with these pads finding they pull the car up better that the standard pads.
>   I'll let you know jus how good after the track day at Oulton Park next 
>week.
>
>   Andrew
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Walker, Scott
>     To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
>     Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
>     Subject: RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
>
>
>     Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight 
>that Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the 
>business" for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts 
>(discs/pads) on mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a track 
>day in 35 degree heat!).
>
>     As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of the 
>scale [i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do for 
>road use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake parts vs. 
>Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.
>
>     Scott '91 GT
>
>     P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid 
>either... the "other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR Cerbera) 
>is a "performance car" with decent brake parts - but according to owner 
>reports in the club magazine, they easily fry pads/warp discs due to the 
>poor design of air cooling/ducting to the brakes. Glad I bought a 
>well-engineered car...
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk]
>
>      I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very 
>well..... The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the wear 
>limit.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
>
>     RE:  using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance.
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From paul.berridge at virgin.net  Fri Oct  3 18:43:51 2003
From: paul.berridge at virgin.net (Paul Berridge)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:43:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
References: <Law12-F120sJWuRnH9m0000eb14@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c389d5$e9aa5740$81ddfea9@pc1>

We have tried all sorts of stuff in the past. The problem is either that it
breaks or, given our milage, it needs servicing so often it spends more time
in the workshop than on the road.

Belgian traffic use 911's. Very cool with  their raybans.

Paul B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart hickmott" <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>
To: <paul.berridge at virgin.net>; <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>;
<928uk at 928.org.uk>; <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade


> Didnt essex cop shop try out the 911 turbo and RS 200 back in the 80's.
>
>
> stuart
>
> GT
>
>
> >From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
> >To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>,   "928 mail list"
> ><928uk at 928.org.uk>, "928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:52:38 +0100
> >
> >RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fadeYes, I have to agree, Vauxhall is hardly in
the
> >same league as Porsche. If only they would give a Porsche as a patrol car
> >!!
> >
> >Dream,Dream
> >
> >Paul B
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Andrew Brierley
> >   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >   Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:40 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> >
> >
> >   I posted a mail a couple of weeks ago about the SBS brake pads that
> >Chris Sanderson put on the front of my GT. I have continued to be
impressed
> >with these pads finding they pull the car up better that the standard
pads.
> >   I'll let you know jus how good after the track day at Oulton Park next
> >week.
> >
> >   Andrew
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Walker, Scott
> >     To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
> >     Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
> >     Subject: RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> >
> >
> >     Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight
> >that Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the
> >business" for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts
> >(discs/pads) on mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a
track
> >day in 35 degree heat!).
> >
> >     As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of
the
> >scale [i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do
for
> >road use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake parts vs.
> >Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.
> >
> >     Scott '91 GT
> >
> >     P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid
> >either... the "other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR
Cerbera)
> >is a "performance car" with decent brake parts - but according to owner
> >reports in the club magazine, they easily fry pads/warp discs due to the
> >poor design of air cooling/ducting to the brakes. Glad I bought a
> >well-engineered car...
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk]
> >
> >      I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very
> >well..... The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the wear
> >limit.
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
> >
> >     RE:  using genuine parts is no guarantee of superior performance.
> >     =======================================================
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From angusf at mac.com  Fri Oct  3 18:58:37 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:58:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 Sale
In-Reply-To: <000001c389a9$0f0574c0$b4c4e150@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3661AE27-F5CB-11D7-8B4D-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>


I think the reason Andrews car sold so quickly is he got the 
price/condition equation just right.
I think we all know the condition Andrew keeps his cars in and this 
plus the great colour combination compensated for the mileage.

All in all I cant see more money in an S4 than Andrew achieved....

Just my opinion though

Angus
--

On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 12:19 AM, George Layton wrote:

> Congrats Andrew.
>
> Is the proud new owner going to come along to Tilford ??
>
> If it sold so quickly, are you now wondering if you should have asked
> for more ??
>
> George.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Andrew Brierley
>   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>   Sent: 02 October 2003 21:07
>   Subject: [928uk] S4 Sale
>
>
>   Sold my S4 this evening for full asking price. The purchaser saw my
> car on
>   the 928UK web-site the first day it was put up  there. I have had a
> lot of
>   interest.
>   Many thanks to Angus, this is obviously the way to sell a 928.
>
>   Andrew
>
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From angusf at mac.com  Fri Oct  3 19:00:21 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:00:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
In-Reply-To: <003201c389c6$7a023200$81ddfea9@pc1>
Message-ID: <74E88920-F5CB-11D7-8B4D-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

The Met had a 968 Club sport for a while.. Got chatting to the blokes 
in it.. The rear was full of cones and other traffic related gubbins... 
They seemed to enjoy it...

Angus
--
On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 04:52 PM, Paul Berridge wrote:

> Yes, I have to agree, Vauxhall is hardly in the same league as 
> Porsche. If only they would give a Porsche as a patrol car !!
> ?
> Dream,Dream
> ?
> Paul B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Brierley
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
>
> I posted a mail a couple of weeks ago about the SBS brake pads that 
> Chris Sanderson put on the front of my GT. I have continued to be 
> impressed with these pads finding they pull the car up better that the 
> standard pads.
> I'll let you know jus how good after the track day at Oulton Park next 
> week.
> ?
> Andrew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Walker, Scott
> To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
>
> Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight 
> that Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the 
> business" for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts 
> (discs/pads) on mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a 
> track day in 35 degree heat!).
>
> As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of the 
> scale [i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do 
> for road use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake 
> parts vs. Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.
>
> Scott '91 GT
>
> P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid 
> either... the "other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR 
> Cerbera) is a "performance car" with decent brake parts - but 
> according to owner reports in the club magazine, they easily fry 
> pads/warp discs due to the poor design of air cooling/ducting to the 
> brakes. Glad I bought a well-engineered car...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk]
>
> ?I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very 
> well..... The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the 
> wear limit.
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> From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
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From corinnepage at btopenworld.com  Fri Oct  3 20:50:31 2003
From: corinnepage at btopenworld.com (Corinne Page)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:50:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: Tilford 2003/PCGB
References: <000d01c36eda$0a7b8960$de42210a@tiny>
Message-ID: <003701c389e7$9af4efe0$649c7ad5@corinnehome>

Hi Stewart

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner - I had a feeling I wouldn't be able to make it, and that's the way it has turned out, I'm afraid.

80+ will look spectacular - hope everyone on your final list makes it.  Look forward to the photos - Paul Stevens always seems keen to get his on the web, so I'll look out for them.

Have just unearthed your 928 register details, and realise that I haven't done anything about filling in the form yet - will try to get that to you asap - it looks as though I have to demolish the boot to get the details needed!  But seriously, the sticker is intact, so I should be able to work from it.

Hope everyone has a great time tomorrow - I'll try to get to the next one (December?).

Corinne


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stewart Wren 
  To: Corrine Page 
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 10:35 AM
  Subject: Tilford 2003


  Hi Corrine,
   
  Hope you don't mind the intrusion but i was given your 'mail address by Jon Jeffreyes.
   
  Love to hear from you........................... :-
   
  Dear fellow 928 owners,

  With 5 weeks to go we have 43 definites and 3 provisional out of a possible 64 on my 'mail data base. Who else do you know with a 928 ? See September issue Porsche Post 928 register section for more details, I know it will be a great meet rain or shine.............:-

  Tilford 2003. GU10 2BU

  Saturday 4th October.


  This is the confirmed listing so far for Tilford as of 29/8 :-



  Trevor Peddle +1 or +2

  Martin Dunks

  Adrian Hayes '91 GT

  James Sweeting +1

  Jon Jeffryes '79 Auto

  David Randall

  Alex Day

  Jon Jeffries

  Clifford Biddlecombe '88 S4 SE

  Trevor Moorcraft + 3

  Ian Russell +1

  Brendan O'Callahan S4

  Graham Orr '91 S4

  Rob Burrell & Katherine '90 GT

  Stewart Wren & Sue '79 Auto

  Andrew Le Blanc Smith 928S SIA9280

  John Symes 928GTS manual

  Peter Noble

  Paul Stevens '87 S4 Manual

  Mike Richards

  Steve Senior '82 928S LHD Auto.

  Terry Rockall

  Paul Redgrave 90 S4

  Alex Popov '84 S2

  Carl Hender '87 &'88 S4 Auto's

  Kenrick Ramlochen '90 S4 

  PETER ROWE 928 TECHNICAL --- Rivervale Porsche, Brighton.

  George Layton '95 GTS

  John Vaughn '78 Auto First Import to UK

  Lawrence Abbot '79 Auto

  Nigel Jackson GTS

  Andy and Karen Crowther '82 S

  Alistair Cameron

  Andrew Brierley '90 S4 or '91 GT PCGB 928 Register editor

  Dave and Sam Dooley '90 GT

  Mike Gibbons '88 S4

  Chris Clarke S2

  Charles & Denise Van Asma '80 Auto

  Diederik de Vilder '82 S Auto

  David Adler & Evelyne S2

  William Robertson '79 Auto

  Michelle Robertson S4

  Peter Ward '92 GT Manual

  Mel Thomas {Provisional}

  Scot Walker {Provisional}

  ADRIAN CLARK 928 TECHNICAL, 928 PCGB REGISTER {provisional}





  If I have missed any one, please confirm.

  Thanks.



  Stewart.

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From writer at razorgang.com  Sat Oct  4 17:42:00 2003
From: writer at razorgang.com (Steve Harris)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:42:00 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031004173859.0266ee50@mailgate.razorgang.com>

My 928 was the 80th (and probably the last cos I was very late)  to arrive.

How come no one goes to these events? :-)

Stevie
xx

From Owen928S4 at aol.com  Sat Oct  4 20:08:36 2003
From: Owen928S4 at aol.com (Owen928S4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:08:36 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Interesting Chance Encounter
Message-ID: <2d.34b7086b.2cb074b4@aol.com>


Today, by chance through one of my work clients, I met a German guy called 
Klaus Reuter, now living in Florida who was involved in the 928's development 
and actually drove the prototypes in 1976. He actually woked for VW at the time 
but was in some way involved in the development of the fuel injection system 
on the original S models.

Cool.
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From angusf at 928.org.uk  Sat Oct  4 21:55:05 2003
From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:55:05 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford pics be email to me not the list please....
Message-ID: <07D9B584-F6AD-11D7-B8F6-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk>

.....And I will post them in a gallery on the homepage of 928.org.uk 
rather than kill all out email accounts :-)

I had a great time today. Thats the most 928s I have ever seen in one 
place and it was great to catch up with people whos faces I dont know 
but who's names and cars I do :-)

Angus
PS Theres another car for sale by the owner via www.928.org.uk .. an 
interesting 84 928S2 thats obviously had some TLC.
Do you want to sell yours? or swap? I spoke to an auto owner today 
looking for a manual... are you the opposite...
Let me know.

PPS If someone wants to write some text about Tilford I will put it on 
the homepage.
--



From martin.dunks928 at virgin.net  Sun Oct  5 10:40:06 2003
From: martin.dunks928 at virgin.net (Martin Dunks)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:40:06 +0100
Subject: [928uk] test
Message-ID: <000c01c38b24$a8f92690$0acd6b51@martinscomputer>

Blank
test
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From martin.dunks928 at virgin.net  Sun Oct  5 10:46:46 2003
From: martin.dunks928 at virgin.net (Martin Dunks)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:46:46 +0100
Subject: [928uk] test 2
Message-ID: <002101c38b25$977bf540$0acd6b51@martinscomputer>

BlankGTS for sale, first ?5000 takes it

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From angusf at 928.org.uk  Sun Oct  5 12:39:35 2003
From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:39:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
Message-ID: <984839F4-F728-11D7-B8F6-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk>

Someone on the mail list will know Rob... Forwarding...

Angus
--

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "ROBDEB" <ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK>
> Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003  12:21:30 PM Europe/London
> To: <angusf at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: steering rack
>
> Hi there
> My steering rack is leaking,is there any sort of repair kit that you 
> know of or what is the best place to get another from,i've just got 
> the car there are loads of other jobs but this is one of the biggest 
> jobs.
> ?
> Thanks Rob
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From mfordeuk at msn.com  Sun Oct  5 13:33:20 2003
From: mfordeuk at msn.com (michael forde)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:33:20 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
Message-ID: <BAY4-F91aTeeCXjiGHm00001972@hotmail.com>

Hi Rob

I have just bought a recon rack for my 87 S4 from:

Club Autosport Ltd
Porscha House
Park Lane
Halesowen
West Midlands B63 2QY

Tel: 01384 410 879

Ask for Richard or Alex

Cost: 250 + 100 surcharge (till old rack returned) + 15 (carriage) + VAT

They say rack is reconditioned by ZF (OEM).

I have used these people before - about 3 years ago I bought a new Behr 
radiator for about ?500 + VAT - roughly half the price of OPC. Just recently 
I also bought a timing chain tensioner - paid Porsche price, but got it 
quickly.

I have never visited them, but they seem knowledgeable, friendly, honest and 
good value.

Highly recommended!

Good luck!!

Mike

87 S4 auto 134K, Edinburgh


>From: Angus Fox <angusf at 928.org.uk>
>To: ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK
>CC: 928uk <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:39:35 +0100
>
>Someone on the mail list will know Rob... Forwarding...
>
>Angus
>--
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>>From: "ROBDEB" <ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK>
>>Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003  12:21:30 PM Europe/London
>>To: <angusf at 928.org.uk>
>>Subject: steering rack
>>
>>Hi there
>>My steering rack is leaking,is there any sort of repair kit that you know 
>>of or what is the best place to get another from,i've just got the car 
>>there are loads of other jobs but this is one of the biggest jobs.
>>?
>>Thanks Rob
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From charles.vanasma at tesco.net  Sun Oct  5 13:34:59 2003
From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (Charles Van Asma)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:34:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
In-Reply-To: <984839F4-F728-11D7-B8F6-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk>
Message-ID: <PPEGLBOOJBEIGOFLAIPGKEFPCCAA.charles.vanasma@tesco.net>

            Rob

            There is a steering rack service kit, Adrian on the list usually
has one, or do what I did, replace the entire
            Rack, its not a difficult job, took me three hours. I obtained a
second hand one from Paul Anderson (www.928Spares.co.uk)
            also on the list.

            Regards  Charles 928 80

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Angus Fox
Sent: 05 October 2003 12:40
To: ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK
Cc: 928uk
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack

Someone on the mail list will know Rob... Forwarding...

Angus
--

Begin forwarded message:
From: "ROBDEB" <ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK>
Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003 12:21:30 PM Europe/London
To: <angusf at 928.org.uk>
Subject: steering rack

<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Hi there<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>My steering rack is leaking,is there
any sort of repair kit that you know of or what is the best place to get
another from,i've just got the car there are loads of other jobs but this is
one of the biggest jobs.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>

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From btcollet at worldnet.att.net  Sun Oct  5 16:30:24 2003
From: btcollet at worldnet.att.net (Bruce Collet)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:30:24 -0500
Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?
Message-ID: <AKEIJHDGBJJEGCGHOADFKEMDCAAA.btcollet@worldnet.att.net>

Hi all,
Came across your web site yesterday and figured you would be the best people
to ask.  I have an 84 928S and was recently told I'm moving to Lakenheath; I
currently live in Texas.  I'm mentally debating on shipping the car or
putting it in storage for a couple years.  To be honest, I'm not sure what
all would need to be done to the car if I did ship it.  If you could help
answer a couple questions, it would definitely help.

- Does UK require an emissions test; and if so, do older 928s have a good
success rate passing?  And, like most older 928s, it does drip a little oil.
Is the UK as strict as Japan on oil leaks?

- Are parts reasonable and easily obtainable; or, would I have to "stock up"
before leaving the states?

- Are there good service shops in that area?

- Would side markers (like the Euro model) have to be installed along with
fog light in the rear?  (and it looks like I have to remove the rear-black
bumpers to install the license plate??)  I.e, should I have the
modifications done here or are there places over there that can do it?

- I have a clean driving record but have heard obtaining insurance is
difficult.  True?

- Is there any value in keeping my Valentine radar detector?  Seems like I
recall your police have some other method of tracking speed.

- Oh, and how do I move the steering wheel? <LOL>

Again, thanks for any advice you can offer.  I really dread the thought of
storing it--selling it is not an option.
Bruce




From info at jdsporsche.com  Sun Oct  5 17:48:15 2003
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:48:15 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?
References: <AKEIJHDGBJJEGCGHOADFKEMDCAAA.btcollet@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <000401c38b60$7952d9e0$9fa4baac@default>


> Hi all,
> Came across your web site yesterday and figured you would be the best
people
> to ask.  I have an 84 928S and was recently told I'm moving to Lakenheath;
I
> currently live in Texas.  I'm mentally debating on shipping the car or
> putting it in storage for a couple years.  To be honest, I'm not sure what
> all would need to be done to the car if I did ship it.  If you could help
> answer a couple questions, it would definitely help.
>
> - Does UK require an emissions test; and if so, do older 928s have a good
> success rate passing?  And, like most older 928s, it does drip a little
oil.
> Is the UK as strict as Japan on oil leaks?
>>>>>>>>>>
Shouldn't be a problem, there are reduced limits for older cars - for your
car, from memory I think the maximum is 4% CO.

I don't know about Japan, but as long as the oil isn't a safety issue, then
I don't think it is a fail issue.
>

> - Are parts reasonable and easily obtainable; or, would I have to "stock
up"
> before leaving the states?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
There are plenty of spares available, service parts and second hand parts
for other types of failure. I would concentrate on any thing that is LH
drive specific..........

> - Are there good service shops in that area?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In Cambridge there is an Official Porsche dealership, although they don't
really get enough 928s to be really skilled. There is also an independant
also in Cambridge. Plus a small group of enthusiasts !

> - Would side markers (like the Euro model) have to be installed along with
> fog light in the rear?  (and it looks like I have to remove the rear-black
> bumpers to install the license plate??)  I.e, should I have the
> modifications done here or are there places over there that can do it?
> >>>>>>>>>>.
I'm not sure, you might be able to get some useful info from this site -try
a  Google search as well.....
http://www.import-car.info/

You will need to mask the headlights to make them "dip to the left".

> - I have a clean driving record but have heard obtaining insurance is
> difficult.  True?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You will almost certainly find that an imobilisier is a condition of getting
insurance. Some companies insist on a full alarm/imobiliser.

> - Is there any value in keeping my Valentine radar detector?  Seems like I
> recall your police have some other method of tracking speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>..
I think the frequency bands are different in England to the USA. There are
also laser cameras here. You would do better to invest in one of the GPS
based systems when you get here.

> - Oh, and how do I move the steering wheel? <LOL>
>.........just pull hard enough !

> Again, thanks for any advice you can offer.  I really dread the thought of
> storing it--selling it is not an option.
>>>>>>>>>>>
Storing it wouldn't do it any good at all - how long are you over here for ?

Regards,
John (Cambridge)

>
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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Sun Oct  5 17:52:48 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:52:48 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?
References: <AKEIJHDGBJJEGCGHOADFKEMDCAAA.btcollet@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <00a001c38b61$1c385bd0$1b504ed5@computername>

Bruce,

Presumably you are in the air force, and the shipping would not cost you
anything.

A couple of years ago there was another person with a 928 at Mildenhall, I
think he was on rennlist, so it might be worth asking there.

I'll try and answer your questions though.

Cars in the UK over three years old have an annual inspection known as the
MoT, which includes an emissions test, but any 928 will pass without
problems even if the air pump has been removed. Small oil leaks are not a
cause for failure.
I could scan and send a copy of the check list they use if you like.

Parts are easy enough to get, but not as cheap as in the US, but you should
be able to get stuff sent over without paying duty if you are in the
military.

Someone in Suffolk might be able to recommend a local workshop.

Would you have to register the car here? I think that its OK to use a
foreign registered car here for six months, and I wouldn't be surprised if
there is an exception for military personnel that allows you to keep it here
longer without re-registering.

If you do need to register it here, you would need an MoT, and almost
certainly need a rear fog light, but I don't think side repeaters are a
legal requirement. You will find details of these sort of requirements on
the www somewhere. The authority dealing with car registrations is the DVLA
(Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority) so try searching on that.

Insurance isn't difficult here for a person with a UK driving license, but
might be a problem with a US license. The mainstream insurers will give very
high quotes for any Porsche, but there are several specialists who are
reasonable.

I don't know much about radar detectors, but I believe that the radar used
here might be a different band to your detector, so worth checking, but most
speed enforcement is done by cameras, some of which use radar, and some use
loops in the road. Other types use character recognition to read the number
plate and your speed is calculated between two cameras. There are websites
covering all of this, try: http://www.abd.org.uk

Moving the steering wheel? just park next to a big mirror!

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Collet" <btcollet at worldnet.att.net>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?


> Hi all,
> Came across your web site yesterday and figured you would be the best
people
> to ask.  I have an 84 928S and was recently told I'm moving to Lakenheath;
I
> currently live in Texas.  I'm mentally debating on shipping the car or
> putting it in storage for a couple years.  To be honest, I'm not sure what
> all would need to be done to the car if I did ship it.  If you could help
> answer a couple questions, it would definitely help.
>
> - Does UK require an emissions test; and if so, do older 928s have a good
> success rate passing?  And, like most older 928s, it does drip a little
oil.
> Is the UK as strict as Japan on oil leaks?
>
> - Are parts reasonable and easily obtainable; or, would I have to "stock
up"
> before leaving the states?
>
> - Are there good service shops in that area?
>
> - Would side markers (like the Euro model) have to be installed along with
> fog light in the rear?  (and it looks like I have to remove the rear-black
> bumpers to install the license plate??)  I.e, should I have the
> modifications done here or are there places over there that can do it?
>
> - I have a clean driving record but have heard obtaining insurance is
> difficult.  True?
>
> - Is there any value in keeping my Valentine radar detector?  Seems like I
> recall your police have some other method of tracking speed.
>
> - Oh, and how do I move the steering wheel? <LOL>
>
> Again, thanks for any advice you can offer.  I really dread the thought of
> storing it--selling it is not an option.
> Bruce
>
>
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From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net  Sun Oct  5 18:00:14 2003
From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:00:14 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?
In-Reply-To: <AKEIJHDGBJJEGCGHOADFKEMDCAAA.btcollet@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <NFBBLBADILAOKIFCJCAFCEJFDOAA.jon.holdsworth1@virgin.net>

Hi Bruce

An 84 will require emissions tests but cats weren't required in '84 so if
your 928 has cats and passes Texas emissions I would be pretty certain it
will pass the appropriate emissions spec. My 88 S4 SE (without cats) is very
nearly clean enough to pass the emissions test for cars with cats.

Oil drips aren't an issue

Parts availability is OK but some of us do shop at the big three because
it's cheaper even with shipping.

Good service shops are few and far between. but there is plenty of expert
help in the Lakenheath area.

I don't think you would need "side markers" - The testing places would not
realise that Euro 928s had them.

Rear number plate fits centrally in the recess just like in the US

I think the only mod you would need to do would be to change the headlights
to British spec H4 units that dip to the left.

Insurance for 928s is generally reasonable - there are a number of
specialist insurers around - wouldn't have thought you would have a problem.

Bring your valentine.

I assume that you are in the USAF - or associated with it. There are a lot
of Imported American cars around Lakenheath - presumably run by USAF
personnel posted over here. They could well be of more help in knowing the
ins and outs of doing an import. I thought that there was a scheme for Armed
forces personnel that allowed them to keep an imported car registered on the
US base - and it was thus effectively not an import ?

I don't know what shipping would cost but you may find that it would be just
more economical to buy a 928 over here and sell it when you leave. 928
prices are pretty much rock bottom I would guess so it's unlikely that you
would loose money on the purchase and sale. Just leaves the running costs !
I would guess a reasonable 84 S would go for anything between ?4000 - ?7000.
A rough one may be as low as ?2500.

Cheers

Jon
Black SE

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Bruce Collet
> Sent: 05 October 2003 16:30
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?
>
>
> Hi all,
> Came across your web site yesterday and figured you would be the
> best people
> to ask.  I have an 84 928S and was recently told I'm moving to
> Lakenheath; I
> currently live in Texas.  I'm mentally debating on shipping the car or
> putting it in storage for a couple years.  To be honest, I'm not sure what
> all would need to be done to the car if I did ship it.  If you could help
> answer a couple questions, it would definitely help.
>
> - Does UK require an emissions test; and if so, do older 928s have a good
> success rate passing?  And, like most older 928s, it does drip a
> little oil.
> Is the UK as strict as Japan on oil leaks?
>
> - Are parts reasonable and easily obtainable; or, would I have to
> "stock up"
> before leaving the states?
>
> - Are there good service shops in that area?
>
> - Would side markers (like the Euro model) have to be installed along with
> fog light in the rear?  (and it looks like I have to remove the rear-black
> bumpers to install the license plate??)  I.e, should I have the
> modifications done here or are there places over there that can do it?
>
> - I have a clean driving record but have heard obtaining insurance is
> difficult.  True?
>
> - Is there any value in keeping my Valentine radar detector?  Seems like I
> recall your police have some other method of tracking speed.
>
> - Oh, and how do I move the steering wheel? <LOL>
>
> Again, thanks for any advice you can offer.  I really dread the thought of
> storing it--selling it is not an option.
> Bruce
>
>
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From colinstse at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct  5 20:12:14 2003
From: colinstse at ntlworld.com (colinstse)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:12:14 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Gatwick Pic`s
Message-ID: <3F806D0E.8F9A70D1@ntlworld.com>

Hi to all on the list,

Here is a link to the pictures I took at Gatwick ,

which can be found on my son's web site.

 www.mark-s.co.uk

Colin S.        87  S4  Auto
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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Sun Oct  5 23:19:28 2003
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:19:28 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
Message-ID: <20031005221928.DSJA28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]>

Rob

I've got a steering rack repair kit which includes about 32 parts (mainly seals) - its a job for an experienced mechanic though.  You can have it for 50gbp + postage if interested (email me details off list)

Adrian
> 
> From: Angus Fox <angusf at 928.org.uk>
> Date: 2003/10/05 Sun AM 11:39:35 GMT
> To: ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK
> CC: 928uk <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
> 
> Someone on the mail list will know Rob... Forwarding...
> 
> Angus
> --
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: "ROBDEB" <ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK>
> > Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003  12:21:30 PM Europe/London
> > To: <angusf at 928.org.uk>
> > Subject: steering rack
> >
> > Hi there
> > My steering rack is leaking,is there any sort of repair kit that you 
> > know of or what is the best place to get another from,i've just got 
> > the car there are loads of other jobs but this is one of the biggest 
> > jobs.
> > ?
> > Thanks Rob
> 
> Someone on the mail list will know Rob... Forwarding...
> 
> 
> Angus
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> <excerpt><bold>From: </bold>"ROBDEB" <<ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK>
> 
> <bold>Date: </bold>Sun Oct 5, 2003  12:21:30 PM Europe/London
> 
> <bold>To: </bold><<angusf at 928.org.uk>
> 
> <bold>Subject: </bold>steering rack
> 
> 
> <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Hi there</smaller></fontfamily>
> 
> <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>My steering rack is
> leaking,is there any sort of repair kit that you know of or what is
> the best place to get another from,i've just got the car there are
> loads of other jobs but this is one of the biggest jobs.</smaller></fontfamily>
> 
> ?
> 
> <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Thanks Rob</smaller></fontfamily>
> 
> </excerpt>
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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Mon Oct  6 01:20:00 2003
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:20:00 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 'Colours' section
In-Reply-To: <001101c389bf$d9521560$25bfbeac@default>
Message-ID: <20031006002000.ACC7E4CD6D@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

John Speake wrote:
> 
> Owen
> Tahoe Blue '91 S4 
>   What's the code number for that colour, Owen ?

Tahoe Blue, 37C MY, 1990.


--
Phil

When in doubt, tell the truth. 
        -- Mark Twain


From carl at hender.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 01:52:46 2003
From: carl at hender.co.uk (Carl Hender)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:52:46 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?
References: <AKEIJHDGBJJEGCGHOADFKEMDCAAA.btcollet@worldnet.att.net>
	<000401c38b60$7952d9e0$9fa4baac@default>
Message-ID: <008801c38ba4$28b6c570$18fd6251@PC1>

Hi John

He will not have any trouble living in Suffolk, Cambridgeshire. Plenty of
928 enthusiasts within our two counties ;)

John Speake wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Came across your web site yesterday and figured you would be the
>> best people to ask.  I have an 84 928S and was recently told I'm
-- 
Bye, Carl
http://www.hender.co.uk/
928S4 Auto '87
928S4 Auto '88


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From LINDA1027 at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 06:43:10 2003
From: LINDA1027 at aol.com (LINDA1027 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:43:10 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Moving from Texas to England--Should I ship the Shark?
Message-ID: <112.2973c2bb.2cb25aee@aol.com>

Hi there - 
First of all, having shipped my 87 S4 from San Francisco (about 3 yrs ago) to 
London, I would definitely recommend it.  Leaving it in storage will be more 
trouble than it's worth, and besides you won't get to drive it here!  Selling 
was not an option for me either.  Most of my friends thought I was nuts.  But 
I think it was one of the best decisions I made out of the many I had to make 
when I transferred here.   I really enjoy driving it here.

Emissions: I had no trouble w/ the MOT, but since mine came from CA, and was 
purchased there, I was certain it would pass any emissions control test.  You 
will find that certain adjustments must be made (fog lights, headlight angle, 
etc).  Any shop that does the MOT should know what needs to be done.  I 
believe it cost me around ?1000 total.

Parts: if you know you go through certain parts, just load up via 
www.928intl.com, or even Devek, and bring with you, just a little more convenient.  But I 
have found that less VAT, the Porsche parts cost the same in the US as they 
would here.  I think in the US there are more 928 specialists and suppliers 
however.

Service shops:  I have yet to find one in London I'm wild about, but this 
list and its members are very helpful.  May be better where you will be.

Modifications:  Have them done here; they'll know better what needs to be 
done.

Insurance: should be fairly straightforward.  Some ins. co.s won't insure our 
type of car, just like in the US.  Call around; plus this list has a list of 
ones we all have had success with.  But I would be prepared before you leave 
by getting written proof from your current insurance co. about having no claims 
over whatever number of years.  Also, bring proof of alarm/immobiliser 
installed.  Insurance cost for me was equivalent of cost in California (one of few 
things that doesn't cost more in London!)

Radar detector: there are mostly cameras here, everywhere it seems, don't 
know if a radar detector picks these up.  I think it's easier to tell from 
behaviour of the other cars, the horizontal lines on the road, and of course the 
cameras themselves, as they don't make a big effort to hide them.

Registration plates: they make them to fit in the space...numbers just 
doubled up, so plate is size of a US plate.

Shipping: my car took up much of the space in the 20 ft. container.  Cost of 
shipping the car alone would have been about $1200.  Insure for replacement 
cost as friends in the business tell me those containers fall off sometimes, and 
they are certainly not water tight either.

Some other things you didn't mention:

Cost of gas:  I suppose you may get US cost gas on the base, but if not, my 
full tank cost went from about $25-30 in SF to $90 here.

UK drivers license:  don't now if you'll need since you are US military 
(also, Lakenheath apparently has the only 4-way stop sign intersection in all of 
England, just in case you get homesick).  One is supposed to get one within 30 
days I hear, and it is supposedly a tough test.

Your radio:  you'll need to get a new UK one if you wish to listen to all 
stations, AM and FM.  While US radios are on a "dot odd-number" frequency, UK 
radio stations are on a "dot even-number frequency".  I can pick a few up (like 
3), but still need to swap out mine.

Hope this helps. Linda Blackmore
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From Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk  Mon Oct  6 08:34:10 2003
From: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk (Northwood, Gareth)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:34:10 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] Another new owner
Message-ID: <200310060639.h966dmi07434@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Morning all.

It may be Monday but I'm walking round like a fat dumb Cheshire cat today!
I'm now the proud owner of my first 928, a black 90 GT.  Picked the car up
on Friday and have been having Christmas morning ever since.  Spent most of
the weekend either driving it or looking at it out the window and thinking
about driving it.  Even my better half has driven it and now likes it - a
convert!! (although she can't decide if she likes the engine growl or the
pop-up lights best!)  Needless to say I like the whole thing best!

So far so good, everything works as it should and no odd noises yet.  Thanks
to all on the list for the everyday wealth of info about what to look for
and how to live with the cars - really good preparation for taking the
plunge.  I've been reading the list for about 6 months to learn what I could
- priceless.

Right, better get back to work, I'll just check out the office window
first....

Gareth 
(black 90 GT)



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From angusf at mac.com  Mon Oct  6 08:55:42 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:55:42 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Another new owner
In-Reply-To: <200310060639.h966dmi07434@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7BA6D81C-F7D2-11D7-B8F6-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

Welcome to ownership Gareth! Thats exactly what the list is for.

Angus
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On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 08:34 AM, Northwood, Gareth wrote:

> Morning all.
>
> It may be Monday but I'm walking round like a fat dumb Cheshire cat  
> today!
> I'm now the proud owner of my first 928, a black 90 GT.  Picked the  
> car up
> on Friday and have been having Christmas morning ever since.  Spent  
> most of
> the weekend either driving it or looking at it out the window and  
> thinking
> about driving it.  Even my better half has driven it and now likes it  
> - a
> convert!! (although she can't decide if she likes the engine growl or  
> the
> pop-up lights best!)  Needless to say I like the whole thing best!
>
> So far so good, everything works as it should and no odd noises yet.   
> Thanks
> to all on the list for the everyday wealth of info about what to look  
> for
> and how to live with the cars - really good preparation for taking the
> plunge.  I've been reading the list for about 6 months to learn what I  
> could
> - priceless.
>
> Right, better get back to work, I'll just check out the office window
> first....
>
> Gareth
> (black 90 GT)
>
>
>
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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Mon Oct  6 09:18:53 2003
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:18:53 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
References: <BAY4-F91aTeeCXjiGHm00001972@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401c38be2$7beff8e0$45ce7ad5@hppav>

Good price - I paid ?275 (+ VAT) direct from ZF in Nottingham.

I've always found Club Autosport good value. Big Rottweiler.

There was a yellow Strosek GTS racer in the loft rafters last time I was
there - complete!

David '90 S4
----- Original Message -----
From: "michael forde" <mfordeuk at msn.com>
To: <angusf at 928.org.uk>; <ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack


Hi Rob

I have just bought a recon rack for my 87 S4 from:

Club Autosport Ltd
Porscha House
Park Lane
Halesowen
West Midlands B63 2QY

Tel: 01384 410 879

Ask for Richard or Alex

Cost: 250 + 100 surcharge (till old rack returned) + 15 (carriage) + VAT

They say rack is reconditioned by ZF (OEM).

I have used these people before - about 3 years ago I bought a new Behr
radiator for about ?500 + VAT - roughly half the price of OPC. Just recently
I also bought a timing chain tensioner - paid Porsche price, but got it
quickly.

I have never visited them, but they seem knowledgeable, friendly, honest and
good value.

Highly recommended!

Good luck!!

Mike

87 S4 auto 134K, Edinburgh


>From: Angus Fox <angusf at 928.org.uk>
>To: ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK
>CC: 928uk <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: [928uk] Fwd: steering rack
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:39:35 +0100
>
>Someone on the mail list will know Rob... Forwarding...
>
>Angus
>--
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>>From: "ROBDEB" <ROBDEB at JONES7869.FSNET.CO.UK>
>>Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003  12:21:30 PM Europe/London
>>To: <angusf at 928.org.uk>
>>Subject: steering rack
>>
>>Hi there
>>My steering rack is leaking,is there any sort of repair kit that you know
>>of or what is the best place to get another from,i've just got the car
>>there are loads of other jobs but this is one of the biggest jobs.
>>
>>Thanks Rob
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Mon Oct  6 09:38:36 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:38:36 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Another new owner
In-Reply-To: <200310060639.h966dmi07434@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200310060639.h966dmi07434@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <QaaI6ZZMoSg$Ewnd@ritech-systems.com>

The number of new owners seems to be growing rapidly.
It looks like the 928 is becoming the classic car to have.
Wishful thinking maybe, but I started to find that good ones were being 
snapped up quickly when I was looking a couple of months ago (that will 
be Keith Morgan who nipped in and bought the car I was after when I 
dithered!). Also some cars have been going recently for what I 
considered 'over the top' prices 6 months ago - namely the pristine S4 
on the .org site, and Andrew Brierley's recently.
Good to see so many enthusiasts - indicated by the turn out at Tilford 
last Sat.
Richard A




In message <200310060639.h966dmi07434 at raq01.multizone.co.uk>, 
"Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk> writes
>Morning all.
>
>It may be Monday but I'm walking round like a fat dumb Cheshire cat today!
>I'm now the proud owner of my first 928, a black 90 GT.  Picked the car up
>on Friday and have been having Christmas morning ever since.  Spent most of
>the weekend either driving it or looking at it out the window and thinking
>about driving it.  Even my better half has driven it and now likes it - a
>convert!! (although she can't decide if she likes the engine growl or the
>pop-up lights best!)  Needless to say I like the whole thing best!
>
>So far so good, everything works as it should and no odd noises yet.  Thanks
>to all on the list for the everyday wealth of info about what to look for
>and how to live with the cars - really good preparation for taking the
>plunge.  I've been reading the list for about 6 months to learn what I could
>- priceless.
>
>Right, better get back to work, I'll just check out the office window
>first....
>
>Gareth
>(black 90 GT)
>
>




From Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk  Mon Oct  6 09:51:23 2003
From: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk (Northwood, Gareth)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:51:23 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] Another new owner
Message-ID: <200310060756.h967uwi11222@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Richard,

Can't speak for other but I've been waiting 18 years for my 928 (been a
classic ever since they started making it I think) - not the most rapid move
towards ownership!  Still, better late than never and I didn't have to sell
the house to buy it! 

Gareth
:)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Richard Armstrong [SMTP:richard at ritech-systems.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 9:39 AM
> To:	928uk at 928.org.uk
> Cc:	'928uk at 928.org.uk'
> Subject:	Re: [928uk] Another new owner
> 
> The number of new owners seems to be growing rapidly.
> It looks like the 928 is becoming the classic car to have.
> Wishful thinking maybe, but I started to find that good ones were being 
> snapped up quickly when I was looking a couple of months ago (that will 
> be Keith Morgan who nipped in and bought the car I was after when I 
> dithered!). Also some cars have been going recently for what I 
> considered 'over the top' prices 6 months ago - namely the pristine S4 
> on the .org site, and Andrew Brierley's recently.
> Good to see so many enthusiasts - indicated by the turn out at Tilford 
> last Sat.
> Richard A
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In message <200310060639.h966dmi07434 at raq01.multizone.co.uk>, 
> "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk> writes
> >Morning all.
> >
> >It may be Monday but I'm walking round like a fat dumb Cheshire cat
> today!
> >I'm now the proud owner of my first 928, a black 90 GT.  Picked the car
> up
> >on Friday and have been having Christmas morning ever since.  Spent most
> of
> >the weekend either driving it or looking at it out the window and
> thinking
> >about driving it.  Even my better half has driven it and now likes it - a
> >convert!! (although she can't decide if she likes the engine growl or the
> >pop-up lights best!)  Needless to say I like the whole thing best!
> >
> >So far so good, everything works as it should and no odd noises yet.
> Thanks
> >to all on the list for the everyday wealth of info about what to look for
> >and how to live with the cars - really good preparation for taking the
> >plunge.  I've been reading the list for about 6 months to learn what I
> could
> >- priceless.
> >
> >Right, better get back to work, I'll just check out the office window
> >first....
> >
> >Gareth
> >(black 90 GT)
> >
> >
> 
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From Chrisglynis at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 11:23:22 2003
From: Chrisglynis at aol.com (Chrisglynis at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:23:22 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Australian List
Message-ID: <1d6.11cf8b90.2cb29c9a@aol.com>

Does anyone know of an Australian 928 list?  If so can you please let me have 
details.

Many thanks

Chris
89 S4
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From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net  Mon Oct  6 10:27:57 2003
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:27:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031004173859.0266ee50@mailgate.razorgang.com>
Message-ID: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEIEIFELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>


80 cars, I'd estimate the cost per car at, say, an average ?40K when new?

... that's ?3.2M parked on that cricket ground.

Hehe

Kingsley

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Steve Harris
Sent: 04 October 2003 17:42
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Tilford


My 928 was the 80th (and probably the last cos I was very late)  to arrive.

How come no one goes to these events? :-)

Stevie
xx



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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:57:26 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Landshark Oz
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There are 25 messages in this issue. 

Topics in this digest: 

     1. Re: unclas: Supercharger
          From: "jb928s4" <john at johngidley.com.au>
     2. Re: Re: Dash mats
          From: holdingrm <HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM>
     3. S4 in Sydney Tele
          From: Neil R Warwick <neilandannie at bigpond.com.au>
     4. Re: Dash mats
          From: holdingrm <HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM>
     5. Vic Frenzy : Jamie invitation
          From: "jb928s4" <john at johngidley.com.au>
     6. RE: Re: unclas: Supercharger
          From: "Matt Nicholson" <mattnicholson at optushome.com.au>
     7. Re: Dash mats
          From: Neil R Warwick <neilandannie at bigpond.com.au>
     8. Re: Dash mats
          From: Phil Chadwick <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au>
     9. Re: Dash mats
          From: holdingrm <HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM>
    10. Wheel spacers / adaptors Wanted
          From: "Matt Nicholson" <mattnicholson at optushome.com.au>
    11. RE: Wheel spacers / adaptors Wanted
          From: "Leonard Zech" <928 at landsharkoz.com>
    12. Re: Dash mats
          From: "Piotr Horbacki" <horbackip at hotmail.com>
    13. Re: Dash mats
          From: "rix928" <eheaney at bigpond.net.au>
    14. Re: Vic Frenzy : Jamie invitation
          From: Jaime <928 at jaime.net>
    15. RE: reformat partition (no 928 content)
          From: "TIMKAZ enterprises" <timkaz at tpg.com.au>
    16. Re: Dash mats
          From: Jaime <928 at jaime.net>
    17. Re: Re: Tyre Pressures & Sizes
          From: "Graham Bates" <grahambates at shoal.net.au>
    18. Coffs Harbour.... Bookings going fast.
          From: Bruce Wilson <proem at bigpond.com>
    19. Re: Coffs Harbour.... Bookings going fast.
          From: Doug Hillary <hillary_rttr at bigpond.com.au>
    20. Re: Dash mats
          From: "Chris Smid" <smiddy at datafast.net.au>
    21. RE: Dash mats
          From: "johnpitman" <johnpitman at optusnet.com.au>
    22. Re: Dash mats
          From: "Cyclops" <johnc199 at hotmail.com>
    23. Re: Another Sick Joke coming on?
          From: "Cyclops" <johnc199 at hotmail.com>
    24. RE: GTS for auction
          From: "johnpitman" <johnpitman at optusnet.com.au>
    25. New Member Introduction
          From: "jamsvx" <jamsvx at yahoo.com> 


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Message: 1
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 04:52:42 -0000
  From: "jb928s4" <john at johngidley.com.au>
Subject: Re: unclas: Supercharger 

Matt,
Could you elaborate on the "Jag Automotive 1/2 cut,
its origin, the make of supercharger and do you have
any images of it? Will it fit under a standard bonnet. 

Regards,
John Browne
S4 88 GPW Melb. 

 --- In landshark at yahoogroups.com, "Matt Nicholson"
<mattnicholson at o...> wrote:
> This supercharger was fitted to the Jag Automotive 1/2 1990 S4 that 
I
> bought. Looked to fit in reasonably well. 
> 
> Matt  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Essery [mailto:cessery at d...] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:41 PM
> To: landshark at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [landshark] unclas: Supercharger 
> 
> You state the super charger is for an S$. Can you send me the 
daetils as
> I would like to check it out for an 83 Euro s . Cheers 
> 
> >>> bohun.martin at d... 10/05/03 12:54pm >>> 
> Heres one for all the 32V EFI owners on the list, saw it in the
> tradingpost:  
> 
> Porsche 3.2 engine, complete $11000, Porsche 915 gearbox $3800, 
Porsche
> 3.6 
> engine complete $12000, 928 S4 super charger complete $3000 DUNHEVED
> 02-9833 
> 7011 or 0414-911960  
> 
>  
> 
> Bohun Martin 
> > '81S Wish it was EFI... Figured out a conversion yet Stu?!  
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Message: 2
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:54:25 +1000
  From: holdingrm <HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: Re: Dash mats 

John - sounds like your car is the same as mine, as mine
is identical to Rick Heaney's. VINs are only 4 digits apart.
Yes, It would be a combination dash/pod mat. Not yet
developed, but would be to my standard!! 

Roger Holding
1986 928S
Geelong 

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Humphrey" <johnglennhumphrey at yahoo.com.au>
To: <landshark at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: [landshark] Re: Dash mats 


> Roger, 
>
> I would definitely be interested.  My interior is a darkish Olive
> Green (From the pictures, I think it s the same as Rick Heaney's).  I
> am assuming that you would have one for the Dash and one for the
> Instrument Pod? 
>
> John Humphrey
> 1986 S'3' Marble Grey 
>
> Karen mentioned that the cost of custom
> > dash mats was $49, and said she would enquire about doing a batch
> for 928s.
> >
> > I'd appreciate an indication of interest from members - the quality
> would be the 
>
> 
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Message: 3
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:34:41 +1000
  From: Neil R Warwick <neilandannie at bigpond.com.au>
Subject: S4 in Sydney Tele 

 

 ----------
> From: Leonard Zech <928 at landsharkoz.com>
> To: landshark at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [landshark] Dash mats
> Date: Monday, 6 October 2003 13:59 
> 
> Roger, 
> 
> /me .. puts my hand up for one!! 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> lz
Has anyone up here looked at, heard anything of the white / black interior
S4 which was advertised again this week; one owner apparently. Tempting to
look for a 928 for the 'strife, then we could "fight"  over who drives
which! (best definition of wedded bliss!) And it's not at autohaus at
Thornleigh! 

Taa,
Neil W, 85S Silbermettalic 


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Message: 4
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:59:36 +1000
  From: holdingrm <HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 


Charles - colours are varied as per the floor mats,  but certainly black,
dark/navy blue, light grey, brown, which are the usual 928 interior colours.
I'll advise later of design options, prices, etc. 

Roger Holding
1986 928S
Geelong 


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Essery" <cessery at dipnr.nsw.gov.au>
To: <landshark at yahoogroups.com>
> I would buy one, I assume its a standard black/dark grey material. 
>
>
 

 

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Message: 5
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 04:59:49 -0000
  From: "jb928s4" <john at johngidley.com.au>
Subject: Vic Frenzy : Jamie invitation 

Jamie,
Well done on your purchase.
Fabulous price and pleased to hear
the underbody inspection was all clear. 

Not sure how many 928s we have in your
colour. It looks distinctive and look forward
to seeing it in the flesh. 

On that subject will you have the car and be
able to join us on the Sun Oct 19 Frenzy to
Hepburn Springs? 

The final meeting point & time is still to be
decided but will be advised at least a week before
the day. Should be possible to be back in town by
5 or 6 or earlier if you leave straight after lunch. 

OTHERWISE
If you are real keen, Rick H is getting numbers together
for an early morning run from Eltham to Kinglake and
breakfast at a winery between Research and Kangaroo
Ground this coming Sat. I missed the first run on this
route a few months ago but those who went were still
smiling a month or two later. 

With it being light early at the moment this should
be a good run. 

Eltham is just down the freeway from your place? 

Regards,
John Browne
S4 88 GPW Melb 

 

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Message: 6
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:07:07 +1000
  From: "Matt Nicholson" <mattnicholson at optushome.com.au>
Subject: RE: Re: unclas: Supercharger 

John, 

Jag Automotive imported the car, a repo from Japan. Being < 15yrs old it
had to be completely dismantled or cut in half. The later was easier. 

1990 S4 69,000kms. Can't remember supercharger brand name. No chance of
photos now.....completely dismantled. 

Definitely fit under standard bonnet, they had replaced radiator fans
with slimmer ones (I have these still attached to radiator), removed
cowling and fitted it to top front of motor. Replaced intake tubes and
MAF from memory.....for a pretty neat fit. 

......I wasn't sure we had the same octane rice here to feed it, nor the
4 inch exhaust pipe to match......so I left it with him. 

Matt 

 -----Original Message-----
From: jb928s4 [mailto:john at johngidley.com.au]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:53 PM
To: landshark at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [landshark] Re: unclas: Supercharger 

Matt,
Could you elaborate on the "Jag Automotive 1/2 cut,
its origin, the make of supercharger and do you have
any images of it? Will it fit under a standard bonnet. 

Regards,
John Browne
S4 88 GPW Melb.
<snip> 

 

 

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Message: 7
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:30:18 +1000
  From: Neil R Warwick <neilandannie at bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 

 

 ----------
Just my 2 pence worth on this. Do you think they can (please enquire) have
an edge which tucks between the windscreen and the top of the dash, since
the leather there is all but impossible to get anything on, except
sunlight. The uncut Magna / Verada mat I've been using this year, which
fits pretty well, including the dash vents, can't do this (this mat would
make a good starting template, actually). Second penny is that, if they can
do the edge, I' m in too. In fact, a foldover edge would be ideal for
holding the mat in, since it would avoid / minimise sticky things. 

Regards,
NeilW
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Message: 8
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:14:02 +1000 (EST)
  From: Phil Chadwick <citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 

Neil R Warwick wrote:
> 
> Do you think they can (please enquire) have
> an edge which tucks between the windscreen and the top of the dash, since
> the leather there is all but impossible to get anything on, except
> sunlight. 

Good point.  I alternate between having leather conditioner
on the windscreen and windscreen cleaner on the leather dash. 

Are we talking about "carpet" dash mats or are there other
options? 


 --
Phil 

A Physician can bury his mistakes, an architect can only advise
his clients to plant vines.
       -- Frank Lloyd Wright 


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Message: 9
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:19:36 +1000
  From: holdingrm <HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 


Thanks, Neil. I had in mind to do as Robin Gray has done, that is
a little hook device to go in the air vents to hold the mat in place.
I can't see why the mat would not join the dash/window neatly, but I can't
see how the mat would "tuck between the windscreen and the top of
the dash:" There is no gap in my car as the dash meets flush with the
'screen.. 

The mats that they now produce are quite rigid and do not appear to be
a usual carpet-type fabric. They seem similar to those purchased in Auto
stores, but I can enquire about any design and finish. I would prefer carpet
such as the floor mats with a  good quality binding around the edge. 

Roger Holding
1986 928S
Geelong 

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil R Warwick" <neilandannie at bigpond.com.au>
To: <landshark at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [landshark] Dash mats 


> 
>
> ----------
> Just my 2 pence worth on this. Do you think they can (please enquire) have
> an edge which tucks between the windscreen and the top of the dash, since
> the leather there is all but impossible to get anything on, except
> sunlight. The uncut Magna / Verada mat I've been using this year, which
> fits pretty well, including the dash vents, can't do this (this mat would
> make a good starting template, actually). Second penny is that, if they
can
> do the edge, I' m in too. In fact, a foldover edge would be ideal for
> holding the mat in, since it would avoid / minimise sticky things. 
>
> Regards,
> NeilW
> >
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Message: 10
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:59:26 +1000
  From: "Matt Nicholson" <mattnicholson at optushome.com.au>
Subject: Wheel spacers / adaptors Wanted 

Anybody out there have some Wheel Spacers or adaptors they would like to
sell. 

....anywhere from 15mm to about 40mm. Prefer adaptors which bolt onto
normal wheel studs, but would also consider simple spacers, requiring
longer bolts. 

Matt 

 

 


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Message: 11
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:22:36 +1000
  From: "Leonard Zech" <928 at landsharkoz.com>
Subject: RE: Wheel spacers / adaptors Wanted 

Matt, 

Speak to Stan and tell him Len sent you .. it won't make a scrap of
difference! ;) 

Performance 9
Unit 5/18 Sloane St
Maribyrnong 3032
(03) 9318 7515 

Cheers, 

lz 

Leonard Zech, Webmaster. '95 GTS 'Fin' Nachtblaumetallic, Sydney
928 Australia - http://www.landsharkoz.com
Faster than anything as luxurious more luxurious than anything as fast
** Trim your posts before you send to the list ** 

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> From: Matt Nicholson [mailto:mattnicholson at optushome.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, 6 October 2003 3:59 PM
> To: landshark at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [landshark] Wheel spacers / adaptors Wanted
> Anybody out there have some Wheel Spacers or adaptors they would like to
> sell.
 


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Message: 12
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:26:54 +0000
  From: "Piotr Horbacki" <horbackip at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 

Roger,
Floor mats are 'exelente', thank you.
If dash mats are coming I'd like to have black one :) 


Piotr Horbacki
'82S GPW
Canberra 

 


>Smiddy from Portland was here in Geelong on Friday collecting his
>4 piece protective mats with a lady friend, Sandra. After the usual
>928 banter, we had a pleasant lunch at the Barking Dog in West
>Geelong and they headed back to Portland. A round trip of about 650ks. 
>
>We enquired at Geelong Auto Image about dash mats of which they had a
>plentiful supply, but not of 928s. Karen mentioned that the cost of custom
>dash mats was $49, and said she would enquire about doing a batch for 928s. 
>
>I'd appreciate an indication of interest from members - the quality would 
>be the
>same as the protective mats which is very good. Colour range would be the 
>same. 
>
>Roger Holding
>1986 928S
>Geelong 
>
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Message: 13
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:29:22 -0000
  From: "rix928" <eheaney at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 

Yes please, put me down for a dash mat 

Rick H 

 

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Message: 14
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:38:54 +1000
  From: Jaime <928 at jaime.net>
Subject: Re: Vic Frenzy : Jamie invitation 

On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 02:59  PM, jb928s4 wrote:
> On that subject will you have the car and be
> able to join us on the Sun Oct 19 Frenzy to
> Hepburn Springs?
Hi John,
I've actually had my eye on this one  :O)
BUT it will all depend on when I pick up the car... and whether I get
the cam belt/water pump done in time.
There is a good chance that I will be able to make this one... but will
need to confirm closer to the day. 

> OTHERWISE
> If you are real keen, Rick H is getting numbers together
> for an early morning run from Eltham to Kinglake and
> breakfast at a winery between Research and Kangaroo
> Ground this coming Sat.
I definitely *won't* be able to make this one... but look forward to
similar in the (not too distant) future. 

> Eltham is just down the freeway from your place?
It's not too far... about 10 to 15 minutes by shark 


Jaime
LG88S4 

 

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Message: 15
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:38:45 +1000
  From: "TIMKAZ enterprises" <timkaz at tpg.com.au>
Subject: RE: reformat partition (no 928 content) 


Thanks Gary 


~ Hi Tim,
~
~ Several different options.
~
~ Being an old DOS man I would probably boot onto a Win98 boot disk, run
~ FDISK & wipe the partition (it will be a non-DOS partition as it won't
~ recognise NTFS).  You can then boot to your WinXP CD (check your PC
will
~ boot to a CD first!) & then re-install.
~
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Message: 16
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:46:19 +1000
  From: Jaime <928 at jaime.net>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 

I'm definitely interested in a black set!
Means I won't be in such a hurry to get the pod re-skinned  ;O) 

Jaime
LG88S4 


On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 01:32  PM, holdingrm wrote:
> I'd appreciate an indication of interest from members - the quality 
> would be the
> same as the protective mats which is very good. Colour range would be 
> the same.
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Message: 17
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:15:21 +1000
  From: "Graham Bates" <grahambates at shoal.net.au>
Subject: Re: Re: Tyre Pressures & Sizes 

Phil,
      Interesting bit on TV last week on Trackside. They had a rear wheel
off a F1 car, a new Michelin, combined weight wheel and tyre is 13.6 kilos! 

Regards,
Graham 

> Since the subject of tyre pressure comes up fairly often, the
> factory recommendations are: 
>
>     - 16" wheels 36/44psi front/rear;
>     - 17" wheels 36psi all round; and
>     - 18" wheels 30/32psi front/rear. 
>
>
> --
> Phil
 

 

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Message: 18
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:43:55 +1000
  From: Bruce Wilson <proem at bigpond.com>
Subject: Coffs Harbour.... Bookings going fast. 

Hi all,   Bruce and Janne have booked,  Georgia
taking bookings today said to pass on to members
that things are beginning to get low and if you
intend to go,  act soon. 

We will depart early Friday so we can take it
easy, if any others wish to do the same,  we would
love the company. 

Bruce... 

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Message: 19
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:28:26 +1000
  From: Doug Hillary <hillary_rttr at bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: Coffs Harbour.... Bookings going fast. 

Hi Bruce, 

great stuff 

Regards
Doug Hillary
'89 S4
 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Wilson" <proem at bigpond.com>
To: <landshark at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: [landshark] Coffs Harbour.... Bookings going fast. 


> Hi all,   Bruce and Janne have booked,  Georgia
> taking bookings today said to pass on to members
> that things are beginning to get low and if you
> intend to go,  act soon. 
>
> We will depart early Friday so we can take it
> easy, if any others wish to do the same,  we would
> love the company. 
>
> Bruce... 
>
> 9913 1393       B  9450 1962   0419 235 230 
>
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Message: 20
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:35:30 +1000
  From: "Chris Smid" <smiddy at datafast.net.au>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 

Smiddy would like a dash mat;maybe with Porsche  or 928 embroided somewhere
like above the glove box?Could even have the model,S4,S ,etc..?
 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime" <928 at jaime.net>
To: <landshark at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [landshark] Dash mats 


> I'm definitely interested in a black set!
> Means I won't be in such a hurry to get the pod re-skinned  ;O) 
>
> Jaime
> LG88S4 
>
>
> On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 01:32  PM, holdingrm wrote:
> > I'd appreciate an indication of interest from members - the quality
> > would be the
> > same as the protective mats which is very good. Colour range would be
> > the same.
> <snip> 
>
>
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Message: 21
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:47:48 +1000
  From: "johnpitman" <johnpitman at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: Dash mats 

Roger,
Put me down for one please. Colour and material used of great interest -
probably in white car, I would favour a grey or silver type . I actually got
a set of patterns off John C in Brisbane when I was there in June, and am
about to start looking at making something...as soon as I can find a source
of material. 

cheers, 

jp 83 S 

 -----Original Message-----
From: holdingrm [mailto:HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 1:33 PM
To: landshark at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [landshark] Dash mats 


Smiddy from Portland was here in Geelong on Friday collecting his
4 piece protective mats with a lady friend, Sandra. After the usual
928 banter, we had a pleasant lunch at the Barking Dog in West
Geelong and they headed back to Portland. A round trip of about 650ks. 

We enquired at Geelong Auto Image about dash mats of which they had a
plentiful supply, but not of 928s. Karen mentioned that the cost of custom
dash mats was $49, and said she would enquire about doing a batch for 928s. 

I'd appreciate an indication of interest from members - the quality would be
the
same as the protective mats which is very good. Colour range would be the
same. 

Roger Holding
1986 928S
Geelong 

 


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Message: 22
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:48:22 -0000
  From: "Cyclops" <johnc199 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dash mats 


Hi Roger, 

 --- In landshark at yahoogroups.com, holdingrm <HOLDINGRM at B...> wrote:
> 
> but I can't
> see how the mat would "tuck between the windscreen and the top of
> the dash:" There is no gap in my car as the dash meets flush with 
the
> 'screen..

I can. It's how I fit my perfectly fitting custom made (by Moi) mat.
My matting is about 5mm thick, including a firm backing, which allows
it to be pushed between the windscreen and the flexible edge of the
dash. THe pod section, which has to be a separate section, needs to
be capable of fitting properly at whatever steering column adjustment
is used. 

Would you enquire about putting some sort of emblem - say '928' in
the Porsche font, between two parallel lines, or the single line
shark-like silhouette. Only needs to be done in a really subtle way -
eg a half-shade difference in colour so that one has to look for a
second to be aware of it. 

Cheers, and thanks for making that enquiry. 

John C. 

 

> 
> The mats that they now produce are quite rigid and do not appear to 
be
> a usual carpet-type fabric. They seem similar to those purchased in 
Auto
> stores, but I can enquire about any design and finish. I would 
prefer carpet
> such as the floor mats with a  good quality binding around the edge. 
> 
> Roger Holding
> 1986 928S
> Geelong 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neil R Warwick" <neilandannie at b...>
> To: <landshark at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [landshark] Dash mats 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > Just my 2 pence worth on this. Do you think they can (please 
enquire) have
> > an edge which tucks between the windscreen and the top of the 
dash, since
> > the leather there is all but impossible to get anything on, except
> > sunlight. The uncut Magna / Verada mat I've been using this year, 
which
> > fits pretty well, including the dash vents, can't do this (this 
mat would
> > make a good starting template, actually). Second penny is that, 
if they
> can
> > do the edge, I' m in too. In fact, a foldover edge would be ideal 
for
> > holding the mat in, since it would avoid / minimise sticky things.
> >
> > Regards,
> > NeilW
> > >
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Message: 23
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:58:41 -0000
  From: "Cyclops" <johnc199 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another Sick Joke coming on? 


ROFL = Rolling On Floor Laughing. 

When it's really good you'll get:
ROFLMAO = Rolling On Floor Laughing My Arse Off. 

For faintly amusing stuff get:
LOL = Laugh Out Loud 

HTH.
YMMV. 

John C.
'89 S4 


 --- In landshark at yahoogroups.com, "Robbie A." <porsche_928 at o...>
wrote:
> What's ROFL? 
> 
> 
> >Just shows you have a similar mind to the rest of us! ROFL! 
> 
>  
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Message: 24
  Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:07:48 +1000
  From: "johnpitman" <johnpitman at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: GTS for auction 

I'm in Foot-is-gray, only a few minutes away. Will try to get down there
tomorrow..... 

jp 83 

 -----Original Message-----
From: holdingrm [mailto:HOLDINGRM at BIGPOND.COM]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:37 AM
To: landshark at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [landshark] GTS for auction 


Robin - I'm in Melb on Thursday. I'll have a look. 

Regards,
Roger Holding
1986 928S
Geelong 

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob 928" <rob928 at bigpond.net.au>
To: <landshark at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: [landshark] GTS for auction 


> noticed there is a 1993  GTS,  111966km  for auction in Melbourne with
nick Theodossi,      auction TBA at this stage,
> http://www.nicktheodossi.com.au/detail.asp?Stock=15002 
>
> anyone close enough to take a peek, 
>
> Robin
> Bris 
>
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Message: 25
  Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:05:48 -0000
  From: "jamsvx" <jamsvx at yahoo.com>
Subject: New Member Introduction 

Hi 

Just thought that I would say hello and give a brief introduction
now that my membership has been approved. 

My name is James and I drive a 1992 Subaru SVX. I also run the
Australian SVX Club and the Australasian section of the SVX
World Network. 

Anyways, as you can see from the car that I drive that I am partial
to the GT marque of cars (SVX, 8 series, 928's) and, after a very
fast introduction to the 928 by a lead footed uncle in Ireland, have
always had an interest in them. 

I'm not in the market for one at present (would need a
warehouse to house all the cars that I would be in the market for
if $$ permitted!) but would purchase one if garage space and
funds permitted. 

I live on the North Shore, Sydney and am 27 years old.  Well...I
can't think of anything else so looking forward to meeting up at a
drive day etc 

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From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net  Mon Oct  6 11:22:56 2003
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:22:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] FW: [Porsche944] 928 Ouch!
Message-ID: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEIIELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>


This is noone on the list, is it?

Kingsley

-----Original Message-----
From: porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk
[mailto:porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk]On Behalf Of
gary.stanford at barclays.co.uk
Sent: 06 October 2003 10:45
To: porsche944 at titanic.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Porsche944] 928 Ouch!




Driving to work this morning along the A20 (world of leather roundabout to
those that know the area) when I came across a Police cordon for a crashed
928s4, it looked as if it had left the road crossed the pavement and then
mounted a wall that appeared about 5 feet high. From what I could see damage
to the Off side front was substantial and as the car had mounted the wall I
assume the undertray and some engine parts were damaged. It appeared to be a
late car in guards red, not a pretty but a very expensive sight!

Gary



From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Mon Oct  6 12:02:33 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:02:33 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: 928 Ouch!
In-Reply-To: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEIIELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>
References: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEIIELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>
Message-ID: <E1A6T8L-0005aT-BJ@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

I really hope it's not Corrine, but the are and description fit 

Paul 

Kingsley Sawyers writes: 

> 
> This is noone on the list, is it? 
> 
> Kingsley 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk
> [mailto:porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk]On Behalf Of
> gary.stanford at barclays.co.uk
> Sent: 06 October 2003 10:45
> To: porsche944 at titanic.co.uk
> Subject: RE: [Porsche944] 928 Ouch! 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Driving to work this morning along the A20 (world of leather roundabout to
> those that know the area) when I came across a Police cordon for a crashed
> 928s4, it looked as if it had left the road crossed the pavement and then
> mounted a wall that appeared about 5 feet high. From what I could see damage
> to the Off side front was substantial and as the car had mounted the wall I
> assume the undertray and some engine parts were damaged. It appeared to be a
> late car in guards red, not a pretty but a very expensive sight! 
> 
> Gary 
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Mon Oct  6 13:10:26 2003
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:10:26 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: Australian List  928uk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <200310061004.h96A4Ei17509@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200310061004.h96A4Ei17509@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031006121026.829053C518@www.fastmail.fm>

Chris,

Landshark at Yahoo groups  http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/landshark
Their website is at   http://www.landsharkoz.com 

They do vet new members though but only to keep spammers and email addy
collectors out.

Joe

> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:23:22 EDT
> From: Chrisglynis at aol.com
> Subject: [928uk] Australian List
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1d6.11cf8b90.2cb29c9a at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Does anyone know of an Australian 928 list?  If so can you please let me
> have 
> details.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Chris
> 89 S4



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From ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  6 15:33:34 2003
From: ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com (brendan o'callaghan)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:33:34 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <Sea1-F60f50yAlzIXhG0000e87e@hotmail.com>

After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left the M25 
at Watford it made me think...

Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I have. And 
are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be 
interesting to know. And it could help.

Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.

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From Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk  Mon Oct  6 15:42:27 2003
From: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk (Northwood, Gareth)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:42:27 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <200310061347.h96Dlti28478@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

I was wondering the same myself!  Does anyone else fancy putting brief
details forward to form a simple location list (maybe to post on
928.org.uk).  It would have been interesting to see where local owners were
when looking for buying advice etc.  Nothing too revealing, just some vague
geography!  It might help spark a few more 'regional' gatherings as well.   

Gareth.  Black GT, Newport, Shrops (alas soon to be rainy Penrith, Cumbria)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	brendan o'callaghan [SMTP:ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 3:34 PM
> To:	928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject:	[928uk] 928's
> 
> After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left the
> M25 
> at Watford it made me think...
> 
> Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I have.
> And 
> are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be 
> interesting to know. And it could help.
> 
> Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.
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From Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk  Mon Oct  6 16:14:39 2003
From: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk (Northwood, Gareth)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:14:39 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> To:	Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
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> 
> John 
> 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Mon Oct  6 16:29:02 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:29:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00bd01c38c1e$92eb5670$16414ed5@computername>

I can easily put them onto a map for easy viewing.

Smiffy, 1980 S, Poole, Dorset.

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From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
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> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Mon Oct  6 16:33:05 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:33:05 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F701895811@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

Sadly, I think I am the only one here in Dublin... Hmm, could really do with
having at least one other 78-86 928er locally, to compare problems/solutions
with.

Gareth
1980 S
Minerva blue
South Co. Dublin, Ireland


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk] 
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:29
To: 928uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's

I can easily put them onto a map for easy viewing.

Smiffy, 1980 S, Poole, Dorset.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From richard at frontline-display.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 16:43:36 2003
From: richard at frontline-display.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:43:36 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's/Tilford 2003
In-Reply-To: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00cf01c38c20$9b81e810$1d00000a@Richard>

Great idea...

and great day on Saturday,
well done Stewart and Sue...
and thanks for being put centre stage...
Theo was asleep before we got to the bridge !

interesting drive back in the rain on the A303 roundabouts...
"finding the level of grip on greasy roads".... none, but great fun.

Cheers,
Richard
Strosek convertion III
S4
metalic green/grey
1987 (1988 model(?)
Bath, Hinton Charterhouse (somerset)



-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Northwood, Gareth
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> To:	Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
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>
> John
> 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Mon Oct  6 17:10:09 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:10:09 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Le Mans Classic
Message-ID: <hGBENDEhPZg$Ewwr@ritech-systems.com>

Just a thought
Anyone fancy doing the Le Mans classic 24hr next year?
It's a blast and not crowded like the Lemans main race
PCGB are going to have a big presence, but we could have a 928 gathering 
as well
Dates   23/24/25 July

http://www.lemansclassic.com/nouveautes2004/

Richard A



From richard at ritech-systems.com  Mon Oct  6 17:14:22 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:14:22 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <z2uAx4EeTZg$Eww2@ritech-systems.com>

Sounds good!

Richard Armstrong
S4
Forest Green
'91
Devizes, Wilts



In message <200310061420.h96EK6i30042 at raq01.multizone.co.uk>, 
"Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk> writes
>OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
>owner (first name only if you want)
>model
>colour
>year
>area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
>Gareth
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:        JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
>> Sent:        Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
>> To:  Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
>> Subject:     Re: [928uk] 928's
>>
>> John
>> 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From alex at ryles.fsbusiness.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 17:21:52 2003
From: alex at ryles.fsbusiness.co.uk (Alex Ryles)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:21:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005001c38c25$f41129f0$bad2883e@alexyl6ybf0ze3>

Hi,

I'm new to this list, but i've been posting occasionally on the Yahoo one
for the last year. Gareth, i wonder if it was you I saw in telford about
four months ago, given that your reasonably close?

Alex Ryles
928 S2
Guards Red
1984
Stoke-on-Trent/North Staffordshire

----- Original Message -----
From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
>
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Oct  6 17:41:57 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:41:57 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA49@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Attached is the nominal attendee list from Tilford as an excel spreadsheet.
This doesn't have owner location, but could be a handy starting point for
you Gareth!

(I actually sent 2 versions of this spreadsheet this morning [sorted by name
& by model] but these exceeded our 50KB list limit!)

This version is the one ordered by 928 model.

Scott '91 GT
Midnight Blue
Basingstoke, Hampshire.

-----Original Message-----
From: Northwood, Gareth [mailto:Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk]
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth


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From kev_hughes1 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  6 18:14:54 2003
From: kev_hughes1 at hotmail.com (Kev Hughes)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:14:54 +0000
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <Sea1-F169GvDpEDiOa70000ee2c@hotmail.com>

Kev Hughes

1987 granite S4    Wirral Merseyside


>From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at onetel.net.uk>
>To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:29:02 +0100
>
>I can easily put them onto a map for easy viewing.
>
>Smiffy, 1980 S, Poole, Dorset.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
>Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
>
>
> > OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start 
>compiling!
> >
> > owner (first name only if you want)
> > model
> > colour
> > year
> > area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> >
> > Gareth
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> > >
> > > John
> > > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
> >
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From go928 at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  6 18:21:28 2003
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham Orr (928))
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:21:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MCBBKEGMPCJLLIIHNDBIGENLCDAA.go928@btinternet.com>

Great idea.

Graham Orr
91 S4
Amazon Green pearlescent
Witham, Essex

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Northwood, Gareth
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's

OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth





From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 18:28:12 2003
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:28:12 EDT
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <19f.1b3692e1.2cb3002c@aol.com>

Tim Cooper, Midnight Blue '92gts, Bradfield, Essex
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Mon Oct  6 18:30:48 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:30:48 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928's/Tilford 2003
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA4C@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Richard - I didn't find Brett's toy 928 - its been lost on the cricket green
as a momentoe of the "Great Gathering"! Brett did enjoy playing cars with
Theo though, and it gave 'Daddy' time to chat to fellow 928 enthusiasts!

And while you slithered home on the A303, the artist was trying to finish
his piccy of my car (under an umbrella). You ought to get one done of your
Strosek. Great for 15GBP.

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard [mailto:richard at frontline-display.co.uk]
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:44
To: 'Northwood, Gareth'; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's/Tilford 2003

Great idea...

and great day on Saturday,
well done Stewart and Sue...
and thanks for being put centre stage...
Theo was asleep before we got to the bridge !

interesting drive back in the rain on the A303 roundabouts...
"finding the level of grip on greasy roads".... none, but great fun.

Cheers,
Richard
Strosek convertion III
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From ronald.smith at onetel.net  Mon Oct  6 18:50:12 2003
From: ronald.smith at onetel.net (Ron Smith)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:50:12 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford
Message-ID: <007801c38c32$4a89bca0$19854ed5@OneTrl>

Congratulations, Stewart, on getting 80 928s together in one place.  It was a really good day, even though I was there in disguise: the silver Kia!

Several people were really helpful in suggesting ways in which I could get the Porsche going again after such a long time off the road, but so far I've had no success.  Will persevere though, and come back to the list for help when I know more about what I'm doing and what knowledge I need.

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From andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 18:52:34 2003
From: andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk (Andy Boardman)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:52:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fluctuating voltmeter
Message-ID: <003c01c38c32$b0679e20$40c1edc1@BOARDMAN>

Evening

Thought I'd ask a question I think I have the answer to and have fixed but I'll need to wait until the next rainy day to test!

Driving to town this morning at 6am and on the A3 (driving for about an hour in crappy wet weather - lots of spray etc) when the lights started to pulse and the voltmeter was bouncing from 15 to 10 to 15 and the like before settling at less than 10.......luckily work was just around the corner at Tolworth Tower so pulled in and switched everything off - restarted and the same - no apparent charging at all.

Having changed the regulator unit some time ago I did not suspect that but I did suspect water being sucked up into the 3" airpipe that runs off the back of the alternator and into the inner wing where the outside temp sensor sits - when I was in there looking at the headlight adjuster I noticed the pipe was tatty and holed but apparently no more than it always had been...........anyway drove the car home at lunchtime in the dry and no problems. 

I went to my local auto centre and bought 1.5m of 75mm aluminiumised air ducting and took out the inner wheel arch protection and started to replace - only problem is that Porsche in their wisdom did not use 75mm but 80mm (or thereabouts) so all the pipe fittings would not fit inside the new pipe but they did snug fit on the outside of the pipe! - the fit into the alternator hose holder was a bit tight but wound in thread-like and tight and pushed into the tempsensor shoe also.

So casual rain and spray proof now I hope - if anyone thinks of anything else I need to check then please let me know

If you see a stranded silver 928 in the rain then you'll know it was not that!

Good to see such a turn out on Saturday.

Regards............Andy
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From ajones at versant.de  Mon Oct  6 18:54:07 2003
From: ajones at versant.de (Adrian Jones)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:54:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F60f50yAlzIXhG0000e87e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c38c32$d75b6390$96aa9851@Valiant2>

Great idea.

Adrian Jones
928 GT
Guards Red
1991
North Hants/Surrey

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of brendan o'callaghan
Sent: 06 October 2003 15:34
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928's

After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left the
M25 
at Watford it made me think...

Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I have.
And 
are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be 
interesting to know. And it could help.

Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.

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From john at jpjeffries.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 18:55:35 2003
From: john at jpjeffries.freeserve.co.uk (John Jeffries)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:55:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F60f50yAlzIXhG0000e87e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NOEMJGDLFEIHALGBEBDCIEBCCDAA.john@jpjeffries.freeserve.co.uk>

John Jeffries

S2 	Guards Red 1986 	Lingfield Surrey

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of brendan o'callaghan
Sent: 06 October 2003 15:34
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928's


After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left the M25
at Watford it made me think...

Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I have. And
are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be
interesting to know. And it could help.

Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.

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From simonblyth at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 18:55:46 2003
From: simonblyth at blueyonder.co.uk (simon blyth)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:55:46 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <008801c38c33$11c8aa10$e2322952@Jasmine>

excellent:

Simon
GTS
Satin Metalic Black
1993
Edinburgh


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
>
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From charles.vanasma at tesco.net  Mon Oct  6 19:00:21 2003
From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (Charles Van Asma)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:00:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <MCBBKEGMPCJLLIIHNDBIGENLCDAA.go928@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <PPEGLBOOJBEIGOFLAIPGMEGFCCAA.charles.vanasma@tesco.net>

            Charles van-Asma
            928 Auto
            Minerva Blue
            1980
            Farnborough Hampshire

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Graham Orr (928)
Sent: 06 October 2003 18:21
To: Northwood, Gareth; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's

Great idea.

Graham Orr
91 S4
Amazon Green pearlescent
Witham, Essex

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Northwood, Gareth
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's

OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth



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From LINDA1027 at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 19:09:58 2003
From: LINDA1027 at aol.com (LINDA1027 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:09:58 EDT
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <172.209afced.2cb309f6@aol.com>

Linda Blackmore
S4 Auto
Black
1987
Fulham, London
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From joe_icecool at fastmail.fm  Mon Oct  6 19:10:26 2003
From: joe_icecool at fastmail.fm (Joe Farman)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:10:26 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: 928's 928uk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <200310061659.h96GxUi05705@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
References: <200310061659.h96GxUi05705@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031006181026.E8C023DD4A@www.fastmail.fm>

Gareth,
great idea.

Joe Farman
928S Auto
Black
1983
East Riding of Yorkshire ('arfway 'tween York an Hull)

Cheers,
Joe

> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:14:39 +0100 
> From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
> Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
> To: "'928uk at 928.org.uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042 at raq01.multizone.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
> 
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> 
> Gareth
> 

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From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Mon Oct  6 19:03:27 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:03:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: Fluctuating voltmeter
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38c32$b0679e20$40c1edc1@BOARDMAN>
References: <003c01c38c32$b0679e20$40c1edc1@BOARDMAN>
Message-ID: <E1A6Zhf-0009ND-9S@mk-webmail-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

I've been running mine without ducting to the alternator with no apparent 
ill effects, I've simply never got around to fitting a new piece. Hate to 
think what the inside of my alternator looks like though. Anyone know where 
you can get 80mm? 

Paul 

87 S4 Manual 


Andy Boardman writes: 

> Evening 
> 
> Thought I'd ask a question I think I have the answer to and have fixed but I'll need to wait until the next rainy day to test! 
> 
> Driving to town this morning at 6am and on the A3 (driving for about an hour in crappy wet weather - lots of spray etc) when the lights started to pulse and the voltmeter was bouncing from 15 to 10 to 15 and the like before settling at less than 10.......luckily work was just around the corner at Tolworth Tower so pulled in and switched everything off - restarted and the same - no apparent charging at all. 
> 
> Having changed the regulator unit some time ago I did not suspect that but I did suspect water being sucked up into the 3" airpipe that runs off the back of the alternator and into the inner wing where the outside temp sensor sits - when I was in there looking at the headlight adjuster I noticed the pipe was tatty and holed but apparently no more than it always had been...........anyway drove the car home at lunchtime in the dry and no problems.  
> 
> I went to my local auto centre and bought 1.5m of 75mm aluminiumised air ducting and took out the inner wheel arch protection and started to replace - only problem is that Porsche in their wisdom did not use 75mm but 80mm (or thereabouts) so all the pipe fittings would not fit inside the new pipe but they did snug fit on the outside of the pipe! - the fit into the alternator hose holder was a bit tight but wound in thread-like and tight and pushed into the tempsensor shoe also. 
> 
> So casual rain and spray proof now I hope - if anyone thinks of anything else I need to check then please let me know 
> 
> If you see a stranded silver 928 in the rain then you'll know it was not that! 
> 
> Good to see such a turn out on Saturday. 
> 
> Regards............Andy
 



From sinclairpete at lineone.net  Mon Oct  6 19:37:24 2003
From: sinclairpete at lineone.net (Peter Sinclair)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:37:24 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re:(928uk) 928's
Message-ID: <00f201c38c38$e952f0d0$6b41e150@oemcomputer>

Am I on my own in Bedfordshire?

Pete Sinclair,

1983 S2 Gold  Stotfold, Bedfordshire

It would be great to see all owners on a map !
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From charlie.stowe at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Oct  6 19:32:14 2003
From: charlie.stowe at dsl.pipex.com (Charlie Stowe)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:32:14 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Le Mans Classic
In-Reply-To: <hGBENDEhPZg$Ewwr@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <NEEAKHFECMBDAHPKAGCKCEFKCBAA.charlie.stowe@dsl.pipex.com>

I will definitely go.

Any idea why it has move to July though, I thought September was ideal.

For those that didn't go to the inaugural event last year you really missed
out;

300 classic racing cars from 1920's bentleys/bugattis to 70's Alfa T33's/917
etc and everything inbetween.

A massive Porsche club parking area (400 cars last yr) parked by model as
well as type.

All area access (inc grandstands and pits/paddocks)

etc etc etc

Believe me it is well worth it


Charlie



-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Richard Armstrong
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:10 PM
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Le Mans Classic


Just a thought
Anyone fancy doing the Le Mans classic 24hr next year?
It's a blast and not crowded like the Lemans main race
PCGB are going to have a big presence, but we could have a 928 gathering
as well
Dates   23/24/25 July

http://www.lemansclassic.com/nouveautes2004/

Richard A

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From Diana.Barnard at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  6 19:35:06 2003
From: Diana.Barnard at btinternet.com (Diana Barnard)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:35:06 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 List
Message-ID: <007601c38c38$935515f0$f1958351@DIANAS>

Alan Barnard, 89Auto S4 Silver, Truro, Cornwall.
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From charlie.stowe at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Oct  6 19:37:25 2003
From: charlie.stowe at dsl.pipex.com (Charlie Stowe)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:37:25 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NEEAKHFECMBDAHPKAGCKOEFKCBAA.charlie.stowe@dsl.pipex.com>

For the records;

Charlie Stowe
GT
Midnight Blue
1990 (91 model year)
Market Deeping, Nr Peterborough, Cambs


Regards
Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Northwood, Gareth
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:15 PM
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> To:	Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> Subject:	Re: [928uk] 928's
>
> John
> 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From jonjeffryes at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 19:40:18 2003
From: jonjeffryes at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jon=20Jeffryes?=)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:40:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <19f.1b3692e1.2cb3002c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20031006184018.94198.qmail@web86307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Great Idea.

Jon Jeffryes

79 Auto#

Metallic Blue/Green

Crawley, West sussex






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From Chris at excalsolutions.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 19:45:42 2003
From: Chris at excalsolutions.co.uk (Chris at excalsolutions.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:45:42 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re:(928uk) 928's
Message-ID: <B65870CCD829AD4B9C4A34293804E889101C63@excalit03.excal.excalsolutions.co.uk>

Chris Weatherill 
1980 S Black, Car is in Bedfordshire, but I live in Milton Keynes!
(Been Laid up for 8 years!!)

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Sinclair [mailto:sinclairpete at lineone.net]
Sent: 06 October 2003 19:37
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] Re:(928uk) 928's



Am I on my own in Bedfordshire?
 
Pete Sinclair,
 
1983 S2 Gold  Stotfold, Bedfordshire
 
It would be great to see all owners on a map !

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From CourtBPMS at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 19:55:05 2003
From: CourtBPMS at aol.com (CourtBPMS at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:55:05 EDT
Subject: [928uk] The list
Message-ID: <1d8.11f82bf4.2cb31489@aol.com>

1985 S2 Manual dark blue metallic - proud owner of 1 month standing!

Tim Court

Ashbourne, Derbyshire
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From parker at theolddart.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 19:58:47 2003
From: parker at theolddart.freeserve.co.uk (Ross PARKER)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:58:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <001301c38c3b$e0f33460$07d44c51@pbncomputer>

Ross Parker
S4
Linen Metallic
'89
Moreton in Marsh, Glos
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From james at rysuk.com  Mon Oct  6 20:01:52 2003
From: james at rysuk.com (James Sweeting)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:01:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006901c38c3c$4dfd05e0$0c01a8c0@quadriga.com>

James Sweeting
928 S
Rosewood metallic (brown)
1982
Haslemere, Surrey

Good idea!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
>
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From jemn at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  6 20:09:21 2003
From: jemn at btinternet.com (Jemn)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:09:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F60f50yAlzIXhG0000e87e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201c38c3d$5f3e54c0$0100a8c0@jah>

Jeremy & Suzanne Napier
Prussian Blue S2 & Aquamarine Blue S4
Bourne End Bucks.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of brendan o'callaghan
Sent: 06 October 2003 15:34
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928's

After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left the
M25 
at Watford it made me think...

Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I have.
And 
are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be 
interesting to know. And it could help.

Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.

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From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Mon Oct  6 19:18:32 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:18:32 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Tilford Pictures
Message-ID: <E1A6ZwH-000AH5-4O@mk-webmail-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>


Thanks to Stewart & Co for organising such a great meet. I've posted a few 
pics here: 

www.928.org.uk/~ukkid35 

You're welcome to email me with any captions you wish to add! 

Cheers 

Paul 

87 S4 Manual


From adrian at achayes.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 20:10:45 2003
From: adrian at achayes.co.uk (Adrian Hayes)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:10:45 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
	<006901c38c3c$4dfd05e0$0c01a8c0@quadriga.com>
Message-ID: <022601c38c3d$8b4451f0$0b01a8c0@adriancomputer>

Adrian Hayes
GT
Tahoe Blue (linen)
1991
Reading, Berks

Very sorry I didn't make Tilford.  Had to take my son to rugby (the game
unfortunately; I'd have enjoyed the drive to Rugby).

Adrian

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
>
>
> > OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start
compiling!
> >
> > owner (first name only if you want)
> > model
> > colour
> > year
> > area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> >
> > Gareth
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> > >
> > > John
> > > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ------------------------------------------
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> > > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom
> > > they are addressed. If you have received this email in error
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From corinnepage at btopenworld.com  Mon Oct  6 20:30:24 2003
From: corinnepage at btopenworld.com (Corinne Page)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:30:24 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 Ouch!
References: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEIIELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>
	<E1A6T8L-0005aT-BJ@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c38c40$4b8f8b80$33d38351@corinnehome>

not me, thank God!!  I did use that roundabout yesterday a couple of times,
but the car is now sitting quietly outside the house, not impaled on a wall

----- Original Message -----
From: <ukkid35 at breathe.com>
To: "Kingsley Sawyers" <kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net>
Cc: "928Maillist" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: [928uk] Re: 928 Ouch!


> I really hope it's not Corrine, but the are and description fit
>
> Paul
>
> Kingsley Sawyers writes:
>
> >
> > This is noone on the list, is it?
> >
> > Kingsley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk
> > [mailto:porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk]On Behalf Of
> > gary.stanford at barclays.co.uk
> > Sent: 06 October 2003 10:45
> > To: porsche944 at titanic.co.uk
> > Subject: RE: [Porsche944] 928 Ouch!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Driving to work this morning along the A20 (world of leather roundabout
to
> > those that know the area) when I came across a Police cordon for a
crashed
> > 928s4, it looked as if it had left the road crossed the pavement and
then
> > mounted a wall that appeared about 5 feet high. From what I could see
damage
> > to the Off side front was substantial and as the car had mounted the
wall I
> > assume the undertray and some engine parts were damaged. It appeared to
be a
> > late car in guards red, not a pretty but a very expensive sight!
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 20:18:57 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:18:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk><006901c38c3c$4dfd05e0$0c01a8c0@quadriga.com>
	<022601c38c3d$8b4451f0$0b01a8c0@adriancomputer>
Message-ID: <00a601c38c3e$b42b3f60$c98787d9@BRIERLEY>

Andrew Brierley
1991 GT
Guards Red
Bolton, Lancashire



From corinnepage at btopenworld.com  Mon Oct  6 20:35:01 2003
From: corinnepage at btopenworld.com (Corinne Page)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:35:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005e01c38c40$efbde120$33d38351@corinnehome>

please add me:

Corinne Page
928 GT
guards red
1991
Catford, South East London

----- Original Message -----
From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
>
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From mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 20:34:49 2003
From: mail at bexhillonsea.freeserve.co.uk (WILLIAM  ROBERTSON)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:34:49 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00b501c38c41$1d67f160$70a7883e@CARLTONCOURT>

Great idea, look forward to the results.
Bill (William!) Robertson
1979 928 light blue
1990 S4 Baltic Blue
Bexhill-on-Sea, East Sussex
(The birthplace off British motor racing)
It's what the sign says, honest!!
---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
>
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From Owen928S4 at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 20:28:52 2003
From: Owen928S4 at aol.com (Owen928S4 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:28:52 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Owner Details
Message-ID: <173.207d27c9.2cb31c74@aol.com>

Owen Guppy 
S4
Tahoe Blue
1991
Wootton Bassett, Swindon, Wilts
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From malcolm.nicholls1 at virgin.net  Mon Oct  6 20:27:32 2003
From: malcolm.nicholls1 at virgin.net (malcolm nicholls)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:27:32 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928 list
Message-ID: <005e01c38c3f$e505d9a0$41926751@oemcomputer>

                                                                                                                                                                                          Vic Nicholls
928s
Gaurds red
1982
Bristol South Gloucestershire

I'am also interested in going to Le Mans next year , but will have to check out dates etc.
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From angusf at mac.com  Mon Oct  6 21:24:29 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (Angus Fox)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:24:29 +0000
Subject: [928uk] owner info
Message-ID: <8163072.1065471869482.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>

Angus Fox
89 GT, Guards Red
Bookham, Nr Leatherhead, Surrey


From marton at befree.ch  Mon Oct  6 21:32:40 2003
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:32:40 +0200
Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful
References: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F70156DC20@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>
Message-ID: <03b301c38c48$fd6207e0$18abfea9@simone>

Well done Gareth, very happy to hear it is back now.  Thought you said it was a write off......

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Croeser, Gareth 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:02 PM
  Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful


  well, after nearly a year of having a pushed-in rear (thanks mr bulgarian truck driver) and spending 6 months getting rather intimate with the engine, she's back from the panel beaters...

  god, she looks great.  the guy matched the colour perfectly and she looks like new again.

  so, happy days, i drive a Porsche again.. and not a banger...

  before and after pix to follow...

  g
  extremely happy... :o)
  ________________________________________________

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  SAP Basis

  ITSIS Ltd

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From marton at befree.ch  Mon Oct  6 21:36:23 2003
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:36:23 +0200
Subject: [928uk] 928 Brakes
References: <002101c388f3$a33202a0$d60adccb@vincenjrxvbh5j>
	<003801c38902$3c2b81d0$95444ed5@computername>
Message-ID: <03ba01c38c49$825dea40$18abfea9@simone>

High,

Gave my brakes a very hard time at the Nurburgring recently and not a sign
of fade, hard to believe you could find a mountain pass which is tougher
than the ring.

When I boughtg my car, I found out the handed discs were fitted on the wrong
sides.  Might be worth you also checking those _ probably does not do a lot
for the cooling.................

Marton


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul R Smith" <smiffypr at onetel.net.uk>
To: "928uk" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928 Brakes


> I think the later specs call for DOT 4, but DOT 5.1 is higher spec, and
> might be more appropriate if you do lots of mountain passes. You should
get
> either in a motor accessory shop or service station.
>
> Yes, to change the fluid you basically bleed the system until clean fluid
> comes out of all the bleed points. You can help get all the old stuff out
of
> the callipers by pushing the pads back while opening the bleed nipples
> (after you've already flushed clean fluid through). You should get through
a
> full litre of fluid.
>
> Smiffy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vince" <porsche928 at dodo.com.au>
> To: "'Paul R Smith'" <smiffypr at onetel.net.uk>; "'928uk'"
<928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [928uk] 928 Brakes
>
>
> >
> > Dear Smiffy,
> >
> > The fluid is due for a change!. What will be the recommended fluid? .
> > Can it be a fluid you would purchase from a service station ? They sell
> > all the popular brands.
> > Never changed brake fluid b4 , :) I would think that you start by
> > removing the fluid from the brake master cylinder , replace it with the
> > new one and then bleed out the system until new fluid takes over ?.
> > Suggestions ?
> >
> > Thanks Paul,
> >
> > Vince
> >
> >
> >
>
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From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net  Mon Oct  6 21:49:07 2003
From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:49:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NFBBLBADILAOKIFCJCAFAEKMDOAA.jon.holdsworth1@virgin.net>

Jon Holdsworth

Black '88 SE
Wapping London

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Northwood, Gareth
> Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
> To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
> Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
>
>
> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To:	Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject:	Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 21:47:31 2003
From: andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk (Andrew Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:47:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Another new owner
References: <200310060639.h966dmi07434@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
	<QaaI6ZZMoSg$Ewnd@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c38c4b$1035c120$a100a8c0@kenny2>

Guys and gals,

Why do you think we are seeing a resurgance in 928 ownership?  I joined the
928 club earlier this year, run it as a second car,  and I bought it for
these reasons.

1.  I was watching top gear, where the bloke who designed the Aston db7 and
the Jag XK8 said he rated the 928 as 'the most beautiful car ever' -
clarkson disagreed and i was there on the sofa shouting hes right!,
......thinking thats my most dream car ever I want one more than I want a
lotus esprit
2.  I looked on autotrader and my jaw dropped at how you could pick one up
for the price of a used Ka
3.  This website and all its advice on ownership made me realise that
running costs could be contained.

And despite the saga of my exhaust gaskets, driving the car continues to
remind me its the best money ive ever spent

Andrew 84 S2.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Armstrong" <richard at ritech-systems.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Another new owner


> The number of new owners seems to be growing rapidly.
> It looks like the 928 is becoming the classic car to have.
> Wishful thinking maybe, but I started to find that good ones were being
> snapped up quickly when I was looking a couple of months ago (that will
> be Keith Morgan who nipped in and bought the car I was after when I
> dithered!). Also some cars have been going recently for what I
> considered 'over the top' prices 6 months ago - namely the pristine S4
> on the .org site, and Andrew Brierley's recently.
> Good to see so many enthusiasts - indicated by the turn out at Tilford
> last Sat.
> Richard A
>
>
>
>
> In message <200310060639.h966dmi07434 at raq01.multizone.co.uk>,
> "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk> writes
> >Morning all.
> >
> >It may be Monday but I'm walking round like a fat dumb Cheshire cat
today!
> >I'm now the proud owner of my first 928, a black 90 GT.  Picked the car
up
> >on Friday and have been having Christmas morning ever since.  Spent most
of
> >the weekend either driving it or looking at it out the window and
thinking
> >about driving it.  Even my better half has driven it and now likes it - a
> >convert!! (although she can't decide if she likes the engine growl or the
> >pop-up lights best!)  Needless to say I like the whole thing best!
> >
> >So far so good, everything works as it should and no odd noises yet.
Thanks
> >to all on the list for the everyday wealth of info about what to look for
> >and how to live with the cars - really good preparation for taking the
> >plunge.  I've been reading the list for about 6 months to learn what I
could
> >- priceless.
> >
> >Right, better get back to work, I'll just check out the office window
> >first....
> >
> >Gareth
> >(black 90 GT)
> >
> >
>
>
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From marton at befree.ch  Mon Oct  6 21:48:38 2003
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:38 +0200
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
References: <Law12-F120sJWuRnH9m0000eb14@hotmail.com>
	<000a01c389d5$e9aa5740$81ddfea9@pc1>
Message-ID: <048f01c38c4b$38c24f00$18abfea9@simone>

>
> Belgian traffic use 911's. Very cool with  their raybans.


I remember that years ago, the German police would patrol the autobahns in
open Porsches and wearing motorcycle leathers with white crash helmets.
Looked fun in Summer but not my cup of tea in mid-winter.

Marton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
To: "stuart hickmott" <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>; "928 mail list"
<928uk at 928.org.uk>; "928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade


> We have tried all sorts of stuff in the past. The problem is either that
it
> breaks or, given our milage, it needs servicing so often it spends more
time
> in the workshop than on the road.
>
> Belgian traffic use 911's. Very cool with  their raybans.
>
> Paul B.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stuart hickmott" <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>
> To: <paul.berridge at virgin.net>; <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>;
> <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
>
>
> > Didnt essex cop shop try out the 911 turbo and RS 200 back in the 80's.
> >
> >
> > stuart
> >
> > GT
> >
> >
> > >From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
> > >To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>,   "928 mail list"
> > ><928uk at 928.org.uk>, "928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> > >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:52:38 +0100
> > >
> > >RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fadeYes, I have to agree, Vauxhall is hardly in
> the
> > >same league as Porsche. If only they would give a Porsche as a patrol
car
> > >!!
> > >
> > >Dream,Dream
> > >
> > >Paul B
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Andrew Brierley
> > >   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > >   Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:40 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> > >
> > >
> > >   I posted a mail a couple of weeks ago about the SBS brake pads that
> > >Chris Sanderson put on the front of my GT. I have continued to be
> impressed
> > >with these pads finding they pull the car up better that the standard
> pads.
> > >   I'll let you know jus how good after the track day at Oulton Park
next
> > >week.
> > >
> > >   Andrew
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: Walker, Scott
> > >     To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
> > >     Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
> > >     Subject: RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> > >
> > >
> > >     Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight
> > >that Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the
> > >business" for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts
> > >(discs/pads) on mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a
> track
> > >day in 35 degree heat!).
> > >
> > >     As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of
> the
> > >scale [i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do
> for
> > >road use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake parts
vs.
> > >Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.
> > >
> > >     Scott '91 GT
> > >
> > >     P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid
> > >either... the "other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR
> Cerbera)
> > >is a "performance car" with decent brake parts - but according to owner
> > >reports in the club magazine, they easily fry pads/warp discs due to
the
> > >poor design of air cooling/ducting to the brakes. Glad I bought a
> > >well-engineered car...
> > >
> > >     -----Original Message-----
> > >     From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk]
> > >
> > >      I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very
> > >well..... The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the wear
> > >limit.
> > >
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
> > >
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From charles.vanasma at tesco.net  Mon Oct  6 21:53:08 2003
From: charles.vanasma at tesco.net (Charles Van Asma)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:53:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
In-Reply-To: <048f01c38c4b$38c24f00$18abfea9@simone>
Message-ID: <PPEGLBOOJBEIGOFLAIPGAEGPCCAA.charles.vanasma@tesco.net>

            Marton

            So did the Dutch traffic cops until a couple of years ago, when
they retired the 911's.

            Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
marton
Sent: 06 October 2003 21:49
To: Paul Berridge; 928 mail list; 928gb
Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade

>
> Belgian traffic use 911's. Very cool with  their raybans.


I remember that years ago, the German police would patrol the autobahns in
open Porsches and wearing motorcycle leathers with white crash helmets.
Looked fun in Summer but not my cup of tea in mid-winter.

Marton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
To: "stuart hickmott" <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>; "928 mail list"
<928uk at 928.org.uk>; "928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade


> We have tried all sorts of stuff in the past. The problem is either that
it
> breaks or, given our milage, it needs servicing so often it spends more
time
> in the workshop than on the road.
>
> Belgian traffic use 911's. Very cool with  their raybans.
>
> Paul B.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stuart hickmott" <stuart928gt at hotmail.com>
> To: <paul.berridge at virgin.net>; <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>;
> <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
>
>
> > Didnt essex cop shop try out the 911 turbo and RS 200 back in the 80's.
> >
> >
> > stuart
> >
> > GT
> >
> >
> > >From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
> > >To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>,   "928 mail list"
> > ><928uk at 928.org.uk>, "928gb" <928GB at yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> > >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:52:38 +0100
> > >
> > >RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fadeYes, I have to agree, Vauxhall is hardly in
> the
> > >same league as Porsche. If only they would give a Porsche as a patrol
car
> > >!!
> > >
> > >Dream,Dream
> > >
> > >Paul B
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Andrew Brierley
> > >   To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> > >   Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:40 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> > >
> > >
> > >   I posted a mail a couple of weeks ago about the SBS brake pads that
> > >Chris Sanderson put on the front of my GT. I have continued to be
> impressed
> > >with these pads finding they pull the car up better that the standard
> pads.
> > >   I'll let you know jus how good after the track day at Oulton Park
next
> > >week.
> > >
> > >   Andrew
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: Walker, Scott
> > >     To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
> > >     Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
> > >     Subject: RE: [928uk] GT Brakes / fade
> > >
> > >
> > >     Re: the 2 comments below on OEM brake parts, I'd like to highlight
> > >that Porsche brakes are well-known to be pretty much "the best in the
> > >business" for production cars. Hence I have stuck with the OEM parts
> > >(discs/pads) on mine & been very pleased with performance (even at a
> track
> > >day in 35 degree heat!).
> > >
> > >     As Smiffy says, Vauxhall's (& Ford's etc.) are at the other end of
> the
> > >scale [i.e. put the cheapest braking system on that will just about do
> for
> > >road use]. So we shouldn't get confused about Porsche OEM brake parts
vs.
> > >Vauxhall [et al] OEM brake parts.
> > >
> > >     Scott '91 GT
> > >
> > >     P.S. Brake fade/overheating is not just down discs/pads/fluid
> > >either... the "other" car I considered before buying the 928 (TVR
> Cerbera)
> > >is a "performance car" with decent brake parts - but according to owner
> > >reports in the club magazine, they easily fry pads/warp discs due to
the
> > >poor design of air cooling/ducting to the brakes. Glad I bought a
> > >well-engineered car...
> > >
> > >     -----Original Message-----
> > >     From: Paul R Smith [mailto:smiffypr at onetel.net.uk]
> > >
> > >      I can say that standard Porsche brakes stand up to track use very
> > >well..... The only cracked (Porsche) discs I've had were below the wear
> > >limit.
> > >
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
> > >
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From drnagwagner at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  6 22:02:05 2003
From: drnagwagner at hotmail.com (dr. nag wagner)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:02:05 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <Law10-F125yii3lDraH0000db92@hotmail.com>

Nick Wagner
928 S auto
Wine red with dark and light brown leather with berber
1981
Moreton-on-Lugg, Herefordshire


>From: "James Sweeting" <james at rysuk.com>
>To: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>, 
><928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:01:52 +0100
>
>James Sweeting
>928 S
>Rosewood metallic (brown)
>1982
>Haslemere, Surrey
>
>Good idea!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
>To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
>Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
>
>
> > OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start 
>compiling!
> >
> > owner (first name only if you want)
> > model
> > colour
> > year
> > area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> >
> > Gareth
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> > >
> > > John
> > > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
> >
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From alex at ryles.fsbusiness.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 22:07:06 2003
From: alex at ryles.fsbusiness.co.uk (Alex Ryles)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:07:06 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Another new owner
References: <200310060639.h966dmi07434@raq01.multizone.co.uk><QaaI6ZZMoSg$Ewnd@ritech-systems.com>
	<004c01c38c4b$1035c120$a100a8c0@kenny2>
Message-ID: <009201c38c4d$cd383850$b3804c51@alexyl6ybf0ze3>

I got into the 928 because as i kid, i loved the 911. Hopwever, i wouldnt
swap a 928 for a 911 now. I think people are seeing 911 prices as beiung two
or three times the price (for a Carrera 3.2 for example) and basically
getting an inferior car. I've often thought that the 911's praises are sung
so highly to keep the market buoyant, i guess the smart people are putting
their money into 928's because its a more rewarding car. What car better
than a 928S2 is there for ?4k?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Ferguson" <andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; "Richard Armstrong" <richard at ritech-systems.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Another new owner


> Guys and gals,
>
> Why do you think we are seeing a resurgance in 928 ownership?  I joined
the
> 928 club earlier this year, run it as a second car,  and I bought it for
> these reasons.
>
> 1.  I was watching top gear, where the bloke who designed the Aston db7
and
> the Jag XK8 said he rated the 928 as 'the most beautiful car ever' -
> clarkson disagreed and i was there on the sofa shouting hes right!,
> ......thinking thats my most dream car ever I want one more than I want a
> lotus esprit
> 2.  I looked on autotrader and my jaw dropped at how you could pick one up
> for the price of a used Ka
> 3.  This website and all its advice on ownership made me realise that
> running costs could be contained.
>
> And despite the saga of my exhaust gaskets, driving the car continues to
> remind me its the best money ive ever spent
>
> Andrew 84 S2.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Armstrong" <richard at ritech-systems.com>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Another new owner
>
>
> > The number of new owners seems to be growing rapidly.
> > It looks like the 928 is becoming the classic car to have.
> > Wishful thinking maybe, but I started to find that good ones were being
> > snapped up quickly when I was looking a couple of months ago (that will
> > be Keith Morgan who nipped in and bought the car I was after when I
> > dithered!). Also some cars have been going recently for what I
> > considered 'over the top' prices 6 months ago - namely the pristine S4
> > on the .org site, and Andrew Brierley's recently.
> > Good to see so many enthusiasts - indicated by the turn out at Tilford
> > last Sat.
> > Richard A
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In message <200310060639.h966dmi07434 at raq01.multizone.co.uk>,
> > "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk> writes
> > >Morning all.
> > >
> > >It may be Monday but I'm walking round like a fat dumb Cheshire cat
> today!
> > >I'm now the proud owner of my first 928, a black 90 GT.  Picked the car
> up
> > >on Friday and have been having Christmas morning ever since.  Spent
most
> of
> > >the weekend either driving it or looking at it out the window and
> thinking
> > >about driving it.  Even my better half has driven it and now likes it -
a
> > >convert!! (although she can't decide if she likes the engine growl or
the
> > >pop-up lights best!)  Needless to say I like the whole thing best!
> > >
> > >So far so good, everything works as it should and no odd noises yet.
> Thanks
> > >to all on the list for the everyday wealth of info about what to look
for
> > >and how to live with the cars - really good preparation for taking the
> > >plunge.  I've been reading the list for about 6 months to learn what I
> could
> > >- priceless.
> > >
> > >Right, better get back to work, I'll just check out the office window
> > >first....
> > >
> > >Gareth
> > >(black 90 GT)
> > >
> > >
> >
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From max.carter at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  6 22:12:00 2003
From: max.carter at btinternet.com (Max Carter)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:12:00 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <200310061347.h96Dlti28478@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <008c01c38c4e$845a1620$5f00a8c0@MNCCENTRAL>



Max Carter
S4
Grey
1992
Bourne End, Bucks SL8 5DA


Regards



Max
07966 293126

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of Northwood, Gareth
Sent: 06 October 2003 14:42
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's

I was wondering the same myself!  Does anyone else fancy putting brief
details forward to form a simple location list (maybe to post on
928.org.uk).  It would have been interesting to see where local owners
were
when looking for buying advice etc.  Nothing too revealing, just some
vague
geography!  It might help spark a few more 'regional' gatherings as
well.   

Gareth.  Black GT, Newport, Shrops (alas soon to be rainy Penrith,
Cumbria)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	brendan o'callaghan [SMTP:ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 3:34 PM
> To:	928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject:	[928uk] 928's
> 
> After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left
the
> M25 
> at Watford it made me think...
> 
> Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I
have.
> And 
> are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be 
> interesting to know. And it could help.
> 
> Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.
> 
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From ben at butcher114.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 22:12:46 2003
From: ben at butcher114.freeserve.co.uk (Ben Butcher)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:12:46 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <Law10-F125yii3lDraH0000db92@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009101c38c4f$3ed61b70$156b1f51@abit>

Ben Butcher
928 S2
Grand Prix White
1984
Derby

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dr. nag wagner" <drnagwagner at hotmail.com>
To: <james at rysuk.com>; <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's


> Nick Wagner
> 928 S auto
> Wine red with dark and light brown leather with berber
> 1981
> Moreton-on-Lugg, Herefordshire
>
>
> >From: "James Sweeting" <james at rysuk.com>
> >To: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>,
> ><928uk at 928.org.uk>
> >Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:01:52 +0100
> >
> >James Sweeting
> >928 S
> >Rosewood metallic (brown)
> >1982
> >Haslemere, Surrey
> >
> >Good idea!
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
> >To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> >Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
> >Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
> >
> >
> > > OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start
> >compiling!
> > >
> > > owner (first name only if you want)
> > > model
> > > colour
> > > year
> > > area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> > >
> > > Gareth
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > > > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > > > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
> > >
> > >
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From andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 22:22:36 2003
From: andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk (Andy Boardman)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:22:36 +0100
Subject: [928uk] the list
Message-ID: <008301c38c50$06997b20$40c1edc1@BOARDMAN>

Andy Boardman
S4 
Silver / Maroon trim
1987 Auto
Gills Green, Hawkhurst, Kent



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From porsche928s at btopenworld.com  Mon Oct  6 22:28:02 2003
From: porsche928s at btopenworld.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:28:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <015101c38c50$b943b380$1b232152@shithot>

Paul Anderson,
1981 S
Cherry red mettalic
Manual


1986 S2 Auto
Prussian Blue mettalic

1993 GTS Manual
Black,

Stroud,Gloucestershire


From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Mon Oct  6 22:43:56 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:43:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: 928 Ouch!
In-Reply-To: <003c01c38c40$4b8f8b80$33d38351@corinnehome>
References: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEIIELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>
	<E1A6T8L-0005aT-BJ@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>
	<003c01c38c40$4b8f8b80$33d38351@corinnehome>
Message-ID: <E1A6d92-000HTS-8S@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

Phew!!! 

Sorry to have doubted you (actually I didn't - but it all seemed too close 
for comfort) 

Paul 


Corinne Page writes: 

> not me, thank God!!  I did use that roundabout yesterday a couple of times,
> but the car is now sitting quietly outside the house, not impaled on a wall 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ukkid35 at breathe.com>
> To: "Kingsley Sawyers" <kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net>
> Cc: "928Maillist" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: [928uk] Re: 928 Ouch! 
> 
> 
>> I really hope it's not Corrine, but the are and description fit 
>>
>> Paul 
>>
>> Kingsley Sawyers writes: 
>>
>> >
>> > This is noone on the list, is it?
>> >
>> > Kingsley
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk
>> > [mailto:porsche944-admin at titanic.co.uk]On Behalf Of
>> > gary.stanford at barclays.co.uk
>> > Sent: 06 October 2003 10:45
>> > To: porsche944 at titanic.co.uk
>> > Subject: RE: [Porsche944] 928 Ouch!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Driving to work this morning along the A20 (world of leather roundabout
> to
>> > those that know the area) when I came across a Police cordon for a
> crashed
>> > 928s4, it looked as if it had left the road crossed the pavement and
> then
>> > mounted a wall that appeared about 5 feet high. From what I could see
> damage
>> > to the Off side front was substantial and as the car had mounted the
> wall I
>> > assume the undertray and some engine parts were damaged. It appeared to
> be a
>> > late car in guards red, not a pretty but a very expensive sight!
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > 928uk mailing list
>> > 928uk at 928.org.uk
>> > http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 
>>
>>
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From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Mon Oct  6 22:50:03 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:50:03 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: (928uk) 928's
In-Reply-To: <B65870CCD829AD4B9C4A34293804E889101C63@excalit03.excal.excalsolutions.co.uk>
References: <B65870CCD829AD4B9C4A34293804E889101C63@excalit03.excal.excalsolutions.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E1A6dEx-000Hnh-Ck@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

Pressumably it's the car that's been laid up, not you... 

Paul 


Chris at excalsolutions.co.uk writes: 

> Chris Weatherill 
> 1980 S Black, Car is in Bedfordshire, but I live in Milton Keynes!
> (Been Laid up for 8 years!!) 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sinclair [mailto:sinclairpete at lineone.net]
> Sent: 06 October 2003 19:37
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Re:(928uk) 928's 
> 
>  
> 
> Am I on my own in Bedfordshire?
>  
> Pete Sinclair,
>  
> 1983 S2 Gold  Stotfold, Bedfordshire
>  
> It would be great to see all owners on a map ! 
> 
 



From andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 23:05:32 2003
From: andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk (Andrew Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:05:32 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Exhaust Gaskets - Part 3 - The End
Message-ID: <010b01c38c55$f5fca570$a100a8c0@kenny2>

Well, I now have my car back from the garage.  Complete with a brand new set of exhaust manifold  gaskets.

The saga..... two broken studs on manifolds 4 and 8.  blowing exhaust manifold, car sounding dreadful, and getting worse.  Took it to JZ Machtech, who gamely said they would try their best to drill out the broken studs and get the manifolds changed without removing the heads from the car. They did just that, but it took them 12.5 hours labour to do so, at 50 quid an hour - to be fair this included some extra welding along the way, and check over of the air con compressor.  Final bill was 780 with the remaining balance being in parts, including 22 locking nuts at 1.90 each ex vat - work that one out! 

Am I pleased?  Well two previous garages wouldnt touch it, or simply went for the sharp intake of breath and 'thats an engine out job, that mate' phrase. 

Graham Bates said 'Your car will be transformed with new exhaust gaskets'  Graham you are so right, driving it now its got the perfect V8 note back, and I sharp forgot about the costs as I drove it up the sliproad at J20 onto the M25!.......I'll be back down to earth next month when I get the barclaycard bill!.  For me I'm pleased that car is sorted now, and I can start enjoying it again, and Im happy that a good job has been done - I got to have a look under the car, pre and post work, to see the work that had done.  For anyone else, I guess my advice is, if you need studs drilling out, in car, JZ have the proven capability to do this, but if you are on a budget you might want to find an alternative way to solve it.  

On a final note, one explanation I got along the way is that as the cars get older, its not uncommon for the studs to fallout or break.  All to do with the hot exhaust gases/pressures etc. making the steel studs brittle over time.  Its also seems to be a theme that they go on manifolds 4 and 8 - the ones on the back.  I think this was the first change on my car in its 20 years on the road.  Wouldnt hurt for people just to keep an eye on these on your own car, but you can only really get to them if the car is on a lift.

anyways almost another day so that I can drive it again!

Andrew 84 S2.






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From grahambates at shoal.net.au  Mon Oct  6 23:26:08 2003
From: grahambates at shoal.net.au (Graham Bates)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:26:08 +1000
Subject: [928uk] Re: [928GB] Fluctuating voltmeter
References: <003c01c38c32$b0679e20$40c1edc1@BOARDMAN>
Message-ID: <013201c38c59$b810e9c0$0400a8c0@grahambates>

Andy,
         That flat alternator belt has to be really tight, much tighter than the timing belt for example. The workshop manual has the details. Some belt conditioner sprayed on will help too.
    I have made my own front shield from a piece of 3 mm alloy plate. Its about 1 metre long  and 220 mm wide with about 20 mm slight bend on the two long sides. It bolts to the two metal skids on the lower control arms, the front edge fits over the radiator tabs and the back edge just goes under the front edge of the sump. The shield covers the front section of the alternator too and the associated belts and tubing. I was concerned about picking up rubbish off the road and destroying belts, it gives far more protection to the alternator than the stock set up.

Regards,
Graham Bates '82 928s
  Driving to town this morning at 6am and on the A3 (driving for about an hour in crappy wet weather - lots of spray etc) when the lights started to pulse and the voltmeter was bouncing from 15 to 10 to 15 and the like before settling at less than 10.......luckily work was just around the corner at Tolworth Tower so pulled in and switched everything off - restarted and the same - no apparent charging at all.

  Having changed the regulator unit some time ago I did not suspect that but I did suspect water being sucked up into the 3" airpipe that runs off the back of the alternator and into the inner wing where the outside temp sensor sits - 
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From grahambates at shoal.net.au  Mon Oct  6 22:59:01 2003
From: grahambates at shoal.net.au (Graham Bates)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:59:01 +1000
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <MCBBKEGMPCJLLIIHNDBIGENLCDAA.go928@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <013101c38c59$b1286b60$0400a8c0@grahambates>

Graham Bates

'82 928s anniversary model

Diamond Black, originally meteor metallic.

Greenwell Point

Australia.

> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
> 
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> 
> Gareth




From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Mon Oct  6 23:51:57 2003
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:51:57 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <Sea1-F60f50yAlzIXhG0000e87e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c38c5e$7dc9d6a0$5e002850@oemcomputer>

Hi Brendan.

If the GTS that you drove on/off with was midnight blue, then that was
me.

You were bolder going through the M25 gantry cameras than I was, but
once past the M40 turnoff, it was time to check the RMB was still there
:^)

George.
Old Hatfield

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: brendan o'callaghan
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Sent: 06 October 2003 15:33
  Subject: [928uk] 928's


  After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left
the M25
  at Watford it made me think...

  Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I
have. And
  are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be
  interesting to know. And it could help.

  Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.

  _________________________________________________________________
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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Tue Oct  7 00:09:08 2003
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:09:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] clarkson
In-Reply-To: <004c01c38c4b$1035c120$a100a8c0@kenny2>
Message-ID: <20031006230909.0E1874CD46@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Andrew Ferguson wrote:
> 
> 1.  I was watching top gear, where the bloke who designed the Aston db7 and
> the Jag XK8 said he rated the 928 as 'the most beautiful car ever' -
> clarkson disagreed and i was there on the sofa shouting hes right!,

Was that the same fellow (from Ford) who said that he made the
two side windows of the Ford Siera similar in shape to the 928
door window?

Top Gear was doing a whip around the used car lots a couple of
years back and Clarkson said something like "this here V8 Porsha
is pretty keen value".  So I bought one....


--
Phil

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does
not prove anything.
        -- Nietzsche


From titters at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  7 00:40:17 2003
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:40:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <Law10-F125yii3lDraH0000db92@hotmail.com>
	<009101c38c4f$3ed61b70$156b1f51@abit>
Message-ID: <006b01c38c63$32c33250$0100a8c0@Weasel>

Iain Titterington
928 S4 auto
Slate grey
1990
Charlton SE7 London
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Butcher" <ben at butcher114.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "928" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's


> Ben Butcher
> 928 S2
> Grand Prix White
> 1984
> Derby
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dr. nag wagner" <drnagwagner at hotmail.com>
> To: <james at rysuk.com>; <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>;
<928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
>
>
> > Nick Wagner
> > 928 S auto
> > Wine red with dark and light brown leather with berber
> > 1981
> > Moreton-on-Lugg, Herefordshire
> >
> >
> > >From: "James Sweeting" <james at rysuk.com>
> > >To: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>,
> > ><928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > >Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> > >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:01:52 +0100
> > >
> > >James Sweeting
> > >928 S
> > >Rosewood metallic (brown)
> > >1982
> > >Haslemere, Surrey
> > >
> > >Good idea!
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
> > >To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > >Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
> > >
> > >
> > > > OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start
> > >compiling!
> > > >
> > > > owner (first name only if you want)
> > > > model
> > > > colour
> > > > year
> > > > area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> > > >
> > > > Gareth
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > > > > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > > > > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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From 928 at peatfield.com  Tue Oct  7 00:44:47 2003
From: 928 at peatfield.com (Michael Peatfield)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:44:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
	<005e01c38c40$efbde120$33d38351@corinnehome>
Message-ID: <008c01c38c63$d3bb6330$0b01a8c0@MGP>

Here's me:
Michael Peatfield
90 GT
Baltic Blue
Staines, Middx



From nobu.asai at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct  7 02:02:28 2003
From: nobu.asai at ntlworld.com (Nobu Asai)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:02:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Racing 928
Message-ID: <005f01c38c6e$b0ec1920$0300a8c0@VAIOMain>

It was nice meeting everyone at Tilford.
 
Great meet, and sincere appreciation to Stewart and everyone who took their
time to organize.
 
 
As I was going through this weekend's HSCC (Historic Sports Car Club) meet
at Silverstone, I've noticed entry of 928 in 70's Road Sports.  The driver's
name is Andrew Sharp.
 
Could he be from this list?
 
Anyway, I will be very excited to find out as well as meet up.
 
BTW, the practice starts at 9:50 and race at 14:00 on Saturday 11th at
Silverstone for above mentioned class if anyone is interested.
 
 
cheers,
 
Nobu ASAI
`91 S4 Polar Silver
 
PS. 
I will be competing in other class (Historic Road Sports) in a different
format of vehicle (wrong end + air cool) in car number 28!
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From nobu.asai at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct  7 02:08:55 2003
From: nobu.asai at ntlworld.com (Nobu Asai)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:08:55 +0100
Subject: [928uk] owner info
In-Reply-To: <8163072.1065471869482.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c38c6f$976f0600$0300a8c0@VAIOMain>


Nobu ASAI

`91 S4 Auto Polar Silver

Camberley, Surrey




From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Tue Oct  7 02:19:01 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:19:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <MCBBKEGMPCJLLIIHNDBIGENLCDAA.go928@btinternet.com>
	<013101c38c59$b1286b60$0400a8c0@grahambates>
Message-ID: <032601c38c70$fe350820$16414ed5@computername>

Graham,

Is that the Greenwell Point about 85 miles down the coast from Sydney?
Don't want to miss you off the map!

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Bates" <grahambates at shoal.net.au>
To: "Graham Orr (928)" <go928 at btinternet.com>; "Northwood, Gareth"
<Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's


> Graham Bates
>
> '82 928s anniversary model
>
> Diamond Black, originally meteor metallic.
>
> Greenwell Point
>
> Australia.
>
> > OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start
compiling!
> >
> > owner (first name only if you want)
> > model
> > colour
> > year
> > area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
> >
> > Gareth
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
>



From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Tue Oct  7 02:37:53 2003
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:37:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <032601c38c70$fe350820$16414ed5@computername>
Message-ID: <20031007013753.971FD4CD46@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

Paul R Smith wrote:
>
> Graham,
> 
> Is that the Greenwell Point about 85 miles down the coast from Sydney?
> Don't want to miss you off the map!

I didn't think that I'd fit on the map!
But I'm closer to the UK than Graham:

Phil Chadwick
928S (manual, UK LUX)
Grand Prix White
1985
Brisbane, Australia


--
Phil

Copy from one, it's plagiarism; copy from two, it's research.
        -- Wilson Mizner (1876-1933)


From david.cresswell at talk21.com  Tue Oct  7 08:16:21 2003
From: david.cresswell at talk21.com (David Cresswell)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:16:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] (928uk) 928 list
Message-ID: <00a101c38ca2$e9f3de90$a9af0250@rodaodcvur19n1>

Dave Cresswell
928GT - 1990
Grand Prix White
Rochester, Kent
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From grahambates at shoal.net.au  Tue Oct  7 08:41:55 2003
From: grahambates at shoal.net.au (Graham Bates)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:41:55 +1000
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <MCBBKEGMPCJLLIIHNDBIGENLCDAA.go928@btinternet.com><013101c38c59$b1286b60$0400a8c0@grahambates>
	<032601c38c70$fe350820$16414ed5@computername>
Message-ID: <008401c38ca7$e4cbe2a0$38a7cacb@grahambates>

Smiffy,
          That's the one.

Regards,
Graham


> Graham,
> 
> Is that the Greenwell Point about 85 miles down the coast from Sydney?
> Don't want to miss you off the map!
> 
> Smiffy
> 




From trevor.peddle at sothebys.com  Tue Oct  7 09:24:08 2003
From: trevor.peddle at sothebys.com (Peddle, Trevor)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:24:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <52AAF9C8A31279419B83B94170DB153E02985CB8@BONDEX4>

Trevor Peddle
1990 S4 Dark Blue
Streatham, South London

-----Original Message-----
From: Northwood, Gareth [mailto:Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:15 PM
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth

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> 
> John
> 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From marc at 3dfxdesign.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 09:27:47 2003
From: marc at 3dfxdesign.co.uk (Marc@3dfx)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:27:47 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <00a901c38cac$e515caa0$310ca8c0@3DFX1>

Marc Brumpton.
S4 Manual.
Grand Prix White.
1988.
Leamington Spa, Warwickshire.
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Tue Oct  7 09:57:37 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:57:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <015101c38c50$b943b380$1b232152@shithot>
References: <015101c38c50$b943b380$1b232152@shithot>
Message-ID: <G05tBhKBAog$EwGk@ritech-systems.com>


Blimey Paul
Most of us make do with 1 car.
3 is a tad greedy!!

Richard




In message <015101c38c50$b943b380$1b232152 at shithot>, Paul Anderson 
<porsche928s at btopenworld.com> writes
>Paul Anderson,
>1981 S
>Cherry red mettalic
>Manual
>
>
>1986 S2 Auto
>Prussian Blue mettalic
>
>1993 GTS Manual
>Black,
>
>Stroud,Gloucestershire
>_______________________________________________



From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Tue Oct  7 09:43:12 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:43:12 +0100
Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F701895858@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

thanks Marton, I don't think I would have done it, without the help and
advice from you guys on this and the other list.  There were many times,
when I was sitting on a milk crate, in front of the engine, at 11 o'clock at
night, questioning my sanity...  but it all worked out in the end...
 
thanks a mill for answering all my questions, and for pushing me on the
whole time...
 
regards.,
 
Gareth
 

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From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] 
Sent: 06 October 2003 21:33
To: Croeser, Gareth; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] She's back and beautiful


Well done Gareth, very happy to hear it is back now.  Thought you said it
was a write off......
 
Marton

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To: 928uk at 928.org.uk <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:02 PM
Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful

well, after nearly a year of having a pushed-in rear (thanks mr bulgarian
truck driver) and spending 6 months getting rather intimate with the engine,
she's back from the panel beaters...
 
god, she looks great.  the guy matched the colour perfectly and she looks
like new again.
 
so, happy days, i drive a Porsche again.. and not a banger...
 
before and after pix to follow...
 
g
extremely happy... :o)

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From ronsmithaldridge at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  7 10:19:05 2003
From: ronsmithaldridge at hotmail.com (ron smith)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Me and my 928 details for list
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From colin.strachan at westonenergy.com  Tue Oct  7 10:22:09 2003
From: colin.strachan at westonenergy.com (Colin Strachan)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:22:09 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
Message-ID: <006001c38cb4$7bf71c60$54e8a4c2@bxvb20j>

Colin Strachan
S4 Auto
1988
Some kind of red - never seen another like it ("Crushed raspberry" according to my co-investor)
Ealing
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From Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk  Tue Oct  7 10:25:15 2003
From: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk (Northwood, Gareth)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:25:15 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928
Message-ID: <200310070830.h978UNi22607@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Colin, 

Would that be co-investor better half with intuitive female colour sense by
any chance?? 'Crushed raspberry' sounds like it's right next to 'strawberry
fool' on the Dulux chart!

To all on the list, owner detail postings going well, around 120 so far,
keep them coming!!

Gareth (black 90 GT)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Colin Strachan [SMTP:colin.strachan at westonenergy.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:22 AM
> To:	928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject:	[928uk] 928
> 
> Colin Strachan
> S4 Auto
> 1988
> Some kind of red - never seen another like it ("Crushed raspberry"
> according to my co-investor)
> Ealing
> 
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From jj at folly.screaming.net  Tue Oct  7 10:35:35 2003
From: jj at folly.screaming.net (John Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:35:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] owner info
References: <8163072.1065471869482.JavaMail.angusf@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c38cb6$5c54be60$f9ac2e50@oemcomputer>

Subject: [928uk] owner info


John Jarvis
'88 S4 Satin metalic black 
St Albans, Herts



From colin.strachan at westonenergy.com  Tue Oct  7 10:31:13 2003
From: colin.strachan at westonenergy.com (Colin Strachan)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:31:13 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Listings
Message-ID: <011001c38cb5$c0124d60$54e8a4c2@bxvb20j>

The listing appears to have become a victim of its own success.  Time to split out the "chat" from the "technical"?

Colin Strachan
S4Auto
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From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net  Tue Oct  7 10:53:29 2003
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:53:29 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928/ 996
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F82vZVP09mZJHx0000fa5d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOELGELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>

Ron

"Enjoy your 928's; they are the best Porsche and should have replaced the
911. (996 is almost a 928)"

I'd be genuinely interested in what you specifically mean by the 996/928
comparison.  I did some circuit laps in a 996C2 recently and felt there was
no comparison with my 928, the 944 I had previously, or the Boxster I got to
try on the same day.  The 996 felt skittish, over-light in the controls,
difficult to predict and far from confidence inspiring. I imagine one gets
used to a car's feel fairly quickly, but I didn't feel reassured at all.
Any adjustment to steering or throttle whilst not in a straight line seemed
to unsettle the whole car (that's a way of saying my driving's not much
good, I suspect, but it still didn't make me want one at all).

In comparison, the Boxster felt fabulous, and the whole compromise of
removing a car's roof means I'm really not keen on convertibles.

Kingsley
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of ron smith
  Sent: 07 October 2003 10:19
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] Me and my 928 details for list


  Hi all 928uk Members

  I am Ron Smith; Founder and Honorary Member of PCGB, No. 8, was 5.
  At Aldridge, Walsall, West Midlands, uk.
  928S2 1985 Black with full black leather, including dash and ceiling.
  Bought 10.12.92 (never kept a car for so long before)
  Cover only about 1,000 miler each year.
  Seventh Porsche, four 356's 1A, 2B's and a C, two 911, a 2.4S '72 & 2.7Lux
'77 & now the best, my 928.
  So reliable, save and predicatable. Feels a small car compared with my
420SEC Mercedes.
  I also have a 550 Spyder M&W Replica; A lot of fun. Alfa Sud Sprint
engine, tubular ladder chassis.

  Enjoy your 928's; they are the best Porsche and should have replaced the
911. (996 is almost a 928)

  Ron Smith



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From TomVelk at aol.com  Tue Oct  7 11:16:54 2003
From: TomVelk at aol.com (TomVelk at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 06:16:54 -0400
Subject: [928uk] Exhaust Gaskets - Part 3 - The End
Message-ID: <5E27485D.2B40C783.001A926E@aol.com>

Dear 928ers:  Does it make technical and economic sense to replace intact but original bolts -- thinking that after twenty years or so, this fatigue process may to too far along to risk leaving them in?  Or would the very act of replacement break them off?  If removal was attempted, what process should be followed first to avoid such breakage? Has anyone tried early removal?  Any estimate of hours time required (assuming removal goes forward without breakage?)  Tom wi/83 euro S.


From dgraham at datasoftmedical.com  Mon Oct  6 23:24:36 2003
From: dgraham at datasoftmedical.com (Doug Graham)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:24:36 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <008c01c38c4e$845a1620$5f00a8c0@MNCCENTRAL>
Message-ID: <007501c38c58$a35b0d90$03fea8c0@Zulubase>

Good thinking. Someone going to publish the list?

Doug Graham
'88 S4Auto Blue(?)
Spencers Wood, Reading, Berks




From david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk  Tue Oct  7 11:54:46 2003
From: david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk (david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:54:46 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
Message-ID: <OFD1401C4A.D6C1819D-ON80256DB8.003B5580@leeds.gov.uk>

I have just relieved the pressure on my flex plate this weekend. It moved
back 4mm. I have read on the various sites about what causes this. But
nobody has come up with a method to stop the ratcheting it appears only to
happen on 4 speed autos. Some one mention a circlip on the shaft of 3 speed
autos which stops the movement can this be fitted to 4 speed autos. I have
checked my end float and this is within  the specified tolerance, so
hopefully my car is ok.

David



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From angusf at mac.com  Tue Oct  7 12:01:38 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:01:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928/ 996
In-Reply-To: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOELGELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>
Message-ID: <9FDA5E62-F8B5-11D7-9098-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

Exactly my opinion.. See my review of the 996 turbo on the site..

www.928.org.uk/reviews

Angus
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On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 10:53 AM, Kingsley Sawyers wrote:

> Ron
> ?
> "Enjoy your 928's; they are the best Porsche and should have replaced 
> the 911. (996 is almost a 928)"
> ?
> I'd be genuinely interested in what you specifically mean by the 
> 996/928 comparison.? I did some circuit laps in a 996C2 recently and 
> felt there was no comparison with?my 928, the 944 I had previously, or 
> the Boxster I got to try on the same day.? The 996 felt skittish, 
> over-light in the controls, difficult to predict and far from 
> confidence inspiring.?I imagine one gets used to a car's feel fairly 
> quickly, but I didn't feel reassured at all.? Any adjustment to 
> steering or throttle whilst not in a straight line seemed to unsettle 
> the whole car (that's a way of saying my driving's not much good, I 
> suspect, but it still didn't make me want one at all).
> ?
> In comparison, the Boxster felt fabulous, and the whole compromise of 
> removing a car's roof means I'm really not keen on convertibles.
> ?
> Kingsley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On 
> Behalf Of ron smith
> Sent: 07 October 2003 10:19
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Me and my 928 details for list
>
> Hi all 928uk Members
> ?
> I am Ron Smith; Founder and Honorary Member of PCGB, No. 8, was 5.
> At Aldridge, Walsall, West Midlands, uk.
> 928S2 1985 Black with full black leather, including dash and ceiling.
> Bought 10.12.92 (never kept a car for so long before)
> Cover only about 1,000 miler each year.
> Seventh Porsche, four 356's 1A, 2B's and a C, two 911, a 2.4S '72 & 
> 2.7Lux '77 & now the best, my 928.
> So reliable, save and predicatable. Feels a small car compared with my 
> 420SEC Mercedes.
> I also have a 550 Spyder M&W?Replica; A lot of fun. Alfa Sud Sprint 
> engine,?tubular ladder chassis.
> ?
> Enjoy your 928's; they are the best Porsche and should have replaced 
> the 911. (996 is almost a 928)
> ?
> Ron Smith
> ?

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From richard at frontline-display.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 12:47:39 2003
From: richard at frontline-display.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:47:39 +0100
Subject: [928uk] panoramic pic of Tilford 2003
Message-ID: <018701c38cc8$cfd70930$1d00000a@Richard>


i have put together a panoramic picture of the full line up in one pic
if anyone would like a copy ?...

mail me offline. (1.4m)6000+ x 1000+ pixels

Cheers,
Richard
'88 Strosek

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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Tue Oct  7 13:03:56 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:03:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Exhaust Gaskets - Part 3 - The End
References: <5E27485D.2B40C783.001A926E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c38ccb$167cc030$f84e4ed5@computername>

It certainly doesn't make sense to take anything apart to replace bolts, but
when things are apart, there are certain bolts that should never be re-used.
These are those subject to cyclic loads like big-end bolts, some types of
main bearing bolts, and certain head bolts. The Workshop Manual will always
tell you if you need to replace them. Other bolts or studs that should be
replaced are those that are corroded.
Things like water pump bolts can be given additional protection from
corrosion by using a thread locking compound, as this prevents the fluid
getting into the threads.

To remove semi-seized threads, use heat (be careful), releasing
fluids/water, and try moving both ways.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TomVelk at aol.com>
To: <andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Exhaust Gaskets - Part 3 - The End


> Dear 928ers:  Does it make technical and economic sense to replace intact
but original bolts -- thinking that after twenty years or so, this fatigue
process may to too far along to risk leaving them in?  Or would the very act
of replacement break them off?  If removal was attempted, what process
should be followed first to avoid such breakage? Has anyone tried early
removal?  Any estimate of hours time required (assuming removal goes forward
without breakage?)  Tom wi/83 euro S.



From kdriver at telesoft-technologies.com  Tue Oct  7 13:05:01 2003
From: kdriver at telesoft-technologies.com (Keith Driver)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:05:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
In-Reply-To: <200310070830.h978UNi22607@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBA86A7D.8F7D%kdriver@telesoft-technologies.com>

Gareth

    Keith Driver
    S4 Auto,    1991 ,    Midnight Blue

    Holt, 
    Wimborne
    Dorset

    Keith    


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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Tue Oct  7 13:07:00 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:07:00 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
References: <OFD1401C4A.D6C1819D-ON80256DB8.003B5580@leeds.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <00db01c38ccb$83d59c10$f84e4ed5@computername>

You could only fit the circlip if your drive shaft has a groove, and I
wouldn't think it would have.

Most sensible suggestion that I have seen is to loctite the sleeve to the
shaft, and to do up a new bolt, a bit tighter than the specified torque.

Actually the best suggestion is to buy a manual!

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate


> I have just relieved the pressure on my flex plate this weekend. It moved
> back 4mm. I have read on the various sites about what causes this. But
> nobody has come up with a method to stop the ratcheting it appears only to
> happen on 4 speed autos. Some one mention a circlip on the shaft of 3
speed
> autos which stops the movement can this be fitted to 4 speed autos. I have
> checked my end float and this is within  the specified tolerance, so
> hopefully my car is ok.
>
> David
>
>
>
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From Andrew.Priest at masons.com  Tue Oct  7 13:51:17 2003
From: Andrew.Priest at masons.com (Priest Andrew)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:51:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <03Oct7.135216bst.119046@gateway.masons.com>

Andrew Priest
GTS Manual
Midnight Blue Metallic
1995
Edinburgh

-----Original Message-----
From: Northwood, Gareth [mailto:Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk] 
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start
compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> To:	Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> Subject:	Re: [928uk] 928's
> 
> John
> 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
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From angusf at mac.com  Tue Oct  7 15:32:22 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:32:22 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Listings
In-Reply-To: <011001c38cb5$c0124d60$54e8a4c2@bxvb20j>
Message-ID: <100C6601-F8D3-11D7-9098-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

Im always reluctant to split the list. There is another more  chat 
oriented list out there. If I set up more lists we will mostly end up 
checking them all and double posting - which is a worse problem in my 
opinion.

Im as guilty as everyone else of replying all to the where do you live 
mail. We should have had those go directly to the originater to 
summarise.....

http://www.928.org.uk/list.html has some simple guidelines which we 
should all try to follow....

We ask subscribers as a courtesy to other list members:
Please keep to the topic of the 928 and its immediate area of interest.
Please dont send messages with big attachments.
Please be sparing when quoting from a previous message. Subscribers do 
not want to see messages again and again.
Please do not send message in upper case (or"Caps") - they are hard to 
read and it seems like you are shouting.
On big topics please feel free not to 'reply-all' but just to reply 
directly to the person.
Original person please summarize replies to the list on big topics.


Angus


On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Colin Strachan wrote:

> The listing appears to have become a victim of its own success.? Time 
> to split out the "chat" from the "technical"?
> ?
> Colin Strachan
> S4Auto
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From angusf at 928.org.uk  Tue Oct  7 15:57:43 2003
From: angusf at 928.org.uk (Angus Fox)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:57:43 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: Assistance request
Message-ID: <9B0A5A84-F8D6-11D7-9098-0050E4C05D73@928.org.uk>

Can anyone help Dave pick up some US Bargains  ....

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "David Hamilton" <caledoniax at clara.co.uk>
> Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003  3:47:39 PM Europe/London
> To: angusf at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Assistance request
>
> Angus,
> Sorry to email direct but i'm not sure if I can post to the list from 
> here (I'm on holiday in USA) and there is no time to experimant. I 
> thought while I was here I might pick up some of the ford pick up 
> truck engine mounts but I failed to take the part number with me, 
> clever eh!. Could you, or any one else help with this? I can check my 
> mail so if it could be sent to dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk I'd be very 
> grateful. Any suggestions for other things I can easliy get here but 
> not in UK also welcome.
> Cheers
> Dave



From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Tue Oct  7 16:00:02 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:00:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: Assistance request
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F7018958B2@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

 
"These mounts are used in several Ford trucks - mostly 4-cylinder Rangers
but also in the 6-cylinder 4.9L F-350. Commonly found at most parts stores,
this hydraulic mount is made by Anchor Industries, carries part number 2698,
and costs approximately $50/each." 




-----Original Message-----
From: Angus Fox [mailto:angusf at 928.org.uk] 
Sent: 07 October 2003 15:58
To: 928uk
Cc: dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: Assistance request

Can anyone help Dave pick up some US Bargains  ....

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "David Hamilton" <caledoniax at clara.co.uk>
> Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003  3:47:39 PM Europe/London
> To: angusf at 928.org.uk
> Subject: Assistance request
>
> Angus,
> Sorry to email direct but i'm not sure if I can post to the list from 
> here (I'm on holiday in USA) and there is no time to experimant. I 
> thought while I was here I might pick up some of the ford pick up 
> truck engine mounts but I failed to take the part number with me, 
> clever eh!. Could you, or any one else help with this? I can check my 
> mail so if it could be sent to dave at caledoniax.clara.co.uk I'd be very 
> grateful. Any suggestions for other things I can easliy get here but 
> not in UK also welcome.
> Cheers
> Dave

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From mike at dawe.com  Tue Oct  7 16:13:33 2003
From: mike at dawe.com (Mike Dawe)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:13:33 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
In-Reply-To: <200310070830.h978UNi22607@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <PGEGIGNOINANEAILDJJMIEKECCAA.mike@dawe.com>

You are lucky,my other half reckons that my unique metallic chocolate brown
928 looks like a pile of dog poo!Mike(T reg)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Northwood, Gareth
Sent: 07 October 2003 10:25
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928


Colin,

Would that be co-investor better half with intuitive female colour sense by
any chance?? 'Crushed raspberry' sounds like it's right next to 'strawberry
fool' on the Dulux chart!

To all on the list, owner detail postings going well, around 120 so far,
keep them coming!!

Gareth (black 90 GT)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Colin Strachan [SMTP:colin.strachan at westonenergy.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:22 AM
> To:	928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject:	[928uk] 928
>
> Colin Strachan
> S4 Auto
> 1988
> Some kind of red - never seen another like it ("Crushed raspberry"
> according to my co-investor)
> Ealing
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From ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  7 17:24:29 2003
From: ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com (brendan o'callaghan)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:24:29 +0000
Subject: [928uk] S4 spark plugs
Message-ID: <Sea1-F54DqaJY4kJSFs00012298@hotmail.com>

Does anyone know the Bosch recommened plugs. Last year I was using WR7DC yet 
this year I was given WR7DCX. Both look identical.

Does it matter?

Brendan

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From carl at hender.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 18:02:50 2003
From: carl at hender.co.uk (Carl Hender)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:02:50 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 spark plugs
References: <Sea1-F54DqaJY4kJSFs00012298@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c38cf4$d9f31040$18fd6251@PC1>

Are they the platinum ones?

brendan o'callaghan wrote:
> Does anyone know the Bosch recommened plugs. Last year I was using
> WR7DC yet this year I was given WR7DCX. Both look identical.
> 
> Does it matter?
> 
> Brendan
> 
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From leesugden at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct  7 18:26:07 2003
From: leesugden at btopenworld.com (Lee Sugden)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:26:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems
Message-ID: <01b801c38cf8$1bf401e0$f3db8051@LJS>

No not my mum making me stay in, but as my confidence in my car grows, and I push it more and more on winding country lanes, I seem to grind the front lip spoiler and other bits of the undercarraige more regularly. I also seem to grind the bottom when cornering sometimes. Now I have to say that I may be hitting reasonable speeds at times (desperastly trying not to incrimate himself) but I was wondering if other owners have the same issues.

I know Chris at LoeBank has firmed up his suspension considerably, but I do 100 miles a day so I do not want to make the journey too firm. Is there a balance to be drawn over comfort and ride ? Any ideas ?

Cheers
Lee
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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Tue Oct  7 18:27:01 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:27:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] S4 spark plugs
References: <Sea1-F54DqaJY4kJSFs00012298@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <018801c38cf8$38ed9c20$f84e4ed5@computername>

The WM says WR7DC for S4, WR7DTC (three ground electrodes) for GTS.
The X will be another option for the same fitment. You would need to look in
a bosch spark plug catalogue to find out what the X is for.

Typically each letter means something, e.g. R = resistor (for radio
suppression) built in, One of the letters will be the length (of the
thread), one will be the length of the nose, and the number will be the heat
range.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brendan o'callaghan" <ocallaghan74 at hotmail.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: [928uk] S4 spark plugs


> Does anyone know the Bosch recommened plugs. Last year I was using WR7DC
yet
> this year I was given WR7DCX. Both look identical.
>
> Does it matter?
>
> Brendan
>
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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Tue Oct  7 19:21:28 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:21:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems
References: <01b801c38cf8$1bf401e0$f3db8051@LJS>
Message-ID: <01ab01c38cff$d40fa4d0$f84e4ed5@computername>

Just get the height set correctly, and you should never hit the ground. The
springs sag over the years, so need adjusting from time to time.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Sugden" <leesugden at btopenworld.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems


No not my mum making me stay in, but as my confidence in my car grows, and I
push it more and more on winding country lanes, I seem to grind the front
lip spoiler and other bits of the undercarraige more regularly. I also seem
to grind the bottom when cornering sometimes. Now I have to say that I may
be hitting reasonable speeds at times (desperastly trying not to incrimate
himself) but I was wondering if other owners have the same issues.

I know Chris at LoeBank has firmed up his suspension considerably, but I do
100 miles a day so I do not want to make the journey too firm. Is there a
balance to be drawn over comfort and ride ? Any ideas ?

Cheers
Lee



From porsche928s at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct  7 19:42:50 2003
From: porsche928s at btopenworld.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:42:50 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
References: <OFD1401C4A.D6C1819D-ON80256DB8.003B5580@leeds.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <012c01c38d02$cf4bacc0$1b232152@shithot>

Yes the circlip retaining washer and the packing washers can be retrofitted
to the 4 speed auto cars, i have been toying with the idea of getting the
neccessary parts machined to offer the parts as kits, how many of you 4
speed auto owners would be interested?


Regards,
Paul Anderson,

www.928spares.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: <david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate


> I have just relieved the pressure on my flex plate this weekend. It moved
> back 4mm. I have read on the various sites about what causes this. But
> nobody has come up with a method to stop the ratcheting it appears only to
> happen on 4 speed autos. Some one mention a circlip on the shaft of 3
speed
> autos which stops the movement can this be fitted to 4 speed autos. I have
> checked my end float and this is within  the specified tolerance, so
> hopefully my car is ok.
>
> David
>
>
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From cr.walker at lineone.net  Tue Oct  7 20:13:02 2003
From: cr.walker at lineone.net (Clive Walker)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:13:02 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <4589E23C-F8FA-11D7-A1A1-0003936D2B54@lineone.net>

Clive
GTS Manual
Oak Green Metallic
1992
North Herefordshire



From Pw928gts at aol.com  Tue Oct  7 20:43:48 2003
From: Pw928gts at aol.com (Pw928gts at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:43:48 EDT
Subject: [928uk] List
Message-ID: <159.25bcb7aa.2cb47174@aol.com>


 Peter Wright
 GTS
 Turquoise ?
 1993
 Bury St. Edmunds , Suffolk
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From kal at monkeysgonebad.com  Tue Oct  7 21:01:35 2003
From: kal at monkeysgonebad.com (Kal)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:01:35 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re:(928uk) 928's
In-Reply-To: <B65870CCD829AD4B9C4A34293804E889101C63@excalit03.excal.excalsolutions.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CEEEKHLHEAOBHHABKBNDGENJCBAA.kal@monkeysgonebad.com>

you or the car?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of Chris at excalsolutions.co.uk
  Sent: 06 October 2003 19:46
  To: sinclairpete at lineone.net; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: RE: [928uk] Re:(928uk) 928's


  Chris Weatherill
  1980 S Black, Car is in Bedfordshire, but I live in Milton Keynes!
  (Been Laid up for 8 years!!)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Peter Sinclair [mailto:sinclairpete at lineone.net]
  Sent: 06 October 2003 19:37
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: [928uk] Re:(928uk) 928's


    Am I on my own in Bedfordshire?

    Pete Sinclair,

    1983 S2 Gold  Stotfold, Bedfordshire

    It would be great to see all owners on a map !
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From kal at monkeysgonebad.com  Tue Oct  7 21:06:42 2003
From: kal at monkeysgonebad.com (Kal)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:06:42 +0100
Subject: SPAM-MID [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <015101c38c50$b943b380$1b232152@shithot>
Message-ID: <CEEEKHLHEAOBHHABKBNDKENJCBAA.kal@monkeysgonebad.com>

bloody show off!

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul Anderson
Sent: 06 October 2003 22:28
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: SPAM-MID [928uk] 928's


Paul Anderson,
1981 S
Cherry red mettalic
Manual


1986 S2 Auto
Prussian Blue mettalic

1993 GTS Manual
Black,

Stroud,Gloucestershire
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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Tue Oct  7 21:10:24 2003
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:10:24 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Racing 928
Message-ID: <20031007201024.CZLB28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]>

I think this is the guy with an early 928  - can't make it myself, but if someone can attend & take some digi pics that would be great.

Adrian> 
> From: "Nobu Asai" <nobu.asai at ntlworld.com>
> Date: 2003/10/07 Tue AM 01:02:28 GMT+00:00
> To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] Racing 928
> 
> It was nice meeting everyone at Tilford.
>  
> Great meet, and sincere appreciation to Stewart and everyone who took their
> time to organize.
>  
>  
> As I was going through this weekend's HSCC (Historic Sports Car Club) meet
> at Silverstone, I've noticed entry of 928 in 70's Road Sports.  The driver's
> name is Andrew Sharp.
>  
> Could he be from this list?
>  
> Anyway, I will be very excited to find out as well as meet up.
>  
> BTW, the practice starts at 9:50 and race at 14:00 on Saturday 11th at
> Silverstone for above mentioned class if anyone is interested.
>  
>  
> cheers,
>  
> Nobu ASAI
> `91 S4 Polar Silver
>  
> PS. 
> I will be competing in other class (Historic Road Sports) in a different
> format of vehicle (wrong end + air cool) in car number 28!
> 
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From mail.928uk at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct  7 21:14:10 2003
From: mail.928uk at btopenworld.com (David Porter)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:14:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems
References: <01b801c38cf8$1bf401e0$f3db8051@LJS>
Message-ID: <000801c38d10$936d1aa0$a9ca7ad5@hppav>

Hi Lee

It's almost certain your car has settled - most 928s do with age. 

Quick check on level ground: 
Front: You should be able to get 3 - 4 fingers between the top of the tyre and the wheel arch.

Rear: The tyre tread should just be visible at the top, i.e. level with the arch, not disappearing within.

For the definitive check you'll need to crawl on the floor with a tape measure.

Opinions differ but (in my experience), the closer you get to the original spec, the better the car feels on 'real world' roads. Obviously, stay low if you want a track car or if you only drive on smooth roads. My car was very low (30 - 35mm down) before adjustment. The biggest differences were an improved ride quality (much smoother), far less tramlining and no grounding. My car felt best towards the top of the tolerance range, i.e. new spec. I replaced the Boge dampers and retained the original springs.

Assuming you have ride height adjusters (S2s onwards?), 928s are relatively easy to raise - you'll need a large 'C' spanner. Lube the adjusters (rear esp) with Plusgas a few days before starting adjustments. Try not to allow the oil to go between the sleeve and the damper otherwise you risk the entire assembly turning rather than the adjuster nut. See the 928uk website guide for the procedure.

Warning: The top front tolerance of 190mm appears almost 4x4 spec!

Good luck,

David '90 S4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lee Sugden 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:26 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems


  No not my mum making me stay in, but as my confidence in my car grows, and I push it more and more on winding country lanes, I seem to grind the front lip spoiler and other bits of the undercarraige more regularly. I also seem to grind the bottom when cornering sometimes. Now I have to say that I may be hitting reasonable speeds at times (desperastly trying not to incrimate himself) but I was wondering if other owners have the same issues.

  I know Chris at LoeBank has firmed up his suspension considerably, but I do 100 miles a day so I do not want to make the journey too firm. Is there a balance to be drawn over comfort and ride ? Any ideas ?

  Cheers
  Lee


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From porsche928s at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct  7 21:30:48 2003
From: porsche928s at btopenworld.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:30:48 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
References: <OFD1401C4A.D6C1819D-ON80256DB8.003B5580@leeds.gov.uk>
	<012c01c38d02$cf4bacc0$1b232152@shithot>
	<9o26ovgu17r4sm8m0e50q6dibfl6n6lm88@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <016101c38d11$e48fdde0$1b232152@shithot>

John,

I will create a file showing your interest, when i have 10-15 others wanting
the kit i will put it into production.

Atb,

Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hambilton" <john.hambilton at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Paul Anderson" <porsche928s at btopenworld.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Flexi-plate


On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:42:50 +0100, you wrote:

>Yes the circlip retaining washer and the packing washers can be retrofitted
>to the 4 speed auto cars, i have been toying with the idea of getting the
>neccessary parts machined to offer the parts as kits, how many of you 4
>speed auto owners would be interested?
>
>
>Regards,
>Paul Anderson,
>

I would be Paul - cheers,

John



From simon.hawkins at glevumconsulting.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 21:37:16 2003
From: simon.hawkins at glevumconsulting.co.uk (Simon Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:37:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <000001c38c32$d75b6390$96aa9851@Valiant2>
Message-ID: <OOEJJFLIPIILKPFKEINOMELKDBAA.simon.hawkins@glevumconsulting.co.uk>

Simon Hawkins
S2 Auto Black, Maidstone, Kent

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Adrian Jones
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 06:54
To: 'brendan o'callaghan'; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


Great idea.

Adrian Jones
928 GT
Guards Red
1991
North Hants/Surrey

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of brendan o'callaghan
Sent: 06 October 2003 15:34
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] 928's

After attending Tilford  and driving on/off with a GTS until I left the
M25 
at Watford it made me think...

Has anyone ever wondered where all the members on the list are? I have.
And 
are there any little 928 hotspots around the country?  It would be 
interesting to know. And it could help.

Brendan. Cherry Red S4, Watford, Herts.

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From terry at adams-little.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 21:30:54 2003
From: terry at adams-little.demon.co.uk (Terry Adams)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:30:54 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <015101c38c50$b943b380$1b232152@shithot>
	<G05tBhKBAog$EwGk@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <00ea01c38d11$e93dae80$aa1aedc1@r8e2c1>

Not to mention the customer cars lined up outside his workshop, just to make
us even more jealous!!

Terry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Armstrong" <richard at ritech-systems.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's


>
> Blimey Paul
> Most of us make do with 1 car.
> 3 is a tad greedy!!
>
> Richard



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From stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk  Tue Oct  7 21:43:59 2003
From: stuart.lawrence at 928.org.uk (Stuart Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:43:59 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <200310061420.h96EK6i30042@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <004201c38d13$d4a53e00$84ac6fd4@oemcomputer>


Stuart Lawrence
S2 Manual
Diamond Swartz (OK black)
1985
Leyland, Lancashire.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Northwood, Gareth" <Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com [SMTP:JDSPorsche928 at aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk
> > Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > John
> > 1986 S2, owned 6 years. Cambridge (ex Shropshire)
>
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From 928cs at noos.fr  Tue Oct  7 21:42:51 2003
From: 928cs at noos.fr (Samuel Fournis)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:42:51 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Le Mans Classic
References: <NEEAKHFECMBDAHPKAGCKCEFKCBAA.charlie.stowe@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <3F83254B.2040806@noos.fr>

I will be there because:
1) I live in Le Mans.
2) The first event was a real success.
3) There wasn't enough 928's last year.

It is now in July not to disturb too much the people who live near the 
track and the stores that are located into it.

Samuel

Charlie Stowe a ?crit:
> I will definitely go.
> 
> Any idea why it has move to July though, I thought September was ideal.
> 
> For those that didn't go to the inaugural event last year you really missed
> out;
> 
> 300 classic racing cars from 1920's bentleys/bugattis to 70's Alfa T33's/917
> etc and everything inbetween.
> 
> A massive Porsche club parking area (400 cars last yr) parked by model as
> well as type.
> 
> All area access (inc grandstands and pits/paddocks)
> 
> etc etc etc
> 
> Believe me it is well worth it
> 
> 
> Charlie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Richard Armstrong
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:10 PM
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Le Mans Classic
> 
> 
> Just a thought
> Anyone fancy doing the Le Mans classic 24hr next year?
> It's a blast and not crowded like the Lemans main race
> PCGB are going to have a big presence, but we could have a 928 gathering
> as well
> Dates   23/24/25 July
> 
> http://www.lemansclassic.com/nouveautes2004/
> 
> Richard A
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 


-- 
928 S4 Club-Sport 1989 Taubenblau
Rejoignez l'Amicale 928!
Site de l'Amicale: http://www.amicale928.org



From charlie.stowe at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Oct  7 22:29:32 2003
From: charlie.stowe at dsl.pipex.com (Charlie Stowe)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:29:32 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Racing 928
In-Reply-To: <20031007201024.CZLB28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]>
Message-ID: <NEEAKHFECMBDAHPKAGCKCEGICBAA.charlie.stowe@dsl.pipex.com>

It may be coincidence but I met a guy on a historic rally (the Classic
Trophy) back in June who was also called Andrew Sharp.

He was competing with a Healey 3000 but was also into circuit racing and was
talking about getting a 928 to use.

If anyone makes contact on Sat and he fits the above please say hello from
me. I was the younger half of the father /son team in a white 1964 911 and
was also the one who took the embarassing pic of him fast asleep in his car
after a heavy night out!!! (email off list for a copy if you are interested)


Regards
Charlie Stowe


-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of adrian928 at tesco.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:10 PM
To: Nobu Asai; '928uk'
Subject: Re: [928uk] Racing 928


I think this is the guy with an early 928  - can't make it myself, but if
someone can attend & take some digi pics that would be great.

Adrian>
> From: "Nobu Asai" <nobu.asai at ntlworld.com>
> Date: 2003/10/07 Tue AM 01:02:28 GMT+00:00
> To: "'928uk'" <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] Racing 928
>
> It was nice meeting everyone at Tilford.
>
> Great meet, and sincere appreciation to Stewart and everyone who took
their
> time to organize.
>
>
> As I was going through this weekend's HSCC (Historic Sports Car Club) meet
> at Silverstone, I've noticed entry of 928 in 70's Road Sports.  The
driver's
> name is Andrew Sharp.
>
> Could he be from this list?
>
> Anyway, I will be very excited to find out as well as meet up.
>
> BTW, the practice starts at 9:50 and race at 14:00 on Saturday 11th at
> Silverstone for above mentioned class if anyone is interested.
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Nobu ASAI
> `91 S4 Polar Silver
>
> PS.
> I will be competing in other class (Historic Road Sports) in a different
> format of vehicle (wrong end + air cool) in car number 28!
>
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>



From angusf at mac.com  Tue Oct  7 22:45:27 2003
From: angusf at mac.com (angusf at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:45:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] For sale
Message-ID: <90967B3F-F90F-11D7-B7A9-0050E4C05D73@mac.com>

There are two lovely cars with the same sport steering wheel for sale 
on the homepage of 928.org.uk.

I have a vested interest in both. One is mine and the other I really 
like the alloy wheels on!

Please have a look. There are also people out there looking... Let me 
know if youre thinking of selling. People email me daily with their 
requirements and althought I cant promise the Andrew same day sale 
experience I do seem to be doing a reasonable job of matchign buyers 
with sellers.

Angus
PS Im only thinking of selling mine because I would like a manual GTS 
Contrary to rumours I may have started I will not be buying a 996



From marton at befree.ch  Tue Oct  7 23:07:07 2003
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:07:07 +0200
Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful
References: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F701895858@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>
Message-ID: <00ce01c38d1f$599efc80$18abfea9@simone>

Well Gareth, it is much easier to encourage somebodyelse to work on their car than to work on my own...

Of course I thought you were sitting on a beer crate, I would never help anybody sitting on a milk crate  :)

Well done mate, I wish you very many happy miles


Marton

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Croeser, Gareth 
  To: marton 
  Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:43 AM
  Subject: RE: [928uk] She's back and beautiful


  thanks Marton, I don't think I would have done it, without the help and advice from you guys on this and the other list.  There were many times, when I was sitting on a milk crate, in front of the engine, at 11 o'clock at night, questioning my sanity...  but it all worked out in the end...

  thanks a mill for answering all my questions, and for pushing me on the whole time...

  regards.,

  Gareth

  ________________________________________________

  Gareth Croeser

  SAP Basis

  ITSIS Ltd

  IT Centre

  Cabinteely Dublin 18

   

  +353 86 807 3538

  +353 1 217 7155

   





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  From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] 
  Sent: 06 October 2003 21:33
  To: Croeser, Gareth; 928uk at 928.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [928uk] She's back and beautiful


  Well done Gareth, very happy to hear it is back now.  Thought you said it was a write off......

  Marton
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Croeser, Gareth 
    To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
    Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:02 PM
    Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful


    well, after nearly a year of having a pushed-in rear (thanks mr bulgarian truck driver) and spending 6 months getting rather intimate with the engine, she's back from the panel beaters...

    god, she looks great.  the guy matched the colour perfectly and she looks like new again.

    so, happy days, i drive a Porsche again.. and not a banger...

    before and after pix to follow...

    g
    extremely happy... :o)
    ________________________________________________

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    SAP Basis

    ITSIS Ltd

    IT Centre

    Cabinteely Dublin 18

     

    +353 86 807 3538

    +353 1 217 7155

     




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From marton at befree.ch  Tue Oct  7 23:10:15 2003
From: marton at befree.ch (marton)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:10:15 +0200
Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems
References: <01b801c38cf8$1bf401e0$f3db8051@LJS>
Message-ID: <011301c38d1f$c9c77320$18abfea9@simone>

try checking the ride height.  I never hit the ground with the front spoiler (even on the Nurburgring...)

I think several of the sites have extensive details how to do this check and it is a common problem (I have heard)

Marton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lee Sugden 
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:26 PM
  Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems


  No not my mum making me stay in, but as my confidence in my car grows, and I push it more and more on winding country lanes, I seem to grind the front lip spoiler and other bits of the undercarraige more regularly. I also seem to grind the bottom when cornering sometimes. Now I have to say that I may be hitting reasonable speeds at times (desperastly trying not to incrimate himself) but I was wondering if other owners have the same issues.

  I know Chris at LoeBank has firmed up his suspension considerably, but I do 100 miles a day so I do not want to make the journey too firm. Is there a balance to be drawn over comfort and ride ? Any ideas ?

  Cheers
  Lee


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From grahambates at shoal.net.au  Tue Oct  7 23:22:02 2003
From: grahambates at shoal.net.au (Graham Bates)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:22:02 +1000
Subject: [928uk] 928
References: <006001c38cb4$7bf71c60$54e8a4c2@bxvb20j>
Message-ID: <013701c38d23$45492860$0400a8c0@grahambates>

Colin,
         Have a look at www.landsharkoz.com in the colours section, should be there.

Regards,
Graham Bates '82 928s
  Some kind of red - never seen another like it ("Crushed raspberry" according to my co-investor)
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From martin.burnley at foxkids.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 08:13:51 2003
From: martin.burnley at foxkids.co.uk (Martin Burnley)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:13:51 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <BAD0311F9B23CA46902E8C6B2391559A3EE99F@EXSRVR1-LDN>

 
Martin Burnley
1986 S2 Auto
Garnet Red
Reigate
Surrey


From nictye at home-studio8.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 08:17:15 2003
From: nictye at home-studio8.freeserve.co.uk (nicolas tye)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:17:15 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <BAD0311F9B23CA46902E8C6B2391559A3EE99F@EXSRVR1-LDN>
Message-ID: <BBA9788B.67A1%nictye@home-studio8.freeserve.co.uk>

Nicolas Tye
1990 - S4 Auto Silver / Red Leather interior
Bedford
Bedfordshire



From a.jenkins at swansea.ac.uk  Wed Oct  8 09:00:28 2003
From: a.jenkins at swansea.ac.uk (Andrew Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:00:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Owner info
Message-ID: <02c301c38d72$3d7aec00$4d042c89@EERIE>

Andrew Jenkins
'91 S4 Auto - Midnight Blue
Langland, Swansea
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From richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct  8 08:59:04 2003
From: richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com (Richard Horsley928)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:59:04 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Poor starting
Message-ID: <000001c38d72$0fa95690$cf00100a@Starbug>

Dear all,

 

There have been two occasions in the last two weeks when the car failed to
start properly... I will explain.. When starting the car from cold, the
engine fires up, but it is immediately obvious that all is not well. It runs
very badly, pressing the throttle revs the engine but it still runs as if
only half the cylinders are firing. If I put the car into Drive, it almost
stalls. Turn the engine off and re-start a couple of times seems to clear
it.

 

This happened again last night. Once it was running properly, the engine
pulled fine all the way through the rev range. This morning it started
without a glitch???!!

 

I would be grateful if someone could recommend things to check. I'm thinking
its probably an electrical fault of some kind. fuel pump, ECU?

 

One thing I have noticed recently is a high pitched electrical whine from
near the fuel tank.. could this be a sign of impending fuel pump failure?

 

As always thanks in advance for your help.

 

Richard.

 

92 GTS Auto

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From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Wed Oct  8 09:23:20 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:23:20 +0100
Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F7018958ED@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

"Of course I thought you were sitting on a beer crate, I would never help
anybody sitting on a milk crate  :)" 
 
hey, i was on a dairy farm, what do you expect?  had i been working in a
brewery, we'd probably still be down there... lol!
 
g
 

 
  _____  

From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] 
Sent: 07 October 2003 23:07
To: Croeser, Gareth
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] She's back and beautiful


Well Gareth, it is much easier to encourage somebodyelse to work on their
car than to work on my own...
 
Of course I thought you were sitting on a beer crate, I would never help
anybody sitting on a milk crate  :)
 
Well done mate, I wish you very many happy miles
 
 
Marton
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Croeser, Gareth <mailto:Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie>  
To: marton <mailto:marton at befree.ch>  
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] She's back and beautiful

thanks Marton, I don't think I would have done it, without the help and
advice from you guys on this and the other list.  There were many times,
when I was sitting on a milk crate, in front of the engine, at 11 o'clock at
night, questioning my sanity...  but it all worked out in the end...
 
thanks a mill for answering all my questions, and for pushing me on the
whole time...
 
regards.,
 
Gareth
 

________________________________________________

Gareth Croeser

SAP Basis

ITSIS Ltd

IT Centre

Cabinteely Dublin 18

 

+353 86 807 3538

+353 1 217 7155

 

 

  _____  

From: marton [mailto:marton at befree.ch] 
Sent: 06 October 2003 21:33
To: Croeser, Gareth; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] She's back and beautiful


Well done Gareth, very happy to hear it is back now.  Thought you said it
was a write off......
 
Marton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Croeser, Gareth <mailto:Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie>  
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:02 PM
Subject: [928uk] She's back and beautiful

well, after nearly a year of having a pushed-in rear (thanks mr bulgarian
truck driver) and spending 6 months getting rather intimate with the engine,
she's back from the panel beaters...
 
god, she looks great.  the guy matched the colour perfectly and she looks
like new again.
 
so, happy days, i drive a Porsche again.. and not a banger...
 
before and after pix to follow...
 
g
extremely happy... :o)

________________________________________________

Gareth Croeser

SAP Basis

ITSIS Ltd

IT Centre

Cabinteely Dublin 18

 

+353 86 807 3538

+353 1 217 7155

 

 



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From ddevilder at datamonitor.com  Wed Oct  8 10:21:34 2003
From: ddevilder at datamonitor.com (Diederik de Vilder)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:21:34 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD2C7070F@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com>

 
Diederik De Vilder
928 S 1982 Mint green / beige interior
Elmstead woods/Chistlehurst - Kent
 
 
 
 
 


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From titters at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 10:37:00 2003
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:37:00 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Poor starting
References: <000001c38d72$0fa95690$cf00100a@Starbug>
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Mine did this a few times - usually if i'd only moved a little way the previous time and/or had started it for a while. It sounded very lumpy and unwell, so I'd turn it off and start again with some more revs and it would clear. My fuel pump packed in a couple of weeks after this. I'm not sure it was a coincidence as the symptoms have not appeared since (touch wood).

Iain 90s4
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Horsley928 
  To: 928uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:59 AM
  Subject: [928uk] Poor starting


  Dear all,



  There have been two occasions in the last two weeks when the car failed to start properly... I will explain.. When starting the car from cold, the engine fires up, but it is immediately obvious that all is not well. It runs very badly, pressing the throttle revs the engine but it still runs as if only half the cylinders are firing. If I put the car into Drive, it almost stalls. Turn the engine off and re-start a couple of times seems to clear it.



  This happened again last night. Once it was running properly, the engine pulled fine all the way through the rev range. This morning it started without a glitch???!!



  I would be grateful if someone could recommend things to check. I'm thinking its probably an electrical fault of some kind. fuel pump, ECU?



  One thing I have noticed recently is a high pitched electrical whine from near the fuel tank.. could this be a sign of impending fuel pump failure?



  As always thanks in advance for your help.



  Richard.



  92 GTS Auto



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From richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct  8 10:49:56 2003
From: richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com (Richard Horsley)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:49:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Poor starting
In-Reply-To: <002b01c38d7f$b98e9c80$0100a8c0@Weasel>
Message-ID: <000401c38d81$8cec7470$e203100a@Starbug>

Thanks Iain,

 

Where did you get your fuel pump from?

 

Richard.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Iain Titterington [mailto:titters at btinternet.com] 
Sent: 08 October 2003 10:37
To: Richard Horsley928; 928uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Poor starting

 

Mine did this a few times - usually if i'd only moved a little way the
previous time and/or had started it for a while. It sounded very lumpy and
unwell, so I'd turn it off and start again with some more revs and it would
clear. My fuel pump packed in a couple of weeks after this. I'm not sure it
was a coincidence as the symptoms have not appeared since (touch wood).

 

Iain 90s4

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Richard Horsley928 <mailto:richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com>  

To: 928uk <mailto:928uk at 928.org.uk>  

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:59 AM

Subject: [928uk] Poor starting

 

Dear all,

 

There have been two occasions in the last two weeks when the car failed to
start properly... I will explain.. When starting the car from cold, the
engine fires up, but it is immediately obvious that all is not well. It runs
very badly, pressing the throttle revs the engine but it still runs as if
only half the cylinders are firing. If I put the car into Drive, it almost
stalls. Turn the engine off and re-start a couple of times seems to clear
it.

 

This happened again last night. Once it was running properly, the engine
pulled fine all the way through the rev range. This morning it started
without a glitch???!!

 

I would be grateful if someone could recommend things to check. I'm thinking
its probably an electrical fault of some kind. fuel pump, ECU?

 

One thing I have noticed recently is a high pitched electrical whine from
near the fuel tank.. could this be a sign of impending fuel pump failure?

 

As always thanks in advance for your help.

 

Richard.

 

92 GTS Auto


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From mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com  Wed Oct  8 10:55:16 2003
From: mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com (mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:55:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <OF8AE5FDF2.5285AB4B-ON80256DB9.00367FC2@bnpparibas.com>



Mel Thomas
91 S4
Colour - not sure - a sort of light gold/silver metallic.  Anyone know what
it is?  I can't find anything in the list that looks right.
Reading, Berks

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of
Northwood, Gareth
Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's

OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!

owner (first name only if you want)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

Gareth





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From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net  Wed Oct  8 10:55:27 2003
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:55:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] clarkson
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Yes, his name is Ian Callum, now head of styling at Jaguar.

Kingsley

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From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Phil Chadwick
Sent: 07 October 2003 00:09
To: Andrew Ferguson
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] clarkson


Andrew Ferguson wrote:
>
> 1.  I was watching top gear, where the bloke who designed the Aston db7
and
> the Jag XK8 said he rated the 928 as 'the most beautiful car ever' -
> clarkson disagreed and i was there on the sofa shouting hes right!,

Was that the same fellow (from Ford) who said that he made the
two side windows of the Ford Siera similar in shape to the 928
door window?

Top Gear was doing a whip around the used car lots a couple of
years back and Clarkson said something like "this here V8 Porsha
is pretty keen value".  So I bought one....


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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Wed Oct  8 09:44:28 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:44:28 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928
In-Reply-To: <013701c38d23$45492860$0400a8c0@grahambates>
References: <006001c38cb4$7bf71c60$54e8a4c2@bxvb20j>
	<013701c38d23$45492860$0400a8c0@grahambates>
Message-ID: <uyyHwnDs58g$EwjS@ritech-systems.com>

Graham
I wish I had known of this site when I was looking a few months ago. The 
colour section is really good
Richard


>Colin,
>???????? Have a look at www.landsharkoz.com in the colours section, should
>be there.
>?
Graham




From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Wed Oct  8 11:11:46 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:11:46 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA53@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Lee - I concur with advice given. Follow David's advice - the website link
is   <http://www.928.org.uk/height.html> http://www.928.org.uk/height.html.
 
I recall someone had exactly the same symptoms as you a while back & was
questioning whether his springs or dampers were faulty.... no, just the old
ride height chestnut.
 
I adjusted mine (raised it by 20mm on both front corners) and found a slight
improvement in ride quality - presumably as the gas part of the shocks are
operating "less compressed" - & reduction in tramlining  (as has been
suggested) and mine is now 170mm all round (i.e. still on the lower end of
the specs).
 
If you do the adjustments I would suggest compressing the springs to put
less load on the adjustment collars while you free them off (they are
notorious for sticking - don't just force them with a 10ft bar or you'll
probably strip the thread as they're only aluminium!). Clean up the threads
on the sleeve & use lots of plusgas! (note David's caution on this though!)
 
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: David Porter [mailto:mail.928uk at btopenworld.com]


Hi Lee
 
It's almost certain your car has settled - most 928s do with age. 
>>>>>
Good luck,
 
David '90 S4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lee Sugden <mailto:leesugden at btopenworld.com>  
 
 >>> I seem to grind the front lip spoiler and other bits of the
undercarraige more regularly. I also seem to grind the bottom when cornering
sometimes. 
 
 >>> I do 100 miles a day so I do not want to make the journey too firm. 
 
Cheers
Lee

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From titters at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 11:13:58 2003
From: titters at btinternet.com (Iain Titterington)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:13:58 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <OF8AE5FDF2.5285AB4B-ON80256DB9.00367FC2@bnpparibas.com>
Message-ID: <006401c38d84$ecc79c50$0100a8c0@Weasel>

Isn't that colour called linen metallic - I've always liked that colour...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


>
>
> Mel Thomas
> 91 S4
> Colour - not sure - a sort of light gold/silver metallic.  Anyone know
what
> it is?  I can't find anything in the list that looks right.
> Reading, Berks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
> Of
> Northwood, Gareth
> Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
> To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
> Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
>
> OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to send, I'll start compiling!
>
> owner (first name only if you want)
> model
> colour
> year
> area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)
>
> Gareth
>
>
>
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From richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct  8 11:29:51 2003
From: richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com (Richard Horsley)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:29:51 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Poor starting
In-Reply-To: <1ca.1210d21a.2cb53446@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c38d87$201c68e0$e203100a@Starbug>

How many miles had your car done when the HT leads started to play up?

 

Current best quote on leads is 195+VAT

 

-----Original Message-----
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com [mailto:TIMCOAGF at aol.com] 
Sent: 08 October 2003 10:35
To: richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: [928uk] Poor starting

 

Hi Richard, i got the full set (Beru as originals) for about 204 from
someone in London (europorker maybe). High price due to long leads as two go
to opposite bank from each distributor. Worth a question to the lists as i'm
sure it's been discussed recently.  Berlyn Services
<http://www.berlyn-services.co.uk/aboutus.htm>   could be a good place to
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From info at jdsporsche.com  Wed Oct  8 11:33:34 2003
From: info at jdsporsche.com (John Speake)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:33:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Poor starting
References: <000001c38d72$0fa95690$cf00100a@Starbug>
Message-ID: <004801c38d87$a0bdcac0$9f3cbaac@default>

There have been two occasions in the last two weeks when the car failed to start properly... I will explain.. When starting the car from cold, the engine fires up, but it is immediately obvious that all is not well. It runs very badly, pressing the throttle revs the engine but it still runs as if only half the cylinders are firing. If I put the car into Drive, it almost stalls. Turn the engine off and re-start a couple of times seems to clear it.


  This happened again last night. Once it was running properly, the engine pulled fine all the way through the rev range. This morning it started without a glitch???!!



  I would be grateful if someone could recommend things to check. I'm thinking its probably an electrical fault of some kind. fuel pump, ECU?



  One thing I have noticed recently is a high pitched electrical whine from near the fuel tank.. could this be a sign of impending fuel pump failure?

  >>>>>>>>>>>>

  Hi Richard,

  It may be the fuel pump, but it might be worth swapping the fuel pump relay for one with the same number on top from another less vital location on the fuse/relay board.



  When my car's fuel pump went I bought one from Bert Gear at Berlyn Services. Genuine Bosch about 100GBP from memory. I had to give him the Bosch part number.



  Good luck !



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From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:26:47 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Fwd: HT leads
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From kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 13:02:46 2003
From: kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com (Kenrick Ramlochan)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:02:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [928uk] Poor starting
In-Reply-To: <004801c38d87$a0bdcac0$9f3cbaac@default>
Message-ID: <20031008120246.76919.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com>

For what it's worth: I had a similar problem without
the full stall. Turned out to be the battery.
Kenrick
Is your batthery i
--- John Speake <info at jdsporsche.com> wrote:
> There have been two occasions in the last two weeks
> when the car failed to start properly... I will
> explain.. When starting the car from cold, the
> engine fires up, but it is immediately obvious that
> all is not well. It runs very badly, pressing the
> throttle revs the engine but it still runs as if
> only half the cylinders are firing. If I put the car
> into Drive, it almost stalls. Turn the engine off
> and re-start a couple of times seems to clear it.
> 
> 
>   This happened again last night. Once it was
> running properly, the engine pulled fine all the way
> through the rev range. This morning it started
> without a glitch???!!
> 
> 
> 
>   I would be grateful if someone could recommend
> things to check. I'm thinking its probably an
> electrical fault of some kind. fuel pump, ECU?
> 
> 
> 
>   One thing I have noticed recently is a high
> pitched electrical whine from near the fuel tank..
> could this be a sign of impending fuel pump failure?
> 
>   >>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>   Hi Richard,
> 
>   It may be the fuel pump, but it might be worth
> swapping the fuel pump relay for one with the same
> number on top from another less vital location on
> the fuse/relay board.
> 
> 
> 
>   When my car's fuel pump went I bought one from
> Bert Gear at Berlyn Services. Genuine Bosch about
> 100GBP from memory. I had to give him the Bosch part
> number.
> 
> 
> 
>   Good luck !
> 
> 
> 
>   John
> > _______________________________________________
> 928uk mailing list
> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 13:04:40 2003
From: kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com (Kenrick Ramlochan)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:04:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <006401c38d84$ecc79c50$0100a8c0@Weasel>
Message-ID: <20031008120440.69570.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com>

May be linen silver (I've got one). Check on the
passenger side bar code if it's still there.
Kenrick
--- Iain Titterington <titters at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Isn't that colour called linen metallic - I've
> always liked that colour...
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Mel Thomas
> > 91 S4
> > Colour - not sure - a sort of light gold/silver
> metallic.  Anyone know
> what
> > it is?  I can't find anything in the list that
> looks right.
> > Reading, Berks
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk
> [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
> > Of
> > Northwood, Gareth
> > Sent: 06 October 2003 16:15
> > To: '928uk at 928.org.uk'
> > Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's
> >
> > OK, if anyone else is interested and wants to
> send, I'll start compiling!
> >
> > owner (first name only if you want)
> > model
> > colour
> > year
> > area (borough, county or county/town/city
> whatever)
> >
> > Gareth
> >
> >
> >
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From kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 13:07:14 2003
From: kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com (Kenrick Ramlochan)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 05:07:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <770F1C263E9F724CAB09EC3862689FD2C7070F@hudson.ln.datamonitor.com>
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Kenrick Ramlochan
1990 S4
Linen Silver
Wadhurst, East Sussex


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From TomVelk at aol.com  Wed Oct  8 13:16:47 2003
From: TomVelk at aol.com (TomVelk at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:16:47 -0400
Subject: [928uk] winter storage and cold running
Message-ID: <5E36D86F.095FBE64.001A926E@aol.com>

I live in one of the coldest spots in the USA, literally on the Canadian border.  Could use advice on winter storage (I won't drive it in the snow and salt at all -- thus it will be idle for 4 - 5 months) and cold weather driving (when it started the other day, after a light frost, every light on the dash went on, and so did the big emerg light.  Car warmed up, and I restated it, and all lights ok (except for "bremslicht" was ist das?  All lights seem ok, except for under hood light - when, if ever, does it come on?)  Any recommendations appreciated.  tom


From Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk  Wed Oct  8 13:20:22 2003
From: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk (Northwood, Gareth)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:20:22 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] 928s on the map
Message-ID: <200310081124.h98BOwi05126@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

All,

I've now got 91 sets of owner/car/location details to go on the UK map that
Smiffy is working on.  If you missed the original mail that prompted
yesterdays postings, I'm putting together a list of

owner (first name only if you're famous or wanted by Interpol)
model
colour
year
area (borough, county or county/town/city whatever)

You're welcome to add any other comments about your 928 (interior etc) if
you want.  The map and list should be posted on 928.org.uk soon for all to
see.

It would be great to break the 100 so if you haven't sent already, please
let me have your details at

gareth.northwood at telford.gov.uk  (not to 928uk at 928.org.uk please, to keep
the traffic down)

Cheers,

Gareth.
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From Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk  Wed Oct  8 13:24:09 2003
From: Gareth.Northwood at telford.gov.uk (Northwood, Gareth)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:24:09 +0100 
Subject: FW: [928uk] 928s on the map
Message-ID: <200310081128.h98BSji05288@raq01.multizone.co.uk>

Before anyone asks, forgot to say, that's down on yesterdays number as these
are complete details.  The total for all identified car/owner (but not
complete) is 155

Gareth.
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> Sent:	Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:20 PM
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> All,
> 
> I've now got 91 sets 
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From kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net  Wed Oct  8 13:54:16 2003
From: kingsley.sawyers at e-dba.net (Kingsley Sawyers)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:54:16 +0100
Subject: [928uk] winter storage and cold running
In-Reply-To: <5E36D86F.095FBE64.001A926E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <IJEGJMMDGNACEEDHPLDEOEOBELAA.kingsley.sawyers@e-dba.net>

'Bremslicht' is 'brake light'

Kingsley

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of TomVelk at aol.com
Sent: 08 October 2003 13:17
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: [928uk] winter storage and cold running

... and all lights ok (except for "bremslicht" was ist das?...
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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Wed Oct  8 14:03:38 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:03:38 +0100
Subject: [928uk] winter storage and cold running
References: <5E36D86F.095FBE64.001A926E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c38d9c$98549340$f4a84ed5@computername>

Tom,

Change the oil (to get rid of all the acids etc that build up).
Last time you drive it, make sure it gets good and hot, i.e. a twenty minute
drive, not just idling in the garage. This will get all the moisture out of
the engine and exhaust system.
A full fuel tank gives less room for condensation to form.
Tyres should either be inflated to the max rated pressure, or off the
ground.
Air inlets (to air filter) and exhaust pipe should be blocked off.
Battery should be kept somewhere cool (not freezing) and charged at least
once a month.
Make sure the coolant has the correct percentage of anti-freeze for the
likely temps, (or drain the radiator and block).
Give the electrics a spray with water dispersant.

I would guess that "bremslicht" is Brake Light, this never goes out until
you apply the brakes.

Under bonnet light should come on when bonnet is open and sidelights are on
(varies with model).

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TomVelk at aol.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: [928uk] winter storage and cold running


> I live in one of the coldest spots in the USA, literally on the Canadian
border.  Could use advice on winter storage (I won't drive it in the snow
and salt at all -- thus it will be idle for 4 - 5 months) and cold weather
driving (when it started the other day, after a light frost, every light on
the dash went on, and so did the big emerg light.  Car warmed up, and I
restated it, and all lights ok (except for "bremslicht" was ist das?  All
lights seem ok, except for under hood light - when, if ever, does it come
on?)  Any recommendations appreciated.  tom
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Wed Oct  8 14:48:18 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:48:18 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] Poor starting
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA54@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Richard,
 
I guess from other other responses that someone has suggested the infamous
HT leads? The high pitched whine is worrying though - it could point to fuel
pump failure "early warning" (I can't think of any other reason why you'd
get that noise from the fuel tank area). But in the meantime you could clean
up & WD40 your HT leads (plug & coil [both of them!] leads) as these often
cause rough running at start up, which clears as moisture evaporates.
 
If it does end up being your fuel pump, at least you'll have
moisture-repellant HT leads!
 
Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Horsley928 [mailto:richard.horsley928 at ntlworld.com]



Dear all,

 

There have been two occasions in the last two weeks when the car failed to
start properly..... 

I would be grateful if someone could recommend things to check... 

One thing I have noticed recently is a high pitched electrical whine from
near the fuel tank.. could this be a sign of impending fuel pump failure?

 

Richard.

92 GTS Auto

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From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Wed Oct  8 15:32:39 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:32:39 +0100
Subject: [928uk] All in a Flap
Message-ID: <E1A7FMl-000MS6-Tu@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

On Saturday whilst at Tilford I tried to diagnose my Flappy problem. The 
result is that there is no signal reaching the solenoid which operates the 
flappy actuator (thanks Michael for your help!). John Speake has helped by 
suggesting what wiring to check (which I've yet had a chance to do) in the 
meantime I have bypassed the solenoid so the flappy is permanently open. 

When testing the car yesterday on the ubiquitous "private road" I can say 
that the car seems to be back to its original power. So my question is: What 
am I losing by having the flappy permanently open? I can't tell any 
difference to the low end of the revs when driving, so is it costing fuel 
economy, emissions or perhaps torque? 

I want to fix it properly, but for now it's staying permanently open. 

Cheers 

Paul 

87 S4 Manual


From JDSPorsche928 at aol.com  Wed Oct  8 17:19:06 2003
From: JDSPorsche928 at aol.com (JDSPorsche928 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:19:06 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Re: All in a Flap
Message-ID: <15d.25c8c4ed.2cb592fa@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/10/03 15:34:31 GMT Daylight Time, ukkid35 at breathe.com 
writes:


> When testing the car yesterday on the ubiquitous "private road" I can say 
> that the car seems to be back to its original power. So my question is: What 
> 
> am I losing by having the flappy permanently open? I can't tell any 
> difference to the low end of the revs when driving, so is it costing fuel 
> economy, emissions or perhaps torque? 
> 
>>>>>>>>
Hi Paul,
Theoretically you should loose out on mid range torque. In fact the flap 
doesn't open until you get high MAF volts and greater than about 5,200rpm. Also, 
when you get near the rpm cutoff point, it closes again. I suspect this might 
to discourage you going up the the cutoff point !

I don't think it will make any difference to economy or emissions.

John
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From andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 17:29:40 2003
From: andrew at ferguson1973.freeserve.co.uk (Andrew Ferguson)
Date: Wed,  8 Oct 2003 18:29:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [928uk] 928s
Message-ID: <16673586.1065630580779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Andrew Ferguson
1984 S2
Silver, with a hint of gold
Blue half leather
Brentwood, Essex


From George.Layton at ukgateway.net  Wed Oct  8 14:51:27 2003
From: George.Layton at ukgateway.net (George Layton)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:51:27 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
References: <OFD1401C4A.D6C1819D-ON80256DB8.003B5580@leeds.gov.uk>
	<012c01c38d02$cf4bacc0$1b232152@shithot>
Message-ID: <000801c38dc8$7eb56aa0$66d6e150@oemcomputer>

Count me in Paul.

Any idea of cost ??

Does the torque tube or flex plate have to be removed to fit these parts
??

Do we know why Porsche stopped fitting these parts ??

George.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Anderson
  To: 928uk at 928.org.uk ; david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk
  Sent: 07 October 2003 19:42
  Subject: Re: [928uk] Flexi-plate


  Yes the circlip retaining washer and the packing washers can be
retrofitted
  to the 4 speed auto cars, i have been toying with the idea of getting
the
  neccessary parts machined to offer the parts as kits, how many of you
4
  speed auto owners would be interested?


  Regards,
  Paul Anderson,

  www.928spares.co.uk
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk>
  To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:54 AM
  Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate


  > I have just relieved the pressure on my flex plate this weekend. It
moved
  > back 4mm. I have read on the various sites about what causes this.
But
  > nobody has come up with a method to stop the ratcheting it appears
only to
  > happen on 4 speed autos. Some one mention a circlip on the shaft of
3
  speed
  > autos which stops the movement can this be fitted to 4 speed autos.
I have
  > checked my end float and this is within  the specified tolerance, so
  > hopefully my car is ok.
  >
  > David
  >
  >
  >
  >
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From go928 at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 20:29:31 2003
From: go928 at btinternet.com (Graham Orr (928))
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:29:31 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <006401c38d84$ecc79c50$0100a8c0@Weasel>
Message-ID: <MCBBKEGMPCJLLIIHNDBIAEOPCDAA.go928@btinternet.com>

Whatever it is, it was not a standard colour for 1991 according to the
brochure.  Polar Silver is the only silver and it is certainly not at all
gold.
Graham
(91 S4 - Amazon Green)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf Of
Iain Titterington
Sent: 08 October 2003 11:14
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk; mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's

Isn't that colour called linen metallic - I've always liked that colour...
----- Original Message -----
From: <mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


>
>
> Mel Thomas
> 91 S4
> Colour - not sure - a sort of light gold/silver metallic.  Anyone know
what
> it is?  I can't find anything in the list that looks right.
> Reading, Berks




From Owen928S4 at aol.com  Wed Oct  8 20:49:49 2003
From: Owen928S4 at aol.com (Owen928S4 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:49:49 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Storage tips
Message-ID: <57.2323c1da.2cb5c45d@aol.com>


I plan to garage mine and run it once a fortnight over the winter, do any of 
those tips still apply Smiffy?


Owen
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From porsche928s at btopenworld.com  Wed Oct  8 21:02:01 2003
From: porsche928s at btopenworld.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:02:01 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
References: <OFD1401C4A.D6C1819D-ON80256DB8.003B5580@leeds.gov.uk>
	<012c01c38d02$cf4bacc0$1b232152@shithot>
	<00cf01c38db1$587200e0$81ddfea9@pc1>
Message-ID: <00ad01c38dd7$09867e40$1b232152@shithot>

Will get the machining work quoted up and then let you all know
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
To: "Paul Anderson" <porsche928s at btopenworld.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Flexi-plate


> Yep, probably interested in the kit if you decide to do one. What's an
all -
> in price ?
>
> Paul B.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Anderson" <porsche928s at btopenworld.com>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Flexi-plate
>
>
> > Yes the circlip retaining washer and the packing washers can be
> retrofitted
> > to the 4 speed auto cars, i have been toying with the idea of getting
the
> > neccessary parts machined to offer the parts as kits, how many of you 4
> > speed auto owners would be interested?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul Anderson,
> >
> > www.928spares.co.uk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk>
> > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:54 AM
> > Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
> >
> >
> > > I have just relieved the pressure on my flex plate this weekend. It
> moved
> > > back 4mm. I have read on the various sites about what causes this. But
> > > nobody has come up with a method to stop the ratcheting it appears
only
> to
> > > happen on 4 speed autos. Some one mention a circlip on the shaft of 3
> > speed
> > > autos which stops the movement can this be fitted to 4 speed autos. I
> have
> > > checked my end float and this is within  the specified tolerance, so
> > > hopefully my car is ok.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > intended recipient only. If you know you are not the intended
recipient,
> > > please do not use or disclose the information in any way and please
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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Wed Oct  8 21:12:20 2003
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:12:20 +0000
Subject: [928uk] All in a Flap
Message-ID: <20031008201220.YPII28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]>

Paul - you are losing about 20bhp/NM between 3500 and 5500rpm. Peak power and low rev power is unaffected.  
Sounds like a bad earth point
Adrian
> 
> From: ukkid35 at breathe.com
> Date: 2003/10/08 Wed PM 02:32:39 GMT
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] All in a Flap
> 
> On Saturday whilst at Tilford I tried to diagnose my Flappy problem. The 
> result is that there is no signal reaching the solenoid which operates the 
> flappy actuator (thanks Michael for your help!). John Speake has helped by 
> suggesting what wiring to check (which I've yet had a chance to do) in the 
> meantime I have bypassed the solenoid so the flappy is permanently open. 
> 
> When testing the car yesterday on the ubiquitous "private road" I can say 
> that the car seems to be back to its original power. So my question is: What 
> am I losing by having the flappy permanently open? I can't tell any 
> difference to the low end of the revs when driving, so is it costing fuel 
> economy, emissions or perhaps torque? 
> 
> I want to fix it properly, but for now it's staying permanently open. 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> Paul 
> 
> 87 S4 Manual
> _______________________________________________
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> 928uk at 928.org.uk
> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk
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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 21:30:33 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:30:33 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
Message-ID: <001101c38ddb$1f2e7b40$f16e893e@BRIERLEY>

Had a great day at Oulton park today.

Completed 78 miles on the circuit which works out at 28 laps (2.775 miles
per lap) at 9.9mpg.

Bad news first, mid-afternoon my GT dumped all it's coolant and had to be
flat bedded back to Chris Sanderson's. Masses of steam blew from the front
of the car  fortunately just before the pit exit. Pulled up in the pit
opened the bonnet to find coolant gushing out around the bulkhead on the
drivers side underneath the air intake. Within seconds all the coolant
discharged, could be just hose but didn't want to start messing at Oulton so
sent it to Chris. If it had to go I suppose that its better there than the
side of the motorway. Importantly, the engine didn't overheat.
Now for the good part. First hour was twenty minute sessions -
beginners/intermediate/advanced.
I went out in the intermediate group, the track was quite wet and I overtook
four 911s - 993, 996, 993 turbo4 and a GT3!!! Nothing came past me.
After the sessions it was open pit lane. The track was still wet but
beginning to dry, overtook another six or so 911s and nothing came past me.
The highlight was up Clay Hill a GT2 was blue flagged to let me pass him!!!
Even better was coming over Hill Top I out dragged a GT3.
Quite a decent mornings work:-)  I think lot of the 911 guys must have been
really pissed off that I passed them.

In the afternoon the track did start to dry and the 911s did seem able to
pick up more speed. A couple of cars I could easily beat in the wet I
struggled with in the mixed dry/wet conditions. I am afraid I had to concede
defeat to a 996 turbo (450bhp) and a well driven GT3. A couple of guys in
911s managed to stuff them into the Amoco, one at the infamous Druids bend.
So loosing coolant seems no problem at all.

A marvellous day also enjoyed by my 928 enthusiast passengers.
Andrew



From jemn at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 21:59:07 2003
From: jemn at btinternet.com (Jemn)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:59:07 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Grounding Problems
In-Reply-To: <011301c38d1f$c9c77320$18abfea9@simone>
Message-ID: <007701c38ddf$0af752b0$0100a8c0@jah>

Marton
 
Even round the carrousel?
 
Jeremy Napier
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On
Behalf Of marton
Sent: 07 October 2003 23:10
To: Lee Sugden; 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] Grounding Problems
 
try checking the ride height.  I never hit the ground with the front
spoiler (even on the Nurburgring...)
 
I think several of the sites have extensive details how to do this check
and it is a common problem (I have heard)
 
Marton
 
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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Wed Oct  8 22:19:14 2003
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:19:14 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
Message-ID: <20031008211914.BPDA28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]>

Andrew

Sounds like a good track day - the coolant loss sounds like the heater valve hose (very common failure) and nothing to be too worried about if its all cleaned up probably.

Regards
> 
> From: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>
> Date: 2003/10/08 Wed PM 08:30:33 GMT+00:00
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
> 
> Had a great day at Oulton park today.
> 
> Completed 78 miles on the circuit which works out at 28 laps (2.775 miles
> per lap) at 9.9mpg.
> 
> Bad news first, mid-afternoon my GT dumped all it's coolant and had to be
> flat bedded back to Chris Sanderson's. Masses of steam blew from the front
> of the car  fortunately just before the pit exit. Pulled up in the pit
> opened the bonnet to find coolant gushing out around the bulkhead on the
> drivers side underneath the air intake. Within seconds all the coolant
> discharged, could be just hose but didn't want to start messing at Oulton so
> sent it to Chris. If it had to go I suppose that its better there than the
> side of the motorway. Importantly, the engine didn't overheat.
> Now for the good part. First hour was twenty minute sessions -
> beginners/intermediate/advanced.
> I went out in the intermediate group, the track was quite wet and I overtook
> four 911s - 993, 996, 993 turbo4 and a GT3!!! Nothing came past me.
> After the sessions it was open pit lane. The track was still wet but
> beginning to dry, overtook another six or so 911s and nothing came past me.
> The highlight was up Clay Hill a GT2 was blue flagged to let me pass him!!!
> Even better was coming over Hill Top I out dragged a GT3.
> Quite a decent mornings work:-)  I think lot of the 911 guys must have been
> really pissed off that I passed them.
> 
> In the afternoon the track did start to dry and the 911s did seem able to
> pick up more speed. A couple of cars I could easily beat in the wet I
> struggled with in the mixed dry/wet conditions. I am afraid I had to concede
> defeat to a 996 turbo (450bhp) and a well driven GT3. A couple of guys in
> 911s managed to stuff them into the Amoco, one at the infamous Druids bend.
> So loosing coolant seems no problem at all.
> 
> A marvellous day also enjoyed by my 928 enthusiast passengers.
> Andrew
> 
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From jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net  Wed Oct  8 23:22:08 2003
From: jon.holdsworth1 at virgin.net (Jon Holdsworth)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:22:08 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
In-Reply-To: <001101c38ddb$1f2e7b40$f16e893e@BRIERLEY>
Message-ID: <NFBBLBADILAOKIFCJCAFEENBDOAA.jon.holdsworth1@virgin.net>

Coolant Loss reads like the very small - about 3" long hose 19mm dia between
the head fitting and the infamous hot water valve. From the location it has
to be that or the heater hoses - more difficult to change so could have been
ignored in the past. If thes have gone/going then time to change the rest as
well. If one of the rad hoses goes then you Engine will overheat
sufficiently to warp heads before you notice and react to it.

Lucky Escape

Jon
Black SE

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
> Behalf Of Andrew Brierley
> Sent: 08 October 2003 21:31
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
>
>
> Had a great day at Oulton park today.
>
> Completed 78 miles on the circuit which works out at 28 laps (2.775 miles
> per lap) at 9.9mpg.
>
> Bad news first, mid-afternoon my GT dumped all it's coolant and had to be
> flat bedded back to Chris Sanderson's. Masses of steam blew from the front
> of the car  fortunately just before the pit exit. Pulled up in the pit
> opened the bonnet to find coolant gushing out around the bulkhead on the
> drivers side underneath the air intake. Within seconds all the coolant
> discharged, could be just hose but didn't want to start messing
> at Oulton so
> sent it to Chris. If it had to go I suppose that its better there than the
> side of the motorway. Importantly, the engine didn't overheat.
> Now for the good part. First hour was twenty minute sessions -
> beginners/intermediate/advanced.
> I went out in the intermediate group, the track was quite wet and
> I overtook
> four 911s - 993, 996, 993 turbo4 and a GT3!!! Nothing came past me.
> After the sessions it was open pit lane. The track was still wet but
> beginning to dry, overtook another six or so 911s and nothing
> came past me.
> The highlight was up Clay Hill a GT2 was blue flagged to let me
> pass him!!!
> Even better was coming over Hill Top I out dragged a GT3.
> Quite a decent mornings work:-)  I think lot of the 911 guys must
> have been
> really pissed off that I passed them.
>
> In the afternoon the track did start to dry and the 911s did seem able to
> pick up more speed. A couple of cars I could easily beat in the wet I
> struggled with in the mixed dry/wet conditions. I am afraid I had
> to concede
> defeat to a 996 turbo (450bhp) and a well driven GT3. A couple of guys in
> 911s managed to stuff them into the Amoco, one at the infamous
> Druids bend.
> So loosing coolant seems no problem at all.
>
> A marvellous day also enjoyed by my 928 enthusiast passengers.
> Andrew
>
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From citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au  Thu Oct  9 00:00:07 2003
From: citecpmc at citec.qld.gov.au (Phil Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:00:07 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <OF8AE5FDF2.5285AB4B-ON80256DB9.00367FC2@bnpparibas.com>
Message-ID: <20031008230007.E18B04CD52@citecub2.citec.qld.gov.au>

mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com wrote:
> 
> Mel Thomas
> 91 S4
> Colour - not sure - a sort of light gold/silver metallic.  Anyone know what
> it is?  I can't find anything in the list that looks right.

Hi Mel,

The colour code may be found in three different places.  These are:

  - on a sticker in the original glove box "Driver's Manual";
  - on a sticker on the passenger's B pillar, just above the
    door lock latch; and
  - on a sticker under the rear carpet on top of the fuel tank.

It's typically three characters (digits and letters).

You can then reconcile the code against one of the 928 colour charts.
As Graham Bates has pointed out, the landsharkoz site has a good one at
<http://www.landsharkoz.com/colourstart.htm>.


--
Phil

Guys are biologically capable of keeping track of a huge number of TV
programs simultaneously by changing the channel the instant something
boring happens, such as dialouge.
        -- Dave Barry


From stephenhargreaves928 at ukf.net  Thu Oct  9 01:07:54 2003
From: stephenhargreaves928 at ukf.net (Stephen Hargreaves)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:07:54 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Radiators (& undertrays)
Message-ID: <A166EBEA-F9EC-11D7-8835-000A9573D80A@ukf.net>

Hi

I was hoping someone would be able to steer me in the right direction 
for a radiator ('87 S4) - when I bought the car it didn't have an 
undertray and I guess it was just one of those things that I'd get 
round to one day...

Devon lanes can be pretty ruthless with our ride heights!

Anyway, I now need both. Any suggestions for a source/supplier? Rads 
seem much cheaper in the States. Any experiences/differences to be 
aware of?

Many thanks

Stephen Hargreaves (white '87 S4 - Mid Devon)



From kev_hughes1 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  9 06:50:34 2003
From: kev_hughes1 at hotmail.com (Kev Hughes)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 05:50:34 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Radiators (& undertrays)
Message-ID: <Sea1-F86MT9dKTDzKLh0000060f@hotmail.com>

Stephen,
I required a Rad for an `87 when i bought my car. The problem with the early 
S4's is that they have 2 oil coolers built in - engine and g/box. Also I 
think they run at quite a high pressure.
I was advised (Chris - Loe bank), that only get a new one. This was about 
?700 + VAT.
I couldn't sourse a cheaper one.
Plenty of people said they could repair, but if it fails and coolent enters 
the g/box, then it kills it (apparently)!

I'm also missing an undertray, was told this is normal. and makes working on 
the car and spotting leaks, easier.

Kev.


>From: Stephen Hargreaves <stephenhargreaves928 at ukf.net>
>To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>Subject: [928uk] Radiators (& undertrays)
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:07:54 +0100
>
>Hi
>
>I was hoping someone would be able to steer me in the right direction for a 
>radiator ('87 S4) - when I bought the car it didn't have an undertray and I 
>guess it was just one of those things that I'd get round to one day...
>
>Devon lanes can be pretty ruthless with our ride heights!
>
>Anyway, I now need both. Any suggestions for a source/supplier? Rads seem 
>much cheaper in the States. Any experiences/differences to be aware of?
>
>Many thanks
>
>Stephen Hargreaves (white '87 S4 - Mid Devon)
>
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From kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 07:30:21 2003
From: kenrick_ramlochan at yahoo.com (Kenrick Ramlochan)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:30:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [928uk] Radiators (& undertrays)
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F86MT9dKTDzKLh0000060f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20031009063021.3552.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com>

A missing undertray is not normal (badly bashed,
yes)and given Stephen's Devon roads I would suggest
that an undertray would be an early warning that
clearance isn't what it should be and that something
more important like an oil sump is likely to be
damaged. At this stage, I typically slow down or find
a more 928 friendly route.
Not sure about the leak spotting argument.
As I understand it, the prime purpose of the undertray
is to provide a more streamlined profile for high
speed travel, which I guess only matters at speeds of
excess of 100 mph.
Kenrick


--- Kev Hughes <kev_hughes1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm also missing an undertray, was told this is
> normal. and makes working on 
> the car and spotting leaks, easier.
> 
> Kev.
> 


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From mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com  Thu Oct  9 09:11:10 2003
From: mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com (mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:11:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
Message-ID: <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810@bnpparibas.com>


Although the car was first registered in 1991 (1st January), it's probably
a 1990 model then, since metallic linen seems to be a standard colour for
89 and 90.

Were there big changes for 1991?

Mel



Internet
go928 at btinternet.com - 08/10/2003 20:29

To:    titters, 928uk, Mel THOMAS

cc:


Subject:    RE: [928uk] 928's


Whatever it is, it was not a standard colour for 1991 according to the
brochure.  Polar Silver is the only silver and it is certainly not at all
gold.
Graham
(91 S4 - Amazon Green)

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On Behalf
Of
Iain Titterington
Sent: 08 October 2003 11:14
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk; mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's

Isn't that colour called linen metallic - I've always liked that colour...
----- Original Message -----
From: <mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


>
>
> Mel Thomas
> 91 S4
> Colour - not sure - a sort of light gold/silver metallic.  Anyone know
what
> it is?  I can't find anything in the list that looks right.
> Reading, Berks









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From grahambates at shoal.net.au  Thu Oct  9 09:42:34 2003
From: grahambates at shoal.net.au (Graham Bates)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:42:34 +1000
Subject: [928uk] Radiators (& undertrays)
References: <A166EBEA-F9EC-11D7-8835-000A9573D80A@ukf.net>
Message-ID: <006901c38e41$69473a80$cea6cacb@grahambates>

Stephen,
             Radiators and aftermarket undertrays are available from
www.devek.net . I'm a believer in undertrays. I believe Porsche spent time
developing the undertray for aerodynamic reasons and as part of the engine
cooling package. Also there is a need to protect the accessory belts on the
front of the engine. I have heard of one local 928 picking up a rag off the
road and breaking a belt.

Regards,
Graham Bates '82 928s

> Hi
>
> I was hoping someone would be able to steer me in the right direction
> for a radiator ('87 S4) - when I bought the car it didn't have an
> undertray and I guess it was just one of those things that I'd get
> round to one day...
>
> Devon lanes can be pretty ruthless with our ride heights!
>
> Anyway, I now need both. Any suggestions for a source/supplier? Rads
> seem much cheaper in the States. Any experiences/differences to be
> aware of?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Stephen Hargreaves (white '87 S4 - Mid Devon)




From andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz  Thu Oct  9 10:12:03 2003
From: andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz (Andy McIntyre)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:12:03 +1300
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810@bnpparibas.com>
References: <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810@bnpparibas.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031009215856.02766c98@pop.ihug.co.nz>

The Landshark Oz site http://www.landsharkoz.com/ has an excellent rundown 
of the changes year-by year for Australian 928's.  Click on the Evolution 
link in the left-side navigation bar on their home page.  UK cars are not 
exactly the same, but it's an interesting read in any case.

AJM
Black SE


At 09:11 9-10-2003 +0100, mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com wrote:

>Although the car was first registered in 1991 (1st January), it's probably
>a 1990 model then, since metallic linen seems to be a standard colour for
>89 and 90.
>
>Were there big changes for 1991?
>
>Mel



From SWalker at ndsuk.com  Thu Oct  9 10:20:24 2003
From: SWalker at ndsuk.com (Walker, Scott)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:20:24 +0100 
Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
Message-ID: <E75C60C3A091F34CAFCF195729F41757B1BA5A@cyclone.UK.NDS.COM>

Andrew - sounds like you had a good time... apart from a bit of steam!

I concur with the others on the cause - the short rubber coolant hose that
connects the back of the engine to the heater valve (under the airbox -
driver's side [RHD]). Mine went during the really hot weather this summer
(when cooling system was working hard - as per your case). In my case I'd
just arrived at the hospital to pick up my wife & new baby (ooops!)... so
maybe even more embarrassing than it happening after an Oulton Park track
session!

Mine split along its top edge (1 inch gash) and the results are dramatic as
you experienced.

The good news is that it only cost about a tenner from the OPC + new hose
clips. I ended up replacing my heater valve at the same time (precautionary
for this also infamous part - about 40GBP from OPC) as it hangs on the end
of the short hose.

I would also check your rad top hose where it joins the engine. Just a week
before my heater valve incident, this hose developed a "gash" too just
before the hose clamp & had to be replaced (if the hose is at all "swollen"
I'd replace it).

Scott '91 GT

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Brierley [mailto:mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk]

Had a great day at Oulton park today.

Completed 78 miles on the circuit which works out at 28 laps (2.775 miles
per lap) at 9.9mpg.

Bad news first, mid-afternoon my GT dumped all it's coolant and had to be
flat bedded back to Chris Sanderson's... 
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From omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 19:08:24 2003
From: omi at oheer.fsnet.co.uk (Omi Heer)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:08:24 -0700
Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c38dd7$09867e40$1b232152@shithot>
Message-ID: <NHBBLBCLKLCMIJOPPDPCOEBBCFAA.omi@oheer.fsnet.co.uk>

P,
I am quite confident that there will be many 928 autos out there waiting for
a solution. What are the implications and how much?

Keep us posted.

Oheer
91 S4 auto.

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk]On
Behalf Of Paul Anderson
Sent: 08 October 2003 13:02
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk; Paul Berridge
Subject: Re: [928uk] Flexi-plate


Will get the machining work quoted up and then let you all know
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Berridge" <paul.berridge at virgin.net>
To: "Paul Anderson" <porsche928s at btopenworld.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Flexi-plate


> Yep, probably interested in the kit if you decide to do one. What's an
all -
> in price ?
>
> Paul B.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Anderson" <porsche928s at btopenworld.com>
> To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>; <david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [928uk] Flexi-plate
>
>
> > Yes the circlip retaining washer and the packing washers can be
> retrofitted
> > to the 4 speed auto cars, i have been toying with the idea of getting
the
> > neccessary parts machined to offer the parts as kits, how many of you 4
> > speed auto owners would be interested?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul Anderson,
> >
> > www.928spares.co.uk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <david.pickles at leeds.gov.uk>
> > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:54 AM
> > Subject: [928uk] Flexi-plate
> >
> >
> > > I have just relieved the pressure on my flex plate this weekend. It
> moved
> > > back 4mm. I have read on the various sites about what causes this. But
> > > nobody has come up with a method to stop the ratcheting it appears
only
> to
> > > happen on 4 speed autos. Some one mention a circlip on the shaft of 3
> > speed
> > > autos which stops the movement can this be fitted to 4 speed autos. I
> have
> > > checked my end float and this is within  the specified tolerance, so
> > > hopefully my car is ok.
> > >
> > > David
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From richard at ritech-systems.com  Thu Oct  9 11:21:37 2003
From: richard at ritech-systems.com (Richard Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:21:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810@bnpparibas.com>
References: <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810@bnpparibas.com>
Message-ID: <9OEDfmMxaTh$Ew73@ritech-systems.com>

Just to chuck another tuppence in -
I cannot find any reference to the Forest Green of my '91 S4 on the 
colour chart - it IS on the Aus Landshark site, but nothing in the UK.
Hmm seems to be some info missing off the official records

Richard







In message <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810 at bnpparibas.com>, 
mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com writes
>
>Although the car was first registered in 1991 (1st January), it's probably
>a 1990 model then, since metallic linen seems to be a standard colour for
>89 and 90.
>
>Were there big changes for 1991?
>
>Mel




From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Thu Oct  9 11:37:34 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:37:34 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
References: <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810@bnpparibas.com>
	<6.0.0.22.2.20031009215856.02766c98@pop.ihug.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002c01c38e51$5b9a4d40$5eae4ed5@computername>

Does this car have an off position on the heater control, or a recirc
position (left end of bottom lever)?

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy McIntyre" <andyjmc2 at ihug.co.nz>
To: <mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com>
Cc: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: [928uk] 928's


> The Landshark Oz site http://www.landsharkoz.com/ has an excellent rundown
> of the changes year-by year for Australian 928's.  Click on the Evolution
> link in the left-side navigation bar on their home page.  UK cars are not
> exactly the same, but it's an interesting read in any case.
>
> AJM
> Black SE
>
>
> At 09:11 9-10-2003 +0100, mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com wrote:
>
> >Although the car was first registered in 1991 (1st January), it's
probably
> >a 1990 model then, since metallic linen seems to be a standard colour for
> >89 and 90.
> >
> >Were there big changes for 1991?
> >
> >Mel
>
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From kal at monkeysgonebad.com  Thu Oct  9 11:54:30 2003
From: kal at monkeysgonebad.com (kal)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:54:30 +0100
Subject: [928uk] 928's
In-Reply-To: <9OEDfmMxaTh$Ew73@ritech-systems.com>
Message-ID: <000201c38e53$baa681d0$c501a8c0@FUNKYCHIMP>

Talking of tuppence, my '89 S4 auto in in wrapped in something called
'diamond blue' (I think the code is 637) which is in fact a kind of silver
which somebody tells me was a 911 anniversary colour.... Was it a standard
colour and my man is wrong? It's got a digital dash so is it possible it is
a '90 or sommat?

-----Original Message-----
From: 928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at 928.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Richard Armstrong
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:22
To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Cc: 928uk at 928.org.uk
Subject: Re: [928uk] 928's


Just to chuck another tuppence in -
I cannot find any reference to the Forest Green of my '91 S4 on the 
colour chart - it IS on the Aus Landshark site, but nothing in the UK. Hmm
seems to be some info missing off the official records

Richard







In message <OFF1F6526B.43C4A6D0-ON80256DBA.002CF810 at bnpparibas.com>, 
mel.thomas at bnpparibas.com writes
>
>Although the car was first registered in 1991 (1st January), it's 
>probably a 1990 model then, since metallic linen seems to be a standard 
>colour for 89 and 90.
>
>Were there big changes for 1991?
>
>Mel


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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 12:45:45 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:45:45 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
References: <20031008211914.BPDA28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]>
Message-ID: <008401c38e5c$559269e0$32aa87d9@n7m9k7>

Yep I'm sue it's just a hose or heater valve, I'll let you know.

Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: <adrian928 at tesco.net>
To: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>; <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [928uk] Oulton Park


> Andrew
>
> Sounds like a good track day - the coolant loss sounds like the heater
valve hose (very common failure) and nothing to be too worried about if its
all cleaned up probably.
>
> Regards
> >
> > From: "Andrew Brierley" <mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk>
> > Date: 2003/10/08 Wed PM 08:30:33 GMT+00:00
> > To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
> > Subject: [928uk] Oulton Park
> >
> > Had a great day at Oulton park today.
> >
> > Completed 78 miles on the circuit which works out at 28 laps (2.775
miles
> > per lap) at 9.9mpg.
> >
> > Bad news first, mid-afternoon my GT dumped all it's coolant and had to
be
> > flat bedded back to Chris Sanderson's. Masses of steam blew from the
front
> > of the car  fortunately just before the pit exit. Pulled up in the pit
> > opened the bonnet to find coolant gushing out around the bulkhead on the
> > drivers side underneath the air intake. Within seconds all the coolant
> > discharged, could be just hose but didn't want to start messing at
Oulton so
> > sent it to Chris. If it had to go I suppose that its better there than
the
> > side of the motorway. Importantly, the engine didn't overheat.
> > Now for the good part. First hour was twenty minute sessions -
> > beginners/intermediate/advanced.
> > I went out in the intermediate group, the track was quite wet and I
overtook
> > four 911s - 993, 996, 993 turbo4 and a GT3!!! Nothing came past me.
> > After the sessions it was open pit lane. The track was still wet but
> > beginning to dry, overtook another six or so 911s and nothing came past
me.
> > The highlight was up Clay Hill a GT2 was blue flagged to let me pass
him!!!
> > Even better was coming over Hill Top I out dragged a GT3.
> > Quite a decent mornings work:-)  I think lot of the 911 guys must have
been
> > really pissed off that I passed them.
> >
> > In the afternoon the track did start to dry and the 911s did seem able
to
> > pick up more speed. A couple of cars I could easily beat in the wet I
> > struggled with in the mixed dry/wet conditions. I am afraid I had to
concede
> > defeat to a 996 turbo (450bhp) and a well driven GT3. A couple of guys
in
> > 911s managed to stuff them into the Amoco, one at the infamous Druids
bend.
> > So loosing coolant seems no problem at all.
> >
> > A marvellous day also enjoyed by my 928 enthusiast passengers.
> > Andrew
> >
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>



From ukkid35 at breathe.com  Thu Oct  9 14:02:52 2003
From: ukkid35 at breathe.com (ukkid35 at breathe.com)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:02:52 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: All in a Flap
In-Reply-To: <20031008201220.YPII28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]>
References: <20031008201220.YPII28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]>
Message-ID: <E1A7aRQ-0003Sh-7W@mk-webmail-2.b2b.uk.tiscali.com>

Thanks Adrian 

Looks like I'm going to have to try Wally Plumley's annual electrical 
maintenance list:

 1)  Open the hatch and remove the tool panel.  Remove the carpet and
     spare tire cover.  Remove the spare, tools, etc.  Open the battery
     box.

 2)  Disconnect the ground cable from the chassis.  Remove the negative
     battery terminal.  Remove the positive battery terminal.  Remove
     the battery.  Use extreme caution to avoid getting battery acid
     or residue from the top of the battery or cables in your eyes.
     Goggles are recommended.  If the battery brushes against your
     clothes, you can end up with holes.

 3)  Clean the battery terminals until they are bright and shiny.  Dull
     gray won't do.  If it is possible to check the fluid level in the
     battery, do so.  Fill to the rings.  Wash the battery.  Put it on
     a charger if possible.

 4)  Clean the battery box, removing all corrosion.  Wash the battery
     box.  After it dries, touch up the finish as required.

 5)  Clean the battery cable terminals (all three) until the connection
     area is clean and shiny.  Dull gray won't do.  Clean the connection
     area on the chassis.

 6)  Clean the speedometer/odometer drive electrical connector in the
     right forward corner of the spare tire well (pre-'90 models).

 7)  Raise the hood (bonnet).  Remove the protective cap from the jump
     start terminal and pull the protective plastic cover from the
     terminal.  If you are missing the cover or the cap, replace them -
     they are critical items.  If there is no cover, water will enter
     the connector and corrode the connectors and wires, causing serious
     electrical problems.

 8)  If the connections are clean and tight, replace the cover and cap.
     If the connections show any corrosion or looseness, disassemble,
     clean and reassemble.

 9)  Jack the right front of the car so that you can SAFELY work
     underneath.

 10) Remove the ground cable that runs from the right side of the engine
     to the chassis.  Clean both ends of the cable, and check for
     corrosion in the cable.  Clean the connection points, and replace
     the cable.

 11) Check the heavy cable connection on the starter solenoid for
     looseness or corrosion.

 12) Check the moderately heavy wires on the same connection for
     corrosion and breaks inside the insulation.  These carry the
     charging current from the alternator.

 13) Check the small yellow wire connection for corrosion and tightness.
     This wire triggers the starter solenoid.

 14) Lower the car.  Fold back the carpet and open the central power
     panel cover.

 15) Check the main power connections at the top of the panel for
     tightness and corrosion.

 16) Check the ground connections above the panel for tightness and
     corrosion.

 17) If you are having electrical problems, remove each fuse and reinsert
     three times.  Check the fuses for the proper value, and examine
     them visually for damage or corrosion.  Test them if desired.
     Later cars have a fuse tester built into one of the relays.

 18) If you feel that it is necessary, remove and reinsert each relay.
     This won't be easy, as they fit very tightly in some cases.
     Porsche sells a relay removal tool, but I am not impressed.  It
     is basically a pair of pliers with square jaws, and will pull the
     relay apart.  One tool that works well is a spark plug boot removal
     tool.  It is a thin but strong sheet metal tool shaped like a "J"
     with the top 1/8" bent over at a right angle.  You can put this
     angle under the bottom edge of the relay and lift it out - IF the
     battery is disconnected!

 19) Close the panel and replace the carpet.

 20) Replace the battery.  Install the positive cable.  Install the
     negative cable.  Put a drop of oil on each nut.  Connect the
     chassis end of the ground (negative) cable.  Make certain that
     the positive battery terminal can not short against the box lid.
     A terminal cover is a good thing.  Lubricate the battery box latch
     and close the box.

 21) Lubricate the rear wiper drive shaft and hatch latch mechanism.

 22) Clean the spare tire, jack and tools.  Put a couple of large heavy
     plastic garbage bags in the spare tire well for emergencies, along
     with a tube of hand cleaner and some paper towels.  Install the
     cover and carpet.

 23) Lubricate the jack, and put it inside the tool panel.  Clean and
     lubricate the tools.  Reinstall the tool and tool panel.

 24) Reset the clock and radio presets. 

 

adrian928 at tesco.net writes: 

> Paul - you are losing about 20bhp/NM between 3500 and 5500rpm. Peak power and low rev power is unaffected.  
> Sounds like a bad earth point
> Adrian
>> 
>> From: ukkid35 at breathe.com
>> Date: 2003/10/08 Wed PM 02:32:39 GMT
>> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
>> Subject: [928uk] All in a Flap 
>> 
>> On Saturday whilst at Tilford I tried to diagnose my Flappy problem. The 
>> result is that there is no signal reaching the solenoid which operates the 
>> flappy actuator (thanks Michael for your help!). John Speake has helped by 
>> suggesting what wiring to check (which I've yet had a chance to do) in the 
>> meantime I have bypassed the solenoid so the flappy is permanently open.  
>> 
>> When testing the car yesterday on the ubiquitous "private road" I can say 
>> that the car seems to be back to its original power. So my question is: What 
>> am I losing by having the flappy permanently open? I can't tell any 
>> difference to the low end of the revs when driving, so is it costing fuel 
>> economy, emissions or perhaps torque?  
>> 
>> I want to fix it properly, but for now it's staying permanently open.  
>> 
>> Cheers  
>> 
>> Paul  
>> 
>> 87 S4 Manual
>> _______________________________________________
>> 928uk mailing list
>> 928uk at 928.org.uk
>> http://www.928.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/928uk 
>> 
> 
 



From LINDA1027 at aol.com  Thu Oct  9 14:37:49 2003
From: LINDA1027 at aol.com (LINDA1027 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:37:49 EDT
Subject: [928uk] Radiators (& undertrays)
Message-ID: <1d1.122a3ac9.2cb6bead@aol.com>

Stephen - I was going to suggest Devek, but someone else beat me to it.

I replaced my original radiator with one of theirs about 4 or 5 years ago.  
If I am remember correctly, Devek's design is different and better than the 
original, built specifically for the 928.  It's been great, no problems with it 
whatsoever.

Granted, when I did this, I lived in northern California where they are 
located, but it still might be worth looking into.

Best regards, Linda
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From Rickythorpe at aol.com  Thu Oct  9 15:22:32 2003
From: Rickythorpe at aol.com (Rickythorpe at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:22:32 EDT
Subject: [928uk] re seizing engine
Message-ID: <15.1a32e1c2.2cb6c928@aol.com>

when my 1985 S2 does approx 20 miles and gets hot it stalls you then wait 10 
to 15 minutes and it will start agin but wont idle it is also very sluggish to 
start.a garage has changed the air flow meter,battery and repaired the 
starter motor[apparently it was faulty]i still have the same problem and they are 
now telling me it is the thrustwashers around the crankshaft possibly but they 
can't be certain,all this from a main porsche dealer,ouch!any ideas please. 
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From malcolm.nicholls1 at virgin.net  Thu Oct  9 15:19:21 2003
From: malcolm.nicholls1 at virgin.net (malcolm nicholls)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:19:21 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Anderson Music
Message-ID: <003801c38e70$56bcc900$04916751@oemcomputer>

Just purchased a new sound system from Mr P Anderson,sounds fantatic and can be hidden underneath the rear of the car.So anybody out there with ariel or I.C.E problems best give Paul a ring.
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From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Thu Oct  9 15:48:06 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:48:06 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Anderson Music
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F7018959F9@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

malcolm,
 
do you want to expand on that?  what and how and where have you installed?
 
cheers,
 
Gareth
928S with crappy sony with 10 discs in the boot, on plain view..


 

  _____  

From: malcolm nicholls [mailto:malcolm.nicholls1 at virgin.net] 
Sent: 09 October 2003 15:19
To: '928uk'
Subject: [928uk] Anderson Music


Just purchased a new sound system from Mr P Anderson,sounds fantatic and can
be hidden underneath the rear of the car.So anybody out there with ariel or
I.C.E problems best give Paul a ring.


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From mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 16:00:17 2003
From: mail at brierley28.fsnet.co.uk (Andrew Brierley)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:00:17 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Reg. number Transfers
References: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F7018959F9@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c38e76$10212a80$9a9987d9@n7m9k7>

Can anyone help with information about transferring registration numbers?

As you all know I have sold my S4 and my plan was to transfer the private plate of my S4 to another vehicle and transfer ownership to the new owner in one go.

I now have in front of me form INS113 ''Transfer of a Registration Mark'' which clearly states  - ''If the transfer is approved by the Vehicle Registration Office, the donor vehicle should not be disposed of before the replacement V5 is received from the DVLA. If it is, the number will pass immediately to the new keeper and the transfer will be cancelled''.

This does not make any sense to me, when people trade in their cars they leave the old vehicle at the dealers and take away the new car with the reg. on, they don't keep the donor vehicle. Can anyone enlighten me?
Obviously my purchaser is keen (rightly so) to take the car.

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From Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie  Thu Oct  9 15:57:56 2003
From: Gareth.Croeser at itsis.ie (Croeser, Gareth)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:57:56 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Anderson Music
Message-ID: <74DEF5184CEF754EB6839361AB1715F7018959FB@itsis-exchange1.itsis.net>

sorry, the penny just dropped...
 
me being blonde and all...
 
 

  _____  

From: malcolm nicholls [mailto:malcolm.nicholls1 at virgin.net] 
Sent: 09 October 2003 15:19
To: '928uk'
Subject: [928uk] Anderson Music


Just purchased a new sound system from Mr P Anderson,sounds fantatic and can
be hidden underneath the rear of the car.So anybody out there with ariel or
I.C.E problems best give Paul a ring.


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From smiffypr at onetel.net.uk  Thu Oct  9 16:35:10 2003
From: smiffypr at onetel.net.uk (Paul R Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:35:10 +0100
Subject: [928uk] re seizing engine
References: <15.1a32e1c2.2cb6c928@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004401c38e7a$edb8c750$2a544ed5@computername>

I assume your car is an auto?
IF it is the crankshaft thrust bearings, this is very serious.
It is almost always caused by the flexplate becoming pre-loaded.

What you must do is stop driving it, take off the lower bellhousing (6
bolts), then slacken the big allen screw clamping the flex-plate to the
drive shaft, and check how far the clamp moves (this indicates how much the
flex-plate was pre-loaded).

Then you need to move the crankshaft forwards and backwards and measure how
far it moves. This will indicate how worn the thrust bearings are.

If they are worn beyond the wear limit ( 0.4 mm ), its an engine out job to
change. If the wear is much greater (say 2 mm ) there is a serious danger
that the crankshaft is scrap. If you continue to drive it, you will also
scrap the block, and risk it seizing solid.

If you're not up to checking it yourself, get it looked at by someone who
can. Ignoring this will be fatal to your engine.

Smiffy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Rickythorpe at aol.com>
To: <928uk at 928.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: [928uk] re seizing engine


> when my 1985 S2 does approx 20 miles and gets hot it stalls you then wait
10
> to 15 minutes and it will start agin but wont idle it is also very
sluggish to
> start.a garage has changed the air flow meter,battery and repaired the
> starter motor[apparently it was faulty]i still have the same problem and
they are
> now telling me it is the thrustwashers around the crankshaft possibly but
they
> can't be certain,all this from a main porsche dealer,ouch!any ideas
please.
>


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From TIMCOAGF at aol.com  Thu Oct  9 17:11:43 2003
From: TIMCOAGF at aol.com (TIMCOAGF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:11:43 EDT
Subject: [928uk] re seizing engine
Message-ID: <129.32b781c7.2cb6e2bf@aol.com>

In a message dated 09/10/2003 15:30:42 GMT Daylight Time, Rickythorpe at aol.com 
writes:

> telling me it is the thrustwashers around the crankshaft possibly but they 
> can't be certain,all this from a main porsche 

Have they checked the afm they removed? Have they checked crank end float? a 
simple procedure, sounds like they need to borrow a manual from someone. 
Sounds like another OPC to be wary of JMHO Tim
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From paul.berridge at virgin.net  Thu Oct  9 19:26:37 2003
From: paul.berridge at virgin.net (Paul Berridge)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:26:37 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Cost Effective autos ?
Message-ID: <006f01c38e92$e11dc5a0$81ddfea9@pc1>

Just a quick one about auto boxes. On our works 24 V Senators a few years ago, we would need a new clutch regularly, often after only 5000 miles. The cost of a clutch at the time was ?110. It was fitted by our own workshops who were getting paid regardless so the labour was not really an issue. Our fleet manager, and I use the term loosely, decided that this was not cost effective and bought the Omegas that we have just worn out, with autos. This was at a premium over the standard manuals. He thought he would save money. The auto boxes lasted no more than 40K and needed replacing at ?2500 a throw. We told him this would happen but he thought he knew better.

Hmmmm,   not much good at maths is he ?

He is still employed although none of my colleagues know why.

Was the 928 auto an option ?  If it was, how much extra was it ?  Just curious as mine is an auto.

Paul B.
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From paul.berridge at virgin.net  Thu Oct  9 19:38:12 2003
From: paul.berridge at virgin.net (Paul Berridge)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:38:12 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Newest 928 ?
Message-ID: <007a01c38e94$7f05dae0$81ddfea9@pc1>

Just had my log book back from DVLA after an address change. Date first registered - April 22 1998 !

Pretty good eh - guess I got the last one ! considering the S4 stopped in May 92, (according to official Porsche booklet I have )

Phoned DVLA - they said they would "look into it" - send back the V5  -  T*****S.

Phoned OPC - very helpful - confirmed 22 april 87 as I thought - letter sent FOC to me stating same.

Phoned DVLA back - they have looked into it and can say the car was definitely MANUFACTURED 31.12.87.

Even bigger tossers.

God only knows what the replacement V5 is going to have on it.

Did you know that DVLA has one of the highest suicide rates amongst it's employees in the country  ?

Anyone else been banging their head against a brick wall because of these idiots ?

Paul B - with a sore head but a soothing V8 growl.
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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Thu Oct  9 20:53:52 2003
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:53:52 +0000
Subject: [928uk] Re: All in a Flap
Message-ID: <20031009195352.MAME28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]>

Paul - depsite Walley's comprehensive list, I don't think he's included all earth points, especially the likely suspect.  This can alternatively be checked by disconnecting the LH and EZK plugs and using a multimeter, but you need the wiring diagrams to identify the 4 earth connections.  You must disconnect the battery first aswell

Regards
> 
> From: ukkid35 at breathe.com
> Date: 2003/10/09 Thu PM 01:02:52 GMT+00:00
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] Re: All in a Flap
> 
> Thanks Adrian 
> 
> Looks like I'm going to have to try Wally Plumley's annual electrical 
> maintenance list:
> 
>  1)  Open the hatch and remove the tool panel.  Remove the carpet and
>      spare tire cover.  Remove the spare, tools, etc.  Open the battery
>      box.
> 
>  2)  Disconnect the ground cable from the chassis.  Remove the negative
>      battery terminal.  Remove the positive battery terminal.  Remove
>      the battery.  Use extreme caution to avoid getting battery acid
>      or residue from the top of the battery or cables in your eyes.
>      Goggles are recommended.  If the battery brushes against your
>      clothes, you can end up with holes.
> 
>  3)  Clean the battery terminals until they are bright and shiny.  Dull
>      gray won't do.  If it is possible to check the fluid level in the
>      battery, do so.  Fill to the rings.  Wash the battery.  Put it on
>      a charger if possible.
> 
>  4)  Clean the battery box, removing all corrosion.  Wash the battery
>      box.  After it dries, touch up the finish as required.
> 
>  5)  Clean the battery cable terminals (all three) until the connection
>      area is clean and shiny.  Dull gray won't do.  Clean the connection
>      area on the chassis.
> 
>  6)  Clean the speedometer/odometer drive electrical connector in the
>      right forward corner of the spare tire well (pre-'90 models).
> 
>  7)  Raise the hood (bonnet).  Remove the protective cap from the jump
>      start terminal and pull the protective plastic cover from the
>      terminal.  If you are missing the cover or the cap, replace them -
>      they are critical items.  If there is no cover, water will enter
>      the connector and corrode the connectors and wires, causing serious
>      electrical problems.
> 
>  8)  If the connections are clean and tight, replace the cover and cap.
>      If the connections show any corrosion or looseness, disassemble,
>      clean and reassemble.
> 
>  9)  Jack the right front of the car so that you can SAFELY work
>      underneath.
> 
>  10) Remove the ground cable that runs from the right side of the engine
>      to the chassis.  Clean both ends of the cable, and check for
>      corrosion in the cable.  Clean the connection points, and replace
>      the cable.
> 
>  11) Check the heavy cable connection on the starter solenoid for
>      looseness or corrosion.
> 
>  12) Check the moderately heavy wires on the same connection for
>      corrosion and breaks inside the insulation.  These carry the
>      charging current from the alternator.
> 
>  13) Check the small yellow wire connection for corrosion and tightness.
>      This wire triggers the starter solenoid.
> 
>  14) Lower the car.  Fold back the carpet and open the central power
>      panel cover.
> 
>  15) Check the main power connections at the top of the panel for
>      tightness and corrosion.
> 
>  16) Check the ground connections above the panel for tightness and
>      corrosion.
> 
>  17) If you are having electrical problems, remove each fuse and reinsert
>      three times.  Check the fuses for the proper value, and examine
>      them visually for damage or corrosion.  Test them if desired.
>      Later cars have a fuse tester built into one of the relays.
> 
>  18) If you feel that it is necessary, remove and reinsert each relay.
>      This won't be easy, as they fit very tightly in some cases.
>      Porsche sells a relay removal tool, but I am not impressed.  It
>      is basically a pair of pliers with square jaws, and will pull the
>      relay apart.  One tool that works well is a spark plug boot removal
>      tool.  It is a thin but strong sheet metal tool shaped like a "J"
>      with the top 1/8" bent over at a right angle.  You can put this
>      angle under the bottom edge of the relay and lift it out - IF the
>      battery is disconnected!
> 
>  19) Close the panel and replace the carpet.
> 
>  20) Replace the battery.  Install the positive cable.  Install the
>      negative cable.  Put a drop of oil on each nut.  Connect the
>      chassis end of the ground (negative) cable.  Make certain that
>      the positive battery terminal can not short against the box lid.
>      A terminal cover is a good thing.  Lubricate the battery box latch
>      and close the box.
> 
>  21) Lubricate the rear wiper drive shaft and hatch latch mechanism.
> 
>  22) Clean the spare tire, jack and tools.  Put a couple of large heavy
>      plastic garbage bags in the spare tire well for emergencies, along
>      with a tube of hand cleaner and some paper towels.  Install the
>      cover and carpet.
> 
>  23) Lubricate the jack, and put it inside the tool panel.  Clean and
>      lubricate the tools.  Reinstall the tool and tool panel.
> 
>  24) Reset the clock and radio presets. 
> 
>  
> 
> adrian928 at tesco.net writes: 
> 
> > Paul - you are losing about 20bhp/NM between 3500 and 5500rpm. Peak power and low rev power is unaffected.  
> > Sounds like a bad earth point
> > Adrian
> >> 
> >> From: ukkid35 at breathe.com
> >> Date: 2003/10/08 Wed PM 02:32:39 GMT
> >> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> >> Subject: [928uk] All in a Flap 
> >> 
> >> On Saturday whilst at Tilford I tried to diagnose my Flappy problem. The 
> >> result is that there is no signal reaching the solenoid which operates the 
> >> flappy actuator (thanks Michael for your help!). John Speake has helped by 
> >> suggesting what wiring to check (which I've yet had a chance to do) in the 
> >> meantime I have bypassed the solenoid so the flappy is permanently open.  
> >> 
> >> When testing the car yesterday on the ubiquitous "private road" I can say 
> >> that the car seems to be back to its original power. So my question is: What 
> >> am I losing by having the flappy permanently open? I can't tell any 
> >> difference to the low end of the revs when driving, so is it costing fuel 
> >> economy, emissions or perhaps torque?  
> >> 
> >> I want to fix it properly, but for now it's staying permanently open.  
> >> 
> >> Cheers  
> >> 
> >> Paul  
> >> 
> >> 87 S4 Manual
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> >> 
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From adrian928 at tesco.net  Thu Oct  9 20:56:43 2003
From: adrian928 at tesco.net (adrian928 at tesco.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:56:43 +0000
Subject: [928uk] re seizing engine
Message-ID: <20031009195643.MCUD28456.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.71]>

Sounds like thrust bearing problems - don't run the engine as it will quickly make it worse.  First thing I'd check is the flexplate to see how much tension is in it.

Adrian
> 
> From: Rickythorpe at aol.com
> Date: 2003/10/09 Thu PM 02:22:32 GMT+00:00
> To: 928uk at 928.org.uk
> Subject: [928uk] re seizing engine
> 
> when my 1985 S2 does approx 20 miles and gets hot it stalls you then wait 10 
> to 15 minutes and it will start agin but wont idle it is also very sluggish to 
> start.a garage has changed the air flow meter,battery and repaired the 
> starter motor[apparently it was faulty]i still have the same problem and they are 
> now telling me it is the thrustwashers around the crankshaft possibly but they 
> can't be certain,all this from a main porsche dealer,ouch!any ideas please. 
> 
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From RichDunn at Onetel.net.uk  Thu Oct  9 21:11:55 2003
From: RichDunn at Onetel.net.uk (Rich Dunn)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:11:55 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Re: 928 list
References: <200310070830.h978Uci22647@raq01.multizone.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003f01c38ea1$aca85e20$9b7c4ed5@r1>

Richie Dunn
'93 GTS manual
Midnight blue
Ayr, Scotland



From andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 21:39:43 2003
From: andysmail at a-boardman.demon.co.uk (Andy Boardman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:39:43 +0100
Subject: [928uk] Maroon Vinyl Centre Console and centre vent ......anyone
	got one spare?
Message-ID: <012601c38ea5$788bc600$40c1edc1@BOARDMAN>

Evening all

Does anyone have such a thing as an S4 maroon vinyl centre console they do not need - a PO (or several) has drilled multiple holes in the side of mine and I have been looking at it for 2 years and have now decided to take action! The same PO tried to butcher the inside air temp sensor out and broken the plastic but I can get a Jager stick on surround out of the US for this.

Also does anyone have a spare centre lower air vent they do not want? Whilst extracting mine to put in my phone the engineer broke the friction peg on the side so it rocks up and down and will not stay in one fixed position.

Also - other than OPC does anyone know where I can get a pair of doorstays?

As you may have guessed .....2 weeks holiday looming and time at last to get the bits sorted!


Thanks.................Andy
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